3:16 No Rest for the Wicked
We have made it to the Supernatural Season 3 Finale, "No Rest for the Wicked." We talk about the Supernatural Con in Dallas (well, Plano). Learn about Lilith, and if she really kills people with diabetes. This is also the episode where we get "Family Don't End with Blood" and Liz's theory that suburbs are evil and filled with demons is validated.
Sources:
- https://mythology.net/demons/lilith/
- https://people.howstuffworks.com/lilith.htm
- https://blog.nli.org.il/en/magical_bowls/
- https://www.familydontendwithblood.com/about-the-editor
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we're wrapping up season three.
Speaker A:We learn don't you dare scream for ice cream.
Speaker B:And that Lilith can kill with diabetes.
Speaker A:Don't forget family don't end with blood.
Speaker B:All right, let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to talk season three, episode 16, the end of season three.
Speaker A:No rest for the wicked.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:Hey, I'm Liz.
Speaker B:So we're here.
Speaker B:We're at the end of.
Speaker B:We've made it through three seasons and it feels like we just started this podcast and it feels like we've been doing this podcast for 20 years.
Speaker B:I know all of it.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:But yeah, we did some fun Supernaturally activities this week too.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna make a little confession and just a thing I'm just going to say because while I have not seen the episodes and I don't know a lot of the spoilers, I'm also like on our Instagram page and I've been to Dungeons now and I'm not a dummy.
Speaker A:And I've pieced together some exciting pieces that I've looked ahead a little bit at.
Speaker A:Just when things happen, not when things happen.
Speaker A:When people show up.
Speaker A:So I know that season four, I'm going to get to meet a couple of characters that people really like and I'm very stoked about that.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I honestly, as we start kind of ranking and going back through the seasons, season four is definitely up there as potentially one of my favorites.
Speaker B:I like, I feel like 5, 6 and 7 are like the sweet spot.
Speaker B:But, you know, like, we'll see.
Speaker B:There's like a whole bunch of.
Speaker B:There's always good stuff in all the seasons.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, there's so many, so many actors that are at the Supernatural.
Speaker B:Cause of diet is like, who's that?
Speaker B:I'm like, you'll see them in three seasons, you'll see them in one.
Speaker B:And we're trying to figure out like when she'll get to meet them.
Speaker A:And luckily the show has just such a good cast.
Speaker A:Not to just like, not just blow smoke up Supernatural casting to protect her ass or anything.
Speaker A:But they have a good cast.
Speaker A:So honestly, it's been nice because I've still been able to enjoy even if I haven't seen them in Supernatural.
Speaker A:I've seen them interact with other actors in Supernatural that I have.
Speaker A:You know, I've seen that interaction and then also a lot of them I've seen in other shows or movies.
Speaker A:So pretty Cool.
Speaker B:I mean, especially those who tend to hang around the genre we like with witches and demons and ghosties.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's the supernatural things we did this weekend.
Speaker B:What do we do this weekend?
Speaker A:Well, we have.
Speaker A:We have an array.
Speaker A:I'll just go.
Speaker A:I'll just take down the whole list of things we did this weekend and get.
Speaker A:And we'll culminate with what our audience probably cares the most about.
Speaker A:But Thursday, Liz made in town in time so we could go see punk rock show at Three Links in Deep Ellum.
Speaker A:And it was good because it was a band called Dog Company, who has had previous in the Couple of main guys in the band have been bands in the past called Riot Squad and the Staggers.
Speaker A:And they did those songs too.
Speaker A:It was super fun to celebrate a local tattoo shop's 25th anniversary called Suffer City.
Speaker A:I'll say it.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:And then on Friday, we've all got like, is it.
Speaker B:If you lived and ever lived in Dallas, you've gotten a tattoo by somebody.
Speaker A:At stuff that worked at Summer City?
Speaker B:Yeah, if you're cool.
Speaker B:If you're not cool, fuck off.
Speaker B:Like, we don't care.
Speaker B:But like, the cool people all went there at least one time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Friday, we did not get out of comfy pants and then.
Speaker A:And had to do a bunch of work.
Speaker A:But we did spend our night on Friday night with a Little Caesars Batman calzone.
Speaker B:That was pretty cool.
Speaker B:It's actually very tasty.
Speaker B:I think also just.
Speaker B:I was really hungry by then.
Speaker A:Yeah, the bat tail.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The what?
Speaker B:Whatever the bat quarter was.
Speaker B:I got out into the Bat tail Caesar stuff.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:The Alfred.
Speaker A:It's like an Alfredo thing or whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:So they shove some cheese and sauce into the badass.
Speaker B:And like, the badass was great.
Speaker A:Yay, badass.
Speaker A:And then this is how the new.
Speaker B:Covet starts eating Badass.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And we drank a bunch of wine and played Trivial Pursuit and Scrabble because that's what we do.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, to be fair, none of us had played.
Speaker B:I mean, I'd recently played Scrabble, but that was the first time I played Trivial Pursuit.
Speaker A:It's been forever.
Speaker B:How long?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:And who won?
Speaker A:Yeah, Liz won both games.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So humble.
Speaker B:I think that just means I handle my liquor better.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:And then Saturday we went to explore Italy at North park in Dallas, where we bought a gazillion Italian groceries and drank wine and had charcuterie.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Liz and I went down, checked out Dallas pinup, Little cool shop in Deep Ellum, and went and had fancy drinks at a little yellow Rosa Cantina.
Speaker A:Like, trying to be a speakeasy.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they have, like.
Speaker B:They're trying to be a speakeasy if speakeasies were only made for Instagrams.
Speaker B:And so, I mean, it's lovely to look at, but it's also really kind of fake, so it's.
Speaker B:It was fun.
Speaker B:They have the tacos before vato sign, which.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, that was great.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And the ceiling opens, which is really cool.
Speaker A:Weather was lovely that day.
Speaker B:So it worked.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker B:Not a lot.
Speaker B:I didn't think there was a lot of soul to it.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was fine.
Speaker B:It was fine.
Speaker B:And then we decided, oh, we're gonna go check out the revival of the.
Speaker A:Rodeo Rodeo bar and.
Speaker A:And the Dolphus.
Speaker A:But parking in downtown is a motherfucker.
Speaker A:So we abandoned that mission for another day.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And then we went to an Aztec temple and drank so tall and found out there's some so tall that we.
Speaker A:Do not like and some that we do.
Speaker A:But, yeah, we.
Speaker A:We went and picked up Babe to go with us to this new spot in Oak Cliff, which is a neighborhood of Dallas.
Speaker A:Oak Cliff.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And it's a Zamen Cafe X a M A N. And they have this cute little, like, bright coffee shop and, like, cafe in the front.
Speaker A:And then if you ask the right questions, they'll.
Speaker A:Or if they offer, you can go to the back room, which is the.
Speaker B:Or you make reservations.
Speaker A:It's not that secret.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Ayahuasca cantina in the back, which is, like.
Speaker A:It's super dark, moody, very small, like, craft cocktails.
Speaker A:I was a fan.
Speaker A:I was into it.
Speaker A:I can't wait to go back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, they have it, like, you walk down this dark hallway and it's got, like this thatched ceiling in it with, like, flowers.
Speaker B:And it was very cool.
Speaker B:Like, just blasting, like, all the incense that they could burn.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:It was this dark room with incense.
Speaker A:Like, like crazy incense.
Speaker A:Like, it was wild and everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everything is pre colonial Spanish and Mexican inspired.
Speaker B:So all, like, you know, just.
Speaker B:And they had an altar in there.
Speaker B:I really did feel like we were down in some of the places in Mexico that we've been that we loved, that we will probably go back to again soon.
Speaker A:We did a sotol flight.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And then we were tired and came back and drank a bunch of wine.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:Oh, Babe and Liz maybe watched two movies this weekend being Romancing the Stone and Cannonball Run.
Speaker A:So those were game changers.
Speaker B:No, you watched Smoking in the Bandit because.
Speaker B:Because Cannonball Run, shockingly enough, is not available for streaming.
Speaker B:You can get Cannibal Run, too, but you can't get Cannonball, get Cannibal Run one,.
Speaker A:Smoking the Bandit and Romancing the Stone.
Speaker A:But we, Liz and I, is most important for you guys.
Speaker A:Probably activity that we did was we went to the Dallas Supernatural Convention, which was not in Dallas, but that's what they were calling it.
Speaker A:So went to Plano.
Speaker B:It was Plano for.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what do you want to say about the con we enter?
Speaker B:Con.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:I mean, it was.
Speaker B:It was great.
Speaker B:You know, we didn't do the full weekend pass.
Speaker B:We just did Sunday.
Speaker B:Just because of timing and creation is really expensive sometimes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I appreciate all you ESPN family who can get, you know, or maybe like, you know, you're doing this the whole weekend, but I just can't afford.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't feel comfortable dropping that much money all the time.
Speaker B:Well, so.
Speaker A:And we prioritize.
Speaker A:Like, we did a different date and we saw different people speak in New Orleans just two months ago.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that makes a difference, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this time, Richard Spate was a no show again.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:We talked about that.
Speaker B:Rich.
Speaker B:Get your shit together.
Speaker B:Stop.
Speaker B:Stop filming stuff so much.
Speaker B:And then we did sit in on Rob Benedict's panel, and if you listen to the Monday morning mop up.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Sorry, babe.
Speaker B:I didn't mean to.
Speaker B:Quit kicking my mic.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I'm sor.
Speaker B:I can just hear him yelling at me later.
Speaker B:But on the Kings of Khan podcast, Rob talked a lot about.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He brought up some things that were said in our room, even though there's supposed to be an NDA and we're not supposed to talk about it, but really.
Speaker B:Because a lot of it was talking about his.
Speaker B:So Rob Benedict hurt his back, like, a week ago.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And then he heard it further over the weekend.
Speaker A:Jumping off of.
Speaker A:Jumping off of stuff and performing.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Playing drums and things with his band.
Speaker B:And apparently what he didn't say during the pan was that everybody and their mother were giving him drugs, and he just had, like, a pocket full of drugs that he was afraid to take.
Speaker B:So I thought that was really funny and something.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah, he was in super.
Speaker B:Not in the greatest of shape, but we got to do a meet and greet with him with about 20 other ladies.
Speaker B:And that was lovely.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:And he got to meet Peggy the Possum.
Speaker A:So if you saw our pictures this weekend, that was Peggy the Possum that joined us at the convention in our sweet, sweet tracksuits.
Speaker B:And maybe Peggy will be meeting some more Supernatural stars in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker B:Keep an eye out for Peggy.
Speaker B:She's a sneaky possum.
Speaker B:Sneaky, sneaky.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we got to go to the panel that I think, or the.
Speaker A:The whatever you want to call it.
Speaker A:It wasn't really a panel.
Speaker A:It was a Q and A.
Speaker A:It was a Q and A. Yeah.
Speaker A:But with what?
Speaker A:The event that everybody was waiting for.
Speaker A:The Texas boys were back in Texas.
Speaker A:And we got to see Sam and Dean take questions.
Speaker B:We got to see Jared and Jensen, and also their families were there.
Speaker B:And it was really sweet.
Speaker B:And I think, although, the best part is when Jensen and Jared are at these particular cons, they get to the last question, they have a song, and Rob sings.
Speaker B:He's like, last question.
Speaker B:And then, like, Jensen sings along.
Speaker B:And while singing along, Jared is bringing that fan who is going to ask the question up on stage to the stage.
Speaker B:And then sat her.
Speaker A:I thought she was going to throw up.
Speaker A:She was going to throw.
Speaker A:Throw up or pass out.
Speaker B:I was like, I thought she was going to die.
Speaker B:Like, I literally thought it was like, oh, my God, this poor girl needs.
Speaker B:Like, is there.
Speaker B:I'm sure there's a nurse here somewhere.
Speaker B:But yeah, so she's like, in between Jared and Jensen, and I don't think she remembered her name or anything.
Speaker A:And it's an awkward seating because they're like.
Speaker A:They've got this.
Speaker A:They've got her, like, on a chair, and they've got, like.
Speaker A:They're like one on each side of her, like, up on her shit.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And Jared keeps, like, touching her arm.
Speaker A:And I'm like, he's doing that a lot.
Speaker A:She's probably, like, freaking out.
Speaker A:She's going to watch that shirt again.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Or her face.
Speaker B:She's just.
Speaker B:That poor girl smells real bad right now.
Speaker B:And everyone's like, man, you know, like, things are sticking to you.
Speaker B:Like, you should probably get in the shower.
Speaker B:And she's like, I can clone this DNA and make my own.
Speaker B:Oh, she can, like, cross, like, take the DNA from Jensen, but.
Speaker B:And then make a gonna Jean splice, like, because they both starts with, like, J's.
Speaker B:Like, I can't.
Speaker B:I don't think we can do it.
Speaker B:We can't do it with their first names because it's just the same.
Speaker B:So Padaleck, Packles, Padacles.
Speaker B:She's gonna make up a Dackles.
Speaker A:Or attalecki.
Speaker B:An atalecki.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:Anyway, so it was like a time.
Speaker A:That was super fun.
Speaker A:It was cool.
Speaker B:Nice people.
Speaker A:Yeah, they did a sweet, coordinated, like, rock and roll jump kick with.
Speaker A:With Rob Benedict.
Speaker A:And then Diana's just really happy about.
Speaker B:That kick because she actually got a.
Speaker A:Great picture of it.
Speaker B:She got the live shot of it and she's very proud.
Speaker B:So that's why she's bringing it up.
Speaker B:She's like, haven't seen it.
Speaker B:That's really good.
Speaker A:Look at my Instagram and like it.
Speaker B:Why are you not liking my Instagram?
Speaker B:Like, click, smash the like button.
Speaker A:Smash the like button.
Speaker A:And yeah, that's the big updates here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we have come to the end of season three.
Speaker B:We have the fuck are my notes?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:No, I've been having issues with my printer, so I've been switching to try and do it, like, on one of my multiple monitors in my room.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But I'm also just so used to having the paper and I was like, looking around, I'm like, where's my notes?
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, yeah, they're right in front of your face, dummy.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:I think also one of the interesting things to think about, you know, because like you, as we've been talking about through the season, there was the big writers strike, right?
Speaker B:So there's this big gap where, you know, they're saying, like, yeah, we're sitting there, you're walking the riders, you're walking the picket line, and.
Speaker B:And really trying to think about how they were going to end the season.
Speaker B:And so we think about how we.
Speaker B:So how did we start the season out?
Speaker B:Right, so we started with they open the gates to hell.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker B:I mean, sometimes you just do that, you know, I mean, I think we found out there's hell gates in many parts of the country.
Speaker B:So sometimes you just accidentally open up a gate to hell because somebody tricks you into doing something.
Speaker B:It happens.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But we also, at that point, we got Dean, who has sold his soul to save Sam's life.
Speaker B:So we come into the season with this, this tick, tick, tick, tick of what are we going to do with all these demons that are out here?
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So how do we get at Dean out of going to hell.
Speaker B:So, you know, the big question is just because.
Speaker B:And that's the way they set it up the whole season is.
Speaker B:Sam was trying really hard to figure it out.
Speaker A:Like, did you.
Speaker B:I mean, for somebody who had not seen this, did you think that they were going to figure a way to get him out of going to hell?
Speaker A:I kind of did.
Speaker A:Or that he would go and come right back or something like that.
Speaker A:Like, not that I know why, how or why that would happen, but like, boom, boom.
Speaker A:Like, oh, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, I didn't.
Speaker A:I didn't really think we would just.
Speaker A:I didn't really think it was just going to be like, yep, he did in hell now.
Speaker A:Okay, bye, season's over.
Speaker A:Like, that didn't really cross my mind as a potential path for this episode or season.
Speaker A:Yeah, personally, I just, I mean, but you also.
Speaker A:They're really good at surprising you with shit like that too, on this.
Speaker A:I've already learned that in just the first two seasons and three seasons.
Speaker A:So, you know, it was.
Speaker A:It was hard to guess how that.
Speaker A:Where they were going to take it from there.
Speaker A:I mean, I've got a, you know, spoiler alert.
Speaker A:I happen to know that there's a season after this and a whole bunch after that that Dean is in.
Speaker A:So I'm.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not saying, like, I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm not saying that makes it any less, I mean, upsetting or traumatic or any of those things, except I'd be, you know, I'd be like, throwing shit if I knew that the season like, a.
Speaker A:Ended with something like that.
Speaker A:That would be like, I'm going to throw shit.
Speaker A:This is fucking dumb.
Speaker A:Like, three seasons in, like, oh, sorry, guys.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all we got.
Speaker B:You had to have a Supernatural movie to figure out the next parts.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, they.
Speaker B:There was that question, though, because, you know, because Sam was setting up that.
Speaker B:Setting up this idea that we were going to get out of it.
Speaker B:And so, you know, there was like, were the fans going to be.
Speaker B:Or the people watching it going to be on that same journey too and be just as surprised?
Speaker B:And it's been so long that I can't remember if I was shocked the first time.
Speaker B:Okay, we'll get to the ending in a bit.
Speaker B:All right, so let's start at the beginning.
Speaker A:Let's start at the beginning.
Speaker A:And this is the first episode where we finally get.
Speaker A:Finally.
Speaker B:No, they had it in the.
Speaker B:At the beginning, at the end of season two.
Speaker B:You just don't watch that.
Speaker A:You skip.
Speaker A:Oh, I missed.
Speaker A:So I don't always skip the recaps.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But anyways, yeah, season at the end of season two.
Speaker A:We got that.
Speaker A:Okay, well, we get this one.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:The end of season three.
Speaker A:We get Carry On My Wayward Son as the.
Speaker A:For the recap.
Speaker A:And then we see Dean running in the.
Speaker B:And to be clear, the recap is not just the episode.
Speaker B:The re.
Speaker B:It recaps the entire season series and showing no back.
Speaker B:I think it was just a season.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was the season.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I was like, oh, harmony is here, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we've got Dean running through the woods, being chased by.
Speaker A:Obviously, we know a hellhound at this point because it's a.
Speaker A:A large dog like creature chasing him in the fucking woods.
Speaker A:And we know he's about to die and go to hell.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:And then he wakes up and he's fallen asleep on a book reading about hellhounds.
Speaker A:So Sam comes in and is like, hey, Bobby, found a way to find Lilith and you've got 30 hours to go.
Speaker A:So we know the countdown is on.
Speaker B:Countdown is on.
Speaker B:And Dean's just like it, man.
Speaker B:Let's just go to tj.
Speaker B:Let's go get some senorita, some cerveza.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:How do you say donkey show in espanol?
Speaker B:And it is.
Speaker B:Do you remember.
Speaker B:Do you remember I told you last week?
Speaker A:You did tell me.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:No, I was drunk.
Speaker B:Show.
Speaker B:It really is show de boros.
Speaker B:At least as a queen.
Speaker B:Show de boros.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, no, I'm not gonna let you go to hell.
Speaker A:I swear it'll be okay.
Speaker A:And Dean looks at Sam and one of the very upsetting things that I don't like happens right then.
Speaker A:And Sam's face goes all like, the crazy shudder, like, look around, demon.
Speaker A:Like, see through face.
Speaker A:And I don't like it.
Speaker B:Nobody likes it.
Speaker B:It's gross.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is very upsetting.
Speaker B:It is a very upsetting visual.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what's weird is that Dean's not concerned by the way.
Speaker A:He doesn't seem very concerned by this at all.
Speaker A:So, anyway, so Bobby's got this crazy compass thing dangling over a map to find Lily, I think.
Speaker B:I thought it was an astrolabe.
Speaker B:I was looking up and there's like, some pictures of astrolabes.
Speaker B:That could be.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I got nothing for you on that one.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:I don't know what the fuck it is.
Speaker A:And starts this ritual and Says they need to go to identifies down to the street where Lilith is right now, which they say is in New Harmony, Indiana.
Speaker A:But Dean's like, you know what?
Speaker A:I don't fucking trust Bella's intel.
Speaker A:We don't even know if Lilith has my, you know, my contract and we don't have a way to gank Lilith.
Speaker A:He says that, ew, you're welcome.
Speaker A:And he wants to go in smart or not at all.
Speaker A:And it's kind of like, oh, who is this guy?
Speaker A:This isn't Dean.
Speaker A:That's not what Dean says.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I mean, I think David, this is like also a Dean kind of growing up episode too, right?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:Everything he does is very responsible.
Speaker B:So Sam wants to summon Ruby, AKA according to Dean, the Miss Universe of lying skanks.
Speaker B:And Dean also gives us the title of my next metal album, which is Lilith Owns My Soul.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:Dean's like, yeah, Ruby's just a fucking liar.
Speaker A:And Bobby's like, but I agree with Sam, we just need to go in, get to get Ruby, get her knife and just fucking do this.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, no, we're not going to make the same mistakes.
Speaker A:We got to find something else.
Speaker A:So Bobby leaves to go find something else apparently, because.
Speaker A:And he doesn't look very happy about it.
Speaker A:He seems very irritated about this like breakdown with the boys.
Speaker A:And then we all know, as we know is going to happen, Sam is going to fucking go summon Ruby anyways.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:So Sam decides he's going to play some demon hotscotch to summon her.
Speaker B:And you know, I'm just like, okay, you're so lucky that you always have chalk that works.
Speaker B:Because if I had to like use chalk for something, all I would have always broken.
Speaker B:It'd be like the little tiny nub thing and I'd be like, fuck.
Speaker B:And then like trying to like scrub and like, would never like like get her to be there because they just couldn't finish it because you ran out of chalk.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So she shows up and she makes a smart ass comment about, you know, phones work too.
Speaker A:Which is funny because that would be easier probably than demon hopscotch on the ground or.
Speaker B:Or using the blood.
Speaker B:The blood telephone.
Speaker A:Yeah, the blood telephone.
Speaker B:Telephone's just more fun.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's just labor intensive sometimes and you just want to make a quick like, you know, like a tech.
Speaker A:When a text will do.
Speaker A:You don't need a telephone.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's the same.
Speaker B:It's the same thing.
Speaker B:Like, don't call me when a text will do.
Speaker B:Maybe you don't need to use the blood phone.
Speaker A:And he's like, how did you know that?
Speaker A:He's kind of grilling her on like what she knew and why she didn't tell him things.
Speaker A:And I started at this point changing my notes.
Speaker A:Lilith is now Lil.
Speaker A:Which is funny to me because a, she's not a rapper.
Speaker A:Or is she a cute little.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:Or she like I say.
Speaker A:Or she a cute little kid.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well, maybe actually Lil might work.
Speaker A:Nevermind, retract that.
Speaker A:Lil works.
Speaker A:We're calling her Lil now, so.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, you weren't fucking ready.
Speaker A:She would have pulled the meat from your pretty, pretty faces.
Speaker B:And the whole time they're talking, they're doing this weird circle dance around each other.
Speaker A:It's kind of.
Speaker B:I don't understand.
Speaker B:It's like that purpose.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker A:I'm sure it was just like some like staging thing that they tried to do.
Speaker A:But it was really weird.
Speaker A:I don't know, maybe it was to build tension since there is tension here.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Ruby's like.
Speaker A:Lilith's on shore leave, which is weird.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But that means that.
Speaker A:And then the hex bags that y' all have means that she won't know that you're coming.
Speaker A:So y' all should just go fucking do it.
Speaker A:But he's like, cool, give me your knife.
Speaker A:And she's like, nope, that's not gonna work.
Speaker A:But you have the power, Sam.
Speaker A:You have the power to save Dean.
Speaker B:The power of grace.
Speaker B:Goal power.
Speaker B:Christ compels you.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:There's some power in there.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Had the power in you all all along.
Speaker B:It's a magic feather.
Speaker B:So his power, she says, you know, they' gone.
Speaker B:They're just dormant.
Speaker B:And you're not just gonna have visions.
Speaker B:You can do shit.
Speaker A:And that Lilith, Lil is scared of you.
Speaker B:She's so afraid.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:Like when Ruby's kind of like, yeah, what did you expect?
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm manipulative.
Speaker A:I needed you to be desperate.
Speaker A:I'm a demon.
Speaker A:Like, duh.
Speaker A:But I never lied to you.
Speaker A:And that's her big thing that she keeps doing that.
Speaker A:She's never lied to Sam.
Speaker A:She has been manipulative.
Speaker A:She knows that.
Speaker A:And she owns it.
Speaker A:But she's never been a liar to him.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's very scorpion.
Speaker B:And the frog thing, right?
Speaker B:Like I never.
Speaker B:I never told you I wasn't a scorpion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's just in my nature.
Speaker B:I'M gonna.
Speaker B:I'm gonna manipulate you.
Speaker B:But I don't know, like, really thinking back, if she ever did lie to him, and she might not have, but I mean, also the mission of the.
Speaker A:Truth is it can be a lie in its own way, depending on the impact of it, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, like from the beginning, she didn't say, oh yeah, Lilith has your brother soul and you've got psychic power.
Speaker B:She was, you know, so anyway, so Dean's gonna show up and he's going to refer to her as our.
Speaker A:Our slutty little Yoda.
Speaker A:And he's like, I knew, I knew she was.
Speaker A:I knew Sam was gonna call you.
Speaker A:I just want your knife, duh.
Speaker A:And she's like, Sam has a bum inside of him, basically.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, oh, what you want Sam to be your demonic Antichrist superstar Marilyn Manson reference?
Speaker A:And so she calls Dean a dumb spineless dick and he punches her in the face.
Speaker B:And then they have a pretty big brawl.
Speaker B:Like it's a hardcore knockdown.
Speaker A:Sam gets involved because he tries to intervene and gets hit too.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, but Dean comes away from the fight with the knife and managed to trap Ruby in a fucking devil's trap, which you knew there was going to be one down there.
Speaker A:If there is a fucking old ass house that the brothers are in at all, there's a devil's trap somewhere.
Speaker A:They've drawn in there.
Speaker B:Well, and that was what I was wondering if that circle dance earlier was because she knew where it was and then forgot about it when they were fighting.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then she has a fit.
Speaker A:She's pissed, she wants out.
Speaker A:And they're like, bye.
Speaker A:And she calls Dean too stupid to live and wishes that she could be there to hear you scream.
Speaker B:And Dean's wishes that she would shut her pie hole.
Speaker B:And we don't always get what we want.
Speaker B:There is quite a number of good pie holes at the convention, by the way.
Speaker B:Kudos to you people who had good pie holes.
Speaker A:Yeah, a lot of pie references.
Speaker A:All right, so now we got our brothers having a moment discussing what they're gonna do next.
Speaker A:They're about to fucking.
Speaker A:They're alone, their shotgun shells.
Speaker A:And Sam's just kind of sad.
Speaker A:He wants to know if he.
Speaker A:If r. He's right and he can take out Lil.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, what with your Carrie stare?
Speaker A:And Lilith goes poof.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But Dean starts.
Speaker A:This is kind of an interesting.
Speaker A:This is where I think you like, where they start to really reveal a little bit of Dean's growing up in this conversation.
Speaker A:He's like, look, we've got this pattern.
Speaker A:We've got a break, you know, between dad, me, we're selling our souls to save each other and it doesn't fix anything kind of a deal.
Speaker A:At the end of the day it just makes things, prolongs things and makes it worse.
Speaker A:And so they kind of have this poignant moment about how they're both willing to do anything for each other, but that also makes them each other's weak spots and that the evil, the demons are using that against them and they need to stop being martyrs and just go after Lilith, go after Lil the way dad taught them to.
Speaker A:And then Sam's mad because eye the tiger isn't jamming during that speech.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was very much a montage speech or a get things done on montage.
Speaker B:But I guess a before the final touchdown or whatever sportsball does.
Speaker B:So now we're going to figure out when like we need to figure out where they're going to go, you know, stop spreading it for the demons and go down swimming, swinging.
Speaker B:And they're like, so we got to figure out what a demon does for fun.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:We're going to cut to New Harmony, Indiana and my absolute version of hell.
Speaker A:Super duper duper, duper duper suburbs.
Speaker A:Very cookie cutter.
Speaker A:There's a ice cream truck.
Speaker A:I mean, that's part's not upsetting.
Speaker A:I like ice cream trucks.
Speaker B:I mean the ice cream truck is fine, but you could have an ice cream truck in the, you know, normal neighborhood.
Speaker B:But although we don't get them in mine, really,.
Speaker A:It's like Christmas music year round.
Speaker A:That's real annoying.
Speaker A:Anyways, and it's like some older gentlemen and they're down by the mailbox and they're shaking hands and asking about each other's granddaughters.
Speaker A:And as they're walking away, one has a piece of paper in his hand and it says help us.
Speaker A:Which is terrifying.
Speaker A:So we go inside and grandma's dead in the foyer, rotting.
Speaker A:I assume it's grandma, I don't know.
Speaker A:Later they make a recipe.
Speaker B:I think it's the babysitter.
Speaker B:Okay, maybe grandma was already dead.
Speaker B:Who knows?
Speaker B:Her grandpa got divorced from her a long time ago because she was escaped.
Speaker B:We don't, we don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's a dead older woman and in the, in the foyer covered in bugs, that's what we know.
Speaker A:And mom and dad and this grandfather who is just outside are fucking terrified.
Speaker A:A little girl comes downstairs covered in fucking blood.
Speaker A:And says freckles was mean to me.
Speaker A:So this little bitch killed her cat because her cat was mean.
Speaker B:It was a dog, by the way, according to Kripke, that it was her dog.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Because I was.
Speaker B:Which I don't know why is less upsetting to me.
Speaker B:Oh, but dogs are less likely to be very upsetting.
Speaker B:No, I, I would.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker B:I love puppers, but I love kitties.
Speaker B:But I don't know, like.
Speaker B:Anyway, so she's covered with blood and then her stupid father is just like, honey, he like kind of Windsor to her side, lying to her, and he's like, could you let us go?
Speaker B:And like, why would you ask that?
Speaker B:Yeah, like, that's.
Speaker B:You have.
Speaker B:Just leave, motherfucker.
Speaker B:Like, don't ask.
Speaker A:She's like, don't you want to be here?
Speaker A:Don't you love me?
Speaker B:So creepy this little girl is there.
Speaker B:They also were having like, special creepy.
Speaker B:Like they made her like, creepy little girl music is what they were calling the soundtrack to this.
Speaker B:And I'm like, you're right.
Speaker B:You're not wrong.
Speaker A:So we're gonna Silly Goose a lot too.
Speaker A:I realize.
Speaker B:Silly Goose.
Speaker B:Silly goose, yep.
Speaker B:So we're gonna cut to Sam and Dean in a baby that won't start.
Speaker A:She won't start.
Speaker A:And Bobby comes up to the window.
Speaker A:And I'm just gonna say what he's holding in his hand.
Speaker A:Looks like the COVID to your fire detector in your house.
Speaker A:But it's technically, it's the distributor cover.
Speaker A:It's the COVID to the distributor.
Speaker B:It's the COVID to it.
Speaker B:And because I was.
Speaker B:I did a lot of Googling today because we got to like a huge thing.
Speaker B:And I was like, okay.
Speaker B:And there are some things.
Speaker B:I don't think it's a distributor cap for baby at all.
Speaker B:But it could be.
Speaker A:It could be.
Speaker A:If you completely destroy.
Speaker A:Deconstructed the distributor, the plastic piece on top would look a lot like that if you took the entire fucking thing apart, which.
Speaker A:Which is wildly unnecessary and time consuming.
Speaker A:And you wouldn't do that.
Speaker B:When we were watching this drunk at the house, this led to, I think like a 15 minute debate about the quicker ways they could have gone through to that.
Speaker B:Bobby could have disabled the car.
Speaker A:He made a four hour project to disable the car and then make it work again.
Speaker B:Well, maybe he was just trying to be extra sneaky.
Speaker B:Like, maybe Bobby just like, you know, did a bunch of math and it was like everything.
Speaker B:I wanted to take a break.
Speaker A:It was like, I'm like, like, what the Fuck is the fire detector, the smoke detector cover doing in his hand?
Speaker A:And the car won't start.
Speaker A:Like, what does that have to do with each other?
Speaker A:That's what it looks like to me.
Speaker B:But, yeah, the only thing I think of, like, maybe he was trying to make it so they could easily figure out why the car wouldn't start.
Speaker B:But then he walked right up and you could have just disconnected the battery.
Speaker B:Like, that would have been the quickest part, the quickest way to dink.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's a lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of things that could have been done.
Speaker A:It was an odd, odd choice.
Speaker A:I don't feel like they had a lot of resident car experts on this show.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:I think they.
Speaker B:It sounds like they did, like, based on the conversations that they were having at the con.
Speaker B:And I think you're.
Speaker A:I don't think they had a lot of residents.
Speaker B:Are you trying to start something with the show or with Jensen Ackles or Jared?
Speaker A:No, they may have three seasons because they said that they didn't really put a lot of, like, distinct effort into the car until later seasons, too.
Speaker B:Well, they didn't have the money to put into the car until later.
Speaker B:But I doesn't mean that, like, they had to have people who knew about cars.
Speaker B:So there were, like, multiple things of baby there.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I disagree with this completely.
Speaker B:All right, so Bobby.
Speaker B:And I'm also trying to protect us from getting slaughtered by people who worked on the show.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B: c essay book that came out in: Speaker B:Stubbornness, who, like, we saw this advertised.
Speaker B:I think it for sale at the con as well.
Speaker B:But I also want to put this.
Speaker B:I was listening to it on the way home, and it's really, really good.
Speaker B:It's actors and fans celebrating the legacy of Supernatural.
Speaker B:And so it has stories from everybody, from Jared, Jensen, Misha, Jim Beaver.
Speaker B:His story is amazing.
Speaker B:Ruth, Rob.
Speaker B:And it just goes on and on and on.
Speaker B:And fans in there about.
Speaker B:Not only about how the show but how the, you know, the Supernatural cons and Jesse Espion family changed their life.
Speaker B:So if you're a fan, Diana, the show highly recommend checking that out.
Speaker B:Diana, check your mailbox tomorrow.
Speaker B:All right, so what.
Speaker A:And I did, like, Bobby's other line here is like, do I look like a ditchable prom date?
Speaker A:That's what he said at the door when he got to the car.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And Then he asks Dean about the hallucinations.
Speaker A:And apparently the him.
Speaker A:Dean seeing Sam's crazy face doesn't mean that Sam's a demon.
Speaker A:Means that Dean's hallucinating because he.
Speaker A:He's being chased by hellhounds.
Speaker B:And let's touch back with this later because we get to the cop.
Speaker B:We'll go to.
Speaker B:I'm going to talk about.
Speaker A:Because, like, what is this?
Speaker A:They've only shown us one hallucination at this point is what my.
Speaker A:Which is we're going to get to, I think what you're hinting at.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but in other.
Speaker B:In the previous episodes with hellhounds, those people also saw hallucinations.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And they weren't seeing demons.
Speaker B:But it is.
Speaker B:I do have a question about that when we get to that.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:All right, so they're going to take off in the car.
Speaker B:But Bobby is following, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam wants to give a misty goodbye speech.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, oh, hell no.
Speaker A:I don't want my last day to be socially awkward.
Speaker A:And so they rock out to Bon Jovi's Dead or Alive.
Speaker B:Because Bon Jovi does rock on occasions on occasion.
Speaker B:And like, at first they're really into it.
Speaker B:And then as it settles like, you get like, Jensen does this great job in the scene, like switching from the.
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna rock out.
Speaker B:I'm riding on my steel horse.
Speaker B:And then you just see kind of like the fear like that he's going to die.
Speaker B:Just kind of like creep over his face.
Speaker B:And it's very upsetting.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was a very, very well, well acted scene for sure.
Speaker A:There's a couple.
Speaker A:I think there's a couple of standout acting pieces in this show.
Speaker A:I'll just go ahead and give one of them.
Speaker A:I won't get into the.
Speaker A:I'll mention it when we get to it too, but Ruby is one of them.
Speaker A:And then of course.
Speaker A:But anyways, so of course baby has a fucking tail light out.
Speaker A:And they get pulled over by the.
Speaker B:Sheriff, which is hilarious.
Speaker B:We were watching it at the house and Diana's like, why is the tail light out?
Speaker B:At least?
Speaker B:Like, clearly it's probably like not on accident.
Speaker A:Once again, we were drinking, but.
Speaker A:And so the cops like, oh, you got a tail light out.
Speaker A:And reads Dean's ID that he's carrying today.
Speaker A:Called him Mr. Hagar.
Speaker B:I hope it says Sammy in front of it.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker B:I'm always disappointed by his.
Speaker B:His restaurant and.
Speaker B:Anyways, go on.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker A:And then all Of a sudden, Dean starts attacking the cop.
Speaker A:Like, busts his door open, knocks the cop over, stabs him with the fucking demon blade in the throat.
Speaker A:It was so brutal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the guy dies.
Speaker A:The demon dies.
Speaker A:It was a demon in the.
Speaker A:In the.
Speaker A:They say cop in law spots it was driving a sheriff's department car.
Speaker A:And it was technically different.
Speaker B:I thought he was a trooper.
Speaker B:Anyways, Okay.
Speaker B:I wasn't paying attention to him at all.
Speaker A:He said, sheriff.
Speaker A:So Bobby pulls up and is like, the fuck?
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, I could see demon face.
Speaker A:And so they all have to go hide the sheriff's car.
Speaker A:But if he was hallucinating, and I wonder if this is what you're going to.
Speaker A:If he was having hallucinations that made things look evil, like where Sam looked kind of demonic, how did he know that this was actually a demon and not just a hallucination?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And also, well, Bobby tells him that since he's almost hell's bitch, he can also see hell's other bitches.
Speaker B:But maybe I can only assume that it looks different than the hallucinations.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Maybe it's not like, shuddery to him.
Speaker B:Maybe like, the face is gone.
Speaker B:But if I had just seen my brother turn into, like, whatever things, I might have hesitated before I stabbed somebody in the throat.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:There's not a lot of.
Speaker A:At all.
Speaker A:He just like, bam.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:Like, he just.
Speaker B:He just went for it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut back to creepy little girl having her birthday every day.
Speaker A:Day.
Speaker B:Her birthday every day.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So we paused this and we went around and we figured out all the things that were on the table.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So she had Twizzlers, cherry pie, gummy bears.
Speaker B:Pete.
Speaker B:Diana insists they were Peanut M&Ms.
Speaker B:Cupcakes with cherries, some meringues or ice cream or sherbet or marzipan.
Speaker B:You could not figure that one out.
Speaker B:A cinnamon roll, some pieces of chocolate, something we think are those soft candy mints that grandparents used to have and that you used to get.
Speaker B:Like, the.
Speaker B:Like the really grows at the end.
Speaker B:Like at the end of a restaurant.
Speaker B:Like, everybody's hands were just like, licking their hands and shoving them in the mints.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But nobody had Covid then just said, all right.
Speaker B:And then sour gummy rings and brownies and chocolate chip cookies and the birthday cake.
Speaker B:So, like, not only is it her birthday every day, but her birthday is way better than any of my birthdays I've ever been.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And they're all going to have Blood.
Speaker B:Sugar crashes well, and they're also going to have diabetes.
Speaker B:Poor Grandpa, like, does.
Speaker B:She doesn't need to kill him.
Speaker B:She just did.
Speaker B:She just gave.
Speaker B:Like, he needs to, like, watch the Riffle Brimley commercial and just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she's all excited and then asks grandpa why he asked the neighbor for help.
Speaker A:So she knew.
Speaker A:She knew.
Speaker A:And I pieced together how she knew in a minute.
Speaker A:But basically, mom.
Speaker A:And then she's like, that's her parents.
Speaker A:Like, did you guys know?
Speaker A:And she's there like, no, no.
Speaker A:They're terrible liars.
Speaker A:So she tells her grandfather that he doesn't love her and snaps his neck.
Speaker B:What the fuck is the risk?
Speaker A:And then she gets kicking.
Speaker B:Ice cream.
Speaker A:And then she just wants ice cream.
Speaker A:Oh, she said no one screams.
Speaker A:Screaming makes me mad.
Speaker A:And then she wants ice cream.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, because, well, we all scream for ice cream.
Speaker B:So what do you do?
Speaker B:Like, I'm like, but she just told.
Speaker A:Them not to scream.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very confusing.
Speaker A:Mixed mad.
Speaker B:Tell me what you want, Lil.
Speaker B:Come on, Lil.
Speaker A:Don't scream.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we see that Sam, Dean and Bobby are watching from outside.
Speaker A:And we realize, we learned then that the neighbor that he tried to ask for help was a demon.
Speaker B:Also, because suburbia is full of demons.
Speaker A:That's what Liz takeaways.
Speaker B:They all run the pta.
Speaker A:And there's a reference here to a Colombian necktie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the reference to the company necktie is Dean is like, the little girls, Lilith.
Speaker B:And they're like, what?
Speaker B:And they're like, yeah, I can see.
Speaker B:Like, they can just tell that she's got.
Speaker B:I don't know how he knows what little space look like, but, you know, he recognizes she's.
Speaker B:I guess she's also the only demon left in there.
Speaker B:And he's just like, you know, Sam will just waste Russian.
Speaker B:And Teen says, you want to give her a Colombian necktie.
Speaker B:And so I had to explain to Diana what a Colombian necktie is.
Speaker B:Do you remember what I told you?
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker B:All right, so a Colombian necktie is when you slit somebody's throat and then you pull their tongue out.
Speaker B:Oh, you threw the gash.
Speaker B:The gash in the throat.
Speaker B:So it hangs, though, which leads a lot of like.
Speaker B:I mean, because then you've got to, like, go in, like, through the esophageal.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, you've got to, like, make the head, like, not come all the way off.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it's like a little, like, a lot of work.
Speaker B:It seems like a lot of work, but, I mean, it makes a statement.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It definitely makes a statement.
Speaker A:So we see mom crying, reading bedtime story for the 27th time.
Speaker A:Time.
Speaker A:Because she's.
Speaker B:That's what normal children ask for anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean decides they're gonna go track down the mailman.
Speaker A:They've got a plan.
Speaker A:So Dean scares the mailman.
Speaker A:Him and Sam are able to get him because he's a demon, too.
Speaker A:And they get his uniform.
Speaker A:Bobby put.
Speaker A:Makes the sprinkler water.
Speaker A:Holy water.
Speaker A:Which is brilliant, by the way.
Speaker B:It's very smart.
Speaker B:Very smart, dude.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They kill the neighbor that was spying on them from next door.
Speaker A:And then he shows up like.
Speaker B:But they're killing them with the knife.
Speaker B:And I have a problem with the knife, like, because how do you know that mailman wasn't going to live?
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Well, you're right.
Speaker A:They're making.
Speaker A:They made some really distinct moral choices here.
Speaker A:Where before, they were very concerned about attempting to do an exorcism first to try to remove the demon from the.
Speaker A:From the human body.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But a lot of times the bodies weren't going to survive.
Speaker A:I think they tried to kind of build up to the fact that they were going to be making this change.
Speaker A:And I think it was in the last episode there was a reference to how they're just, like.
Speaker A:They're just riding these.
Speaker A:Ride the bodies hard.
Speaker A:And they're just not.
Speaker A:None of them are going to survive now because of the way the demons are treating the bodies anymore.
Speaker B:They're fair.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I will go with that war.
Speaker A:So that makes sense because it does.
Speaker A:But that's kind of where I had no recognizable, like, man, they just.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:They just, like.
Speaker A:Total disregard for the potential human host of the human suit.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:The original owner of the meat suit.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, yeah, but.
Speaker A:So Ruby's there.
Speaker A:She's like, it's too fucking late.
Speaker A:And then they look around and all of the neighbors are demons and they're all creeping up.
Speaker A:So they're trying to break into the house.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And Dean sees Ruby's real demon face.
Speaker B:And he is like, oh, you're one ugly broad.
Speaker B:And I'm kind of disappointed that they don't show up.
Speaker B:Show us, like, any of what Dean is seeing.
Speaker B:And I know that's probably a money thing because CGI is expensive.
Speaker B:And there is a very expensive CGI scene coming up at the end.
Speaker B:And also, like, I really want to know how much this episode costs.
Speaker B:So this, like, where they're filming at was a legit suburban neighborhood in Vancouver.
Speaker B:They had.
Speaker B:Basically, they rented.
Speaker B:They rented out all of these houses from the owners, and the.
Speaker B:Then put all the owners up in hotels while they were filming this.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:And also, like, you got like, 16 houses who agreed to let you.
Speaker B:Like, to let you live, basically, you.
Speaker B:And you had to have paid them a ton of money because I would have been like,.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:The last.
Speaker B:The last holdout.
Speaker B:You're like, what?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:How you want to film here, how important this is to you?
Speaker A:You know, I will be sitting in my front driveway every day.
Speaker A:One thought.
Speaker A:And maybe this is reading too deep, but could.
Speaker A:Or maybe this is just a good workaround because, like, you said that it was a budget issue.
Speaker A:But could it have been intentional to not show us what Dean was seeing?
Speaker A:Because that's how Bobby and Sam felt.
Speaker A:Because they were not seeing what he was seeing.
Speaker A:And they wanted the audience to be in that position because they didn't want to imply that the audience was also hellbound like Dean was and on the brink of going to hell because it's kind of depressing to make your audience like, you're about to die and go to hell, motherfuckers.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, but they show the hallucination that he saw in Sam earlier.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think it was money.
Speaker B:That's just me.
Speaker A:I almost wish they hadn't done the same hallucination.
Speaker A:Honestly, I don't think it added anything to this story other than the fact that we knew he had hallucinated.
Speaker B:We knew he hallucinated, and it was creepy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I can see where you're coming from.
Speaker B:All right, so we're going to go inside and we're going to see the babysitter, grandma, whoever she is, and the.
Speaker A:Flyer, and they're really moving.
Speaker A:They're just kind of sticking on her.
Speaker B:Like, was there a fly wrangler?
Speaker B:Like, if they were alive, like, was there someone counting the flies to this one?
Speaker B:All right, so they meet up with the family, or they just meet up with dad.
Speaker A:Dad, yeah.
Speaker A:Because grandpa dead, Babysitter dead.
Speaker A:And so they get dad and Dean has to knock him out so they can go.
Speaker A:So they can try to go find the mom and the daughter.
Speaker A:And this is a very upsetting scene.
Speaker A:But the long and the short of it is, is Sam walks up and is about to stab this little girl laying with the mother.
Speaker A:And the mother's literally saying, do it.
Speaker A:She says it three times, getting louder and louder, saying, kill my fucking kid.
Speaker A:Is what she's saying, which is very.
Speaker A:I mean, for her, you kind of saw.
Speaker A:And they didn't spend a ton of time on it, but you did see earlier in this, the mom, the dad and the grandpa kind of having this conversation.
Speaker A:Like, it's not really her, but it's still our little girl, but it's not really her anymore.
Speaker A:Like, this whole battle that they were going through.
Speaker A:Sam is about to fucking kill her.
Speaker A:And right then Dean walks in and says, it's not her and grabs her.
Speaker A:Grabs his arm.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, you think about tales of.
Speaker B:And we've talked about it through these past three seasons.
Speaker B:Exorcisms of people where, you know, children and other people were killed because somebody wanted to get the demon out and thought that was what they had to do.
Speaker B:And this is almost the retelling of that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:It's just like, we just don't know what to do.
Speaker B:But thankfully, we don't have to watch a little girl get murdered.
Speaker B:Thankfully.
Speaker B:Because that would have.
Speaker A:That would have been upsetting.
Speaker B:That would have been very upsetting.
Speaker B:Like, why can't you exercise?
Speaker B:I guess it's Lilith, right?
Speaker B:But I'm just like, damn.
Speaker B:Still.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker A:But it also shows how far Sam was willing to go to try to save Dean, which is.
Speaker A:You know, this is also kind of upsetting.
Speaker A:It's doesn't make it good or okay.
Speaker B:Illustration.
Speaker A:Illustrative.
Speaker B:It's very illustrative of how fucked up this family is.
Speaker B:Because, like, I mean, there's.
Speaker B:There's a limit of, you know, normal.
Speaker B:Normal emotions.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I will do a lot to save my family.
Speaker B:Killing a child.
Speaker B:A child.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's never going to be up there.
Speaker B:Even if it's a demon child.
Speaker B:Still not.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker A:That's not even a demon child.
Speaker B:Not even a demon child.
Speaker B:Demon child.
Speaker B:I want to be friends.
Speaker B:We'd be playing.
Speaker B:We'd play Scrabble together, me and Journey.
Speaker B:Scrabble.
Speaker B:Be fun.
Speaker B:All right, so little girls, like, all right, so she's very.
Speaker A:She's very upset because she just woke up to a guy waving a knife over her.
Speaker B:She finds out what she did to her dog.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:See, that's the thing, too.
Speaker A:How do you.
Speaker A:How do you unfuck this family?
Speaker A:Now?
Speaker A:That's what I was thinking about.
Speaker A:Because, like, honestly.
Speaker A:So we're done with this family now.
Speaker A:And little something, little girl.
Speaker A:We don't need them anymore.
Speaker A:How does this family get unfucked?
Speaker A:This little girl is a fucking murderer.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:There's really a lot of therapy and like, does she go to jail?
Speaker B:Like, do.
Speaker B:Are there.
Speaker B:Half the neighborhood is now stabbed.
Speaker A:What the fuck?
Speaker A:This is crazy.
Speaker B:How do you explain this shit to the police?
Speaker B:Actually probably dad and mom and dad are going to jail for being serial killers.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And try and blame the little girl.
Speaker B:I'm like, no, it was my demon child.
Speaker B:And I'm like, no, fuck.
Speaker B:It was like, this is our new Ken and Barbie murders of Vancouver or new.
Speaker B:New Harmony, Indiana.
Speaker A:Terrifying.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So we're going to get a salmon, Ruby.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:Sam wants to do anything he can to save Dean.
Speaker A:Ruby's like, it's still too fucking late.
Speaker A:We needed time.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, no, fuck this.
Speaker A:You need to take care of my wheels.
Speaker A:And remember what dad and I taught you well.
Speaker B:And he does.
Speaker B:It is a very.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:I think it's very sweet.
Speaker B:And it is basically like.
Speaker A:And they're basically.
Speaker B:Dean's taking his responsibility for his fuck up and just telling Sam, you know, you got to keep fighting and keep, you know, keep fighting is, you know, the.
Speaker B:One of the biggest messages of Supernatural.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And it's the reason why everybody loves the show so much.
Speaker B:And Dean says, like, you got to keep fighting yet and do the things that matter, right?
Speaker B:Like, take care of my wheels like I taught you.
Speaker B:Fight, you know, fight like dad taught you.
Speaker B:Remember what I taught you and you're going to be okay.
Speaker B:And so I think just from you know, a relationship standpoint, if anybody's ever lost, you know, loved ones and that, that's like, that you get the best.
Speaker B:Like, at least you get to say these things to each other, right?
Speaker B:But it's still so sad because you start hearing the bells chime.
Speaker A:Time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's time.
Speaker A:The time is up officially and they're both crying.
Speaker A:And Ruby even says, at this point, I'm so sorry, Dean.
Speaker A:I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
Speaker A:Which is interesting because I think it's an important statement from her because it's.
Speaker A:They've had.
Speaker A:They've been not nice to each other basically, ever so.
Speaker A:And then you hear the dogs barking.
Speaker A:So the fucking hellhound's in the house.
Speaker A:Dean can see it, but the others can't, it seems.
Speaker A:But they know to run.
Speaker B:I see it.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Know he's cute.
Speaker B:He's probably got little flames coming out of him.
Speaker B:He's like dripping acid out of his mouth.
Speaker A:He looks like a flaming Kevin.
Speaker B:I think he would look like a flaming Kevin and probably do just as Diana's dog.
Speaker B:Kevin like this weekend decided that.
Speaker B:Well, he always.
Speaker B:He always decides that he's my boyfriend.
Speaker B:But he got really jealous this weekend.
Speaker B:And anytime like any other dog would come near me, he would just come.
Speaker B:He's 90 pounds of fluff.
Speaker B:And just be like, yep, you can't have her.
Speaker B:She's my.
Speaker B:Including the poor elderly dog.
Speaker B:Poor Ash.
Speaker B:Anyways, our animals are alive.
Speaker B:So we start seeing through the Hellhound's perspective, which I think is a really good.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:It's a good.
Speaker B:It's a good turn, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They try to secure a room.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know what their plan is, but maybe just delay as much as possible, but.
Speaker A:So Ruby, Sam and Dean are secured in a room and Ruby wants the knife back.
Speaker A:And this is the point where Dean looks and tells Sam that's not Ruby.
Speaker A:And now we know that Lil has taken over Ruby's body.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Lilith.
Speaker B:All right, guys, it's time we're going to talk about fucking Lilith.
Speaker B:I'm a way long time to talk about her.
Speaker B:Time for some lore.
Speaker B:Yeah, Laura and I was waiting until she was grown up and pretty because I wanted to talk about her and not have you picturing a child.
Speaker B:Because I can tell you some things if you think picturing a child and it's not gonna be good.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:All right, so what the part of the Lilith lore and there's a lot of Lilith lore.
Speaker B:I'm gonna focus mainly on the Jewish mythology of it just to keep.
Speaker B:Keep this simple.
Speaker B:And hell, I mean, maybe then we can start telling other stories, you know, if she'll be back.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Well, she didn't die yet.
Speaker B:But there.
Speaker B:I will say though, there's a lot.
Speaker B:Just before we go into the Jewish.
Speaker B:There is a lot of plausible theories that the mythology, the Jewish mythology descended from the demons that were in Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian lore.
Speaker B:But I mean as Lilith is also something that of late we've seen a lot of revival of not only in, you know, pop culture.
Speaker B:So we had, you know, we had Lilith on.
Speaker B:On True Blood.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:And then she merged with Bill and became Billet Sounds Queen.
Speaker B:The vampires Lilith.
Speaker B:That was very upsetting.
Speaker B:And then of course we had the best Lilith ever who was a Lilith on Sabrina.
Speaker B:And I'm spacing on the actress who played her name right now.
Speaker B:We'll look it up later in Porto.
Speaker B:But she is my favorite fucking Lilith and she is an amazing actress and on the show and in real life, just a fucking fashion icon.
Speaker B:I love her.
Speaker A:I Love her.
Speaker B:I love her.
Speaker B:So most of this, this I'm pulling from mythology.net however I read, I read a bunch of other things on it.
Speaker B:And this just kind of had the best summary.
Speaker B:And it was easier for me to mainly pull from one source because, like I said, it was a pretty good summary.
Speaker B:All right, so the basic spoiler of the Lilla story is that she was the first woman created, not Eve, right?
Speaker B:So Jewish God, Jehovah, he made Adam and a bunch of animals, right?
Speaker B:And Adam, who's a little man, this is also the other theme is Adam's a little man, right?
Speaker B:So Adam was very upset that all the animals got to have mates.
Speaker B:And while he tried, all of the animals, none of them felt just right.
Speaker B:So he was like, please, Jehovah, give me a mate.
Speaker B:And God was like, fine.
Speaker B:So he's like, well, since you've been made, we're made out of dust.
Speaker B:I'm going to make this woman from filth and sediment.
Speaker B:And he made Lilith.
Speaker B:And she was beautiful.
Speaker B:And Adam's like, why, yes, she is much hotter than that sheep I was fucking yesterday.
Speaker B:And then they started boating and Adam was very happy until Lilith was like, what is this missionary shit?
Speaker B:Let me be.
Speaker B:Let me be on top.
Speaker B:We're both made from dirt and we are equal.
Speaker B:I don't need to be riding underneath underneath you.
Speaker B:And Adam was like, no, I can't handle a strong woman.
Speaker B:I'm a man here.
Speaker B:You will obey me.
Speaker B:I will make you have sex under me.
Speaker B:AKA he tried to rap her because Adam was a dick.
Speaker B:But Lilith, being the strong ass bitch she is, was like, hell no, motherfucker.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go live my best life.
Speaker B:So she just said, said the unspeakable, which was the magic word, Jehovah.
Speaker B:And after she said that, she just flew away.
Speaker B:So Adam, AKA Little Man, Bitch Wine's Jehovah is like, I don't have my baby.
Speaker B:I don't have a thing to fuck.
Speaker B:I don't want to fuck.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:I wanted to fuck Lilith.
Speaker B:And God was like, fine, all right, I'm going to send the angels Senoi San Sonoi and Samantha to go bring Lilith back.
Speaker B:So they found her, but when they found her, she was partying in the Red Sea and she was begging a bunch of demons every day.
Speaker B:She gave birth to a little demon baby and that was known as the Lila.
Speaker B:So they're like, hey, Lilith, you got to go back to Adam.
Speaker B:And like, we're going to drown you.
Speaker B:And she's like, fuck you.
Speaker B:No way.
Speaker B:I'm going back to that goat fucker.
Speaker B:And so she was like, look, remember God gave me these power over children.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:So basically in this, because she was supposed to be taking care of kids, she had power over newborn boys until they were eight days old and over little girls until they were 20 days old.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:Jehovah's like the male more whatever.
Speaker B:So they're like, oh, no, she has something we want.
Speaker B:So they're like, let's just.
Speaker B:Let's ask her nicely.
Speaker B:Let's start begging her.
Speaker B:So they beg her.
Speaker B:And she was like, no, no, no, not gonna do it.
Speaker B:But I'll tell you what, if you put an amulet around a baby's neck with your names on it, I'm not gonna hurt them.
Speaker B:And they're like, I guess that's okay.
Speaker B:So they flew way back to Jehovah.
Speaker B:And Jehovah was like, what?
Speaker B:No, she's not listening to you.
Speaker B:So he comes and he tries to bully her.
Speaker B:And he was like, like, look on, I'm going to execute 100 of your children every day.
Speaker B:Because she'd been begging a lot of demons over in the Red Sea.
Speaker B:You had a lot of babies and that.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:But she was just like, no, you can't bully me.
Speaker B:Fuck you.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And then he dickishly just like, fine.
Speaker B:And he just started killing all her babies.
Speaker B:So Lilith was a bit pissed.
Speaker B:And she was like, well, you know, like, I could just, you know, go and fuck some more demons and make more babies.
Speaker B:And said her and her concert nama decided to go.
Speaker B:Go around killing human babies because they were the descendants of Adam and Eve and she would strangle them if they did not have that angelic amulet on.
Speaker B:And also she couldn't find a baby to kill.
Speaker B:She would just kill her own in a fit of rage.
Speaker B:So not doing the best.
Speaker B:Not your best reactions here, Willis.
Speaker A:But, you know, so Jehovah, her motherly instincts were questionable.
Speaker B:Yes, she motherly instincts.
Speaker B:So Adam still whining.
Speaker B:And Jehovah's like, well, you shut the fuck up here.
Speaker B:Like, I'll make you another woman.
Speaker B:You can watch me make her.
Speaker B:So he makes her.
Speaker B:And even though she was beautiful, Adam's like, I saw her.
Speaker B:Get me.
Speaker B:That's so gross.
Speaker B:I don't know that.
Speaker B:So Jehovah took her away and that was actually the first Eve.
Speaker B:And nobody knows what happened to her.
Speaker B:Like, she just disappears.
Speaker B:So who knows?
Speaker B:There's this random first Eve running around somewhere.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And then of course, Adam starts whining Again.
Speaker B:And Jehovah is like, find your little man child.
Speaker B:Here's another woman.
Speaker B:Try not to fuck this one up.
Speaker B:And so this is how we got the other Eve.
Speaker B:So we all know Eve 2.0.
Speaker B:Eve 2.0, who is like, I am so subservient to Adam.
Speaker B:Oh, what's this snake with an apple thing?
Speaker B:That apple looks really tasty.
Speaker A:Like tasty.
Speaker B:They are tasty.
Speaker B:Unless it's like mushy apple especially.
Speaker A:Get some Tajin on that motherfucker.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there are some texts that say that the serpent in the the garden was actually Lilith, which would make her then possibly Satan.
Speaker B:Satan is a woman.
Speaker B:So that's basically kind of it.
Speaker B:There are some other creation versions of creation stories within the Jewish mythology.
Speaker B:One is that she was made of dust alongside another woman, Naama, who is also named as her consort later.
Speaker B:And that Adam was borking both of them.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But all those babies demons that came out, there's another story that Jehovah created one human with a man on the front and a woman on the back.
Speaker B:When they couldn't talk to each other because it's really hard to talk to someone that's behind you.
Speaker B:So he split them up.
Speaker B:And then again.
Speaker B:But the whole, the whole scenario starts again because Adam just only wanted to do missionary and was like, I just want to be cowgirl.
Speaker B:Like come on, just can be sideways or something.
Speaker B:Fudge you.
Speaker B:Why do you always have to be on top?
Speaker B:Which I'm just like Lilith.
Speaker B:Like you got to learn to be a little lazy man.
Speaker B:Like missionary.
Speaker B:Just lie there, you know.
Speaker B:So besides the baby killing, Lilith also apparently liked to go around at night finding men and like especially if they were single men or solo travelers.
Speaker B:And she would send them dirty dreams so they would touch themselves.
Speaker B:Geez, I wonder who made that up.
Speaker B:No, babe, I swear Lilith made me masturbate.
Speaker B:And one theory is also that the semen the from the night emissions were used to make her demon babes.
Speaker B:There also is a story that she and Naama like to suck the blood of their victims, which made many to believe who inspired the legend of the Lamia, which in turn inspired the vampires.
Speaker B:Hence Lilith is queen of the vampires.
Speaker B:Hence Billeth.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so if that was not enough to blame her for, they also blamed her for causing infertility in women.
Speaker B:Just to add some extra grief for Adam and Eve's descendants.
Speaker B:So only, you know, other one other fun fact about Lilith.
Speaker B:In addition to amulets to keep her away, there were also in Babylon, there were Jewish wizards in the 5th to 8th 8th century CE that would make you a magical bowl to help protect you.
Speaker B:And they made bowls for all sorts of things, and the National Library of Israel has them, and they're really interesting.
Speaker B:And I just picture, like, Jewish.
Speaker B:I also just like saying Jewish wizards.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:It just sounds really funny.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So that is the shortened, condensed version of Lilith, but obviously I think we will talk more about her in the future.
Speaker B:But Lilith was a.
Speaker B:And I. I understand the.
Speaker B:The reason for the resurgence of popularity of Lilith.
Speaker B:There's a lot of.
Speaker B:Especially neopagan stuff.
Speaker B:By the way, happy Imbolt to all the pagans.
Speaker B:That is today and tomorrow is Groundhog Day.
Speaker B:It's a happy, you know, happy Groundhog Day to all you billboard.
Speaker A:Isn't it Lunar New Year also?
Speaker B:It is also Lunar New Year.
Speaker B:Happy year.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The tiger.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker A:All the things.
Speaker B:Yeah, but I mean, so.
Speaker B:And I don't think that much of the mythology is being taken into the show.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:We're not really seeing that.
Speaker B:We are seeing that she's a demon and a powerful, powerful.
Speaker B:A powerful demon, but we're not really getting the backstory at this point.
Speaker B:I think that Sabrina did a much better job with that backstory.
Speaker B:Also, like, Lucifer was hot as fuck in that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So I. Yeah.
Speaker B:Even with his, like, stumpy goat leg.
Speaker B:Yeah, I sort of.
Speaker B:Anyhow, he was hot, man.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Anyhow.
Speaker B:So back to Supernatural.
Speaker A:So you're talking about Madame Satan on Sabrina, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Oh, gosh, it is actress Michelle Gomez.
Speaker B:Michelle Gomez.
Speaker A:And they also did have a Lilith ark in Lucifer.
Speaker A:It was very, very short one, but.
Speaker A:But they did have one.
Speaker A:I remember it tied to Mazikeen backstory.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I love Mazekeen, but it was.
Speaker A:Just to feed, you know, to bolster your.
Speaker A:Your.
Speaker A:Your point that there is a bunch of it in current pop culture right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, just really that resurgence, you know, and they're not really.
Speaker B:I mean, everyone's kind of like they dive into the background her of the show, but she is generally being shown as a very female character, even in.
Speaker A:A very, very sexual and strong female character.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And of course, my whole thing is, you know, this was just the patriarchy really trying to show that.
Speaker B:And I'm also just like, this sounds like.
Speaker B:I think it's really funny that in most of, like, the patriarchal mythologies like this, you know, there's a lot of.
Speaker B:It was to explain women, like, what their place was supposed to be, and so they're supposed to be going.
Speaker B:Eve is a woman.
Speaker B:You're supposed to be life.
Speaker B:And I'm like, no, I want to be like, Lilith Lil is a badass.
Speaker B:Like, you want to go.
Speaker A:You want to go part party in the Red Sea and bang a bunch of demons?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That sounds way more fun than sitting around a garden with fucking whiny ass goat fucking Adam.
Speaker B:Like, that's fair.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is also why, you know, Eve got really sick of him in the Lucifer series too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So Lilith has sent Ruby far, far away.
Speaker B:She was a bad girl.
Speaker A:Very bad girl.
Speaker A:And this is where I was going to say I was talking about.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:Now my turn.
Speaker A:I blanked on the actress playing Ruby.
Speaker A:Man, her body language at this point is really, really well acted because it's.
Speaker A:You can tell it's always important.
Speaker A:I think with something when you're doing a show like this or have characters like this where you can tell a difference.
Speaker B:Katie Cassidy.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can tell that it's a different quote, unquote, character in.
Speaker A:In the.
Speaker A:That the person's playing.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:I was impressed.
Speaker A:I really like the way she embodied it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She is also going to be at Alamo Hero Con in three weeks in Austin.
Speaker B:And for $80, I can get my picture taken with her and baby.
Speaker B:Oh, it may be worth it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I was really impressed with that.
Speaker A:And then she, like, totally kisses Sam against it.
Speaker B:It was really gross.
Speaker B:It was really gross.
Speaker B:Like, I think.
Speaker B:I mean, I know because she was just a little girl or.
Speaker B:It just creeped me out.
Speaker B:It was a bad kiss.
Speaker B:It was a bad kiss.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But Sam's trying to take advantage of it and, like, negotiate for Dina with this.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:She's like, for a negotiate, you have to have something I want and you don't.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Dean asks, like, hey, your plan.
Speaker A:What is?
Speaker A:Then send me to hell, kill Sam and become queen bitch.
Speaker A:And her response is, I don't have to answer to puppy Ch Chow.
Speaker A:So this.
Speaker A:She a bad bitch.
Speaker B:She bad.
Speaker B:And then she says, second boy.
Speaker B:And then the door opens.
Speaker B:So much fucking blood in a hilarious amount of blood.
Speaker B:They're like some obvious, like, little straws of, like.
Speaker B:You can see, like, where the straw was, like, shooting at it.
Speaker A:It's like a super squirter coming out of his chest.
Speaker B:That was pretty fun.
Speaker A:Blood squirting.
Speaker A:Like, I feel like in some ways I Wonder if it was intentional to break up.
Speaker A:How like, upsetting and traumatic this was going to be.
Speaker A:But, like, good God, it was.
Speaker B:Or if it was just like, how much blood can we make him out of him?
Speaker B:All the blood.
Speaker A:And so he's got big three, giant, like not three, but like a big claw mark across his chest.
Speaker A:And Dean's just bleeding the fuck out, blood squirting everywhere.
Speaker A:Dean bleeding out.
Speaker A:Sam's pinned to the wall with crazy demon power.
Speaker A:The demon flank got him against the wall.
Speaker A:And Sam yells, no.
Speaker A:And Lilith flush Lilith inside.
Speaker A:Ruby goes, yes.
Speaker A:And then she shoots white light from her hand.
Speaker A:That's what happens.
Speaker B:I was like, okay.
Speaker A:And she shoots white light from her eye, from her hand.
Speaker B:So the white light that she's shooting at Sam though, right?
Speaker B:Because it's not working.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, because that's what she used.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Well, I was wondering about that too.
Speaker A:I was like, what was supposed to happen here?
Speaker A:Like, she's okay.
Speaker A:Your room got real bright.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:But I think she was trying to do to Sam and the household the same thing that she had done in the police office, which killed everybody in that place.
Speaker A:Like incinerated it.
Speaker A:But the building didn't collapse and nothing happened to Sam.
Speaker A:So that's weird.
Speaker A:And when.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:I kind of missed that at first.
Speaker A:So I was kind of like, okay.
Speaker A:So we see that she.
Speaker A:She like.
Speaker A:Like the white light goes away and she tells Sam to back up, but nothing happens.
Speaker A:He's like, not pinned to the wall anymore.
Speaker A:And he's walking towards her and he's just about to stab her with the knife.
Speaker B:And then she smokes out.
Speaker A:Cock smokes out.
Speaker A:And poor.
Speaker A:The body falls to the ground.
Speaker A:And I'm going to assume that this body's dead because I feel like Ruby's probably been real hard on it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is fun.
Speaker A:And Dean looks real dead.
Speaker A:So Ruby dead.
Speaker A:And more importantly, Dean dead on the floor.
Speaker A:And Sam is crying and it's very sad.
Speaker A:And we zoom into Dean's eye holes.
Speaker A:I say eye holes.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:We zoom into his eyes.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, like, zoom into his eyes and it's like, supposed to look like a web neuron kind of thing going on.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're gonna see Dean chained to a web of chains with hooks through his body.
Speaker B:And he's screaming, meat hooks look very painful.
Speaker A:Not like.
Speaker A:Not like, cool.
Speaker A:I'm going to go do some like, weird suspension shit.
Speaker A:Like, no giant fucking, like, evil meat hooks in him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I Mean, according to Ken, you know, so basically he said, you know, we just hung Jensen in a harness.
Speaker B:This is from the Supernatural Companion.
Speaker B:We just hung Jensen in a harness and we had a prosthetic meat hook in his shoulder and one in his stomach and the rest were cgi.
Speaker B:We had him spread out and hung out with some chains that led away from his body and the rest was all just artwork.
Speaker B:And this was apparently was a real big pain in the ass to shoot.
Speaker B:It was a big pain in the ass to CGI.
Speaker B:It took they only had 10 days to shoot it.
Speaker B:So this one, like 30, like was like 30 seconds, was like 10 days shooting.
Speaker B:I was at what Jensen's had to say about this and he said, out of the 60 episodes that we've shot, that was the most physical pain I've been in for one shot.
Speaker B:I showed up at five in the morning to start, start a four hour prosthetic application with the hooks in my side, neck, wrists and ankles.
Speaker B:They bring me on set and they've got five wires wired up so they can hook into my wrists and ankles.
Speaker B:Then I put a belt on, cinched it really tight, and they piped me right in the back of the belt.
Speaker B:I had five guys pulling me up and just basically quartering me.
Speaker B:I was probably about 13, 14ft in the air, just hanging there.
Speaker B:Most of the weight was, most of the weight was on my belt.
Speaker B:The harness slipped past my jeans belt and the metal buckle dug into my hip.
Speaker B:So I had all hundred ninety pounds of myself basically resting on this buckle that was pinching into my hip.
Speaker B:And I had to hold it there for five minutes, which is a really, really long time when you're suspended on one wire.
Speaker B:And he said, you know, after they yell cut and they were lowering me, I had tears rolling down my face, partially because the scene, but more because of the pain.
Speaker B:It sucked.
Speaker B:But it turned out to be a pretty cool shot.
Speaker B:And they did three or four takes of that before they found what they liked.
Speaker B:And wild as somebody who has had all her body weight put onto one, like giant steel hoop and had to hang there for a bit.
Speaker B:Like, I can't imagine doing five minutes having that dig into my hip.
Speaker B:Like after like 10 seconds, I'm like.
Speaker B:And I can't.
Speaker B:I can't even fucking imagine this.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it is an epic way to end the season.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think, you know, they do and they talk about it like a panic, like all the directors and the writers and we talk about this to you like this How?
Speaker B:With this season, they did a very good job of.
Speaker B:We wrapped up our loose ends for the most part.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But we're also ready for season four.
Speaker B:You know, it's not a.
Speaker B:It's a cliffhanger, but it's not like one of those things where, like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker B:Like, you know, it's, oh, we know.
Speaker A:Sam said Dean dead.
Speaker A:That's pretty.
Speaker A:Where's.
Speaker A:Where we're leaving off?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:We wrapped up the Bella story.
Speaker B:Yeah, we've wrapped up Ruby for now.
Speaker B:You know, we don't know where she's going, but we know she's not there anymore.
Speaker B:We have an idea.
Speaker B:We know that Lilith is going to be involved, so.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:Lil.
Speaker A:Good old Lil.
Speaker A:That's like color now, apparently.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm excited for the next season.
Speaker B:So what did you think of the season overall?
Speaker B:Do you have, like, a favorite episode or anything?
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker A:I'm not good at favorites.
Speaker A:That stresses me out, so I'm gonna ignore that.
Speaker A:I would say I did enjoy the season.
Speaker A:I am certain that our beloved brothers will find something else to at some point, assuming they are able to be reunited in the future to nitpick and argue with each other about.
Speaker A:But I'm somewhat relieved that this arc, that this story, this specific story has kind of concluded, included.
Speaker A:Not because I didn't think it was interesting.
Speaker A:I didn't think it was expressive of their relationship, but because it was.
Speaker B:I was trying to listen to them.
Speaker A:Argue about it by the end of it.
Speaker A:But, I mean.
Speaker A:But I also, like.
Speaker A:I think they.
Speaker A:You know, I think it really solidified Bobby's relationship with them.
Speaker A:I think that they're.
Speaker A:You know, the development of Dean's character that he was forced to develop in this was really good.
Speaker A:Really kind of facing his own fears.
Speaker A:I think that was important because he did not have that mentality at all before.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think.
Speaker B:I think there was a. I think there was a lot of growth for Dean.
Speaker B:I don't know if there was a lot of growth for Sam so much in the season.
Speaker A:Well, maybe a little bit.
Speaker A:They alluded to it at the end of this episode or in this episode mostly.
Speaker A:He'd been really, really, like, just kind of totally avoiding ignoring the fact they had had any kind of powers at all.
Speaker A:And this is the first time that they.
Speaker A:They're kind of like, he's actually considering accepting him.
Speaker A:And Ruby fucking does.
Speaker A:In this episode.
Speaker A:She calls him out.
Speaker A:She's like, what?
Speaker A:You're so scared of being different?
Speaker A:Basically, like, she doesn't use those words, but she's like, you just don't want to be different.
Speaker A:You know, like, your brother looks at you, but you don't like to be a freak.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you have this power.
Speaker A:And he was willing at the end of the episode when he was desperate, finally he was willing to try to use that.
Speaker A:So maybe we'll see him embrace that aspect, which would be like, hey, you know, if you've got something that can be used for good, maybe you should try to use it if you.
Speaker A:If you can.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think it's weird that we just didn't mention that the entire season.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, I guess beginning of the season, he's like, now they're gone, right?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And that's about it.
Speaker A:I think the other thing I would point out, just comment on this season.
Speaker A:I think I saw really, a lot of really great single episode actors and people that recognize from other things, and that was super fun.
Speaker A:And I hope that's something that continues on, too, and the future seasons.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker B:Then they start bringing in shitty actors, you know, Shitty.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:But, like, yeah, there's a million unknown actors that.
Speaker A:There's a million unknown actors that are amazing.
Speaker A:But seeing like, hey, I love that person on this.
Speaker A:Or that's just kind of fun.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:So, yeah,.
Speaker B:Well, we.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:We are very excited to bring you season four.
Speaker B:So I think we said at the beginning we're going to take next week off just to give us a little break and then give you guys a little break and give you time to catch up.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Like, I'm so far behind.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, go catch up on your episodes, bitches.
Speaker B:So we'll give you.
Speaker B:We'll give you a week.
Speaker B:You can do that in a week, right?
Speaker B:Right, sure.
Speaker B:And you can catch up on ours and listen to whatever.
Speaker B:I hear there's another podcast somewhere doing a rewatch, whatever.
Speaker B:If you want to listen to that, you.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think that's gonna be it.
Speaker B:Unless you have anything else.
Speaker A:That's all I got.
Speaker B:All right, well, cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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