3:09 Malleus Maleifcarum
Join us as we try to say the title Supernatural Season 3, Episode 9 "Malleus Maleifcarum." Learn about Diana's love of hex sacks and the Apocalypse Chickens of the Yorkshire Witch Mary Bateman.
Sources:
"Mary Bateman: The Yorkshire Witch." Exemplore, exemplore.com, exemplore.com/wicca-witchcraft/Mary-Bateman-The-Yorkshire-Witch.
"The Yorkshire Witch Is Executed for Fatally Poisoning Client." Horror History, 20 Mar. 2020, horrorhistory.net/2020/03/20/the-yorkshire-witch-is-executed-for-fatally-poisoning-client/.
"The Yorkshire Witch: Mary Bateman." Crime Traveller, 20 Apr. 2017, www.crimetraveller.org/2017/04/the-yorkshire-witch-mary-bateman/.
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we talk about apocalypse chickens.
Speaker B:Apocalypse chickens and hex sacs.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Foreign.
Speaker B:Welcome to Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:Hey, I'm Liz.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about season three, episode nine, Malleus Maleficarum.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:You did it.
Speaker B:Took a deep breath, thought about it, read it.
Speaker B:Used phonics, motherfuckers.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Remember they were trying to tell kids not to use phonics anymore?
Speaker B:That was stupid.
Speaker A:Anyways, people are dumb.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: book that came popular in the: Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker B:That's exciting.
Speaker A:Men too.
Speaker A:I mean, Yeah, I mean, we just.
Speaker A:We just got killed more than you, but, you know, not.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to put you down, man.
Speaker A:If you're a witch and you're a man and you were killed because of Malleus Maladvikarum.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So what's up with you, Diana?
Speaker A:Miss Head Girl, I see you drinking out of your mug over there.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm drinking out of my Head Girl mug.
Speaker B:I'm just drinking some tea tonight.
Speaker B:Just keeping it chill.
Speaker B:Uh, we're gonna say, you know, cramps suck.
Speaker B:Being a woman sucks sometimes.
Speaker B:Not just because you get killed more often for being a witch, but also because sometimes your abdomen hurts a lot.
Speaker B:Yep, that's what I got.
Speaker B:So I'm just drinking some cheat night.
Speaker B:Plus, I've also consumed a lot of alcohol over the last few days, so I didn't really need any more, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Whereas I am drinking a beer because I went to the store today and it was really hungry.
Speaker A:And then I saw Saint Arnold, which is a Texas beer.
Speaker A:They came out with a French press coffee porter.
Speaker A:And I was just like, yes, please.
Speaker A:And I also, like, saw some other.
Speaker A:There was some women.
Speaker A:He was, like, walking in front of me in the grocery store.
Speaker A:And then we kept, like.
Speaker A:Both of us kept, like, having to wait for the same thing.
Speaker A:And, like, I saw the beard.
Speaker A:Her cart.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, my God, she's buying exactly all the same shit that I'm buying.
Speaker A:It was very weird.
Speaker A:And then she ended up in line behind me too.
Speaker A:And I was like,.
Speaker B:What have you been up to?
Speaker A:You know, not right now.
Speaker A:I'm watching the cat dig into tissue papers from the Christmas presents that Diana sent me.
Speaker B:She is really enjoying on purpose.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She is really, really.
Speaker A:She's already knocked the box over, has dragged the tissue paper out, and is now attempting to just really just get into it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:She's trying to make a bed.
Speaker A:I don't know if she thinks she's a bird and she's pulling other shit into it now.
Speaker A:Like, okay, all right, so if you guys hear a bunch of crinkly stuff.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so I got back from New York last Thursday and was very exhausted, and then what did I do?
Speaker A:Oh, I watched a whole bunch of.
Speaker A:I found out that Nat Geo's on Hulu, so I got to watch all their smuggler videos.
Speaker A:That was great.
Speaker A:It really didn't do much this weekend, except we went to go check out our friends that we.
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Speaker B:Unofficial sponsors of Devil's Drop Pod podcast.
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker B:Rum.
Speaker B:Yeah, they.
Speaker A:They are doing a Jolly Roger theme at the distillery, and it's fucking adorable.
Speaker A:There are skulls everywhere.
Speaker A:There are skeletons there.
Speaker A:They have a boat out in the front that has, like, skeletons, like, having a good time.
Speaker A:They've created just, like, there's, like, drunk skeletons throughout the whole thing.
Speaker A:Like, I would.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:I don't know, like, James.
Speaker A:I've got James, where James said it came from.
Speaker A:But it's like, I am here for this theme.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, I am fine.
Speaker A:Christmas and skeletons.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:Let's do it.
Speaker B:It's a pirate's Christmas.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:They also have, like, a ton of holiday themed drinks.
Speaker A:And I, of course, got my hot buttered rum, which was delicious.
Speaker A:And they also had adult hot cocoa.
Speaker A:It wasn't.
Speaker A:You know, I think it's also because I had this amazing hot cocoa when I was in New York, and it was like, I had, like, I'd forgotten how good hot.
Speaker A:What was chocolate, Right.
Speaker A:Was that.
Speaker A:It's really amazing hot chocolate.
Speaker A:And so I was like, oh, my go.
Speaker A:I forgot how good this is.
Speaker A:And then, like, then it got that and was like, this isn't as good as that other hot chocolate that I.
Speaker B:Got from the hot buttered rum.
Speaker B:But that hot butter drum.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, I love hot buttered rum, but my problem with it is that, like, about halfway through it, the butter starts creating, like, this, like, kind of film.
Speaker A:And you're just like, I don't understand how people do, like, the butter bomb in their.
Speaker A:In their coffee.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like, because I know you blend it.
Speaker B:You have to blend it.
Speaker B:That's what people do is they, like, nitro blend it or whatever.
Speaker B:It's like a You have to put it in like a nutribullet or some shit I think is the proper way.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I drank it like at a place that serves it, but I don't want to do it at my house because it sounds like a motherfucking mess.
Speaker B:That's how I feel about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that sounds like a big.
Speaker B:I don't like butter a lot and I like coffee a lot and I just don't think I need to add that much butter to my consumption because I am the person that if I'm cooking, I'm probably going to use butter and I have to taste test the butter to make sure that the butter's good.
Speaker B:Like, duh.
Speaker B:Like you take a slice off the butter because that's what you do when you're cooking with butter, in my opinion.
Speaker B:But that's okay.
Speaker B:And I'll eat a pat of butter when I'm picking butter so I don't need to add any more of my consumption.
Speaker B:Yeah, you eat.
Speaker A:You eat butter straight?
Speaker B:Fuck yeah.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:Delicious things.
Speaker A:I did not know about you reasons.
Speaker B:Why Diana doesn't need to put butter in her coffee.
Speaker A:So that was pretty much the only thing I did.
Speaker A:This weekend we're going to.
Speaker A:So the place where I went to for the haunted houses in, in Bastrop, which is about like 30 minutes outside of Austin, they've got five or six different haunted houses.
Speaker A:They're also, they're doing a Christmas theme.
Speaker B:So is it like a scary Christmas or is it like.
Speaker A:So there's, there's going to be a Krampus parade and you can sit on the Grinch's lap and, and tell him like what you wish upon your enemies.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's what you get to tell him, but that's what I'm gonna tell him.
Speaker A:And then they have like four or five different Christmas themed haunted houses.
Speaker A:And then plus the village and everything, it's all lit up and yeah, there's like a huge castle out there that I don't.
Speaker A:And this, this time I will find out what the that castle is for and who is in it, because I want to know.
Speaker A:Well, oh, oh, and, and one other thing.
Speaker A:So in, in Diana's plethora of amazing things she sent me, we went through Christmas, but she also got me this really great hologram of Helga Hufflepuff and she's now sitting in front of my computer and she is affectionately nodding at me right now.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's very approving.
Speaker A:She is.
Speaker B:Well, I, I Had an eventful weekend as well.
Speaker B:I first, you know, finished my holiday baking extravaganza.
Speaker B:My crazy person extravagance I did every year that got finished up.
Speaker B:And then I guess my big social.
Speaker B:My big social outing was.
Speaker B:We went to see it was Reagan youth who were not good.
Speaker B:For the record, that's really disappointing.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm not that surprised, but that was.
Speaker A:That was disappointing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think they had one original member, I don't know.
Speaker B:And they were doing some, like, new lead singer.
Speaker B:Has, like, some voice modulator.
Speaker B:It was fucking weird.
Speaker B:Not good.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:We had, like, an argument about whether it was them or not in front of their merch booth.
Speaker B:We realized after the fact it's not intentional.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, that's sucked.
Speaker B:But anyways, I realized afterwards.
Speaker B:No, it's not.
Speaker B:Then they must put, like, some, like, shitty sacrificial opener on.
Speaker B:And then, like, I.
Speaker B:We realized.
Speaker B:No, no, that really was them.
Speaker B:Oh, fuck.
Speaker B:So apologies to these kind people.
Speaker B:We are not complete assholes, I promise.
Speaker A:Did you buy a shirt to, like,.
Speaker B:I want to wear that shit anyways.
Speaker B:But DOA was great.
Speaker B:Dave was super nostalgic and excited about them.
Speaker B:Not my thing.
Speaker B:I guess I'm just not old enough for, you know, that old Canadian punk rock.
Speaker B:But Tsoil was so good.
Speaker A:Did he wear his glove?
Speaker B:No, no glove.
Speaker B:The look he does now is like slacks in a.
Speaker B:In the jacket.
Speaker B:Suit jacket with T shirt.
Speaker B:But, yeah, they were really fucking good.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then Suicidal Tendencies was Suicidal Tendencies.
Speaker B:I mean, like, they're what you expect them to be, but did they.
Speaker B:Did.
Speaker A:Did they get a Pepsi?
Speaker A:Did he finally get his Pepsi?
Speaker B:I did not see any Pepsi there.
Speaker B:So, man, I will say that band, for some old motherfuckers, have a shit ton of energy.
Speaker B:Like, I was impressed for them.
Speaker B:I'll also say that their audience base does not follow the rule of don't wear the band's shirt to the show because they're very happy.
Speaker B:Whoa.
Speaker B:Hats, shirts.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:And it's a very, like, Suicidal Tendencies, if you're familiar with them, whether you know them or not.
Speaker B:Their fucking logo.
Speaker B:And there's, like, the hat with the bill flipped up says Suicidal on it.
Speaker B:Like, all that.
Speaker B:Very, very, very easy to spot.
Speaker B:And it was everywhere the whole time.
Speaker B:So they were.
Speaker B:They were good.
Speaker B:I. I like Suicidal Tendencies.
Speaker B:I'm not, like, gonna buy an album.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:It was more of, like, a legacy band that I wanted to see because I'd never seen them before, and now I have, and I'm good Thanks.
Speaker B:That and then we had a fantastic tiki dinner at Swizzle Lounge.
Speaker B:You've been there in Dallas with me for our car club holiday dinner.
Speaker B:And now Swizzle, you got.
Speaker B:You got your pin right there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it was super fun and delicious.
Speaker B:Good gathering.
Speaker B:And one of the members of our car club, them, the MTX car club, made fantastic like cookies of the club logo, which was super rad.
Speaker B:And now, yeah, counting down to more holiday ish festivities in the coming week.
Speaker B:Elm street tattoo Christmas party this week.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Oh, are you gonna be fancy?
Speaker B:Yeah, we're gonna get fancy.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so we also had to explain.
Speaker A:Okay, so for our three listeners.
Speaker A:So Elm Street Christmas party is the traditional party of Dallas where all the industry people in the service industry and everybody gets together and Dr. Up really fancy.
Speaker A:But it's also just kind of also punk rock scene.
Speaker B:And, and.
Speaker B:And it's a charity event.
Speaker B:And so you bring a toy for toys for.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker B:For toy donation for kids and that in need locally.
Speaker B:And they have an open bar and casino, gaming and prizes.
Speaker B:So there.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's fun time.
Speaker A:So we enjoyed a good time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we'll be doing that and then also going to see the Reverend Horton this weekend.
Speaker A:Oh, God, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Hey, you know, it'll be fun.
Speaker B:Haven't gone a while in a lot of.
Speaker B:It's kind of an unofficial official car club car scene Christmas gathering too.
Speaker B:So that'll make it fun.
Speaker B:Yeah, so lots of fun things.
Speaker B:It's all holiday ish adjacent stuff going on now.
Speaker B:It is that time of year.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:On that note, let's talk about witches.
Speaker B:Let's talk about witches.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:This was directed by Robert Singer and written by Ben Edlund.
Speaker A:So I think one of the interesting things kind of in the background of this episode was the original concept was they wanted to do witches.
Speaker A:Like basically like a witch hunt in a town.
Speaker A:But they thought it was too close to the.
Speaker A:Where they had the demon.
Speaker A:Remember the demon hunt where everyone accused everyone and being a demon and they thought it was too similar and then it shifted to the story.
Speaker A:But I don't think.
Speaker A:I think that would have been a great episode.
Speaker A:Like, I'm kind of disappointed they didn't go that route.
Speaker A:I mean, this.
Speaker A:I still.
Speaker A:I mean, we'll get to hear your.
Speaker A:Besides the fact the beginning of this, it's really disgusting.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we start off with.
Speaker A:There is a couple who is coming back from a terrible, terrible party and they are just hanging out.
Speaker A:And I do appreciate.
Speaker A:She takes off her dress and she's wearing a slip.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're like, they're about to get it on, but he's going to grab wine and she's going to go to the bathroom.
Speaker B:But while we.
Speaker B:Because she wants to freshen up, which, like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know how long they must have been married.
Speaker B:Like, not very long, because I wouldn't be going to freshen up.
Speaker A:Well, maybe she had without.
Speaker A:Maybe that was code for I need to take a shit.
Speaker A:And so brushing her teeth.
Speaker A:I don't know, it's a nicer way of like, saying, like, sorry, honey, I gotta.
Speaker A:I gotta.
Speaker A:Can you go downstairs so I don't ruin our sexy vibe?
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker B:But while she's brushing her teeth, you hear this.
Speaker B:Like, there's this.
Speaker B:This episode does a lot of, like, this overlap of, like, what's going on somewhere else while the scene that we' watching is happening.
Speaker B:And while she's, like, brushing her teeth, there's some lady, like, chanting and has a toothbrush and starts, like, cutting her hand and bleeding on a toothbrush.
Speaker B:And it's just not good.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, this is going to be bad.
Speaker B:Something bad.
Speaker A:Unsanitary hand cutting.
Speaker A:Like, that's happening again.
Speaker B:Yeah, a lot of unsanitary hand cutting.
Speaker B:And then this is like a very.
Speaker B:Like, this is a gag.
Speaker B:Like, the whole, like, this whole first half of the episode, I'm sure you were, like, gagging and, like, twitching.
Speaker B:Because as this chick is, like, brushing her fucking teeth, her teeth start, like, falling out.
Speaker B:Like, she gets, like, one, like, loose and she has to pull it out.
Speaker A:She pulled out more than one.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why are you pulling on them?
Speaker A:Will you stop pulling on your teeth?
Speaker A:Like, I mean, maybe, like, do, like the little wiggle.
Speaker A:But why are you check.
Speaker B:But why are you pulling it out?
Speaker A:Just thinking about it.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:Anyways, so it's really upsetting.
Speaker B:So she calls for her dude.
Speaker B:Because, like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, I get calling for him, but maybe call 911 too.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker B:That's me.
Speaker A:I mean, would you call 911 if you were having a dental emergency?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because that feels like more than just a regular dental emergency.
Speaker B:It feels like they can figure out, like, why every tooth in your face is falling Out.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Or they can call someone who can, because let's just let them keep falling out.
Speaker B:What do you do then?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyway, it was a very concerning dental situation.
Speaker B:I've got very traumatic.
Speaker B:And so he tries to go, like, help her, and she's like, bleeding, but at this point, like, just dripping blood from her mouth.
Speaker B:You're like, this is so upsetting.
Speaker B:And you can tell that she's starting to have trouble talking because so many of her teeth have fallen out and.
Speaker A:She just spit them out, like,.
Speaker B:So bad.
Speaker B:But the door slams and locks her in the bathroom by herself.
Speaker B:And then by the time it magically opens right when he's going to kick it down, she's got no teeth left and she's like spitting in the sink, choking, and she's dead on the floor.
Speaker A:Yeah, but at least she had a slip on.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, she wasn't like.
Speaker A:At least she wasn't naked on the floor, which is like one of my biggest fears.
Speaker B:Is naked on the bathroom floor.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's why no shower sex, man.
Speaker A:Like, that's the last thing I want is like an EMT to come up and I'm like, I'm naked on a floor.
Speaker A:Like, that just seems like the worst.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Well, I always, like, this is like my.
Speaker B:I don't mean this in jest.
Speaker B:I know people actually, like, have terrible things happen to them.
Speaker B:But, like, my joke is.
Speaker B:My bad joke is the old lady death is falling asleep with a cigarette.
Speaker B:Old man death is falling in the shower.
Speaker B:Those are the two, like, cliche, horrible, horrible things that I hope never happened to me or anyone I know or care about.
Speaker B:Anyways, on that note, so we cut to Paul, who is the dude in this whole scene, talking to Dean, who's pretending to be from the cdc, which is actually pretty fucking clever in this situation.
Speaker B:I was impressed.
Speaker A:This one.
Speaker A:This actually works.
Speaker B:Yeah, it made sense.
Speaker B:It wasn't like, well, I know you already talked to the police and the sheriff's department, but we're the.
Speaker B:I don't fucking know, like some other agency.
Speaker B:FBI, whatever.
Speaker B:Anyway, so it's kind of clever and it also kind of helped put out that, like, well, maybe she was poisoned or something like that.
Speaker B:But either way, apparently the police in corner had no idea what happened to lady because people's teeth just don't start falling out of their face like that.
Speaker B:Like, that just doesn't happen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So while they're.
Speaker B:While Dean's trying to talk to him and he asks if Janet had any enemies, which is an interesting question.
Speaker B:And we all know, as the viewers, that she probably did, since there was some chanting and bleeding on toothbrush.
Speaker A:Yeah, someone did not like her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:So Sam finds a hex sack underneath the bag.
Speaker A:Call it a hex bag.
Speaker A:Please don't call it a hex sack.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think we just broke Diana.
Speaker A:I think she broke herself.
Speaker A:You broke yourself.
Speaker B:I wrote.
Speaker B:Well, so I had written like.
Speaker B:I had written, like, with a question mark.
Speaker B:I was like, is that like a.
Speaker A:Hoodoo sack or something?
Speaker B:Or, like, bag or whatever?
Speaker B:I don't know why I wrote that, but I did.
Speaker A:So, hex sack, hex bag, bag, bag, bag.
Speaker A:Otherwise it sounds like a nut sack.
Speaker B:So that's why I'm gonna keep saying it and upsetting you.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Last one.
Speaker A:If it just becomes a funny thing and then I'm okay.
Speaker A:I'm okay with humor.
Speaker A:But Diana loves her hex sacks.
Speaker B:So, anyways, Paul, like, is a little evasive, though.
Speaker B:Like, the dude, you can tell he's hiding something.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:He, like, pauses really long when he gets asked.
Speaker A:He's not a good liar.
Speaker B:No, he's a terrible liar.
Speaker B:Has no poker face.
Speaker B:He's like, does she have any enemies?
Speaker B:He's like, long pause.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Everybody loved her.
Speaker B:It's impossible.
Speaker A:Well, and technically, once we learn you, he's probably not wrong.
Speaker A:Like, she may not have enemies, but maybe you do, Paul.
Speaker A:Maybe you were doing something.
Speaker A:Something you shouldn't have been doing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So as the guys are leaving, they identify the hex bag and they're discussing it.
Speaker B:And I think Dean's really funny here because he's like, ew, gross bag.
Speaker B:And after Sam's talking about being like old world black magic, Dean goes on his little rant.
Speaker B:He says, I hate witches spewing their bodily fluids everywhere.
Speaker B:Downright unsanitary.
Speaker A:See, at least we are on the same page.
Speaker A:You should not be spewing your bodily fluids everywhere.
Speaker A:It's unsanitary.
Speaker A:If you're going to commit a ritual, don't use that dirty ass knife to cut your hand and throw your bodily fluid everywhere.
Speaker B:I mean, we have dishwashers today.
Speaker B:We have all kinds of things you can.
Speaker A:Yeah, we'll come back to this later, too.
Speaker A:So I just want to point out that.
Speaker A:So the grossness of the hex sac was there was bird bones and rabbit teeth in there.
Speaker A:So this will come back later.
Speaker A:But, yeah, which is also.
Speaker A:Fuck you people, man.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, granted, I have bird bones in my house because I think they're pretty, but I'm not cursing people with them.
Speaker A:I don't know where my specimen came from.
Speaker A:I think it died of natural causes.
Speaker A:And then somebody put the bird back together and sold it to me.
Speaker A:Fair Dean makes her same with my raccoon skull.
Speaker B:A lot of those are found, like those kind of artists.
Speaker B:A lot of them are like, found items.
Speaker A:But I certainly hope so, especially the ones who have like the raccoon penises, because otherwise if they're just like harvesting,.
Speaker B:Like straight up cutting off raccoon dinks.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean makes a reference also here as we move along too.
Speaker B:I'm looking for a craggy old Blair bitch in the woods.
Speaker B:And I was very amused by the way Dan is pissed about witches.
Speaker B:He does not fucking like witches.
Speaker A:He does not like witches.
Speaker A:He does not.
Speaker A:And with these, yeah, I can maybe understand.
Speaker A:But Detective Sam is in this one.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:And I love that Ruby even calls it out later and we'll get to it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But he is in full on Detective Sam.
Speaker A:We must find the motive to the murder.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, you're looking for mos now?
Speaker B:Whoa.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Bam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut to, like a neighborhood, and there's some chick tending flowers, and she's calling out to her neighbor Amanda.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But Amanda.
Speaker B:And Amanda has like, hey, you missed book club.
Speaker B:That sounds fucking lame.
Speaker B:But anyways, just kidding.
Speaker B:But she's like rushing in her house and acting a little evasive and.
Speaker B:But has like a big, like a bag of like, groceries.
Speaker B:And so she gets in the house, she opens her oven and pulls out a cooked chicken.
Speaker B:Turkey.
Speaker B:Chicken.
Speaker B:It's a very large chicken or a very small turkey.
Speaker A:I think it was a chicken.
Speaker A:And then there was a part of me that was like, fuck, I really need to throw out that turkey from Thanksgiving.
Speaker A:But I also.
Speaker A:It was in my fridge and I was waiting until trash day came because I didn't want to put it in the trash and then have like, it rotting there.
Speaker B:Like this one.
Speaker A:Like this one that you just put in there.
Speaker B:So a full on full bird, cooked, not eaten at all, rotting.
Speaker B:And it's got like the fucking garnish on it.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, when we say rot, like, I can.
Speaker B:You can imagine what this motherfucker smells like.
Speaker B:It's got flies, it's got maggots, it's got fucking mealworms.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, it's got it all.
Speaker A:Like, how did you.
Speaker A:I mean, like, I had to buy those meal worms.
Speaker A:Like, I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, they made no sense.
Speaker B:That was made up shit.
Speaker B:The flies and maggots.
Speaker A:Okay, I will say the maggots.
Speaker A:So there was a maggot wrangler on the set.
Speaker A:There is somebody whose job.
Speaker A:Because you know how you have like a dog wrangler and a cat wrangler.
Speaker A:There was somebody whose job it was to wrangle the maggots.
Speaker B:That's disgusting.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, what are you also fucking jump through hoops.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Which does make me wonder, like, is it like a flea circus?
Speaker A:And like, so, like there's little maggots and a tightrope.
Speaker A:It's like walking in like.
Speaker A:Like have a little.
Speaker A:A little maggot.
Speaker A:One man band is, you know, like.
Speaker B:The gothic version of the Fleet.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so she dishes out her worms and I think, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, because they're cutting back and forth.
Speaker A:I was trying to like, was like, why do I have.
Speaker B:So we cut.
Speaker B:Yeah, we cut back and forth.
Speaker B:This is where we start cutting back and forth now.
Speaker B:So now we see Paul sitting in his car outside of a pub.
Speaker B:Kind of weird.
Speaker B:Eating like a burger.
Speaker B:Sitting in the car.
Speaker B:And as he's sitting there starting his.
Speaker A:Burger and what is he jamming to?
Speaker B:Every rose has its thorn by poison is jamming.
Speaker A:Right then he's getting his 8, his 80s cockroach on and eating a burger.
Speaker B:By himself in the car, just crying one side.
Speaker A:It would have been great if it had been some sort of emo band as he's.
Speaker B:And we cut back to Amanda and she's taken her rotten bird.
Speaker B:She's taking her bird, rotten bird and putting it on her little altar thingy.
Speaker B:And she has a blade and she starts chanting and we're like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:This is the bitch that did the other chanting and cutting because she's still got this dirty ass knife.
Speaker B:And she chants the same, so.
Speaker B:And then it ends up she has his watch somehow.
Speaker B:Like she stole it from him.
Speaker B:And she stabbed the fucking chicken.
Speaker B:As she stabbed the chicken, the radio changes to one of my favorites.
Speaker B:It changes to screamin Jay Hawkins version of I Put a spell on you.
Speaker A:One of the best, easily one of the best songs of all time.
Speaker A:I really like.
Speaker A:I think it's like in my top 10 of probably really close in the top five.
Speaker A:Like, I cannot hear that song and not be happy screaming.
Speaker A:Jay Hawkins was.
Speaker A:I really need to do some research on him.
Speaker B:Like, genius.
Speaker A:He's got stories, man.
Speaker A:And I need.
Speaker A:I Need to know what screaming Jade stories were.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And they're probably going to research it.
Speaker A:It's going to all be real bad.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, he's probably not a good person.
Speaker A:Yeah, he probably was thinking about this.
Speaker A:Like, maybe I should just not.
Speaker A:And just don't ruin it for yourself.
Speaker B:Don't ruin it for yourself.
Speaker A:Just don't look at him.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:So he's eating his burger and this is immediately my thought goes to.
Speaker A:And all I hear in my head is, lost Boys and you're eating maggots, Michael.
Speaker A:Like, that is all that's in my head.
Speaker A:Like, as I'm just like, yep.
Speaker A:And Paul, you're eating maggots.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm also going to just let y' all know that when I was getting ready to watch the episode, Liz texted me and she's like, don't eat while you watch.
Speaker B:And she's like, then she's like, then I actually don't have any food in the room.
Speaker B:On further thought, maybe you shouldn't have eaten dinner.
Speaker B:Maybe you should wait until you're not, like, not full.
Speaker B:Like, you were like, on it.
Speaker B:Like, no, no.
Speaker B:You need to be like, nowhere near around food, thinking about food, any of these things.
Speaker B:And now I know why I thought the teeth was bad.
Speaker B:And then we got to this bird and then now we get to the burger and he takes a bite of it.
Speaker A:At least you're like, oh, but I also love that you're fat in the first.
Speaker A:You're like, oh, yeah, that was gross.
Speaker A:And then you're like, oh, no.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:This is what she meant.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what she meant.
Speaker B:We had to get there.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we get there.
Speaker B:Yeah, real gross.
Speaker B:So he spits it out and he's like choking.
Speaker B:But so, like, obviously it's not just that he's eating fucking maggots, that something magical is happening and not good for him.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden, who flies onto the scene but our.
Speaker B:Our Winchester brothers?
Speaker B:Somehow they tracked him.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Dean's trying to kind of help good old Paul yak some shit up while Sam finds the.
Speaker B:A hex bag and sets it on fire.
Speaker B:And as soon as he burns it, the choking stops.
Speaker B:And right then, as little hex bag goes up in flames, so does her chicken, which is kind of funny, I thought.
Speaker B:And she's very startled by this as her rotten carnivores.
Speaker A:I wonder what that smells like.
Speaker A:Like, so deserve.
Speaker A:So you heard?
Speaker A:Rotten carcass.
Speaker B:Is it better or worse?
Speaker B:Or worse?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:It might be better I don't know.
Speaker A:Can it be worse?
Speaker A:At least the smell would go away, right?
Speaker A:Because I think you'd probably get like a really pungent, like, burning.
Speaker A:Like the actual fire of.
Speaker A:It has to smell real gnarly.
Speaker A:But once it's done, it's probably better for the house.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:Maybe the char.
Speaker B:The char might be like a good carbon that can kind of COVID I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm trying to overthinking it now.
Speaker A:You're reaching.
Speaker A:You're reaching here.
Speaker A:And I don't know.
Speaker A:But yeah, nobody mentioned the smell when they go into her house.
Speaker A:So I'm just saying is weird.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So Paul is finally like confessing up that, yeah, okay, I guess I was putting my dick somewhere I didn't belong.
Speaker A:And she was kind of unbalanced.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, blame the crazy chick for the fact that you're fucking around on your wife.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, yeah, I mean, is it his fault for fucking around with his wife?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:But does that mean that poor Janet deserved to get killed by this crazy.
Speaker A:Not with her teeth coming out.
Speaker A:Like, that's a horrible way to.
Speaker A:I'm sure.
Speaker A:No, Janet did not.
Speaker A:Well, we also don't know what Janet did in the book club, but.
Speaker A:Because we never really get into that because she was.
Speaker B:Janet wasn't in the book club.
Speaker A:Janet was not in the book club.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I just assumed that she was innocent bystander.
Speaker B:So, yeah, she's just a woman getting cheated on with and losing her teeth over it.
Speaker B:So anyways, apparently we cut back to good old Amanda frantically flipping through her spells and her candles are going out.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden slash marks start appearing on her forearms.
Speaker B:Vertical slash marks.
Speaker B:Like her arms are being sliced open.
Speaker B:And she's like saying like, oh, no.
Speaker B:Like she knows that somebody is doing this to her.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker B:And she's bleeding the fuck out.
Speaker B:And falls face down on a glass coffee table.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I do think the.
Speaker A:The effect of the wrist splitting.
Speaker A:Splitting was really good.
Speaker B:It was also it while it was a little gratuitous, being face down on the fucking glass table was really cool.
Speaker B:I mean, not a cool, you know, dead cool.
Speaker B:It was a really cool visual because, like, her boobs look cool.
Speaker B:She's got the wrists with the slits in them and blood everywhere.
Speaker B:It just looks fucking cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I would like to say, you know, if I go, like, I would like to be.
Speaker B:I hope my cheeks to look good.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:Like, can I be displayed In a glass coffin, like, with me, like, facing down.
Speaker A:So my boobs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're all nice and round.
Speaker A:And they, like, look like they're really perky, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, okay, clearly, I'm naked, too.
Speaker A:So you're.
Speaker A:I mean, my parents will be dead by then, probably, so it'll be fine.
Speaker A:And just, like, Liz was really proud of her titch and she wanted them out.
Speaker B:You could just have a slip on because you, like, slips a lot and then you nips, at least.
Speaker B:But then it keeps the, like.
Speaker A:Well, just like a light.
Speaker A:A light slip.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So then they're kind of like.
Speaker A:You see.
Speaker A:You see the outline of the breast stitches?
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker B:And they cut back to the scene.
Speaker B:Repeated, like, this shot several times.
Speaker B:And then, like, it actually kind of took me a minute.
Speaker B:Like, at first I was like, huh?
Speaker B:And then I was like, man, that's actually fucking cool shot.
Speaker B:Like, I'm glad somebody thought to do that because somebody.
Speaker B:I mean, like, somebody put thought into that shot.
Speaker B:I liked it.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker B:That's my point.
Speaker B:It was interesting.
Speaker B:So obviously, Sam and Dean go break into her place because that's what they do.
Speaker B:And that's what you do to an unstable witch, is go break into their house when you don't know that they're already dead.
Speaker B:And they don't notice that her house smells like fucking rot.
Speaker B:So I guess the fire did burn that off a little bit.
Speaker A:They're not noticing it's any kind of smells.
Speaker A:I mean, I would have mentioned it.
Speaker A:And they do find Amanda.
Speaker A:And I want to say that in my notes, I have.
Speaker A:They find her dead.
Speaker A:And I misspelled it and spelled D E, D. But I also think it works.
Speaker A:So they find her.
Speaker A:Dee Dee dead.
Speaker A:She did.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker B:And there.
Speaker B:And, you know, they comment that it was three slices per wrist, vertical, so she meant business.
Speaker B:And they find, like, her little altar area.
Speaker B:And Sean.
Speaker B:Or Sean.
Speaker B:Sam says that it was heavyweight evil, which is.
Speaker B:He's a lot of really, like, dramatic language in this episode.
Speaker B:That's my point.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's heavyweight evil.
Speaker A:Like, really was it like, she was just being a fucking witch, but the bitch killed a bunny and so fuck her.
Speaker B:Because Dean almost walks into the rabbit carcass hanging from the ceiling, and he's not happy about it.
Speaker A:And they're like, that's where she got the rabbit teeth from.
Speaker A:But also, why did you have to kill a buddy?
Speaker B:Not very nice.
Speaker B:Not very nice.
Speaker B:Honestly.
Speaker B:She probably could have like, gone like some kind of a butcher that sells rabbit and Gotten his teeth if she really wanted to.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:She didn't sacrifice it.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker A:Or eating the bunny.
Speaker A:I mean, like, if you're gonna kill it, eat it.
Speaker A:It's probably better than the rotting turkey.
Speaker A:You had, like, you know, like.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Make a stew.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean are kind of going back and forth, though, about her death.
Speaker B:Because it's a fair argument that they're having is, like, Sam's like, if she was so bent on revenge, why did she.
Speaker B:Why was she killing herself?
Speaker B:That makes no fucking sense.
Speaker B:And he's like, eh.
Speaker B:You know, it could have just been like, this, like, lovers, you know, hat trick thing, whatever.
Speaker B:And so they both kind of have a take on it.
Speaker B:And you can kind of see both sides, I think, until Sam finds the head hex bag.
Speaker B:And it has.
Speaker A:There's a new hexac.
Speaker B:And this one has razors.
Speaker A:Convenient.
Speaker B:Which I think is weird.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna say that because the other ones didn't have, like, necessarily things that were acknowledging what precisely the activity was.
Speaker A:The first one had the teeth.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:They didn't show us.
Speaker B:It was in the second one.
Speaker B:They burned it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:No, it will.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, there could have been a maggot in there because he was kind of choking on it.
Speaker A:So maybe there was, like, a dead maggot.
Speaker A:How did she murder a maggot?
Speaker A:Anyways?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So then they're like, oh, my God, we've got some witch.
Speaker A:On which violence.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So now Sam wants to go find the coven.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we've got a coven.
Speaker B:We've got a Covid.
Speaker A:So excited about a Covid.
Speaker A:Dean also says the unfortunate line of, why are witches ganking each other?
Speaker A:And I really hate the use of the word gank.
Speaker A:And it's something that gets done a lot in this series.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:It's just a terrible word.
Speaker A:Ganking is a terrible word.
Speaker B:I think you've mentioned that before, probably,.
Speaker A:And I will say it every time it comes up.
Speaker A:Ganking is a terrible word.
Speaker A:I stick by that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I just don't have a strong feeling about it.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't necessarily like it, but it doesn't, like, upset me.
Speaker A:I don't know why it upsets me.
Speaker A:It just does.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's all right.
Speaker B:It happens.
Speaker B:So we cut to a sitting room where two ladies are waiting on one of their husbands to leave so they can have their book club meeting.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then we get you Know, stupid male crap about like, oh, you ladies aren't actually having a book club.
Speaker A:You never read a book.
Speaker B:All you do is drink and you.
Speaker A:Gossip and you talk about as men.
Speaker B:Blah.
Speaker A:That's all you do is talk about us.
Speaker A:So we're not here.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yes, that is exactly what I do.
Speaker B:That's kind of accurate.
Speaker B:I mean, I read a lot.
Speaker B:I just don't talk about books.
Speaker A:Oh, if I was in a book club, I've been in a few book clubs, but generally they're always like, work related and then nobody actually reads the book.
Speaker A:Or, you know, like, it always starts off really.
Speaker A:I have never had a book club where everyone actually read the books.
Speaker A:Like, even if it, like it was a legit one.
Speaker A:Like, it always, like, just kind of peters out.
Speaker B:I've talked about joining a book club.
Speaker B:It met at a bar.
Speaker B:So that's why I wanted to join it, because I have a problem, apparently.
Speaker B:Anyways, maybe I have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol sometimes.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:This is not this episode.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:This is not my intervention.
Speaker B:Here we go.
Speaker B:So good old Elizabeth walks in and is very upset about Amanda having killed herself.
Speaker B:And the other ones are like, oh, she was unstable and.
Speaker B:But they, you know, but we loved her so much.
Speaker B:But she probably killed this Janet chick.
Speaker B:So Elizabeth's like, nah, we need to stop book club.
Speaker B:Then people are dying.
Speaker B:This is fucked up.
Speaker B:And the blonde, who we haven't met yet, we find out later, her name's Renee.
Speaker B:And I'm just going to say that because it's easier than saying the blonde right now is talking about, like, what.
Speaker B:What the book club has gotten for all of them.
Speaker B:So we find out that Elizabeth's husband gets gotten a promotion.
Speaker B:They want a trip to fucking Hawaii.
Speaker B:Renee's pottery business is taking.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:And they convince Elizabeth stick with it because they only got an hour till her husband gets home from his fantasy football meeting.
Speaker B:And then they set up an altar and start praying to the Book of Shadows.
Speaker A:Which is weird.
Speaker A:Like, nobody prays to a Book of Shadows.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker A:Why would you pray to your book of spells?
Speaker A:Like, that's just stupid too.
Speaker B:That's why I wrote it down.
Speaker B:That was bizarre.
Speaker B:So we cut to daytime, and good old Elizabeth's gardening again.
Speaker B:And Winchester brothers walk up.
Speaker B:And this time, Sam comments straight off the bat about, oh, you must have a green thumb.
Speaker B:Those herbs are growing out of season.
Speaker A:Did you catch our names?
Speaker B:Yes, I did.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Detective Bachman and Detective Turner.
Speaker A:And that is Bachman Turner overdrive Yeah,.
Speaker B:I was impressed because also, like, it was funny.
Speaker B:So they ask about.
Speaker B:They're kind of asking about Elizabeth, about Amanda's practices and say that she had a bunch of satanic paraphernalia around her place.
Speaker B:Elizabeth just pops back with, but she was Episcopalian.
Speaker A:Yeah, but also it's full of satanic stuff.
Speaker A:And it was a regular Black Sabbath.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And when she says, but she was Episcopalian, Dean says, pretty sure she was using the wrong Bible.
Speaker B:I was amused.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's some good one liners in here.
Speaker B:Good one liners.
Speaker B:Well, then good old Renee and then the other chick show up who we haven't heard name, her name's Tammy.
Speaker B:But anyways, they show up and they just kind of interrupt and like, are basically blocking, politely blocking Dean and Sam from asking Elizabeth any more questions and kind of run her off.
Speaker B:Mrs. Renee Van Allen.
Speaker A:Did you notice how pointy her chin was?
Speaker A:Like, she had the bitch had the pointiest, like, face I've ever seen.
Speaker A:I guess it was just a characteristic I don't normally notice on people.
Speaker A:And I was like, that's damn pointy.
Speaker A:And did you do.
Speaker A:I assume at some point we'll go to IMDb.
Speaker A:These people?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The only thing that stood out for me that she has been in was recently at least was she's Tessa on the Boys,.
Speaker A:Which is now.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Which Jensen is then.
Speaker B:And then Elizabeth.
Speaker A:Oh, Tessa.
Speaker B:So Tessa is played by Kristen Booth.
Speaker B:That's Renee Van.
Speaker B:Renee Van.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to remember who the character Tessa is in the Boys.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we've got Aaron Cahill plays Elizabeth.
Speaker B:And there wasn't anything specific that stood out for me.
Speaker B:But literally, like every holiday movie ever, that.
Speaker A:And I'm like, there's so many.
Speaker A:So many Hallmark movies.
Speaker A:Like, and that's.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I was like, I think that's where I know her from.
Speaker A:Like, I just picture her, like, being like.
Speaker A:And she typically though, like, Diana had the best meme that she sent to me today.
Speaker A:And I think you should post it on the chat.
Speaker A:I won't say what it is, but post it posted on the Instagram.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:I think she's not typically the corporate one who fails.
Speaker A:She's the one that's like, try always like, from the hometown.
Speaker A:Because she's just homie, you know, like, she doesn't look sophisticated.
Speaker A:She looks like she works in store.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:She works in a Christmas store.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, I see why you got cast as that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And Then.
Speaker B:But, like, it's a lot of Christmas, like, a lot of holiday movies anyways.
Speaker B:And then as a side, good old Paul Dutton is played by Jonathan Wotton, and he's in a show that I have not watched, but it's a very popular show.
Speaker B:He plays Matthew Calhoun in the Handmaid's Tale.
Speaker A:So, I mean, one.
Speaker A:I read that.
Speaker A:I loved that book and I watched probably the first two seasons of it, and then I couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker A:I love Elizabeth Moss in it.
Speaker A:I think it's brilliant.
Speaker A:But it was just.
Speaker A:I want witches and vampires and not to watch my.
Speaker A:Watch the patriarchy ruin women's lives.
Speaker A:So the witches are all going to leave, and the witches are all glaring at the boys as they walk off.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think at this time, we are going to pause our current witches and talk about an older witch.
Speaker A:So we're going to go in a little bit of lore here.
Speaker A:All right, so we are going to talk about the Yorkshire witch.
Speaker A:Have you ever heard of the Yorkshire witch?
Speaker B:I have not.
Speaker A:Okay, so the Yorkshire witch.
Speaker A:And honestly, like, it was kind of weird.
Speaker A:Apparently, Yorkshire had a lot of witches.
Speaker A:There's a lot of things.
Speaker A:And also, like, apparently they're just really.
Speaker A:People in Yorkshire believe in witches a lot.
Speaker A:And apparently this has been going on for a while.
Speaker A:So the woman, though we're going to talk about, her name was actually Mary Bateman.
Speaker A: r to a farmer and his wife in: Speaker A:And I'm going to say these towns because I think they're funny, but I'm not saying them right.
Speaker A:So Assanby, some four miles south of Thirst.
Speaker A:Can you imagine living in town named Thirsk?
Speaker A:I'm thirsty.
Speaker A:I'm thirsty.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But that's a.
Speaker A:That's a North Yorkshire.
Speaker A:All right, so she goes into domestic service at the age of 12.
Speaker A:But, like, everybody always says, like, girl always kind of like to steal shit.
Speaker A:Like, even before she was 12, like, as a kid, they're like, yeah, she's not the best apple.
Speaker A:Like, we can already kind of tell, like, she's.
Speaker A:She's a little.
Speaker A:She's on the dark side.
Speaker A:So at 12, she becomes domestic.
Speaker A:But probably, you know, she's a maid or chamber, whatever she.
Speaker A: They did in the: Speaker A:But she kept getting fired because she kept stealing things.
Speaker A:And typically, you know, you steal a lot of stuff, people fire you.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:And so she goes back, she goes to Leeds, and I saw some Places say this was her hometown.
Speaker A:It's not, but.
Speaker A:So, But Leeds is one of the few places in Yorkshire that I actually knew about, so.
Speaker A:So there she takes on work as a seamstress and she's doing needlework, but she' not very good at it.
Speaker A:So she supplements her income with, you know, some witchcraft and some divination.
Speaker A:You know, I need some money.
Speaker A:So she told fortunes, she brewed love potions, and she removed evil wishes for servant girls and their employers.
Speaker A: after they met in February of: Speaker A:I'm not sure how long this marriage goes.
Speaker A:I didn't see when.
Speaker A:When he left, but he eventually was like, I don't want to be with you because I'm tired of moving around because everyone knows you're stealing shit.
Speaker A:So he ends up like, leaving her and joining the army.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Before he does that, she tricked him and said, hey, your father sick, you need to go visit him.
Speaker A:And she sold all his clothes and his and the furniture to pay off.
Speaker A:So the people who are pissed off that she stole from them.
Speaker A:And after that is when he was like, I'm gonna peace out.
Speaker A:And he was like, I'm gonna go join the army.
Speaker A:This seems better than being with you, which says a lot.
Speaker A: So around: Speaker A:She's like, oh, hey, I am the seventh child of the seventh child.
Speaker A:And I'm working for the.
Speaker A:This, this woman named Mrs. Moore.
Speaker A:And Mrs. Moore, she can.
Speaker A:Oh, wait, no, Mrs. Moore was the one who was the seventh child of the seventh child.
Speaker A:And she was capable of screwing down.
Speaker A:I love that term screwing down, which is, I guess, binding somebody.
Speaker A:But I like the fact that screwing down those who would, like, who are going after her customers, right?
Speaker A:So that could be like a husband or a creditor.
Speaker A:So she could sick Mrs. Moron them.
Speaker A:Then she also just, you know, starts becoming a go between for a psychic named Ms. Blythe.
Speaker A:Ms. Blythe also did not exist, but so she would basically like give predictions to people and say, this is what, you know, Ms. Blythe said for she also was a part time abortionist.
Speaker A:But beyond that, she also just in general ways that she sucked.
Speaker A:According to the Yorkshire Post, she once roamed the streets of Leeds after a major fire, begging for money and goods for the victims.
Speaker A:But then she just kept all the money.
Speaker A:That's nice.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, that is real, real shitty.
Speaker B:It is very.
Speaker A:But then, you know, she kind of sets it up.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:I like that, Kitchen.
Speaker A:And so they become friends with her.
Speaker A:She works in their shop.
Speaker A:And so she's like, oh, hey, like Ms. Blythe called me and.
Speaker A:Or you know, I guess.
Speaker A:Was it telegraming?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:She sent me a post by a pigeon.
Speaker A:And something really bad is going to happen to you guys, she told me.
Speaker A:And so she's like, you need to like, take these special powders.
Speaker A:So these special powders will keep you from what Ms. Blythe saw.
Speaker A:And then they died.
Speaker A:So Mary was like, oh no, they got the plague.
Speaker A:So the people are like, we don't want to look at them.
Speaker A:They've got the fucking plague.
Speaker A:So nobody investigates this.
Speaker A:But when they, like after they come back and the store is empty, the house is empty, and all their account books are missing.
Speaker A:So a couple of years go by and some people stop buying her spells and stuff because they probably weren't working.
Speaker A:And so she's like, hey, you know what else I found?
Speaker A:I found this chicken.
Speaker A:And so she has a chicken and she's like, oh, it's late.
Speaker A:Is laying these eggs and it's.
Speaker A:It says Christ is coming on them.
Speaker A:And like so on an egg was etched Christ C R I S T. Because chickens can't spell.
Speaker A:So Christ is coming.
Speaker A:And then she was like, don't worry town.
Speaker A:Like I got you.
Speaker A:Like you want.
Speaker A:You want to avoid this apocalypse that's happening.
Speaker A:Have some paper that I got that have these blessings on.
Speaker A:It has jc, I guess, for Jesus Christ.
Speaker A:And they'll put these will get you into heaven when the apocalypse chicks and chickens end eggs makes you whatever happen.
Speaker B:Apocalypse chicken eggs.
Speaker A:I love apocalypse chickens, man.
Speaker A:So, but apparently one night when I think it was like a police officer like basically staked her out and found out that she was riding on the eggs with vinegar that etches into eggshells, which I did not know.
Speaker A:And now I really want to do the science experiment.
Speaker A:Mr. Wizard, if you're alive, come to my house and let's do this.
Speaker A:So she would ride on the eggs and then put the eggs back up in the chicken.
Speaker B:That poor chicken.
Speaker A:I was just like, can you imagine that?
Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker A:What is happening?
Speaker A:Yeah, so I mean, the granny, like, also, like, she really wanted this too.
Speaker A:I mean, she took that pretty far.
Speaker A:Like you went as far as to put your hand up and check chickens.
Speaker A:It's called an oviduct, by the way, in case you're wondering what the thing the egg comes out of is.
Speaker A:And as I'm just making this rib scene hand gesture.
Speaker A:All right, so then we meet.
Speaker A:All right, so that happens.
Speaker A:Then we're.
Speaker A:Now we're going to meet Rebecca and William Perrigo.
Speaker A:So Rebecca had like a basic, like a nervous disorder.
Speaker A:I've seen like that she had like heart palpitations or she was also like, people said she was having a lot of nightmares.
Speaker A:And so Rebecca and William think that neighbors have hexed her.
Speaker A:And so they call Mary and they're like, mary, we need, like, we need you to do your healing magic and get it out.
Speaker A:And they're like, all right, I talked to Ms. Blythe, and Ms. Blythe doesn't exist.
Speaker A:She does not exist.
Speaker A:But Ms. Blythe tells Mary to tell them that they need to sew silk bags containing guinea notes.
Speaker A:So guinea knows was money.
Speaker A:So into the corner of Rebecca's bed and they should main there undisturbed for 18 months.
Speaker A:So she's making a hex sack.
Speaker A:But in the hex sack is.
Speaker A:It's not the opposite of a hex sack.
Speaker A:So there's.
Speaker A:There's money in it.
Speaker B:It's a positive hex sack.
Speaker B:Yep, it's a good sack.
Speaker A:It's a good sack.
Speaker A:It's a sack of love, of money.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So they do that and then they keep going on.
Speaker A:And this live is like, no, no more things.
Speaker A:And for you to do that for supernatural reasons, I need to give you to give me some of your.
Speaker A:You to give me some silver.
Speaker A:Also Ms. Blythe needs a new bed.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But I need all this to help you guys out.
Speaker A:And then with each demand, the couple just did it.
Speaker A:And then Ms.
Speaker A:Wise also was like, hey, you know evil spirits can read these letters that I'm sending to you, so you need to burn them.
Speaker A:So they burn them.
Speaker A:Then Ms. Blythe sends them a note that says, my dear friends, I am sorry to tell you you will take an illness in the month of May next either to one or both.
Speaker A:But I think.
Speaker A:But the works of God must have its course.
Speaker A:But I have a cure and it's pudding, so have some pudding.
Speaker A:And she is magic pudding, Magic pudding.
Speaker A:But don't share it with anybody.
Speaker A:Like, this pudding is just for you.
Speaker A:Like, nobody else ate this pudding, but.
Speaker A:But just you could.
Speaker A:And then shockingly, they both got really sick.
Speaker A:And William said later, spoiler alert, he lives.
Speaker A:But he was like a violent heat came out of my mouth, which was very sore.
Speaker A:His lips were black and that he had A most violent pain in his head.
Speaker A:20 Times worse than a common headache.
Speaker A:And that everything appeared green to him.
Speaker A:And he suffered from a violent complaint in his bowels.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, violent.
Speaker A:Violent complaint of the bowels.
Speaker A:So if he had a slip on, you know.
Speaker A:So Rebecca got.
Speaker A:Also got really sick.
Speaker A:And Mary was like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:Well, you know what this wife told me?
Speaker A:I've got an antidote.
Speaker A:It's arsenic.
Speaker A:It'll really help you out.
Speaker A:So then Rebecca died.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But what's even worse is for two years after this goes on, William kept paying Mary.
Speaker B:Good Lord.
Speaker A:He kept giving her money.
Speaker A:He even gave her Rebecca's clothes.
Speaker A:And he was like, yeah.
Speaker A:And then finally he was like, hey, why isn't this.
Speaker A:This isn't working, you know.
Speaker A:You know, I'm gonna go look at those sex sacks.
Speaker A:So he goes and he pulls the socks out, and he unpicks the stitches and finds out that there was only trash, metal, and some small change and not all the money that was originally put in there.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Shocking.
Speaker A:And he was like, mary, what's up with my hex bags or my sacks or whatever they are?
Speaker A:And she is like, you opened the bags too early, man.
Speaker A:That's why they did that.
Speaker A:But finally he was like, like, maybe I should go to the police.
Speaker A:So he goes and finds a constable.
Speaker A:And so the constable comes, and then Mary's like, oh, no.
Speaker A:He's been holding me prisoner.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And that he poisoned me.
Speaker A:So she tells the police that William poisoned her, but at this time, they're like, no, no, we're gonna.
Speaker A:We're gonna take you to jail.
Speaker A:So she gets arrested.
Speaker A:They search her house, and they find, like, all the peregrine stuff.
Speaker A:Stuff there.
Speaker A: for the murder of Rebecca in: Speaker A:And she basically pulled the shaggy defense.
Speaker A:And she's like, it wasn't me in a written state.
Speaker B:Shaggy defense.
Speaker A:The shaggy defense, man.
Speaker A:It's as I always say, everyone.
Speaker A:You should always have the shaggy defense.
Speaker A:So in a written statement, she said, it is utterly false that I ever did send for any poison by any person.
Speaker A:And so Mary looked very plausible when she was talking.
Speaker A:And it was like, oh, no, she.
Speaker A:Someone said that she was too sedate and respectable despite having a tongue in her head that would wheedle the devil.
Speaker A:I like wheedle.
Speaker A:We don't use that word that often enough anymore.
Speaker A:But then.
Speaker A:So, like, everyone believes her.
Speaker A:But they're like.
Speaker A:Witnesses are, like, starting to come forward, and they're like, yeah, yeah, store to me.
Speaker A:Store to Me?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker A:And then someone's like, hey.
Speaker A:She knew this family called the Kitchens who died.
Speaker A:So finally they kind of.
Speaker A:They put those two together.
Speaker A:And then they also figured out that there was no Miss Blythe, there was no Mrs. Moore, and that Ms. Blythe's handwriting exactly matched Mary's.
Speaker A:Shocking.
Speaker A:So a doctor examined the remains of the.
Speaker A:Of the pudding, and it was like honey and pudding and.
Speaker A:And mercury, and it also contained rum, oatmeal and arsenic.
Speaker A:So, jury goes out and they're like, yeah, she's guilty.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And the judge was like, there's not a particle of doubt.
Speaker A:And so he's like, for crime like yours, in this world, the gates of mercy are closed.
Speaker A:And then Mary is like, but I'm pregnant.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And so if that was true, she wouldn't get the death penalty right there.
Speaker A:But then they were like, we're going to have a doctor look at you.
Speaker A:And she's like, bitches, I'm pregnant.
Speaker A:So Mary's not pregnant.
Speaker A:She goes back, and so she's, like, waiting for her death.
Speaker A:And while she's in her cell, she's selling spells to her to the other female prisoners.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A: th of March,: Speaker A:Think, like, I've heard, like, 5,000 people were there.
Speaker A:There were thousands of people that came to watch her hang.
Speaker A:This, I think, is really interesting.
Speaker A:So her.
Speaker A:Her body was flayed and dissected and apparently this was something that they used to do to, like, try and, like, as a.
Speaker A:To make people not want to commit murder, because they're like, if you murder you, we're going to skin you.
Speaker A:But thousands of people also went to the.
Speaker A:So, like, her skin being taken off was a public display.
Speaker A:And those who attended, if they wanted, could buy a dry and preserved patch of her skin to take home with them, you know, as their souvenir.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So her skin was also used to bind several books, one of which was, I think, owned by.
Speaker A:They thought was owned by George iv.
Speaker A:And her skeleton was articulated and made, you know, like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, made into, like, a science.
Speaker A:Science skeleton.
Speaker A:And it was on display for over two centuries at the Leeds Medical Medical School and later at the Thackeray Medical Museum.
Speaker A:I also read that her tongue was removed and pickled.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And I saw another one that said her body was used to make, like, a folding cup, that her skin was used to make a cup.
Speaker A:And I couldn't see any verifications that anyone ever made a cup out of skin, much less that they did.
Speaker A:The books I know about, like, there's.
Speaker A:There's plenty of human skin books, but.
Speaker B:Who wants to drink out of that?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what a word.
Speaker A:England Gazetteer.
Speaker A:I don't know if this is name or whatever, but someone's tried to track down the pickle tongue and contacted the bowling hall museum.
Speaker A: And they had it up until the: Speaker A:That was where they drew the line.
Speaker A:Was that that woman's pickle tongue?
Speaker B:I mean, it is pretty gross.
Speaker A:But then they burned it, which also goes in.
Speaker A:What does a pickle tongue smell like when it's burning?
Speaker A:You can make some lingua tacos out of it.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:So that's the story of the Yorkshire.
Speaker B:Witch Bish Cray death.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:But got away for the lottish.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's wild.
Speaker B:Wild.
Speaker A:I tell you, that's crazy.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna talk.
Speaker A:So now the guys are talking about Elizabeth's garden.
Speaker A:And her garden has belladonna, wolfsbane, and mandrake.
Speaker A:Mandrake.
Speaker B:And I was like, you know, I want to.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:And yeah, Sam's looking through like a bunch of like, no, no.
Speaker B:Or notes that he's found because he's being detective Sam in this episode big time.
Speaker B:And Elizabeth, apparently, he's like, yeah, she's had a pretty good run.
Speaker B:She's like, increased her tax bracket.
Speaker B:She's won like every raffle the town has had.
Speaker B:And then good old Renee's won every fucking craft show that she's entered.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And apparently the set, like, they like, made up like all these newspaper stories and they were just like.
Speaker A:Even though her.
Speaker A:Her quilts was like the least.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The worst one, it's still what.
Speaker A:So apparently there's like, hopefully like, those exist somewhere.
Speaker A:But they had all these funny.
Speaker A:They made all these fake newspaper article I thought was great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they were there like, well, maybe Amanda.
Speaker B:Since Amanda went off the rails and killed Janet, they killed her to keep from getting exposed.
Speaker B:So Dean's just kind of part.
Speaker B:They're all pontificating.
Speaker B:He's kind of getting like, well, maybe they did us a favor then if they got crazy ass Amanda out of the picture.
Speaker B:And But Sam's like, no, it's his black.
Speaker B:Black magic, evil magic, and it's got to be stopped.
Speaker B:And this kind of like, like is a big turning point in the argument between the brothers.
Speaker B:And they talk about like, they they acknowledge it as well.
Speaker B:Obviously it's not just for the viewer.
Speaker B:But you know, we've all.
Speaker B:All along we've been watching how long?
Speaker B:All three seasons, whatever, two and a half seasons.
Speaker B:We've been watching how Dean's kind of a shoot first, ask questions later.
Speaker B:If they're evil, kill them.
Speaker B:Done.
Speaker B:No gray areas.
Speaker B:And he'd kind of started to see a little bit of a gray area in a couple of instances.
Speaker B:And then Sam's always been the human life matters.
Speaker B:We need to be acknowledging that and we need to be considerate.
Speaker B:And it's not.
Speaker B:Not all black and white.
Speaker B:There's gray areas.
Speaker B:So we can't just go in and kill them all.
Speaker B:But right now he's like, not kill these bitches.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:Because they're doing evil shit.
Speaker B:We don't have another solution.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, in the past couple of episodes we've seen Sam starting to shift this way.
Speaker B:And that was what kind of started scaring Dean that Sam had been changing and made him ask Bobby about it.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean is not wrong that they're human.
Speaker A:And then like when sa.
Speaker A:Sam's like, no.
Speaker A:Then he's like, burn, witch, burn.
Speaker A:And I was like, Dean.
Speaker B:But Sam points out that they are murderers.
Speaker A:They're murderers.
Speaker A:But you still.
Speaker A:There's still people.
Speaker A:I. I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyways.
Speaker B:And then Baby breaks down in the middle street because Ruby's there and she says they need to get the.
Speaker B:Out of town.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Whatever they're after is bigger than them.
Speaker B:They're like, it's just witches.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, not that.
Speaker B:Who they serve.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:What does she say about witches?
Speaker A:She says witches are whores.
Speaker B:She does.
Speaker B:She says, which is ours.
Speaker B:She said need to get out of town.
Speaker B:Dean's pointing the cult at her.
Speaker B:He's like, fuck that.
Speaker B:I'm gonna kill Ruby.
Speaker B:We can take care of witches.
Speaker B:Witches are whores.
Speaker B:I'm not talking about them.
Speaker B:I'm talking about who they serve.
Speaker B:And basically.
Speaker B:So basically she's told them there is another demon in this town right now other than Ruby.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, nope, not doing it.
Speaker B:And keeps telling.
Speaker B:Tells her shut up.
Speaker B:Calls her a boy black eyed skank.
Speaker B:He just has no use for anything Ruby has to say.
Speaker B:And anyway, so she.
Speaker B:And she calls Dean out though pretty hard on his decision to.
Speaker B:Or his trade to let himself die and go to hell.
Speaker B:And basically that is him checking out on Sam and Sam goes to shooters.
Speaker B:Or, sorry, Dean goes to shooter.
Speaker B:Sam stops him, and then she's gone.
Speaker B:She gone.
Speaker A:She gone.
Speaker A:So if that bullet fell down from the sky and hit her, would she die?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Thanks, Liz.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:About.
Speaker A:All right, so then we're gonna go to their very cool motel room.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:I didn't like it.
Speaker A:You didn't like it?
Speaker A:I think I really like this particular room when they do this one because of the lattice work as well.
Speaker A:Lettuce, this.
Speaker A:The iron scroll work that separates the beds and the bathrooms.
Speaker A:Like, I really like that.
Speaker A:And I also, when we get to it eventually where they have a sign and we can see that it's the Conquistador.
Speaker A:I really like that too.
Speaker A:But so, yeah, they're there and they're just arguing about Ruby.
Speaker B:Yeah, Big time.
Speaker B:Dean has just no use.
Speaker B:Doesn't trust her at all.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, look, I, I, you know, she could be useful.
Speaker B:I'm not sure I fully trust her, but it could be useful.
Speaker B:Useful.
Speaker B:And she fixed him.
Speaker B:Dean's like, I just want to kill her.
Speaker B:And Sam's comment was, with the gun that she fixed for us.
Speaker B:Like, valid point, Sam, but.
Speaker B:And Sam's really trying to look at the big picture, though.
Speaker B:He sees that, you know, after the gate was open, there's now a war getting ready to happen.
Speaker B:They need to be prepared.
Speaker B:They need to look at the big picture and think about strategy.
Speaker B:Not just, fuck you, you're dead.
Speaker B:If somebody's trying to be on their side, maybe they should try to find out, like, why or take their assistance.
Speaker B:Dean's like, nope, I don't like it.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:And I have gas.
Speaker A:He's starting to get really gassy.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's grabbing his abdomen a lot.
Speaker B:And then we get like a little.
Speaker B:A little bit of a back and forth where Dean starts questioning Sam about wanting to.
Speaker B:Well, you're taking advice from demons.
Speaker B:You want to kill people now?
Speaker B:It used to upset you so much.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, what?
Speaker B:You're mad because I'm starting to agree with you.
Speaker B:Because Dean's just like, no, I'm just worried you're not acting like yourself.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, I'm not acting like myself.
Speaker B:I have to stay behind, so I need to be more like you, Dean.
Speaker B:And it was kind of a sad, sweet, yeah, moment.
Speaker A:But I also think it's kind of a cop out on Sam's part because I don't think that.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't think he's acting Like Dean.
Speaker B:He's not acting like Dean.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He is getting a little bit more aggressive.
Speaker B:Aggressive probably, than he's been.
Speaker B:Would that be a good word for it?
Speaker A:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Aggressive and.
Speaker B:Or decisive maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But he doesn't need to be more like Dean.
Speaker B:That they're balance each other.
Speaker B:That's part of, like, the.
Speaker B:They balance each other.
Speaker B:That's important.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I think also, you know, Dean's not.
Speaker A:You know, we've seen.
Speaker A:Dean's not that black and white, and.
Speaker B:He's softened a little bit, too.
Speaker A:And Dean is also just.
Speaker A:I mean, part of what Sam is doing, you know, because Dean's about protecting the family.
Speaker A:And while some of this is Sam being like, I need to protect, you know, save Dean and figure things out, other.
Speaker A:Other.
Speaker A:It just seems like an excuse for violence to me, you know, Just.
Speaker A:I just want.
Speaker A:I'm just angry, and I want to, like, hurt things, which isn't really Dean's mo.
Speaker A:Dean's MO Is that I want to protect things.
Speaker A:But, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, so that happens.
Speaker A:And Dean's gas is just getting awful.
Speaker B:Getting real serious.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, ah, shit, you're getting hexed.
Speaker B:Where's the fucking hex bag?
Speaker B:He can't find it, so what's he gonna have to do?
Speaker B:And he gets real dramatic, like slicing open the mattress.
Speaker B:That would be not an easy place to hide.
Speaker B:There would already be a hole in it.
Speaker B:That makes no sense.
Speaker A:What did she do?
Speaker A:Like, cut it and then sew it back up?
Speaker A:And then, like, ship.
Speaker A:No, like, ship it to China and have, like, the top of it put back on.
Speaker B:I need to order a custom mattress with this sack inside of it.
Speaker A:Like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:I mean, like, come on now.
Speaker B:That was dumb.
Speaker B:Dumb.
Speaker B:Real dumb.
Speaker B:So Sam grabs the Colt and runs out.
Speaker B:And we cut to the coven chanting.
Speaker B:So we've got Renee, Tammy, and Elizabeth chanting.
Speaker B:So Sam breaks in the door.
Speaker B:They, of course, deny any involvement in anything going on.
Speaker B:He's like, oh, you're killing my brother.
Speaker B:Stop now.
Speaker B:And they're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker B:They look very, very surprised and concerned.
Speaker B:At that moment, we cut back to the motel where Ruby busts into the motel where Dean's on the floor.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, oh, you want to kill me?
Speaker B:Get in line, bitch.
Speaker B:He calls her bitch.
Speaker A:And she points that out.
Speaker B:She calls him out.
Speaker B:She does.
Speaker B:And she throws him on the bed and has like, a.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:Is it a cask?
Speaker B:If it's a Like leather.
Speaker A:The leather.
Speaker B:It's like a.
Speaker A:It's a flagon.
Speaker A:It's not a canteen.
Speaker A:Flagon.
Speaker A:Flag.
Speaker A:It's a flagon.
Speaker A:I think it's a flagon.
Speaker A:I think you're right.
Speaker A:I think it's a flagon.
Speaker B:We will have some nasty looking liquid that she's squirting in his mouth.
Speaker A:I just called it goo.
Speaker A:I was like, she just squirts some goo.
Speaker B:It was pretty liquidy, so I think it was like a little bit more like watery.
Speaker B:But it was like a grayish green color.
Speaker B:It was not.
Speaker B:It did not.
Speaker A:This episode is so disgusting.
Speaker B:And that's when she tells me him to stop.
Speaker B:He's kind of recovering.
Speaker B:And she says, stop calling me bitch.
Speaker B:So we cut back and we see Sam with the coven.
Speaker B:And he's like, stop the spell or die.
Speaker B:You've got five seconds.
Speaker B:And he starts counting down.
Speaker B:Elizabeth's like, no, no, no.
Speaker B:We weren't doing anything crazy.
Speaker B:We were just getting Renee a lower mortgage rate.
Speaker A:And I'm like, you know what if I can negotiate a lower mortgage rate through the dark arts?
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker A:A lot better than rocket mortgage.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, this seems like a better.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, the housing market's really hard right now.
Speaker B:Coven mortgage negotiations.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we get Ruby, throws a gun to Dean.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, you saved my life.
Speaker B:And ask what that was.
Speaker B:And asked for the liquid was.
Speaker B:It tasted like ass juice.
Speaker A:Ass juice.
Speaker A:She went to double down.
Speaker B:It was ast juice.
Speaker B:And she said.
Speaker B:She said it's called witchcraft.
Speaker B:Short bus.
Speaker B:And she leaves.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Dingus, you're the short bus.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we get.
Speaker B:Sam's still holding these glitches at gunpoint.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:He's calling out how they've all had this great fortune, how Elizabeth's got the new fucking.
Speaker B:You know, her husband got a new job.
Speaker B:She's won all these fucking prizes.
Speaker B:Renee's fucking selling pottery like crazy, apparently,.
Speaker A:And getting a lower mortgage rate and.
Speaker B:Getting a better mortgage rate, but not.
Speaker B:Nothing's happening to Tammy.
Speaker B:And so he points this out.
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker A:He's like, you're not even.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're not even changing your name from Tammy.
Speaker A:Like, that's the first thing I would do.
Speaker A:Like, nope, no longer my name is.
Speaker B:So he calls her out.
Speaker B:Maybe she's getting what she already wants.
Speaker B:These women's souls.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And he was right.
Speaker B:Because her eyes turned black.
Speaker B:Tammy was a punk.
Speaker A:She fake cries for like a minute.
Speaker B:It Was great.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Fuck it.
Speaker A:And then she also points out that Detective Sam has been there because she's like, nice dick work, Magnum.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Elizabeth and Renee are.
Speaker B:Are like, freak the fuck out.
Speaker B:What did these bitches think they were doing?
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker A:I mean, like, that's getting lower mortgage rates.
Speaker A:I mean, but I mean, if you think about like, if she really was like, I'm going to cast.
Speaker A:So what.
Speaker A:What did Elizabeth get?
Speaker B:Her husband got a badass promotion and she got a trip to Hawaii and a bunch.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, she got a trip to Hawaii.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker A:Like, the spell work is for a trip to Hawaii?
Speaker A:Like, you're not like.
Speaker A:Like that's.
Speaker A:We're not pulling up bunny tea for the trip to Hawaii.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Maybe we've got like some lays on the table and you know, like some hula girl dancing.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think like that spell is going to be that intense.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:But also, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker A:Like, I meant to bring it up earlier.
Speaker A:Like, the first spell like that Ann was doing is like.
Speaker A:I saw the transcript.
Speaker B:Amanda.
Speaker A:Amanda.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was sounding Gaelic.
Speaker A:Like it was a Latin.
Speaker A:It was Gaelic.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It was weird.
Speaker A:But anyways, okay.
Speaker B:So Tammy's just taunting Sam at this point.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:He shoots her and she stops the bullet in midair because she's a real strong demon.
Speaker B:This is what Ruby was warning them about.
Speaker B:This is not good.
Speaker B:Not good for our fair brothers.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And she throws him across.
Speaker B:She throws him across the room.
Speaker A:I said.
Speaker A:I said it was Dean.
Speaker A:Ms. Sam.
Speaker A:So I was like.
Speaker A:Gets assaulted by.
Speaker A:By Diana's favorite demon throwing move.
Speaker B:That's such like.
Speaker B:It's awesome.
Speaker B:And it's fucking bullshit.
Speaker B:Like, how do you win a fight against somebody who can just look at you wrong and throw you across the room into the wall?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Unfair.
Speaker B:You have to have no special combo to do that move on the XY back.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And Elizabeth and Renee just still haven't figured what the fuck's going on.
Speaker B:They're looking at Tammy going, what's wrong with your eyes?
Speaker B:What are you doing?
Speaker B:It's just really weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Tammy tells Renee to shut her painted hole.
Speaker A:She does.
Speaker A:And then she breaks her neck.
Speaker A:And then she does something even worse.
Speaker A:She calls Elizabeth Lizzie.
Speaker A:Fuck you.
Speaker A:Any woman named Elizabeth.
Speaker A:Elizabeth probably knows this as well as I do.
Speaker A:Don't fucking call me Lizzie.
Speaker A:I had a boss once and oh my God, she was so.
Speaker A:I will say she was a New York Times bestselling author, but she loved to be condescending to me.
Speaker A:And when she was feeling really condescending, Lizzie.
Speaker A:Oh, boom, boom, boom.
Speaker A:So fuck Tammy, you evil demon.
Speaker A:Stop calling her Lizzie.
Speaker A:And, yeah, don't kill Renee and her pain hole.
Speaker B:Okay, well, and then Elizabeth says, you're not Tammy.
Speaker B:And Tammy goes, no, but I'm wearing her skin or I'm not wearing her meat.
Speaker B:That's what she said.
Speaker B:No, I'm wearing her meat.
Speaker B:Like, oh, so yay.
Speaker A:Meat suit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, so yeah, Tammy's like, yeah, yeah, I killed.
Speaker B:I killed Amanda.
Speaker B:I killed Renee.
Speaker B:And remember all those tells, Elizabeth.
Speaker B:Remember all those dark demonic forces you prayed to and swore servitude to to get all this that you wanted?
Speaker B:That's fucking me, bitch.
Speaker B:Basically what she's telling her.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam.
Speaker B:And she's explaining to Sam that, look, I'm on the demon side that wants to kill you because we don't believe in you.
Speaker B:We believe in another leader rising, and it's just too much to have two of you competing, so we just want to kill.
Speaker B:Kill your ass.
Speaker A:Which I think is really interesting.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I think this is.
Speaker A:And you being the newbie, right?
Speaker A:This is the first time this has really come up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, they talked about.
Speaker B:It was alluded to before when.
Speaker B:When, you know, Ruby was talking about, like, who they believed in, and she kind of gave that whole background.
Speaker B:So we've got a little bit of idea of like, hey, I know there's some of the demons that.
Speaker B:Most of the demons are like, nah, Yellow Eyes is dead.
Speaker B:So we don't really give a fuck about what his plan was for everything.
Speaker B:We gonna go do our own thing.
Speaker B:Thing.
Speaker B:But a lot of them, a lot of the demons just don't have a leader.
Speaker B:But some are like, nope, we want this other.
Speaker B:We want to find a different leader.
Speaker B:We don't want Sam to be the leader.
Speaker B:And then you've got some.
Speaker B:They're like, what they.
Speaker B:She kind of alluded to being like the believers, which is why it's interesting that in this, the Tammy's one is like, no, I don't believe in you, but the believers, like Ruby and all that want Sam to be the leader of the demons.
Speaker B:Is that kind of a summary of it?
Speaker A:I love your interpretation of it.
Speaker A:It's great, which is why it's so great that you've never seen the series.
Speaker A:So that's what it's.
Speaker B:That's what of pieced together, at least from what they've told us.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I think you know, but from story wise now we know like there is at least like a specific thing that is likely coming.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Like, so we've been more.
Speaker B:This is the first time they've been more specific.
Speaker B:Like hey though, there's an alternative leader to Sam and we want in this.
Speaker B:Tammy wants him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So now I think that gives us kind of like so thinking about the seasons and now we've got.
Speaker A:Got Dean's countdown to hell.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that's going on.
Speaker A:And then Sam like as he said earlier, like I think really pointing out like this is war.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so now we're actually seeing who this war may be against.
Speaker A:So I think that it'll be interesting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Sam's gonna get pushed up against the wall.
Speaker B:And then Dean shows up and he gets slammed against the wall too because he's recovered now because Ruby's saying saved his ass.
Speaker B:And he kind of like.
Speaker B:But when he busts into the house, it's almost a little slapstick.
Speaker B:He like fumbles in through the door and like trips over the sofa and like like somersaults over the sofa and then she slams him against the wall.
Speaker B:It was like, I was like, that was a really random like comedic entry at this moment in time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:Both boys are slammed like pinned to the wall and who comes in but fucking Ruby.
Speaker B:So Ruby's there.
Speaker A:Now I have a question.
Speaker A:Like, is Ruby wearing an affliction shirt?
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:I was looking at it during the scene because like she comes in and the shirt's very prominent and she also.
Speaker B:Has like a very western cross and a design on it and all that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And I was like, I think that's a affliction shirt.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker A:I mean time wise.
Speaker A:Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker A:But no, it's so bad.
Speaker A:So bad.
Speaker A:Ruby.
Speaker B:Well, Ruby is saying that basically like asking Tammy to take her back.
Speaker B:I brought the brothers here as a gift for you.
Speaker B:And gets real close and like sucking up.
Speaker B:So we're like, you're kind of like, oh shit.
Speaker B:She's like in my head, I'm like, she's faking out to take their side still.
Speaker B:Because I don't think she's going to turn on the brothers yet.
Speaker B:And she was faking out to try to take Tammy out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so Dean is like mouthing I told you so to Sam while this is happening.
Speaker A:And he's also looking at them in that gross way that guys look at two girls that are about to make out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the the attempt of Ruby to stab Tammy fails.
Speaker B:Tammy stops it and calls Ruby a lying whore.
Speaker B:And they have a big fight scene where Tammy is really winning, like about.
Speaker B:And she hits fucking Ruby in the face with a fire like the first fireplace poker.
Speaker B:Oh my God, that looks painful.
Speaker A:So the actress who.
Speaker A:Yeah, so the actress who played Tammy and sorry, I spaced her name up, you have it there.
Speaker A:But she said that she had just been like studying like kickboxing or something, what martial arts she had been doing.
Speaker A:And that the actress who played Ruby had also been training.
Speaker A:So that's why this fight looks so good.
Speaker A:Because, like it was.
Speaker A:This wasn't a lot of stunt doubles.
Speaker A:Like, this was them.
Speaker A:And if you look at it like they have face to face fighting.
Speaker A:And it was just, I thought it was, was a kick ass fight scene.
Speaker B:It was a really good, really good fight scene.
Speaker B:And you don't always like, especially like into like chicks when two chicks fight.
Speaker A:Like, it's not always this good.
Speaker A:And this was a great fight.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:So while.
Speaker B:So, so Tammy manages to like pin Ruby down and she's like, oh, are you gonna fucking tell them that you were a witch when you were human?
Speaker B:So now we got two interesting tidbits here now.
Speaker B:That one, one, Ruby used to be a witch, and two, that Ruby is a demon and that she used to be human.
Speaker B:And so they're saying this is several centuries ago that she had sold herself to whatever demon Tammy is basically.
Speaker B:And if you're noticing in the background though, at this point, Elizabeth has kind of like snuck off a little bit.
Speaker B:So I mean, good for her.
Speaker B:Get out of there.
Speaker B:Don't, don't get killed with all this going on.
Speaker B:Yet.
Speaker A:She's gone to the altar probably because she is like, you, you call me Lizzie, I'm not gonn your ass down.
Speaker A:And so Tammy starts exercising Ruby and which I am kind of demons exercising other demons.
Speaker A:Discuss.
Speaker B:Well, I think the idea was that if that would force Ruby's demon to go find another host body and the, that meat suit that she was used to would probably die.
Speaker A:But logistically, can a demon say an exorcism and not exercise themselves?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Does it, is it directional?
Speaker B:But it didn't sound like to me, I don't know, I wasn't, I was listening to it.
Speaker B:I'm like, is it the same exorcism they use or is it some.
Speaker A:Like, it could be, it could be a different demon exercise.
Speaker A:Okay, that is a very good point.
Speaker A:And I will go, I will buy that.
Speaker A:And Go with it.
Speaker B:Because that was my thought, too.
Speaker B:I was like, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But she's all.
Speaker A:And she also.
Speaker B:You can tell Ruby's, like, kind of fighting it.
Speaker B:But while this is all going on, all of a sudden, Tammy starts coughing and coughs up some large pins.
Speaker B:Like, they're not hat pins.
Speaker B:They're like.
Speaker A:No, they're hat pins.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:For them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's, like, coughing up these giant fucking hat pins.
Speaker A:Or quilting.
Speaker A:Quilting pens is also used that way.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And blood.
Speaker B:And so what do we know?
Speaker B:It's been happening is good.
Speaker B:Elizabeth snuck off to the fucking altar and started hexing Tammy's ass, which is super fucking clever, by the way.
Speaker B:Good for her.
Speaker B:And then Tammy realizes it.
Speaker B:And so while she's coughing up pins and needles and bleeding out of the mouth and can't talk, she, like, holds her hand in the air and squeezes Elizabeth heart in the air and kills her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know how I feel about her dying either.
Speaker A:Like, I kind of wish she'd lived because I. I kind of think you.
Speaker B:Needed one of them to.
Speaker B:To live.
Speaker B:And was going to.
Speaker B:It was gonna be the one that had a conscience, which would be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or more of one, at least would be Elizabeth.
Speaker B:I thought it was a little extreme that she died, too.
Speaker B:Not saying, like, how dare they kill everybody?
Speaker B:I just think it would have been better.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just a story.
Speaker A:It was an interesting choice.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So during all this distraction we've got, Elizabeth dies, Tammy's bleeding out of the mouth.
Speaker B:Fucking Ruby's demon doesn't have to come out of her mouth like a black smoke cock.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And then Dean's able to stab the fuck out of Tammy repeatedly.
Speaker B:Repeatedly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's overkill.
Speaker A:It is so much overkill.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:Dean has fucking Ruby's knife, and he stabs, grabs Tammy and again and again.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:And it's like, at the sound.
Speaker B:And it's like he's, like, just like.
Speaker B:Like, shanking her.
Speaker A:And the thing is a diva knife, too, so it's also like blood, like lightning.
Speaker B:And like, it was.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But in there, he doesn't like witches, man.
Speaker B:And he really hates demons.
Speaker B:We know this.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Ruby just tells them, yeah, y' all get out of here.
Speaker B:I'll clean up the mess.
Speaker B:That's about it.
Speaker A:And she flashes her black eyes at them.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And now we're Gonna go back to the Conquistador.
Speaker A:And this is where you actually get to see the sign for the Conquistador.
Speaker A:And it's amazing.
Speaker A:It's such a good sign.
Speaker A:And I want.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:It is a good sign.
Speaker B:It's super cute.
Speaker B:It's cute.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:It wasn't like a room that was like.
Speaker B:I was like, whoa.
Speaker B:I was just like, me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And also, like, because he's outside, you can see the door signs, like, outside the number.
Speaker A:There was this really cool little squirrel.
Speaker B:Work around the frame, around each one.
Speaker B:It was cute.
Speaker B:So Dean's outside.
Speaker B:Sam's in the.
Speaker B:In their motel room.
Speaker B:And the lights start flickering outside.
Speaker B:And Ruby's there.
Speaker B:So Dean starts.
Speaker B:Ask.
Speaker B:Dean has pieced together what she said about being human.
Speaker B:So he's like, straight up.
Speaker B:Up, like, how long ago?
Speaker B:And she's like, before the plague, right before.
Speaker B:Around the play.
Speaker B:Which one?
Speaker B:She said, but.
Speaker B:And he's like, were all demons were human once?
Speaker B:And she's like, all the ones I've met.
Speaker B:And this is like a game changer, I think, mentally, for Dean in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:And it is for the storyline, for the lore of the.
Speaker B:Of the series and all of that.
Speaker B:And it is.
Speaker B:You know, I think it's a little bit of a departure from a lot of lore in general because there's usually, like.
Speaker B:There's, like.
Speaker B:From things that my.
Speaker B:My readings and things that I've enjoyed.
Speaker B:There's damn souls and there's demons.
Speaker B:And those are two separate things.
Speaker B:Now, maybe in certain instances, a damn soul can become a demon, but they're two.
Speaker B:Two separate things.
Speaker B:Generally speaking, damn souls are people who.
Speaker B:Humans.
Speaker B:What happens to humans who have died and are damned to hell.
Speaker B:Whereas demons are usually some kind of a manifestation of a fallen angel or one of their creations by a fallen angel, not necessarily a human.
Speaker B:So it's kind of a.
Speaker B:An interesting spin here.
Speaker B:Oh, that's what I got.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:But it's very.
Speaker B:But so I thought I was kind of like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:And Dean's pretty upset about this because he's about to go to fucking hell.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:She's like, yeah, it's not a metaphor.
Speaker B:There's a real fire and a real, real pit.
Speaker B:And reasons demons act like they do is because they don't remember being human.
Speaker B:Once you've been there long enough, you forget about all that fucking shit.
Speaker B:May take centuries, but you're gonna be just like that too.
Speaker B:You're gonna forget what it's like to be human.
Speaker B:And that's what it is.
Speaker B:And Dean makes a Hellraiser joke, and she's like, it's not too far off.
Speaker B:And, you know, that hell just burns away your humanity, basically.
Speaker B:And he just kind of gets quiet for everybody a second.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker B:He figures out at this point that there's no way, that there is no saving him.
Speaker B:She did lie to Sam that Dean's not getting out of his deal.
Speaker B:He's going to hell.
Speaker B:He's gonna die.
Speaker B:He's going to hell.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:But she also says that she lied to Dean or lied to Sam and Dean both down for.
Speaker B:But she lied to Sam for a purpose.
Speaker B:She needs to get Sam ready for Dean to be gone because they do have a war coming.
Speaker B:And Dean asks her why you want to win, and she's like, isn't it obvious?
Speaker B:I'm not like them.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:I wish I was, but I'm not.
Speaker B:I remember what it's like being human.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's pretty.
Speaker A:Pretty intense.
Speaker A:And then she vanished.
Speaker B:I mean, like, think about, like, that, like, the implication of being like in, like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker B:Not to, like, overanalyze fucking Ruby, but now let's analyze it for a second.
Speaker B:She's got.
Speaker B:She is, you know, living as a living.
Speaker B:She exists as a demon among demons.
Speaker B:And she is one of a limited few, if any, who distinctly remembers what it was like to be human and is trying to retain any of the humans.
Speaker B:Humanity, like, that would suck.
Speaker B:And then you get this one opportunity at, like, having some hope and something to believe in.
Speaker B:So, yeah, she's gonna fight for it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Does that make sense from the storyline so far?
Speaker A:From the storyline so far?
Speaker A:It makes total sense.
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:You're smirking at me.
Speaker B:This show's gonna throw me for a loop.
Speaker B:I can feel it, feel it in my bones.
Speaker A:I. I don't have a poker face tonight.
Speaker A:We'll see what happens.
Speaker A:Happens.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's also why I have you here.
Speaker A:Because you haven't seen this, and you have a different perspective on it because you don't know what's happened, so.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Well, I got.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think we have ripped this episode apart.
Speaker B:Witches.
Speaker A:Witches, man.
Speaker A:I love my witches.
Speaker A:Witches.
Speaker A:All right, so to all you boss, witches out there.
Speaker A:All right.
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