10:07 Girls Girls Girls
We are talking Supernatural Season 10 Episode 7, Girls Girls Girls! It the real debut of Rowena and we are so excited. Liz deep dives into the story behind the Affair of the Poison and the "witch" La Voisin, part 1.
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Transcript
This week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast is its own accidental playlist.
Speaker B:Girls, girls, Girls.
Speaker A:Poison.
Speaker B:And mother.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana, and this week we're going to talk about season 10, episode 7, Girls, Girls, Girls.
Speaker A:I said like that on purpose because it's not the right way to say it.
Speaker B:Girls, girls, girls.
Speaker A:Girls.
Speaker B:There's many ways to say girls, girls, girls.
Speaker B:I don't know if there's a.
Speaker B:If there's a right way or a wrong way.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:Girls, girls.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, because there's a Mrs.
Speaker B:Garrett.
Speaker B:There's Motley Crue, B.C.
Speaker A:Boys.
Speaker A:I mean, there's Beastie Boys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All the ways.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So what you been up to?
Speaker B:Writing things for the stupid show.
Speaker B:Sometimes, you know, you just go, I'm gonna look at a topic, and then you don't have a weekend or, like, days after the weekend, and you just go back to 17th century France for a little bit.
Speaker B:And frankly, you know, I think I'd rather be in 17th century France.
Speaker B:I mean, really.
Speaker B:Because if things are bad, and I'll explain why they're bad later, but, you know, at least, like, I know what happens.
Speaker A:A little less mysterious, if you will.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, honestly, that is what I've been doing for the past.
Speaker B:God, I think since we last recorded, I have just been researching and writing this, the lore for today.
Speaker B:So what about you?
Speaker B:Tell me what.
Speaker B:What happens in the real world?
Speaker A:I mean, we have been working on a closet renovation and then watched the superb owl.
Speaker B:Yeah, that happened yesterday.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker A:It did.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker A:It was fine.
Speaker A:I mean, I.
Speaker A:I won't go on a sports segue because no one cares, probably.
Speaker A:But I will say that was very challenging to, like, be someone who is from the part of Texas I am, where we are, Cowboys fans.
Speaker A:And that's what you are.
Speaker A:And so, thus, you must hate the fucking Eagles.
Speaker A:And it's also really fun to talk about how you hate the Eagles because it's a great line from Big Lebowski.
Speaker A:And then it is.
Speaker B:But also, that's just.
Speaker B:That's such nonsense.
Speaker A:Well, that's the rivalry.
Speaker A:And then it's.
Speaker B:But is it.
Speaker A:Yeah, but then.
Speaker A:But then you also.
Speaker A:Because somebody decided that.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, Philly fans are known to be a little wild.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I lived in that town.
Speaker B:It was awful.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then you've got.
Speaker A:You know, nobody likes a dynasty is a problem.
Speaker A:But either way the Chiefs lost.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker A:It was a pretty ugly.
Speaker A:Like, it was, like, embarrassed.
Speaker A:Like, ugly, like, oh, that was rough.
Speaker A:And, like, to watch them lose, like, how bad it was.
Speaker A:But halftime show was fun.
Speaker A:That's what I got.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:There's your sports summary.
Speaker A:Sports report, courtesy of Diana.
Speaker B:Yeah, I will say, when I went to the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art last week.
Speaker B:Week.
Speaker B:I was very upset because the entire floor was devoted to things about sports.
Speaker B:And I was like, you wasted entire, like, floor of my goddamn museum on sports ball.
Speaker B:Like, I'm sure it's just a ploy to get husbands and men in there or something, but, like, it was unnecessary and a waste of art space.
Speaker A:You can't have a convergence of sports and art.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:After the artist disagrees.
Speaker B:Look, you can.
Speaker B:And the exhibit was fine.
Speaker B:I walked through it.
Speaker B:But it's really like, them just picking out random from different years of sports and, like, things they thought were interesting or pretty and, like, really did their.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It was just a thing about sports.
Speaker B:Sports ball.
Speaker B:Sports ball.
Speaker B:I like all different kinds of sports balls.
Speaker B:And so, like, it just seems like.
Speaker A:Drama in Dallas with that right now, too.
Speaker A:So it's a thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I am up on my sports ball drama.
Speaker A:I traded Luca.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought you were talking about a museum.
Speaker B:You're actually talking about sports ball stuff.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Still don't care.
Speaker A:I could talk about.
Speaker A:There's more drama with sports ball here.
Speaker A:Different sports ball.
Speaker A:But yeah, so no, it's a thing.
Speaker A:Oh, well, I don't know.
Speaker B:You have, like.
Speaker B:You have sports museums.
Speaker B:Put your music.
Speaker B:Put your sports stuff in a sports museum and put the art stuff in the art museum museum.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:Or, like, don't take up a whole floor.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:What was there before?
Speaker A:Just kidding.
Speaker B:It was a museum of modern arts.
Speaker B:It was probably a big black space of nothing, and then you walked in and had to pretend like you understood what the it was talking about.
Speaker A:Like, the banana tape to a wall situation.
Speaker B:Pretty much.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker B:Or worse, the nft of the banana tape to the wall.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Ow.
Speaker A:I don't like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways, on that note, I know we've got a lot of lore this week on some characters, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:I've.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I'm making Diana do this late on a school night because I took too long.
Speaker A:It's about bedtime.
Speaker A:My aura ring is telling me to go to bed.
Speaker B:I kind of miss my.
Speaker B:When did you get an aura ring?
Speaker A:Oh, like a week and a half ago.
Speaker A:First time.
Speaker A:I thought I told you.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, you didn't.
Speaker A:I'm trying to not wear.
Speaker A:I'm trying to not wear my Apple watch unless I'm, like, actively working out and then wearing my aura ring instead, because I feel like if I'm really caring about tracking my vitals and I'm tired of my Something buzzing on my wrist and distracting me from life all the time, that.
Speaker A:That was a better approach.
Speaker A:Because the Oura ring doesn't buzz, but it also doesn't track my workouts as well as I would like.
Speaker A:And so I have.
Speaker A:I try to wear my watch still when I actually exercise.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm figuring it out.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:Yeah, Dave's very tickled about the.
Speaker A:About tracking my stress levels, because it does that.
Speaker B:It does track your stress levels.
Speaker B:Well, the thing is, like, I can't, you know, for half of my workouts, I.
Speaker B:I wear.
Speaker B:I wear my watch when I do Pilates.
Speaker B:So I do want credit for.
Speaker B:For working out, but, like, if I'm doing aerial stuff, I obviously can't wear a watch, so I don't get credit for that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:So it's, like, hours of exercise I don't get credit for.
Speaker B:And that's not fair.
Speaker A:Cheating.
Speaker A:Cheated by Is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyhow.
Speaker B:All right, so, girls, girls, girls.
Speaker B:This is season 10, episode 7.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:I did not have time to see when he last was on here, because, as I said, I was writing until five minutes ago.
Speaker B:So y'all go look him up on IMDb.
Speaker B:All right, so we don't get a.
Speaker B:Then I didn't actually check to see if there was one that got taken out, but what we do start off with is a girl running in a jacket that I think I own.
Speaker A:If you don't.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm just gonna say that there's a lot about this episode that I'm both impressed and irritated by when I'm like, oh, there's a lot of both of elements of both of our wardrobes in this.
Speaker A:On the girls.
Speaker A:And I'm just gonna.
Speaker B:What you're saying.
Speaker B:Yeah, we dress like hookers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or the hookers dress like.
Speaker B:Or the hook.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I just thought that was an entertaining component of this episode.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I always find it interesting to like to see what television shows put as what they think a working girl wears.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And apparently they still wear Those boots.
Speaker B:And I don't think they've worn those boots since Pretty Woman, but whatever.
Speaker B:So she's running down the street in a really awesome jacket and boots I still like.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Well, and like over the knee boots are like really popular in pop culture right now, so.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:But anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah, but yeah, as somebody who is five foot tall, over the knee boots are just like not a thing because those become thigh high boots and they're just.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's just not an attractive look at like five foot foot girls.
Speaker B:It's just not.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I do look like a hooker if I wear them, so it's okay.
Speaker B:Yes, you do.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So she's running.
Speaker A:She gets chased.
Speaker A:There's a shadow.
Speaker A:Her heel breaks off, which always sucks.
Speaker A:And then this dude, she's like, oh.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:She's like, please don't hurt me.
Speaker A:And he's like, what message did that send the other girls?
Speaker A:So she stabs him in the eye with her heel, which is good.
Speaker A:Pretty hardcore.
Speaker A:Good job.
Speaker A:I think her name's Tiana.
Speaker A:Is that what they say?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:But he's a demon, so it doesn't really hurt him.
Speaker A:And he breaks her neck.
Speaker B:He breaks her neck.
Speaker B:So then we cut from there to a restaurant.
Speaker B:And also I watched the episode of One and a half Speed again, so I'm already talking fast because that's how everyone on the episode was talking.
Speaker A:Well, Sam and Dean are eating steaks and looking for a case.
Speaker A:Dean picked this.
Speaker A:This location because it was the only place to get a decent steak under 10 dol.
Speaker A:His phone keeps dinging.
Speaker B:Well, between Connecticut and the bunker, it is called Lizardos.
Speaker B:And honestly though, I'm not sure I still would trust a steak under $10.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker A:There's a little steak special.
Speaker B:It's a special.
Speaker A:You know, there's a little steak cafeteria place by me called Charcoal Broiler.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I mean, that's not bad.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's always under $10 though, but either way.
Speaker A:So his phone keeps dinging though.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, it's monster stuff.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, nope.
Speaker A:And grabs it because he has got to find out why Dean's phone is going off.
Speaker A:And it's because Dean has joined a dating website or an app, I guess.
Speaker A:And he is has a username of impala67.
Speaker A:And Sam is going to make fun of him and then dig into his messages with Shailene.
Speaker B:Because she is too hot and available in.
Speaker B:In today's day, Shailene would probably be a bot.
Speaker B:Also, I would like to imagine being the one who was swiping on Tinder and comes across Jensen Ackles picture, which is.
Speaker B:Which is, you know, in the girl swipe where it's usually like left, left, left, left, left, left.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Oh, and then like try to go back and unswipe and like get back to him.
Speaker A:Well, and what's.
Speaker A:What I'm like, I guess I've been.
Speaker A:I never.
Speaker A:The apps, like, where you really did a lot of swiping were getting really popular right when I got out of dating, so I didn't get to swipe much.
Speaker A:But my unders.
Speaker A:But, like, don't.
Speaker A:Isn't it usually like geo, like geographically set?
Speaker A:I mean, and they're on the road.
Speaker B:What you set you.
Speaker B:What you set your preferences as and what you pay.
Speaker B:So like a lot of times, like tender will charge more if you want to be a roamer.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So if you're somebody who travels a lot and you want to be able to like kind of jump in and out.
Speaker B:It used to be free.
Speaker B:It kind of depends on the app.
Speaker B:But you could also say like, my preference is zero to 2,000 miles.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so there are people like, especially on Tinder that like, you can tell when somebody's traveling.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:But you don't always have to do that either way.
Speaker A:Dean's like, whatever.
Speaker A:This can't be.
Speaker A:I don't believe you.
Speaker A:That this is too good to be true.
Speaker A:Even though Sam tries to explain to him what catfishing is.
Speaker A:But then Shailene walks in.
Speaker A:So Dean or Sam observes that they detoured eight hours so Dean could get laid.
Speaker A:That's where my GEO question came in.
Speaker A:Because I'm like, would he.
Speaker A:He'd have to have set that location in advance or just been searching a broader area.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know he could have been searching a broader area.
Speaker B:Maybe they were in this locale once before and he like picked, you know, like there's.
Speaker B:There's many reasons or, you know, he's just a hobag.
Speaker B:So we go from their detour, Dean and Shailene skedaddle and we go to another motel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where Castiel and Hannah have a.
Speaker A:Essentially a murder wall to track angel.
Speaker B:An angel murder board.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And they are still looking for the angels that didn't go back.
Speaker A:But Hannah's like, look, I.
Speaker A:I think we got all the high profile ones.
Speaker A:I think I'M good.
Speaker A:I think I'm good.
Speaker A:But also, while Castiel is starting to talk about a lead on a pastor doing miracles in Tennessee, Hannah's gonna get naked and be like.
Speaker A:And just stand there and talk to him.
Speaker A:Naked.
Speaker A:Just stand there and just Naked.
Speaker A:And just naked.
Speaker A:Because she feels like taking a shower.
Speaker A:She doesn't have to take a shower.
Speaker A:Apparently, angels don't have to bathe, which.
Speaker B:I don't understand, because, like, maybe you don't have the bacteria on you that are causing.
Speaker B:Because that's what causes B.O.
Speaker B:right?
Speaker B:Bacteria.
Speaker B:So maybe you don't.
Speaker B:But wouldn't that bacteria be there anyways?
Speaker B:Because that's not a.
Speaker B:A vessel.
Speaker B:But, I mean.
Speaker B:But just dirt.
Speaker B:I mean, dirt gets on you like.
Speaker A:Like dust.
Speaker A:Dust doesn't stick to you.
Speaker B:I mean, you've got to wash your sheets.
Speaker B:I mean, like, don't you.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm distraught by this as well.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This caught me off guard, and I was like, wait, what?
Speaker A:Like, okay, maybe you don't have B.O.
Speaker A:maybe your body doesn't stink.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I will buy that.
Speaker B:Or maybe they can just go, like, click, and then, like, all their stuff just, like.
Speaker A:Is that, like, a healing thing where you just, like, click and, like.
Speaker A:And all the dust goes.
Speaker A:Do you not have, like.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:Like, skin.
Speaker A:Like, flakes?
Speaker B:Lose, like, a billion skin cells a second or something?
Speaker B:Like, so, like, their skin cells don't flake off.
Speaker A:Off.
Speaker B:Like, that's real weird.
Speaker A:Very confusing.
Speaker A:I need more.
Speaker A:I need more intel here.
Speaker A:But either way, she's like, what's up, Cass?
Speaker A:Are you bothered by me being naked?
Speaker A:And he's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:Totally fine.
Speaker A:Very awkward.
Speaker A:Totally fine.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:And she goes to take her shower.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And we go to another motel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because Dean and Shailene are making out, and she pauses their makeout to discuss her terms.
Speaker A:And that she does not mean her safe word.
Speaker A:She wants her payment terms.
Speaker A:And Dean explains to her that he has a no cash for ass policy.
Speaker A:Which I appreciate.
Speaker B:I appreciate that.
Speaker B:That phrase.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And she's like, that's totally fine.
Speaker A:I don't really want money.
Speaker A:I want your soul.
Speaker B:And she's like, it's really easy.
Speaker B:You just say, yes.
Speaker B:My man comes up, and then it's physical bliss.
Speaker B:And I'm just like, girl, how good are you?
Speaker A:Absolute physical bliss is a bold sales.
Speaker B:That's a.
Speaker B:That's a.
Speaker B:That's a statement.
Speaker B:Because she's just a.
Speaker B:She's just a human being.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, ma'am.
Speaker A:I mean, that's a lot.
Speaker A:Like, I think you might be overselling.
Speaker B:You're cute.
Speaker A:Yeah, not that cute.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, who?
Speaker B:Like, I don't think there's anybody in the leg.
Speaker B:If souls existed.
Speaker A:Absolute physical bliss.
Speaker B:Like, with a human being.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's too risky.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, so we go back to the other hotel.
Speaker A:Nicole, she's like, I love my job.
Speaker A:Means, like, do you?
Speaker A:And so now we cut back.
Speaker A:Yeah, we cut back to the motel, and Hannah's trying to check out while Cass goes and gets the car.
Speaker A:And some dude grabs her wrist after he sees her human id.
Speaker A:After we see her human id and where it says Caroline.
Speaker A:And he calls her Caroline and says he put an alert on her credit card row.
Speaker A:Someone knows who her human meat suit belongs to.
Speaker A:Meat suit.
Speaker A:But anyways, it's a vessel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So back where Dean's at, dude walks into the hotel, the motel room.
Speaker A:Dean is facing the wall, so you can't see his face.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Shailene's sitting there.
Speaker A:And the guy asks the deep.
Speaker A:The demon asks for Dean's signature, and Dean reveals himself.
Speaker A:And then Sam's there, and they've got him in a devil's trap.
Speaker B:Because that's a guitar for the devil's trap noise.
Speaker A:And Shailene has told him everything.
Speaker A:It's forced prostitution.
Speaker A:And the demon's like, that's her word against mine.
Speaker A:It's only the two of us.
Speaker A:I don't know what y'all are talking about.
Speaker A:This isn't some big operation.
Speaker A:She's like, nope.
Speaker A:I know there's a brothel, and I know that you're a demon from hell.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, and I know you're trash from the street.
Speaker A:I was like, damn, that's mean.
Speaker A:And then he just keeps talking.
Speaker A:And Shailene snaps and grabs the angel blade and stabs him.
Speaker A:Which is kind of badass, but also kind of a problem since they lured him there to get info.
Speaker B:Yeah, they were trying to get information, and, oops, he got stabbed.
Speaker A:Luckily, she knows that he has business cards in his pocket for Raul's girls.
Speaker A:Which is weird that.
Speaker A:That's, like, so easy.
Speaker A:When she's like, I have no idea where anything happens.
Speaker A:We must summon him here to find out because apparently there's something.
Speaker A:But, like, oh, we don't really need to do that because I could have just, like, gone to Raul's girl's place.
Speaker B:Well, she didn't have the address that was in his pocket.
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker A:I guess so.
Speaker A:I thought it was a little wonky either way.
Speaker A:We cut to a dude holding up some skimpy lacy lingerie to try to entice this chick to wear it.
Speaker A:And she is not feeling it.
Speaker A:And then Raul enters with an eye patch.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I enjoy Raul's eye patch.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And he, this guy's like, she won't wear the clothes you picked out.
Speaker A:And he's like, do what you gotta do, just don't leave any marks.
Speaker A:So he just like gave this guy permission to beat the out of a chick for not wearing lingerie.
Speaker A:It's gross.
Speaker A:Real gross.
Speaker B:Well, he's gross.
Speaker A:It's all gross.
Speaker A:And then we get the entrance of a petite red headed woman who they give her a hard time about her being in the wrong place.
Speaker A:But no, she's not.
Speaker A:Raul is like, well, we're not hiring and you're a little old unless you're a customer.
Speaker A:And she's like, I'd rather die than do business with filth like you.
Speaker A:So she throws a ball and his instinct, he catches it.
Speaker A:She says a little word and then he starts choking on this black liquid that comes pouring out of his mouth.
Speaker A:It's real gross.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it seems like a real handy dandy weapon.
Speaker B:And yeah, I mean, I think I would prefer that over pepper spray.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:So the other demon smokes out.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's like this, this is bad because Raul is now on his hands and needs puking up this black liquid and obviously dying until he finally collapses.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:And we've got two chicks there now that worked there.
Speaker A:Two girls.
Speaker A:And, and Rowena, who it is, is like, it's not an appetizing process, but lemons always makes me hungry.
Speaker A:Come with me.
Speaker A:And they live with her.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:She has the munchies.
Speaker B:And so then we go back to the motel that Hannah and Cass were at.
Speaker A:Yeah, they go back to the motel room.
Speaker A:So we've got Joe, Hannah, and then Castiel comes in because he is.
Speaker A:Joe is explaining to Caroline, his wife, that she's been gone for a year and he's not going to leave until he knows what the going on.
Speaker A:And so when Cass comes in, Joe's like, oh, wait, y'all are together?
Speaker A:And she's like, yep, yep, that's.
Speaker A:I left you for him.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker B:And when he won't believe it, she just makes out with Cass.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because she can't tell him the real reason.
Speaker A:So she says, so this is her.
Speaker A:It's a pretty steamy makeout.
Speaker A:We have all felt the tension between Hannah and Cass for a while.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So she apologizes to Joe and then her gasiel leave.
Speaker A:And all I can, I'm like, poor Joe.
Speaker A:This motherfucker has been searching for his wife.
Speaker A:But also, if, like, she just left like that, and you find her like that, you know, she left like she didn't want to be found for some reason.
Speaker A:But still, you have to know.
Speaker A:But still, it's sad.
Speaker A:I don't like it.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:I think there's a lot of things there.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So we are all left pondering that.
Speaker B:And we go to Raul's, and Sam.
Speaker A:And Dean are now entering and finding dead Raul.
Speaker A:A dead meat suit from the one that Cox smoked out.
Speaker A:And that's about it.
Speaker A:And so Dean's gonna pour himself a drink because why not?
Speaker A:And they're gonna discuss the smell of demon.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:And then Sam finds a hex ball.
Speaker A:So now they know.
Speaker A:Hex bag.
Speaker A:So now they know it's a witch, which is critical information to know that they're after, like, this, like, weird sex trade thing with demons.
Speaker A:And now there's a witch killing the demons.
Speaker A:Very confusing.
Speaker A:If you're just coming in, you don't really know what's going on.
Speaker A:You're just like, wait, what if you.
Speaker B:Haven'T seen this five times?
Speaker B:So I'm like, what?
Speaker A:How is this confusing?
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker A:I mean, like, Sam and Dean, if they were like, oh, we're researching these prostitutes being forced into it by demons.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Wait, now the demons are being killed by a witch?
Speaker A:What the is happening?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, it seems like a Thursday to me, but.
Speaker B:All right, so now we go to a restaurant where our fancy restaurant.
Speaker B:Fancy restaurant where she is drinking.
Speaker B:Our fancy redhead, Rowena is drinking rose as a buy.
Speaker A:Because of course she is.
Speaker A:And she's got crostini's.
Speaker A:And she's feeding it to.
Speaker A:Trying to feed it to the girls.
Speaker A:But they're absolutely uncomfortable being in here because they are not up to the dress code as the waiter informs them.
Speaker A:See?
Speaker B:But they are.
Speaker B:They are dressed like one.
Speaker B:I see how rich dress all the time.
Speaker B:And they dress like hookers.
Speaker B:And, like, so they're wearing dresses and skirts.
Speaker B:They're not wearing jeans.
Speaker B:Nothing they're wearing is violating the dress code.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was a weird one.
Speaker A:Unless there's a weird crop top rule because there was a period of time where that wasn't, like, where everybody Wears them now, but there was a time where that might not have been.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's still odd.
Speaker A:Very odd.
Speaker A:But she puts a hex bag in his hand, says a word, and then all of a sudden, they're just getting a bunch of food delivered.
Speaker A:Pasta, pina coladas, daiquiris, champagne.
Speaker A:All getting comped.
Speaker A:And we don't know if it's getting comped.
Speaker A:Well, the compliments.
Speaker A:One of the things.
Speaker A:The champagne was compliments.
Speaker A:Yes, but.
Speaker A:And so now she has the attention of Ellen, Bianca.
Speaker A:Because they want to know how she's fucking doing this.
Speaker B:Us.
Speaker A:They want in there.
Speaker A:Caitlyn.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Why I say Bianca?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Caitlyn.
Speaker A:Elle and Caitlyn.
Speaker A:So we're gonna cut to Crowley because.
Speaker A:Of course we are.
Speaker A:We've got to have a little bit of Crowley here, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's pissed off about the bordello because he thinks that sex trade and human trafficking is tacky.
Speaker B:And you're right.
Speaker B:Human trafficking is very tacky.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:He wants the.
Speaker A:So and the guy that's reporting it is our demon that smoked out earlier.
Speaker A:And he's like, what the.
Speaker A:You're just now reporting all this to me?
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean go get back on the road, and they.
Speaker A:While they're driving, Sam is on the Internet researching.
Speaker A:And I got car sick just thinking about doing that.
Speaker B:Well, also, he's.
Speaker B:How are they keeping up this signal?
Speaker B:Like, are they hooked up to a sat link?
Speaker B:Like, that's impressive.
Speaker B:This was before 5G.
Speaker B:Like, so he can't be hooked up to a mobile connection.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like something that's very impressive.
Speaker A:Cars didn't have built in WI fi, like, networks.
Speaker B:Baby certainly does not have WI fi.
Speaker A:So either way, he has discovered a site that talks about witches killing demons.
Speaker A:And there was a spell.
Speaker A:Spell for it, but the spell hasn't been used in 300 years, and it was only done by one witch ever.
Speaker A:And that's the only person that knows it.
Speaker A:Which seems like a really obscure thing to be on this website.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It also is a bind and purge, which sounds a lot like binge and purge, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this one you obsolete spell has been talked about on this webpage.
Speaker A:It's very random.
Speaker A:I was like that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I don't think this tracks, but cool.
Speaker A:So Rowena's telling the girls about three different types of witches according to the Grand Coven.
Speaker A:According to the Grand Coven, yeah.
Speaker A:There's the most common.
Speaker B:I think this is this.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:I think this is the first time we get the concept of the Grand Coven introduced.
Speaker B:And I would just like to point it out because.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:It's awesome.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, because it's the Grand Covenant.
Speaker B:So I just wanted to stress.
Speaker A:Grand Coven.
Speaker A:Grand Coven.
Speaker B:Grand Coven.
Speaker B:All right, so three types of witches.
Speaker A:There's one that's the most common.
Speaker A:They harness the power of a demon.
Speaker A:And she understands why these young ladies might not be into that.
Speaker A:The rarest are naturals, ones that are born with the gift, like her.
Speaker A:And third are students that don't have natural power, but they can learn to do some witchy stuff with a mentor and Grand Council approval.
Speaker B:Grand Kevin.
Speaker A:Not great Kevin.
Speaker B:Yeah, so don't mistake them for the Grand Council.
Speaker B:That's a Buffy thing.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Buffy's coming back.
Speaker B:I know we didn't talk about the beginning.
Speaker B:So, Taylor, for the next time.
Speaker B:So follow up on Buffy coming back.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:So the Grand Coven, she has been thrown out because they do not approve of her ways.
Speaker A:She's too extreme.
Speaker A:And so she's been on the run since then.
Speaker A:And she tells them, though, that you should stick with her and you can do whatever you want whenever you want.
Speaker A:But not good timing.
Speaker A:Their waiter that she had obviously magicked is.
Speaker A:Starts stumbling as he's walking toward them and turns bright red and collapses.
Speaker A:After.
Speaker A:After he drops a bunch of plates.
Speaker A:And the girls are like, wait, did you do that?
Speaker A:And she's like, it's fine.
Speaker A:It'll be covered by workers comp when they leave.
Speaker B:Is that covered by workman's comp?
Speaker A:That's not how that works.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker B:I don't know if I can file that one.
Speaker B:I mean, like, maybe you can go.
Speaker A:To chiropractic for it, but, I mean, he's dead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's how that works for work injuries.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we have now gone to a random dark room, and a demon is tied up to a chair in a devil's trap, and he is calling out the person who's trapped him as a noob.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And just.
Speaker A:Just shit talk and say he's not going to help him.
Speaker A:You're a newbie.
Speaker A:I can tell by how you drew your trap and keeps getting splashed with holy water.
Speaker A:Because it's Cole.
Speaker A:Cole.
Speaker A:Did Cole read.
Speaker A:Cole read a book.
Speaker A:Cole read a book and decided that he is going to trap a demon to try to find out where Dean Winchester is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:Cole's back, and he wants to torture a demon.
Speaker B:And so we are going to talk about one.
Speaker B:How why torture is not effective.
Speaker B:And in demons and witches.
Speaker B:So we're going to talk about lore.
Speaker B:Actually never gonna talk about demons this time.
Speaker B:So we will have a more lore bonus episode that will drop sometime this week.
Speaker B:There are this, like I said, obviously I've been cover look reading about this stuff for days and there's a lot in here and so I've, I've pulled some stuff out, especially stuff that would get us banned from YouTube again and so we'll talk about that later.
Speaker B:So witches.
Speaker B:I was looking for a witch for this episode and while thumbing through the book of forgotten Witches, which I just picked up at Dog Ear Books in San Francisco, I found the story of Catherine Monvor, AKA Lovel ago.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna, by the way, I'm just gonna butcher French names the next 20 minutes.
Speaker B:It'll be fun.
Speaker B:So La Voisin, she is remembered as a French sorceress and poisoner.
Speaker B:If you reach her on the research her on the Internet, take everything you read with a grain of salt.
Speaker B:As you will learn, most of her story came from people being tortured, which contrary to the belief of Cole, is not a great way get accurate information.
Speaker B:And it seems people ran with the darkest and most debased versions of the stories because they were funny or good or, you know, debased.
Speaker B:So my main sources for this are City of Light, City of Poison, Murder, Magic and the First Police Chief of Paris by Holly Tucker.
Speaker B:Strange Revelations, Magic, Poison and sacrilege in Louis XIV's France by Linwood Moynier.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, I supposed her name too.
Speaker B:And the affair of Poisons, Murder, infanticide and Satanism at the core of Louis xiv.
Speaker B:And the rest will be in the show notes.
Speaker B:So yes, I did say Satanism and yes, this is another satanic panic.
Speaker B:Humans don't really change that much over time and there are echoes of the present in the story.
Speaker B:If you find, if you look hard enough and we.
Speaker B:I love a moral panic, especially a satanic panic.
Speaker B:So Louis xiv, if you're not familiar with him, he was an absolute monarch longing for glory.
Speaker B:Paris especially the beginning of his reign though, was far from the idyllic new Rome he felt suited his son king reign and he appointed Gabriel Nicholas de la Reynier as his first lieutenant general of police of Paris and gave him the authority just to go nuts and re establish law and order.
Speaker B:In addition to his wife though, Louis XIV also had many mistresses.
Speaker B: the ways a noble woman in the: Speaker B:And so the court was just filled with intrigue as everybody was maneuvering around office.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So everyone was trying to get in Louis pants or to be friends with a person who was in Louis pants or talk about the person who's, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:It's, you know, what happens in these types of situations.
Speaker B:And also, though, another way to kind of raise your status in the court may be through poisoning people.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker B:And poison was just on everybody's.
Speaker B:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And it was on everyone's minds.
Speaker B:Especially after the arrest and trial of Barry Madeline de Briviers.
Speaker B:Her story will be over on more Lore, but for our sake, right now, what you need to know is Marie Madeline was convicted of murdering her father and her two brothers in order to inherit their state.
Speaker B: ed and then burned in July of: Speaker B:If I felt like talking, I'd ruin them all.
Speaker B:And La Reynier was now very convinced that the entire court was full of poisoners.
Speaker B:And so he was now on a mission to find them and save Louis.
Speaker B:So besides poisoning and fucking, another way to get into the Sun King's court in power was through magic.
Speaker B:And there were plenty of people that were around in Paris that were willing to help you with that.
Speaker B:Many of these people, the fortune tellers, the soothsayers, could be found in the neighborhood of Vienna.
Speaker B:I butchered that one.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But one of the women who lived there, her name was La Voice Voisin.
Speaker B: erine deshays sometime around: Speaker B:And he was not the best breadwinner.
Speaker B:So Catherine had to support her family of six, including her mom and all the lovers who just kind of drifted in and out of her house.
Speaker B:And so she said she was good at chiromancy, which is palm reading.
Speaker B:And so she started doing that and just kind of, you know, helping people out, telling their fortunes, etc.
Speaker B:And she would read fortunes while wearing a cloak of crimson velvet studded with two headed eagles of fine gold, lined with costly fur.
Speaker B:The skirt was of bottle green velvet and was edged with French embroidery.
Speaker B:Her shoes were embroidered with golden two headed eagles.
Speaker B:Very exciting.
Speaker B:I would, I would wear fancy, fancy.
Speaker B:And the Marquis de la Riviera grossly said that she was full of delicious little secrets for the ladies for which the gentleman could be grateful.
Speaker B:She could make A lady's bosom more bountiful or her mouth more diminutive.
Speaker B:And she knew, and she knew just what to do for a nice girl who had gotten herself into trouble.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker B:But however, I still say magic to make your boobs bigger or smaller or make your lips bigger or smaller.
Speaker B:So better than filler or silica.
Speaker B:So Vosin's house on Rue Beauregard had a garden with an alleged hidden chapel with walls in black and an altar behind a black curtain with a white cross.
Speaker B:There are also supposedly black candles made from human fat given to her by one of the royal executioners.
Speaker B:In her house, she told fortunes by card, coffee or magic crystals.
Speaker B:For a price she would look at.
Speaker B:Entrails evoke the dead or give you a clear.
Speaker B:A clear flask of clear liquid guaranteed to get rid of your husbandly problems.
Speaker B:You could also buy beauty products, including fake eyebrows made from mice and moles.
Speaker B:Skin the moles.
Speaker B:Moles.
Speaker B:M O L E S.
Speaker B:You know, the little moles, not the moles on your face.
Speaker B:Like when you.
Speaker B:It is distressing, but also, like, so I don't know how.
Speaker B:Like, so other mice and the moles that she would make the eyebrows from.
Speaker B:Like, was she shaving them?
Speaker B:Was she picking the hair out?
Speaker B:Was she cutting the skin off?
Speaker B:How do you make.
Speaker B:What was she doing?
Speaker B:Maybe the skin would probably be the most, like, efficient anyways, like, cut it.
Speaker A:Out and to glue the whole little thing on.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think you would glue the whole skin, right?
Speaker B:I mean, that, like.
Speaker B:Is that a bull skin?
Speaker B:Oh, is that where bull skin comes from?
Speaker A:No, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't know a lot of.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Today I just figured out where the moleskin came from.
Speaker B:Okay, moving on.
Speaker B:So you could also get skin whitening.
Speaker B:Waters that were made of eggshells, milk, oil of poppy, or the juice of white melons.
Speaker B:Lip balms infused with herbs to make those who kiss your lips fall in love.
Speaker B:Creams and perfumes.
Speaker B:Awful.
Speaker B:Also from the moles.
Speaker B:So definitely nose to tail rooster's combs.
Speaker B:Like, that's only the part of the rooster I saw, but, you know, I don't know why you would want that thing, but you want it.
Speaker B:And also menstrual blood, which is the ingredient, everyone, Love for all things at this time.
Speaker B:Also just a comment on her personality.
Speaker B:She loved to drink.
Speaker B:And I mean, based on what she was making.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She probably had to be drunk a lot of the time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:So he goes to the king, who goes to La Renier, and is like, dude, there's a lot of poisoners.
Speaker B:This woman just.
Speaker B:You said there were.
Speaker B:You need to go find them.
Speaker B:And so they.
Speaker B:They're like, okay, Loretti is like, I'm gonna go find them.
Speaker B:We're going to keep Magdalene and her associates here, just locked up for questioning.
Speaker B:They haven't had a trial yet.
Speaker B:We're just going to keep them here for questioning.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B: oes get a break In January of: Speaker B:So her name is spelled B O, S S E.
Speaker B:It's probably Bose or Bose.
Speaker B:I just want to call her Boss.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:Or the bossy, because the bossy gets drunk and she brags that she helped Madame to get rid of her husband, and if she got three more jobs like that, she could retire.
Speaker B:Appalled at this, Perrin immediately went to the authorities and snitched.
Speaker B:Then the police decided to trap the boss by sending a guard's wife to her with a story that her husband was abusing her and she needed a way out.
Speaker B:So Boss gets her some poison a couple of days later, which then she gets arrested for now, which I don't like entrapment in the first place.
Speaker B:And also, this is really shitty.
Speaker B:Like, you put that woman in a really bad situation.
Speaker B:You had somebody coming to her saying that she was gonna die from her husband beating her if she didn't do something.
Speaker B:She does something to help out, and then you arrest her.
Speaker B:That's shitty.
Speaker B:So she gets arrested after archers around her house a la SWAT, 17th century.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Which I really hope they had, like, Archer.
Speaker B:Like, little.
Speaker A:Little less.
Speaker B:A lot less what?
Speaker B:And so they kick down her door and they find her in bed with her adult children.
Speaker B:But I don't think in a weird way.
Speaker B:I think just kind of in a Willy Wonka kind of way while they're in her house.
Speaker A:Not by Willy Wonka, but you mean like the.
Speaker A:The family.
Speaker B:Yeah, the grandparents.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So in their house, they collect the following evidence.
Speaker B:A pine box with glass flask containing clear liquid, several envelopes with white powder inside, one made out of the death notice of a Marguerite Agune.
Speaker B:I don't sure what the importance of that was.
Speaker B:Packets containing fingernail clippings and six smaller packets containing a bluish green powder daughter.
Speaker B:They also arrest the woman who hosted the dinner party, Madame Vijiro.
Speaker B:They're both taken to a castle turned prison, the Chateau of Visonne.
Speaker B:So while being interrogated, boss says that she met Madame Lagrange at Catherine Voisin's house.
Speaker B:And she had heard that she was in prison these days, because they were like, how do you know her?
Speaker B:And they go, she's in prison.
Speaker B:Everybody knows that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And she said, yeah, I had those powders.
Speaker B:They were for alchemy.
Speaker B:But Voisin, like, she's the one who.
Speaker B:Who said that, right?
Speaker B:They weren't mine.
Speaker B:And so voice name is added to the arrest list.
Speaker B:Now the trial for Magdalene is finally allowed to go.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:But we need to talk about the time in between the sentencing and her execution, because at this time in France, they had two types of prisoner interrogations.
Speaker B:One was the question preparatory, which was the torture and the questioning that happened before the trial, designed to reveal your accomplices and your crimes.
Speaker B:And the other was the question ordener or question extraordinaire.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:Sorry, my French is bad.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:So that is the torture after sentencing.
Speaker B:So that's just rude.
Speaker B:We've already said you're gonna die.
Speaker B:Now that we've already said you're gonna die, we're gonna torture you some more just to make sure you don't have anything else that you left unsaid.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Because I'm totally gonna tell you everything.
Speaker A:And be really honest now.
Speaker A:You already decide you're gonna kill me.
Speaker B:Or maybe they're saying, well, you know, what do you got left to lose?
Speaker B:Like, you know, they'll tell us everything because we're in a killer.
Speaker B:Or maybe think if we give them something that they want, they may change their minds about what that sentence was.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's wild.
Speaker B:And so they had the extraordinaire and the ordinaire, and basically, one was like.
Speaker B:And the other was extra.
Speaker B:And on more lore, I'll go into the.
Speaker B:The torture techniques.
Speaker B:So Lagrange was put to torture, and La Renier was not allowed to tend this because this was still under the jurisdiction of the Parliament.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He was kind of sad about.
Speaker B:About this.
Speaker B:And she was made to put on Broda Kins, which are the torture boots.
Speaker B:And the King afterwards read through her interrogation transcripts and said, we have enough to go on.
Speaker B:We don't need to torture anymore.
Speaker B:And that made Renee sad because he wanted to torture her, but they said no.
Speaker B:So they ordered her execution and her accomplices, and they were going to be executed without a spectacle.
Speaker B:Just make it quiet.
Speaker B:And Larania, you've got to attend this to show that you support the king King's decision.
Speaker B:Then after that, Levos voice is arrested.
Speaker B:And she was arrested as she was coming out of mass at Notre Dame, so she still went to church, you know.
Speaker B:And when they searched her house, they found it was.
Speaker B:There wasn't a lot of crime or evidence left in there.
Speaker B:Like it was pretty cleared out.
Speaker B:They did find some documents and they were mostly just recipes and astrological charts.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:They start questioning her and she's like, I know this visual.
Speaker B:I met her once, but I don't really know her.
Speaker B:I let this boss lady stay with me when she got out of prison, but that was years ago.
Speaker B:We're not that close.
Speaker B:Then she decided then to just start passing all the blame for the things she was accused of onto the boss bitch.
Speaker B:Including dealing with a widow who wanted to marry a court musician, but her alive husband was getting in the way.
Speaker B:And also she tells details, details, right.
Speaker B:And then she also accused the boss.
Speaker A:Of course, she wanted to leave her husband for court musician for a court.
Speaker B:For a rock star at the time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So she also accused boss of infusing Madame Fairy's husband shirt with poison.
Speaker B:Okay, so the poison shirt, it's actually a really good idea.
Speaker B:So you get the man's shirt, you pass the shirt to a trusted laundress.
Speaker B:And so she, her job is to wash it with an arsenic based soap.
Speaker B:In a pinch, if you can't get the shirt, you can get the shoes.
Speaker B:So after the man puts on the shirt, a rash will appear, followed by blisters, nausea, vomiting, and finally death.
Speaker B:For the husband whose skin resisted the poison, a second shirt could be ordered nine or 10 days later.
Speaker B:So if you put this on the bottom of the shirt that gets tucked into Monsieur's pants, those boils and all that stuff look like syphilis.
Speaker B:So then it looks like your husband died of syphilis.
Speaker B:And then the wife also gets all the sympathy of her friends and family for her husband.
Speaker B:Husband being a shitty husband?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:This is what happens when you don't do your own laundry.
Speaker B:Dudes, I'm telling you, do wash your own shirts.
Speaker B:This won't be a problem.
Speaker A:So arsenic dick is a thing.
Speaker B:You don't want to get arsenic dick, we'll do your own laundry so after this, you know, interrogation goes on.
Speaker B:LA Reyniere gets 30 more names to ask to his list.
Speaker B:One of the persons that gets arrested next is Lesage.
Speaker B:I'm not sure if that's how you say his name, but.
Speaker B:So he was an alchemist and a practitioner of dark rituals and a former lover of both Boss and Voice.
Speaker B:So he was doing them both.
Speaker B:Twelve years earlier, he had been sentenced to the galleys for life for tricking people into believing he communicated with the devil.
Speaker B:He was, however, freed five years after his sentencing after a lady of quality, who declined to be meant to be named, petitioned the King for his release.
Speaker B:So he got around after he was released, he was still.
Speaker B:He was living with Wisden and her husband until the arrest.
Speaker B:So her and her husband.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not her husband.
Speaker B:Well, he could have been.
Speaker A:It's France, why not?
Speaker B:So when he is arrested, he is happy to give Ronier all the detailed accounts of voices, abortions, traff, the abortions she gave, not the ones she had had her traffic and poisons and her customers.
Speaker B:So a lot of things you read about boys and the first thing you'll see on there is that she's an abortionist and probably.
Speaker B:But also I think there's a lot of other things that goes to her crimes.
Speaker B:So the judges then.
Speaker B:So we're still in the Parliament court, right?
Speaker B:And the judges in the Parliament agree that Boss, Vigero and Fairy, this other person, were guilty of murder respectively.
Speaker B:Boss and Vigero were to be burned alive after they received the question Question.
Speaker B:Vision Row died during the questioning from a head injury.
Speaker B:After that, the torturer recommended the the boots for Boss because she was pretty frail and they thought anything else would kill her.
Speaker B:And they want them to live to the execution, Right?
Speaker B:They don't want to blow their.
Speaker B:Their wad on the question.
Speaker B:So going through the boots, she confessed to all the charges and to Pleasant poisoning, poisoning the husbands of Poyan, Phil, Bear, Drew and Lafort.
Speaker B:And then she is burned alive.
Speaker B:Also, I'd like to let you know that I've been going poison, poison, like a lot over the past few days.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So anyways, because of the risk of the scandal to the nobility, and because the parliament was just so busy, Louis XIV established the Chambray al Dente, which is a special tribunal that was charged with rooting out the poisoners in any treason.
Speaker B:So there, because it's a nobility and the people are starting like, basically he doesn't want this to go into the parliament, which is a public trial and things.
Speaker B:If we do miss, under the special investigation, I can kind of control what goes out to the public, right, but who's being accused, what's being said, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:They also, the place that they were having it like this chamber was like super dark and had all these candles on the wall.
Speaker B:And it was very like medieval torture.
Speaker B:So they finally arrest the first two noble women in April, and the jailer is at this visum, which is the former castle.
Speaker B:That's nowhere prison.
Speaker B:They're instructed to make them not live in filth like all the other the.
Speaker B:Like the other prisoners were like, no, we can't have them lie in this filthy mattress.
Speaker B:You get a clean bag, candles and warm meals.
Speaker B:One of those women did beat her head against the wall.
Speaker B:And they also got a doctor called it because apparently they didn't have doctors there either.
Speaker B:So over the next few months, dozens come up to face trial for their part in the affair of the poisons.
Speaker B:One of them was the couple Catherine Trianon and Madame Daudet, who lived together as man and wife.
Speaker B:Trianon was Voisin's best friend, and she was described as a wanton hermaphrodite, having learning more.
Speaker B:More learning in the tip of her finger than others acquired in a lifetime.
Speaker B:And when her house was searched, 25 manuscript volumes on occult sciences were found.
Speaker B:I am very annoyed because the book that is talked about in is in a box in my garage and I had to like try and find it digitized online.
Speaker B:So her.
Speaker B:Her girlfriend Dode was accused of poisoning her husband and having a charms business.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, after she had been prisoned for several months, and while La Renier and his friends were not convinced that Dode was meddling in poison and they were probably gonna let her go, she killed herself with a knife that she hid in her dress, which is very sad.
Speaker B:So interrogations go on.
Speaker B:Voice in implicates the Countess of Soison, one of Louise first mistresses.
Speaker B:Right, so this is the oscillations are going up in who's being accused used and Olympa had.
Speaker B:So she been abandoned in favor of her younger sister.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:So she was Louie's mistress and then Louis threw over for her sister and then for another lady.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And she was going to voice on to get her palm read and to see if they love the king, might love her again.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But before she could tell her fortune, Olympus spat out that she wanted to see Luis de la Valuer, the.
Speaker B:The new mistress, dead for having stolen the king from her.
Speaker B:And if that was not possible, she would Take her vengeance even farther up, which everyone thought was a bitchy thing that she would say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Voice swore that she met with her only that one time and was just to read the palm.
Speaker B:But that her sister was one of Lesage's regular clients.
Speaker B:And unlike her, her sister Marie Ann shared no past romantic history with the King.
Speaker B:She had a lot sisters and harbored no interest in gaining his infections instead affections.
Speaker B:Instead, she just wanted to kill her husband.
Speaker B:So Marie Anne was also known as the Duchess of Bullion, which is great because it's like a soup.
Speaker B:So the Duchess of Bouillon was married, and she often, though, still went after the wrong men.
Speaker B:She flirted with her husband's brother, a cardinal, and then her family exiled her to a convent.
Speaker B:It then she went after her nephew, the Duke of Vindome, who was five years younger than her, which I think is a moot point because he's her nephew.
Speaker A:Yeah, like five years.
Speaker B:I think the age thing is kind of like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, granted, at this time, they were all marrying their cousins and, you know, so the King.
Speaker A:Her picker is broken, though.
Speaker B:Yeah, her picker is broken.
Speaker B:So the King gives the tribunal permission to question the Duchess and the Countess.
Speaker B:This though he's.
Speaker B:Because he was fond of them, he gave their husbands the head up that the arrests were coming.
Speaker B:So in January, the Duchess decides that she's just going to turn herself in.
Speaker B:And so the Duchess of Bouillon shows up arm in arm with her husband and her nephew.
Speaker B:She's just like you.
Speaker B:Like, I'll just show you.
Speaker A:So watch this.
Speaker B:Which is, I think, honestly, like, politicians, hear me out.
Speaker B:You get accused of something, own it, right?
Speaker B:The public is going to appreciate that a lot more than you just lying about it, right?
Speaker B:So she shows up with her nephew and her husband.
Speaker B:And before like, the judges could even ask her any questions, she just starts talking, right?
Speaker B:And so she's just like, nope, nope.
Speaker B:I just went to that area of Paris because I heard they could do magic tricks.
Speaker B:Tricks.
Speaker B:And I wanted to see them.
Speaker B:And Lasage joined them there and he showed me his magic tricks.
Speaker B:And then she goes through all her stuff, and then when she's done, she just looks at the judges and being like, tell me I'm lying.
Speaker B:And then the men were all like, we don't know what to do.
Speaker B:We're very uncomfortable.
Speaker B:And so they're like, what about, like, paying your Lesage to kill your husband?
Speaker B:And so she just blaze that off.
Speaker B:And finally one of la Renier looks at her and goes, yoda, addresses her directly and asking her, like, what about, like, if she'd ever seen evil or she had met Satan.
Speaker B:And she said, monsieur, I see him right now.
Speaker B:He is ugly and old and disguised as a judge.
Speaker A:Burn.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker B:So the judges dismiss her, and when she leaves the courtroom, she says, truly, I never would have believed.
Speaker B:Believe such smart men could ask such dumb questions.
Speaker A:Damn good for her.
Speaker B:So her sister, the Countess of Soison, has fled after learning of her impending arrest while she was at a gambling table at her house.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So gambling was illegal, but people did it anyways, especially if you were rich.
Speaker B:So she and her friend, the Marquese did, I guess it her last name.
Speaker B:They shooed their guests away, and they're like, we gotta go.
Speaker B:Things are happening.
Speaker B:And they filled suitcases with.
Speaker B:With clothes and money and jewels, and they ran for the border with her kids and household staff, which I'm assuming was probably giant entourage escaping away into the country.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Where'd she go?
Speaker A:So not.
Speaker A:Not subtle.
Speaker A:Not subtle.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she writes back after she's gone, and she is like, look, Lavoie has it in for me because I wouldn't let his son marry my daughter.
Speaker B:But I'll come back if you can promise I won't go to prison.
Speaker B:Prison.
Speaker B:And the judges were like, we can't promise that.
Speaker B:So she kind of.
Speaker B:She goes around.
Speaker B:She ends up moving to Brussels.
Speaker B:It is rumored that Luvo arranged for dozens of black cats to be released outside of a church while she was in mass to make everybody in Brussels think she was a witch.
Speaker B:But all of Brussels were like, we love you.
Speaker B:We love cats.
Speaker B:Although I think Brussels, Belgium, might be the place where they have the thing.
Speaker B:They throw the cats off the.
Speaker B:The thing.
Speaker B:But anyhow.
Speaker B:So foil.
Speaker B:But also, where did you get 100 black cats?
Speaker B:And can someone do that for me?
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Just for.
Speaker B:Because I think that'd be fun.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So January comes, and voices daughter Marie Margaret Marguerite is arrested.
Speaker B:And then the next month, 11 months after she was arrested, her mom, voice son is.
Speaker B:Appears before the tribunal.
Speaker B:She is condemned to death by fire.
Speaker B:One of the judges, though, wanted to pierce her tongue and have her hand cut off.
Speaker B:But the judges were like, the public will get too riled up.
Speaker B:We can't have that.
Speaker B:So we're just going to set her on fire.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she admits the extreme, extreme body modification lost out.
Speaker A:This time.
Speaker B:It did.
Speaker B:So this is where tongue piercing comes from, Apparently.
Speaker B:So she does admit that she went to Saint Germain twice to plead for the release of her Alchemist.
Speaker B:Lover, blisses.
Speaker B:But she said she never brought powders there or to Versailles.
Speaker B:She admitted that she and LA performed a lot of abortions, but that.
Speaker B:Well, she said that La Pair performed a lot of abortions, but she didn't.
Speaker B:And they weren't at her house.
Speaker B:So the doctor, whatever, and the surgeon come in to witness her torture.
Speaker B:And although she has said she had nothing else to say, right?
Speaker B:But they're like, we're gonna torture you anyways, just in case you have anything else.
Speaker B:So she screams.
Speaker B:They do the boots to her, right?
Speaker B:And by the third.
Speaker B:So with the boots, I was going to tell you this, like, so basically, they put you in a boot, either made of wood or metal, and then they hammer, like, pieces of in there.
Speaker B:So we met all our wood, depending on what the boot is.
Speaker B:So they're like, going through this.
Speaker B:So the torture continues on.
Speaker B:By the third strike, she has cried, have pity on me.
Speaker B:I have told the truth.
Speaker B:I did not bring powders to Saint Germain.
Speaker B:I know nothing else about Madame Suison and Madame Allouez.
Speaker B:So they go through this, a hammer into the boots eight times, and they don't learn anything else.
Speaker B:But then a couple of days later, she is like, for the sake of my conscience, I must tell you, everyone who came to me seeking death debauchery was always at the heart of it all.
Speaker B:So she may have just been trying to postpone her execution, or maybe, like, she just really, like, had stuff on her soul that she wanted to get off, right?
Speaker B:And everyone says that she was confessing this whole time because they kept getting her drunk.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But now she goes back and she was like, yep, I cheated La Pair and her daughter out of the money for the abortions.
Speaker B:I gave my neighbor poison because she fell in love with a woodworker and need to get rid of her husband.
Speaker B:And she kind of goes on and on, but finally they're just like, we're done.
Speaker B:So at noon, they take her to a chapel inside the Bastille and force her to kneel.
Speaker B:They reread her death sentence.
Speaker B:A priest offered her a chance for a final confession, but she declined and said she wanted to talk to the notary to make sure that it was on record that she never gave Laferral any vital vials and she had nothing to do with his death.
Speaker B:So basically, she goes to her death saying, I did some stuff, but I didn't do any of this poisoning.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Like, none of this stuff was me, but go ahead and kill me, right?
Speaker B:So she gets called out, she gets Taken to make the.
Speaker B:This thing at Notre Dame where they make the people who are getting executed do a final like, say their amends and then pay the church because, oh, you're gonna die now.
Speaker B:I gotta give money to the church or whatever.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And though the executioner shoved her, she refused to kneel or to give any sign of contrition.
Speaker B:And she was taken out at the place degree degree and chained, seated to a large pile of logs as she spat and swore.
Speaker B:And she kept trying to duck from the hay that they were putting on her.
Speaker B:And they kept like, they had to do it like six or seven times because she was can't get me, can't get me, can't get me.
Speaker B:And finally, though, she caught fire and died.
Speaker B:So her daughter was interrogated by Laurunier.
Speaker B:She does not know her mom is dead.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And she's telling them though, about all these childhood memories that are coming back to her.
Speaker B:She remembers incense and odd chanting happening in the night.
Speaker B:And she remembers seeing a priest holding a cross as he held a communion host while her mom and a guy in a redwood chanted.
Speaker B:And then the priest weighs a razor wax figure over his head, put it in a box, and later that night she went and got it and her father grabbed it and threw it in the fire and she figured out it was a wax figure and it was supposed to be the cake.
Speaker B:So what is happening is all a very satanic panic.
Speaker B:Memories are coming back to someone as they're being interrogated and they're having memories of satanic masses as a child.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:When Marie Marguerite learned of her mother's death, she was even more eager to talk talk.
Speaker B:She explained that her mom's lover, Romani, and her mother had actually been employed to kill Mademoiselle de Fontanger, who is Louis mistress.
Speaker B:They were going to sell her a pair of poison gloves and had this note that was laced with poison that was for the king.
Speaker B:Her mother boasted that nobody would be suspicious that they timed the deaths well.
Speaker B:Everyone would assume that the king's mistress had died of a broken heart or vice versa.
Speaker B:And the woman who hired her was Montespa, the king's headmistress, because remember I said she had more mistresses.
Speaker B:And so this whole like, affair to poison ends up being about whether or not this lady wants to spawn.
Speaker B:Montespan is the one like if basically she was trying to get the king killed, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or if any of the other nobles are.
Speaker B:But really it's just all about Louis mistresses.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:So now we're finally like, that is escalated to the top.
Speaker B:So now the king, they're coming after the king, etc.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So voicen's daughter said that Montespan hired her mom to do disgusting things.
Speaker B:And she overheard her mom telling her best friend Trigonon all the things that she was doing, right?
Speaker B:All the things that she assigned for.
Speaker B:And La Ranier is like, oh, finally, like I'm getting.
Speaker B:He was looking for like noble people and poisoners, sinners.
Speaker B:Like he was looking for this, right?
Speaker B:So he's just latching on to this.
Speaker B:And she also tells him that her mother and the midwife Lapel had a side business selling powders and potions made from the placentas, intestines and mangled limbs of aborted and abducted children.
Speaker B:She told him her mother had given her a newborn in a basket and then taken her daughter to a room where she and the priest Gimbo had their master.
Speaker B:She saw a naked woman on a mattress.
Speaker B:The baby was given to Gilbert, who slit its throat and let its blood flow into a chalice.
Speaker B:Because he had to make a phone call.
Speaker B:No, he just put the blood into a chalice.
Speaker B:Then he blessed the blood and dipped a host in it.
Speaker B:And while he did that, he said the king's name and Montespence.
Speaker B:So based on this and other testimony, Renee was like, she, we've got to interview like Montespan, we gotta arrest her.
Speaker B:And the king was like the.
Speaker B:You will.
Speaker B:But so he, the king is just like, we're done, we are done.
Speaker B:Like this has gone too high up, right?
Speaker B:And so he suspends the, the tribunal.
Speaker B:And however, he's not friends with Montespan at this point.
Speaker B:He has that, that young mistress that had the gloves that they were gonna poison, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:So he's just.
Speaker B:But he's ignoring her.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know if she poisoned me.
Speaker B:I don't think she did.
Speaker B:We're just not gonna to talk to her, right?
Speaker B:And the rest of the court also just kind of like starts ignoring her.
Speaker B:And so after it suspended, Louis demanded that La Renier continue his investigations but not share anything with any of the actual tribunal.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We just want to keep all this stuff on the down low.
Speaker B:Nobody can know that you're still looking at this.
Speaker B:I told you to stop, but you didn't stop, right?
Speaker B:So Renee then against, like after Louis, like, we got to shut all this down and we can't have a tribunal anymore.
Speaker B:He writes to Louisvoir and he is like, yo, there's 150 people in these prison cells.
Speaker B:They haven't had a trial, they don't know what the fuck is going on.
Speaker B:Like we need to get this thing back up.
Speaker B:And the King was like, I don't care, I'm going on, I'm going traveling.
Speaker B:So the King just like fucks off to northern France and leaves all these people sitting in in various prison cells for, for months.
Speaker B:So La Renier then suggests that Louvre and Colbert, Louis, trusted advisors, review all this evidence.
Speaker B:He gives it all in, like basically says take this off of me.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So Colbert reviews all the evidence and he is like, look, all these people that are saying all the that's happened against nobility are all morally corrupt, right?
Speaker B:They're all fortune tellers, they're all things.
Speaker B:We can't trust them.
Speaker B:Also I'm going to have my lawyer look at this because we have 150 people that are in jail.
Speaker B:We need to do something.
Speaker B:So he was like, look, you can just like say like we're going to spam this and exile everybody without any further trial.
Speaker B:We can disband it and send the cases back to parliament, but that's going to take a while and they're going to start everything all over again.
Speaker B:We can determine which inmates were the worst, sentence them to life in prison, or we can just go re establish a tribunal, do this really quickly and not have any more post questions so we don't get any more people being accused, right?
Speaker B:So they go back and forth.
Speaker B:They didn't.
Speaker B:They finally decided that they're going to do this swift option, right?
Speaker B:So the court was instructed to only try those cases that could be disposed of easily without jeopardizing public safety and working against redacted records.
Speaker B:The judges like really not knowing everything was going on.
Speaker B:They end up so trying 88 of the 194 people who'd been arrested.
Speaker B:They did take a few prisoners who were charged with minor crimes and said that they were going to be executed so the public could learn lesson, whatever that lesson was, right?
Speaker B:So the King disbanded the tribunal and ordered the prisons emptied.
Speaker B:Of the 106 inmates remaining, Larenier and Louisville determined that 61 were benign enough to be released and exiled for life from France.
Speaker B:The remaining 35, including Lazage Weberg and Marie Marguerite Boisson's daughter, were said to be too dangerous to be let go.
Speaker B:They were ordered to various castles and work camps across the country.
Speaker B:Although Trianon killed herself before that could happen to her.
Speaker B:Voice and daughter was taken with 11 other women, including Boss's daughter, to an abandoned abbey on Belle Isle sur Mer, a remote island off the coast of Brittany.
Speaker B:Writing to the governor of the island, Louvois insisted that no one should ever know their name.
Speaker B:Names.
Speaker B:The women should be spared no mercy.
Speaker B:His Majesty orders you to treat them very severely.
Speaker B:So on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:On this barren, windswept island, they fought to survive on scraps of bread and water and in thin sackcloths.
Speaker B:And they had no firewood or blankets.
Speaker B:And two of the women quickly succumbed.
Speaker B:As for the others.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Including Marie, Marguerite, their fate remains a mystery.
Speaker B:Lesage, Bberg and Romani spent their final days imprisoned in the Citadel of Besancon near the Swiss border.
Speaker B:Shackled.
Speaker B:Shackled hand and foot, with chains barely long enough to let them lie uncomfortably on the cold floor.
Speaker B:Their confinement was as harsh as it was isolating.
Speaker B:Louvois wrote to the governor of the citadel.
Speaker B:These men have said crazy things about Madame de Montespan that are without foundation.
Speaker B:Threaten them with the cruelest punishment if they dare make.
Speaker B:Make the smallest noise.
Speaker B:Their fate was grim.
Speaker B:Reuben, for one, succumbed to the harsh conditions four years later.
Speaker B:But the rest is unknown.
Speaker B: In July: Speaker B:We have employed all appropriate means possible to stop these attestable abominations in their track.
Speaker B:This experience showed us how dangerous it is to accept the smallest transgression regarding such crimes and how difficult it is to pull out their roots.
Speaker B:It ordered anyone engaging in fortune telling or magic to leave the kingdom immediately.
Speaker B:For those who did not heed this warning, the king promised that their punishment would be death.
Speaker B:As for poisoners, it did not matter whether their crime killed their victim.
Speaker B:Even in the absence of definitive evidence, all would be poisoners would receive the death penalty.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The king also.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:The king also outlawed the sale of any ingredient that could be used in poisonous mixtures, as well as the sale of any poisonous insects or reptiles.
Speaker B:Because they like to use toads.
Speaker B:Oh, obviously formal approval would be required for formulations such as arsenic or mercury, cooler chloride, necessary ingredients for certain trades, such as goldsmiths and jewelers.
Speaker B:A royal register would track all sales.
Speaker B:So this was like the beginning of kind of like the French fda.
Speaker B:I don't know what department does that here, but you know, like whoever, like.
Speaker A:Tracks like sounds right.
Speaker B:If you say like I would like to get some sulfuric acid, you know, whoever tracks that.
Speaker B: totals for this between April: Speaker B:They questioned 442 people, put 218 of them in prison, executed 34 of them, and sentenced another 28 to life in prison or the galleys.
Speaker A:Fun.
Speaker A:They sound like fun people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it just ain't.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To sum it up in a nutshell, I mean, this is like the fortune, like, so all the witchy people, right.
Speaker B:All the fortune tellers and people who read palms and, like, it wasn't tarot yet, but.
Speaker B:But who were reading cards and doing stuff.
Speaker B:They're basically all rounded up, right.
Speaker B:And most of them were either thrown out of the country or executed.
Speaker B:And the nobles, who were the ones who were going to them.
Speaker B:Some of the nobles were killed.
Speaker B:Some of them were.
Speaker B:And most of them were just fine because they were rich.
Speaker A:Crazy.
Speaker A:Crazy.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And now you can see why I'm so, like.
Speaker B:Isn't that fascinating, though?
Speaker B:Like, there's.
Speaker B:There's so much.
Speaker B:So much more to go into, and it's just.
Speaker B:I mean, there's so many things we could talk about.
Speaker B:So we'll talk about that more and more and more.
Speaker B:We'll keep going back to that.
Speaker B:So y'all sit on that for a while and then go.
Speaker B:Go listen to the rest of that when it gets released.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So now that I've bummed everybody out to the gas station.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because Cass has got to fill up his.
Speaker A:His sweet, sweet ride.
Speaker A:And he's like, you know, Hannah, I think we need to talk.
Speaker A:And she's like, yeah, I, I, she's like, I didn't really like this.
Speaker A:This situation, you know, I, I don't.
Speaker A:Joe didn't want to let me go or whatever Caroline is.
Speaker A:Didn't want to let her go, and I didn't want to hurt him.
Speaker A:So, you know, I.
Speaker A:But I didn't feel like erasing his memory was the right thing to do here, which is really good, because then you get, like, that eternal sunshine of a spotless mind, like, equivalency, and that's really creepy.
Speaker A:So now I'm just sad.
Speaker A:Now I'm just bummed because I know that I up this dude's life by being an angel and taking his person away.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, you did the right thing.
Speaker A:You know, he's hurt, but at least he has a reason now to make makes, and he can make sense of his loss.
Speaker A:He's like, I took my vessel from a family twice.
Speaker A:He was married with a kid.
Speaker A:It was difficult, necessary, because it's a mission first.
Speaker A:Then he turns around, and Hannah is not there.
Speaker A:So anyway, so we cut to our fancy restaurant where one of the other waiters is explaining to Dean that his did not expect to see his coworker stroke out and turn bright red.
Speaker B:Who does?
Speaker A:Dean's like.
Speaker A:Like his brain was boiling.
Speaker A:And he's like, yes, exactly.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:And it was weird a day already because there was two hookers with this lady here earlier too.
Speaker A:That's odd.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, huh, fun.
Speaker A:So he leaves to go talk to Sam.
Speaker A:And they're like, look, book sounds like witch with two of Raul's girls.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And Sam's also found reports of a couple of bodies being stabbed into the ceiling at some fancy ass hotels lately.
Speaker A:But they didn't die from the stabbing.
Speaker A:They died from their brains boiling.
Speaker A:So they're gonna go start looking at fancy ass hotels and try to find where.
Speaker A:Where this might.
Speaker A:Where this.
Speaker A:This witch and Raul's girls might be kicking it.
Speaker A:And their assumption is that she's just real rich.
Speaker A:A rich witch.
Speaker B:Rich witch.
Speaker A:So we cut back to Hannah.
Speaker A:Hannah's in the park, standing on a bridge over a stream.
Speaker A:And it's actually a pretty little scene there.
Speaker A:And she's thinking, and Castiel joins her and she tells him that she is not going to go with him.
Speaker A:She is done.
Speaker A:She is upset about how many humans are hurt in the process of what they're doing in the pursuit of their mission.
Speaker A:Because their original mission was to take care of humans and now they are harming them.
Speaker A:Maybe we should refocus again.
Speaker A:So being on earth now, she's felt these things, like passions and hungers toward Castiel.
Speaker A:But it was nothing like what she felt when her husband Joe was there.
Speaker A:Which is really sweet.
Speaker A:That means like through the.
Speaker A:Like underneath the angelness.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Her vessel was still like coming through.
Speaker A:That's kind of interesting.
Speaker A:Anyways, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's some deep love, right?
Speaker B:And she says that, you know, Carolyn is the one that was inside her and screaming for her life back and.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, this is like, hey, well, we're here to like.
Speaker B:Our mission is to take care of humans and.
Speaker B:Well, what about these humans that we're like inside of?
Speaker A:Yeah, we're hurting them.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This doesn't belong.
Speaker A:These feelings aren't for us.
Speaker A:That doesn't belong to us.
Speaker A:We need to give them back.
Speaker A:And so she kisses Cass on the cheek, says goodbye, and she angels the out.
Speaker B:Vapes out.
Speaker B:That's what I said.
Speaker B:Vapes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:Blue.
Speaker A:Vape out.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Demons smoke out Angels vape out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then it's Carolyn.
Speaker A:And she collapses against Castiel and knows who he is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:So she remembers.
Speaker B:She's such a good actress.
Speaker B:I mean, like, I really like it when you can, like the differentiation between the two characters.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, so obvious.
Speaker B:And it was like, such a split moment.
Speaker B:It was so good.
Speaker A:No, it is good.
Speaker A:So then we go to the fancy ass hotel.
Speaker A:Well, Rowena and our two of Raul's girls are kicking it in this hotel room.
Speaker A:And there's a knock at the door.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, it's probably the hotel manager bitching because I haven't paid.
Speaker A:And so she goes to answer it.
Speaker A:And while she's doing that, though, she's like, by the way, girls, this will be good practice for you.
Speaker A:Just do read.
Speaker A:What on the.
Speaker A:Read what I gave you on the cards I gave you.
Speaker A:And I was like, I would, but I don't raise Spanish.
Speaker A:But it's not Spanish, It's Latin.
Speaker A:Sorry, that's not how she says it.
Speaker A:I just felt like I'd go for a vocal fry.
Speaker B:It works.
Speaker B:It works.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And she's like, don't worry about it.
Speaker A:There's the phonetics on the back.
Speaker A:And she doesn't know what phonetics are anyway.
Speaker B:No, she doesn't.
Speaker A:Poor Elle.
Speaker A:Anyways, Rowena gets to the door and she looks at the peephole, and it's her.
Speaker A:Like, the guy looks like a bellhop, which would not be.
Speaker A:Who was coming to tell her about the bill.
Speaker A:But that's okay.
Speaker A:She opens the door and he did.
Speaker A:Demons.
Speaker A:Demons.
Speaker A:And they're like, by the way, we're taking you to our boss.
Speaker A:They bind and gag her and are dragging her, and they notify Raul's girls that Operation Skank has been terminated.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:I mean, granted, I run Operation Skank all the time.
Speaker B:This Valentine's Day, I'm planning on running Operation Skank to the max.
Speaker B:All right, so sadly, Operation Skank Bring Back Skank has been terminated.
Speaker B:And they are gonna get killed and thrown out in the dumpsters.
Speaker B:But then.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:Is this two episodes in a row where they've said skank it is.
Speaker A:Okay, I love.
Speaker A:So just noted.
Speaker A:Either way, of course, Sam and Dean are there and they get in a fight.
Speaker A:They stab the demons because they're there for Rowena.
Speaker A:And Elle's like, oh, you should, like, totally do a spell to get away.
Speaker A:And so she does.
Speaker A:She puts a hex on L and L screams and turns into.
Speaker A:I guess it's a guard dog spell.
Speaker A:Is what they say.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not a tat dog for someone.
Speaker B:Just like, she's a fighting machine.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so Sam is fighting her off.
Speaker B:Marina and Caitlyn escape to the alley.
Speaker A:And try to follow her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Dean's trying to go after them.
Speaker B:And Rowena tells Caitlyn that Elle's probably gonna die.
Speaker B:But you're strong.
Speaker B:And Caitlyn's like, the.
Speaker B:I am.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:And she punches her in the face.
Speaker A:And runs because, yeah, this Dean is there.
Speaker A:And he is.
Speaker A:Got a gun on Rowena.
Speaker A:Because he's like, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:I'm stopping you.
Speaker A:And then she's like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:He's like, your luck's run out.
Speaker A:And she's like, not true.
Speaker A:Because Cole decided this is the perfect moment to show Cole.
Speaker A:And he's got a gun on Dean, of course.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, really, dude?
Speaker A:Anyway, so Rowena has.
Speaker A:Gets.
Speaker A:Gets to run off.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's the summary here.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, look, Cole, I.
Speaker A:I'm sorry about what happened last time.
Speaker A:It was a dick move.
Speaker A:I wasn't myself.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker A:And Cole's like, you're not a person at all.
Speaker A:I've learned about your kind.
Speaker A:I'm gonna throw holy water all over you.
Speaker A:And it does nothing.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Because he's not even anymore.
Speaker A:And then he's like, but were you a demon when you murdered my father?
Speaker B:Right over the.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And so they're gonna fight.
Speaker A:In the meantime, Sam has locked Elle in the closet and telling about it.
Speaker A:You can fight this spell, but she can't.
Speaker B:She doesn't even know what phonetics is.
Speaker A:No, she's not doing well.
Speaker A:And while Dean and Cole have a big fight in the alley.
Speaker A:And they lose their guns, and they're fighting, and it's fine.
Speaker A:And then finally, Sam is about to yell, oh, stop banging on the door.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But she stops banging on the door.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Because she's dead.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Outside, Dean throws Cole through a windshield, ends up pulling the gun on Cole.
Speaker B:Cole tells Dean to kill me.
Speaker B:And Dean is like, her.
Speaker B:We're gonna talk.
Speaker B:And if you don't like what you hear after that, you're gonna.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Then you can kill me, but shut the up and listen.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And he's like, look, I hunt monsters.
Speaker A:Your dad was a monster.
Speaker A:I remember the date.
Speaker A:I remember the city.
Speaker A:I remember this case.
Speaker A:So don't act like I don't fucking care.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:No, it was a bunch of victims with their livers were Getting ripped out and eaten by your dad.
Speaker A:So I followed him to his house.
Speaker A:And he was gonna kill you or your mom.
Speaker A:I don't know what kind of monster he was.
Speaker A:Never seen one like it or sense, which is lame.
Speaker A:Cop out storyline piece.
Speaker A:Dislike.
Speaker B:I don't like this.
Speaker B:Like, why didn't they just like make him.
Speaker A:Make him a monster that we know?
Speaker B:Like he's a random liver eating monster.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:No one's ever seen or heard of before.
Speaker A:Again, like one of a kind.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:Doesn't have need to be a thing or cult.
Speaker A:That's dumb.
Speaker A:So dumb.
Speaker A:Liver eating the liver eater.
Speaker A:Your daddy was a liver eater.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:I don't know what the.
Speaker A:It's weird either way.
Speaker B:Your daddy was a liver eater.
Speaker A:So he's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I stopped him anyways.
Speaker A:And Cole's like.
Speaker A:I remember his human voice begging you to stop.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, that.
Speaker A:Monsters do that too.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:That's normal.
Speaker A:He was already gone.
Speaker A:But that's not right either because we don't even know what kind of monster he was.
Speaker A:How do you know he was gone?
Speaker A:Was he one of those monsters where it's like Kate, where like she's like not really a monster, she's fighting it.
Speaker A:But then like sometimes you get an urge and it's tough?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, this is also.
Speaker B:It's Dean Winchester.
Speaker B:Like how much did you like investigate into whether or not he was actually like a monster who like needed help?
Speaker B:Like you?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So Sam shows up.
Speaker A:Sam shows up and puts points a gun at Cole.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, you gotta put it down.
Speaker A:And Cole's like, how am I supposed to even believe you?
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This is ridiculous.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, I know.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker B:The story.
Speaker A:The story's been keeping you going and it's blinded you.
Speaker A:But you know, I've got the same thing.
Speaker A:But people who love me keep pulling me back.
Speaker A:But the truth is, I know I'm past saving.
Speaker B:And this gets real fucking dark.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:Because then he's like, I know how my story ends.
Speaker A:It ends at the end of a blade or barrel.
Speaker A:Again, this depends if it's today or.
Speaker B:Not that gonna be that gun.
Speaker B:And you're like, damn, Dean.
Speaker B:Like you oh.
Speaker B:Like you need some antidepressants.
Speaker B:So Sam, then this jumps in on this and he's like, oh, you got a family?
Speaker A:Yeah, I heard you on the phone with them.
Speaker A:They need you.
Speaker A:They need you.
Speaker A:Please go back to your family and don't do this.
Speaker A:And Cole starts crying and gives Dean his gun.
Speaker B:So we got from that to what is apparently Caroline in Joe's house.
Speaker A:Yeah, because she goes up to this house.
Speaker A:She hasn't been there in a year.
Speaker A:She's told this man that she left him for another man.
Speaker A:And she knocks on the door.
Speaker B:And he also drove all night to get to her in the hotel.
Speaker B:So how the did she get back there?
Speaker A:That was really fast.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker A:But he just, like, opens the door and they go in, hug, and everything's fine.
Speaker A:It's really weird.
Speaker A:But he didn't move well.
Speaker A:And that sparks and that sparks.
Speaker A:Castiel is now like, oh, you know, I thought I cleared everything.
Speaker B:Also has WI fi.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, of course it does.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:That might have already had it.
Speaker B:Angel WI fi.
Speaker B:Because does the angel.
Speaker B:Can angels get better?
Speaker B:WI fi?
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Well, he's like, I'm gonna look up my vessel.
Speaker A:Because I thought everything was.
Speaker A:Was smooth sailing there.
Speaker A:But maybe I'm wrong to this.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, I pulled him from his family twice.
Speaker B:It's gotta be fine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What you doing?
Speaker A:Definitely some posts about him being a missing person.
Speaker B:So we get from that and then go back to our hotel alley where we see Cole's Jeep driving off.
Speaker A:Yeah, Cole's leaving.
Speaker A:Raina got away.
Speaker A:Sam's like, dean is.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I heard that.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that all.
Speaker A:Is that all?
Speaker A:Kind of.
Speaker A:Is that real?
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker B:Would you like to.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, oh, I was just telling Cole what he needed to hear.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Blows it off.
Speaker A:We gotta go.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:And they walk away.
Speaker A:So now we're gonna.
Speaker A:Now we're gonna go back to hell.
Speaker A:Yeah, we got Crowley and his demon buddy that was reporting back to him.
Speaker A:And yeah, they're like, yeah, we definitely.
Speaker A:Our alpha team got Winchester, but we had our beta team, and they were on the perimeter, and they got her.
Speaker A:So she didn't get away.
Speaker A:We've been torturing her already, but we haven't finished her off.
Speaker A:You're up if you want to.
Speaker A:And so Carly's like, yeah, yeah, bye.
Speaker A:And he approaches a beaten up Rowena.
Speaker B:Yeah, they pull the crap out of her.
Speaker B:Why'd they do that?
Speaker A:She's dangling from, like, chained up from the ceiling and just starts.
Speaker A:She just starts talking.
Speaker B:Yeah, she is egging him on and just insulting him.
Speaker A:It's brutal.
Speaker B:And he's just staring at her, just kind of dumbfounded because he's only got.
Speaker A:One word to say.
Speaker A:Mother.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker B:You just missed the Perfect dance I got for Mother.
Speaker A:Mother.
Speaker B:The end.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Do you want to tell us about some skanks?
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker B:It's the casting couch.
Speaker B:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:Tell us about some skanks.
Speaker A:I've got a brief.
Speaker A:Some.
Speaker A:A brief skank update.
Speaker A:So first off, we've got.
Speaker A:I'll start with Raul was played by Michael.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Antonakis, and he's been in episodes of Fringe, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, iZombie, Travelers, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina a couple times.
Speaker A:He also is the voice.
Speaker A:Voice of the mechanic in the Ninja Go animated series.
Speaker A:Caitlyn was played by Chelsea Hobbs.
Speaker A:She's been in episodes of the L Word, csi, CSI Miami, Lucifer, and then was on a TV show called Unreal.
Speaker A:I think it's on Netflix now.
Speaker A:And she was Carolyn in Lord Lords of Dogtown movie.
Speaker A:She's also done a lot of Hallmark Christmas movies.
Speaker A:Elle was played by Kirsten Comerford, and she's been in episodes of Beauty and the Beast and Lucifer.
Speaker A:Shailene was played by Alicia Rotaru.
Speaker A:She's been in episodes of Hellcats multiple times.
Speaker A:Fringe, iZombie, Travelers.
Speaker A:She was Ingrid and Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Ty Ann and Arrow, which is a reoccurring character about.
Speaker A:Or Tiana.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:In Arrow.
Speaker A:It's about like over a dozen times.
Speaker A:Jane in the movie Buddy Games and has done a lot of video game voice work.
Speaker A:Joe.
Speaker A:Carolyn's husband, Joe Johnson was played by Steve Belford.
Speaker A:He's been episodes of Vampire Diaries and Good Witch.
Speaker A:He was also Jesse in Degrassi the Next Generation as a regular character and has done a lot of Christmas TV movies, like Hallmark movies as well.
Speaker A:And our demon, Gerald was played by Viv Lecock.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of Psych.
Speaker A:Yeah, his name is Viv Lecock.
Speaker A:Awesome episodes of Psych.
Speaker A:Hellcats, Fringe, Almost Human, Arrow, X Files I, Zombie, Batwoman.
Speaker A:He was Kinsley and Freddy versus Jason.
Speaker A:He was a pal in Are you there?
Speaker A:Are we there yet?
Speaker A: He's an officer in the movie: Speaker A:He's a dad in Hot Tub Time Machine, and he was a bartender in Step Up.
Speaker A:All in.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker A:Step Up.
Speaker A:I know if I see one of those, I'm like, I gotta put that in.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I think, like, it was a good episode.
Speaker A:Introduction to a new major character.
Speaker A:I played.
Speaker A:Like, I was surprised, but I'm around enough of the fandom that I obviously kind of.
Speaker B:She's having a baby with Chuck.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, I mean, she Had.
Speaker B:A baby with Chuck.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I've been around enough of that to, like, know what we're getting into with this character.
Speaker A:A little bit.
Speaker A:A little bit.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know about the character itself.
Speaker A:I just know, like, where it fits in, I guess, in that regard.
Speaker A:So I was not shocked that it was Crowley's mom, but I think it was a good introduction to her as a witchy character.
Speaker A:It was a fun character, even though it's not, like, nice fun.
Speaker A:It was fun, and I do.
Speaker A:We were talking before we started recording about the uselessness of Cole.
Speaker A:And I don't mean this against this actor, and that is not just.
Speaker A:I want to be very clear about that.
Speaker B:Sorry that you got cast as Bonobo.
Speaker A:Like, what is the point?
Speaker A:We don't understand the point of Cole.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:I mean, especially carrying into the season.
Speaker A:Like, if it's gonna be, like, a season arc, that'd be one thing.
Speaker A:But we're on episode seven for the season.
Speaker A:Like, it's like, it was kind.
Speaker A:It feels more like an afterthought.
Speaker A:Like, kind of forced in this episode to wrap that storyline up.
Speaker A:That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker A:I don't know that it drives that much.
Speaker A:It was not used.
Speaker B:But why was it there in the first place?
Speaker B:Was it to show, like, Dean being a demon?
Speaker B:To show, like, Dean, like, the storyline and revenge?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I think they were.
Speaker A:I think they were trying to further drive the story of Sam chasing Dean to rescue him and this guy chasing Dean to kill him.
Speaker A:I think that's what it was.
Speaker B:Was.
Speaker A:That's my opinion.
Speaker B:But that lasted, like, half an episode.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And then they had to wrap it up because they never did.
Speaker B:Like, I just see, like, this, right?
Speaker B:I like this picturing the writers room board.
Speaker B:I just want to know where Cole is.
Speaker B:Where is the sticky note for Cole?
Speaker B:Why did the call.
Speaker B:Why did the cold sticky note show.
Speaker A:Up on that board?
Speaker B:And why did you pull it through?
Speaker B:And then, like, in seven was like, nope, get rid of the sticky note.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:I feel like there is, like, probably another purpose for Cole that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:That got.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, also.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, we're in episode seven.
Speaker B:I still kind of feel like we're.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This season is just bizarre, right?
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:It doesn't feel like there's not a lot of cohesion in this season.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we're not.
Speaker B:We don't have an overarching Big Bad, which is fine, but we also don't have monsters of the week.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So what are we doing?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We don't have, like, a mission.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, you know where we're at.
Speaker B:Dean's got the marker Kane, but he's no longer a demon, so we don't know if he's okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So we just, like, nobody.
Speaker B:No idea.
Speaker B:We just know that he is ready to die and need some antidepressants.
Speaker A:And Cass on some, like, weird mission by himself now because Hannah was like, deuces.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So is now Cass gonna go check look for all these angels himself, or.
Speaker A:Is he just gonna go back to heaven because he realizes Hannah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I guess we have to watch the rest of the episodes to figure it out.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:On that note, we've talked way too long.
Speaker B:Cheers shirt.
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Speaker A:When I die and they lay me to rest I'm gonna go to the place I.
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