4:02 Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester
Dean is getting all philosophical in Supernatural, Season 4, Episode 2 "Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean Winchester." Liz proposes throwing goats at ghost children. Diana is intrigued by Sammy's Psychic Senses. We pose the question: will Lucifer being a chubby little devil seal?
And finally, hear the tragic story of Keith and Kate Haigler and the Church of FOU Bus Hijacking.
Sources:
- http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/4.02_Are_You_There,_God%3F_It%27s_Me,_Dean_Winchester
- https://www.nytimes.com/1982/07/04/us/2-cultists-hijack-a-bus-then-kill-themselves.html
- https://tayloraalison.blogspot.com/2012/07/tale-of-two-witnesses.html
- https://iconoclast-scientist.weebly.com/a-closer-look-at-cults-and-media.html
- Witnesses for the Lamb: TheTrue Story of Hijacking, Murder, and Suicide in the Ozark May, Molly, 2021.
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we will learn about the new foundation goats against ghost children.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about Sammy's psychic senses.
Speaker A:And chubby beetle devil seals.
Speaker A:Chubby little devil seals.
Speaker B:The cold is stupid.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're gonna talk about season four, episode two.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:Hey, I'm Liz.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That was abrupt, I think.
Speaker A:Were you gonna say the title and then stop and then you're like, I don't know what's happening.
Speaker A:I don't know where I am.
Speaker B:Just went for it.
Speaker B:Just went for it.
Speaker A:Hey, Diana.
Speaker A:Hi.
Speaker B:How are you?
Speaker A:I'm sleepy.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's getting late.
Speaker A:And I don't know, like, it's that which is a winter thing going on or if I' doing too fucking much, which is also possible.
Speaker B:I mean, there is a wintry storm, I think, rolling in again.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was like 80.
Speaker A:It was like 80 degrees today.
Speaker A:And I think we're gonna get down to.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like, we're gonna get down to the 50s again tomorrow.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I can't.
Speaker B:Can't do this anymore.
Speaker B:Yeah, this morning, I mean, we are not that far apart.
Speaker B:We are, but, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:And like this morning with our high temperature, like this morning I got up and like was let the dogs out.
Speaker B:It was like 70 degrees and it's like in the 30s now.
Speaker B:That's stupid.
Speaker A:Texas.
Speaker A:Texas.
Speaker A:Why you gotta do this to us?
Speaker B:That's so wrong.
Speaker A:So that's why you left Texas?
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker B:No, because if I was gonna just leave Texas for funsies, usually Oklahoma wouldn't be my first choice.
Speaker B:No offense, Oklahoma, but kind of it is what it is.
Speaker B:So now I went to.
Speaker B:Me and my car club went to Tulsa.
Speaker B:It was my first time to Tulsa this past weekend for the Darryl Starboard car show.
Speaker B:And it was super fun.
Speaker B:It's a big indoor car show in Tulsa.
Speaker B:They do every year.
Speaker B:It was like the first 58th anniversary, I want to say.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's a.
Speaker B:It's an interesting little town.
Speaker B:Our hotel was on Route 66 and one of our club members grew up in Tulsa, so he had all the food recommendations.
Speaker B:So we went to like Hideaway Pizza, which has been there since the 50s, and went to a Coney island place because apparently people are really into Coneys in Tulsa.
Speaker B:Just seems weird.
Speaker B:There's multiple Coney Islander, like Coney island original, like hot dogs with chili on them.
Speaker B:Places in Tulsa and then a couple other places.
Speaker B:Goldies and tallies.
Speaker B:I. I will say that in a weekend, I probably consumed more cream gravy than I have in the past year.
Speaker B:I'm not mad about it, but my body probably isn't thrilled.
Speaker B:I mean, I love gravy, don't get me wrong, but.
Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker A:Did you start taking those cholesterol meds yet?
Speaker A:Because you made me.
Speaker B:Might want.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:No, they told me to wait on meds.
Speaker B:It's a diet and exercise.
Speaker A:And then I went.
Speaker A:Diet.
Speaker A:You mean consume a bucket of cream gravy?
Speaker B:Pretty much, apparently, yeah.
Speaker B:So that's what I did.
Speaker B:It was delicious, for the record, but it was a lot.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we were in.
Speaker B:We had three hot rods up there in a group of about seven people.
Speaker B:It was a good time.
Speaker B:Spent a lot of time up at.
Speaker B:In the evenings at Mercury Lounge, Tulsa, which is a super fun dive bar.
Speaker B:There might be a Devil's Trap sticker there now.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think since you.
Speaker B:We've talked last, you also escaped Texas briefly.
Speaker A:Oh, that's true.
Speaker A:Because I forget we're in the past and the future and time doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I went to Las Vegas, but I didn't Vegas, like, you know, people Vegas, because I'm me.
Speaker A:I did get some shabu shabu, which was amazing.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker A:I love any place that brings me like massive amounts of meat and then tells me to, like, make my own meal out of it.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just love it.
Speaker A:So, yeah, Vegas was fine.
Speaker A:And tried to avoid as much crowding and footballing as I could.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:I was at a Super bowl quote unquote party for like the first two through halftime.
Speaker B:He said innings, whatever, whatever.
Speaker A:Sports ball.
Speaker A:Thick quarters.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:I'm very tired and I don't give a fuck about sportsball, so.
Speaker B:Well, babe was very happy with the results of the game.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna say.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was very happy that nothing.
Speaker A:Nobody hacked it, so.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then this weekend did some tootling around the hood and finally went and checked out Graveyard Vineyards.
Speaker A:And they are a winery here in Dripping Spring that are partnered with the place in Paso Robles.
Speaker A:Delicious wine.
Speaker A:Lots of fun, spooky themed stuff, you know.
Speaker A:So I'm not going to complain.
Speaker A:They have like.
Speaker A:Like, what are their wines?
Speaker A:That came out was called Psycho.
Speaker A:Like it's.
Speaker A:But that was unfortunately sold out.
Speaker A:I did somehow drink enough to become part of the wine club because, you know, that's what happens.
Speaker B:But it's what you do?
Speaker A:Well, I've lost two of my other wine clubs and this one you only have to do, like, it's like twice a year.
Speaker A:And then you can just go to the.
Speaker A:Go over.
Speaker A:I can drive over there and pick up six bottles and that.
Speaker A:That'll be.
Speaker A:Yeah, so did that.
Speaker A:And then Sunday was Doom Forge Day at Jester King Brewery.
Speaker A:So that was lots of metal bands.
Speaker A:Sure, that's what you were.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But, you know, so lots of stouts and shit all over.
Speaker A:Some stouts do not need to exist.
Speaker A:There are some, like.
Speaker A:There was like a couple of them that, like, had raspberry and just like maple.
Speaker A:Like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker A:And finally we got to the reg.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:Those were good primo dog watching.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, So many puppies were out at the brewery.
Speaker A:It was so great.
Speaker A:There was one woman who came by with a giant, floofy white dog with bat wings on it, and our table just started cheering.
Speaker A:And then she was like, is that for my dog?
Speaker A:I'm like, what the fuck do you think it's for?
Speaker A:Like, of course it's for you.
Speaker A:But we got to be friends with him and he was very fluffy.
Speaker A:And then they were having Viking war games, but that was just like three dudes and kind of Viking clothes, hitting each other with swords.
Speaker A:It was very confusing.
Speaker A:We're like, I think these are the games.
Speaker A:All right, we're going to move on.
Speaker A:And then we went to go watch the goats.
Speaker A:And so Jester King, if you ever been there, it's one of our larger.
Speaker A:Like, they're breweries and they're like, they have wine.
Speaker A:They make wine there too.
Speaker A:But really it's just all about a place or a way to get hang out and drink stuff and, like, around picking tables, like, lots.
Speaker A:That's just what happened to ranch land around here.
Speaker A:They turned into places for us to go hang out.
Speaker A:And so they have a goat barn and they do things like, they do have, like, goat metal yoga occasionally and they do have regular goat yoga.
Speaker A:And then you can also just go hang out with the goats.
Speaker A:So we're sitting there and we're watching the goats and there's this little goat and she's in this little red sweater.
Speaker A:I'm like, that's so cute.
Speaker A:And one of our friends is very good friends with the goat keeper and we learned that this young little lass was not in a red sweater because it was cute.
Speaker A:She was in a red sweater because she likes to attack children.
Speaker A:So they put her in a red sweater to basically keep an Eye on her to, like, make sure she's not destroying or killing a small child.
Speaker A:And of course, we're just like, come on, knock over a child.
Speaker A:And we just said finally, like, after 20 minutes, she finally started headbutting a toddler.
Speaker A:We're like, yes, this is the best day ever.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:No toddlers were harmed in this.
Speaker A:The toddler was fine.
Speaker A:It was a very small goat.
Speaker A:Like, I'm sure, like, she could probably cause some damage if you left with a toddler for a while.
Speaker A:But it's like your dog, but headbutted by a.
Speaker A:Your dog.
Speaker A:Your toddler got headbutted by a puppy.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's not over, but they're fine.
Speaker A:And also generally, like, the ones who are getting knocked over, Like, I saw it was selective.
Speaker A:Like, they were.
Speaker A:You know, it was.
Speaker A:It chose wisely.
Speaker A:Like, I think waiting for the.
Speaker A:The right appropriate friend.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, that's hilarious.
Speaker A:And so, because I drank so many shitty stouts this weekend.
Speaker A:No offense.
Speaker A:Guys, let's move.
Speaker A:Stouts are good, but some of them just don't do that.
Speaker A:I'm drinking a Saint Arnold French press because it's delicious.
Speaker B:Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Speaker A:Yeah, well.
Speaker A:And I'm sure it's also some.
Speaker A:Those beers are like.
Speaker A:Oh, you're great for, like, the tasting portion, right?
Speaker A:Like, if I had just, like, that.
Speaker B:Little shot glass, not a whole glass,.
Speaker A:It would be fine.
Speaker A:Like, it would be interesting.
Speaker A:But then, like, I don't want to drink a beer.
Speaker A:Like, like, literally was like coffee mixed with wine.
Speaker A:It was not.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:Speaking of wine, I'm drinking some Coleman tonight because I ordered some.
Speaker A:Yum.
Speaker B:Got my Coleman Ken car going on tonight, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, cool.
Speaker B:Well, let's.
Speaker B:Let's talk about.
Speaker A:And one other thing.
Speaker A:So coming up this weekend is will be Alamo Herocon.
Speaker A:I think we mentioned this last time, but ton of supernatural folks are going to be out there, including Mark Shepard.
Speaker A:Ruth is going to be there.
Speaker A:Where are the other celebrity pictures?
Speaker A:Okay, so Ruth Connell, Katie Cassidy, Emily Swallow, Julian, Richie Richings, the baby replica, and then a bunch of anime people, which I don't understand how those are.
Speaker A:I guess they're people who do voices.
Speaker A:And good on y' all for getting people to pay for your autograph when you're not even.
Speaker A:They're not even seeing your face.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That is amazing.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:There's a fucking girl on here.
Speaker A:Oh, dear Lord.
Speaker A:I'm probably her.
Speaker A:Her followers can come at us if they want.
Speaker A:There's one girl who's gonna be on there.
Speaker A:Her name is Megan Riley.
Speaker A:She's a content creator on TikTok and Instagram with over 1.7 million followers in just under two years.
Speaker A:Meg is a Texas born and raised.
Speaker A:And there's this picture of a chick in a flat hat and a crop top shirt and jeans sitting in front of pasture.
Speaker A:The fuck?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Why are you.
Speaker A:Look, I don't care.
Speaker A:Influencers are fine.
Speaker A:You guys have your own world.
Speaker A:Stay the fuck out of my nerd places.
Speaker A:You go do your other shit.
Speaker A:Like, go, like, do your makeup tutorial, maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe she's a cosplayer.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'll go look at her at her Instagram later.
Speaker A:And if it's not, I apologize.
Speaker A:Otherwise, boo.
Speaker A:Okay, let's get to this episode.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Are you there?
Speaker B:Season 4, Episode 2 Are you there, God?
Speaker B:It's me, Dean Winchester.
Speaker A:Did you ever.
Speaker A:Did you read.
Speaker A:Are you there, God?
Speaker A:It's me, Margaret.
Speaker B:I don't think I ever did, actually.
Speaker B:I'm very familiar with the reference, but I don't think I ever read it.
Speaker A:I am of the age where it was very, very much required reading.
Speaker A:Okay, so this was season four, episode two.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by Phil Scritchamp, and the tableau play is by Sarah.
Speaker A:And I think it's really cool.
Speaker A:The story is credited to Sarah and also to Lou Bolo, who is the stunt coordinator on Supernatural.
Speaker A:And basically he just pitched them some ideas, and they were like, we like your idea.
Speaker A:And so they kind of gave and, like, wasn't exactly this, but this.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, they made it.
Speaker A:They made an episode out of it, and they gave him credit, and he's got another one that's coming down.
Speaker A:And that's just why I think the show is awesome.
Speaker B:That's pretty neat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we kick off with our recap with a little Billy Squire, Lonely is the night.
Speaker B:And then we jump into a female sleeping.
Speaker B:She fell asleep reading the book that Liz also happens to have.
Speaker B:The secret teachings of all ages.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Which is an encyclopedic outline of Masonic, hermetic, kabbalistic and Rosicruc symbolic philosophy.
Speaker A:So no wonder the bitch was asleep.
Speaker B:I was gonna say.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:That sounds like a page turner right there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But it's one of the first clues that we have that maybe she's not a normal.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker B:She might be into some of this stuff.
Speaker B:And she is sleeping to the Three Stooges.
Speaker B:I noticed, by the way, too.
Speaker B:I thought that was funny.
Speaker A:I thought it was funny.
Speaker A:The Three Stooges are also asleep.
Speaker B:It was very clever.
Speaker A:And the Three Stooges are asleep.
Speaker B:But then we all know this is always a bad sign when the lights and the TV start flickering and she wakes up and she sees her breath.
Speaker B:Now, we know this is bad because shit got cold, and the cold is stupid.
Speaker B:That's why we know.
Speaker B:So the phone rings.
Speaker A:Bad.
Speaker A:Down with the cold.
Speaker A:So wait, this entire series just hates winter?
Speaker B:I mean, they're in Canada.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:Like, fucking cold, man.
Speaker A:Got.
Speaker B:So she wakes up and the phone's ringing, and the answering machine picks up.
Speaker B:So we learn her name is Olivia.
Speaker B:And as she's going to the wall where she has a wall of weapons inside the wall, which is pretty sweet.
Speaker A:Oh, he's a bad bitch.
Speaker B:She pulls out her EMF reader, and we hear Bobby leaving the message for her, saying there's something big going on.
Speaker B:He thinks, and she puts down her EMF reader and grabs a fucking shotgun real fast.
Speaker B:And then there's a spirit of a guy who looks very dead.
Speaker A:Her sleeve shorts were awesome, and I hate them.
Speaker A:Always trying to find, like, the perfect sleep shorts.
Speaker A:I'm like, can it, like, someone tell me wardrobe where she got those?
Speaker A:Because those looked really great.
Speaker A:And also she looks really hot in a, like, little Henley wife beater in shorts, like, rocking a shotgun with rock salt.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, you go, Olivia.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she's, like, spreading salt.
Speaker B:She's, like, got her shotgun.
Speaker B:She's this guy pops up, and so she obviously recognized him, so she blasts him and he comes back right away.
Speaker B:She apologizes, and then as soon as she turns around, there's a chick spirit and who, like, all we see is her.
Speaker B:Like, some.
Speaker B:The chick spirit is dead.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:The dead chick, like, reaches into her abdomen and she screams.
Speaker A:So, yeah, one of the other things I also noted about Olivia, like, just being like, you may have been more put together than some of the other hunters.
Speaker A:This show is about, like, did you see her bags of salt?
Speaker A:Like, those were fucking smart as shit.
Speaker B:Big, big canvas industrial bags full of salt with a drawstring.
Speaker B:Easy to open, easy to transport.
Speaker B:Quite.
Speaker B:Quite.
Speaker B:Quite well thought out.
Speaker B:Now she could just put, like, a nice, big, solid line of salt down with quickness.
Speaker A:I also, like, her weapons were organized very well.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker B:They just could see everything.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think, you know, she.
Speaker A:She should have a Netflix show on how to organize your weapons closet.
Speaker A:So I. I would be straight.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, so she's dead.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Sorry, Olivia, you're awesome.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker A:We barely knew you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So sad.
Speaker B:So sad.
Speaker B:So we cut to Sam and Dean arguing because of course they are.
Speaker B:And we are arguing though, because Dean is not convinced that Cassiel is actually an angel.
Speaker B:He thinks he could possibly actually be a demon because he quite frankly doesn't believe in fucking angels.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he was not groped by an angel.
Speaker A:Which I thought was a great line.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But really, you know, I don't think it's illogical argument that if angels are real, real, why have hunters never seen one?
Speaker A:Okay, good point.
Speaker A:I will take that point.
Speaker B:Yeah, but now he has seen one.
Speaker A:But now he has seen one, but, you know, but nobody else.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Bobby is like, look, man, I got all this lore.
Speaker B:Look, I have a pile.
Speaker B:I have a pile of lore on angels.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:He's in his research, he's discovered that an angel can snatch a soul from the pit.
Speaker B:So from hell.
Speaker A:And that the picture of the angels taking the soul out of the pit looked like a child.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:It was amazing.
Speaker A:So I just hope somebody in the art department was just there with Karina.
Speaker B:Scribble, scribble, scribble.
Speaker B:We forgot this.
Speaker A:Guys get it out there.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But nothing else can in their lore at all.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, well, that's kind of good news.
Speaker B:So you were saved by the good guy.
Speaker B:But we figure out that not only that Dean has some real issues with belief in God because he doesn't believe in God while Sam does.
Speaker B:But Dean's biggest problem.
Speaker B:And we.
Speaker B:He actually comes around.
Speaker B:This is something.
Speaker B:A theme through this episode which is ties into the title, ties into this whole thing.
Speaker B:He's like, but why me?
Speaker B:Why would I deserve to be saved?
Speaker B:I don't deserve to be saved.
Speaker B:And it creeps me out that I'm the one single out.
Speaker B:It's a lot of pressure to be like, oh, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Everybody else is fucked, but God's gonna save this guy.
Speaker B:Like, that's a kind of a.
Speaker B:Like, whoa.
Speaker A:Also valid point though.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But doesn't make it untrue.
Speaker B:It just makes it very intimidating and hard to process.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:So Bobby has a big old stack of books on angels.
Speaker B:Dean wants pie.
Speaker B:And so Sam's gonna go get chips and pie.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:That's where we're at.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Because you need pie to study.
Speaker A:And I believe you, Dean.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm supportive of this as well.
Speaker B:But while Sam's out, who does he see?
Speaker A:Ruby.
Speaker B:And she is freaked the fuck out about an angel saving Dean.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Because angels smite first and ask questions later and they scare the holy hell out of her.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Which you know.
Speaker B:Holy hell.
Speaker B:Get it?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And so she bails.
Speaker B:She's like deuces.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's smart.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back to Bobby's.
Speaker B:And as Sam's pulling up, Bobby and Dean are packing the car up because they need to go check on Olivia, who's a hunter.
Speaker B:And Sam forgot the pie.
Speaker A:Yeah, I would just.
Speaker A:I'd be like, you can't come now.
Speaker A:Now you have to go.
Speaker A:Like, you go make me pie.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna point out there's some discrepancies in some of the travel time in this episode that.
Speaker B:But we're not going to worry about that now.
Speaker B:I'm just going to mention the fact that these road trip timelines are a little bit questionable either way.
Speaker B:So they get to Olivia's.
Speaker B:Guess what?
Speaker B:She did not only did this ghost chick like, like or just reach into her abdomen, they like fucking like gutted her like full on.
Speaker B:Like, what was it?
Speaker B:My head goes to spaceballs.
Speaker B:Which is not the original reference.
Speaker B:When something busts out of your chest, it's actually from aliens.
Speaker A:But space also works, works.
Speaker A:And yeah, I had in there like her stomach was ripped, but not like six pack ripped.
Speaker B:So Bobby's pretty fucking upset though.
Speaker B:And they see the salt line, so they're like, this is not.
Speaker B:Not good.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, she had the CMF reader, so she must have been looking for something.
Speaker B:But a ghost shouldn't be able to do this to a person is their concern.
Speaker B:And Bobby goes in the room and apparently he's trying to call his other hunter buddies and cannot get a hold of them.
Speaker B:And that is a very bad sign.
Speaker B:Now something is after all that we're.
Speaker A:Also knowing, like, Bobby's got a lot of friends, right?
Speaker A:Like, or at least like, he knows.
Speaker B:Bobby's got a network.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it was like, I think that's an important, like, kind of characteristics that we're developing now.
Speaker A:Like, Bobby is like at and T. Center.
Speaker A:Center for all of this.
Speaker A:But so he, you know, he's freaked out.
Speaker A:And then Sam.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Precious, precious Sam.
Speaker A:And I know they exaggerated how dumb he looked in this, but he like looked at Bobby and he is just like, something's up.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker A:And then Bobby just gets like the like the exact look I would get on my face and be like, you think you're dumb, Sam?
Speaker B:So we cut to a another house kind of like in the country somewhere kind of seems.
Speaker B:And the TV goes static and we.
Speaker B:Or TVs on static and we've got another dead hunter who has been gutted.
Speaker B:And apparently this is Jed.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:Jed's dead.
Speaker B:So they get.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean are there to check it out while Bob.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:They're like, yeah, Bobby's checking on other.
Speaker B:They're all on the phone talking.
Speaker B:Bobby's checking on other hunters.
Speaker B:And Dean says, ganked.
Speaker B:I just thought you should be aware of that.
Speaker A:No, no, he says ganking.
Speaker B:He uses it as a verb.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He's a ghost or ganking hunters.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And they're like, all right, we all just need to meet up.
Speaker B:And so, because this is not good, that all of these hunters are getting ganked by ghosts.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:But of course, Sam and D decide to stop for gas.
Speaker A:I mean, baby takes up a lot of gas.
Speaker B:She probably does not get great mileage.
Speaker B:You're correct.
Speaker A:And so they stop at saving gas.
Speaker A:And you know, I'm like, like, all throughout this, they're always stopping at, like, the shittiest gas stations.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well, is it because they care less about credit card fraud?
Speaker A:I mean, because they're.
Speaker B:Because, like, I never particular.
Speaker B:I know where those skimmers are.
Speaker B:Like, no, I'm not running my card there.
Speaker A:Well, also, like, your bathroom is going to be gross and your snacks aren't going to be great.
Speaker B:Well, they don't have Bucky's in Canada, though.
Speaker A:They don't have BUC EE's.
Speaker A:But I'm sure they've got, like, Quick Stop or something.
Speaker A:I did whatever I sent my friend in New York beaver nuggets.
Speaker A:And then I was like, this morning, you the crack.
Speaker A:And then, like, I got, like, messages, like, why did I start eating these before I made dinner?
Speaker A:This is really dumb.
Speaker A:And then, oh, I've made a bowl of them.
Speaker A:Crap.
Speaker A:Mike has found them.
Speaker A:And, like, her partner is like.
Speaker A:Has found the nuggets.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, sorry, have you.
Speaker B:Had the salted caramel ones?
Speaker A:Yes, they're all.
Speaker A:All of them are delicious.
Speaker B:I had a bag of those on the way on the road trip anyways, because we had to stop at BUC EE's.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:It's like a law.
Speaker A:It is a little.
Speaker B:You have to get at least one.
Speaker B:You don't have to stop at every Buc EE's, but you have to stop at a Buc EE's on a road trip.
Speaker A:And preferably the Bigger one.
Speaker B:So anyways, the fountain drinks, the bathrooms, and the beaver nuggets and the jerky.
Speaker B:Anyways, the list goes on.
Speaker B:So sorry, back to it.
Speaker B:So he goes to the bathroom, which is gross.
Speaker B:Sam does.
Speaker B:And there's something creeping.
Speaker A:To be clear, the him going to the bathroom is not gross.
Speaker A:Although, like it could have been.
Speaker A:We didn't see that.
Speaker B:We decided watching the.
Speaker B:Thank you for the clarification.
Speaker B:So hold on.
Speaker B:These guys have something.
Speaker B:They know something is killing and chasing hunters.
Speaker B:They know shit's weird.
Speaker B:And they leave Dean asleep in the car.
Speaker B:And Sam goes alone to take a leak.
Speaker A:They're fine.
Speaker A:Sam has his.
Speaker A:Sam has his magic hand.
Speaker A:He's like, whatever.
Speaker A:Like, I need to go be gross.
Speaker B:And of course it gets icy.
Speaker B:So of course there's a fucking ghost because it's cold and the cold is stupid.
Speaker B:But guess who it is.
Speaker A:Who is it?
Speaker B:It's agent Henriksen from the FBI.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:He did?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So basically Sam's like, I'm so sorry you died.
Speaker B:We didn't know.
Speaker B:And Henriksen is not nice about this.
Speaker B:He is pissed.
Speaker B:He blames Sam for their death by Lilith.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:That he.
Speaker B:You know, that they left them there to die at that station.
Speaker B:And talks about how like it just starts beating Sam up.
Speaker B:And so Dean busts him with a shotgun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Very brutal fight.
Speaker A:Which for a ghost too, is like this ghost.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just beating the shit out of him.
Speaker B:And so Dean busts in with a shotgun and blasts him away.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So we cut though.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:So they're at the gas station and it's nighttime.
Speaker B:I just want to clarify this.
Speaker B:This is one of the timeline things that I was like, very confused by.
Speaker B:Bobby's at home and by.
Speaker B:At his house by himself, waiting for Sam and Dean to get there.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden it's cold and you hear children giggling.
Speaker A:My note says.
Speaker A:Oh crap.
Speaker A:Is that children giggling?
Speaker A:Get me a goat.
Speaker B:You need a little goat with little red.
Speaker A:Little red jacket, little red sweater.
Speaker A:Just for ghost children.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:That is our new thing against ghost children.
Speaker A:We're just going to throw little goats and red sweaters at them.
Speaker A:You take that, you terrible ghost children.
Speaker A:Take the goat.
Speaker A:The goat.
Speaker A:Ghost children.
Speaker B:So, yeah, and he's walking around with a fire poker and the ball bounces downstairs and there's creepy twin girls.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker B:Like, why do they have to be twin girls dressed the same.
Speaker B:I hate that shit.
Speaker A:So there's a couple of things we can go into.
Speaker A:Is like as they were picking their ghost for this.
Speaker A:But you Know, those are obviously inspired by the Ghost and the Shining, which are also.
Speaker A:There are apparently some urban legends about them.
Speaker A:I found, like, one tale of, like, ghost children haunting a place in Arkansas.
Speaker A:Not Arkansas.
Speaker A:I don't know, Carolinas.
Speaker A:Somewhere Southern.
Speaker A:But I couldn't find, like, where the urban legend came from, except for the fact that I think it's just.
Speaker A:There's one ghost child is creepy.
Speaker A:So let's just add a second one.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that's not good.
Speaker B:And then we cut back to Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:They're trying to call Bobby, and he's not fucking answering.
Speaker B:So we know that's not good.
Speaker B:And Sam kind of alludes to the fact that he understands why Hendrickson would blame them for his death, which is kind of sad, too.
Speaker B:So it's still nighttime during this phone call in this conversation.
Speaker B:Then all of a sudden, it's full daylight night as Sam and Dean pull up at Bobby's.
Speaker A:Sunrise is quick in South Dakota.
Speaker A:It just does, apparently.
Speaker B:And they go in and there's.
Speaker B:They find the.
Speaker B:The fire poker on the ground.
Speaker B:They're searching for Bobby.
Speaker B:And there are so many cars.
Speaker B:Like, I know we, like, see this, but I'm like, is that a Bel Air?
Speaker B:Is that a Chevelle?
Speaker B:Like, yeah, babe wasn't home.
Speaker B:So I didn't go.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't do a deep dive research.
Speaker B:But, yeah, we go.
Speaker B:There's a couple.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker A:But there was like, wow, a lot of these.
Speaker A:Like, and they were not like, you just need to be restored.
Speaker A:You're fine.
Speaker A:Like, you.
Speaker A:I can make you better.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And then we determine the ghost children have Bobby hostage in a van.
Speaker B:Like, up on, like, or something.
Speaker B:Like, on, like, in a stacked one.
Speaker A:Like, it's up high.
Speaker A:Like, how is this thing up high?
Speaker B:And how did these ghost children get him trapped in this vehicle?
Speaker A:What shenanigans happen between Bobby in the house and a ball rolling down the stairs to Bobby's outfit and car?
Speaker B:Very weird shenanigans.
Speaker B:So Sam's outside searching for Bobby out there.
Speaker B:Dean's in the house.
Speaker B:And in the house, the door starts slamming, and it gets real cold.
Speaker B:So who do we get, though?
Speaker A:Yeah, we get a young lady that.
Speaker B:We've seen before, but her hair's a little different.
Speaker B:Her clothes are a little different.
Speaker A:It's not Bitch Meg.
Speaker B:That Bitch Meg.
Speaker B:Only she's still kind of being a bitch.
Speaker B:But it's not really that Bitch Meg Meg.
Speaker B:It's just Meg.
Speaker A:She's just a bitchy Meg.
Speaker A:Like, she says a very judgy, bitchy Meg.
Speaker A:Like, she.
Speaker A:She even judges like, the demon that was writing her.
Speaker A:And like, dresses are like a slut.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:She said, cut off my hair and dress me like a slut.
Speaker A:Damn Meg dress very cute.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:She was.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker A:She was not.
Speaker B:I like her short hair.
Speaker B:It was fine.
Speaker B:Yeah, she was just a boring.
Speaker B:This, like, Meg was just super basic.
Speaker B:That's the problem.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I just.
Speaker A:I can't get empathy for you.
Speaker A:And this will be the entire time of just like.
Speaker A:And she just goes through this.
Speaker A:A tragic story of like, I was awake the whole time and I'm just like, my bag of empathy for this.
Speaker A:Whatever you are.
Speaker A:Meg is just gone.
Speaker B:It's just really, really interesting.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:So Dean's apologizing, but she's still mad because she was trapped and she wasn't helped.
Speaker B:And that basically she's like, you know, you.
Speaker B:You didn't even think about the fact that I was a person that was possessed by a demon.
Speaker B:You just want to.
Speaker B:To throw me out the window.
Speaker B:You want to kill me?
Speaker B:And that was it.
Speaker B:So she starts beating the shit out of him.
Speaker B:And he's like, I didn't know.
Speaker B:And I. I don't think I'm a hero, so.
Speaker B:And she was written for months by pure evil is what she says.
Speaker A:Well, she says she's a.
Speaker A:Do you have any idea what it's like to be ridden for months by pure evil while your family has no idea what happened to you?
Speaker A:And I'm like, yeah, it kind of does.
Speaker A:Like, he was just a fucking hell, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think.
Speaker A:I think he does, man.
Speaker B:He might.
Speaker B:He might be the only one that knows anything like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, he can empathize with you if you shut the fuck up.
Speaker B:Yeah, well.
Speaker B:And then we cut back to the ghost twins verbally torturing Bobby for not saving them while Sam is searching.
Speaker B:But Sam somehow figures out that Bobby must be in one of the cars out there.
Speaker B:We're probably using his Sammy senses.
Speaker A:That's what we call them, his Sammy senses.
Speaker B:Sammy psychic senses.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So we cut back.
Speaker B:Meg's still beating the shit out of Dean and tells a really sad fucking story about her little sister who was deeply affected by her being.
Speaker B:By Meg missing.
Speaker B:And after Meg's body was found, she killed her fucking self.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the thing is, like, it is terrible, but the way she tells it, not terrible.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:She's like, really?
Speaker A:And then you know what?
Speaker A:She died.
Speaker A:Like, fuck off, man.
Speaker A:Like, no, One cares when you talk like that.
Speaker B:Her little line though, that was 50 words of Latin.
Speaker B:A little sooner and both of them would still be alive.
Speaker A:No, she would have been dead.
Speaker B:But you don't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wait.
Speaker B:I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That's hard to say.
Speaker B:Like, there's a million other things that could have happened.
Speaker A:Like, these are just.
Speaker A:They're just guilt tripping ghosts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Guilt, guilt tripping ghosts.
Speaker B:So Sam finally finds Bobby outside in the Ghost kids and they try to like, block like blast Sam back with.
Speaker A:Their wonder twins attack.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:But that gives Bobby enough time to fight back, so.
Speaker B:Which is good.
Speaker B:And so Dean's still just trying to get away from Meg in the house and able to finally get a hold of a gun and shoots the iron chandelier out of the ceiling or cantaloupe or whatever it is to fall on Meg.
Speaker A:Clever.
Speaker B:Very clever.
Speaker B:So they figure the three of them get together and they figure out that these ghosts are all the people that they didn't save.
Speaker B:And they all have this tattoo kind of brand thing on their hands.
Speaker B:So Bobby goes to the books like he do.
Speaker B:And yeah, there's noises.
Speaker B:So they need to get out of there.
Speaker B:That's basically where they're at.
Speaker B:So we go to Bobby's creepy safe room.
Speaker A:Creepy.
Speaker B:It is a like claustrophobic creepy.
Speaker B:Fuck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's amazing.
Speaker A:I was gonna say.
Speaker A:I was just like, man.
Speaker A:So he's got a ghost safe room.
Speaker A:It is solid iron.
Speaker A:It's covered in salt and like Dean.
Speaker B:Devil's Trap in the V event fan.
Speaker A:Oh, it's so good.
Speaker A:And Bobby just.
Speaker A:Dean just likes Bobby.
Speaker A:And he is like, bobby, you're awesome.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, you are, Bobby.
Speaker A:You're so fucking cool.
Speaker B:I don't think he says that he's awesome until he sees the Daryl Hannah poster on the wall.
Speaker A:He know he says that before that.
Speaker A:And I also believe that was Bo Derek.
Speaker B:Oh, what's it?
Speaker B:I thought it was the Daryl Hannah one.
Speaker A:No, it was bo Derek from 10.
Speaker B:With the braids.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:With the braids in the swimsuit.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:Hannah did one too.
Speaker B:Like, similar, but different.
Speaker B:Different, I think Shoot.
Speaker B:Similar.
Speaker B:Shoot.
Speaker A:But you're right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Either way.
Speaker B:But it's solid iron coated in salt and it gives.
Speaker B:And I'm not a super claustrophobic person, but I.
Speaker B:But that would freak me the fuck out.
Speaker B:Just saying.
Speaker A:Bunkers seem very soothing to me.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:You're protected on all sides.
Speaker A:Nobody can get into you.
Speaker A:You don't have like a hallway down that you can't see what's coming down.
Speaker A:No vortexes.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Freaky.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:So they pack a bunch of shotgun ammo assault like you do.
Speaker A:That seems soothing.
Speaker A:Like, it just seems like a very nice, like methodical thing to do.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Yes, that part does.
Speaker B:So Dean is still talking about his struggles with God.
Speaker B:About how.
Speaker B:Where is God?
Speaker B:While innocents are torn to shred.
Speaker B:Why does not torn to shreds?
Speaker B:Why doesn't God help If God is exists at all?
Speaker B:And this ties back to, you know, obviously his.
Speaker B:It ties to a lot of things I think about Dean's character.
Speaker B:And I'm not saying that faith is the answer to them, but I think that it goes to him having his own ethical dilemmas.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, these are also just basic philosophical questions.
Speaker B:Like people have them all the time.
Speaker B:People of faith have them, people of no faith have them.
Speaker B:And it's questions people ask.
Speaker B:So Bobby, while they're.
Speaker B:While they're.
Speaker B:He's pondering this.
Speaker B:Sam and Bobby have no fucking answer.
Speaker B:And Bobby finds the symbol.
Speaker B:And that was on the ghost bodies, which is weird already.
Speaker B:And it's the mark of the witness.
Speaker A:The witness to what?
Speaker B:The witness to the unnatural.
Speaker B:Because they all died.
Speaker B:Not natural deaths.
Speaker B:And so something that means that something put that on them.
Speaker B:Put the mark on them before they died or when they died and forced them to rise.
Speaker B:And when they rose, they would be in agony.
Speaker B:And it's a super powerful spel.
Speaker B:And it's tied to their soul.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the mark wasn't put on the.
Speaker A:Before they died.
Speaker A:The mark just happened.
Speaker A:So wait, because.
Speaker A:Because the spell was so powerful, it left a mark on them.
Speaker A:And so that's why they.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And it's a sign.
Speaker A:And it's from Revelations.
Speaker B:Ooh, that's not good.
Speaker A:It's the apocalypse.
Speaker A:We have an apocalypse.
Speaker A:But I think we want to talk about something.
Speaker A:Some witnesses.
Speaker A:Can I get a witness?
Speaker A:Can I get a witness?
Speaker B:You can get a witness.
Speaker B:I'll be your witness.
Speaker A:You all be my witness.
Speaker A:My witness for the Lord.
Speaker A:Witness for the Lord.
Speaker B:Witness for the Lord.
Speaker A:All right, so we're going to talk about these witnesses.
Speaker A:This is the story of Keith and Kate Hagler and the Church of Food.
Speaker A:Yes, it did say fu.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker A: ay's book that was printed in: Speaker A:Witnesses or the Lamb the True Story of Hijacking, Murder and Suicide in the Ozarks.
Speaker A:And there's other sources that you can find in our show notes and so let's begin.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was driven by Bill Carney.
Speaker A:And he had 17 passengers, including his 8 year old son, Corey.
Speaker A:Now Corey is spelled K O R E because southerners are stupid.
Speaker A:So the bus stops.
Speaker A:So the bus stops at a diner.
Speaker A:And, and so Bill, he's a bus driver, right?
Speaker A:So him and his kid, he like him and his kid, he's just.
Speaker A:Kid just rides around with him on the bus.
Speaker A:Easier than finding babysitter, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:And you see the countryside, right, with your dad.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:They go to this diner and he's getting coffee, Corey's getting milk and some pancakes.
Speaker A:And these two passengers on the bus approach them.
Speaker A:So the male is wearing a Harley Davidson motorcycle hat, a denim vest covered in badges and buttons, military style boots, fingerless leather gloves, and a single earring.
Speaker A:Because he was a rebel.
Speaker A: Because you know, in: Speaker A:I don't know what year he was in, but it meant something.
Speaker B:Yeah, that really mattered at one point in time.
Speaker A:At one point in time, I remember it mattered.
Speaker A:And nobody knew what ear was.
Speaker A:It was all stupid anyways.
Speaker A:Okay, so there he had a female companion with them and she was in a denim vest, had an eagle print T shirt.
Speaker A:So I'm assuming that's a shirt with like eagles on it, not the band eagles, I don't know, Pat jeans and men boots.
Speaker A:And so basically we have like a biker dude and then kind of his hippie biker mama, whatever.
Speaker A:So they introduce themselves, they make chit chat and they all get back on the bus.
Speaker A:And so the next stop in the bus is supposed to be this town, Harrison.
Speaker A:And the bus is just kind of moving along, do what buses do.
Speaker A:And about an hour down the road this biker all of a sudden moves the front of the bus and points a 22 pistol to Bill's head and says, we're going to take this bus, Jasper.
Speaker A:Okay, he may have sounded like that, I don't know.
Speaker A:So Jasper is like 15 miles from where they're at.
Speaker A:And then he turns again and he points it at little kid Corey, this 8 year old.
Speaker A:He was like, you need to move behind your dad.
Speaker A:So it is rude, but actually he's kind of nice about this.
Speaker A:He's just kind of getting along and he's telling the boss, you're like, hey, you know, if you guys do this coal stay quiet like everything will be fine.
Speaker A:But then all of a sudden, hippie woman Friends are yelling, pulling a bunny.
Speaker A:What's her name from Pulp Fiction?
Speaker A:Bunny?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh shit.
Speaker B:I can't remember.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker A:Any one of you moving?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So basically she, she's, she is really into this and she's got her own gun and she's yelling at people and the guy in the front's kind of like, oh crap.
Speaker A:But so she basically like herds everybody to the front and they're not explaining anybody what happened, what's happening.
Speaker A:So most people think they're just being.
Speaker B:Robbed, which is like, fine, take my shit, leave me alone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's only 17 people, including them and the driver and the kid.
Speaker A:So in about 10 minutes on there there's a woman, she's elderly, she' her late 70s and she just passes out.
Speaker A:And so there is a retired nurses aide on on board and she's giving her cpr.
Speaker A:But so this is all happening.
Speaker A:No one really understands what's going on.
Speaker A:They finally get to Jasper and the biker instructs Bill to park diagonally across Little Buffalo River Bridge.
Speaker A:And so they stop and the biker sends one of the other passengers out, is like, go call an ambulance for this lady, but don't call the cops.
Speaker A:So finally, eventually like the guy hear the ambulance coming but he can't see it.
Speaker A:So basically goes back to the bus and he like carries this 77 year old woman over to the ambulance.
Speaker A:And now the biker gives the driver a note.
Speaker A:He says, take this to the sheriff at the courthouse by the bridge.
Speaker A:So Bill takes a note and he also takes his son off the bus.
Speaker A:And the biker was like, no, no, no, leave your kid here.
Speaker A:And he was like, fuck you, I'm not leaving my kid here.
Speaker A:So he grabs his kid, he takes him off the bus.
Speaker A:Bus.
Speaker A:And he finds a deputy eating lunch with his wife at the Ozark Cafe, small town.
Speaker A:And gives him the note.
Speaker A:And so the deputy tells his wife, go call the sheriff.
Speaker A:And he's like, run into the courthouse and he radios Arkansas State Police.
Speaker A:And when he gets to the courthouse he calls a local TV news reporter named Jim Caldwell and tells him there are two hijackers on a bus.
Speaker A:And they said they want to talk to him in two hours or they're going to start shooting.
Speaker A:Shooting.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:So the sheriff has finally reached and he was apparently working on his plumbing.
Speaker A:And as he's getting to the bus the deputy gives him this note that the biker had you passed along to them.
Speaker A:And this note says, the world is to know the messiah is here.
Speaker A:Contact KY3.
Speaker A:Bad choice.
Speaker A:Contact KY3 news reporter Jim Caldwell or Jerry Adams and have them come to Jasper for coverage.
Speaker A:You will have two hours to accomplish this.
Speaker A:After two hours, we will shoot on.
Speaker A:Shoot on.
Speaker A:Oh, sorry.
Speaker A:After two hours, we will shoot a person every half hour until this demand is met.
Speaker A:If any attempts are made to come close to the bus, we have a dynamite to blow it apart.
Speaker A:We are the witnesses.
Speaker A:Spoken of in Revelation, chapter 11.
Speaker A:After we are killed this afternoon, our dead bodies are not to be tampered with, embalmed, or any other means of society's funeral rites.
Speaker A:The bodies are to be taken to the land of the Messiah, Emory Lamb, whereupon they will lie until July 7, when the spirit of life will enter them and we will stand on our feet.
Speaker A:This demand must be met or Jasper will be destroyed.
Speaker A:Once again, it is not our wish to hurt anyone.
Speaker A:Sincerely with the kindest of thoughts, Keith Fu Hagler and Kate Fu Hegler.
Speaker A:So I love that they end the ended their terrorist bomb threat with Sincerely,.
Speaker B:Kindest regards.
Speaker A:Kindest regards.
Speaker A:So first off, the first question is, who was the Messiah?
Speaker A:So the Messiah is EMORY Mayo Murphy Jr.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And so he had an eighth grade West Virginia education.
Speaker A:We'll leave that there.
Speaker A: So he moved to Jasper in: Speaker A:Alongside the store he also bought five acres of land and a couple of miles outside of town.
Speaker A:And the other builder bought like a small house on there.
Speaker A:And he lives there with his wife and his daughter Angela.
Speaker A:So when he first moved to Jasper, he opened up a store and he hung a sign on the door that said foo F O U capital letters on each.
Speaker A:He also would give customers a coin that said foo and said if they brought them back, they would get a free soda.
Speaker A:He then makes foo stickers and balloons for the kitties.
Speaker A:He also makes makes pamphlets of Bible verses and his thoughts on them.
Speaker A:And you can buy one of those for a quarter.
Speaker A:That's very nice of him.
Speaker A:And he likes to hang out at the Ozark Cafe with his biker friends.
Speaker A:And every time he enters the establishment, he blesses it.
Speaker A:That means he blesses the walls, he blesses the tables, he blesses the chairs, he blesses jukebox.
Speaker A:It's just like, God damn it, Lamb just gets your fucking seat.
Speaker A:But so, all right, so that is our Messiah.
Speaker A:But what about this biker guy?
Speaker A:Who is he?
Speaker A:Because the sheriff knows him and he knows this woman too.
Speaker A:His name is Keith.
Speaker A:He's 27 years old.
Speaker A: He was born in October: Speaker A:And he was said to be an intelligent kid with self control issues.
Speaker A:He graduated from high school at 18.
Speaker B:Wait a minute, I feel attacked.
Speaker A:Does that, does that explain somebody?
Speaker A:So he did actually graduate from high school and he joined the marriage Marine.
Speaker A:And he served for two years and he was honorably discharged.
Speaker A:And then after he came back, he was just feeling kind of aimless.
Speaker A:His father said that the Bible always held a fascination for him.
Speaker A:And he spent several years traveling around the country trying to convert people to Christianity and often talked about his frustration because nobody would listen to him.
Speaker A: s, Keith ends up in Jasper in: Speaker A:And there he meets Emory La Lamb.
Speaker A:And so Emory is basically says, would you like to buy this pamphlet for a quarter?
Speaker A:And Keith is like, well, how do I know this is worth a quarter?
Speaker A:And Lamb says, fair.
Speaker A:They're fair, right?
Speaker A:Well, I don't know if it's worth a quarter.
Speaker A:Like it's your words, it's Bible.
Speaker A:I can, I have a Bible.
Speaker A:And so Lamb says, well, you can take the pamphlet and come back and if you like, then you can pay me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Keith does.
Speaker A:Yeah, he travels around, he comes back and he's like, here's your question quarter.
Speaker A:So they start talking and they become close.
Speaker A:And Lamb explains to Keith that FU stands for the foundation of ubiquity, and that ubiquity means omnipresence, AKA goddess everywhere.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Insert religion mumbo jumbo here.
Speaker A:Lamb explains the religion to Keith and says, hey, this was founded by me.
Speaker A:I just think the father is all of us.
Speaker A:We believe in the power of positive thinking.
Speaker A:And also, by the way, not only is religion fu, I'm also Foo.
Speaker A:My name is Fu.
Speaker A:And this was revealed to me in a vision seven years ago in Virginia.
Speaker A:And he didn't know exactly what FU meant when it was revealed to him.
Speaker A:In a vision.
Speaker A:He just saw a man with a long beard, a long gray beard and something that said FU was here.
Speaker A:So we had to go through a lot of phrases going, what does FU mean?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe it means fancy, odd and unusual.
Speaker A:That sounds a good thing.
Speaker A:So he just starts using this as a marketing ploy to get people into the store and just start spray painting.
Speaker A:Like FU was here everywhere.
Speaker A:So people come in and, and ask, what's food?
Speaker A:So when he moved to Jasper, he wanted to start a spiritual fellowship, but his friends were all bikers and they didn't like the current Version of food stood for father of us, because I guess bikers don't like fathers.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But apparently they were offended by this.
Speaker A:And so he was like, you know what?
Speaker A:We're going to change this to the much easier to say foundation of ubiquity.
Speaker A:And I pretty sure they happen to explain to every person on a motorcycle what the fuck you ubiquity means.
Speaker A:So he is advertising in biker magazines, and for a $10 membership, he'll send you a bunch of pamphlets.
Speaker B:Like every, like, shitty motel near there.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The you page and a dictionary.
Speaker B:If it's around that that page is missing because they carry it around.
Speaker B:This is what it means.
Speaker B:I promise.
Speaker A:So apparently he had members all over the country.
Speaker A:So as Keith sleeps on a van on Lamb's land, they meet for Bible study, and he starts getting obsessed with the two witnesses and Revelations.
Speaker A:And he was, you know what, Emory Lamb?
Speaker A:God, dad.
Speaker A:Can I call you dad?
Speaker A:Okay, Dad's fine.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I think that you and I are the witnesses.
Speaker A:Like, you and I and.
Speaker A:And his dad, who says you should probably stop taking the Bible so literally.
Speaker A:And then he's like, okay, okay.
Speaker A:It's a little time goes on.
Speaker A:And then Keith is also, you know what, Dad?
Speaker A:I think you're the messiah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's what you are.
Speaker A:And then Lambs kind of like, doesn't say no.
Speaker A:He's just like, okay, guess I.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:So Keith decides he's going to make his own pamphlets telling of his story of converting to Fooism.
Speaker A:And he takes these pamphlets across the country.
Speaker A:He's also spray painting Foo was here on buildings along the way and got a host of those selling so exist.
Speaker A:So eventually he ends up in San Francisco, and that's where he meets Kate Clark at a roller rink.
Speaker A:Now, Kate was originally from San Francisco.
Speaker A:Her mother, Ellie, was also the former mayor of Pacifica.
Speaker A:She attended Atero Nova High School and was a member of the swim team and was almost an Olympic swim champion.
Speaker A:So she comes from good stock.
Speaker A:But something's a little off with Kate.
Speaker A:And she meets Keith, and she just thinks, you know, he's awesome.
Speaker A:And then Keith is like, you know what?
Speaker A:You're my second witness.
Speaker A:And she's like, far out, man.
Speaker A:This groovy or something.
Speaker A:So they travel back across the country.
Speaker A:Eventually they get married in a courthouse in North Carolina, make their way back to Jasper, and Lamb was like, you know, you weren't joined by my church.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:They're moving to the van.
Speaker A:They're sleeping in the van on his property.
Speaker A:And he is like, okay, so I have things for you to do.
Speaker A:You're going to build me some pyramids.
Speaker A:Pyramids.
Speaker A:And he's like, look at these rocks I made into a pyramid.
Speaker A:And they're like, sure, food.
Speaker A:That sounds great.
Speaker A:So they start making, like, pyramids of rocks.
Speaker A:And then the next day, he is like, I want you to make a circle of these pyramids.
Speaker A:And they're like, okay.
Speaker A:So they start making, like just rock pyramids everywhere.
Speaker A:And none of these are like huge or anything.
Speaker A:They're just piling rocks and in a.
Speaker B:Triangular fashion, like by knee high, like just little piles of rocks, you know, for.
Speaker A:For God, you know.
Speaker A:Eventually they buy a trailer and they move that onto.
Speaker A:Onto Fu's property.
Speaker A:They get jobs.
Speaker A:Lamb does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they consider, you know, Lamb less.
Speaker B:Time for pyramid building then.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Well, because Lamb also needs money.
Speaker A:So they start working and giving their money to.
Speaker A:To Lamb.
Speaker A:Like I said, his mother and his daughter also.
Speaker A:Also live with.
Speaker A:With Lamp.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So Lamb's like, you know what?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:I can't run the store anymore because I need to focus on Fu.
Speaker A:So I'm going to close this and hey, wife, can you go get a job?
Speaker A:So he sends his wife off to go work at the same Ozark Cafe where his daughter works.
Speaker A:And eventually Kate decides that she doesn't like working in the factory she's been at, so she goes and starts working in this cafe too.
Speaker A:So they're all working in the same cafe that.
Speaker A:That the deputy was eating at earlier.
Speaker A:It's just kind of.
Speaker A:It's a small town, you know, people have a place to hang out.
Speaker A:So Lamb is also starting to do some other fun things besides take all your money.
Speaker A:You know, just doing things like, hey, Angela.
Speaker A:Like, his daughter is like, you can't wear a swimsuit.
Speaker A:And then Kate's like, well, that's stupid.
Speaker A:Like, why can't she wear a swimsuit?
Speaker A:And then Keith is like, well, because Fu said it, so I don't think you should wear a swimsuit either.
Speaker A:So this girl, he used to be like, basically Olympic swimmer.
Speaker A:Stop swimming for these fucking dudes.
Speaker A:All right, so Kate's working at the cafe.
Speaker A:All the customers really, like, you know, she was really sweet and she was really good worker.
Speaker A:She would sometimes just disappear so they could go trap, you know, pass out pamphlets about FU ism.
Speaker A:But the owner was just like.
Speaker A:She was just so good that, like, I always just like, took her back, you know, whenever she came back.
Speaker A:So Keith is, like, also just traveling around, spreading the word of FU and trying to get newspaper interviews for a kid can.
Speaker A: Finally, the spring of: Speaker A:So he and Kate sell all their stuff and they go to la and they go to LA to go to NBC Studios to go be on Real People.
Speaker A:Do you remember Real People?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Oh, you may be a little young for this, but it was this really awesome, terrible show about real people.
Speaker A:Like, they just would have, like, kind of.
Speaker A:There's this, like, something doing on Peacock now where they have people tell stories and stuff.
Speaker A:And the woman who cared for my grandfather's house was a trucker named Redneck Granny, and she was actually one of the episodes that you find on YouTube.
Speaker A:Anyways, so it was this very popular show.
Speaker A:And Keith and.
Speaker A:And Kate go to go be on it and tell their word.
Speaker A:I mean, they didn't.
Speaker A:Were asked to be there.
Speaker A:They just showed up because they thought that, you know, that's how you get on Real People.
Speaker A:And they're like, hey, like, we want to be on the show.
Speaker A:We're real people.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, let's go check with the producers.
Speaker A:Like, you know, no.
Speaker A:So the producers declined.
Speaker B:Oh, they weren't like, y' all are so weird.
Speaker B:We definitely want you on.
Speaker B:Because I feel like that may have happened nowadays.
Speaker A:I think today they would be on the show.
Speaker A:Yeah, they definitely would have been on.
Speaker A:They would have probably gotten a reality TV show if it was today.
Speaker A:So they go back, they're still printing flower flyer.
Speaker A:Flower flyers.
Speaker A:And they eventually paid for an advertisement in the Newton County Times that was going to be published on June 8th.
Speaker A:And the advertisement said, Yep, it's here.
Speaker A:Attention 144,000.
Speaker A:Where will you be in the 4th of July?
Speaker A:The son.
Speaker A:The son of.
Speaker A:The son of man has arisen.
Speaker A:Brothers, we will ride again.
Speaker A:Jasper, Arkansas, July 3rd through 7th.
Speaker A:So, all right, so that happened.
Speaker A:So let's go back to our bus now.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So we've got people sitting on the bus.
Speaker A:The sheriffs are there.
Speaker A:Keith and Kate are on the bus.
Speaker A:Now we kind of know who these players, right?
Speaker A:So some of the.
Speaker A:Like, we should call fu, right?
Speaker A:Let.
Speaker A:Let's call the Messiah and tell them, you know, those kids are here and they.
Speaker A:They're gonna blow up a bus.
Speaker A:So someone goes to Lamb's house.
Speaker A:And he is like, yeah, it's police business.
Speaker A:So he just doesn't go, like, he doesn't even go to the bus where these people are out.
Speaker A:He was like, it's a police matter.
Speaker A:They'll take care of it.
Speaker A:And everyone's like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:And he's like, like, I can't be bothered.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So at this point, you know, so traffic is just stopped everywhere because they've blocked this bridge, right?
Speaker A:And people are all getting out because it's also July in Arkansas, so it's fucking hot as shit.
Speaker A:The bus is sweltering because it's been turned off and there's no air conditioning.
Speaker A:And so they're like, just, you know, open the window.
Speaker A:She'll be fine.
Speaker A:And all these people are, like, trying to, like, get on to get a closer look at the bus.
Speaker A:And the police are like, there are people with guns and they say they dynamite back the fuck up.
Speaker A:They end up having to arrest two people who just, like, would not back up.
Speaker B:I mean, that doesn't.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That checks out because, like, I'm not.
Speaker B:You know, like, when something bad happens nowadays, everybody whips out their cell phone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What did you do before your cell.
Speaker B:Phone got real close.
Speaker A:You got real close to the bus.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So the sheriff and the other police are trying to reason with Keith, and they're like, we have a Bible.
Speaker A:Tell me in this Bible where you're being risen.
Speaker A:And he's just like, like, doing, like, whatever, backtracking talk.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So the police and the sheriff are trying to reason with Keith, and he is just basically kind of doing that religious fanatic, like, backtrack of, like, making, like, whatever.
Speaker A:Whatever this happens.
Speaker A:Like, this means.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This means.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And they're like, can't you just shoot us?
Speaker A:Because we're going to need to.
Speaker A:And then he's like.
Speaker A:The sheriff's like, no, we can't shoot you.
Speaker A:So the news crew eventually gets there, right?
Speaker A:And they're like, okay, if I give this interview, I'll let seven go.
Speaker A:So you let seven people go and they interview him and he shares his message.
Speaker A:And basically the message is that he wish he hadn't come to this, that nobody, not even real people, would put them on there before.
Speaker A:So clearly this is all your fault because you wouldn't put us on tv.
Speaker B:Oh, the society's fault for not listening to them.
Speaker A:It's the media's fault for not listening to him.
Speaker B:Well, it's always the media's fault.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker A:We can blame that.
Speaker A:We, yeah, we're still in the media folks for a lot of stuff.
Speaker A:All right, so the news crew, you know, finally they get his method, they record and they leave.
Speaker A:And finally Keith lets the rest of the people off the bus.
Speaker A:So now there is a police barricade.
Speaker A:They're just, you know, Keith and Kate on the bus.
Speaker A:And Keith and Kate have tied their guns to their hands so they can't drop them.
Speaker A:The police say drop your weapons because they want the police to shoot them so that they can have their bodies taken to foo's land where they will alive for three days and rise up.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So this is kind of go back and forth like they can't use tear gas on them because of all the people that are crowded around it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And the state police is finally like instructed his men, he's like, look, they're going to come out and you're going to shoot them, but you're going to shoot them each in the shoulder only to wound them and make them not able to use their guns.
Speaker A:But we're not going to kill them, right.
Speaker A:And then basically things go back and forth.
Speaker A:Keith like still talks the journalists over and over again.
Speaker A:Again they have a lot of ridiculous conversations about religion.
Speaker A:One of the news people ask why Lamb isn't there and he says because he is a law abiding citizen and he is the Messiah.
Speaker A:Can you see the Messiah coming down and being involved in this?
Speaker A:Which is not a.
Speaker A:It's a fair point.
Speaker A:Like okay, yeah, I mean Messiah's got other shit to do besides being on the bus.
Speaker A:But I don't know that Lamb does.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So finally the media go again, again and Keith and Kate are going to come off the bus, right?
Speaker A:So they get off the bus and they start walking towards the police line but eventually they drop to their knees.
Speaker A:So they're basically crawling to this police line with the guns like draped to their, tied to their hands.
Speaker A:They stop and they kiss and then they get shot in their shoulders.
Speaker A:But the problem is is that Kate was shot in her left shoulder so she still had her gun here hand and she shoots Keith in the chest and then she shoots herself.
Speaker A:Keith is dead at the scene and she's taken to a hospital but she dies along the way.
Speaker A:So I mean, which I just think is like tragic overall that you know how much mental state because they didn't drink or do drugs.
Speaker A:This was just straight up belief and shit which is really kind of terrifying in itself.
Speaker A:The area around the morgue is secured so foods followers won't steal the bodies.
Speaker A:Not that he really had any followers, but nobody takes them they could take into the state medical examiner's office in Little Rock.
Speaker A:So after they are taken there, then their bodies were sent to their parents.
Speaker A:So they didn't get to go lie, get laid out on, on his land like they wanted.
Speaker A:But Keith's family did bury him the day that he was asking to be risen.
Speaker A:And Kate's mom had her body cremated on that day as well.
Speaker A:So at least they're like, we can honor their last wishes.
Speaker A:Dishes.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:Emory Lamb ended up getting a lot of interviews and a lot of phone calls following his, you know, his not doing anything.
Speaker A:He was very upset that he could not get his motorcycle hat back from the state police because the hat that Keith had been wearing was his hat.
Speaker A:And so when they collected his belongings he really wanted to get that back and they wouldn't give it to him.
Speaker B:That's a weird thing to have been upset about at that moment in time.
Speaker A:Yeah, seems, seems a little weird.
Speaker A:So of course like the seventh comes and like there's people in town and they're waiting to see like what the hell this Jasper will be destroyed messages.
Speaker A:By the way, when they looked at their bus, there was no dynamite on it ever.
Speaker A:That was, that was everything.
Speaker A:They just lied about it.
Speaker A:It's all made up.
Speaker A:And so people are waiting kind of the bridge to see what happens on that day, but nothing happens.
Speaker A:Lamb however, says that Keith and Kate did return to his house at 4:30 in the morning on July 6th 7th and they came back in our minds.
Speaker A:You can't see them, but they came back in our minds.
Speaker A:And the reason that he knew is because his wife was, was shaken awake and it wasn't him that shook her awaken.
Speaker A:That must have been was Kate and Keith.
Speaker A:They're here, they returned but you can't see them because they're.
Speaker A:Well eventually.
Speaker A:So Lamb ends up staying in Jasper, but pretty much the whole town just kind of like ices out because they really, a lot of it really liked Kate for one reason.
Speaker A:Reason a lot of them guys thought, you know, Keith was sort of harmless.
Speaker A:Also you didn't fucking calm down.
Speaker A:While like there's like you could have prevented so much of this.
Speaker A:Like you knew, right?
Speaker B:And these people are dead because they followed you and believed you and took it to an extreme and you could have been there and shut this all down and you didn't.
Speaker A:Well and you know, really a lot of people also think that it was just, you know, a con thing that You.
Speaker A:He obviously he was just like, whatever, sure, I'm the messiah.
Speaker A:Take.
Speaker A:No, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm going to close my store.
Speaker A:No, you go work and give me money.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A: ay in Jasper until He died in: Speaker A:And he would often be seen driving around town in an old gray hearse, which I do adore.
Speaker A:And then as much as like this guy is a piece of shit, he's also kind of funny.
Speaker A:So his gray hearse finally breaks down.
Speaker A:So he bought an ambulance because he thought it'd be funny to drive around with a doll in the back.
Speaker A:And then people like the sheriff had to ask him to stop because people kept calling them thinking a child had been kidnapped.
Speaker A:Kidnapped.
Speaker A:And the back of the ambulance.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And there are remains of the quote unquote church on the Fu land.
Speaker A:And there's.
Speaker A:I found a picture on Flickr of like where you can see Kate writing like where she wrote into a hand that Kate Fu was here.
Speaker A:And sort of kind of sad and sweet, but yeah.
Speaker A:And so that's.
Speaker A:That was the story of the witnesses.
Speaker A:Interesting enough.
Speaker A:Like, you know some of the things too that have come out of this.
Speaker A:This was.
Speaker A:This is kind of like the beginning really of media putting super violent shit on television and replaying it over and over again for ratings.
Speaker A:Even when it like may not was like that needed to be put on.
Speaker B:This precedes our 24 hour news cycle which is really what really highlighted a lot of that.
Speaker B:This is, you know, in the early days of us.
Speaker B:Of us really broadcasting things like that for.
Speaker B:Sure, sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So a lot of I guess kind of like the gore media, you know and just basically trying to get things for ratings.
Speaker A:So sad and tragic story, but also.
Speaker B:Foo foo oh foo oh fu oh.
Speaker A:Fu bunny foo foo.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna go back.
Speaker A:They have now determined that is the population apocalypse.
Speaker A:And Dean has plans and he wants for his apocalypse.
Speaker B:Well, he's like four.
Speaker B:I liked his quote right before that.
Speaker B:He's like four horsemen, pestilence, five dollar gallon gas.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:You didn't even know there wouldn't be toilet paper that didn't even I know it to your list.
Speaker B:God damn missed out.
Speaker B:So Sam asked what do we do?
Speaker B:And you're right.
Speaker B:Dean does have his trip planned.
Speaker B:He said road trip.
Speaker B:Grand Canyon, Star Trek experience.
Speaker B:Bunny ran ranch.
Speaker B:I would like to do all.
Speaker B:Well, I don't care about the buttercream, I'll pass them in.
Speaker B:But Grand Canyon, Star Trek experience.
Speaker A:I mean I would go to a ranch of bunnies.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Same like little Fluffy.
Speaker B:I'm not, like, opposed to making a trek to Nevada.
Speaker B:I just don't necessarily need to go to the Bunny Ranch.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:So Bobby's like, yeah, but first we gotta survive these fucking ghosts, so.
Speaker B:But I found a spell, so let's do it.
Speaker B:But we have to get out of this room to do it.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:Because we have to go do it over the fire in the.
Speaker B:I can't do it in my safe room because that would be too easy.
Speaker A:Yeah, that would have been nice.
Speaker A:I'm also like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Why don't you put these things in your safe room?
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:I guess eventually that gets crowded and you need.
Speaker A:Sometimes you need things that they can't.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And I'm sure the ventilation is probably not great for an open fire, which apparently they also need in his iron room.
Speaker A:That is fair.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And, you know, think about how often you refresh your bunker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not often enough, but.
Speaker B:So they decide they need to.
Speaker B:They get all armed and they start heading back upstairs.
Speaker B:And who do we get?
Speaker B:It's Ronald.
Speaker A:And I think about it, Ronald is the ultimate witness because he was, like, witnessing supernatural stuff, like, before he even died.
Speaker A:And nobody believed him.
Speaker A:Like, he was a witness.
Speaker B:He was the witness, man.
Speaker B:So if y' all don't remember, he's from our bank heist episode.
Speaker B:Episode.
Speaker B:And so Bobby has to blast him, obviously.
Speaker A:Why does Poppy have to blast him?
Speaker B:Because Dean's sad because he thought they were friends and it was.
Speaker B:And he's sad that Ronald died.
Speaker B:And he does feel guilty about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But Bobby says, if you're gonna shoot, shoot, don't talk.
Speaker A:And I really think that belongs in a T shirt I would sell in Texas.
Speaker B:Shoot, don't talk.
Speaker B:I mean, I feel like that's just a rule anyways, though.
Speaker B:Like, if you're gonna.
Speaker B:It's like, if you're gonna put fucking gun.
Speaker B:You better be shooting, though.
Speaker B:I don't pull your shit.
Speaker B:That's kind of like how it goes, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, so they've got.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:Bobby sends Sam to go get a hex box upstairs.
Speaker B:And Dean's trying to kind of protect Bobby while he sets up for the spell.
Speaker B:But then he sends Dean to go get more ingredients.
Speaker B:The twins show up and are telling Bobby how he could have saved them.
Speaker B:Sam gets a hex box and he gets attacked by Matt.
Speaker B:Meg.
Speaker B:And she tells Sam.
Speaker B:This is where it gets fucked up to me.
Speaker B:I think this comes.
Speaker B:She opens up a whole ethical dilemma here, I think.
Speaker B:Did you, not me.
Speaker A:No, mine said, here's Meg again.
Speaker A:Do these witnesses just whiny to death.
Speaker B:Well, I thought she brought up a really.
Speaker B:So of course she's like, I want you to see.
Speaker B:You know, you.
Speaker B:You need to seem that I'm suffering and.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:She calls him out on banging Ruby.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, she doesn't necessarily banging her.
Speaker A:He's like what he's doing with Ruby because we still don't know that he's putting his penis inside of her.
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker B:It's implied that he might want to or has possibly.
Speaker A:Anyways, we don't know.
Speaker B:So I think that she like what.
Speaker A:He's doing with Ruby.
Speaker A:Not the sex wise.
Speaker A:That what he's in terms of.
Speaker B:I took it as an ethical like sexual dilemma.
Speaker B:I took it as.
Speaker B:So Sam.
Speaker B:So Ruby is using human.
Speaker B:Human bodies as her meat suits or vessels or whatever you want to call them for her demonic possession.
Speaker B:Because Ruby's a demon.
Speaker B:We know this.
Speaker B:And she had one for a long time and now she's got a new one and they're all hanging out and Sam gives her a pass basically while she's burning through bodies.
Speaker B:I also thought there was an implication that Sam and Ruby were hooking up, which would be a whole other ethical dilemma because.
Speaker B:Because that body can't consent.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right, so we get that.
Speaker A:And now we're gonna get Dean closed off in the kitchen.
Speaker A:And Henrietta with Henriksen.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:And Henriksen admits that we left you.
Speaker B:We were wrong and it was fucked up.
Speaker B:And so Henriksen explains to Dean what happened after they left, that Lilith didn't just white blast them away like it was implied.
Speaker B:She took a good 45 minutes to kill them.
Speaker B:Where she filleted off Nancy's skin.
Speaker B:Which is very sad.
Speaker A:Interesting too, right?
Speaker B:Because in the show we just see this big white flash and it's like, oh, it's done.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:They all were vaporized.
Speaker B:Done.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, they patted this one.
Speaker A:This probably was not in that original lore.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, this would be really good.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker B:But then he reaches into his chest and grabs Dean's heart.
Speaker A:Chest punch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he also wants to know why Dean was safe from El, which I don't think is interesting.
Speaker B:I think it's interesting that he knows about this now.
Speaker B:I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know why he wouldn't.
Speaker A:But everybody knows.
Speaker A:As we've learned, everybody knows, so.
Speaker B:And Sam shows up just in time and blasts Henriksen away.
Speaker B:But we get Bobby doing his spell and the brothers are there again, and Ronald shows up back up and talking shit to Dean, of course.
Speaker B:So we end up basically with Sam and Dean covering Bobby.
Speaker B:Bobby's doing the spell, and they're just fucking blasting until I'm like, so much ammo.
Speaker B:Like, this is a somewhat, like, distracting thing going on with Bobby chanting.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean consistently blasting all these fucking ghosts.
Speaker B:And then the amount of ammo they're going through is fucking absurd.
Speaker B:And then they use a desk to pin Sam so Sam can't fucking move.
Speaker B:And they've got.
Speaker B:Dean's down to the fucking iron poker from the fire.
Speaker B:It's just all bad in the scene.
Speaker B:And then Meg tries to grab Bobby's heart.
Speaker B:This is where it goes very bad.
Speaker B:So Dean has to grab the bowl of spell mixture that Bobby's been working on and throw it into the fire to make them all disappear.
Speaker A:And everyone is saved.
Speaker A:And there's salt everywhere.
Speaker B:This is very messy.
Speaker B:I mean, this is not like, at one of the abandoned shitty houses that they, like, pop through or a motel.
Speaker B:Bobby lives here.
Speaker B:This place is a fucking mess.
Speaker B:Bobby hiring a maid.
Speaker B:I mean, he might need to or probably should, but, man, this is going.
Speaker A:To suck to clean up.
Speaker B:They're never going to get all that dust up, I feel like.
Speaker B:Or that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That salt up.
Speaker B:I feel like salt, like, that is probably like glitter where you, like, never get all of it.
Speaker A:You're just fighting, fighting salt for, like, decades.
Speaker A:Well, I'm just like, can you reuse that salt?
Speaker A:Like, is it, like, once it gets shot through a ghost, is it done?
Speaker B:Sweep it into a line and, like, make a line with it or put it, like, in a.
Speaker B:Like to, like, block a doorway.
Speaker A:Rails and rails of salt.
Speaker A:No, I'm thinking, like, a line for a doorway or what.
Speaker A:Lines of salt.
Speaker B:I was like, that sounds terrible.
Speaker B:Lord.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So there is.
Speaker A:Everyone is now asleep in this place that has covered.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then we.
Speaker B:Sam's on the sofa, Dean's on the floor.
Speaker B:The windy noise.
Speaker B:And who is.
Speaker B:Is Cassio standing in the kitchen?
Speaker B:So Dean wakes up and Cassiel is, like, complimenting him about the.
Speaker B:Their job with the witnesses.
Speaker B:And he's like, what?
Speaker B:He's like.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, I thought y' all were more like guardians.
Speaker B:Like, angels are more like guardians.
Speaker B:Guardians, not dicks.
Speaker A:And what have we learned now?
Speaker A:Angels are dicks.
Speaker A:Such an important message of this show.
Speaker A:But also, Cass has a valid point.
Speaker A:He's like, hi, read the Bible.
Speaker A:Angels are soldiers.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, it is a point.
Speaker B:Like, it's not angels.
Speaker B:Aren't they like.
Speaker A:Oh let me.
Speaker B:They're not fairy godmothers.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're soldiers that.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:It would probably be an interest maybe one day we'll go into where that change from angels being.
Speaker A:You know know I am Michael.
Speaker A:I have a giant sword too.
Speaker A:I'm a fluffy little cherub angel and I'm going to pray to you to help me.
Speaker A:And there's so many ways and get.
Speaker A:Angels are so weird in culture.
Speaker B:I guess so now so this, this opens up like.
Speaker B:And Castells.
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker B:Like I've had other concerns as well.
Speaker B:And then Dean's like yeah but where's God?
Speaker B:Like I'm.
Speaker B:You know, I'm not convinced that he knew he exists if he's not helping people.
Speaker B:And then the line said the Lord works.
Speaker B:And Dean respond if you say in mysterious ways, I will kick your ass.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Castiel confirms that it is a sign of the apocalypse that there are 66 seals.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:The witnesses were one of the seals.
Speaker B:It was being broken by lilith.
Speaker B:There are 20 other hunters dead.
Speaker B:And that the seals are like locks on a door.
Speaker B:Even if you beat what happens, the seal is still broken.
Speaker B:Broken.
Speaker A:So before we get to the the end of what happens since the last one's open, I do also want to point out the other line that I thought was hysterical which is the rising of the witnesses is one of the 66 seals.
Speaker A:And Dean says I'm guessing that's not a show at Sea World.
Speaker A:And then I just started picturing 66 seals.
Speaker A:Like just making little seal noises.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the last seal after it's Lucifer walks free.
Speaker A:Seal.
Speaker A:He's the devil.
Speaker A:The devil is a seal.
Speaker A:Oh my God, it is so fat.
Speaker B:Chubby little devil seal.
Speaker A:Oh, it's so cute.
Speaker A:Little devil seal.
Speaker A:All right, fine.
Speaker A:So yeah.
Speaker A:Lucifer.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've got.
Speaker B:Castiel's like look, yeah we.
Speaker B:We lost on this one because the seal still got broken.
Speaker B:But there are other seals.
Speaker B: hen this is the first time in: Speaker B:So it's kind of a big fucking deal is what he's saying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So story wise, what we're giving though is like he's not the only angel.
Speaker A:There are other angels that are down on earth now.
Speaker A:So I think that's kind of a big deal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like yeah.
Speaker B:Six of my brothers died this week and we look at the big picture.
Speaker B:And demands.
Speaker B:Demands Dean's respect because he dragged him out of hell and he can throw him back down.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:And then Dean has a face that says, damn.
Speaker A:And then Cass just goes.
Speaker B:Goes.
Speaker B:And Dean wakes up on the floor.
Speaker A:So was it a dream?
Speaker A:Was it a real?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:We know it was fucking real.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:Anyway, Sam asks what's wrong when they wake up, and basically they come out.
Speaker B:He's like, okay.
Speaker B:Sam doesn't really have trouble believing in God and angels.
Speaker B:And so Dean replies.
Speaker B:So I guess that means you believe in the devil.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker B:It's a good ending.
Speaker B:I enjoyed the ethical dilemma.
Speaker B:I know this is like.
Speaker B:This is kind of like my.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's the.
Speaker B:I did Strongly disliked in this episode, the guilt trip.
Speaker B:That was a personification of their own guilt about the weight that they carry.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:I mean, I get.
Speaker B:For a story, you know, driving the story.
Speaker B:Story long.
Speaker B:I just found it upsetting because I'm a fucking wuss.
Speaker B:But I like the.
Speaker B:Because that's really what it was.
Speaker B:It was personification if they're.
Speaker B:All of them questioning what they've done, if they've done enough or whatever.
Speaker B:And then I do enjoy the ethical and, like, the philosophical dilemma and.
Speaker B:And faith dilemma that Dean is having with all of this.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I hate whiny bitches.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:I do like seals, though, so I know.
Speaker B:Especially when they're chubby little baby devil seals.
Speaker A:Chubby little baby devil seals.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I had to draw that this week.
Speaker A:Okay, we'll make that happen.
Speaker B:All right, well, do you have any other thoughts on this episode other than hating whiny bitches?
Speaker A:Just one of the things I think that came out of the companion book this time was them talking about.
Speaker A:About.
Speaker A:Because they had to make a conscious choice about who was going to come back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So one of the people they really wanted to bring back was Jessica, which would have been fantastic.
Speaker A:Dealing with Sam's that.
Speaker A:Because that's huge amount of guilt.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But the actress was unavailable, so that is why she was not brought back.
Speaker A:One of the other ones they thought about bringing back was Gordon.
Speaker A:And they said, you know, they basically thought they'd put Gordon through enough.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I think you also put us through enough.
Speaker A:And I'm very glad you did not.
Speaker B:Bring Gordon back and.
Speaker A:Because at least Henriksen won us over to him at the end.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So then you can still have.
Speaker A:I think it's important that you have sympathy for these.
Speaker A:Like, for.
Speaker A:Even though you brought.
Speaker A:You had evil ghost children.
Speaker A:Who's gonna have fucking sympathy for them?
Speaker A:But, you know, it's.
Speaker B:But, like, what you were saying, I think having some level of sympathy for these characters that you like.
Speaker B:And the cool thing about, like, Gordon was way too complex.
Speaker B:I think that that's good they didn't bring him back, even though I know you thought these were all whiny bitches.
Speaker B:And I'm not saying that Henriksen wasn't complex.
Speaker B:He wasn't.
Speaker B:I mean, it was.
Speaker B:He believed this because this is what a rational human believes, and that's what his job was.
Speaker B:And then he changed when he was proven otherwise and you came around and then you learned to like him because he was on their side, and then he died in a sad, unnecessary situation.
Speaker B:Then you've got, you know, basically, I think they.
Speaker B:I think I like the characters they picked.
Speaker A:Yeah, I. I think for the most part, they were pretty good choices, except.
Speaker B:That the little twin.
Speaker B:Evil twin girls, like, that you don't, like, know from anywhere.
Speaker A:Nobody likes evil 10 girls.
Speaker B:So, I mean, now that we know a lot of Bobby's, like, past.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it makes sense, but still.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, I think we're gonna end on that note, everyone.
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