2:12 Nightshifter
Talking about Supernatural Season 2, Episode 12 Nightshifter. Learn if Heather Tallchief got to have sex magick and opulence! Hear about shifters being shifty. And whether or not when you return to the office, if your ceiling will be full of bodies.
CGI effects video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3VL2BTmY9E
Select Sources:
- Crime Reads. "The Most Wanted Woman in America." https://crimereads.com/the-most-wanted-woman-in-america/.
- Dateline "The Perfect Heist." October 21, 2005.
- NBC News. "Title of the Article." https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9766179.
- Netflix. Heist. 2021.
- Newsweek. "Heist: Netflix, Heather Tallchief, Roberto Solis True Story Facts Documentary." https://www.newsweek.com/heist-netflix-heather-tallchief-roberto-solis-true-story-facts-documentary-1610361.
- Newspapers.com. "Title of the Article." https://www.newspapers.com/image/719876388/?terms=heather%20tallchief&match=1. The Independent, 05 Feb 1997.
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about season two, episode 12, shifters being shifty, Sex, Magic and Opulence, Ronald's Murder, Alien Wall.
Speaker B:And when you go back to the office post pandemic, will your ceilings be full of bodies?
Speaker B:Let's do.
Speaker A:Sa.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And this week we're talking season two, episode 12, Night Shifter.
Speaker B:It seems like an 80s song.
Speaker A:It does sound like an 80s song for sure.
Speaker B:Or like an 80 or an 80s TV show.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like Knight Rider, the sequel.
Speaker B:It's Night Shifter and he's got a car and he has to shift it because it's a.
Speaker B:Sorry, that's a terrible joke.
Speaker B:And I'll stop now.
Speaker B:How's your.
Speaker B:How's your week?
Speaker B:How are things?
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:Just staying busy.
Speaker A:Had some enjoyed some good pool time in our crazy hot Texas summer weekend and saw some badass lowriders on Jefferson Boulevard and Oak Cliff.
Speaker A:On Sunday night.
Speaker A:There was a cruise after a big lowrider car show and so it was pretty wild.
Speaker A:It was good times though, for sure.
Speaker B:Wild.
Speaker B:So wild.
Speaker A:So wild.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was cool.
Speaker A:It was cool.
Speaker A:It's like a mile stretch.
Speaker A:A mile stretch of road took like 30 minutes each way to go because it was like so many people cruising.
Speaker A:If you were not intending to go watch a lowrider cruise, it was probably quite irritating.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:I just got the goddamn car down.
Speaker B:I just need to get to the store.
Speaker A:Why are their doors opened straight up like that?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And a couple of people I know actually were at a movie at Texas Theater, which is a.
Speaker A:Actually where they arrested Lee Harvey, but it's on Jefferson Boulevard and there's.
Speaker A:It's like an art house movie theater.
Speaker A:And people were like randomly seen a movie and you get out and you're like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker A:Between the time I went in and out.
Speaker A:But an exciting news.
Speaker A:I also did observe while I was there that while we all know 90s fashion is kind of on the rise again, it's pretty popular.
Speaker A:Like, you see a lot of 90s inspired stuff that also applies to cholo and chola lifestyle culture, fashion.
Speaker A:I was quite pleased to see that.
Speaker B:I am happy to hopefully return to the sharpie eyebrow.
Speaker B:We all need a good sharpie eyebrow.
Speaker A:I didn't see sharpie eyebrows, but there was definitely like the high waist, low wide leg pants with some kicking, some Nike Cortez on and like, yeah, it was Pretty sweet.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:I'm a fan of that style.
Speaker B:So I'm just like, look.
Speaker A:It's a great look.
Speaker B:I think it is.
Speaker B:It's classic.
Speaker B:It's timeless.
Speaker B:I mean, everybody loves a good wife beater or whatever.
Speaker B:I'm sure we're not supposed to say that anymore.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:A shirtless.
Speaker B:It's an A shirt.
Speaker A:Ribbed a shirt, I think is what it's called.
Speaker B:That sounds like a condom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I did absolutely nothing all weekend because I have so much to do that I just overwhelmed myself to the point where I can't, like, focus on anything.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've got, like.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I've got research into crazy cyber shit I have to do in, like, a week.
Speaker B:And, like, so many, like, work.
Speaker B:Like, work is just killing me.
Speaker B:And I'm trying to get to my Vegas trip and next week to go to hacker summer camp, which is like, everybody's all up at arms now because of all the new changing shit and blah.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's all very stressful.
Speaker B:So instead I just did nothing.
Speaker B:I was like, I can't.
Speaker A:I just know the stress shutdown is real, man.
Speaker A:I've been there where you're like, I've got.
Speaker A:I've got all of these things to do.
Speaker A:I cannot bring myself to do any of them, so I'm going to do none.
Speaker B:I did today, though, as Diana, because I told her shocking that I had in my.
Speaker B:My first dermatology skin check to make sure that my absol.
Speaker B:Terrible heritage has not given me skin cancer yet.
Speaker B:And the doctor was like, sunscreen.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, of course.
Speaker B:He was like.
Speaker A:Looked at me.
Speaker B:He's like, you don't wear sunscreen.
Speaker B:I'm like, fuck off.
Speaker B:How do you do?
Speaker B:And I'm like, I wear sunscreen on my face.
Speaker B:Like, I always like.
Speaker B:But, you know.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I put sunscreen on my tattoos, the important thing.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So I saved this.
Speaker B:I did not.
Speaker B:I wanted to tell you this earlier today, but I was saving it because I was like, this is.
Speaker B:This is just too good.
Speaker B:So I'm leaving the parking lot, and while I'm leaving, one Diana is texting me videos of possums.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, that came later.
Speaker B:But I was like, I can't watch the possum video while I drive.
Speaker B: hat said, and this came in at: Speaker B:And I'm just going to read it word for word, just making sure you didn't call me from jail.
Speaker B:Had call from some county jail inmate call cut off at end.
Speaker B:So don't know who.
Speaker B:Not your brother.
Speaker B:So there's many things that come out of that.
Speaker B:Like, dad did not sound upset.
Speaker B:He did not sound surprised.
Speaker B:He was just like, are you in jail?
Speaker B:And the better part is that he checked with my brother first.
Speaker B:Have we evolved in our standing in this family that I am now least likely the one to end up in county?
Speaker A:Apparently so.
Speaker A:Apparently so.
Speaker B:I am now like, I get my dermatology skin checks once a year.
Speaker A:I'm being responsible and getting like going to doctor's appointments just for getting checkups.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:And preventative.
Speaker B:I'm getting preventative care.
Speaker B:And no, I'm not in.
Speaker B:Not a county, dad.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:And I was just like, nope.
Speaker B:And he was like, okay.
Speaker B:So then I'm wondering about the poor person who's in county who called the wrong number and is probably sitting there.
Speaker B:Like, did they like realize when it.
Speaker B:Once it got to the voicemail.
Speaker B:That's why the.
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker B:But it let it go to.
Speaker B:I'm assuming after watching a thousand crime shows.
Speaker B:Hi, this is a collect call from the Bexar County Corrections Office.
Speaker B:You know, like something exactly like that.
Speaker B:And I also want to be like, dad, I'm not calling you if I'm in jail.
Speaker B:Like, I'm just not.
Speaker B:Although like the one time that I went to the Dallas drug tank, like the only phone number I knew by heart was my parents house number.
Speaker B:And I'm like, nope.
Speaker B:Sitting in jail.
Speaker B:Like not calling a goddamn person.
Speaker B:I will just sit here until tomorrow.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:But this is something you don't think.
Speaker A:About, like how many phone numbers you have memorized.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They take your phone and you're like, I don't know.
Speaker B:They also take the laces to your shoes and a corset if you.
Speaker B:I was not wearing the corset this time.
Speaker B:Surprisingly, there is another woman in the joint tank and they, they took all the laces out of her corset top.
Speaker B:And so the, the corset kept like falling down like while she's in there.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:And it's also really cold.
Speaker B:And if you've ever been a jump tank, it's real cold.
Speaker B:I don't know why they keep it.
Speaker B:Like, I guess it's good that they have air conditioning since half of like prisons and jails in the United States don't.
Speaker B:So I really can't.
Speaker B:But there's nothing worse.
Speaker B:I'm trying.
Speaker A:They don't want to smell it being hot.
Speaker B:Probably they're Just like these bitches, like in the drunk tank or.
Speaker B:Yeah, but there was also only like two other people in there.
Speaker B:It was very, very big.
Speaker B:Speaking of drunk tanks, what are you drinking?
Speaker A:I'm drinking Whitehaven, which is my go to affordable, Easy Software Costco Jug 1.
Speaker A:It is better than my Costco branded.
Speaker A:They actually it's pretty nice one, though they do sometimes have it at Costco for sale.
Speaker A:I'm a big fan of my favorites.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is mostly just because I forgot.
Speaker A:Mostly because I forgot to put my good stuff in the fridge.
Speaker B:Yes, I'm very excited.
Speaker B:Okay, you guys who are watching the audio, listening to the audio, you're not going to see this, but we'll post a picture.
Speaker A:Boom, she got it.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:It's the Brothers Bond.
Speaker B:I am drinking Brothers Bond straight bourbon whiskey.
Speaker B:And why do I have this bourbon, Diana?
Speaker A:Because it is the product of our favorite vampire brothers.
Speaker B:Oh, Vladdy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I knew I was gonna work Vladdy into this podcast somehow.
Speaker B:I learned that term this week and I'm very excited about it.
Speaker B:But yes, Ian and Paul, who are also known as the Salvatore brothers in the Vampire Diaries, have, much like our brothers from Supernatural have also gone.
Speaker B:Well, I guess they didn't go in.
Speaker A:Together, but gone into the booze business.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ian and Paul like bourbon, apparently bonded them together.
Speaker B:And it's made in Texas, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I don't know if it's made in Texas, but the company is based in Dallas.
Speaker B:Yeah, the company is based in Dallas.
Speaker B:I think the bourbon's made somewhere else.
Speaker B:It probably says on here.
Speaker B:I know, I read like a bunch of articles on it and I can't remember, but it's fairly good.
Speaker B:I'm drinking a bourbon mule.
Speaker B:Because if I.
Speaker B:Drinking a straight bourbon on the call on this podcast.
Speaker B:Not a great idea.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's exciting.
Speaker A:One of your local spots, dude.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, I went, okay, one after going to get my adult health check.
Speaker B:Then I went to a liquor store at 11 o' clock in the morning and went in there with the sole purpose of looking for this.
Speaker B:And I seen on their website that they had it there.
Speaker B:Walk right in, and there's a giant fucking display of it right by the cash register.
Speaker B:And I was like, score.
Speaker B:And as I picked it up and like, thank you.
Speaker B:That went straight in the basket.
Speaker B:And then I went and bought wine, too, because I.
Speaker A:Hot vampire bourbon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I really kind of wanted to have the conversation, but I also, like, had to get.
Speaker B:I had to get back and go to work.
Speaker B:I was just like, do you know why?
Speaker B:This is cool.
Speaker B:But I'm like, okay, I'm just going to keep that to myself and get out of here.
Speaker A:That's funny.
Speaker B:I also found these.
Speaker B:This two bottle.
Speaker B:I bought two bottles of wine because they had Lilith and Asmodeus on the label.
Speaker B:So I was like, yep, demon 1.
Speaker B:Getting the demon one.
Speaker B:And I was.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker A:Vampire bourbon and demon wine.
Speaker A:You're just on a roll.
Speaker B:Oh, that's how we party.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that was.
Speaker B:That was my day that I went and picked up my prescription.
Speaker B:So it was like, hey, go.
Speaker B:Go do your adult report card thing.
Speaker B:Go buy bourbon at 11 o' clock in the morning and then go to.
Speaker A:Walgreens and then open at 11 o' clock in the morning.
Speaker B:Sure, sure, sure.
Speaker A:You tasted it.
Speaker A:You definitely did as soon as you got hungry.
Speaker B:No, I didn't.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I opened it before then.
Speaker A:Well, all right.
Speaker A:Ready to talk about Night Shifter?
Speaker B:It was certainly.
Speaker A:Also, I have trouble saying shifter.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:I have a really dumb reason.
Speaker B:Do you want to say Night Shitter?
Speaker A:No, actually.
Speaker A:So when I played roller derby once upon a time, my team was the Suicide Shifters.
Speaker A:So every time I say shifter or like, we in, like, our little.
Speaker A:Somebody was trying to make fun of us and they said, eat shifter.
Speaker A:And so we take that on as, like, our little, like, motto is like, eat shifter.
Speaker A:And so every time I say shifter, that's all I can think about is roller derby.
Speaker B:So you can't insult us.
Speaker B:We'll just take your insults and turn them into a T shirt.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:I mean, we always lost, so it was like an ongoing joke.
Speaker A:We were just really loud and ridiculous about it.
Speaker A:But, yeah, we didn't win much.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so each shifter was our thing.
Speaker A:So Night Shifter, I'm like, shifters.
Speaker A:Okay, shifters.
Speaker B:Is roller derby really about winning?
Speaker B:I thought it was just about getting a cute name and then beating and skating around and beating up people.
Speaker A:Well, it depends.
Speaker A:When Dragon was still playing, it was about what you described.
Speaker A:When it got really serious, it was also just a bad time for me personally.
Speaker A:I didn't have time to commit to anymore, but that's when it was getting a lot more serious of a sport, which is great.
Speaker A:They're phenomenal athletes that play that sport, and they're very tough and fast and coordinated and take sports really, really seriously.
Speaker A:And I am not that person.
Speaker A:And so it was a good time that I departed because I. I wanted to wear cute shit and have my fun name and all that.
Speaker A:So, you know.
Speaker B:And you still have that.
Speaker B:So you've got.
Speaker B:You've got pictures when you were in your prime and looked amazing.
Speaker B:Not that you don't look amazing now,.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's like when you look back and you're like, man, I didn't appreciate that shit when I looked like that.
Speaker B:I'm like, why did I think that was such a large size?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:I remember when I fit into those jeans.
Speaker A:I wish I was as skinny as I was when I first thought I wasn't skinny.
Speaker A:That'd be fucking rad.
Speaker A:But, yeah, that sounds like something that.
Speaker B:Goes on a rose koozie.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Susan Wyatt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker A:Night shifter.
Speaker B:Night shifter.
Speaker B:All right, so this is Season 2, Episode 12.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was directed by our favorite nudie suit wearing Phil Scritchia, and was written by Ben Edlund.
Speaker B:So people we've had before.
Speaker B:Overall, I just don't like this episode.
Speaker B:I don't think it's that exciting.
Speaker B:It's got some good parts in it, but it's one that I think I'm interested to get your opinion because I think when you see this one the first time, it's probably a lot better than when you watch it again.
Speaker B:Like, when you watch it again, I'm like, this is.
Speaker B:Isn't that exciting.
Speaker B:But there is a really fun video that's still available on YouTube that shows how they did the CGI for all the helicopter shots and everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because on one of them I was like, was that super duper cgi?
Speaker A:And then I looked at Lily and I'm like, actually, it was pretty good.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Well, so.
Speaker B:And you can learn about it in the video and then also obviously in, you know, the companion book in the other places.
Speaker B:But so the vault is an actual vault that is part of Victorian bank and Vancouver.
Speaker B:So they did let them film in the vault, but, you know, budget wise, did not have the money to have a helicopter come, you know, screaming in.
Speaker B:I know, but I really liked watching the CGI on it.
Speaker B:I thought it was really interesting.
Speaker B:Just how, you know, I always wonder was like, well, how do they do this?
Speaker B:And they basically talked to you how they got, you know, all the digital photographs at first and then went through and matched it.
Speaker B:So just Hollywood magic that I thought was interesting.
Speaker B:So we'll post the link.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we're in Milwaukee where this whole episode takes place.
Speaker A:And episode kicks off with, like, a newscast, and it's a bank robbery standoff with hostages, and we see one person being released from the bank and the person releasing it.
Speaker A:Them.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker A:This hostage is, of course, Dean.
Speaker A:So you're like, well, what the.
Speaker A:This is all.
Speaker A:You know, we're gonna do a time jumpy episode.
Speaker A:So it does a.
Speaker A:So at least that's how the episode kicks off.
Speaker A:And then we get the one day ago.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:At least it was just one day, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:And I'll tell how I feel about this episode later.
Speaker A:Let's put it this way.
Speaker A:I watched it, like a day or two ago, and I had to really think hard this earlier today to remember what this episode was.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's not good.
Speaker B:I mean, it's not bad.
Speaker A:And I'm not like.
Speaker A:I'm not like.
Speaker A:I'm not, like, irritated with it.
Speaker A:Like, there's episodes I've been annoyed with or whatever.
Speaker A:I still love the show, but.
Speaker A:But it was like.
Speaker A:It didn't like, I was like, which one was it?
Speaker A:I was like, was it.
Speaker A:We already did the dolls.
Speaker A:One like, that one stuck.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:With, like, the.
Speaker A:You know, that.
Speaker A:That stuck with me.
Speaker A:Whereas this one, I was just like,.
Speaker B:Oh, well, I mean.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:And we'll get into this as we go through.
Speaker A:But, I mean, I really like one character, and we'll talk about that.
Speaker B:There's some good characters.
Speaker B:And, like, overall, I mean, there's a lot of people on the production crew who thought this was one of their favorite episodes of the season.
Speaker B:And that was because of.
Speaker B:They get to do a cool heist.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And we'll, you know, which is fine.
Speaker B:But we're also doing body doubles again.
Speaker B:We've already done that in season.
Speaker B:I don't really like shell games, and obviously you may call that out in it, but trying to, like, who's the bad guy?
Speaker B:How do we pick out who the bad guy is?
Speaker B:And we've done that before.
Speaker B:We did that in the first episode, the first version where, you know, we got to see sexy Dean shedding his skin, like, in a very disturbing way that was somehow erotic.
Speaker B:I don't know how.
Speaker B:It was a song.
Speaker B:The song made it erotic.
Speaker A:I'm gonna leave that alone.
Speaker A:Not touching it.
Speaker B:You're like.
Speaker B:You're like.
Speaker B:Okay, let's stop.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the jewelry store.
Speaker A:Dean's pretend.
Speaker A:Dean and Sam are pretending to be FBI agents, and they're asking questions of.
Speaker A:Sam's talking to the manager, obviously, Dean's talking to the semi cute chick selling Jordy.
Speaker A:She was cute.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:If there's a Somewhat attractive, female, of course.
Speaker A:Dean's talking to them and he's flirting real gross.
Speaker A:But basically, there's the.
Speaker A:The long of the short of it is they're an employee, a longtime employee that everybody trusted and liked showed up, killed the security guard, stole a bunch of shit, and then went home and killed themselves by dropping a hairdryer in the bathtub.
Speaker A:Very upsetting.
Speaker A:Way to go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think that the preferred method of suicide.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And I don't want to look at those stats either.
Speaker A:Your stats and your search history are fucked up enough.
Speaker A:Don't add that to it.
Speaker A:Let's just say.
Speaker A:But yeah, so it was just really bizarre.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's the story and that's what they're kind of trying to investigate because you can tell they're like, well, that's not.
Speaker A:You know, this is not normal behavior, basically.
Speaker A:And of course, the police took the surveillance footage so the guys can't see it.
Speaker A:And, yeah, so Sora's never even seen it.
Speaker A:And of course, the.
Speaker A:The girl is working the counter that Dean's flirting with, wants to be interviewed in private.
Speaker B:And he called her Diana's.
Speaker A:Diana's making the best face, and he called her patriot for that.
Speaker A:Anyways, I get to bring back the douche.
Speaker B:Dean Douche meter on this episode.
Speaker B:Also, like, there is.
Speaker B:There is something.
Speaker B:And I think it's really interesting, if I was so inclined, and I'm not, but to do a stat based by writer on how douchey like Dean is.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:And is it when there's a man writing that he becomes dirtier?
Speaker B:And when there's a female writer, he's less douchey?
Speaker B:Because I think that seems to be the pattern.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think the women are like, we're over this.
Speaker B:This is not attractive.
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker B:We don't like that.
Speaker B:But I think, granted, also, if Dean was an.
Speaker B:If an actual FBI agent who looks like him was in my jewelry store, I would be like, yes, here is my phone number here.
Speaker A:Call me if you have any further questions.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Like, are you just.
Speaker B:Are you in town for this?
Speaker B:Or is your.
Speaker B:Is your agency based here?
Speaker B:Do you have no field office?
Speaker B:Did you get dinner?
Speaker B:Are you on a government comp?
Speaker A:Like, do you need the best coffee here I can around the corner?
Speaker A:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker A:I got you.
Speaker B:I. I don't blame that chick at all.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, so Dean gets a girl's numbers, and we're gonna go to another house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So apparently the guys are talking and basically the bank in town had pretty much the same exact thing happen, only the security guard wasn't killed.
Speaker A:He was just like left unconscious.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:Was he maimed?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:They're gonna go.
Speaker A:They're at the guy's house and they.
Speaker A:And the same thing, a teller that's worked there a long time that everybody knew knocked him out and stole a bunch of shit.
Speaker A:So they go up to the house and like there's this bright ass security light, so you know this is super paranoid.
Speaker A:And insists on seeing their badges at the door.
Speaker A:His name's Ronald Relnick.
Speaker A:And he seems really, really surprised.
Speaker A:They're playing the FBI agents, so he seems really surprised that they actually want to know what he has to say.
Speaker A:So I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker A:He said something crazy.
Speaker A:This is good.
Speaker A:That's one thing you know.
Speaker A:So they get into the house and the first thing you see when you get into his house is conspiracy wall.
Speaker A:Full on conspiracy wall.
Speaker B:I called it a murder alien wall.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, see, I would have said murder wall because I know you call it a murder wall, but there was a lot of aliens, so it's a little less murdery and a little bit more alien.
Speaker A:Y Is he a big Blink 182 fan?
Speaker A:Is next.
Speaker A:But that's a different conversation for a different day.
Speaker A:If you want to talk about.
Speaker B:I still.
Speaker B:Yeah, I still haven't watched that Roswell.
Speaker A:Documentary, but I'm aware of it, so.
Speaker A:And basically he insists that the person who robbed the bank wasn't the.
Speaker A:His friend who was a teller there, but it was like either his.
Speaker A:It was something else, like a replica.
Speaker A:He had already tied it to the heist that happened at the jewelry store with the same MO too.
Speaker A:And his theory is that they're Chinese cyber soldiers, like Terminator, and he calls them mandroids.
Speaker B:I do love.
Speaker B:I do love the term Android.
Speaker B:Like I. I want to call all, like all AI dolls from now on.
Speaker B:They're just androids.
Speaker B:They're just mandroids.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And but the cool thing is, is that he took a copy of the security tape and so he has that to share with them and shows that his friend has laser eyes.
Speaker B:Laser eyes.
Speaker A:When really it's just the super duper reflection that shifter's eyes get when film.
Speaker B:And we know what that means.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean knows what it means.
Speaker B:Ronald does not know what it means.
Speaker A:Poor Ronald doesn't know what that means.
Speaker B:Poor Ronald.
Speaker B:I mean, your life is just pretty much gonna suck if your parents named you Ronald.
Speaker B:Isn't that right, Mr. Weasley?
Speaker A:Aw.
Speaker A:But yeah, so.
Speaker A:But he's actually like, other than his being like totally off base on the mandroid thing, he's actually done some solid research, like Sam and Dean style research where he's like gotten the map figured out.
Speaker A:Like the path that they're taking figured out, like what's going to be hit next.
Speaker A:Like he's fucking on it and he's like ready to help out whatever and do.
Speaker A:He wants to go after this thing because it took his friend and Sam, like, he's like, he's having a level with him, to tell you the truth.
Speaker A:And you're like, oh shit.
Speaker A:All right, they're going to get Ronald's help.
Speaker A:Good shit here.
Speaker A:And then Sam, of all people is the one who tells him that, no, you're wrong.
Speaker A:This is not what's going on.
Speaker A:There's nothing inhuman or evil about it.
Speaker A:And, and that the eyes are just camera flares and so Ronald kicks them out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's no such thing as neandroids.
Speaker B:And Yeah, I mean, it's Sam's attitude during this whole, this whole episode.
Speaker B:He's got a weird attitude.
Speaker B:Like he's just.
Speaker B:I don't know, there's something off and I know there's a lot of back things and maybe they're trying to build that into his character that he's struggling with his demon blood or whatever, but it's not likable.
Speaker B:It's just not like.
Speaker A:And usually the more empathetic one and his whole thing is he's like.
Speaker A:So Ronald kicks them out, but they get.
Speaker B:Don't be mean to Ronald.
Speaker B:Like, I just, I feel bad for Ronald.
Speaker A:And like out of all the people now, Dean's the one that feels empathetic and feels bad for Ronald.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, whatever, I'm protecting him by doing this.
Speaker A:And just going to say totally obvious to everybody probably at this point that something bad is going to happen to Ronald because he doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker B:Oh, also, I just realized that one of my favorite uncles is named Ronald.
Speaker B:And so that is in no way a detriment to you.
Speaker B:Your life is not shitty.
Speaker B:You've done very well with that name, Uncle Ron.
Speaker B:But we call him Ronnie.
Speaker B:So Uncle Ronnie, this is to you.
Speaker B:You're one of my favorite uncles.
Speaker A:So we get to their hotel room where they're having this conversation, which by the way, is pretty badass.
Speaker B:It is a glorious, glorious room.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Like Schultz beer signs, pictures of longhorns.
Speaker A:Like, it's fucking.
Speaker B:So for those of you who do not know, Milwaukee, Wisconsin is very famous for their beer is also where they made Schlitz, which is why there is Schultz beer everywhere.
Speaker B:The set decoration came from.
Speaker B:I don't know if it was the writer or some.
Speaker B:There is somebody on the.
Speaker B:On the crew.
Speaker B:I think it was a writer was from Milwaukee.
Speaker B:So this was.
Speaker B:A lot of their personal stuff was in there.
Speaker B:I love when they do this.
Speaker B:I just picture that they have this one, like, motel room that they just read dress.
Speaker B:And they're just like, this time Schultz making like, how like, someone had to go in and manufacture all those Schultz lights and like.
Speaker B:But I'm like, where did they go?
Speaker B:I want the lake.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:If someone goes on ebay and finds those for me to send me the link, I'm not going to search for them.
Speaker B:But I would buy them.
Speaker B:If they existed and someone gave them to me, I would.
Speaker B:I would buy those.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I just like, that's.
Speaker B:I went off about the motel for like, an hour.
Speaker B:And I'm like, okay, you're good.
Speaker A:It was amazing.
Speaker A:Motel.
Speaker A:Basically, though, this whole thing, this whole scene is just that the conversation is.
Speaker A:Dean thinks that they should have thrown Ronald a bone since he did good legwork.
Speaker A:And other than being other than the mandroid theory, was kind of on the right path.
Speaker A:And that Dean kind of likes him.
Speaker A:Sam wants to protect him.
Speaker A:And that's what he's trying to do by keeping him in the dark.
Speaker A:Which, by the way, is what he got mad at everybody for doing to him, is keeping him in the dark to protect him.
Speaker A:Him.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker A:So they were like, okay, the same type of shifter that we had in St. Louis.
Speaker A:And they used the map, basically, that they.
Speaker A:The concept of map that they had gotten from Ronald with the sewer line to figure out what's going to hit next.
Speaker A:And of course, there's another bank target.
Speaker A:So they go to the bank and pretend to be security guards.
Speaker A:And they're like, we're just gonna.
Speaker A:Yeah, we should go check out your security system.
Speaker A:Which is bizarre that somebody was so, like, open to letting them go check out the.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure.
Speaker A:You guys.
Speaker A:We've never seen before.
Speaker A:Yeah, just go hang out and watch our security.
Speaker B:You've got a jumpsuit on.
Speaker B:Clearly, that gives you access to the security systems of our bank.
Speaker B:And I will just leave you in here by yourself.
Speaker B:You deserve what you get.
Speaker B:Bank.
Speaker B:I'm just.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's so.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then Dean's, like, creepily zooming in on a teller's ass, by the way.
Speaker B:Douche me to.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:And then they see.
Speaker A:They do see.
Speaker A:One of the employees does have the laser eyes.
Speaker A:So Sam's about to go after him, but just then, our friend Ronald has shown up at the bank.
Speaker A:Because he's figured it out too.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Except he doesn't have a good plan.
Speaker A:So he changed the doors to the bank shut and runs into the main lobby and starts shooting his looks like an AR into the ceiling.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it was an ar.
Speaker B:And the comment was like, ronald has an ar.
Speaker B:Just like every other nerdy white guy.
Speaker B:Don't get me wrong.
Speaker B:Like in government tattoo meal list.
Speaker B:I may have one myself.
Speaker B:But, you know, I mean, I'm not saying I do.
Speaker B:Not saying I don't, but.
Speaker B:But, you know, nerdy white guy with an ar.
Speaker B:Yeah, it works.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then says buddy yells, this is not a robbery.
Speaker A:Which I'm kind of amused by.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:It was funny.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then we find out as Sam and Dean are gonna figure out how to handle this.
Speaker A:Dean says to Sam, you said we shouldn't bring guns.
Speaker A:My response is, you always bring guns.
Speaker A:So dumb.
Speaker A:Anyways, and plus, they're, like, dressed as, like, security guys.
Speaker A:They could have totally gotten away with putting those.
Speaker A:Either hiding it inside their jumpsuits or wearing it openly on it.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, is the bank gonna pat you down?
Speaker B:Like, is there a, you know, a metal detector?
Speaker A:It's supposed to be security.
Speaker A:Like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Well, I think they were tech people.
Speaker B:They were, you know, tech people, but still.
Speaker B:Like, put a conceal your goddamn weapon and go inside.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Ronald points a gun at them and tells him to get on the ground.
Speaker A:He's mad because obviously he recognizes them and says, maybe they work for the Men in Black or the Mandroids.
Speaker B:Which is pretty funny.
Speaker A:But Sam tries to talk to him and he says, you shut up.
Speaker A:I don't like you.
Speaker A:Sam says, fair enough.
Speaker B:Well, because Dean had also said before, like, I'm going to talk to him.
Speaker B:He doesn't seem to like you.
Speaker B:And so, yes, it was a great line.
Speaker B:Like, I don't like you.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah, so much.
Speaker A:I do too.
Speaker A:I like poor Ronald.
Speaker A:He's, like, not built for this.
Speaker A:But he's, like, very likable anyways, as he.
Speaker A:As he holds up a bank, he's very likable.
Speaker A:So he has.
Speaker A:So Ronald gets one of the bankers.
Speaker A:That's one of the hostages.
Speaker A:To frisk Sam and Dean for weapons.
Speaker A:And of course, Dean does have a Tiny blade, but it gets taken away.
Speaker B:So very uncomfortable place to put the weight is like right up against the back.
Speaker B:And like, do your ankles not bend?
Speaker A:Like, you would not be able to hold that blade in your boot that way.
Speaker A:Like on a low boot like that.
Speaker A:Are you kidding me?
Speaker A:No way.
Speaker B:No, no foul.
Speaker A:Stab yourself in the ankle every step.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I'm just like.
Speaker B:You would cut your Achilles tendon?
Speaker A:Like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:That's like.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Dean just tries to talk to him at this point and says like, look, we believe you.
Speaker A:I want you to come closer.
Speaker A:I'm going to tell you what's up.
Speaker A:And then he tells him.
Speaker A:He actually.
Speaker A:Instead I was like, oh, fuck, he's gonna do something dumb and try to fight Ronald.
Speaker A:But he doesn't.
Speaker A:He actually tells Ronald that, hey, look, we know that it's the bank manager.
Speaker A:They saw the eyes.
Speaker A:They need to catch him before he changes again.
Speaker A:So that's when Ronald agrees and everybody to the vault.
Speaker A:And Dean is going to go with him to.
Speaker A:To try to figure this out.
Speaker A:And we're at this point, police are already outside, but I don't think anybody inside realizes this.
Speaker A:It's just that they're just kind of going about their business, which is also dumb.
Speaker A:Another strike on the.
Speaker A:On the Winchester Bros. For not figuring that out.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:And then that's when this teller, Shelley, Shelly or Sherry, excuse me, Sherry starts fawning over Dean to Sam.
Speaker A:It's kind of gross and awkward.
Speaker A:And then so Ronald, Dean wandering around and looking for the manager and Ronald slips in.
Speaker A:Shapeshifter goo, as I call it.
Speaker B:I called it a skin suit.
Speaker B:It was also followed by gross.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's gross.
Speaker A:And so that's when Dean explains, look, it's not really a mandroid, but it's kind of like a humanist shapeshifter thingy.
Speaker A:He's really excited though, because at least Dean does find a silver.
Speaker A:An actual silver letter opener and explains that like that this works.
Speaker B:How do you know that it's silver?
Speaker A:Depending most.
Speaker A:If it's sterling, it's gonna be stamped with 925.
Speaker A:That's what.
Speaker B:Ooh, look at Diana dropping some fucking.
Speaker B:Know what?
Speaker A:It's amazing what your teenage jobs will teach you.
Speaker A:One of my jobs was working at a jewelry kiosk at the mall.
Speaker A:And we sold primarily sterling silver rings and necklaces.
Speaker A:And they were all stamped with 925, which has to do with the metal.
Speaker A:It's the metal code.
Speaker A:And like balance.
Speaker A:Like there's other.
Speaker A:There's other numbers for silver, the most common.
Speaker A:It's a blend of metals with.
Speaker A:There's a little bit of nickel and sterling.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, look at you go.
Speaker B:I'm so impressed with that.
Speaker A:So 925 is the code for sterling.
Speaker A:And so I bet it had that in it.
Speaker A:Which I don't know if sterling is good enough for this, but, like.
Speaker A:Because it's different than, like, silver.
Speaker A:Silver, but I'm sure it's good enough.
Speaker A:So this is where we get a really cool scene of the helicopters.
Speaker A:You're talking about the CGI on it right at this point.
Speaker A:And that's where you can see now that the building is basically surrounded by helicopters, cops, SWAT teams pulling up, snipers in the building next door and fucking news crews.
Speaker A:And then you see, like, you can tell it's gonna be like the sergeant, the main cop on the scene is playing clothes, pulls up, and he tells them to hit the power.
Speaker A:So we know the power is gonna get shut down to the bank.
Speaker B:At this point,.
Speaker A:Ronald's, like, super fucking excited, by the way, that he was mostly right about his.
Speaker A:Other than the mandroid thing, knowing that it was not his actual friend.
Speaker A:Like, some facsimile of it.
Speaker A:He is fucking on it.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:And I get.
Speaker A:I mean, like, also.
Speaker A:He definitely felt like he was losing his mind.
Speaker A:Like he was losing everybody around him.
Speaker A:Like, he.
Speaker A:Everybody thought he was bonkers and didn't believe him.
Speaker A:I mean, arguably.
Speaker A:I mean, like, who would.
Speaker A:But he was.
Speaker A:He's happy.
Speaker A:Which is kind of cool.
Speaker B:No, I. I think it's.
Speaker B:I love his joy.
Speaker B:The joy that.
Speaker B:But also, it's like the joy and the.
Speaker B:I was right dance.
Speaker B:Like, you just want to.
Speaker B:Like, there are.
Speaker B:Sometimes when you think something's crazy and you just want to.
Speaker A:You want.
Speaker A:He did that validation, and he got the validation while he's, you know, holding up a bank with a.
Speaker A:An AR and two guys he doesn't know.
Speaker A:So it's kind of a.
Speaker A:My God.
Speaker A:It's kind of a bizarre, dark version of celebration.
Speaker A:But, you know, cheers to him still for getting a little bit of validity.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the vault where this Sherry chick is still, like, just cherry man.
Speaker A:About.
Speaker A:Like, that's the only word I could use was like.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, she's being like.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I forgot I used a couple words in my notes.
Speaker A:And I was like, like.
Speaker A:And then I was like, gushing is the only word I could use.
Speaker A:Which then also took gross connotations in my head and I was just very upset, and I didn't know how else to describe it.
Speaker B:So that's fine.
Speaker A:How wonderful and brave Dean must be.
Speaker A:So he shows up.
Speaker A:Dean shows up at the vault, and now he's got a revolver also.
Speaker A:And he pulls a hand.
Speaker B:It was a handgun, was it?
Speaker A:I thought it was a revolver.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:No, it was a semi.
Speaker B:But where did he get that?
Speaker A:They never say.
Speaker A:And I was.
Speaker B:That's why I pointed it out.
Speaker A:I'm like, where the did this come from?
Speaker A:So in my head, actually, when they first opened the door and he had the pistol in his hand, I was like, it's fake Dean.
Speaker A:Fake Dean.
Speaker A:Shifter had a gun.
Speaker A:It's fake Dean.
Speaker A:But it wasn't.
Speaker A:It was just.
Speaker A:They'd failed to tell us where the gun came from.
Speaker B:So I'm sure that was.
Speaker B:That was the cut.
Speaker A:Employees don't have guns laying around.
Speaker B:Well, maybe Ronald brought more weapons with him.
Speaker B:You know, like, the crazy white guys, like, always have more than one weapon with them.
Speaker A:I don't see Ronald being that guy.
Speaker A:I think Ronald just had the ar, but you never know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam's kind of, like, kind of freaking out about everything at this point, but Dean's kind of chill about it all.
Speaker A:He just needs to, like, we just need to figure out who the shifter is.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all it is.
Speaker A:But Ronald is not good at this whole thing at all.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:Sam's really worried about how they're gonna get out because they all realize that the place is surrounded by cops.
Speaker A:The cops call, want to know what demands are.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:Ronald's like, oh, no, I don't have demands.
Speaker A:I'm like, all right, this guy sucks.
Speaker A:Does he put the phone down?
Speaker A:They're telling him to put the phone down.
Speaker A:He doesn't put the phone down.
Speaker B:I. I do.
Speaker B:Like, Sam, yes, I would be on your side for this.
Speaker B:Just put the phone down, Ronald.
Speaker B:Ronald, just.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Just hang up.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But Sam's really worried because he's like, look, the place is surrounded.
Speaker A:Even if we solve this, how do we get out of here?
Speaker A:Because Dean, in case anybody's forgotten, is still fucking wanted.
Speaker A:And now he's just been seen on or not yet.
Speaker A:When he gets seen on TV, we already know he gets seen on TV, but he's wanted because from St. Louis and Baltimore and all that.
Speaker A:So we know that they're like, his face is known by law enforcement.
Speaker A:And, like, Sam just doesn't really see a way out.
Speaker A:But Dean's like, look, I don't want Ronald and both.
Speaker A:All of us getting arrested and the shifter escaping.
Speaker A:We have to just see this through.
Speaker A:We will figure it the fuck out.
Speaker B:It seems sensible.
Speaker B:I mean, like.
Speaker B:I mean, I also agree, like, yeah,.
Speaker A:You're going to deserve to get arrested for this.
Speaker A:We don't want to get arrested for this.
Speaker A:Let's fucking get this figured out.
Speaker A:But we don't need the shifter out there running around either.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So then the guard starts having a heart attack.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And Dean's very lucky as he's just poking through that ceiling, you know, just.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Randomly poking through ceiling tiles and like, oh, surprise, there's a body in this one.
Speaker A:I mean, you.
Speaker B:I think it at least had, like, blood dripping or something.
Speaker B:That would be like.
Speaker A:It was just a very slightly dislodged ceiling tile.
Speaker A:Very slightly.
Speaker B:I noticed.
Speaker B:But it also creeps me out when I think about the number of office buildings that I have worked at and that I go in.
Speaker B:I'm like, how many of those ceiling tiles, like, have dead bodies?
Speaker A:Honestly, those things are not that strong.
Speaker A:So unless the body was placed very carefully all across the framing of it, it probably wouldn't hold a body very long.
Speaker A:Especially if there was dampness.
Speaker A:Because I know, like, random knowledge.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker A:So a lot of those are like, the heavy duty ones some people use are like, actually drywall.
Speaker A:So you gotta think about a piece of drywall holding a body up that's just not.
Speaker A:Depending on the weight of the body, is kind of iffy and then.
Speaker A:But most of those are the ceiling tiles.
Speaker A:Those acoustic tiles are actually not as dense even as the.
Speaker A:Like an acoustic tile.
Speaker A:It's not gonna be as dense even as drywall.
Speaker B:So that's very interesting.
Speaker B:What is also interesting is somehow your timing got screwed up.
Speaker B:So while you're talking to me, you look very much like I'm watching a kung fu movie that's dubbed.
Speaker B:So that's very exciting.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think we're back on track now, but that was quite interesting thing to watch.
Speaker A:Well, either way, that's your thing.
Speaker A:I don't think that a body could stay up there for an extended period of time.
Speaker A:I think it would wave through pretty quickly.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:So I don't think that a bunch of offices you've been in or have ceilings full of bodies, if that's your concern.
Speaker A:I think comforts you to think that, I don't know, like, maybe you're like,.
Speaker B:Well, think of all, like, the buildings that are opening back up.
Speaker B:That have been shut down.
Speaker B:Like, oh, man.
Speaker B:I know one of our offices in Maryland is back open.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, like someone was just hiding bodies in there.
Speaker B:Like, all through the COVID times.
Speaker B:That's just what they did.
Speaker B:They're just dropping bodies and ceilings.
Speaker B:And as we all go back in, this is a world we're going to have to go back to, folks.
Speaker B:Just bodies.
Speaker A:And also ceilings full of bodies.
Speaker B:Ceilings full of bodies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they figure it.
Speaker A:So now Dean knows that the shifter is currently one of the people that's in the vault.
Speaker A:So he wants to go back in and get that guy.
Speaker A:And they try to get him to come out.
Speaker A:They have to, like, kind of coax him to come out.
Speaker A:He doesn't really want to.
Speaker A:And finally he does.
Speaker A:Then, of course, he attacks, attacks them and runs.
Speaker A:And Ronald goes to shoot him, but he hesitates because Ronald's not a bad guy.
Speaker A:And Sam sees the laser pointer on Ronald's back and the show goes silent.
Speaker A:But you see that he's yelling.
Speaker A:And then you just see Ronald get shot through the back,.
Speaker B:Which is so.
Speaker B:It's very sad.
Speaker B:Also made funny because I watched the.
Speaker B:The red dot go.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, look, there's my cat.
Speaker B:Or Diana's dog chasing the red dot.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's not a cat going through the laser pointer, though.
Speaker B:It's somebody killing Ronald.
Speaker A:Ronald.
Speaker A:So, yeah, pour one out for you, man.
Speaker A:And he's down.
Speaker A:And you can tell Dean, though, now is kind of freaking out because, like, Dean's like, it's fine.
Speaker A:We're just gonna solve this and we'll figure out how to get out of here.
Speaker A:Like, he was just kind of like, eye on the prize.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:On the mission, not really, like, freaking out about this.
Speaker A:And now it's like, really, really, really life or death.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I know that, you know, Sam's really the one that's obsessing about saving people and not letting people die on his watch.
Speaker A:But Dean obviously has that issue too and really doesn't want, like, he.
Speaker A:He had a soft spot for Ronald.
Speaker A:We knew that earlier on.
Speaker A:And he was, like, pretty stoked that Ronald had figured stuff out.
Speaker A:And even if he was misguided in his attempt to figure this out, Ronald did figure it out without them and was there too, and wanted to solve this and get rid of the shifter.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:We know.
Speaker A:Even though stupid fucking mandroid.
Speaker B:And he finally found his joy and then they took it from him.
Speaker B:Sad.
Speaker B:So they're gonna run off.
Speaker B:Sam's gonna go try to run and take care of the shifter.
Speaker B:And this is something else that really annoyed me.
Speaker B:There's a bunch of.
Speaker B:There's a couple.
Speaker B:But there's more than a couple of jump scares that go through this that are just pointless jump scares.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think, you know, like, we're gonna have the slow music as he opens up the broom closet, like that was.
Speaker B:And then have, you know, the people behind him be the jump.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, it was just unnecessary.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then this is the security guard that had the medical issue.
Speaker A:They let him out.
Speaker A:Dean takes care of that.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And this is kind of when Dean really realizes we are so screwed.
Speaker A:So Ronald's dead.
Speaker A:He sees the police presence out front as they release the security guard who was having the medical issue.
Speaker A:And this is when I think it really sinks into Dean that they're kind of fucked in this building.
Speaker A:So Sam finds more shifter goo and calls Dean.
Speaker A:And so they're kind of.
Speaker B:Why was Sam was putting his letter, like, opener in the shifter goo?
Speaker A:Like, why.
Speaker B:Why were you poking it?
Speaker B:Don't poke the goo.
Speaker B:Like, just leave the goo alone.
Speaker A:It seemed it was very unnecessary goo poking.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, granted, I mean, if I had something, I mean, I would probably poke the goo.
Speaker B:But not with the only weapon have.
Speaker B:I mean, can you imagine, like, if you're trying to stab somebody with a letter opener and it's covered in goo and they just, like, slips by them.
Speaker B:So many shenanigans will happen.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So basically the FBI shows up to meet up with the cops.
Speaker A:Cops are annoyed, you know, very.
Speaker A:Like, oh, stereotypical.
Speaker A:Oh, the feds are here.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:They're take over our case.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:The whole thing, anyways, that goes down outside.
Speaker B:And they do make a very important line, though, as the FBI.
Speaker B:There they go.
Speaker B:This is not your usual heist.
Speaker A:There's a monster in that bank.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:But I'm focusing on the word heist.
Speaker B:So we're going to talk about some heist.
Speaker B:So it's time for some.
Speaker B:I guess this is lore.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a thing.
Speaker B:It's a time where Liz goes off and talks about shit.
Speaker B:So heist.
Speaker B:Because this was like, okay, we gotta do something here.
Speaker B:We've talked about shapeshifters.
Speaker B:We talked about skinwalkers.
Speaker B:What are we gonna talk like?
Speaker B:What are we gonna talk about now?
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, well, heists.
Speaker B:And so I was looking up some of the world's most infamous heists.
Speaker B:But fortunately for me, there is a new series on Netflix called Heist.
Speaker B:And one of my friends had sent me the, like, the.
Speaker B:The tag tag or whatever for the first story, which basically is like sex magic.
Speaker B:And I was like, yes, this is mine.
Speaker B:And so, of course, we're going to talk about some sex magic and some robbery and one of the greatest heists that was ever pulled.
Speaker B:And so we're going to go back to a time called the 90s, so.
Speaker B:So, oh, so long ago, where the cholos were wearing their jeans that were all wide at the waist, and I was skipping school.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Oh, we're in Las Vegas, by the way.
Speaker B:So this is also another reason why I wanted to do this.
Speaker B:And so I'm going to Vegas in a week.
Speaker B:So how much money was in the back of that truck?
Speaker B:Well, there was approximately $3.1 million.
Speaker B:So you've seen the armored trucks before.
Speaker B:They're large.
Speaker B:And this is basically a large van.
Speaker B:And it was filled from about a third of the way from the front of the vehicle all the way to the back.
Speaker B:They pulled up to Circus Circus.
Speaker B:Stuart and his partner picked up the first of the money bags and walked out of the truck into the casino.
Speaker B:Their driver, Heather Tallchief's job was to pick them up about 20 minutes later.
Speaker B:According to Stuart, it was basically like a point A to point B type where we started one ATM and just work our way through until we got to the last one.
Speaker B:And at that last one was exit, where Heather was supposed to pick us up.
Speaker B:Got to the end of the run, and no truck, no truck, no Heather.
Speaker B:They waited and they waited, and then they're like, wait, this truck is gone.
Speaker B:And Heather Tall Chief and the armored van had vanished with $3 million in one of the largest armored vehicle heists in Las Vegas history.
Speaker B: e Heather to tall chief until: Speaker B:So who was Heather?
Speaker B:So most of this information is going to come from a couple of sources, mainly the Netflix High show, which an actress narrates her part, but it's her words.
Speaker B:So basically, like, she said all the words and there's an actress there doing it.
Speaker B:So I feel comfortable.
Speaker B:Like, when I'm quoting that, you know, it was Heather saying this, but also, there she was.
Speaker B:This thing was like a very big story for A long time because they sold $3 million and.
Speaker B:And nobody found them.
Speaker B:So there's also.
Speaker B:There's a couple of Dateline episodes on this.
Speaker B:So the Netflix and Dateline are the main places, but there's some others.
Speaker B:And of course, we'll post the source.
Speaker B:So Heather, Heather Tallchief.
Speaker B: born in Buffalo, New York, in: Speaker B:So dad knocks up mom in high school, and they decide what's the best thing to do?
Speaker B:Let's get married.
Speaker B:But that probably wasn't great.
Speaker B:So they got divorced when she was three.
Speaker B:Allegedly, he was abusive and addicted to drugs.
Speaker B:Although he did sober when she turned 8.
Speaker B:Her stepmom, according to Heather, was very much a wicked stepmother.
Speaker B:Emma's just emotionally abusive.
Speaker B:Called her name just like all sorts of shit.
Speaker B:So she was not happy.
Speaker B: moves her to San Francisco in: Speaker B:She's a fucking punk rocker.
Speaker B:Like, you see all these pictures of her.
Speaker B:She's just like 90.
Speaker B:He's full on punk, and I love it.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B: But this is also: Speaker B:So the AIDS epidemic was pretty rampant.
Speaker B:And so while she was working as a hospice worker, at least 20 of her patients died.
Speaker B:And that was really bad in her psyche.
Speaker B:She started getting into bad relationships.
Speaker B:And one of the other nurses introduced her to cracks.
Speaker B:And after, you know, she started smoking the crack, she lost her job.
Speaker B:And at this point, this is when she meets a man.
Speaker B:His name is Roberto Sois.
Speaker B:She's 21 years old.
Speaker B:And he was calling himself Julius Suave or Julius Suave.
Speaker B:I don't want to say Julius and me, even Julia.
Speaker B:I may type of that.
Speaker B:Julian scenes, whatever.
Speaker B:But his last name was Suave.
Speaker B:That was one of the ones names he was going by.
Speaker B: ity guard during a robbery in: Speaker B:So three years before Hatler was born.
Speaker B:So to give you an idea of the age difference, so he was on parole, and he was supposed to have a life sentence.
Speaker B:But he was a poet, and so he was publishing books of poetry while he was in prison.
Speaker B:He had a poem published in the American Poetry Review.
Speaker B:And when he came up for parole, people fans of this poetry wrote letters of support to the board, citing his contribution as evidence that he was reformed.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:I would Never have accepted a beer from him if I didn't find him attractive.
Speaker B:Which is smart, you know?
Speaker B:But also, girls got to eat and girls got to drink.
Speaker B:If the ugly man wants to buy you a beer, just let him buy you a beer.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:You don't have to talk to him.
Speaker B:You just take the beer and you go away.
Speaker B:That's how it works.
Speaker B:So they end up hooking up.
Speaker B:When she goes home with him for the first time, she found there was an altar in his living room.
Speaker B:There was a goat skull, candles, incense, and he had two chalices.
Speaker B:Everyone loves a chalice.
Speaker B:One chalice was full of red liquid, and the other was white.
Speaker B:And Roberto told Heather that the white liquid, thankfully, was goat's milk.
Speaker B:Thank God.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:Just go smoke.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, where are we going at this?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I don't know what the red was.
Speaker B:It just said the red represented blood.
Speaker B:And then Heather goes off that.
Speaker B:You know, menstrual blood is the idea about women giving birth, life, creation, and fertility.
Speaker B:And the milk represented the milk that you need to raise in a nurture of his life.
Speaker B:I am crossing my fingers.
Speaker B:There was not menstrual blood in that chalice.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm cool.
Speaker B:We all bleed.
Speaker B:But no, Dinah's face is just.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Just amazing.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:She's just like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:No, stop, stop.
Speaker B:Stop saying that words.
Speaker B:Okay, so he also read her.
Speaker B:He wrote her.
Speaker B:He read her tarot cards.
Speaker B:And so one was fortune, and the other was the temptress or the lust card.
Speaker B:This is Heather's words.
Speaker B:This was like fate.
Speaker B:I was supposed to embark on a spiritual path, an awakening, an enlightenment.
Speaker B:Enlightenment by somebody great and powerful and knowledgeable.
Speaker B:So we can already see this dude, like, twisting here.
Speaker B:It's like, these are your cards.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:You're going to have a great spiritual leader who's going to help you.
Speaker B:And I'm.
Speaker B:And I'm going to help you.
Speaker B:We're going to talk, teach you about sex magic, love, sex magic.
Speaker B:Heather's words, the spiritual and the physical combined and used to manifest ideas, wills, powers, energy, which is pretty much the basic premise of sex magic.
Speaker B:You know, the idea is that while we're doing the base of two backs, that we are generating a lot of energy, and then you can harness that energy to do your will.
Speaker B:So she would be invoking gods and goddesses and letting them take over her body.
Speaker B:After they've been together for a few weeks, Roberto finally told him his real name.
Speaker B:And that you know, hey, you know, I had this horrible past, but I've changed now.
Speaker B:It's all good.
Speaker B:You know what we should do?
Speaker B:We should go to Las Vegas.
Speaker B:And while we're there, like, we can.
Speaker B:We can gamble, we can win lots of money, but, you know, you should probably get a job.
Speaker B:So they move to Las Vegas, and starting at this time, Heather begins acquiring fake identities.
Speaker B:And so this is some.
Speaker B:So like I said, most of the perspective of the story is coming from Heather.
Speaker B:So there are some things in here that it's like you.
Speaker B:You knew what you were doing, right?
Speaker B:So even if you're manipulated, you knew because, you know, she started finding virgin passports that were being sold on the back of Soldier of Fortune, which I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker B:And then I don't know if you.
Speaker B:I doubt you still can, but maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know, kind of look.
Speaker B:So basically there is like, you know, defunct countries.
Speaker B:Like, especially.
Speaker B:This is like post Cold War.
Speaker B:So when all like the Soviet Union disbanded and there's all these things that.
Speaker B:Places that work countries anymore and now they're not.
Speaker B:So you could get fake passports for there.
Speaker B:And then she would go to a small town and then get driving driver's licenses.
Speaker B: So by: Speaker B:So this makes me think, hey, Heather.
Speaker A:Yeah, you.
Speaker B:You knew what was going on also in the.
Speaker B:In the Netflix documentary, but didn't see this listed in a lot of other places.
Speaker B:And the Netflix documentary.
Speaker B:They stole a bunch of money before they went.
Speaker B:Went.
Speaker B:They had like 30 grand.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:That Robert Roberto had.
Speaker B:Like, I forgot where who he robbed, but Roberto robbed somebody and they had money for that.
Speaker B:So they're in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So while they're in Vegas, Robert's like, hey, here's this job application for a Loomis.
Speaker B:You know, they're looking for new drivers for its fleet of armored vehicles.
Speaker B: of Lima's armored vehicle in: Speaker B:And this is also, like, why this guy is a fucking piece of shit.
Speaker B: tory of him robbering that in: Speaker B:They approached the vehicle's driver, who was a father of six, told him to hand over the bag he was carrying, but the bag was empty.
Speaker B:And he turned it inside out to show that, you know, hey, this is empty.
Speaker B:And so police shot the man in the back twice and killed him.
Speaker B:So you Roberto, like, you piece of.
Speaker B:Yeah, you.
Speaker B:I don't care how much poetry you write.
Speaker B:No, your ass stays in jail, dick.
Speaker B: nyways, all right, so back to: Speaker B:So one of the reasons Heather also said she got the job was because Loomis needed to hire more women.
Speaker B:All the co workers, her co workers that were on that were like, yeah, she's basically hired because she was pretty and just gotta kind of got away with a bunch of shit because of that.
Speaker B:They said, you know, she was just a terrible driver and couldn't remember her way around Vegas because she just moved there.
Speaker B:But they're just like.
Speaker B:They had like, in the.
Speaker B:In the dock, in the Netflix show, they show her, like, hitting, like, you know, hitting stuff as she's driving.
Speaker B:I don't know if she was that.
Speaker A:Bad, but that seems extreme.
Speaker A:I feel like there'd be a lot of insurance claims.
Speaker A:There'd be a lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of paperwork.
Speaker A:A lot of paperwork.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we go back to what we were talking about in the beginning.
Speaker B:So this.
Speaker B:When you have an ATM truck, right, for.
Speaker B:For Loomis, it's a three person team.
Speaker B:So you have two people that are in the back and there.
Speaker B:There's a driver.
Speaker B:So the driver is Heather.
Speaker B:And so they would basically just drive to different ATMs and casinos in Vegas, and they would take out the old cash and put in the new cash, which is.
Speaker B:I don't know if you've ever gotten money out of ATM in Vegas, but it's generally really nice cash.
Speaker B:Like, it's all like.
Speaker B:It's just really nice, crisp.
Speaker A:But it's not so crisp that it sticks together.
Speaker A:It's just the good new newer stuff.
Speaker A:It's not the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:It's not the tore up bills.
Speaker B:Yeah, it makes you feel real nice when you're throwing it away.
Speaker B:So Heather starts documenting her routes as they're going around and, you know, because Roberto's asking her questions and basically determines.
Speaker B:There was one day that had the highest amount of payout.
Speaker B:And my favorite quote from Heather about why she did this was she said, I wanted opulent shit.
Speaker B:And I'm laying.
Speaker A:All right, girl.
Speaker B:Laying.
Speaker B:I don't blame you.
Speaker B:I love some opulent shit.
Speaker B:So they figured out that on this day where they have the most cash is going to be in the van.
Speaker B:When they go to Circus Circus because they have to, basically, it's a first stop on there.
Speaker B:And the guys have to walk in.
Speaker B:They go all the way through the casino.
Speaker B:And those of you who've been to Vegas know, like, how much of a mind fuck those casinos are and how easy it is to get lost.
Speaker B:So those ATMs are everywhere around there.
Speaker B:So they would have.
Speaker B:Basically, she had 20 minutes in between.
Speaker B:So pretty much the guys get out, and then she just drove off with.
Speaker B:With.
Speaker B:With the armored vehicle.
Speaker B:And they're like, bye, bye.
Speaker B:And so they clearly, you know, this is our.
Speaker B:This is meticulously planned out, but that's pretty much it.
Speaker B:So bye.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker B:So, you know, while she's been there, you.
Speaker B:These past few months, have been plotting the route and of course, doing the sex magic.
Speaker B:And then also because she was nervous, she started on hypnosis and basically had this videotape that she would watch.
Speaker B:And she said a man's voice came in, and the tape would go into a colorful swirl, and the voice would count from 10 to one.
Speaker B:Then I would wake up, and the tape would be finished.
Speaker B:I basically don't remember anything other than the countdown and waking up.
Speaker B:So if that's true, who knows, like, what was being.
Speaker B:What she was being hypnotized to do, at least.
Speaker B:So on this particular day, October 1st, Heather drops her co workers off at Circus Circus.
Speaker B:And when they came out, they're like, oh, she's not here.
Speaker B:And they're like, heather is just confused.
Speaker B:She's being Heather, and she can't remember where she's supposed to pick us up.
Speaker B:So they walk to the back.
Speaker A:Which would be offensive if she wasn't already living up to that.
Speaker B:Yeah, no.
Speaker B:I mean, either she's really crafted her dumbbell thing, which is like.
Speaker B:Would be really smart.
Speaker B:Is she.
Speaker B:She was in on it.
Speaker B:Just be like, I will set this up.
Speaker B:So you guys just think I'm.
Speaker B:I'm a ditzy girl.
Speaker B:I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker B:I'm so cute.
Speaker B:So eventually they're like, maybe Heather's not lost.
Speaker B:I guess we have to call.
Speaker B:But this took a while, right, because they, like, had to go all the way through the casino.
Speaker B:They had to, like, go back and forth and look for her.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So it kind of took a bit for them to figure out this had happened.
Speaker B:Not a ton of time, but in heist time time, you know, she's doing good.
Speaker B:So she drove the truck to a warehouse Elise had rented.
Speaker B:And when she got there, Celisa made her change, according to her, at gunpoint into the old lady and tires.
Speaker B:So she had a gun because she was an armored vehicle.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:She says that she took it from him, from her when she got there.
Speaker B:And the way that it's portrayed in the.
Speaker B:In The Netflix show.
Speaker B:It is really scary because you think about it like, you just robbed $3 million.
Speaker B:You're giving this criminal gun that you have.
Speaker B:And so why isn't he, like, I'm really shocked he didn't just kill her and take the money, but I think he needed her to kind of get through.
Speaker B:Get through all this.
Speaker B:So they loaded all the money into shipping boxes, and so they put it into the trunk of a car.
Speaker B:They start driving to the airport, and on the way, the least stops and ships the boxes off from just like a UPS store, wherever.
Speaker B:I'm sure it was a ubs, but he shifts the boxes off.
Speaker A:So Kinko's back then.
Speaker A:It may have been a Kinko's.
Speaker B:I hope it was a Kinko's.
Speaker B:So they go pull up to the airport.
Speaker B:To the airport.
Speaker B:They're at a private.
Speaker B:Private charter jet.
Speaker B:And the week before, they had done a test run where Solis was the old person in the wheelchair, and she was the one pushing them.
Speaker B:So they were establishing this pattern of, like, we serve as old people coming in and out of Vegas.
Speaker B:So they take her, basically.
Speaker B:She gets into a wheelchair, pretends to be sick, and they, like, put her onto the plane, and they wheel her up.
Speaker B:They get it, and they go to Denver.
Speaker B:So eventually they.
Speaker B:You know, when they interviewed people, the pilots are like, you know, she got odd as a really old, sick lady.
Speaker B:And then we got to Denver, she just popped right up and was like, so they fly to Denver, then from Denver, they take a train to St. Louis, they backtrack to New Orleans, and then they went to Miami.
Speaker A:I think they're kind of.
Speaker B:Of split.
Speaker B:And what I understand.
Speaker B:I think she took a bus.
Speaker B:There in Miami is where they're reunited with their $3 million.
Speaker B:Heather said that she, of course, rolled in it because she was like, I'm just throwing all this money out and rolling in it.
Speaker B:But I also appreciate that she said that it hurt.
Speaker B:It smelled bad.
Speaker B:And so I kind of love Heather.
Speaker A:Because it was like, yeah, that sounds really great.
Speaker A:And it's like, oh, it's gonna be really uncomfortable.
Speaker B:But you still have to do it.
Speaker B:You still have to do it.
Speaker B:And then you have to take a really long shower because dirty money is dirty.
Speaker B:Even it was the fresh ones.
Speaker B:Like, this is the stuff they were pulling.
Speaker B:I'm like, money is disgusting.
Speaker B:So during this time, Roberto also brought in another woman who could run errands for him and, you know, fuck him.
Speaker B:It does sound like Heather and him had an open relationship or he was just manipulating her to be like, it's cool, you know, monogamy is her suckers.
Speaker B:I am an artist.
Speaker B:I am a poet.
Speaker B:I need all the vagina.
Speaker B:So, Roberto.
Speaker A:And have another bitch to help keep that chalice full, because that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, that chalice of menstrual bread is going to take a while to fill.
Speaker B:Is that.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's your Diva cup.
Speaker A:Why did I say that?
Speaker B:Like, you know, you're just, like, opening me up for diva cup jokes.
Speaker B:So Roberto and this chick flew to St. Martin.
Speaker B:Martine Martin.
Speaker B:I don't know how you say that one.
Speaker B:And eventually, you know, she follows them there.
Speaker B:The cops did track them down to Miami, but by the time they got to Miami, they were already gone.
Speaker B:So she flies to St. Martin, and eventually the other chick leaves.
Speaker B:And this is when Heather found out that she was pregnant.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, so she's pregnant.
Speaker B:They end up getting fake packages, passports to the Netherlands, which didn't have extradition at that time.
Speaker B:I think it's changed.
Speaker B: And then, so in: Speaker B: And in: Speaker B:And so, you know, he really didn't give up a fight.
Speaker B:She just.
Speaker B:She took $18,000 and some jewelry with her.
Speaker B:So she has a new baby, a fake passport in a foreign country.
Speaker A:Seems like a bad.
Speaker A:Like a bad setup there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Howard's got to pay some bills, and it's Amsterdam.
Speaker B:So sex work.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She becomes a sex worker.
Speaker B:But, you know, eventually, you know, basically kind of learns the ropes, gets in and out.
Speaker B:Got her, her and her son, New Path passports.
Speaker B:They changed.
Speaker B:So basically now they became Dylan and Donna with a British passport.
Speaker B:So they have a British passport.
Speaker B:But there was a catch because those passports were only good for 10 years.
Speaker B:So there's already kind of like this countdown of when things are going to have to change.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Heather tried to make her life as normal as possible for her son, because that was her main goal is, I want to raise my son as normally as possible, but I'm a fugitive.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:She ends up meeting a normal dude and just was kind of living the mom's life.
Speaker B:They never say who that guy is.
Speaker B:We don't know if she's still with him.
Speaker B:But in the.
Speaker B:In the Netflix thing, they're like.
Speaker B:Was like an instant family.
Speaker B:So she's just living in Amsterdam.
Speaker B:Viewers, keep rolling.
Speaker B: By: Speaker B: n this list since it began in: Speaker B:So she was just like the top woman on there.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:But, you know, eventually the being a fugitive is just raring on her.
Speaker B:She's got this deadline, she's got this kid.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:I want to come back to the US And I want to turn myself in.
Speaker B: sterdam to LA in September of: Speaker B:Her fake passport.
Speaker B:And so they were really nervous because she had to go to Vegas to turn herself in.
Speaker B:So she got caught anywhere between Amsterdam and Las Vegas, then she would lose that leverage of surrendering.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she ends up flying to LA in the.
Speaker B:In high.
Speaker B:She has a very cute story about using Oasis as the reason that she was coming, and a terrible English accent as she was talking to the passport guy about it.
Speaker B:And of course she's really nervous.
Speaker B:I think all of us have been nervous going through Passover Control, but for the most part, those guys don't give a shit what you do.
Speaker B:So her lawyer meets her and they.
Speaker B:I guess they drive to Las Vegas.
Speaker B:And she surrendered herself to authorities.
Speaker B:She faced charges of embezzlement, bank fraud, bank robbery, false statements, interstate flight to avoid prosecution, and using a firearm for a violent crime.
Speaker B:Which is kind of weird when you think about it, because she didn't really.
Speaker A:Use it to her for her job.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it was just there.
Speaker B:I mean, she didn't.
Speaker B:I mean, which can.
Speaker A:Matt, I've heard that matters.
Speaker A:I mean, in commission of a crime, but, like, it just.
Speaker A:It doesn't seem like that was part of the crime itself.
Speaker B:That's just weird.
Speaker B:She ended up pleading guilty to one count of obtaining a false passport and to two counts of embezzlement.
Speaker B: years and she was released in: Speaker B:However, she was also ordered to try and repay the $3 million.
Speaker B:So she is paying restitution on that $3 million for the rest of her life unless she wins the lottery.
Speaker A:What about Douche Canoe?
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Douche Canoe.
Speaker B:He gone.
Speaker B:He disappeared into the wind.
Speaker B:She thinks he's dead.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:She's just like, I don't know where he is.
Speaker B:I don't know where.
Speaker B:I don't know where he or the money is.
Speaker B:And if she does know, she's not saying anything, but basically she's like, you know, with his life probably dead.
Speaker B:Like, you can't live like that.
Speaker B:But, you know, one of the reasons that her sentence was so light, because that was a very, you know, five years for a million dollar robbery.
Speaker B:Not to mention that, you know, you let.
Speaker B:You fled.
Speaker B:But she just basically said, you know, blamed a lot of it on Roberto and said, you know, I was really vulnerable.
Speaker B:He took advantage of me.
Speaker B:He used his sex magic and his hypnosis and that just.
Speaker B:He just overrode my judgment.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but she is her son, I think, just graduated college.
Speaker B:You know, she got back in touch with her family, who had.
Speaker B:Because she hadn't spoken to any of her family for the 12 years she was on the run.
Speaker B:So she shows up with, like, a child, and it's like, hi, I'm back in the States, you know, meet your.
Speaker A:New relative, and I'm gonna go check into prison and I'll see you in five.
Speaker A:See, in five.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not minutes.
Speaker A:Years.
Speaker A:Not minutes.
Speaker B:Five years.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it's.
Speaker B:It's an incredible story.
Speaker B:And she's kind of a badass.
Speaker A:Seems so, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Because you sure you like any stories like that.
Speaker A:You're always like.
Speaker A:Like, oh, yeah, right.
Speaker A:No one gets away with that shit, you know, with modern technology.
Speaker B:And she really could have gotten away with it if she really wanted to.
Speaker A:The kid was.
Speaker A:No offense, but, like, the kid was kind of the complicating factor there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If you hadn't had a kid, probably would have been a completely different story.
Speaker B:Even though it's like, when you hear her talk, you know, she hear the actress in her voice talk, but, you know, it's pretty much.
Speaker B:She was like, I'm sick of his.
Speaker B:Because you.
Speaker B:You always get sick of a poet.
Speaker B:Sorry, guys.
Speaker B:Like, no one wants.
Speaker B:No one wants to talk about a poet.
Speaker B:Y' all are fucking annoying.
Speaker B:But, I mean, I also, like, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:You know, let's practice sex magic and write poetry.
Speaker A:Fuck that.
Speaker B:Like, it was like, no, like, you're gonna get over that rule.
Speaker B:Especially if he's the only person you can see in, like, a foreign country.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, I. I have a nightmare being, like, attached to a man like Roberto for the Red Lake.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:So anyway, then he probably is dead.
Speaker B: I mean, just by age: Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Roberto, I hope you died.
Speaker B:I hope you died of something really painful.
Speaker B:Like, I hope, like, you got a splinter and, like, the bottom of your foot.
Speaker B:And it led to blood poisoning.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And you just like had like a gangrenous and yet like gangrenous foot and then like fell off and you died from that.
Speaker B:That's what I hope happened to river too.
Speaker B:Anyhow.
Speaker B:All right, so we're back to the f. We're going back to the other FBI.
Speaker B:All right, so we've got our.
Speaker B:Our new FBI there and there's a.
Speaker A:Monster in that bank.
Speaker A:And you're like, oh, is this FBI on.
Speaker A:In on some.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:It's my first thought then.
Speaker A:And we see Sam's still searching with a flashlight because remember, the power's off in the banks.
Speaker A:He's looking around for.
Speaker A:Trying to figure find the.
Speaker A:The shifter.
Speaker A:And then Dean's down at the.
Speaker A:The vault.
Speaker A:And the chicks like still like fawning over him.
Speaker A:But she's like, I thought you were one of the good guys.
Speaker A:So she's not as fawning now because she thinks that Dean's in on the whole thing and keeping them hostage.
Speaker A:Well then the phone, the.
Speaker A:The little bank phone rings that where the FBI agents and police can contact them.
Speaker A:And it is the FBI agent and he knows who Dean is.
Speaker A:He said that he's been looking for with him.
Speaker A:And Sam calls them Bonnie and Clyde and talks about, hey, we went there.
Speaker A:We went to Clyde's grave.
Speaker A:But basically said he knows about St. Louis, Baltimore and their dad and the desecrations and.
Speaker A:But he kind of goes.
Speaker A:He knows.
Speaker A:He sees that that dad is Dean's weak point obviously here.
Speaker A:And goes off like yeah, ex Marine, you know, has, you know, raised his sons on the road.
Speaker A:Like just really like pushing buttons.
Speaker A:Like basically says that he was some kind of paramilitary, whatever extremist at its fine, you know.
Speaker A:And I didn't know if it was white Supremacy or Timothy McVeigh, but didn't matter.
Speaker B:Yeah, he really did know the button.
Speaker B:Supposed like, oh, don't insult John.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:And Dean, like.
Speaker B:Like you can see like this thing flip.
Speaker B:And I'm like, dude, Dean, like just let it go.
Speaker A:Calm and down.
Speaker A:He's pushing your buttons on purpose.
Speaker A:Take a deep breath.
Speaker A:So agent basically says you got one hour until we come in to come get out.
Speaker A:And then as soon as the agent hangs up, he tells the police five minutes go in.
Speaker A:So they've already lied to the guys.
Speaker A:So Dean thinks they have an hour to fit to sort this shit out.
Speaker A:When in reality this agent sending his.
Speaker A:Having the police go in in five minutes.
Speaker A:The police obviously actually disagree with this decision.
Speaker A:The sergeant's like, no, they Just let a hostage out.
Speaker A:You said you're giving him an hour.
Speaker A:Give him a minute.
Speaker A:Like more than five minutes.
Speaker A:Sentence.
Speaker A:It's not right.
Speaker A:But this FBI agent thinks that the hostages are in danger and says that.
Speaker A:That says basically that Dean's the biggest threat to those hostages.
Speaker A:So anyways, that's the plan.
Speaker A:Sam finds some blood drops outside of a closet.
Speaker A:And this is when a chick's body falls out and it's Sherry's body.
Speaker A:So now we know that the chick that's been fawning over Dean is now the shifter.
Speaker A:And so she's in the vault.
Speaker A:And so they're basically going to let Cheryl out.
Speaker A:Sherry Cheryl.
Speaker A:Her name text is Cheryl, but she was by Sherry.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, I'd rather stay like.
Speaker A:Because that's not suspicious when I.
Speaker A:Someone's trying to release you from a hostage situation.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:They try to get her to.
Speaker A:They lead her to the body that they found because they think that.
Speaker A:So they've got alive Cheryl and show her this dead Cheryl.
Speaker A:But alive Cheryl starts screaming hysterically and freaking out to the point where she faints because they're about to stab her and they're like, wait a minute, what the fuck?
Speaker A:Like, this isn't how a shifter would react.
Speaker A:And just then the quote unquote, dead Cheryl pops to life.
Speaker A:It was the shifter being fucking shifty.
Speaker B:Shifter being shifty, yeah.
Speaker B:One thing that this is not my note that's came from the supernatural wiki, but it's a very, very acute observance.
Speaker B:So we've got live Sherry and we got shifter Sherry.
Speaker B:So shifter Sherry is in a slip?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Live Sherry's in her dress.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Where did the slip come from?
Speaker A:I know, I was one.
Speaker A:I was very confused because I like, what kind of sense.
Speaker A:But like, what did she like sneak that off of real?
Speaker A:I. I don't know.
Speaker B:Or maybe can I have your slip?
Speaker B:Like, what the, like did you just have?
Speaker B:Like, was the shift?
Speaker B:Well, at first I didn't question layers or clothes.
Speaker A:At first I didn't question it too much because I was like, well, obviously she doesn't have the.
Speaker A:She has the slip because it's the dead girl.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We thought it was, you know, before we knew it was the shifter.
Speaker A:So it made kind of sense.
Speaker A:Okay, the shifter stole the clothes.
Speaker A:Well then it was the other way around.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, well it makes sense.
Speaker A:She just threw on a slip.
Speaker A:So to.
Speaker A:To give the guys the slip.
Speaker A:That it was a.
Speaker A:That, that and that Was the thing was that the real clothes had been taken.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But you're right.
Speaker A:Where the.
Speaker A:Did a shifter find a random slip in a bank?
Speaker B:Where do you find a random slip at all?
Speaker B:Like it's really hard to buy slips.
Speaker A:They're not as common as they used to be.
Speaker B:No, they are not.
Speaker B:Emma spot one this weekend when I was panic shopping.
Speaker B:But anyhow.
Speaker B:Okay, so we've got debt Live Sherry Shifter Sherry.
Speaker A:Shifter.
Speaker A:Sherry is fighting Dean now and kicks.
Speaker B:Him in the face like a boss.
Speaker B:Like she's thinking Dean's ass.
Speaker B:I kind of appreciate shifter Sherry.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But he also going on the SWAT breaks into the bank.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So SWAT breaks in.
Speaker B:Then we see that Sherry gets let out.
Speaker B:So she's gone.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:The real.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Real Sherry has gets let out of the bank with a lot of the other hostages.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And so then we see two SWAT guys.
Speaker B:You're going freeze on somebody.
Speaker B:And it's just a silhouette.
Speaker B:But we're just assuming it's Sam.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And but.
Speaker A:And then there's an implication that he's going to be fight.
Speaker A:That he's ready to fight somebody.
Speaker A:So shifter share shifter Sherry is still fighting Dean.
Speaker A:Her skin's peeling off a real gross.
Speaker A:It was very disconcerting.
Speaker A:I did not like that.
Speaker A:And yeah.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker A:And she kicks him in the dick.
Speaker B:Yeah, I do have.
Speaker B:But so is it gonna make it less gross or more gross if I told you that her arm was covered in KY jelly?
Speaker A:That's a good question.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's more or less gross.
Speaker B:So they basically.
Speaker B:To do that they kind of basically put it like an arm condom on her arm and like basically like they lubed her up and then put like a giant fake arm condom on her.
Speaker B:And then like that's what peeled off.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:So like it's fine to know like.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, it's kind of cool they did that.
Speaker A:What I don't want is to feel that sensation of it like peeling off.
Speaker B:I was going to make some very disturbing noises, but I. I don't do it.
Speaker A:Don't do it.
Speaker A:So anyways.
Speaker A:Well then.
Speaker B:So she kicks Dean in the nerds.
Speaker B:And Dean stabs her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so he stabs her.
Speaker A:And then we see SWAT walk in of course.
Speaker A:And it's like well, fuck.
Speaker A:Because now it looks bad.
Speaker A:Now Dean's.
Speaker A:Dean is over another dead girl.
Speaker A:As the law enforcement arrives.
Speaker A:This is not the first time this has happened as we know.
Speaker B:It's not a good look.
Speaker B:Not a good look.
Speaker B:Dean and Then we see a light shining on Dean's face.
Speaker B:And we're all, like, full, fucking, like, screwed.
Speaker B:And it's supernatural.
Speaker B:They're going to prison.
Speaker B:We're done.
Speaker B:This now becomes Prison Break.
Speaker A:But so SWAT starts finding more bodies.
Speaker A:And they're finding the bodies of, like, the.
Speaker A:The guy who.
Speaker A:The African American teller who was a.
Speaker A:This was briefly the shifter.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And when they see the dead shifter, Sherry.
Speaker A:SWAT's like, I just walked her out.
Speaker A:She must have a twin or something.
Speaker A:So the cop.
Speaker A:The cops get with the.
Speaker A:The FBI agent and they're like, I think we know where your guys are.
Speaker A:But I think that, you know, whatever what happened to your guys.
Speaker A:And he's like, what?
Speaker A:That's impossible.
Speaker A:We've seen this whole building come on.
Speaker A:And then they open a closet and there's two SWAT guys in their underwear, bound and gagged, stripped down.
Speaker B:So Sam clearly won.
Speaker B:He did not get.
Speaker A:Sam won that fight.
Speaker A:And so we got sticks.
Speaker A:Renegade starts playing.
Speaker A:If you'd like some.
Speaker A:Your music note here.
Speaker A:And you see two SWAT guys running out of the bank to the parking garage where Baby is parked where they.
Speaker B:Get in, and she needs a bath, she's so dirty.
Speaker A:And Dean says, we are so screwed.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, you are.
Speaker B:But at least you have new SWAT outfits to add to your costumes.
Speaker B:So into the wardrobe that is in Baby's trunk somewhere.
Speaker B:There's just.
Speaker B:Now you have a SWAT outfit in there.
Speaker B:So now you have that.
Speaker B:And that's how the show ends.
Speaker A:And, yeah, so they get away, but they're.
Speaker A:I mean, this is not good.
Speaker A:And it was kind of like.
Speaker A:I mean, I know we talked about a lot.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:I think the reason I like.
Speaker A:I like the episodes I liked Ronald.
Speaker A:I don't like about the episode is that it leaves, like.
Speaker A:Like, enough.
Speaker A:Like, we've got enough, like, ongoing story arcs.
Speaker A:Do we really need them?
Speaker A:Like, really being, like, super hunted by the FBI right now.
Speaker A:See, like, they're still.
Speaker A:Morning, dad.
Speaker A:Sam might turn into something evil.
Speaker A:And now they're being chased while they also continue to hunt monsters.
Speaker A:Like, oh, that sounds exhausting.
Speaker A:That's a lot to deal with.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, they can just go hole up somewhere.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:I mean, look, that chick went on the run for 12 years.
Speaker B:Like, what are you gonna do, Sam and Dean, like, go to Amsterdam?
Speaker B:I think Dean suggested that earlier.
Speaker A:He did suggest Amsterdam.
Speaker A:That was on his list.
Speaker B:Yeah, go smoke some pot and get some sex workers and, you know, enjoy yourself.
Speaker A:Or not.
Speaker A:Just go enjoy Europe and chill.
Speaker B:Get some tulips you know, whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, Dean would be in the red light district for sure.
Speaker B:We know he would.
Speaker A:Yes, obviously.
Speaker A:It'd be weird if he wasn't.
Speaker B:Yeah, I bet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like I said, overall, like, this episode has had some good points, but it overall was just fine.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker B:We love a Ronald.
Speaker A:Except Ronald.
Speaker A:We like Ronald.
Speaker A:Ronald's the winner.
Speaker B:They killed him.
Speaker B:I wish they just, like, adopted him as, like, this little sidekick and he would go around him.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's what I wanted.
Speaker B:Or he would become a hunter.
Speaker B:And then we just have this adorable Ronald hunting things.
Speaker B:He didn't have to kill him.
Speaker B:You could have had another decision.
Speaker B:But anyways, on that note, anything else we have to say?
Speaker A:Nope, that's all I got on this one.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And cheers, jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers, bitch.
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