12:03 The Foundry
We're talking Supernatural Season 12, Season 3 and asking important questions like "What is up with that effin doll?" Was it a joke? Was this whole episode supposed to be funny? Liz tells Diana about Mylings who are even creepier than you think.
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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:First Mommy's hair is gone.
Speaker B:Then mommy's possessed gone.
Speaker A:Then Crowley's mommy's gone.
Speaker B:Then Mommy's gone.
Speaker B:Gone.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about season 12, episode 3, the Foundry.
Speaker A:We are the Foundry.
Speaker A: ng our way through the end of: Speaker A:How have you been handling the end of the year?
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a weird one, man.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I had a very busy, eventful week leading up to this and getting.
Speaker B:I'm very in the holiday spirit.
Speaker B:I'm getting.
Speaker B:Doing all the holiday things.
Speaker B:I've done all the baking.
Speaker B:I'm doing cookies and stuff like that.
Speaker B:And yeah, now I'm just getting ready to get a new knee.
Speaker A:Which is exciting.
Speaker B:Which is exciting.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker B:That's my big end of year.
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:How about you, Liz?
Speaker A:Oh, you know, I've completed, I think, all of the required present acquisitions because there are just some things that are required.
Speaker A:Someone who is a. I don't know what you call them, but someone who I work with gave, you know, gave me a Christmas present and it was all these chocolates and I ate the box in like two days.
Speaker A:And really it's like, can you not give me chocolates that are.
Speaker A:I was also like, like on my period.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Sorry, guys.
Speaker A:Let's just see the things you need to know.
Speaker A:But so I was just like, fuck you, chocolate.
Speaker A:And so I consumed all of that.
Speaker A:But yeah, the.
Speaker A:I went and saw Wicked.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:I forgot what they called it, but it was a, A, the musical burlesque version that Sky Candy, the aerial gym in Austin put on.
Speaker A:So that was loads of fun and always fun to see people doing aerial stuff.
Speaker A:That's not me.
Speaker A:And so that was.
Speaker A:That was fun and nice.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think I'm ready for the.
Speaker A:The this year to be over, but I'm also just hunkered down working on.
Speaker B:Things, so I'm not even noticing.
Speaker A:So this is making for exciting radio podcasting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Oh, I am also, as I'm learning to chain mail, I've been binging Fire country because I watched an episode of Sheriff country.
Speaker A:And then I realized it didn't make sense unless.
Speaker A:Or like some things that it makes as much sense unless I watch Country.
Speaker A:So I had to go back and watch that.
Speaker A:And now I Finally got to the Padalecki episodes, and there's.
Speaker A:I mean, he just kind of like pops in and out.
Speaker A:He's not really an.
Speaker A:He's not a bad guy, but he's not a nice guy.
Speaker A:And they do make fun of his floofy hair, which I appreciate.
Speaker B:I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's about.
Speaker A:It's about firefighter, shockingly enough.
Speaker A:And then Sheriff country is about sheriffs, shockingly enough.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I would also.
Speaker B:Titles are descriptive.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I would also recommend.
Speaker A:I would recommend Tracker, Gins and Apples.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's really good in it.
Speaker B:And I like.
Speaker B:I like the other guy.
Speaker A:His name, Justin.
Speaker A:It starts with an age, but he is a very.
Speaker A:Also very handsome.
Speaker A:And I can't imagine, like, being in a room with the two of them.
Speaker A:I just feel like my.
Speaker A:I don't know if I'd be able to speak.
Speaker B:Justin Hartley.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:But the episodes are also.
Speaker A:They're kind of like monster of the week.
Speaker A:They're just not monsters.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So it's episodic.
Speaker A:And, you know, like, while there are some through lines that carry through, you know, being like, you know, Jensen plays Justin's brother.
Speaker A:So there's like, those things are going on, but it's.
Speaker A:You can kind of jump around.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter that much or.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:I recommend it.
Speaker A:If as you're.
Speaker A:As you're recovering from your.
Speaker A:Your knee surgery and all the things that you're going to watch, I recommend.
Speaker A:Those are good.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's on the list.
Speaker B:I think that one's higher on the list.
Speaker B:I want to watch Tracker for sure.
Speaker B:Because I like Justin Harley, too, because I'm not.
Speaker B:I'm not mad at that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:At all.
Speaker B:Oh, goodness.
Speaker B:Let's talk about this episode.
Speaker B:What's going on?
Speaker A:So the Foundry, the name.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The writer of this, who is Robert Barrons, like, just said that it was personal and didn't say what it meant.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I mean, it was also a foundry.
Speaker A:And so he was the.
Speaker A:The writer of this.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:This is his first episode this season.
Speaker A:We're only on episode three.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And his first episode this season.
Speaker A:But putting him on it, you know, is.
Speaker A:Means, you know, it's probably a pretty important episode.
Speaker A:And so we start off with our recap.
Speaker A:And in every.
Speaker A:Every recap this season, you're just gonna have to watch Sam's feet getting burned.
Speaker A:I think no matter.
Speaker A:No matter which way it makes you feel.
Speaker A:And it does also the.
Speaker A:The Vince flashback Includes a line that Lucifer and Jen didn't say.
Speaker A:She says, we can heal your sister Wendy.
Speaker A:And that wasn't in last week's episode.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:It was on.
Speaker A:It was on the cutting room floor, but now I got put back into this.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:Isn't that interesting?
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:The other thing we see, and that's that we haven't seen in a while is possession of a person by a ghost.
Speaker B:So that's a good, you know, hint about the episode contents, too.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And we open in St. Paul, Minnesota, and we've got this couple leaving a restaurant, and they are both raiding it immediately because they.
Speaker B:They both have different hot takes on the avocado toast with quail egg.
Speaker A:He thinks quail egg on avocado toast is genius and hard.
Speaker A:Disagree.
Speaker A:Go fuck yourself with your quail egg.
Speaker A:And so they argue about the rating that they're going to give it.
Speaker A:And then there's also talking about.
Speaker A:So this is a neighborhood that's complete, you know, obviously on the.
Speaker A:On the rise.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker A:And so they're talking about how they should have bought there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then they hear a crying baby from the.
Speaker B:From the one abandoned house that's there still, the property.
Speaker B:And they're.
Speaker B:And he's just like.
Speaker B:The dude's like, it's just squatters or crackheads there.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, you need to call 91 1.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna run in this house right now.
Speaker B:Because by myself.
Speaker B:Which seems questionable, but okay.
Speaker B:But I also get it.
Speaker B:So she gets inside.
Speaker B:So Nat is what.
Speaker B:He's calling after her.
Speaker B:And inside this house, she's, like, looking for a baby.
Speaker B:And she doesn't even have, like, her cell phone, like, flashlight on or anything.
Speaker B:It's really scary.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:And anyway, she finds a creepy crib with a creepy light flickering above it.
Speaker B:And there is a creepy doll in the crib because of course there's a creepy doll in the crib where the baby crying sound is coming from.
Speaker A:But the way they zoom in on this baby is so fucking funny.
Speaker A:And, like, I have a clip because it's just like.
Speaker A:Like it's.
Speaker A:And they like, like pan in.
Speaker A:Like, they zoom in, like, really hard on this baby, like, a few times as, like, strong, like, don't.
Speaker A:Music goes.
Speaker A:It's so stupid.
Speaker A:And I love it, but it's just.
Speaker A:It's really funny.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:And then there's something else in the room.
Speaker B:And her dude shows up, and then the door Locks.
Speaker B:They get locked in this room.
Speaker B:The door slams shut and locks them in.
Speaker B:And then they're screaming, but they're just.
Speaker A:Gonna die by this baby doll.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's awful.
Speaker B:I don't like it anyways.
Speaker B:Which I also do.
Speaker B:As this episode goes on, I have, like, a question, because why were.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:I don't really.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's.
Speaker A:There's some questionable things in this episode.
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:So it doesn't really match up with the end, but particular.
Speaker A:Some canon.
Speaker A:So anyhow.
Speaker A:So we go from laughing.
Speaker A:Me, laugh.
Speaker A:Dying with laughter over that baby doll.
Speaker A:To the bun.
Speaker A:Mary is reading John's journal and looking.
Speaker B:A little upset in the middle of the night because she can't sleep.
Speaker B:And Castiel interrupts and informs her that angels don't sleep or don't need to sleep.
Speaker B:So she's like, yeah, sometimes they sleep in this show.
Speaker A:I swear.
Speaker A:Like, he's.
Speaker A:He slept with Hannah.
Speaker A:The hell.
Speaker A:Maybe it's because they don't need.
Speaker B:Maybe it's that they don't need sleep, but they can sleep.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Okay, they.
Speaker A:He rests.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Sometimes he's in a goddamn bed.
Speaker A:So anyhow, I don't know.
Speaker B:So she's gonna try again to go back to sleep.
Speaker B:But she stops to ask Cass how long it took him to feel like he fit in on Earth.
Speaker B:And he's like, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm not sure.
Speaker B:I'm still not sure that I do.
Speaker B:But you do.
Speaker B:And she's like, not sure about that.
Speaker B:So she's gonna go in the bathroom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And do what women do when we get upset.
Speaker A:And also, I want to say, girl, I was bored on this timeline, and I did not get pulled out of heaven, and I don't feel like I belong here.
Speaker A:So, like, get over this.
Speaker A:But she does.
Speaker A:She's already has bangs, so she's like.
Speaker A:And she doesn't have any hair dye.
Speaker A:So she goes to the next best thing, which is just gonna be.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna cut it all off.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:With these shitty scissors that I found, which are not meant for cutting hair.
Speaker B:And so the next morning, in the kitchen, Sam and Dean are discussing the British Men of Letters over breakfast.
Speaker A:I'm so proud that there is no booze on this breakfast table.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam has found an old letter that he's very excited about from the British about with exchange between the Men of Letters and the British Men of Letters.
Speaker B:Except for the fact that it's mostly redacted, just not as helpful And Cass is like, by the way, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm going to Cleveland because I've got a lead on Lucifer.
Speaker B:There's a report of a guy with his eyes flaring red.
Speaker A:He's just really about to Irish goodbye.
Speaker A:Then he's just like, see ya.
Speaker A:And just, like, walking out the door.
Speaker B:And they're like, wait, what?
Speaker B:And he's like, well, Lucifer's free because of me, so it's my responsibility.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, I'll call you if I find him, but you're needed here.
Speaker B:Hint, hint, hint.
Speaker B:Cue Mary.
Speaker A:Yeah, and Dean's all wet, Mom's fine, and Sam's a little bit more in tune.
Speaker A:It's like, dude, she was walking around all night, and she seems shaky.
Speaker A:And Dean's just talking it up to her, not having been on the planet since Jane Fonda were leg warmers.
Speaker A:And she just needs some rest and some family time, and that'll be just fine.
Speaker A:And then she.
Speaker B:Then here comes Mary with her fabulous new haircut.
Speaker B:By the way, it looks really good.
Speaker B:That did a badass job with those scissors in the middle of the night.
Speaker A:She got her layers in pretty well.
Speaker A:Good for her.
Speaker B:Good for her.
Speaker B:And she's just gonna happily munch on some cold bacon, which makes Dean very happy.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then Sam finally notices her hair.
Speaker A:Hey, I applaud them for not being blind to that.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't want to stereotype, but it's.
Speaker B:That's a thing.
Speaker B:It is a thing.
Speaker B:And she's like, hey, I want my hair short for hunts, because I don't want there to be an advantage for bad guys to pull my hair.
Speaker B:Okay, so Mary's ready to hunt.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, I've been saying that to Sam for years.
Speaker B:Which is hilarious.
Speaker A:And so Mary has found a case.
Speaker A:And no, she did not learn how to use the Internet.
Speaker A:Dean brought her in newspapers from town.
Speaker A:And frankly, I would be stunned if I also saw this in the newspaper.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, it's like in Minnesota, two.
Speaker B:Two are dead.
Speaker B:They were in a locked room where they heard a crying baby.
Speaker B:But there's no official cause of death released.
Speaker B:This is super weird.
Speaker A:That is a strange thing to put in the newspaper.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So there.
Speaker A:Clearly, this is the case, and Sam is confused.
Speaker A:But Dean wants to go on a family hunting trip.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, Dean.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is the stuff of Dean's dreams.
Speaker B:He is stoked.
Speaker B:So they all get on the road, and Dean gets to share the fine art of road trip snack.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Before they do that.
Speaker A:They walk past a motorcycle and Dean says, nice bike.
Speaker A:And it sure is.
Speaker A:And that was a Norton Commando.
Speaker A:And why do I like Norton's?
Speaker A:Because British bikes come in all sizes.
Speaker A:But mostly they come in pretty short sizes.
Speaker A:And theoretically I can ride most of them.
Speaker B:Them.
Speaker A:So then we noted.
Speaker A:So, okay, back to Dean and the variety of snacks.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's got a whole bunch of beef jerky.
Speaker B:We've got teriyaki, sriracha and chili lime, which I haven't had chili lime.
Speaker B:And now I'm intrigued.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And apparently it tastes artificial and kind of tingly, so you can give it a go.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Mary gives out a taste, cranks Steppenwolf on the radio, and off they go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam wants to turn it down, but Mary wants to turn it up.
Speaker A:So we know how.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Which Winchester.
Speaker A:And Dean also is, like, pulling out of his parking lot.
Speaker A:Like, he's just squealing out, so I don't know what's going on.
Speaker A:And we go from there to the hotel where Tommy is talking to Cass in a suit in a hotel lobby.
Speaker A:And he says he has known drunk Vince, depressed Vince, Megalith, I'm a Golden God Vince.
Speaker A:But he did not know this Vince who threw him through that door.
Speaker B:That's quite a list of personalities for this friend to have.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:And hey, I've known it.
Speaker A:A lot of musicians that have that all have those personality traits within themselves.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Cass is like, okay, well, here's my card.
Speaker B:If he, like, reaches out, if you hear anything from him, please, please call me.
Speaker B:And Cassiel is going by Agent Beyonce.
Speaker A:All the single castes.
Speaker A:And so Tommy's just like, okay, weird Agent Beyonce.
Speaker A:I'll go.
Speaker A:So I'll go with that.
Speaker A:But Agent Jay Z is sitting at the bar, and that's Crowley.
Speaker A:And that's when it just really becomes obvious how weird ass the score is to this episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, it just really starts to come through at this point.
Speaker A:It's like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker A:I know it's an aesthetic choice, but it kind of drives me nuts a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, well, we cut to Mary and Sam at the coroner's office.
Speaker B:And Dean arrives too.
Speaker B:And she introduces herself as Shirley.
Speaker B:Agent Shirley Partridge.
Speaker B:And her other agents are Cassidy and Juan Aducci.
Speaker B:So we now have the Partridge family.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And this coroner is so young that he has no idea what the she is talking about.
Speaker A:And he's also really confused about there being feds at a local case.
Speaker A:And she just flies through this.
Speaker A:She has no Problems?
Speaker B:Lying?
Speaker B:No, none.
Speaker B:She's got some story about it being a training thing and then whatever, and it moves right on.
Speaker B:And Sam jumps into the questions about the lack of a report about the cause of death.
Speaker B:And while they're having that conversation, Dean notices a handprint burned onto the arm of one of the victims.
Speaker B:It's frostbite.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah.
Speaker B:The coroner's like, yes, they both victims died of hypothermia in a room that was 65 degrees.
Speaker B:Their hearts literally froze.
Speaker B:And he just doesn't know how to communicate that to the public or to their families, for that matter.
Speaker B:How do I do that?
Speaker A:It's a hard sell.
Speaker B:A very reasonable concern.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And I would just say, you know, you could just say they had a heart problem.
Speaker A:Goodbye.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:You can't know.
Speaker A:This will be a closed casket.
Speaker A:So we go from there.
Speaker A:Outside the hotel where Crowley is chatting up Cass and really wants to team up.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's trying to do a hard sell on teaming up to take down Lucifer.
Speaker B:That's what he wants.
Speaker B:And Cass is trying to kind of, like, be like, nah, not interested.
Speaker B:But Crowley's like, by the way, I've already ransacked a hotel room, and I found Vince's sister's address.
Speaker B:And that's, you know, might be a good lead.
Speaker B:Might be a lead for us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's got his postcards from his sister Wendy all over his room.
Speaker A:Dude, this guy travels with so much stuff.
Speaker A:How many things are he packing on this?
Speaker A:Oh, good Lord.
Speaker A:I'd hate to be his assistant.
Speaker A:Not making sure those postcards get lost.
Speaker A:He knows his drunk ass is, like, leaving them everywhere.
Speaker A:Like, where's my postcard?
Speaker B:And Wendy and my Am I for all my framed photos and all my.
Speaker A:Frame photos of my dead life or whatever she was.
Speaker A:So we cut from there to the haunted house before.
Speaker A:And Dean has apparently been on Mary's ass about her using the emf.
Speaker A:And she's just like, it's analogous.
Speaker A:Get over it.
Speaker A:Like, I figured this out, right?
Speaker B:I thought that was weird.
Speaker B:I was like, come on now.
Speaker B:And they split up, because that never goes well.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:And she gets a really strong reading on the mf.
Speaker B:And so she finds the crib room first.
Speaker B:And the light flickers and she sees the baby doll.
Speaker B:And the door slams.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean are running to find her, to meet, to.
Speaker B:To try to, you know, get in there.
Speaker B:And they have to break the door open and as.
Speaker A:Touch it.
Speaker A:It's so dirty.
Speaker A:Don't touch it.
Speaker A:It's Dirty.
Speaker B:Very dirty.
Speaker B:As this is happening, a creepy little boy up here.
Speaker B:Ghost boy appears and grabs her arm.
Speaker B:And as this is happening, Dean's swinging the crowbar to make the little ghost kid go away.
Speaker B:But Mary's already got this burned handprint on her arm.
Speaker B:And Sam is very distraught that mom got hurt.
Speaker A:And so they.
Speaker A:When they leave, they decide to leave the baby doll behind.
Speaker A:They don't have a conversation, but nobody talks about it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And they just, like, zoom in on that doll some more.
Speaker B:And then they leave.
Speaker B:And then they leave.
Speaker A:So clearly, I mean, if I was there, the first thing I would do would be smash that doll.
Speaker A:That would just be my first instinct.
Speaker A:But that's just me.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:We go from creepy doll to the motel, and the boys are hacking away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And at the motel, you know, she's.
Speaker B:She's like, well, we just need to, like, go start knocking on doors.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, wait, what?
Speaker B:And she's like, Indian's like, wait, yeah, we do that sometimes, but not very often anymore.
Speaker B:The Internet does even more.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's a computer crime.
Speaker A:Our legwork has been considerably lessened.
Speaker A:And Sam has already broken into the city's police database.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And thankfully, this.
Speaker A:Police officers.
Speaker A: zed all these reports back to: Speaker A:So nice of them to have done this for them.
Speaker A:And they do find that all these kids have died, though.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker B:They find photos and evidence of.
Speaker B:And articles about all these children that have.
Speaker B:Have died.
Speaker B:And Mary looks kind of bummed, like she's intrigued by all this, but it's like she just looks a little bummed about how this is all going.
Speaker B:And so they're like, don't worry.
Speaker B:We'll show you how to do it.
Speaker B:And she just kind of, like, fake smiles.
Speaker A:Yeah, she had.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, she had an agenda.
Speaker A:She had a plan.
Speaker A:She knew what she was gonna do and she was gonna find, you know, get her groove back, knocking on some doors, working a case.
Speaker A:But there is like, no, we're gonna do this for you.
Speaker A:So we cut from there to the vents trail.
Speaker A:And Crowley is laughing at Cass, checking out his hair in the side mirror.
Speaker B:He spends quite some time primping in that mirror.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna say it's pretty funny.
Speaker B:But they go to the door and introduce themselves as Agents Beyonce and Z and get the door slammed in their face.
Speaker B:Which, as a viewer, you're like, well, duh.
Speaker B:Those names are stupid.
Speaker A:Well, it was really.
Speaker A:Because they said it was about her brother.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:But that's really what it was.
Speaker B:That's what's even funnier.
Speaker B:It's like, I think it's the viewer.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, those names are not believable.
Speaker B:And then really, it's just because she's freaked out that the feds are looking for her brother.
Speaker B:I was like, okay, that's kind of funny.
Speaker B:I appreciated that.
Speaker B:Anyways, so Wendy, Vince's brother, is panic calling Vince, leaving him a voicemail about like, why the are there feds at my door?
Speaker B:And in the meantime, Crowley just poofs himself inside the house because he's crowly so he can do that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And so he's like, hold on.
Speaker B:Also, I'm letting in this guy.
Speaker B:And break.
Speaker B:Let's cast in.
Speaker B:And they have learned through this voicemail that Vince was there yesterday.
Speaker B:And they also look over and see a wheelchair in the corner because Wendy was wheelchair bound until Vince visited her.
Speaker B:So he healed her.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, he gave you a gift.
Speaker B:I'll take it away.
Speaker B:And he's about to snap his fingers and make her like paralyzed again until Castiel stops him, because that seems a little mean.
Speaker B:But anyways, so Cassa starts to explain that that was not her brother Vince.
Speaker B:It was something very old and evil.
Speaker B:And that it does.
Speaker B:They don't, you know, they don't want to hurt.
Speaker B:They're not try there to hurt.
Speaker B:Like try to hurt Vince.
Speaker B:They want to help him.
Speaker B:And she's like, look, he just showed up out of the blue and he fixed me, but it was really cold, so it was kind of weird.
Speaker B:And it was, you know, it was just odd.
Speaker B:And he had this groupie friend with him, some quote, red headed broad.
Speaker A:I wonder who that could be.
Speaker A:Outside, Crowley proposes that they go to Vincent's cabin where he wrote his greatest record Serpentine in Theater Mercy.
Speaker A:And Cass is like, wait a minute.
Speaker A:Did you forget to tell me about Rowena?
Speaker B:Yeah, because this means that.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, it was a little, you know, a bit embarrassing.
Speaker B:But Crowley admits that Cass was his second choice.
Speaker B:He actually got Rowena to help first with the Lucifer mission.
Speaker B:But they're.
Speaker B:They didn't do such a good job on taking him out.
Speaker B:So here we go.
Speaker B:And Cass is like, is that now?
Speaker B:Is this just a mission to save your mom?
Speaker B:Basically, Crowley is not though.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:But he also points out that it's really bad that Lucifer has a really powerful witch with questionable morals.
Speaker B:Yes, that is a problem.
Speaker B:She is willing to do offer services to the biggest bad to save her neck.
Speaker B:Because I think basically how he phrases that she's accurate.
Speaker B: n and there's a really pretty: Speaker B:But we find Vince has Rowena in a really cute, like, business suit looking outfit.
Speaker B:I don't like it anyways.
Speaker B:And she is chained up.
Speaker A:Well, I feel like that was kind of where her vibe when she was the last thing when she was going to become a Boca Raton Republican.
Speaker A:Drinking martinis.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But she's also kept.
Speaker A:Managed to keep her straight hair, which instead of going to the curly and it's so cute and there's no frizz, even though any of this is going on, which is.
Speaker A:He wants to know if she has any beauty spells in her head.
Speaker A:And like, look at her.
Speaker A:She doesn't need beauty spells.
Speaker A:She's Rowena.
Speaker B:So he's like, look, somebody's got to help my vessel from like falling apart.
Speaker B:Here, this is.
Speaker B:And she's like, what, you want me to make it permanent and something strong enough to hold you?
Speaker B:Is that what you're asking for?
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, yeah, but.
Speaker B:She's like, yeah, but I don't have the Book of the Damned anymore, so sorry.
Speaker B:And anyway, so he's like.
Speaker B:He's like, whatever.
Speaker B:You don't need that book.
Speaker B:And by the way, if you.
Speaker B:You're too good for that, you don't need that.
Speaker B:You can do it on your own.
Speaker B:But also, if you don't do it, I might just snap your neck and rip your head off.
Speaker A:And this time I'm going to rip your head off and you're not going to be able to come back for it.
Speaker A:So it's very violent.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So back in the motel, Sam has found the Scandinavian mylings, which he says are vengeful spirits, children's spirits, their cries to help lure adults to their death.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But he doesn't say find anything about frozen hearts.
Speaker A:And he says, we all know lore isn't a hundred percent.
Speaker A:I mean, Maybe yours isn't 100, but mine is.
Speaker A:So here is lore.
Speaker A:So my ling or my lingen or my linger in Swedish translates to murderling or murdered small child.
Speaker A:They are called in Norwegian, in Icelandic, and some unpronounceable words.
Speaker A:In Finnish, the word has a double meaning.
Speaker A:The prefix ut can mean both out and extra, which is similar to the English uses of out, like an outhouse and outcast, or outrun and outdone versus outbreak, which has both meanings.
Speaker A:So out can mean like a lot of things.
Speaker A:And so that's what it means so.
Speaker A:And the Norwegian verb bird can mean born or birth and or burden.
Speaker A:And so the combined name, it means outborne birth or extra burden, which is not a great thing.
Speaker A:It's not as bad as I think murdered small child, though.
Speaker A:It's kind of a little more on point.
Speaker A:So already dark.
Speaker A:But bottom line is, if a child is killed before it was baptized and or not buried in concentrated ground, it comes back as a creature that cries a lot and wants to either be named, be buried in a holy place, or in just in general, rip people to shreds.
Speaker A:The child's death was usually caused by a mother who could not keep the child for whatever reason.
Speaker A:For example, you know, it could be it was out, was born outside, it was going to be born outside of matrimony.
Speaker A:She had too many children already.
Speaker A:It was really ugly.
Speaker A:Just a lot of reasons that they would just leave their children out.
Speaker A:Abandoned and left to die in forests.
Speaker A:The early Norse Christians made laws to specifically prohibit the disposal of unwanted children.
Speaker A:It was such a problem.
Speaker A:So in.
Speaker A:So once you do like the murder of a chai small child, in this case, you have to hide the corpse.
Speaker A:So the corpse would be hidden somewhere like a bug or the forest.
Speaker A:And that's why there would be like spirits trying to lure people to the forest by the crying.
Speaker A:Sometimes they cry for as many years as they would have lived if they had not been murdered, which is a very bizarre number.
Speaker B:That is a weird number, isn't it?
Speaker B:So they were going to live to be 50.
Speaker B:They would.
Speaker B:And they died at 2.
Speaker B:They would cry for 48 more years.
Speaker A:Yeah, but how would you know?
Speaker A:It's just a weird fate thing.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So they do look like creep, pale, creepy little ghost children.
Speaker A:And sometimes they have that distorted ghost face and they're often transparent.
Speaker A:They have been described as being emaciated or up to show how they died.
Speaker A:They can also be saved by giving them names if they were unnamed or if they were buried, not buried in holy ground.
Speaker A:If you bury them in holy ground, that can rescue them from their fate.
Speaker A:In some versions, they do sing of their fates and name their parents so they can be punished.
Speaker A:And I hate creepy singing ghost children and snakes.
Speaker A:Snitching singing ghost children is even worse.
Speaker A:And so, you know, they're just sitting here being like, Brenda and Paul.
Speaker A:They're the ones who put me under the ground.
Speaker A:I can't rhyme that.
Speaker A:But, but.
Speaker A:And it's all like ring around the rosie too.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But there really are so many versions of these stories in another Version, they jump on travelers backs and they demand to be piggyback rid.
Speaker A:Piggyback to the holy graveyard.
Speaker A:And then as a person gets near the graveyard, like they become incre.
Speaker A:Heavier.
Speaker A:So the increased weight causes the person to collapse.
Speaker A:And then the myelin just eats them.
Speaker A:But if you make it to the cemetery, the myelin kills you and eats you anyway.
Speaker A:So you can't really win if the myelin jumps on you.
Speaker A:If the myelin finds their actual mother, they will tear out their breasts with their claws or kill the mother through breastfeeding.
Speaker B:That's distressing.
Speaker A:That is a distressing thing to think about.
Speaker A:It sure is very distressing.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:The last tidbit about this, about these, these creatures.
Speaker A:If the mother bear.
Speaker A:Oh no, I've got.
Speaker A:I've got two more.
Speaker A:So this one, if the mother marries, when the wedding dance starts, a voice will come up through the floor.
Speaker A:Vessels are narrow, legs are long.
Speaker A:And I want to dance again.
Speaker A:Then the ghost child rises from the floor and dances the mom to death.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:I want to dance again.
Speaker A:No, that kid.
Speaker A:Like, I would just be like, yeah, no, that poor ghost child just getting kids across the room.
Speaker A:But okay, so.
Speaker A:Oh, one last thing.
Speaker A:There's another kind of version of these things called the natural menar.
Speaker A:And that is instead of turning into ghosts, the dead children turn into ravens.
Speaker A:And they're only visible at night.
Speaker A:They fly west to east and they never get closer to the ground than the height of an ox.
Speaker A:I'm not, not sure which ox is the standard ox height, but that's as low as they can go.
Speaker A:And they sound like an old wagon wheel creaking when they fly, which I just think is.
Speaker A:There's also a picture and a book of like this raven with like a little child head.
Speaker A:And it's very terrifying.
Speaker B:That's distressing too.
Speaker A:That is awesome.
Speaker B:So it's like a raven with a kid's head with their kids, but that only flies like four feet above the ground.
Speaker A:That's like next to your car, right?
Speaker A:So it's just like you're driving at night.
Speaker A:You just look over and you just.
Speaker B:See this little right next to you.
Speaker B:Little kid looks at you flapping his little wings.
Speaker A:That's terrifying.
Speaker B:It is terrifying.
Speaker B:Holy.
Speaker A:Yeah, those are.
Speaker A:Those are the mylings.
Speaker A:And that's what Sam thinks that these.
Speaker B:These little creepy boy.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't like that.
Speaker A:But Mary's just like.
Speaker A:I don't think it's like a creepy thing.
Speaker A:I think it just wanted to help it just didn't want to hurt me.
Speaker A:It was just scared.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She thinks little boy was just scared.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, that it marked you just like it did the woman that was killed.
Speaker B:So maybe not.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, whatever.
Speaker B:We just need to go assault and burn all these kids that were dead.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:We found the names.
Speaker B:We found out whose kids are.
Speaker B:Let's just go assault and burn them.
Speaker A:All, because that doesn't look off at all.
Speaker A:Let's just go dig up a bunch of little kids graves.
Speaker A:No big even notice that.
Speaker B:Not sketch at all.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And Mary's like, okay, well, I'm not convinced, but that's fine.
Speaker B:But instead, I'm gonna have a vision.
Speaker B:And it includes this little boy saying, help me to her.
Speaker B:And she has to sit down.
Speaker B:And they're worried.
Speaker B:They're like, look, you stay here with this iPhone that you don't know how to use in the motel room by yourself, and we're gonna go salt and burn all these bones, even though you don't think that's the right answer.
Speaker B:Okay, bye.
Speaker A:She also then does play this off.
Speaker B:Like a true win.
Speaker B:She does.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm fine.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:Totally fine.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And she's like, okay, I have a phone.
Speaker B:And so she is going to call the.
Speaker B:The land.
Speaker B:She used the landline, though, not the iPhone.
Speaker B:But she's going to call the county deed office and looks for the last owner of this house.
Speaker B:And they're like, can you use the website like everyone else thought was funny?
Speaker B:She's like, I'm not.
Speaker B:But anyways, they give her the info because she gets on the phone with this woman who describes the little boy to a T.
Speaker A:And everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we know that it's Lucas, and that's the.
Speaker A:The scary little boy that Mary's been seeing.
Speaker A:And Mary does apologize for dredging things up.
Speaker A:And Cheryl, the mom, is like, it's just kind of nice.
Speaker A:Nobody talks on the phone anymore.
Speaker B:That's your favorite.
Speaker A:It's my favorite.
Speaker A:Not talking on the phone, so.
Speaker B:But either way.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then she's.
Speaker B:And the woman's like.
Speaker B:The mom's like, I just never understood how Lucas got so cold.
Speaker B:I don't know what happened, but apparently.
Speaker B:Apparently Lucas was very cold.
Speaker B:And that's when he died.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So basically, like, he almost like, he got so, like, cold.
Speaker A:Ghost cold or something.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's like, okay, we still don't really understand what's going on.
Speaker A:And so we go to the cemetery where the boys are having the moment over.
Speaker A:Burning a child's corpse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's Lucas.
Speaker B:It's Lucas's bones, everyone.
Speaker A:Like, he's all boned out.
Speaker A:Not all fleshy at this point, but still, it's like it's a child Gold.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But no, that doesn't seem to affect him that much.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But Sam is worried.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sam's worried about Mary.
Speaker B:And Dean is not.
Speaker B:He's like, whatever.
Speaker B:This is a good thing.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, she's obviously struggling.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker B:And she's just throwing herself.
Speaker A:I'm thinking about this too.
Speaker A:Like, I think part of it is the way that Mary got presented to Dean and the way that she got presented to Sam.
Speaker A:Because it really was.
Speaker A:He was told, I'm giving you a gift.
Speaker A:And then it was, poof, here's Mary.
Speaker A:Mary.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And Sam was like, I'm.
Speaker A:My brother is dead.
Speaker A:And then like, oh, my brother's not dead.
Speaker A:And here is my mom.
Speaker A:So I think they, like, probably have not only just the expectations of Mary, but I think just kind of like the Dean uses automatically as a gift.
Speaker A:And Sam is just like, I'm looking this gift horse in the mouth.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And then also the relationship's completely different because Sam doesn't really have any memories of Mary.
Speaker B:Real childhood memories, truly.
Speaker B:Because she died when he was so young.
Speaker B:He was a baby.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And Dean still has the nostalgia.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Dean's romanticize his entire relationship with her.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's also.
Speaker B:It's a super not realistic dynamic on all parts.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But Sam doesn't point out that she's burying herself and hunting and.
Speaker A:Which is something also a Winchester does.
Speaker A:So Mary.
Speaker A:Mary's fit.
Speaker A:Like, Mary doesn't think like she belongs.
Speaker A:She is fitting in quite well with the Winchesters.
Speaker B:Yes, she is.
Speaker B:She's doing what they all do.
Speaker B:And they get back to the motel and of course they find that she is gone because she has taken herself with.
Speaker B:And the weapons bag to the.
Speaker B:To the abandoned house.
Speaker A:Now, they'd only had that duffel bag being marked out for ghosts.
Speaker A:It'd be so much easier.
Speaker A:You know, she's having to go through that.
Speaker A:Having to shove out.
Speaker A:They're just still not organized.
Speaker A:But so she has found a cr.
Speaker A:She somehow found a crowbar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so she's got.
Speaker B:Walking around with that.
Speaker B:With that.
Speaker B:If she puts the bag down and she's trying to talk to Lucas and explain to him that she's talked to his mommy.
Speaker B:Aw.
Speaker B:And that mommy misses.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker A:Mommy misses you so much.
Speaker A:And then he's just like, there's a door.
Speaker B:And it's the blocked door to the basement.
Speaker B:So she prized the board off of it.
Speaker B:Which is never a good start.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:The board.
Speaker B:The door has been boarded up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The basement's been boarded up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker B:And she goes down to the basement, and Lucas is already down there because.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:And she asks him why they're down there.
Speaker B:And he points at a blank corner.
Speaker B:And then the phone rings.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:Because they're like, where the are you?
Speaker A:And they're like, we have salted and burned all these children.
Speaker A:And she's like, that didn't work.
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, so that was that.
Speaker A:We just did that thing for nothing.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:So much manual labor.
Speaker A:Talk about traumatizing a bunch of families.
Speaker B:That all these bodies are like, why are all our kids.
Speaker A:They're like, why did you.
Speaker A:What happened to my child?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:And not to mention, we know what happens to ghosts when they're burned.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And we'll get to that in here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:So those are a bunch of little kids.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's little kid souls.
Speaker A:So by.
Speaker A:Anyway, so the boys go running back to the house.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But we get to kind of.
Speaker A:We don't get to, like, figure this out because we've got to go to Vince's first.
Speaker B:And we gotta go to Vince's cabin where Rowena has drawn a sigil on his chest with ash from a hawthorne tree.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:Apparently, it is a Druidic glyph with a combination of something from the Book of the Damned and Celtic.
Speaker B:Celtic magic.
Speaker B:It's her own design.
Speaker B:So this is Rowena's own magic mojo going on.
Speaker B:And he's, like, kind of pissed because he's like.
Speaker B:Because she's like, well, this should work.
Speaker B:And Vince is like, should.
Speaker B:He gets all fucking cranky.
Speaker B:She's like, what the fuck ever are you talking about?
Speaker B:This is uncharted territory that you want forever.
Speaker B:So trust me, this is going to last.
Speaker B:Whatever it is, it's going to last.
Speaker B:And she's got, like, the giant.
Speaker B:The most ginormous, like, smudge stick I've seen in my life.
Speaker A:She's like, watch me do some, you know, like, cultural program.
Speaker A:Like, I've got my sludge stick here, like, which is the start edge.
Speaker A:And then she's like, I'm going to call you a Swiss watch.
Speaker A:Brand.
Speaker A:And she's like, faustina, that really is a Swiss watch brand.
Speaker A:I think it's funny.
Speaker A:And so she says that.
Speaker A:And then, oh, this isn't slowing down his aging process.
Speaker A:This is speeding it up.
Speaker B:So she is speeding up the decay.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker B:And there had been a crack earlier.
Speaker B:He's like, I look like Keith Richards.
Speaker B:She's like, you thought Keith Richards was bad?
Speaker B:This is Iggy Pop.
Speaker B:Or try Iggy Pop.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, that's real.
Speaker A:Oh, that's just really mean to.
Speaker A:I was just like, this is really mean to Iggy Pop.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And frankly, Iggy Pop does look better than Keith Richards.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker A:I just saw it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:I just saw.
Speaker A:I saw Iggy Pop, like, recently in the last year.
Speaker A:And he's still strutting.
Speaker A:And he can strut better than Keith Richards, I'd say.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:Agreed.
Speaker B:That's why I was like, this is bullshit.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Vince calls her a quote, ginger bitch and says that she can't destroy him.
Speaker B:She's like, you're right, I can't.
Speaker B:But not yet.
Speaker B:But I can send you far away.
Speaker B:Try finding a vessel at the bottom of the bloody ocean.
Speaker A:And she poofs it.
Speaker A:She poofs him away.
Speaker B:Poofs gone.
Speaker B:So that's just pretty clever.
Speaker B:Go Arena.
Speaker B:If it works, we'll see.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyways, so Mary's in the basement talking to Lucas, like, what's keeping him there?
Speaker B:And he says him.
Speaker B:As he points to this nothing in the corner.
Speaker B:And then the house starts shaking and she's trying to run.
Speaker B:And as she gets upstairs, she sees her cold breath and a man there.
Speaker B:A man ghost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we finally get an apparition, and it's the first girl's father.
Speaker A:And he, like, when he appears, he starts to freeze her.
Speaker A:But the boys show up, but that's.
Speaker A:It's too late because Mary is possessed.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, Mary's possessed.
Speaker B:And he tries to freeze her.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:But for.
Speaker B:He ends up possessing her instead.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:So she's hits Dean and she knocks the.
Speaker B:Out of Dean, actually.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, what the.
Speaker B:And she flings him because they've got chains.
Speaker B:They're trying to capture the apparition inside of her.
Speaker B:And she says some real creepy.
Speaker B:In a creepy voice.
Speaker B:And I don't like it.
Speaker B:And she starts choking and freezing deep.
Speaker A:Yeah, they keep talking.
Speaker A:She's like, talking about my house, my children, is.
Speaker A:It's not fun.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:But they're just telling.
Speaker A:Fight it, mom.
Speaker B:And so she drops Dean and she's like, go to the basement.
Speaker B:So Sam runs down to the basement and Dean's trying to like, get the chain again.
Speaker B:But this ghost.
Speaker B:Ghost dad takes back over and flings him around and he says, mommy's gone.
Speaker A:It's so creepy.
Speaker B:And I don't like him.
Speaker A:No, no, Mommy's gone.
Speaker B:So anyways, Sam finds Lucas, who points to the wall again.
Speaker B:Only while this.
Speaker B:And while this has.
Speaker B:While this is happening, like, Dean's upstairs, point a shotgun at Mary, but she.
Speaker B:He's not gonna shoot her.
Speaker B:Anyway, Sam opens the wall up, though.
Speaker B:He figures out to pull the wood off the wall, and behind it is a skeleton.
Speaker B:And so while he's discovering the skeleton, Dean gets a chain around Mary.
Speaker B:Sam burns the bones.
Speaker B:GH pops out of Mary and starts burning.
Speaker B:And a bunch of ghost kids appear.
Speaker B:Y.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Yeah, but at least like.
Speaker A:So now like, these are all the children who didn't get their bone.
Speaker A:Didn't go like.
Speaker A:Like that guy did.
Speaker A:So the guy who's burned, burns.
Speaker A:His bones are being burned and he's getting the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I'm getting sent to wherever treatment.
Speaker B:The nothing.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:To the.
Speaker A:To the.
Speaker A:The nothingness.
Speaker A:And then you've got.
Speaker A:And then the little kids, like, now that they're here, then they get kind of like the send off to heaven.
Speaker A:They get the glowy soul thing.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:So if that had not worked, you would have burned up all those little kids souls?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Doesn't that seem up?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:It just seems to me, like.
Speaker B:Seems very high risk and confusing.
Speaker A:I. I question your ethics on this.
Speaker A:I don't know what your ghost children ethics are, Sam and Dean, but y' all need to think about this.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:All right, so we've got.
Speaker A:The kids have gone off.
Speaker A:Lucas is last.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But we cut to Vince's cabin.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Castiel and Crowley have arrived.
Speaker B:And Rowena is still there sipping some tea.
Speaker B:She's like, you just miss.
Speaker B:You just missed Lucifer.
Speaker B:And you know, she.
Speaker B:She loathes him.
Speaker B:She helped take him out.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah, but she was like the FBI pants, so they want her to join up.
Speaker A:And she was like, I can't because I'm not wearing a pantsuit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which.
Speaker A:Which I appreciate because also, I will never wear a pantsuit ever again.
Speaker B:Did she say it's not.
Speaker B:Not in her hex bag?
Speaker A:It's not in her hex bag.
Speaker A:But she does say that if they get.
Speaker A:If they get Lucifer cornered, she is there to Help take him out.
Speaker A:So at least we have that.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So back at the bunker, Sam, Dean and Mary are talking, and Dean apologizes for hijacking and then sidelining Mary in her own case because she kicked ass.
Speaker B:And he's like, you're right.
Speaker B:The kids are innocent.
Speaker B:She's like, gabby also had to save me.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And she explains what happened because she saw inside Moriarty the.
Speaker B:The dad.
Speaker B:The ghost dad.
Speaker A:Ghost dad.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker A:That's also terrifying.
Speaker B:And it is.
Speaker B:She saw inside him why he was like that.
Speaker B:He lost his child.
Speaker B:His child died, and he went mad and buried himself alive inside the wall of the basement.
Speaker B:And then he coveted all the future children that lived in the house, so he would kill them to keep them there.
Speaker A:To bind their spirits to him forever.
Speaker A:So creepy.
Speaker A:That is creepy.
Speaker A:But then we go from creepy to.
Speaker A:This episode is gonna end on a bummer note.
Speaker A:Like, did you think this wasn't.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker A:Were the creepy children?
Speaker B:Not bad enough.
Speaker A:Let's talk about what Mary's about to tell the boys.
Speaker A:So she tells Dean that she's not bad home.
Speaker B:She's not home.
Speaker B:She doesn't feel at home.
Speaker B:She misses John and she misses her boys.
Speaker B:They are not her boys.
Speaker B:Her boys are still small children.
Speaker B:These are not the boys that I know.
Speaker B:We were all together in heaven, and now that's all gone.
Speaker B:And every moment here reminds me of what I've lost or missed.
Speaker A:This is very.
Speaker A:Does remind me a lot of when Buffy got brought back from.
Speaker A:From the afterlife.
Speaker A:And she's going through, like.
Speaker A:I think I also just have the soundtrack stuck in my head right now where she's like, you know, there was no.
Speaker A:There was no doubt.
Speaker A:There was no fear whatever while she was up.
Speaker A:Until you pulled me out of heaven.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so you have.
Speaker A:But we also know that heaven is a construct that was made by these angels.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So she was in an angel construct of a heaven, but she prefers that to this reality that she's in right now.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker B:But she might not know all that detail.
Speaker A:I know she doesn't know all that detail, but I know that detail.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know if it was that much.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe not.
Speaker A:Well, I don't know.
Speaker A:It's just the.
Speaker A:The questionable, you know, like, is a red pill, blue pill type situation, too, but, you know, it's the.
Speaker A:Which what she's missing isn't even really what she.
Speaker A:Her real life was.
Speaker B:No, it's not though.
Speaker A:I don't know, like.
Speaker A:You know, like.
Speaker A:But it.
Speaker A:Either way, there's.
Speaker A:What would that do to your psyche, right?
Speaker A:To have been in your perfect place and then to have your perfect place.
Speaker B:Not be real ripped out of you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But honey didn't clear her head like you thought it would.
Speaker A:Because she also didn't hunt like she was.
Speaker A:Her expectations were not met.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So she has to go.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I'm so sorry.
Speaker B:I just need a little time.
Speaker B:And she doesn't even pack.
Speaker B:She just takes.
Speaker B:She doesn't.
Speaker B:She just takes her.
Speaker B:The journal.
Speaker B:She just steals the journal.
Speaker B:She steals the journal.
Speaker B:Dean won't look at her.
Speaker B:She hugs Sam, she tells them that she loves them both.
Speaker B:And she leaves.
Speaker B:She just leaves the bunker with the journal.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Again, I think she's such a Winchester.
Speaker B:Such a Winchester.
Speaker B:We thought she was the good one.
Speaker B:No offense.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:We had hopes for Mary, but no.
Speaker B:Hunting just brings out the worst in these Winchester parents, doesn't it?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, maybe.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:We have to question both of the Winchester's parents at this point.
Speaker A:So do we have any cast to talk about?
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker C:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker C:La la la la la la la la la la la la.
Speaker B:We do.
Speaker B:So we've got a few folks.
Speaker B:We've got first, Wendy, the Vince's sister was played by Nancy Kerr.
Speaker B:She's been in episodes of Mad about you, X Files, man in the High Castle, Superman Tracker and so helped me taught a few times.
Speaker B:Hugo Moriarty, our ghost dad was played by Cameron Grierson.
Speaker B:He's actually done a lot of script and continuity work on tv.
Speaker B:Specifically on a series called When Calls the Heart.
Speaker B:But kind of interesting other work in the field.
Speaker B:But he's been in episodes of Frequency Magicians, Izombie, Yellow Jackets and Snowpiercer.
Speaker B:Lucas.
Speaker B:Our ghost child, creepy ghost kid was played by Christian Convery.
Speaker B:He's been episodes of Van Helsing, Legion and Lucifer.
Speaker B:He also did all has done a lot of Hallmark Christmas movies.
Speaker B:He was squeaky in the movie Descendants 3.
Speaker B:Henry in Cocaine Bear.
Speaker B:He's Gus in Sweet Tooth, the series about a couple dozen episodes of that.
Speaker B: r Frankenstein in The new the: Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker B:Nat, who dies in the beginning is played by Adila Dasani.
Speaker B:She's been in episodes of Lucifer, Supergirl, Zoo, Good Doctor and Chilling Adventures of Sabrina.
Speaker B:She also is it was Amanda reoccurring character in the Nancy Drew series.
Speaker B:And our coroner was played by Nikolai Witchell.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of X Files, Once Upon a Time man in the High Castle, Supergirl Eye Zombie, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Snowpiercer, Schmigadoon, Yellow Jackets, Fire Country, Superman and Lois, and more.
Speaker B:He was the.
Speaker B:Oh, gosh, what do they call it?
Speaker B:Malicious fairy or ominous fairy.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:In the Magicians multiple times, he was an orderly, orderly fry.
Speaker B:In Deadpool 2, he's Rudolph.
Speaker B:And welcome to Marvin the Movie and the doctor Curdle in Riverdale for over a couple dozen episodes.
Speaker A:Yeah, very cool.
Speaker A:So, yeah, like I said right before, you know, this episode quickly.
Speaker A:Not that it wasn't already a bummer, Ghost Kids.
Speaker B:And it's kind of like.
Speaker B:It's kind of like the whole dynamic is so awkward with them all hunting together.
Speaker A:But what the score, like, the score I felt like was trying to turn it from something that was really dark and disturbing into something that was a little lighter.
Speaker A:Just because there was like, so much of, like, the xylophone type things.
Speaker A:And so, like, did they intend for this to be a lighter episode than it was?
Speaker B:It was almost like a kitschy, campy score.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:And then we, you know, so then we do that and we get like, the partridges.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So are they trying to.
Speaker A:Was it supposed to be campier and funnier than it ended up being?
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:Because you got the Partridges, you got the Beyonce, you got the, you know, the.
Speaker B:The zoom in on this, like, goofy ass, like, creepy doll.
Speaker A:So you think the zoom in on the baby was supposed to be funny?
Speaker B:I mean, it had to be, right?
Speaker B:I mean, I thought it was creepy because the scene was set creepy and I'm a wuss, but I think it had to be.
Speaker B:And, like, because it was kind of like, really, when they showed it, I was like, really?
Speaker B:Especially the second time, I'm like, okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, the fact that it kept going back there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:I. I didn't see any.
Speaker A:I'll keep looking.
Speaker A:I didn't see any commentary from either singer or barons on this.
Speaker A:But maybe there's something in there that explains what.
Speaker A:But if they were trying to do that, I think it failed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because it didn't hit the mark.
Speaker B:Because it was still, like.
Speaker B:It was still kind of like a bummer.
Speaker B:You got dead kids and you got like, dead kids, bones being burned.
Speaker B:And then you've got mom being left behind in this Awkward ass dynamic.
Speaker B:And then she leaves.
Speaker B:It's like, well, this is kind of a bummer, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it's is also.
Speaker A:I don't know, Comedy on the show is hard when Sam and Dean aren't really participating, when they're not really them.
Speaker A:They weren't really the main character there.
Speaker A:I think there's a cup, you know, a number of reasons maybe why that it didn't land beyond just, you know, the script.
Speaker A:Wasn't the script, was it?
Speaker A:I mean, I kind of feel like maybe some stuff was cut.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'd be interested to see what was cut out of this episode.
Speaker B:I think that would make a difference.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it ends with, we'll see what happens.
Speaker A:Mary is off on her own.
Speaker A:Rowena has gone off on her own again, but she's fine.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:She's always got her stuff on par.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:We've got.
Speaker A:Crowley and Cass are still paired off doing their thing.
Speaker A:So that should be a fun team.
Speaker B:Adventure, a dynamic duo.
Speaker A:That is a dynamic duo.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anything else to say on this?
Speaker B:Nope, that's it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky that's where I'm gonna go when I die When I die and they lay me the rest I'm gonna go to the place.
