11:22 We Happy Few
We Happy Few are here for Season 11, Episode 22. We are battling towards the end of the season. Liz tells the story of Cécile Fatiman, a Vodou priestess and Haitian revolutionary.
Research Links
- Ezili Ge Rouge – OCCULT WORLD
- Encyclopedia Of African Religion : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- Ezili Dantor - Wikipedia
- Vodou and History on JSTOR
- 1 PERVERTING HAITI: The Transnational Imperialist Discourse of the Black Republic as the Premodern Land of “Voodoo/Vaudoux” The Transnational Imperialist Discourse of the Black Republic as the Premodern Land of “Voodoo/Vaudoux” from The Sexual Politics of Empire: Postcolonial Homophobia in Haiti on JSTOR
- 4 Performing Diaspora: The Science of Speaking for Haiti The Science of Speaking for Haiti from Undisciplined: Science, Ethnography, and Personhood in the Americas, 1830-1940 on JSTOR
- Mythologizing the Lwa Demanbre: A Thought Experiment in the Nineteenth-Century History of Vodou A Thought Experiment in the Nineteenth-Century History of Vodou on JSTOR
- Restoring Haitian Women's Voices and Verbalizing Sexual Trauma in "Breath, Eyes, Memory" on JSTOR
- Colonial Hell and Female Slave Resistance in Saint-Domingue on JSTOR
- In Her Own Image: Slave Women and the Re-imagining of the Polish Black Madonna as Ezili Dantò, the Fierce Female Lwa of Haitian Vodou
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we ask, if no one's in control of hell, will you be befouled and forsooken, and the end of the season is nigh?
Speaker B:Let's do.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And it's slightly chilly in Texas.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:I've got a hoodie on.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just.
Speaker B:I realized that I have, like, hoodies and jackets stacked up on my chair behind me from, like, discarding them, like, because this is a room where my closet is.
Speaker B:But they don't.
Speaker B:They don't make it to.
Speaker B:They make it to the chair, and then they go in the closet.
Speaker B:So I just realized there's, like, three jackets behind me, and I'm sitting on one.
Speaker A:You're surrounded by jackets.
Speaker B:Welcome to fall.
Speaker B:Well, I don't have any coats, so I'm having to layer.
Speaker A:Well, you know, layering is fun.
Speaker A:It's more convenient.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was gonna go buy a coat today, but then my battery died, so I didn't buy a coat.
Speaker B:And I'm about to go to a place where I. I probably need a coat.
Speaker B:For real?
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:You can buy one there.
Speaker B:I could.
Speaker B:I could, but then you.
Speaker B:Then I lose some of my holiday shopping, and I'm not a shock.
Speaker B:Haley.
Speaker B:Sur the many people of this audience.
Speaker B:I'm not really into that type of shopping.
Speaker B:Like, you know, if the store was full of, like, skulls and.
Speaker B:And skeletons and.
Speaker B:And a jacket, like, that would be great.
Speaker B:But that doesn't usually happen.
Speaker B:Usually it's.
Speaker B:You get one or the other.
Speaker A:You're not going traipsing through the mall, going jacket shopping.
Speaker B:Well, I'm going to New York City, and they don't really have malls in New York City.
Speaker B:No, no, that's.
Speaker B:I mean, you've got Fifth Avenue, which is kind of.
Speaker B:That's the closest thing, and there's.
Speaker B:And the places that I'd want to go to all close down.
Speaker B:So sad.
Speaker B:New York ain't what it used to be.
Speaker B:But we'll.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:Otherwise, I'll just be paying a lot of money.
Speaker B:It's like, I will pay the price of a coat in Uber fees.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I'm just like, I'm gonna be inside for half of it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:So, you know, it just loves to, like, hair around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's basically what I'm up to right now, is contemplating my.
Speaker B:If my Car is dying.
Speaker B:And when I can wear these coats or these jackets.
Speaker B:What about you?
Speaker A:I had a very busy week.
Speaker A:I got to go to a new restaurant in Dallas.
Speaker A:New to me, not new and not new to the city, but restaurant called Sister, which is delicious.
Speaker A:Saw.
Speaker A:I got to go see Murder by Death on their last tour.
Speaker A:And I went and saw off with their heads and the copyrights and.
Speaker A:And then just then I tried.
Speaker A:Then I rested.
Speaker A:So that was during the week.
Speaker A:I went out three week nights.
Speaker A:It was a lot.
Speaker A:So now.
Speaker A:Now in the weekend has been house projects.
Speaker A:But I will tell you that a power washer is as satisfying as I expected it to be.
Speaker A:It also gets boring after a while and your hand gets tired.
Speaker A:So trade off.
Speaker B:I can see.
Speaker A:I can see both those things, things I learned.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's what I got.
Speaker A:I'm excited that we are about to hit the culmination of the season.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:We're climbing up to the end of season 11 and with some, I. I would say some fairly stellar, like, juicy episodes.
Speaker B:And so we're gonna jump into this one, which is we Happy Few, which is based off the title of some movie.
Speaker B:Blah, blah.
Speaker B:It's not important today.
Speaker B:It was directed by John Badham and written by Robert Behrens.
Speaker B:And we really do like jump into like the last episode.
Speaker B:And it's a surprise.
Speaker B:It's a kind of almost a surprising cut.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But we're starting with this like, almost like we're on the set of Dr. Phil, right?
Speaker B:And Cassifer and God are having a moment.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:A big moment.
Speaker A:And Lucifer just wants to know where God was.
Speaker A:Castifer wants to know where God has been.
Speaker A:Where's Chuck been?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Chuck's like, oh, but how do you feel?
Speaker A:I don't want to answer your questions.
Speaker A:I healed you.
Speaker A:And I appreciate Casper's response that the cosmic band aid that he gave him, he didn't ask for and isn't enough.
Speaker A:So screw you.
Speaker A:But Sam and Dean are going to insert themselves into this for better, for worse in this conversation.
Speaker A:And we get Chuck kind of saying, like, look, I know I've been kind of missing, but.
Speaker A:And Casper is like, yeah, but as soon as the apes called.
Speaker A:And yeah, that's Dean doesn't really appreciate being called an ape.
Speaker A:He gets upset.
Speaker A:So Lucifer, Cassifer, sorry, snaps.
Speaker A:And they all flinch.
Speaker A:But nothing happens because he can't hurt Dean because Chuck has protected him.
Speaker A:Hahaha.
Speaker A:As a safeguard.
Speaker A:But this just pisses off cast for more.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, Kumbaya.
Speaker A:Let's focus on our common enemy.
Speaker A:And Casper's like, well, I'm Team Amaro now.
Speaker A:So all y', all, basically.
Speaker B:And he just, basically is going into if the.
Speaker B:If Lucifer was a teenager.
Speaker B:And he bounces to not his room, but to Sam's room and starts blaring rock music really loudly while ignoring everyone who's pounding out the door.
Speaker B:And then we switch to from there to what I'm going to assume is the asylum.
Speaker B:It's wherever Crowley is hiding out, I think it is.
Speaker A:It looks like the same room, right?
Speaker A:And then they kind of allude that it was the room that he was cleaning the floor with his tongue earlier.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he is giving a corporate presentation with.
Speaker A:With pie graphs and everything to the demons to make Hell great again.
Speaker A:And gets laughed at.
Speaker A:And he's like, look, we just gotta recruit the numbers.
Speaker A:But this demon, one demon is just gonna call him the out.
Speaker A:He's like, you always do this, and you promise that we're gon Hell to its glory, but all you've done has been Rowena's, then Dean Winchester's, then Amara's, and then Lucifer's.
Speaker A:Ouch.
Speaker A:They take Crowley down a notch A little bit.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But they're like, also the world's ending, and Hell's gonna end, too, so why would we bother?
Speaker A:Which is also, like, a little defeatist attitude there, because they know that Crowley does not have a plan to defeat the Darkness.
Speaker A:So they walk out.
Speaker A:I have a question about this.
Speaker A:Does that mean, like, there's just, like, no one running the demons now?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, we don't really know what's going on with Hell.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:There's not really anybody in charge.
Speaker B:So who knows, like, what happens when, like, are things.
Speaker B:Are people still being tortured?
Speaker B:Our soul still going there?
Speaker B:You know, how is what happens to people who made their deals?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's a lot of what happens when nobody's in control of Hell.
Speaker B:That would be a fantastic movie.
Speaker B:And Netflix, we coin it.
Speaker B:Okay, so, yeah, Poor man's copyright there.
Speaker B:All right, so those.
Speaker B:So the mean.
Speaker B:The mean demons just wanted to see Crowley dance one more time, and they were just.
Speaker B:What demons were mean.
Speaker B:That's shocking.
Speaker B:And we go from there back to the bunker where Chuck God is.
Speaker B:Is making pancakes.
Speaker A:And Sam and Dean are like, you just need to talk to Cassifer.
Speaker A:Like, really?
Speaker A:And he's like, well, I can't give him what he wants.
Speaker A:He wants what everyone wants.
Speaker A:An apology.
Speaker A:And I just can't Give it.
Speaker B:So everyone wants from God.
Speaker B:I don't think that's what everyone wants from God.
Speaker B:I think that's maybe what your child wants from God.
Speaker B:You know, like, just saying.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't need God to tell me he's sorry.
Speaker B:If that existed, like, I would.
Speaker B:I would need other things from God.
Speaker B:Not ready to say anything.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I feel like maybe this is, like, symbolic of some of Chuck's guilt about things as opposed to necessarily what people are wanting and needing from him.
Speaker B:Well, no, I. I just.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker A:So anyways, and he's like, we just need to let him cool off.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, the end is freaking nigh.
Speaker A:And I like that line.
Speaker A:So I wrote it down.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:You can put that.
Speaker A:Yeah, you could.
Speaker B:You could.
Speaker B:If you got into graffiti, that would be really nice to put somewhere, like on an underpass.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It would freak me out if I saw it.
Speaker B:Or maybe you want to write a country song.
Speaker B:I don't know either way.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:We go from there to Grand Isle, Louisiana, which I am 76% sure I have been to, and.
Speaker B:And we see what's in Grand Isle, Louisiana.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Swamp witch.
Speaker B:Swamp witch.
Speaker B:And we're pretty.
Speaker B:You know, I am pretty excited to see that.
Speaker B:So, of course, I feel like the need to tell you about another swamp witch.
Speaker B:And I. I'm just giving her that title.
Speaker B:She actually wasn't a.
Speaker B:Probably would have called herself a witch.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It's just a thing I say.
Speaker B:So come at me if you want to, but whatever this is of lore.
Speaker B:And note, as always, this is a conglomeration of articles based on iffy oral histories and suspicious written narratives.
Speaker B:I feel like I need to come up with a standard clause to attach to these discussions.
Speaker B:Like, unless we have actual video of a historical event, and even then, history is based on human accounts, which are all mixed with bias and people are notoriously bad eyewitnesses.
Speaker B:I do my best to read with a critical eye, but if any of these facts are wrong, I didn't make them up.
Speaker B:Someone else did.
Speaker B:Also, this is going to start really, really dark, and I'm going to give you all the trigger warnings.
Speaker B:But I think to understand how awesome this woman was, you need to understand what she triumphed.
Speaker B:So we're going to talk about this awesome woman named Cecile.
Speaker B:Fatima.
Speaker B:And Cecile was a voodoo princess and priestess.
Speaker B:Not princess.
Speaker B:Well, technically, she kind of was a princess.
Speaker B:I'll get to that.
Speaker B:So she was a Vodou priestess and Haitian Revolutionary born in the 18th century to a mother who was from Africa, probably Congolese, but we're not sure.
Speaker B:And what is most said is her father was a Corsican prince.
Speaker B:So the son of Theodore Stefan von Neuhof.
Speaker B:And unfortunately, that's about as much as that's a guess as, you know, as a history.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:We do know she had two brothers that she was separated from when she and her mother were sold into slavery in San Domingue.
Speaker B:Is that I'm saying that right?
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It was what Haiti used to be.
Speaker B:So I. I listen.
Speaker B:I swear, guys, I had like the pronunciation thing coming up for this, but okay, so that place was really, really horrific to be a slave in.
Speaker B:Not that I hate when people say that.
Speaker B:It' like, yes, being a slave is always horrible.
Speaker B:This was not.
Speaker B:The atrocities there have been documented to be extremely, extremely inhumane conditions.
Speaker B:People, the enslaved are subjected to torture, rape and disease, all resulting in short life expectancies.
Speaker B:They the code noir defined chattel slavery, forbidding the enslaved from speaking their own language, their own names, and practicing their own religion.
Speaker B:Which is comes important if you are a Vodou priestess.
Speaker B:And I could not find much about her early years, but it should be obvious that being an enslaved black woman there sucked.
Speaker B:The condo prescribed mutilation and whippings as punishments.
Speaker B:Rape as well as other tortures punish women.
Speaker B:Women were also barred from roles such as watchmen or sugar boilers, which could have elevated their social standing.
Speaker B: s that she was coming from in: Speaker B:And it is unclear or not she was free during this time.
Speaker B:So like I said, you.
Speaker B:They were forbidden from practicing their own religion.
Speaker B:So just taking part in a Vodou ritual was an act of resistance.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:They risked whippings, brandings, and even death.
Speaker B:Vodou offered identity and community and scared people around who would want to go after them.
Speaker B:Someone this guy named Colonel I. I want to say his name is Maleficent, but it's Malant.
Speaker B: He was quoted in: Speaker B:If I hadn't been tracking black men, I would have enjoyed having her killed.
Speaker B:Not without having taken extensive information about her plans.
Speaker B:I questioned several negro women in particular.
Speaker B:They couldn't imagine that we were able to pass by all the obstacles that the great woman had set for us.
Speaker B:This woman had given them self confidence and so that is one of the things I think that are really scary about these women and these priestesses and people just practicing their religion is it gives people confidence against their own oppressors.
Speaker B:So some refreshers and summaries about Vodou.
Speaker B:We have talked about it on this podcast before, but we're at the end of season 11 and that was a long time ago.
Speaker B:So just some things to refresh our memory.
Speaker B:So Vodou is a religious practice originating in Haiti, derived mainly from west and Central African practices and mixed with Catholicism and Freemasonry.
Speaker B:I am summing that up in a very short sentence, but that's a gist.
Speaker B:You can dive in more if you would like to find out more things.
Speaker B:It is distinct from, yet related to West African Vodon and Louisiana voodoo.
Speaker B:There is no institutional authority, and in Haitian culture, one can be both a Roman Catholic and a protection practitioner of Vodou.
Speaker B:So you could do both.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's also why some people do have these.
Speaker B:Some people don't call Vodou religion and say it's more of a spiritual practice because of that.
Speaker B:But I think you can help both, I think.
Speaker A:Would you, would you say that it's kind of like where you see in some Latin cultures like a Santeria, where it's a, A, A different, you know, there's other influences, but also may ascribe to like a Catholicism.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's very similar.
Speaker B:And you know, often, you know, Santeria often also has its roots.
Speaker B:Roots in African practices.
Speaker B:So very, very much similar.
Speaker B:So within the belief system, there's a belief in one divine creator and.
Speaker B:But there isn't a belief in an adversary like Satan.
Speaker B:Talk about the ceremony that we'll get to.
Speaker B:A lot of evangelists, evangelicals have said like it was a Satanic.
Speaker B:What's.
Speaker B:I should know this word.
Speaker B:A pact with Satan.
Speaker B:Yeah, like I should know about making packs with Satan.
Speaker B:But so basically a lot of, you know, so a lot of super hardcore Christians will say they made a pact with Satan in the woods.
Speaker B:And then we.
Speaker B:You can come back and say they don't believe in Satan.
Speaker B:So clearly they did not.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:So besides the divine creator, though, there is the loa, which are number in the thousands.
Speaker B:And loas are multifaceted spirits and they serve as a go between the divine and the practitioner.
Speaker B:Each loa is unique and they have their own distinct personalities and with them comes like their own drum and dance pattern.
Speaker B:So each loa has like, you get like specific ways to, to work with them.
Speaker B:But I just think it's really cool that it's.
Speaker B:A lot of.
Speaker B:It's done through rhythm and through music, Right.
Speaker B:Each of the lower also, like, because they are that branch between the divine and this world.
Speaker B:They all of them have, like, different worldly things they like, right.
Speaker B:Like, some of them really like rum, and some of them really like cigarettes.
Speaker B:Some of them really like bubblegum.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And so you like all of them when you could like all of it, right?
Speaker B:But if you want to form a relationship with them, right?
Speaker B:Because if you want to work with them, you're building these relationships, influencing them by giving them treats and goodies.
Speaker B:And sometimes sacrifices are things that can help, you know, make them more on your side, Right.
Speaker B:And they can also be petty and particularly.
Speaker B:And annoyed if, like, say, what if they.
Speaker B:You gave them Papa Bubba bubblegum.
Speaker B:But they really like spearmint bubblegum.
Speaker B:That could really piss them off, right?
Speaker B:So you've got to make sure that, you know, like, what their things are.
Speaker B:I'm sounding glib about it, but it's kind of like.
Speaker B:It's knowing, like, what your friends like and.
Speaker B:And giving your friends what they really like, the thoughtful gifts and not just what I picked up at the gas station, right.
Speaker B:So when a person builds that relationship, a lot of.
Speaker B:In Western terms, we would say they were possessed.
Speaker B:And you'll see that a lot in Vodou ceremonies.
Speaker B:But really, they call it being mounted, like being ridden like a horse.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:So what ends up happening then is that the practitioner becomes mounted.
Speaker B:There's a word for this, Showa who gets mounted by their loa, and they can't.
Speaker B:Once you become, like.
Speaker B:Once that happens, your personality will go away.
Speaker B:And you will take on the personality of the loa.
Speaker B:And because you have that disconnect, your consciousness is kind of not present.
Speaker B:And so nobody will.
Speaker B:You won't remember what happened.
Speaker B:So you will go into this trance, into this phase, and take on the personality, all the attributes of this.
Speaker B:But you were not going to remember what happened.
Speaker B:The loa are divided into different nations which stem from how the enslaved Africans were divided into nations usually based of the port they arrive, regardless of actual ethnic or regional identities.
Speaker B:I think that's just a really interesting parallel.
Speaker B:And they're also.
Speaker B:They're grouped into the hierarchy of.
Speaker B:It kind of like separates that into.
Speaker B:Depending on which practice you have there.
Speaker B:There can be two, or there could be five, and there could be, you know, every.
Speaker B:Everybody.
Speaker B:Everybody has a different practice, right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But we're talking about two main groupings.
Speaker B:They're the rata loa, which are seen as the cool loa, not like fonzie cool, like temperature cool.
Speaker B:And they've got sweeter temperature.
Speaker B:And the petroloa are the hot loa, and they're a little more prone to violence and force.
Speaker B:And they're often the choice that you would do, like, you want to interact with them if you need to get stuff done fast.
Speaker B: o nanchang were introduced in: Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:You know that drum beat, right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then they have specific drum beats associated with them.
Speaker B:So all the ones associated with the petro nation are all striated and syncopated.
Speaker B:So for cecile's story, we need to know about the loa ezili.
Speaker B:Now, the loa ezeli was born on haitian soil and manifests in multiple forms.
Speaker B:So there are.
Speaker B:There is ezeli freda ezili, dano, and azili garouche.
Speaker B:Azili freda is the goddess of love and the embodiment of all things, traditionally femin, like flowers and perfume.
Speaker B:Azili danto is the queen of the petro nation, and she's considered to be a hot spirit, a quality known as cho, and as such, is associated with jealousy and passion, but also wrath and vindictiveness.
Speaker B:She has said to oscillate between what gender she's attracted to, and she will mount any and particularly, she can cause the person that she mounts to become regenered.
Speaker B:So say if you're like a dude, you would then be acting like her as a female, Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So the last name danto means of the wronged, and she is the mother of the oppressed and the abused, protector of women and children, victims of sexual assault and lesbians, and she is revered for her healing abilities.
Speaker B:She cannot speak, as her tongue was cut out, perhaps by other revolutionaries who feared she would snitch.
Speaker B:Those who, as ILI danto mounts, thus lose the ability to talk, and they will only essentially say syllables, and the body will contract and the f clenched so tightly that the fingernails are going to draw blood out of your hands, and the sounds are coming out of a very rigid lot.
Speaker B:Rigid lock jaw.
Speaker B:This, I think, is freaking fascinating.
Speaker B:As a fellow polish pollock woman, you probably will, too.
Speaker B:Azila danto is today most commonly associated with the black madonna of sesto hova, Hypothesized to be derived from copies of the icon brought to haiti by polish soldiers sent by napoleon bonaparte.
Speaker B: They were sent over in the: Speaker B:And that was after the night we're going to talk about.
Speaker B:But whenever anybody talks about this particular loa.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:That particular.
Speaker B:And I think you can.
Speaker B:Can you picture that.
Speaker B:That icon that.
Speaker B:That portrait send it to you?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's the Black Madonna.
Speaker B:And she's got two scratches on the side of her head.
Speaker A:It is the.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the national symbol of.
Speaker B:It's one of the national icons of Poland.
Speaker B:Our Lady Assessowa is a robo Catholic church in Houston.
Speaker B:It is also a town in Texas or a.
Speaker B:My Polish family is buried, but apparently Pollock got sent over to Haiti during the revolution and some of them stayed and joined it.
Speaker B:And that ended up getting integrated into this Vodou, which is just how.
Speaker B:Like this.
Speaker B:You know, this.
Speaker B:One of the reasons why I. I get so fascinated with this religion or practice is because it is this conglomeration of so many different pieces, but they make sense, right?
Speaker B:So in the story of that.
Speaker B:The painting.
Speaker B:Because no one really knows where that painting came.
Speaker B: hey found it in Poland in the: Speaker B:I think it may be a Byzantine icon.
Speaker B:They say that the painting got the two scratches on the cheek when these.
Speaker B:Some.
Speaker B:Some bad soldiers tried to storm the convent or monk place or church where it was at and take it, and their horses wouldn't move and, like, their knives fell into the painting and like, caused her cheeks to be.
Speaker B:To be scratched.
Speaker B:Anyways, it's got all, like.
Speaker B:That's got all this mythology behind it too.
Speaker B:So I just think that connection was really cool.
Speaker B:So the third ezeli is Ezelie J. Rouge.
Speaker B:And that's the red eye Ezelie.
Speaker B:And she is a vengeful warrior who is all about passion and elicits revenge from unfaithful lovers.
Speaker B:And she is impulsive, reckless, and unforgiving.
Speaker B:So Bois Cayman.
Speaker B:So this night, a group of 200 gathered in what would become northern Haiti at Bois Cayman, which is Creole for Cayman woods.
Speaker B:And there alongside Cecil was the Ugon.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, I'm probably saying that right.
Speaker B:That means priest Oakman Duddy.
Speaker B:And he was born in Jamaica, and he served as his.
Speaker B:Was enslaved, largely as a coachman.
Speaker B:So he was traveling all around the island, and that was enabling him to create connections across the plantations.
Speaker B:So at this night, at this gathering in the woods, there is representatives from all these different plantations there.
Speaker B:And they're meeting both to have a ceremony and to talk about what the fuck we're going to do about our enslavement and are we going to throw a Rebellion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So Bookman promised everyone there a reward of returning to their ancestral home if they were killed during fighting.
Speaker B:But also everybody there is.
Speaker B:They're giving some rousing speeches and they're getting, you know, riled out to do some stuff.
Speaker B:And then they have a Vodou ceremony.
Speaker B:Cecile was mounted by the Loa Ezili and which variation is debated, but there's likely either Ezeli Danto or Ezelie J. Rouge, both of those being a Petro nation.
Speaker B:So they are more.
Speaker B:And a lot of people say they.
Speaker B:Because of.
Speaker B:There is a pig that sacrifice during this and it is believed that Cecile is the one who did the sacrificing and she did that with the knife.
Speaker B:And that is also something that gets done to the Petra Loa.
Speaker B:So if, if.
Speaker B:And the only reason why I also say like because of the.
Speaker B:The aging of that.
Speaker B:That that painting and when those polar soldiers came to Haiti is the only reason why I would say well maybe like not as Eli Danto, maybe she came a little later.
Speaker B:But again those timelines are so.
Speaker A:So who knows.
Speaker B:But she was created out of.
Speaker B:Out of this revolution.
Speaker B:So this could be when she was created, this could be or forefront of that.
Speaker B:But same way just.
Speaker B:It makes sense that rather of those three Azilis.
Speaker B:And a lot of people will say it was the goddess of love, which sounds cool when you're talking about unbirthing a nation out of the goddess of love.
Speaker B:But when you think about her being all sweet tempered and feminine, I would kind of rather go with the one who's a little more vengeful and a little more angry and wants to get shit angry mom as opposed to.
Speaker B:To loving mom, you know.
Speaker B:So there are different.
Speaker B:They're different needs for different kinds of moms sometimes, you know.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:During the ceremony, after they sacrifice the pig, the blood was passed around to the attendees either to be drunk or to be anointed, depending on the source.
Speaker B:If it happened, they probably most likely drank.
Speaker B:It is my thought, but again, not there.
Speaker B:So the attendees took oaths of fidelity.
Speaker B:Bookman is quoted of giving this very rousing prayer slash speech speech that and this night then in that speech and everything that happens is considered to be the founding gesture of the Haitian nation.
Speaker B:So Haiti considers this night where everything happened.
Speaker B:After this night the revolution kicked off and everything goes down.
Speaker B:And so there are many podcasts out there about the Haitian revolution you're welcome to go listen to.
Speaker B:But so back to Cecile.
Speaker B:So Cecile marries Louis Michel Pierrot, who was another Haitian revolutionary And spoiler alert, they do win.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They do win the revolution.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:At least that happens, right?
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:The guy that she marries would actually become the president of Haiti, although they would be divorced by then.
Speaker B:They did have a child together.
Speaker B:Her name was Marie Louise Emily Celestine.
Speaker B:And Cecile is believed to have lived until she was 112.
Speaker B:With all of her faculties.
Speaker B:She'd have.
Speaker B:Their lineage includes like, her grandson becomes a national hero.
Speaker B:And so just kind of goes through this.
Speaker B:All of her.
Speaker B:Her kids are prepped.
Speaker B:But what also I think is cool is Cecile herself becomes elevated as Aloa.
Speaker B:And she becomes the marionette Bois Ch.
Speaker B:She is incredibly powerful and can help those seeking to free themselves from bondage.
Speaker B:Her colors are black and red.
Speaker B:And however, if she mounts you, it is said to be very violent.
Speaker B:And for that she is feared.
Speaker B:But she is also offered black pinks during her ceremonies.
Speaker B:So cool.
Speaker B:Swamp witch.
Speaker B:Like I said, like, not a witch.
Speaker B:And I know they probably offended, but that's just so, so cool.
Speaker B:Occult women out there for.
Speaker B:For your pallets.
Speaker A:As.
Speaker B:As we go through this and we.
Speaker B:And as we come in and meet this one, as we meet Clea in Grand Isle, Louisiana.
Speaker B:Back to supernatural.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:Clea is doing a tarot reading and she senses.
Speaker A:Doing her remote viewing.
Speaker A:Just come in, the doors open.
Speaker A:Oh, that's what it is not.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not remote viewing.
Speaker A:Astral projecting.
Speaker A:The other thing Art Bell used to talk about.
Speaker A:Anyways, I would argue me.
Speaker B:Same.
Speaker B:Same.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And apparently we've learned that Rowena and cle.
Speaker A:Rowena and Clea are not on great terms partially because of Rowena, But Rowena needs a second because of a spell that she's working on because they know that the.
Speaker A:That shit's about to go real bad.
Speaker A:And Rowena's plan is to send them back in time to have more time to live instead of dying in the modern time.
Speaker A:It's a plan.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker B:It's a plan, you know, And I don't know, like, with it's a plan, I don't know what that does to the timeline.
Speaker B:I don't know what any of that would do.
Speaker B:Also, as they start.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And trying to figure out where to go seems really, really hard, as gets proven by this conversation about where, you know, where would you want to go?
Speaker B:And I'm like, well, none of them have antibiotics, so I'm not sure I want to go back to any of them.
Speaker B:Unless, like, I can bring.
Speaker B:Can I bring the antibiotics with.
Speaker A:I don't think so, man.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But they discuss.
Speaker A:Briefly discuss Middle Ages, which was not great for women.
Speaker A:And Cleo points out especially for black.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:Or witches.
Speaker A:And so they end up landing.
Speaker A:Landing on Greek antiquity because they appreciate the classics.
Speaker A:And we'll figure it out.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess that's a decent.
Speaker A:If you got to pick a time, it's as good as any.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, no time is going to be good.
Speaker B:It's a tough one.
Speaker A:It's a tough one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So, yeah, as we con, we all contemplate, where would I go back?
Speaker A:Where would we go?
Speaker A:I know I'm like, maybe.
Speaker A:And then about now.
Speaker A:But I'm like, okay, I didn't have.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:You know, I have a.
Speaker B:It was like.
Speaker B:It's like I didn't have some deal with smallpox, so.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But at least I would be vaccinated.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:So, you know, all those things to consider.
Speaker B:We're going to go back to our uncle.
Speaker B:Our uncle.
Speaker B:Our Dr. Phil session at the Bunker, and this could quickly just become a mediation session.
Speaker A:Yes, this is a full on mediation session now with Sam and Dean and Cassifer and Chuck.
Speaker A:And Caster was like, I just want an explanation, and Chuck is clearly not gonna give him one.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, try I feel statements.
Speaker A:Because, of course, suddenly Dean knows about feelings.
Speaker A:Okay, but we've got.
Speaker A:Chuck's like, I'm sorry that you feel that I betrayed you.
Speaker A:So this is not helpful, starting just so you know, Chuck is not.
Speaker A:It's not playing the game.
Speaker A:So, yeah, apparently Chuck is not capable of being less lordly, as suggested by Sam.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But he goes on to say once again that he did what he thought he had to do.
Speaker A:And that including when he locked Amara away, the Mark corrupted Lucifer and he was a threat to humankind.
Speaker A:And that was it.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Dan made the call he had to make.
Speaker A:And Casper just is not settling for this.
Speaker A:He's just like, no, you still betrayed me.
Speaker A:Me, period.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:You threw me away.
Speaker A:You betrayed me, period.
Speaker A:And Chuck's like, no, the.
Speaker A:The Mark didn't change you.
Speaker A:It just made you more of what you already were.
Speaker A:You already hated people.
Speaker A:And Casper's like, but I'm still your son.
Speaker A:Like, what the.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:So we get a lot of back and forth.
Speaker B:We do get a lot of back and forth and a lot of wonderful petulant misha.
Speaker B:Which is just amazing.
Speaker B:And basically, I did have to explain.
Speaker B:One of them says, everything is a tautology with you.
Speaker B:And I had to look up what tautology was.
Speaker B:So I'm assuming if I did not to.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm just guessing other people did too.
Speaker B:And so that is the saying of the same thing twice in different words.
Speaker B:General.
Speaker B:To be considered a fault of style.
Speaker B:Like they arrived one after another in succession.
Speaker A:But yeah, so.
Speaker A:And so because of how he speaks, they.
Speaker A:They argue that, you know, how do you.
Speaker A:You know, how do you have this argue with your father when your father is God?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And we get an interesting statement where Chuck kind of acknowledges that maybe he did suck at being a dad, kind of.
Speaker A:So he's like, but I could have, you know, I couldn't keep humans safe with you there, Lucifer.
Speaker A:So I know about your bid that you were trying to replace me.
Speaker A:What would you have done if you were God?
Speaker A:And this is where Sam interrupts and painfully admits that he thinks loose Lucifer's stance is correct here.
Speaker A:That he just wants an apology.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:And that Chuck is too concerned with being right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker A:To do that.
Speaker A:It's not about being right.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, you don't have to apologize and mean it.
Speaker A:I don't mean it all the time to Sam.
Speaker A:Sorry, don't mean that one either.
Speaker A:Which is just not getting the point, I guess.
Speaker A:But okay, Dean, thanks for contributing the conversation.
Speaker B:And that pushes them over the edge and they get booped out of the room.
Speaker A:They do get booped out of the room for that one.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Chuck restates his question, though, to.
Speaker A:To Castle.
Speaker A:What would you have done?
Speaker A:And Casper doesn't have an answer for that.
Speaker A:His answer is that you forsook me.
Speaker A:My father forsook me.
Speaker B:And he cannot get over being forsaken.
Speaker B:He's been forsaken.
Speaker A:That's the hang up.
Speaker A:It's not about anything else.
Speaker A:He is forsaken.
Speaker B:Was he forsaken?
Speaker B:Was he forsaked or was he forsooked?
Speaker A:I thought it would be forsaken.
Speaker A:So forsook was a little bit of a curveball for, you know, for Sookie is very different.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So there's a lot more tanning sprays there.
Speaker A:Yes, for Snooki.
Speaker A:Sorry, that's where my brain was.
Speaker A:Snooki, not Sookie.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Chuck's like, yeah, I finally comes around.
Speaker A:He's like, look, I did.
Speaker A:I was supposed to love everybody equally, but basically, you were my favorite.
Speaker A:And when you got the mark, and I thought, you know, I thought you thought that you would be okay.
Speaker A:You'd be strong enough to bear it.
Speaker A:And when I saw like that, my choice, you know, destroyed you like that, and you're my most cherished son.
Speaker A:I really just hated myself for that.
Speaker A:And it made me really sad.
Speaker A:So I punished you.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:So we get legitly.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:That's a very thoughtful father.
Speaker B:Father thought.
Speaker B:Good for you, dad.
Speaker A:Yeah, good for you.
Speaker A:Good for you.
Speaker A:So we end our therapy sesh, and Sam and Dean are reunited with Casper and Chuck.
Speaker A:And basically, they're like, all right, we've got a plan.
Speaker A:We're gonna trap Amara and put her back in the cage.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker A:But they're.
Speaker A:Dean's not convinced.
Speaker A:He's like, well, why aren't we killing her?
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't get it.
Speaker A:And they're.
Speaker A:So Chuck tries to explain that you've got to have.
Speaker A:If you've got to have dark, you have to have light.
Speaker A:It's like a yin and yang thing.
Speaker A:You've got to have.
Speaker A:Both have to exist.
Speaker A:And so we can't.
Speaker A:Can't just blow one up and leave the other and.
Speaker B:Makes sense.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:And the universe needs balance, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we're also getting into some interesting supernatural canon here because.
Speaker B:Okay, so not only do we know that you need to have the darkness with the light, so the world can't exist, like, without.
Speaker B:Without that counterpart, then he also says, why he can't make more archangels because he needs more archangels to do that.
Speaker B:And then he is like, michael is in no shape.
Speaker B:And we're like, of course he's not Adam.
Speaker B:Where the are you?
Speaker B:And then he.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:And that's all they say in passing, and they just drop it.
Speaker A:They just drop it.
Speaker A:They say that in passing and then just drop it.
Speaker A:Michael's in bad shape.
Speaker B:We're just going to leave him there.
Speaker B:So how.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:But also, he can't restore other archangels.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because it takes up too much time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what do we need to win?
Speaker A:And Chuck's like, what do you got that would make up for archangel power?
Speaker A:And so Dean suggests Crowley, and we get a really fun series now as they talk through who they can gather as their.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Their Planeteers, I guess.
Speaker A:I don't know, like, their X Men.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:Whatever you want to call it, their group O Avengers of what they're pulling together.
Speaker A:And so Dean suggests Crowley and visits him, where Crowley first assumes that.
Speaker A:That Lucifer sent Dean there and Dean's like, no, you're wasted.
Speaker A:I'm taking your drink away, and you smell like the dumpster outside the liquor barn, so pull it together, because we need your help.
Speaker A:Then we get a cut to Cassifer, suggesting that the angels could help, too.
Speaker A:And we cut to him in the hallway in heaven, surrounded by angels, all with their blades drawn and calling him a serpent that they don't trust.
Speaker A:And he's like, I came to ask you in good faith a favor.
Speaker A:So please just, like, hear me the out.
Speaker A:I've got my Jiminy Cricket in my shoulder that will talk on my behalf.
Speaker A:I'm gonna close my eyes, and I'm gonna let Cass take over.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Seems like a.
Speaker B:A bold move, considering the angels all hate cast, too.
Speaker A:I mean, I think they hate him slightly less.
Speaker B:But, I mean, the.
Speaker B:With the bar is Lucifer.
Speaker A:Not good.
Speaker A:It's not good.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, also, how about Rowena?
Speaker A:You know, I.
Speaker A:You know, she's.
Speaker A:You know, she can.
Speaker A:She's a witch, and she's got the book damned, and she's done this before, so let's try to find her.
Speaker A:So he shows up at Clea's holding the last ingredient.
Speaker A:They need the jaw of the pig for their spell.
Speaker A:And she threatens to turn him into an actual moose, which I think is hilarious.
Speaker A:But he's like, yeah, he's in a.
Speaker B:Witch'S den because you need three to be a coven.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's not a.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like.
Speaker A:And Cleo's like, you ain't turning him into.
Speaker A:Because he is protected by something super powerful.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And so she's interested in.
Speaker A:Sam's like, yeah, and we need you, Rowena.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker A:To the bunker for a minute, and Sam and Chuck are talking.
Speaker A:He's like, look, we're getting everybody together, but this isn't gonna be easy to make all these people work together, even with a common enemy.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, well, can we compel God, compel these people?
Speaker A:Can we just use.
Speaker A:Do that?
Speaker A:Tuck's like, but I made free will.
Speaker A:And also, you can't make an effective soldier by force who really can't, you know, like, it.
Speaker B:It tends to not work out well.
Speaker B:So they do have one card to play, and that is God's back.
Speaker B:That seems like a pretty big card.
Speaker B:And I would probably start off with that.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because none of these people are like, their besties.
Speaker A:Like, they're not like, yeah, I hope you Friend, it's not like that.
Speaker A:So Sam tells Rowena that you.
Speaker A:She's gonna play the God card.
Speaker A:God's back.
Speaker A:And she's like, I don't trust you, first of all.
Speaker A:And second of all, I'm a pagan.
Speaker A:And Clea's like, hold on.
Speaker A:He's got some pretty serious protection.
Speaker A:And also, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm interested.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:Let's talk.
Speaker A:I'm wearing a cross.
Speaker B:She volunteers, and she says I can serve both and.
Speaker B:Which is exactly what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker A:So, boom.
Speaker A:I should have put the Laura here.
Speaker A:I was like, o. Yeah.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker A:It's both.
Speaker A:It's both.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then the angels are like, hey, we need proof, by the way, if we're going to help that God's back.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:And they're like, in good time.
Speaker A:And so one.
Speaker A:One chews out Cass for being befouled by Lucifer.
Speaker A:And I just was amused by be.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, he be founded for.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fouled and forsaken.
Speaker A:But either way, he's like, look, I. I did this because I had to.
Speaker A:And by the way, I know that because of the.
Speaker A:Through this.
Speaker A:Through him, we will.
Speaker A:Through Lucifer, will defeat the darkness.
Speaker A:So this is God's fight now.
Speaker A:So join up.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we've got Rowena still a no.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But Clea's like, you brought a plan to escape.
Speaker A:This is a plan to win.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:I can ring in some other witches.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker A:And finally, Rowena's still kind of, like, hesitant.
Speaker A:She's like, there's no we're not a chance against Rowena.
Speaker A:But Clea pulls a new card from the deck.
Speaker A:It's the sun.
Speaker A:And it means they have a chance, apparently.
Speaker A:I don't know my tarot.
Speaker B:That's better than a whole bunch of death cards.
Speaker A:That's probably accurate.
Speaker A:Which is what she had up before, right?
Speaker A:So we've got.
Speaker A:Crowley is still like, I wanted to go out wearing the crown.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, what?
Speaker A:You might have an ego problem, first of all, but we could still use your help.
Speaker A:And you might get to be king again, but to do that, you might need to remember what it's like to be a soldier.
Speaker A:All right, so Crowley was ever a soldier.
Speaker A:I don't know about that.
Speaker A:So we cut to a great scene, a very dramatic scene at the map table with.
Speaker A:With salmon.
Speaker A:Dean and Cassifer and Chuck are there, and they're talking about the plan.
Speaker A:They're gonna assemble Their team.
Speaker A:And they're gonna all attack Amara.
Speaker A:And then once they.
Speaker B:Once they.
Speaker A:She's weakened, then.
Speaker A:Then Chuck can lock her up.
Speaker A:And they're gonna use the witches and the demons in place of the archangels and the angels, of course, but.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, I still don't understand why we don't kill Amara.
Speaker A:Because he is hung up on that fun fact.
Speaker A:And Casper calls out.
Speaker A:He's like, oh, it's about your girlfriend, okay?
Speaker A:But Dean's like, no, I tried to kill her, and it didn't work, so what the fuck?
Speaker A:And they're.
Speaker A:Chuck's like, maybe because you didn't really want to.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, look, you want God to kill her because you can't.
Speaker A:Isn't that what this is about?
Speaker A:But if.
Speaker A:You know, if.
Speaker A:If she's already dead, then you don't have to worry about it.
Speaker A:But that's not what's going to happen here.
Speaker A:So we can't keep sweating all these choices.
Speaker A:We have God on our side this time.
Speaker A:We can change.
Speaker A:We can do things his way this time.
Speaker A:So let's back the off on trying to just.
Speaker A:You just go kill Amara.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So we show all our different components agreeing to the plan.
Speaker A:It's so simple.
Speaker A:It's so simple, it's insane.
Speaker A:It's so simple, it's suicide.
Speaker A:But we're gonna do it in.
Speaker A:All in.
Speaker A:And then we see poor Donatello's house.
Speaker A:This guy can't catch a break, can he?
Speaker A:But because Amara is there, and she has beaten him up a bunch, and he doesn't look like someone who gets into fist fights.
Speaker A:And so he probably has not been punched in the face, and it's not feeling very good.
Speaker A:But he's like, I don't know the answer to your question.
Speaker A:I've only been in profit for three days.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, I know.
Speaker A:You don't have to tell me.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:So I'm going to eat your soul.
Speaker A:And now she knows that God's in Kansas.
Speaker B:I bet that's on a T shirt.
Speaker A:God's in Kansas.
Speaker A:Well, bet you a nickel it probably is.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the bunker where Chuck's World's Greatest dad mug is sitting on the map table, which I do love that visual.
Speaker A:Gold star.
Speaker A:Gold star on that visual.
Speaker A:Thanks, Super Natural crew.
Speaker A:And we see the room shaking and Sigils burning off the wall.
Speaker A:And Amara appears, standing on the table where she kicks the mug across the room.
Speaker A:The rest of the.
Speaker A:I don't Know.
Speaker A:What do you call them?
Speaker A:Are they.
Speaker A:What are these?
Speaker A:These are.
Speaker A:Are supernatural avengers.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:They have.
Speaker A:They are meeting up at.
Speaker A:In a power plant, which is another industrial site.
Speaker A:But Rowena arrives, and she walk on Crowley and Cassifer having a conversation, and he.
Speaker A:Castifer, compliments her, calls her red, and then kind of insinuates that he owes her an apology.
Speaker A:It's cute.
Speaker A:He's rude.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:Of course he is.
Speaker A:And then we get.
Speaker A:Chuck shows up, and he's like, hello, my children.
Speaker A:Because it's the first time he's met them in person.
Speaker A:And Rowena as actually, like, kind of was like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry for, like, everything I've ever done, because I am terrible.
Speaker A:And he's like, that's okay.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:I. I usually root against both you and Crowley, but you are some of my guilty pleasures.
Speaker B:It's entertaining, which was entertaining, as was.
Speaker B:This is also the first time that Crowley realizes that God is Chuck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, first time.
Speaker A:And he doesn't.
Speaker A:Like, we don't get this guy.
Speaker A:This guy.
Speaker A:Well, Dean's comes in.
Speaker A:He's like, by the way, no, we know no one likes each other.
Speaker A:That doesn't matter.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And Chuck's like, okay, so I just want you to know, here's what's going to happen.
Speaker A:Amara is going to show up when these.
Speaker A:When all these words drop.
Speaker A:She's going to want to fight.
Speaker A:We're going to give it to her, and that's all there is to it.
Speaker A:Shock is awe.
Speaker A:There's everybody in position.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:God's, like, rallying the troops right now with the plan.
Speaker A:And Rowena's like, all right, is this.
Speaker A:Is this strategic?
Speaker A:And, like, it seems very simple.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, no, this is what we're doing.
Speaker A:We're gonna weaken her, and then I'll take her down.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And there's a little bit of an argument about, like, oh, who's actually going first?
Speaker A:But it seems like that's already decided, so it doesn't matter that have much I don't know, but we'll.
Speaker A:We'll get through it.
Speaker A:And Chuck's like, okay, when this.
Speaker A:Once this starts happening, I'm gonna have to transfer the Mark.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, I'm ready.
Speaker A:We're like, wait, what.
Speaker A:What's happening with the Mark now, huh?
Speaker A:Apparently, Dean can't retake the Mark because he is tainted from having had it before.
Speaker A:Plus, he' can't Take down Amara.
Speaker A:So Sam has volunteered to take on the Mark.
Speaker A:Seems like a terrible idea.
Speaker B:Damn it, Sam.
Speaker A:And they try to talk about it, and he's like, look.
Speaker A:Sam's like, look, if the Mark takes over and I get cuckoo bananas, just, like, lock me up and throw away the key.
Speaker A:But whatever this is, the.
Speaker A:Has to be the plan.
Speaker A:So my option.
Speaker A:So Dean kind of agrees, and they go back to Princess.
Speaker A:Proceed.
Speaker A:But, of course, Casper and Crowley are discussing the angel attack didn't work before and how Rowena is going to have her disorienting magic.
Speaker A:They're just, like, kind of talking on each other.
Speaker A:On each other only what each the other is bringing to the table and how none of them are strong enough on their own.
Speaker A:Which is true.
Speaker A:We already know this.
Speaker A:But Sam tells Dean that he's the one leading this army.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, fine, we'll do God's plan.
Speaker A:I'm gonna stick to it.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do God's plan.
Speaker A:That's what we got.
Speaker A:So Amara is digging through the bunker and manages to locate a picture of Mary in.
Speaker A:She's in Dean's room, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And in his bed trunk, which gives me.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, no.
Speaker A:What's gonna happen?
Speaker A:And this episode, Nothing.
Speaker A:But we'll find out.
Speaker B:And lots of sticky socks.
Speaker A:And then we've got Rowena astral projecting into the bunker, and.
Speaker B:And frankly, her white eyeballs just make her eyeshadow look even better.
Speaker A:I know, but I don't like white eyes.
Speaker A:It creeps me out.
Speaker A:I don't like to look at that.
Speaker B:But it makes the purple really pop.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker A:You're not wrong.
Speaker A:It's distressing still, though, so.
Speaker A:So we've got.
Speaker A:We've got Rowena to be able to communicate because obviously, Amara senses her, and she's like, by the way, I'm with God.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker A:Come get me.
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker A:And so we have Rowena outside of the power plant, where Amara shows up and is like, God's right here.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:What deal will you give me for betraying him?
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:And Amara is like, ah, you betrayed God.
Speaker A:You didn't betray.
Speaker A:You know you didn't betray, or you didn't betray God, you betrayed me.
Speaker A:So what the do you think I'm gonna do for you?
Speaker A:I knew this was a trap.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:And so she's gonna, like, how the am I gonna kill you?
Speaker A:And so Rowena attacks her, and Amara just says, that tickles.
Speaker A:Her lightning.
Speaker A:Her lightning.
Speaker A:Magic lightning tickles.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But it's not just one witch that is trying to go after her.
Speaker B:And so we go through shots of other witches piping their power through Rowena and zapping Amara.
Speaker B:And we've got a drumming witch in there who's.
Speaker B:That's her magic.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then she kills the witches.
Speaker B:And I think this is completely unfair.
Speaker B:Like, none of the other seem to die in this thing.
Speaker B:Why the witches have to die.
Speaker A:That's very weird.
Speaker A:She fries the witches through Rowena, but Rowena doesn't die either.
Speaker A:Rowena doesn't die.
Speaker A:The other witch is all dead.
Speaker A:Remote dead.
Speaker A:That's just even worse, right?
Speaker A:They're even there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Rude.
Speaker A:It's rude.
Speaker A:So, anyways, Rowena's on the ground and, like, out down for the count for now.
Speaker A:But we have a big thundercloud, and the sky opens up, and we have a pillar of white light burning the out of Amara.
Speaker A:Now, this did hurt her a little bit.
Speaker A:She still fought back, but she was a little bit.
Speaker A:She was affected by the witch's attack, let's say.
Speaker A:And then she's affected by this woman, this white light that she takes.
Speaker A:Her.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:She opens her arms to invite at first, but it impacts her, and she falls down.
Speaker A:And then as that stops, we have a whole bunch of demon smoke everywhere, all over the place.
Speaker A:And she is trying to fight it, but it picks her up off the ground and is flinging her around, and she is fighting, looking real annoyed about it.
Speaker A:And Crowley goes out to help, and, like, he.
Speaker A:He gets his, you know, his red smoke out, and he is helping and slams her car, and she.
Speaker A:And then they all go away, and she is looking rough.
Speaker A:Amara is beat up, but she stumbles into the power plant still and is greeted by.
Speaker A:She greets her brother the second she gets in there saying that he cheated.
Speaker A:And then she gets stabbed from behind by a castifer with the big spear.
Speaker A:Where did this.
Speaker A:What is this spear?
Speaker A:And where did it come from?
Speaker A:I don't know, but it's a big spear with some carved in the.
Speaker A:The blade seems important.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think we've seen it before.
Speaker B:It's probably a weapon of something.
Speaker B:And I'll.
Speaker B:I'll look it up and let you know.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:But God stops him from stabbing her twice, and.
Speaker B:Because we don't want Amara to die, right?
Speaker A:And Chuck apologizes, I'm sorry for this, and I'm sorry for everything, sis.
Speaker A:And she's like, I just spent millions of years in a cage begging for death, and what was my crime for.
Speaker A:For.
Speaker A:For that.
Speaker A:Like, to.
Speaker A:To deserve that.
Speaker A:And he's just like, the world needed to be born and you wouldn't let me.
Speaker A:And she's like, what the ever.
Speaker A:That's your story.
Speaker A:You just couldn't stand that we were equals.
Speaker A:And, you know, you needed the archangels to make lesser beings so that you could feel big.
Speaker A:He's like, that's true.
Speaker A:But that's not like everything.
Speaker A:It's like there was glory in the creation.
Speaker A:It was bigger than my ego.
Speaker A:Being existing didn't come from me.
Speaker A:It was there waiting to exist.
Speaker A:It just is.
Speaker A:And he knows that she's felt it, too.
Speaker A:And we get a super awkward eyeballs exchange between, like, her and Dean and Chuck.
Speaker A:It's very weird.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And she's just like, whatever, it didn't have to be like this.
Speaker A:I loved you because you're my brother and you won again, so just kill me, please.
Speaker A:And Chuck's like, yeah, sorry.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Can't do that either.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:I'm not going back to be, like, locked up again.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And so she gets pissed, and her.
Speaker A:As her mark is burning off and the mark is burning into Sam's arm, she snaps.
Speaker A:And she's like, never again.
Speaker A:And she, like, like, lifts Chuck up by his throat.
Speaker A:And we've got.
Speaker A:Cassifer tries to attack, and she flings him.
Speaker A:And then she does something and pulls.
Speaker A:Like, it looks like the angel.
Speaker A:Like, is it Lucifer coming out of him?
Speaker A:Is it Cass coming out of him?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:There's light coming out of him, and it looks bad.
Speaker A:Looks all bad.
Speaker A:And Dean's running for look, worried about Cassiel, but she flings him.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's wild.
Speaker A:And so she's mad, and she's like, I would.
Speaker A:I would die a thousand times and murder you a million more times before I go back there.
Speaker A:And the mark stops transferring and she starts darkness smoking.
Speaker A:I don't know what else to call it.
Speaker A:Her skirt turns into dark smoke.
Speaker A:And Dean's very distressed by this.
Speaker A:And she going to use her weird smoke strings, I don't know, to start lifting Chuck off the ground again and stabbing him with them.
Speaker A:And he's got light leaking out of him.
Speaker A:And then he collapses on the ground.
Speaker A:The next day, because this all happened overnight.
Speaker A:Rowena is unconscious on the ground outside.
Speaker A:And getting up as the dust dawn comes, and we've got inside.
Speaker A:Dean's asking, amara, what have you done?
Speaker A:And Sam's like, is God Dead.
Speaker A:She's like, no, but he's dying.
Speaker A:And he's not gonna die until he sees what comes next.
Speaker A:And that's his world turned to ash.
Speaker A:Just very mean.
Speaker A:And he's so bitter.
Speaker A:She's very bitter.
Speaker A:And Rowena sees the sun outside and is looking at the sun.
Speaker A:And Amara says inside to Samudine, welcome to the end.
Speaker A:Super dark.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So do we have any angels or demons to talk about?
Speaker A:Casting couch.
Speaker A:Is the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:Well, I was going to talk about Clea.
Speaker A:That's my priority.
Speaker B:Which we've got a witch.
Speaker A:We've got a witch.
Speaker A:So we've got.
Speaker A:For our cast, we've got.
Speaker A:Clea was played by Barbara Eve Harris.
Speaker A:She's been a lot of things, including episodes of Party of Five, CSI Miami, CSI ER, Ghost Whisperer, NCIS911, Lone Star High Potential, which is my current favorites.
Speaker A:She's also played agent Felicia Long in Prison break for almost 20 episodes.
Speaker A: n The Amazing Spider man, the: Speaker A:So even a bunch of other stuff too.
Speaker A:There's just highlights of her career.
Speaker A:But yeah, it was.
Speaker A:You can tell we are about to hit season finale.
Speaker B:Definitely some.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Again, I'm pissed off they killed the witches and the.
Speaker B:Because the angels and the demons seem fine.
Speaker B:Like why.
Speaker B:Why'd you gotta kill.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:It just makes me mad and I don't know, I mean it does seem like we're, you know, like we were get like kind of like a pre climax here was like, you know, we sort of get a thing that happens.
Speaker B:So we're getting te least with the smoke and everything about what's happening.
Speaker B:But I mean it still was an engaging episode, right?
Speaker A:It wasn't.
Speaker B:It wasn't a bummer.
Speaker B:It wasn't.
Speaker B:I don't know, it just like you said, like it feels like we're just part two of last.
Speaker B:Last week's episode.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker A:I will say I really enjoyed the way that we like the way they.
Speaker A:They story told going to all the different groups.
Speaker A:I very much enjoyed that.
Speaker A:I thought that was kind of a cool.
Speaker A:I mean it was honestly, as they were doing it, you're like, well duh, this is what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:But I just liked how it was was done.
Speaker A:So gold star on that.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's all I got.
Speaker A:I'm excited to see what happens because also as much as I don't I know some of the.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I say as much as I know like about the characters and I like some general concepts.
Speaker A:Having not watched the series, though, I don't know like how long characters are around or not around.
Speaker A:So it's kind of intriguing to not like I'm, I'm still on edge to find, find out will they kill Sam.
Speaker B:And Dean Winchester again?
Speaker B:Yeah, tune in and find out.
Speaker B:Next week it'll also be season 11 trivia.
Speaker B:So Diana, study.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:On that note, Cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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Speaker A:Going up to the spirit in the sky that's where I'm gonna go when I die When I die I'm going to the place that.
