2:14 Born Under A Bad Sign
Talking about Supernatural Season 2, Episode 14 "Born Under a Bad Sign." Sam is being a creepster but looking fine in his bloody pearl snap shirt. We also travel back to the French middle ages to learn about their apparent rampant demon problem and the possession of Marthe Broussier.
Sources:
- https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/exorcism-marthe-brossier-0010566
- https://www.worldhistory.biz/sundries/33004-brossier-marthe-b-ca-1573.html
- https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/09/the-mysterious-exorcism-of-martha-brossier/
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about French demons and the bored priests who love them.
Speaker B:Plus creepy Sam in a pearl snapshirt.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:Or am I?
Speaker A:I wrote that on.
Speaker A:I wrote that on Impact.
Speaker A:This weekend.
Speaker B:This week, we're going to talk about season two, episode 14, Born Under.
Speaker B:A Bad sign of Supernatural.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker A:Talk about Supernatural and other stuff.
Speaker A:Weird stuff like what you do last week.
Speaker B:So, first off, I was a guest on another podcast called the Custom Couple and talked about the Invasion car show, which is the car show that car Club Them puts on in Deep Ellum every year.
Speaker B:And then I went and saw all the music.
Speaker B:Last weekend I saw a punk band called the Hellions and Dallas at Three Links.
Speaker B:I saw Mothership and part of their set and Speed Dealer at Trees.
Speaker B:And then on Saturday, went and got to see Jamie Lynn Wilson and Jamie Wyatt at Mama Tried.
Speaker B:So we were in Deep Ellum a lot, and it was awesome.
Speaker B:And lots of music.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker B:How about you?
Speaker A:Was Jamie Lee wearing awesome pants?
Speaker B:Jamie Wyatt had the badass pants.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I got to know which Jamie had the awesome pants on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But she looks pretty good.
Speaker B:She had her.
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker B:Her outfit is badass.
Speaker B:Her whole look and her thing is awesome.
Speaker B:And Jamie Lynn Wilson looked adorable, too.
Speaker B:She has a phenomenal hat.
Speaker B:But, yeah, Jamie Wyatt had pants that, like, cream western pants with a snake on them, and they were awesome.
Speaker B:And gold boots.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was very, very jealous of the pictures.
Speaker A:I was like, I want those pants.
Speaker A:How do I make them?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I went to Las Vegas for hacker summer camp and to hang out with people and won the tinfoil hat contest by sheer.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm an asshole.
Speaker A:I literally walked up and won the whole contest after people have been working on it and trying to adjust.
Speaker A:So the way the tin foil hat contest goes at defcon, there's.
Speaker A:There is, like, the hat for, like, the prettiest hat and that.
Speaker A:That bitch had it made.
Speaker A:Like, it was so good.
Speaker A:But then there also is a one that basically they shoot.
Speaker A:I don't know what they're putting at it.
Speaker A:Some sort of, like, beams of crap.
Speaker A:And then, like, you know, you put the hat on, you see how many.
Speaker A:How much of them you deflect.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So how much you can keep the government waves off.
Speaker A:And I wanted to make a turbine because I'M the infosec mystic, so I made a giant foil turbine.
Speaker A:We also brought our own foil because, well, we could.
Speaker A:So I made a giant turbine with a snake coming off the top of it, walked up 15 minutes before the contest is supposed to end, mopped on the mannequin, and won.
Speaker A:Sorry, everybody who worked really hard.
Speaker B:You're inspired by the Grand Prairie Cobra.
Speaker A:I was inspired.
Speaker A:Like, that cobra and that mongoose made my fucking weekend.
Speaker A:Also went to Zach Baggins Haunted Museum, and I had my own EMF reader.
Speaker A:Well, I had the spirit box, and my friend Lori was using the EMF reader, but Spirit box?
Speaker A:Is that a real thing?
Speaker B:What did it keep calling you?
Speaker A:It called me a bitch five times.
Speaker A:So this is the way, like, the ones they gave out work.
Speaker A:And I probably should have, like, gotten the app.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:Can't believe you do this.
Speaker A:And I didn't think to get, like, the app for my phone.
Speaker A:Well, you're not really supposed to use your phone, but maybe I should have brought another one.
Speaker A:All right, so if you go to Zach Baggins Museum, you can go during the day, and during the day, you just take a regular tour, and you go through all the rooms and you see the things and you're like, oh, here.
Speaker A:Like, this is a serial killer room.
Speaker A:This is the.
Speaker A:Oh, remember when we watched that movie Demon House?
Speaker A:I made you watch a documentary of the demon that was in the house in the winter place.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:So he took the stairs from that place.
Speaker A:Remember how underneath the stairs there was, like, the lady's fake fingernail and all that shit?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So he brought the stairs into the museum.
Speaker A:So they're there.
Speaker A:I didn't see any fingernails or panties, though, so I was like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So at night, basically, they only allow 20 people in the museum at one time.
Speaker A:You split into 10 groups.
Speaker A:One person goes.
Speaker A:One group goes downstairs, and one group says the upstairs.
Speaker A:Then you can go into each of the rooms and shut the door in with all the things that are in there and then see what happens.
Speaker A:My spirit box, though, really the way it works is basically the shuffling through AM radio stations.
Speaker A:I think they look like AM frequencies, so it's just picking up frequencies.
Speaker A:So I'm just like.
Speaker A:So, like, there's just some radio station that's saying bitch a lot.
Speaker A:I think it just kept picking it up.
Speaker A:Or all the demons thought I was a bitch.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Either way.
Speaker B:Coin flip.
Speaker A:Coin flip.
Speaker A:You know, one way or the other.
Speaker A:Either.
Speaker A:Yeah, either seem valid there, but they have way too many dolls and way too many clowns.
Speaker A:I just don't.
Speaker A:I don't even understand where this collection comes from.
Speaker A:Like, how did you get so many?
Speaker A:It's just bizarre.
Speaker A:And we did go in one room where it was a small closet.
Speaker A:Lots of dolls.
Speaker A:The em.
Speaker A:Like, our EMF was spiking, and then somebody else came in with their emf.
Speaker A:Then one of the dolls started swinging back and forth.
Speaker A:I think somebody hit it.
Speaker A:Lori says nobody did whatever.
Speaker B:So I would have thrown up.
Speaker A:It was, you know, it was good fun.
Speaker A:It was, but I really wish it was longer.
Speaker A:It was only two hours, and it's not enough time.
Speaker A:Oh, we did get to Texas things.
Speaker A:I got to see Ed Gein's cauldron, which is where he boiled, theoretically, that, you know, somebody had it.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:They said it was his, but where he, like, boiled his meat suits, like, it was a giant cauldron.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So lots of interesting things in there.
Speaker A:I really, you know, I would like to go back and spend more time, but I think they actually only also just do tours.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe I just need to make friends with a Zach.
Speaker A:If you listen, hook a sister up.
Speaker A:I'll go in, and you can look at my spirit box.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that was great fun.
Speaker A:That was Friday night, and Saturday night, we went and got some ramen and then took all my friends to the Golden Tiki, which is my favorite tiki bar in Vegas.
Speaker A:I was very disappointed.
Speaker A:The number of dicks in the bathroom has gone down.
Speaker A:I don't know what's going on.
Speaker A:Tiki, like, come on, more dicks.
Speaker A:And they stopped playing the recording.
Speaker A:So within the bathroom, there is also a phallus museum that has all these statues with giant penises, and it talks about the history of the phallus in magic.
Speaker A:And that was not playing when I was there, and it's very disappointing.
Speaker B:Didn't know dick magic in the bathroom.
Speaker A:I didn't get any dick magic.
Speaker A:So then everybody went home, and I, like the rock star that I am, went to go see a bunch of punk bands at my favorite punk rock place, Double Down Saloon in Vegas.
Speaker A:And then I sprained my ankle because I'm an idiot.
Speaker A:And so now, ready to start this week, I am drinking a watermelon ginger beer because my liver needs a fucking break, and it's just very, very tired.
Speaker A:And so this is made in Austin, so I'm still second local.
Speaker A:It's made by SoCo.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's watermelon ginger beer.
Speaker A:It's delicious.
Speaker A:It would be.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I bought it to mix with cocktails.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Vodka.
Speaker A:I don't need the vodka anymore.
Speaker A:I've had.
Speaker A:I had enough of the vodka.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm enjoying my last Coleman bottle.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have to restock.
Speaker B:It's there.
Speaker B:The Coleman rose that I am quite fond of.
Speaker B:It's delicious.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:We've mentioned.
Speaker B:I've mentioned them before.
Speaker B:It's one of my favorite wineries down in the hill country.
Speaker B:I believe it's technically in high.
Speaker B:It's on the edge there, though.
Speaker A:That's close enough.
Speaker B:Outside of Fredericksburg.
Speaker A:You can walk to it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, man, I forgot.
Speaker A:I was supposed to go to Upper Albert to go see my friend.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:And we'll have to make a trip out there and we can.
Speaker A:I can regal Utilities with lower versus Upper Albert.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Hopefully you're still working there.
Speaker B:We are.
Speaker B:We are overdue for a trip down that way for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, let's hit this episode.
Speaker A:Sure thing.
Speaker A:So it's season two, episode 14, born under a bad side.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:We have a new director in.
Speaker A:His name is Jay Miller Tobin.
Speaker A:He'll direct other things.
Speaker A:And then when I'm not fucking exhausted and didn't get in from midnight in a plane, I'll tell you more about him next time.
Speaker A:So next time we talk about Jay Miller, I'll probably go into a little more details about some of the things he's done.
Speaker A:And this was written by Katherine Humphries, who we've talked about before.
Speaker A:My notes are also going to be very, very short because I was watching this in Vegas at my friend's house while my leg was propped up on a couch and I was.
Speaker A:Sam, Dean must put.
Speaker A:Must put things in computer.
Speaker A:So hopefully my notes make sense.
Speaker A:I have no idea what they say.
Speaker A:So let's try it out.
Speaker A:So we're gonna start off with Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We see Dean on the phone.
Speaker B:He's obviously talking to Ellen and he's.
Speaker B:I'm like, he's looking for somebody.
Speaker B:Oh, no, he's looking for Sam and he's looking for Sam.
Speaker B:And while he's talking to Ellen, Sam calls him and Dean's like, in this.
Speaker B:Like, they find a lot of random industrial parks, by the way, on this.
Speaker B:On this show.
Speaker B:I'm just saying that Anyway.
Speaker B:And so Dean asked where he is.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden you see Dean driving into Twin Lakes.
Speaker B:And we get.
Speaker B:See Dean find Sam in a motel room.
Speaker B:Dean's hands all bloody.
Speaker B:And Sam's just like super like at the word I used was despondent.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of blood and he doesn't know who it is and can't remember anything.
Speaker A:It's a lot of blood.
Speaker A:But he's also wearing a pearl snap shirt.
Speaker A:And I was really.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, I'm a fan of pearl snaps and especially like men in them.
Speaker B:Ooh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:Even though it's covered in blood.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Still kind of does it for me.
Speaker A:I don't know if the blood adds to it or to try, I was gonna say.
Speaker B:Is that better?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean starts to try to like figure out like where the heck Sam's been.
Speaker B:So he comes back, he's been talking to the, the, the front desk person at the motel.
Speaker B:And apparently Sam checked in as Richard Sambora, which is a bunch of references and has been there for a couple of days.
Speaker B:There's really interesting decor in this hotel room, by the way.
Speaker B:It's like super like over the top, mid century, like starbursts and stuff.
Speaker B:But it's all got fucking fish on it.
Speaker B:Like cartoon fish and fishing, like lures and bobbers everywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was fish, fish and bobbers.
Speaker A:I think I called it fish somewhere.
Speaker A:I came up with a name for it.
Speaker A:I don't know, but like fishtastic.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It was just.
Speaker A:This is a good one, guys.
Speaker A:Like, way to go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:High five.
Speaker A:Our director team again on this hotel.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I knew you'd appreciate it too.
Speaker B:So basically Sam's kind of freaking out.
Speaker B:He hadn't have any memories.
Speaker B:They figure out it's been like over a week, that he doesn't really know what's been going on.
Speaker B:But it doesn't seem like it's been that long since he's been with Sam.
Speaker B:So that's a little concerning.
Speaker B:So they decide they're going to retrace the steps and they figure out and like try to like jog his memory by walking around.
Speaker B:And this alley is kind of familiar.
Speaker B:And of course Sam randomly has like the key in his pocket to open this garage door, the storage like garage door thing.
Speaker B:And there is a really beat up old VW inside which kind of looks like it been burned, but kind of not.
Speaker B:And also this is like the second VW reference we've had in a minute because what's her name?
Speaker B:Ava.
Speaker B:Had a really pretty vw.
Speaker B:But anyways, so question.
Speaker A:Can you put cars in the storage units?
Speaker B:Can you or should you?
Speaker A:Are you allowed to like, I don't.
Speaker B:Know it usually if not with gas in it, like I think the storage unit.
Speaker B:But like I know like driving a vehicle into a building, typically you've got to have like under a quarter.
Speaker B:I mean at least like I know from a car shows I've been to is like you have to have under a quarter of a tank of gas and things like that.
Speaker B:Because otherwise it's a risk.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean obviously there's.
Speaker A:I'm sure lots of shady things happen in storage units.
Speaker A:Which is why I wish Storage wars was better and had like more dead bodies.
Speaker A:If like I had more dead bodies and drugs, I would have watched it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so on this episode of Storage wars we found a VW and in a bloody knife.
Speaker A:So VW with the bloody knife.
Speaker A:That's what you win.
Speaker A:That's what you got behind this door.
Speaker A:Guys and menthol cigarettes and well, gross menthol cigarettes.
Speaker B:Yeah, like weird gross menthol cigarettes.
Speaker B:And then they fight.
Speaker B:So they find the receipt for gas.
Speaker B:So they go to the gas station.
Speaker B:Of course it is like this little like retracing mystery thing.
Speaker B:But the clerk like freaks the fuck out when he sees Sam and says that that guy was going to.
Speaker B:He's going to call the cops because that guy was in there like shithoused and grabbed a 40 and threw the bottle at its head and stole cigarettes.
Speaker B:Which is kind of funny to admission say I'm doing that.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I was slightly amused.
Speaker A:But yeah, I think I put it's hinky.
Speaker A:I was like, yeah, I could tell.
Speaker A:I was so hungry over when I was typing this, I'm like.
Speaker A:And he smoked.
Speaker A:That's hinky.
Speaker B:So they kick.
Speaker B:So Dean, Dean talks to the clerk a little bit more and figured out which direction Sam went when he left.
Speaker B:Throws him some money.
Speaker B:So they're driving now the direction that the clerk pointed to and Dean's just like smoking, throwing bottles at people.
Speaker B:That sounds more like me than you.
Speaker B:And I was very amazed.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Accurate.
Speaker B:Good to be self aware, Dean sometimes.
Speaker B:So like suddenly Sam has some weird memory and they pull off to the side road up to this really nice house that has like some crazy ass security lights and camera out front.
Speaker B:And of course they realized that the windows busted out, the alarm's been shorted or like cut.
Speaker B:And the inside of the house is also because of course they just go in because that's what they do.
Speaker B:They like basically.
Speaker B:So like, oh, this, this is just someone's house.
Speaker B:No one answered.
Speaker B:I knocked on the door, but the window's broken and alarms cut.
Speaker B:So, yeah, let's just stroll on in.
Speaker A:Seems.
Speaker B:Seems like a solid plan.
Speaker B:So we're detectives.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so everything's all smashed up and they find a body with a lot of blood.
Speaker A:Bloody corpse.
Speaker B:Bloody corpse.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, convinced that he's the one that killed this person before they even know for sure.
Speaker B:But Dean's not convinced.
Speaker B:And, like, really?
Speaker B:That's kind of like the whole thing of this episode.
Speaker B:So last episode was kind of like Sam having faith and Dean having no faith, then Sam trying to hold onto it.
Speaker B:Now this one's kind of like Sam believing that he did something horrible and Dean not wanting to buy into that because he believes too much in his brother.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:And that's our episode for tonight.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker B:But that's the theme that we're rolling with here.
Speaker B:So then they find, like, a fucking closet with a weapons rack and a murder wall.
Speaker B:So obviously this is a hunter, because they all have weapons racks and murder walls.
Speaker B:That's what they have.
Speaker A:But I also just want to know the design process for this.
Speaker A:Like, you people have like.
Speaker A:Like, you know, it's like, is it a custom deal?
Speaker A:Like, did you build it yourself?
Speaker A:Is there a deal?
Speaker A:Is there a DIY kit for this?
Speaker A:Can I.
Speaker A:Can I put this in my closet?
Speaker A:Because frankly, this is way better than a gun safe or would be really cool as if you had it pull out from underneath the bed.
Speaker A:So then you would just have, like, a rack of like, weapons that would just pull out from your bed.
Speaker A:So somebody breaks into your house at night, they're just like.
Speaker B:I know I said one side, one side weapons, one side sex toys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Don't grab the wrong one.
Speaker B:Don't grab the wrong side.
Speaker A:Well, if you look at my nightstand, it's always like, only go in that top drawer, don't go in the bottom drawer.
Speaker A:I don't tell you which one has the fun stu stuff in it.
Speaker A:But some people get directed to one door and some to the other.
Speaker A:I mean, I know we've seen the ones where they're on the back of the bed frame, like the headboard that has the secret, like, things in it.
Speaker B:But yeah, you hunters or like the America flag, like, wooden thing that.
Speaker B:Or Texas flag ones.
Speaker B:The big wooden ones.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just a wall hanging that's like six inches deep.
Speaker A:All right, so we got a hunter, we got guns.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So they obviously are able to find the footage and they.
Speaker B:The Security footage, because there's cameras all over this motherfucker's house.
Speaker B:And of course we see Sam fighting this guy and slitting his throat.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was a pretty brutal death too.
Speaker A:Like, that was.
Speaker A:That was real graphic.
Speaker B:Very graphic.
Speaker B:Very graphic and very violent.
Speaker B:Which once again, goes back to not really.
Speaker B:Like, at this point, we know a little bit about Sam's nature, especially, like, how he is about life.
Speaker B:And very out of character for his character.
Speaker A:So that was not a character.
Speaker B:So they're both, like, just pretty shocked after watching this footage.
Speaker B:So we cut to Dean frantically trying to clean up any remnants or evidence.
Speaker B:They've been there, both of them.
Speaker B:But Sam is, like, frozen up completely.
Speaker B:He's, like, frozen up, like, reading some letter he found from this guy's daughter and won't.
Speaker B:Just isn't responding even, like, acting at all.
Speaker B:And, like, Dean's like, tell him to do stuff.
Speaker B:He's just not doing anything.
Speaker B:Dean just, like, kind of takes on himself and, like, starts smashing shit.
Speaker B:Smash all the evidence of the footage and things like that.
Speaker B:I don't know if that was the most effective way.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess that's like an effective way to destroy that hard drive with that footage on it.
Speaker B:That'd be pretty hard to recreate at that point.
Speaker A:But, I mean, you could probably pull it back up.
Speaker A:But it also, I think, makes it look like a break in.
Speaker A:Which I was also thinking that was probably beyond just destroying evidence.
Speaker A:Like, let's make it look like somebody came in to try and take something.
Speaker B:That guy had a lot of glass and ceramic items in his house, by the way, all broken.
Speaker B:I'm like, I have, like, some figurines and, like, frame pictures.
Speaker A:He just likes his Chotchkis, man.
Speaker A:Hunter's life is very lonely.
Speaker A:And sometimes you need a tchotchke.
Speaker B:I guess so, yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:And so they know that apparently hunters will come looking for this Hunter is their biggest thing.
Speaker B:So they're trying to cover their tracks.
Speaker B:And yeah, back at the motel of fishiness, Sam still just, like, totally freezing up about everything because he's just overwhelmed.
Speaker B:He's got basically.
Speaker B:He's been filled with rage and hate, and it's getting worse.
Speaker B:And he's convinced that all yellow eyes is making him a killer and that it's happening.
Speaker B:This is what he thinks.
Speaker B:This is what their dad, John, had warned Dean about.
Speaker B:And that it's basically time for Dean to follow through and kill him so that he doesn't hurt anybody.
Speaker A:Indeed.
Speaker A:Won't do it.
Speaker B:No, Dean won't.
Speaker B:Dean refuses Repeatedly.
Speaker B:He thinks we can figure it out and.
Speaker B:And believes that Sam can fight through it.
Speaker B:And there's a really pretty dramatic, sad, but also not gonna lie kind of annoying scene about Sam putting a loaded gun in Dean's hand.
Speaker B:Dean.
Speaker B:Dean says, I'd rather die.
Speaker B:Sam's like, you'll live to regret this.
Speaker B:And then pistol whips him.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And now Dean's unconscious.
Speaker B:Dean's unconscious.
Speaker A:And so he gets woken up by a hotel clerk.
Speaker A:He wants a room for a sex worker.
Speaker A:And her job.
Speaker A:Girl's got to make her money.
Speaker A:Dean, get out.
Speaker B:It's past checkout, fool.
Speaker B:These folks want to bang.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Sam, of course, took baby and left Dean without a car.
Speaker B:And Sam or Dean goes and, like, uses the clerk's computer.
Speaker B:So apparently Dean does kind of know how to use a computer.
Speaker B:Usually it's Sam doing it, so.
Speaker B:But Dean gets on and is.
Speaker B:Makes some, like, terrible story about how his son snuck out for a Justin Timberlake concert.
Speaker B:And he's trying to put a tracker on his phone.
Speaker B:So that's how he finds Sam.
Speaker A:And Timberlake is a triple threat.
Speaker A:She ain't wrong.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's not not wrong.
Speaker B:And so he starts heading to Duluth, Minnesota.
Speaker B:I didn't map how far that would actually take, but that's okay.
Speaker B:And so we see.
Speaker B:We cut to a Dark Hills bar in Duluth, and who do we find working at this bar?
Speaker B:Joe Ellen's dog.
Speaker A:And if you think the bar looks familiar, it's because it's the same set.
Speaker A:And they just move things around to make it look not totally like the Roadhouse, but it's the Roadhouse.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't know this.
Speaker B:The bar configuration was completely different.
Speaker B:That's what they're.
Speaker A:Yeah, they.
Speaker B:They change things around a square bar that comes out.
Speaker B:It was a straight bar against the back wall.
Speaker B:And that's why I didn't.
Speaker B:That's why I didn't notice.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So, yeah, she's closing, but she's already, like.
Speaker B:The fact that Sam's there alone and she asked for Dean is.
Speaker B:And he's like, he couldn't make it.
Speaker B:She's already, like.
Speaker B:Seems a little bit suspicious, but she also.
Speaker B:We have to keep in mind that her relationship with these brothers is not phenomenal.
Speaker B:So, yeah, he's.
Speaker B:He's basically like.
Speaker B:She asked what he.
Speaker B:What Sam wants, and he said he wants to square things up because of their dads or whatever, which is also weird.
Speaker B:And he takes off his jacket, and you see, like, this weird mark slash.
Speaker B:I called.
Speaker B:I Wrote down like a brand on his arm and he tries to cover it and blames it on a hot stove.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:He's trying to empathize, like sympathize and empathize with her about how his dad, how John was and that, you know, he knows he was obsessed, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But she asked about Dean then and his demeanor kind of turns.
Speaker B:Like the acting in this episode is actually really fucking good.
Speaker B:I think he really like pulls off layers of character and he's like an onion.
Speaker B:Like an onion.
Speaker B:He has layers or a parfait.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So but he's like really pulling off like this.
Speaker B:Like I'm super sympathetic, but also gets real like snarky all of a sudden and like just kind of like mean.
Speaker B:And that's just not.
Speaker B:He's just not usually.
Speaker B:I mean, Sam's not usually a mean spirited character.
Speaker B:So it sticks out and like talks like.
Speaker B:Starts laughing and like making a crack about her carrying a torch for Dean and just kind of like.
Speaker A:Just mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's being mean.
Speaker A:He's poking her buttons.
Speaker A:And then he gets real rapey and.
Speaker B:He gets real rapey, grabs her arm and you can tell then that the burn on his arm brand or whatever is a symbol of some kind.
Speaker B:And then he's like very aggressive, talking about how he can be more to her.
Speaker B:And she tells him to leave and toss and like he tossed her hand away.
Speaker B:And then as soon as he's about to leave, he does get extra rapey and that's when he grabs her and like ties her and knocks her out on the bar and then ties her to a pole.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:While the Crystal Ship by the Doors plays on a jukebox.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fucking Doors.
Speaker B:Like, oh man.
Speaker B:Like you're gonna tie me up and make me listen to the Doors.
Speaker A:That's just cruel, man.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:But yeah, so like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I was impressed in this just like watching the dem.
Speaker B:It was also very uncomfortable to watch.
Speaker B:But I guess that was on purpose and it's supposed to be.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So he starts telling a story about what actually supposedly happened between their dads.
Speaker B:And the problem is, is that you know that this.
Speaker B:Well, at this point you don't know.
Speaker B:But this Sam telling the story and saying that like, basically Ellen's dad and John were on a hunt out to get this hell spawn and John was overeager and exposed her to Ellen's husband, Joe's dad, to who was acting as bait and the thing turned and killed him.
Speaker B:But not actually.
Speaker B:That's what happened actually.
Speaker B:Apparently when it turned to kill him, it didn't actually kill him.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And John killed him to put him.
Speaker A:John killed him?
Speaker A:Yeah, because he was dying.
Speaker A:And either way, like, I still.
Speaker A:Like, I don't blame John for any of this shit.
Speaker A:Like, you're a fucking hunter.
Speaker B:Like, that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, oh, like, yeah, that's upsetting to hear, and it sucks to have not known that.
Speaker B:But at the same time, does it change anything?
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker B:Your perception of these people is still the fucking same.
Speaker B:They're both hunters.
Speaker B:They were signed up for.
Speaker B:They knew what they signed up for.
Speaker B:And at the same time, like, he wasn't gonna live.
Speaker B:It was trying to put him out of his misery, which I know is fucked to talk about, and I would not want to have to do that to another human being ever.
Speaker B:But is it like, it's kind of.
Speaker B:Is it kind of like the old, like the zombie trope of, like, oh, if I turn, if I get bitten, shoot me?
Speaker B:Kind of like.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, not like.
Speaker B:But that's kind of like, if I.
Speaker A:Get bit, shoot me.
Speaker B:You know, like, there's not.
Speaker A:Well, it's like he was dying and so.
Speaker A:Yeah, but either way.
Speaker A:And even if he was bait, like, I'm sure he agreed to it.
Speaker A:I don't think John tricked him.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure it was like, this is our plan.
Speaker B:We are a mission together.
Speaker A:And you don't know what happened on that mission.
Speaker A:It could have been like, he volunteered and said, no, you stay here.
Speaker A:Like Momo.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're fucking hunters.
Speaker A:You died.
Speaker A:That's what happened.
Speaker A:Shut up, Joe.
Speaker B:So I know I was kinda like, so anyways, of course we get.
Speaker B:So then he says, like, once he gets creepy again, he's like, daddy like daughter.
Speaker B:You're gonna be bait.
Speaker B:And he gags her.
Speaker B:So anyways, oh, there's a real creepy thing before everybody sings.
Speaker B:My daddy shot your daddy in the head.
Speaker B:That was fucking creepy.
Speaker B:Whoever wrote that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't write that down because it was gross.
Speaker B:And so anyway, so Dean gets there, of course, and Dean won't, you know, and Sam's begging, like, to be shot again, but Dean won't do it again.
Speaker B:And says mean things like, you're so scared of being alone that you'd rather let Joe die.
Speaker B:Which is harsh.
Speaker B:But then Dean throws holy water on Sam and Sam starts burning.
Speaker B:So now we know Sam possessed all along.
Speaker B:All along he's been possessed.
Speaker B:And then he gets the Creepy black eyes.
Speaker B:And then he runs away.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker B:So, yeah, the end.
Speaker A:And we're dead.
Speaker B:And then, of course, they find another fucking warehouse.
Speaker B:Like, once again, industrial parks, like, are their expertise, apparently, for their set workers.
Speaker B:So they're in a warehouse.
Speaker B:And now I had to start writing, so it wasn't confusing that I had to write down evil.
Speaker B:Evil.
Speaker B:I use S and D as the symbols, like when I'm my notes.
Speaker B:So now I've got evil, S, the evils.
Speaker B:And basically confesses that he's killing hunters, and that's what he's trying to do right now.
Speaker B:And so then there's a lot of back and forth and it's dramatic.
Speaker B:And then he shoots Dean and Dean falls off the dock.
Speaker A:Pew.
Speaker A:Stash.
Speaker B:Sound effects.
Speaker A:Dean's dead.
Speaker A:Numerous areas.
Speaker A:Supernatural.
Speaker B:So show's over.
Speaker B:That's all we got.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So then, of course, Jo shows up, because she wasn't going to come, but whatever, she had to come help.
Speaker B:And she's looking for Dean.
Speaker B:She hears his phone ringing and finds him on, like, a lower level of the dock, which I like.
Speaker B:That phone's impressive if it made it through him falling in the water.
Speaker B:But different conversation for a different day.
Speaker B:And she takes him back to the bar and digs the bullet out.
Speaker B:And I do have a functional question here.
Speaker B:So when they pull the bullet out, why do they put it in liquid?
Speaker B:It's like alcohol, right?
Speaker B:They're trying.
Speaker B:Like, it's not going back in.
Speaker B:You don't need to be fucking sanitized.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:Just things that annoy me and Diana's deep thoughts.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Seriously?
Speaker A:Thoughts like what?
Speaker A:Why are you doing this?
Speaker A:This doesn't need to be preserved from formaldehyde.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker B:It's not necessary.
Speaker B:It doesn't need to be cleaned.
Speaker B:You're not going to reuse it.
Speaker A:Maybe they wanted to lick it and do something with it later.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe you had to take a shot of that bullet.
Speaker B:It's going to make a necklace.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Actually, if that was my brother, yeah, I would fucking make a necklace of that.
Speaker A:And then I would be like, bitch, remember the time you shot me?
Speaker A:Like, oh, hey, brother, remember the time you shot me in the ass with a BB gun?
Speaker A:And you like to tell all your friends that story every time you introduce me to them?
Speaker A:Yeah, motherfucker, I would have that bullet in my neck and then rub it in your face every time and be like, remember that time you tried to kill me, bro?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, Good Point.
Speaker B:So yeah, basically Dean is explaining to he, to Joe that he wasn't positive that Sam was possessed, but he also knew that Sam couldn't just do those things in on his own.
Speaker B:So like we all know as well I think at this point.
Speaker B:And so she's kind of trying to dig around and figure out if demons can tell the truth though she wants to know if the story that, that Sam told her about their dads is accurate or not.
Speaker B:Because she was pretty shaken by it, so.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, they can't tell the truth if they know it'll with you.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker B:They just, they're just gonna tell you whatever they can to with you.
Speaker B:They'll lie, they'll tell the truth.
Speaker B:It just has to with you is the.
Speaker B:Yeah, but so obviously Dean's gonna go after Sam the next closest hunters in South Dakota.
Speaker B:And so he like tells Joe, don't follow me, don't come with me and runs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And being that he's calling the hunter and the line gets cut.
Speaker A:I know the show very well.
Speaker A:This is how hung up for it was.
Speaker A:I was like, South Dakota.
Speaker A:Like I completely forgot.
Speaker A:I forgot who was in South Dakota.
Speaker B:Oh, really?
Speaker B:See, I didn't remember either, so.
Speaker B:Because I'm not as familiar.
Speaker B:So I was very upset.
Speaker B:We do get, you know, a scene with, you know, Dean's driving a really shitty boxy sedan and trying to call this hunter.
Speaker B:And you see Sam cut a phone line and knock on the door and it's fucking Bobby.
Speaker A:God damn it, Bobby.
Speaker A:Oh no, it's Bobby.
Speaker A:Stranger danger.
Speaker A:All right, so Bobby.
Speaker B:So Bobby's like, oh yeah, like, oh.
Speaker A:Sam, come on in.
Speaker A:Where's your brother?
Speaker B:Oh, let's have a beer.
Speaker B:And opens beers.
Speaker B:But Bobby is too smart for this don't around with any demons because he's got a little bit of holy water in his beer.
Speaker B:So when he gives Sam the beer, Sam starts like smoking and sputtering like, don't try to, don't try to con a con man.
Speaker B:And punches him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Bobby, I love you so much.
Speaker B:Bobby's awesome.
Speaker B:So yeah, I think like this part, like it gets a little intense in parts of this too.
Speaker B:Like I'm glad they had the light heartedness and.
Speaker B:And I'm glad that Bobby is an ongoing charact character.
Speaker B:But there we go.
Speaker B:So Bobby and Sam, Bobby and Dean have Sam tied up in the Devil's Trap, exactly where they had Meg.
Speaker B:And Bobby starts the exorcism basically there.
Speaker B:And Dean's trying to get answers, but also wants to Kill demons to protect Sam from the master plan.
Speaker B:But this demon's like, I don't give a about the master plan that Old Yellow Eyes has.
Speaker B:I just don't want to be in hell anymore because it sucks.
Speaker B:Sucks is a summary of what's happening.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:This demon is able to like break free and stop.
Speaker B:Stop having the exorcism doesn't affect them and is able to break free of it.
Speaker B:Bobby notices the marker on Sam's arm and it's a binding link which is like a lock apparently from.
Speaker B:To connect this demon to Sam's body.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So I think, yeah, I think we should talk about some other exorcisms that didn't work because, you know, we have plenty of exorcisms to talk about.
Speaker A:So I think it's time for a little more lore.
Speaker A:On daemons, more diamonds.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:Know where we're going?
Speaker A:We're going back to France.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because all the demons are in France.
Speaker B:Are you gonna do your French accent for us again?
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: And we're back in the: Speaker A:So we're going back to almost the same time as the.
Speaker A:We were back with the devils of Lebanon.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about Martha Grassier.
Speaker A:I think it's how you say her last name.
Speaker A: She was born around: Speaker A:Everybody says, like, I'm supposed to know where the fucking France that is.
Speaker A:I looked on a map and I was like, ah, mille France.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:So she was, you know, kind of like the village oddball.
Speaker A:And she was not destined to be married.
Speaker A:So she tried to run away from home dressed as a man, but they captured her and brought her back to her family because those people sucked.
Speaker A:I'm like, let the poor girl run.
Speaker A:She just wants to live her life as a dude.
Speaker A:Let her go.
Speaker A:But now.
Speaker A:So they brought her back.
Speaker A: So now we're at: Speaker A:So her neighbor, who had also unfortunately committed the crime of being an unmarried middle aged woman, was arrested for witchcraft.
Speaker A:And oddly enough, this woman's sister had also married a dude who was supposed to marry Martha's sister.
Speaker A:What a coincidence that the woman who got put in jail for witchcraft was from the family that fucked with Martha's family.
Speaker A:So strange how that works.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:So she spent a year in prison, and eventually she gets out for reasons we'll say.
Speaker A:But so other possession symptoms that Martha had.
Speaker A:So she had outbursts in which she would writhe, scream, contort her face and body into seemingly inhuman positions, roll her eyes back in her head, pants, groan, and growl like an animal.
Speaker A:She would also allegedly stick her tongue out farther than any normal human, endure pinpricks without any reaction or apparent pain, speak with her mouth still shut, often in languages that she wasn't supposed to know, like English and Greek, and displayed incredible thinks of strength during these episodes.
Speaker A:Most ominously, she was reportedly able to leap across the room while lying on her back.
Speaker A:And witnesses claimed that she would sometimes apparently be dragged across her bed or the floor by unseen hands.
Speaker A:So, yeah, she's.
Speaker A:She was having some.
Speaker A:Some issues.
Speaker B:Yeah, sounds unpleasant.
Speaker B:Sounds unpleasant.
Speaker A:And so her family was like, cool, you've got these issues.
Speaker A:You know what we really get to do with that?
Speaker A:We're gonna get on the road and we're gonna have a road show because you possessed.
Speaker B:That's dark.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they take their new demon star to Paris and around France.
Speaker A:And you remember the last time we were talking about French demons possessing you other nuns and how, like, then the Huguenots and Catholics were fighting.
Speaker A:Well, this is that same time.
Speaker A:So that's still going on.
Speaker A:We've got Protestants, you got Catholics, and the Catholics are like, hey, we can use her to say that the Protestants are in league with the devil.
Speaker A:And lucky for them, too, like, that Martha's demon often called himself the Prince of the Huguenots.
Speaker A:So convenient.
Speaker A:So many lucky things happen with Israeli.
Speaker A:So the church gave her a certificate to show that she was possessed.
Speaker A:And the church, some of them went with her and Martha and they went on tour, and they would, you know, go to town and she'd get a demon.
Speaker A:She'd be like, I'm possessed by Beelzebub.
Speaker A:I'm the Prince of the Huguenots.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, exercise you demons.
Speaker A:Then she's like, it would, like, spit out of her mouth and like, oh, no, it's back in.
Speaker A:So then now we have to go to the next town.
Speaker A:So she.
Speaker A:This is becoming, you know, because they have nothing else to do.
Speaker B:Exorcist exhibitionism.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: And it's, you know, the: Speaker A:Not a lot to do in France.
Speaker A:I mean, besides, you know, occasionally watch people die from the plague.
Speaker A:Like, what the fuck else?
Speaker A:Oh, I guess there were the priests that were fucking and Fighting that we talked about before.
Speaker A:So anyways.
Speaker A:But everyone's coming out to see her.
Speaker A:And she started to attract the attention of the court and King Louis IV ordered that an exorcism be performed.
Speaker A:And it's also kind of interesting, you look at the timeline and wanting to see how it lined up, because Louis Ivan was a Catholic than a Protestant than a Catholic, I think.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I might have one of those out of order.
Speaker A:But I think at this time he was turning back to Catholicism.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But that, you know, it's like.
Speaker A:Because if he wanted her to be exercised, he must obviously be back in the Catholicism phase.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But this, politically speaking, I think this is all just really interesting.
Speaker A:So she gets brought to the Abbey of say some word in French.
Speaker A:Liz can't say where the Bishop of Paris and King Louis physician were waiting.
Speaker A:So his personal physician was like, I don't believe that she's possessed by.
Speaker A:By a demon.
Speaker A:And, you know, as much as I would like to say, well, he's a doctor and believes in science.
Speaker A:I mean, he also probably believed I could just shove leeches on you and, you know, that'll cure, you know, whatever phantoms are inside of you.
Speaker B:But yeah, or cut your dick off and make you drink your pee.
Speaker B:Like they do another.
Speaker B:Another show that we watched, you know, that could happen.
Speaker A:So he was like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't really believe her.
Speaker A:So she comes into the app, the.
Speaker A:And she starts spasming and she's saying all kinds of different things and different languages and voices and they're all vile.
Speaker A:I'm sure there are things like fuck your mother, whatever, but in French.
Speaker A:So, no, I don't say fucking French.
Speaker A:I don't say Maersk.
Speaker A:So she probably said Mercedes a lot, that shit.
Speaker A:So she was just like, sacrament, like everywhere.
Speaker A:And so she's like, she's cursing all this stuff and the bishop puts a piece of the quote unquote true cross in her mouth and she starts screaming and writhing.
Speaker A:So I am.
Speaker B:Obviously she's possessed then.
Speaker A:Obviously she's possessed.
Speaker A:So true cross, though, if it is what I think it is, that it was supposed to be, like, basically a relic that was supposed to come off the crucifix that Christ was crucified on.
Speaker A:And there have been like, other versions of this relic, but most of them have been tested.
Speaker A: m like, oh, this one's in the: Speaker A:Because that's what people do.
Speaker A:And they go, I've got a relic for you.
Speaker A:Would you like to buy it.
Speaker A:So anyway, she's screaming and writhing and the bishop is like, she is truly possessed.
Speaker A:But the physician said, may name or in French, you know, he would be like, no, no.
Speaker A:So it's like, no, no, I switched out the cross, but it was just a piece of wood.
Speaker B:So tricked her, told you she was.
Speaker A:A fraud or something like that in French, but you know.
Speaker A:And the bishop was like, no, it's still a demon.
Speaker A:So the bishop is still like, nah, I believe this bitch.
Speaker A:And so it was like, I put a piece of wood in their mouth and they're like, like, yeah, no, she.
Speaker A:She shouldn't know.
Speaker A:Great women.
Speaker B:We're real bored.
Speaker B:We really want.
Speaker A:Yeah, women shouldn't know other languages.
Speaker A:How did she learn English?
Speaker A:Clearly she is possessed.
Speaker A:So one of the other bishops of the Archbishops of Lyon, Charles Mehrand, though, he was like, yeah, you know, maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe she's not.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Let's do more things.
Speaker A:So I'm like, let's fuck with Martha.
Speaker A:So first they like giving her holy water to drink, but don't tell her that it's holy water and nothing happens.
Speaker A:So she's just like.
Speaker A:Like other.
Speaker A:Why she's drinking water during this time?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:You're fucking crazy.
Speaker A:You should have been drinking wine.
Speaker A:That's how you get dysentery or typhoid or whatever.
Speaker A:You get something bad, you're gonna.
Speaker A:You're gonna be pooping a lot.
Speaker A:That's all I know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But then they gave her regular water and they told her it was holy water.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden it burns.
Speaker A:It burns.
Speaker A:And my.
Speaker A:Because I can't take it.
Speaker A:Then they give her a key wrapped in silk and they're like, this.
Speaker A:Is this the true cross is in here?
Speaker A:And it's like, eek.
Speaker A:Oh no, it hurts.
Speaker A:Then the priest was like, I'm gonna exorcise you and I'm gonna start saying Latin prayers.
Speaker A:And so she's like, oh, no, please, no, your head spinning around and that.
Speaker A:But it wasn't actually an exorcism.
Speaker A:Prayer.
Speaker A:Prayer.
Speaker A:Also, there is something that just popped up on my.
Speaker A:My zoom screen that said, are you recording music?
Speaker A:So apparently.
Speaker A:Argh.
Speaker A:Sounds like you're making a band.
Speaker A:Anyway, so the priest was actually saying Virgil's Aeneid.
Speaker A:That's not how you say that words.
Speaker A:How do you say that?
Speaker A:Fuck.
Speaker A:Sorry, AP Lit.
Speaker A:English for not knowing my Roman author's names.
Speaker A:So Virgil's thing, that wasn't the Iliad.
Speaker A:The other thing I Don't know how to pronounce or doesn't say anus because it sounds like anus, and we're gonna go with it.
Speaker A:So he's basically just reading her a poem.
Speaker A:And she was like, ah.
Speaker A:They're like, no.
Speaker A:So, but.
Speaker B:So these priests and bishops are just real fucking bored and having fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What else would you have to do all day, you know, like, besides just trying?
Speaker B:This was before Netflix, guys.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Besides, like, trying to, you know, establish the people patriarchy and fuck with all the poor people around you.
Speaker A:What else was there for you to do?
Speaker A:So they're like, yo, Martha, you're faking.
Speaker A:And so that's how the other woman got out of jail.
Speaker A:However, people were like, that bitch can go across a bed by herself.
Speaker A:Like, I don't care.
Speaker A:Like, she's a.
Speaker A:She's got a demon in her.
Speaker A:Beelzebub is inside of Martha.
Speaker A:So she just kept touring around the country till she died.
Speaker A:People would just keep coming to see.
Speaker B:Her and pay money to go see her.
Speaker A:I mean, she found her.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:There are also a lot of things that think that Martha really believed this, and she was suffering from severe mental problems, and it was just like some.
Speaker B:Severe schizophrenia, like, or untreated or whatever.
Speaker A:The woman who went to jail for witchcraft, honestly, she was like, I don't blame her.
Speaker B:Her.
Speaker A:Like, she's.
Speaker A:She's mentally ill. Like, she didn't.
Speaker A:She didn't think that it was her.
Speaker B:Fault, especially in that era.
Speaker B:That's pretty bold to believe that.
Speaker A:It's pretty bold.
Speaker A:It also makes me think how shitty was Martha's family?
Speaker A:Because it's just like, oh, you know, my child is clearly having some sort of mental breakdown.
Speaker A:I'm going to make a sideshow of her and make some coin.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker A:So, unfortunately, yeah, she doesn't have a binding.
Speaker A:She didn't be.
Speaker A:Elsa Blood maybe had a binding link on her arm, which is where we're getting back to.
Speaker A:All right, so that was a tale of Martha Rossier.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Our French demons.
Speaker A:You just keep on giving French demons.
Speaker B:Those French demons and those silly.
Speaker B:And those silly French priests.
Speaker A:Silly, silly potters.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Basically, so since Sam has this bind, evil Sam has this.
Speaker B:This demon bound to him.
Speaker B:And it is the same demon that was in Meg and is able to break free of the seal because apparently they've learned new tricks and throws Bobby and Dean both across the wall and then starts punching Dean a lot and talking about how bad hell is even for Dean demons.
Speaker B:So Dean's not doing Great.
Speaker B:He's getting his ass kicked.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker B:But anyway, so the.
Speaker B:He planned to torture Dean but sees that Dean tortures himself, which is dark and sad also.
Speaker B:And then couldn't.
Speaker B:That Dean couldn't save dad or brother.
Speaker B:But we also.
Speaker B:Then who pops up but Bobby because Bobby's awesome and has a.
Speaker B:The poker from the fire and burns the brand off of evil Sam's arm, which breaks the leg.
Speaker B:That sounds very painful.
Speaker A:It looks so bad.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, breath poker.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker B:And so we get ginormous demon smoke coming out of Sam and goes out the chimney.
Speaker B:And then Sam is unconscious and wakes up and says, did I miss anything?
Speaker B:And Dean punches him real hard in the face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which apparently was not scripted.
Speaker A:And Jensen Ackles just put it in.
Speaker A:But I think it worked.
Speaker B:It did work.
Speaker B:It was good.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It made sense.
Speaker B:It was funny.
Speaker B:I mean, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's pretty fair.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:When they're.
Speaker B:They're getting ready to leave and Bobby basically asks them about this hunter named Steve Wendell, which is actually the one that they found that.
Speaker B:That he was found dead.
Speaker B:And that's the one that Sam did kill when he was possessed.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But that Bobby's like, yeah, his buddies won't listen to reason and he's gonna.
Speaker B:They're gonna go after whoever, anyone or anything that might have had something to do with it.
Speaker B:And Dean smartly says, never heard of him.
Speaker B:Sam tries to say something, but luckily shuts the fuck up.
Speaker A:And Bobby's like, let's keep it that way.
Speaker B:And then Bobby gives some charms.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:Keeps demon from getting up in you.
Speaker B:That's what he says, you know, but.
Speaker A:He likes that demon up at you just.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:Dean replies.
Speaker B:Sounds vaguely dirty, but thanks because.
Speaker A:Sound dirty.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so then we.
Speaker B:We've got the brothers back in, baby.
Speaker B:We got Back on the Road Again by REO Speedwagon on the radio, so.
Speaker A:Which if you remember, was what Dean was making fun of Joe for listening to.
Speaker B:Oh, that's right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:I was also just amused because it was Aria Speedwagon, which is actually.
Speaker B:So the band Speed Dealer that I saw on Friday night.
Speaker B:They used to call themselves Arya Speed Dealer.
Speaker B:But then they got.
Speaker B:They got.
Speaker B:I think they got a desist.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not the first like hard rock Dallas fan to do that.
Speaker A:Sometimes.
Speaker B:Sometimes it's a benefit to do that shit.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:Kind of.
Speaker B:Kind of funny.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:So Sam starts remembering some of what happened and is pretty upset that Dean's not Really willing to kill him.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, no, I'm, I'm intent on saving you and I'm only gonna kill you if I can't save you.
Speaker A:Yeah, so stop asking because it's annoying.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker A:Like none of us like it.
Speaker A:It's really, really annoying.
Speaker A:Are you over it now, Sam?
Speaker A:Please stop.
Speaker B:He's not gonna be over it, is he?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's a no.
Speaker B:He's not gonna be over it.
Speaker B:Oh, keep listening to him.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Kill me man.
Speaker B:Kill me.
Speaker B:I'm gonna be evil.
Speaker A:So anyway, so Sam gets some shit and Dean basically tells him to shut the fuck up and that you had a girl inside of you for a week.
Speaker A:And that's pretty naughty.
Speaker A:And I did appreciate that ending.
Speaker A:He's naughty.
Speaker B:That was pretty funny ending.
Speaker B:I was like, oh.
Speaker B:Like, oh, it's a good light hearted ending for it that they needed.
Speaker B:They kind of needed it.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean there were something about this episode bothered me.
Speaker B:I don't know what it is.
Speaker B:I can't put my finger on it but the kind of like something about like the jump back and forth.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Maybe it was just because the episode made me uncomfortable and I think that was the purpose of it.
Speaker A:I don't think it was supposed to.
Speaker B:Be a comfortable episode.
Speaker B:It's an upsetting episode because not only we know, we know that Santa's possessed and you kind of start wondering that early but you also wonder, did he just turn evil?
Speaker B:And so I think that it's like, like, like that they keep saying he will like not as being someone that doesn't.
Speaker B:I don't know what's going to happen in the next episode.
Speaker B:So I'm watching and going, oh my gosh, is Sam actually turning evil and Dean's going to cover for him or is this a, you know, something else going on to see Possessed and like, I don't know, I found it kind of uncomfortable with, with that and the battle that Dean's having and being desperate to save his brother and follow on.
Speaker B:It's like, well, is he just going to do that forever and like follow and like cover whenever he does something bad?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought that was kind of, it was kind of upsetting in that regard.
Speaker B:I don't, I think there was something in how it was like edited or directed that I didn't love and sorry to this team by something about the way like the scenes jumped I didn't like.
Speaker B:But that's just me well, yeah, I.
Speaker A:Would say that when I started taking notes on this and there was a lot of jump shots and things, I was like, man, this is really hard to write about.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker B:That's part of it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there is that back and forth, which does make for interesting television.
Speaker A:But it's hard if you're trying to do a narration of it.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I think part of the uncomfortable thing is it's, one, because it's being shot.
Speaker A:Two, you have an annoying trope that's in there.
Speaker A:And then because we had the are you evil?
Speaker A:Are you not evil?
Speaker A:Thing with Dean already, because we have the evil shifter Dean.
Speaker A:And they did play that out, like, a long time.
Speaker A:And then they also made Sam's demon person very uncomfortable.
Speaker A:And one of the things, though, I think if you're going to have Meg possessed in there, because we're fucking Meg.
Speaker A:We hated Meg.
Speaker A:There was none of Meg in Sam's character.
Speaker A:And I don't think that's a choice on Jared Padalecki's.
Speaker A:I think that was a script choice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, you might.
Speaker B:There was a tiny bit when he was getting, like, all, like.
Speaker B:But see, she would have been like, sexy sluts.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She would have been like.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker B:Not like, Joe, I'm gonna grab your arm.
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The teasing part about Joe's father was similar to the Meg demon, but other thing, like, even when he was, like, needling Dean and all that stuff, it wasn't the same cadence.
Speaker A:It wasn't just the same type of language that that character was using.
Speaker A:So I think it would have been more effective if they had turned that and made it just a little bit more so we could identify that demon just a little bit more inside of Sam.
Speaker A:That girl was inside of him.
Speaker B:That was inside of him all week.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Naughty.
Speaker B:So naughty.
Speaker A:Using him as her meat puppet.
Speaker A:I think this is one of the first times we get meat puppet in here.
Speaker A:I'm a meat puppet of meat suit.
Speaker A:There's some fair phrases.
Speaker A:Anyways, Diana has a great face on.
Speaker A:She's like, I don't like your meat puppets.
Speaker A:Everyone loves puppets.
Speaker B:Do they?
Speaker B:I like muppets.
Speaker A:It's a RuPaul line.
Speaker B:Catch up on that one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker A:That's all I have.
Speaker A:I think that's it for this episode.
Speaker A:I don't really know anything else you could say except, it gets better, Sam, stop being a dick.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is that the last we'll see of Joe?
Speaker A:We don't know.
Speaker A:Last we'll see of Bobby.
Speaker A:We don't know.
Speaker B:Better not be.
Speaker A:Pretty sure it's not the last time we're gonna see Bobby.
Speaker A:That one I can give away as a spoiler.
Speaker B:Give that one a little bit.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so I think we're done for the week.
Speaker A:Alrighty.
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