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16th Jan 2025

10:03 Soul Survivor

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Rich in emotional depth and character analysis, this episode of Devil's Trap podcast takes listeners on a journey through the gripping events of Supernatural's 'Soul Survivor.' Diana and Liz dissect the complexities of the Winchesters’ relationship, revealing how their tumultuous history shapes their present actions. The conversation flows seamlessly from humorous anecdotes about the absurdity of Dean's situation — including the infamous cherry pie left to rot in his room — to the serious implications of Sam's moral quandaries as he attempts to save his brother. The hosts highlight the role of supporting characters and their contributions to the main storyline, particularly the introduction of Rowena and her future impact on the narrative. They also discuss the transitional phase of the show, where light-hearted moments juxtapose against darker themes of loss and identity. This thoughtful examination not only illuminates the episode’s plot but also encourages a broader reflection on the human condition, making this podcast a must-listen for fans eager to explore the emotional stakes of Supernatural.

We talk about Season 10, Episode 3 Soul Survivor. At the end, we play Tweet Libs with cast's live tweets from the show's air date. Let the algo take that one.

References:

https://donnagaff.wordpress.com/2014/10/22/supernatural-soul-survivor-live-tweeting/

Transcript
Diana:

On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

Diana:

How long has that pie been in Dean's room?

Liz:

And how many grunts does it take to get to the center of a Dean Mon?

Liz:

Let's do this.

Diana:

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

Diana:

I'm Diana.

Liz:

I'm Liz.

Diana:

We're Gonna Talk Season 10, Episode 3 Soul Survivor.

Liz:

Soul Survivor.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

So before we do that, what have you been up to, Liz?

Diana:

What do you got going on?

Liz:

So it's that blah part of January where just.

Liz:

I feel like nothing is happening, and I know things are going to be coming up, so.

Liz:

But it's also.

Liz:

The weather's not great, and so you don't really want to go out and do things.

Liz:

Like, there's like.

Liz:

I don't really want to do the outdoor project stuff that I have to work on because it's not pretty outside.

Liz:

Correct.

Liz:

So what I have done is bought a box of the Little Debbie Valentine's Day cakes that aren't really, like, food and just have been going through those at an amazingly fast rate and just there's a chemical in them that once you start eating them, they just.

Liz:

It just seems, like, smart to keep eating them.

Diana:

I mean, sure.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And you'll just, like, be like, in the other room.

Liz:

Like, all of a sudden, you'll just get this craving.

Liz:

You're like, what the am I craving?

Liz:

And you want me like, oh, it's Little Debbie's that is calling me again.

Diana:

That is calling me again.

Diana:

No.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So that's my.

Liz:

What I've mainly been up to.

Liz:

I mean, it was.

Liz:

Honestly, there hasn't just.

Diana:

No, it is that weird time of January.

Diana:

Like, even, like, when I've been like, oh, I should go to this thing, and then I don't go to the thing because.

Liz:

Yeah, I did a comedy show last week, and it was like 30 degrees.

Liz:

It was, like, not freezing.

Liz:

It was like 36 degrees and raining.

Diana:

Gross.

Liz:

And that's just not.

Liz:

I don't want to go get into my car and then drive through that crap and then maybe like, skid off a highway or.

Liz:

Or something for some stand up.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

We had two pseudo snow days.

Diana:

So parts of Dallas Fort Worth area had a lot of snow.

Diana:

The part I'm in got zero.

Diana:

I mean, we had snow falling from the sky, but it didn't do anything on the ground.

Diana:

So.

Diana:

Um.

Diana:

But I got to go to tea at the Adolphus, and we did.

Diana:

We've been to the Adolphus before.

Diana:

It's lovely.

Liz:

Still haven't seen a ghost.

Diana:

I know.

Diana:

I was telling my sister that there's.

Diana:

It's haunted.

Diana:

And she's like, cool, where's the tea?

Diana:

I'm like, I know.

Diana:

So did you.

Liz:

Did you have fancy hats on?

Diana:

We did not have fancy hats.

Liz:

I don't think you did tea then.

Diana:

I know.

Liz:

I feel like it's kind of a requirement.

Liz:

Like you have to at least put a paper hat on or something.

Diana:

I don't know if they would have allowed paper hats.

Diana:

But we dressed cute and we went and had tea and champagne and little finger sandwiches.

Diana:

And it was lovely.

Diana:

And it was.

Liz:

But it was lovely.

Diana:

I know.

Diana:

Don't you love a finger?

Diana:

Like a little.

Diana:

Like a bunch of little bites?

Diana:

It was just a bunch of little bites.

Liz:

Little, little bites.

Liz:

That's all.

Diana:

That's perfect and lovely inside of that.

Liz:

She's not really happy what's in the little bite.

Liz:

But you're still gonna eat it anyways.

Diana:

Because it's a little bite.

Diana:

You don't care.

Liz:

Yeah.

Diana:

I don't know.

Diana:

I was happy with it.

Diana:

It was a fun experience.

Diana:

They still had their.

Diana:

Their holiday decorations up, and it's like a big thing.

Diana:

So it was fun.

Diana:

And then.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

I mean, I don't know.

Diana:

I.

Diana:

I went to Houston and back real fast.

Diana:

I Learned that Buc EE's makes cotton candy flavored mints in a tin, like altoids.

Diana:

And you think they're disgusting at first, and then you can't stop eating them.

Liz:

How would you buy that?

Diana:

Why?

Diana:

Because I love cotton candy flavored stuff, and I was on a road trip, so I was like, I'll buy these mints.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

There's just not a flavor that I pick out of, like, wanting.

Liz:

That sounds like.

Liz:

That sounds horrible.

Diana:

Oh, I love cotton candy flavored.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

I also love peeps.

Diana:

I mean, like, this is facts.

Liz:

That's true.

Liz:

You.

Liz:

You like an absurdly marshmallow and processed sugar flavor.

Diana:

Marshmallow and cotton candy flavored.

Diana:

I'm in.

Diana:

So anyways, I've been eating those excessively and fighting a cold.

Liz:

Yay.

Diana:

Because that's what you do this time of year.

Liz:

That's what we do this time of year.

Liz:

So we get sick and then we pretend that we're not, and then.

Liz:

And then we just go on.

Liz:

And then eventually, like, you just.

Liz:

You stop pretending and you're just not sick anymore.

Liz:

And it just all kind of blends together.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Because then everybody's snotty, so no one notices.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So then you get the.

Diana:

Everybody gets not snotty, and it's Fine.

Diana:

It's good.

Liz:

It's fine.

Liz:

It just kind of mellows out until spring comes and we all get snotty again.

Diana:

Well.

Diana:

And then it's all allergies.

Liz:

Yeah.

Diana:

But.

Liz:

Yeah.

Diana:

So I don't know.

Diana:

That's.

Diana:

That's.

Diana:

That's my world.

Liz:

So.

Liz:

Still not a ton going on in the SPN land.

Liz:

Except that Jared Padalecki is in talk for another series in which he will play a doctor this time and a rural.

Liz:

I just realized I had to say that word, rural doctor.

Liz:

And so that one, I think it's a CBS project.

Liz:

So that may be happening for him.

Liz:

So kind of they're like.

Liz:

Yeah, it's like Walker, but instead of a ranger, he's a doctor.

Liz:

So that, you know, and the spit.

Liz:

They said that doesn't mean like the, you know, the spin off and the firefighter thing.

Liz:

That's still me May happen.

Liz:

But it.

Diana:

Interesting.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And nothing.

Liz:

Yeah, that's.

Liz:

That's the main update that I've seen so far.

Liz:

I don't think you've.

Liz:

You haven't seen anything else, have you?

Diana:

I have not.

Diana:

I have not.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

I.

Diana:

I'm just excited about to talk about something in this episode.

Liz:

Okay.

Liz:

Well, there's many things to talk about this episode.

Diana:

I know.

Liz:

Which I forgot to read in the wiki, what Soul Survivor was based on.

Liz:

I think there is an album or something.

Liz:

I don't know.

Liz:

,:

Liz:

This was Mr.

Liz:

Ackles fourth episode to direct of Supernatural and was written by the bang up team of Buckner and Ross Lemming.

Liz:

So we started off with a priest who is doing a blessing.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And at first I'm super confused about what's happening because Sam's standing in the background dressed as a doctor and we realize that the priest is blessing a fuckton of blood in the blood product storage room at a hospital.

Liz:

Is this a normal priestly duty?

Liz:

Is this just something that happens at the hospital all the time that we just never noticed?

Diana:

I don't think so.

Diana:

I think that Sam hired this priest to come bless this blood.

Liz:

And he.

Diana:

And I'm sure the priest was just like, sure dude, like no questions.

Liz:

That sounds fine.

Liz:

This seems normal.

Diana:

And he.

Diana:

So Sam the priest leaves.

Diana:

Sam loads up a cooler full of blood and drives back to the bunker and goes to his file cabinet dungeon.

Liz:

Where he goes back to the bunker and he parks baby outside.

Liz:

And we have shown on this show there's a garage full of many, many cool things.

Liz:

And you have a tunnel that you can drive into.

Liz:

And then you just, like, walk into your.

Liz:

Why are you.

Liz:

And it's supposed to be, like, a layer.

Liz:

And you're just like, I'm gonna park this very obvious car outside on the.

Diana:

Side of a road.

Diana:

Yeah.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

Anyway, so the F.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So we go from that to the file cabinet dungeon.

Diana:

Right.

Diana:

And Dean is tied to a chair inside the Devil's Trap in this space where Crowley woods was tied up because Sam got the blood blessed so he can do the cure on Dean.

Liz:

And he does say that he got Dean's blood type, which is we, I think we learn in this episode, is type O.

Liz:

But.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So Dean's blood type is typo.

Liz:

I'm sure I'll quiz you about that at some point in the future.

Liz:

So just put that in your head.

Diana:

Okay.

Liz:

You're like, I'm sick.

Liz:

I'm never gonna remember that.

Liz:

She's gonna ask about how three months from now.

Diana:

And Dean's like, well, I don't want to be cured.

Diana:

Why are you doing this?

Diana:

And he's just trying to goad Sam.

Diana:

I get to use that word a lot in this because people are just with each other.

Diana:

So Sam just throws a bunch of holly or holy water in his face and starts doing an incantation.

Diana:

It's kind of funny.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

And then Dean just starts doing some weird grunts.

Liz:

Kind of what I would imagine.

Diana:

Growling.

Liz:

Do, like, an exercise video.

Diana:

He's growling.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

But he's also talking.

Diana:

But he's also saying, like.

Diana:

So, growl.

Diana:

Growl.

Diana:

Grumbling.

Liz:

Anyways, so, yeah, let me cut to the pimp mobile.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Cass and Hannah are still driving, and she's calling out that Castiel is not fine.

Diana:

He can keep saying he's fine, but he's not.

Diana:

And he's like, yeah.

Diana:

That's the thing humans do.

Diana:

They say they're fine.

Diana:

Even then they don't.

Liz:

Because nobody really wants to know what your problems are.

Liz:

We just don't.

Liz:

So if I ask you how you're doing, and at least I really hate it because you asked me how, I'm like, God damn it.

Liz:

Now I have to lie.

Liz:

I'm fine.

Diana:

Everything's fine.

Liz:

Everything's fine.

Liz:

Stop asking.

Diana:

And.

Diana:

And he's like, yeah.

Diana:

So he's trying to explain that it's a human thing to just say you're fine.

Diana:

And she's like, I don't know about this.

Diana:

Still not convinced.

Diana:

Because you look like shit.

Liz:

You look awful.

Liz:

And maybe you know, you shouldn't be doing this.

Liz:

And he's like, you don't understand.

Liz:

Like, this is bad.

Liz:

Sam can't be curing Dean alone.

Liz:

And especially doesn't work.

Liz:

And then he's just left with this demon.

Liz:

And then what do we do?

Diana:

And he's gonna have to kill him.

Diana:

And that's bad?

Diana:

Yeah, he's gonna have to kill demon Dean.

Liz:

And Hannah's just worried.

Liz:

She's just sad.

Liz:

And then Cass's sad eyes.

Liz:

And everyone just has worried eyes.

Diana:

A lot of worried eyes.

Diana:

Lot of worried and sad eyes in this episode.

Liz:

Yes.

Diana:

Cut back to Sam in his sad, worried eyes.

Diana:

And he is injecting Dean again.

Diana:

And Dean keeps growling.

Diana:

And he seems fairly uncomfortable.

Diana:

He's like, you could be killing me.

Diana:

And he's like.

Diana:

Sam's kind of like, yeah, sure, probably.

Diana:

I don't know.

Diana:

But he's like, also, there's no.

Diana:

Because they don't know because it's the mark of Cain and how he became a demon if the cure is going to work.

Diana:

And Sam's like, well, there's no exceptions in the lore, so this should work.

Diana:

And Dean just starts talking about lore.

Liz:

I know.

Liz:

He talks about lore.

Liz:

And then he talks about the metal letters being a bunch of crap.

Liz:

It's just.

Liz:

It's still too much, Mr.

Liz:

Dean.

Liz:

It is too much.

Liz:

But Sam will not take this bait.

Liz:

And he will not argue with him.

Diana:

He's not doing it.

Diana:

Which is because.

Diana:

Because it's not the real Dean.

Diana:

So he's not worth his energy.

Diana:

Good job, Sam.

Diana:

But Dean's like, no, it is the real me now.

Diana:

And how about starts going off about how the Winchesters are just do gooders fighting against the natural order, but guys like demon Dean are the natural order.

Liz:

But in superior.

Liz:

And then he starts with the argument of the truth, which is that Sam is probably just as bad as he is.

Liz:

And sometimes we've seen Sam do some very morally questionable things.

Liz:

And.

Liz:

And we learned that Sam did some up.

Liz:

And we get it all laid out right here, and we're just like, oh, yeah.

Diana:

We get a flashback to a bar where our friend Lester was drunkenly bitching about his wife cheating on him.

Diana:

Also, we all also know that Lester is a jerk, but that's neither here nor there.

Liz:

But still, we thought before not just.

Diana:

Doesn'T justify any of that.

Liz:

Yeah, before he did the deal, he was a drunk man crying in a bar about how his wife Mindy was cheating on him.

Liz:

Was cheating on him.

Diana:

Yep.

Diana:

And Sam manipulated him by telling him that he can have the payback that he wants.

Diana:

We just gotta summon a demon and goes and shows him how to.

Diana:

And summons a demon for him.

Diana:

He didn't even show him how.

Diana:

He does it for him.

Diana:

And hides in the trees while the crossroads demon appears to Lester.

Liz:

Well, Lester still has to say the words.

Liz:

And then Sam just becomes Hermione in the bushes.

Liz:

And Lester's like, volunt.

Liz:

And Sam's like, no, it's voluntai.

Diana:

It was very Sam.

Diana:

It was very Hermione.

Diana:

Sam for sure.

Diana:

For sure.

Diana:

Anyway, so.

Diana:

Yeah, and.

Diana:

And then.

Diana:

But Sam has this whole plan of how he's going to grab this demon, but Lester's real fast and like, kill my wife.

Diana:

Thanks.

Diana:

Bye.

Diana:

Kiss.

Diana:

You're like, luckily, just super fast.

Liz:

He just makes the deal super fast.

Diana:

Luckily, apparently Sam was able to nag.

Diana:

Snag.

Diana:

Snag.

Diana:

I can't even talk.

Diana:

Snag the demon.

Diana:

But anyways, so.

Liz:

Well, yeah, so he, like, ends up.

Liz:

He gets her and he hangs her up and she's just like, none of us know where Crowley and your bro are.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

So Dean is like, look, you basically killed Lester because I killed Lester.

Diana:

And by the way, his wife is married to that guy now, so.

Liz:

Mindy.

Liz:

I'm glad.

Liz:

I think Mindy may have found true love with her tattoo man.

Diana:

Also, though, this wasn't very long.

Diana:

Like, how long was this?

Diana:

Like, 30 days.

Liz:

I mean, Mindy has a plan.

Liz:

She has things to do.

Diana:

The tattooed guy from her bowling league.

Diana:

According to Lester.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

They look good together.

Liz:

So Dean is basically making the argument that Sam is worse than Dean because he not only calls Lester his life, he also cost Lester his soul.

Diana:

Right.

Liz:

And that's if you're talking.

Liz:

We're kind of get that Osiris scale that we had at one point of things that are.

Liz:

Sam's scale is tipping pretty hard to the black eye category here.

Diana:

Not good.

Diana:

Not good.

Diana:

And then so Sam.

Diana:

Sam, though, tries not to react and does another round of injections as Dean asks him if Sam has the stomach for what he has to do if this doesn't work.

Diana:

Meaning kill Dean.

Liz:

No.

Diana:

So, well, we cut to Crowley's throne.

Diana:

His little, like, space is weird.

Liz:

Is this like.

Diana:

I don't know, we've seen him in.

Liz:

Like, a cool house, this rival thing in hell, but it really just kind of looks like the inch.

Liz:

Like a side hallway that they thrown in.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

In a weird basement.

Diana:

I don't know.

Liz:

It's.

Diana:

It's.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

It's not the most luxurious of throne rooms.

Diana:

That's weird.

Diana:

So.

Diana:

And he's got people getting dragged in.

Diana:

He's getting accused of high treason for people that helped Abaddon, it seems like.

Diana:

Yeah.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

And so he tries one who gets taken away without any evidence, who just, like, guilty of high treason.

Liz:

And a hot demon in a flight jacket takes her away.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And this.

Diana:

A white haired, bearded, older demon approaches.

Diana:

And they don't really say his name here, but I think it's Guthrie.

Diana:

And he's like, hey, everybody's people are getting really tired of waiting.

Diana:

This is taking a very long time.

Diana:

And Crowley's like, that's what you do in hell.

Diana:

You wait.

Diana:

It's fine.

Diana:

Get over it.

Diana:

But he also has an update on Castiel and says his grace is fading.

Diana:

It's a good time to kill him.

Diana:

And Crowley's like, interesting.

Diana:

Follow him and keep me informed.

Liz:

Well, I sit here and fantasize about my time with Dean.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Because then he goes.

Diana:

He zones out to reminisce in his time with Dean.

Diana:

It's really awkward.

Diana:

So he's just watching him.

Diana:

And then we get a new demon that's gonna approach and he thinks he's super cool because he's gonna explain how he's gonna call Crowley out by saying, like, I'm your supporter, but also, that was real up that you went on the sabbatical.

Diana:

But it's okay.

Diana:

I'll be your new bestie.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

He wants to be his wingman.

Liz:

He loves to party.

Diana:

I love to party.

Liz:

He too.

Liz:

He.

Liz:

He loves to party.

Liz:

He loves the ladies.

Liz:

He loves the classic rock and roll.

Liz:

And, you know, bonus, he won't be a personal embarrassment.

Diana:

So I think that was the line that Crowley could not handle, implying that he was embarrassed by Dean in any way.

Diana:

And he snaps his fingers and this dude, like, smoke disappears.

Liz:

He poofs away.

Liz:

And nobody else has any comments after that?

Diana:

Nope.

Diana:

So Cassiel and Hannah are lost and trying to use a paper map on the hood of the car.

Liz:

Why they don't have GPS, I do not understand at this point.

Liz:

It was:

Liz:

You could probably get it on your phone at the very least.

Liz:

You definitely have MapQuest and probably a Tom Tom or a Garmin or something in your car.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And she's bitching about her body, but also could talk about the car.

Diana:

Talking about being confined and primitive.

Diana:

It's kind of funny.

Diana:

And she's also noticed that Castiel is declining pretty far right now.

Liz:

But I'm not really sure what she wants him to do.

Diana:

Well, I think, yeah.

Diana:

But he's like, I'm not gonna steal another angel's grace, and I'm not going to Metatron.

Diana:

I think she wants him to go to that runaway angel and steal that bitch's grace.

Diana:

I think that's what she wants.

Liz:

Pro.

Liz:

Yeah, maybe.

Liz:

But anyways, so.

Liz:

But she doesn't say that outright.

Liz:

And his phone rings, and it's Sam.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And he's like, look, the treatment's not working like it did for Crowley.

Diana:

I'm concerned that I'm killing him.

Diana:

But what.

Diana:

Where.

Diana:

You know, where the you at, basically.

Diana:

And he's like, that he's not possessed.

Diana:

This is the only treatment, remember?

Diana:

It's not your brother.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

And Caston also does the.

Liz:

You have to be prepared again.

Liz:

So we have this being reiterated.

Liz:

Then Sam says that he will leave the entrance unlocked for him.

Liz:

What the is wrong with you?

Liz:

Sam?

Liz:

Quit leaving bunker open.

Liz:

This is how you get people in there that kill you or things that are not people.

Liz:

Lock your goddamn door.

Liz:

It's not the hard.

Diana:

Yep.

Diana:

And Dean's gonna start monologuing again and talking about how this Dean doesn't have the guilt of the world.

Diana:

That Dean is long gone.

Diana:

I chose Crowley over you because I'm tired of babysitting.

Diana:

What is it?

Diana:

Your lame assign.

Diana:

And that mom would still be alive if it wasn't for you.

Diana:

I never had a brother.

Diana:

And I quit.

Diana:

It's up.

Diana:

I can't even, like, burn.

Diana:

Yeah.

Liz:

I blame you for my mom being dead.

Liz:

Ooh, that's hard.

Liz:

And then he's just like, what would you say to dad?

Liz:

And then.

Liz:

Oh.

Liz:

Oh, we also get a Winchester's don't get to quit.

Liz:

That comes from Sam.

Diana:

Sam.

Diana:

And what would you say to dad?

Diana:

And he's like, dad, that's a prize that brainwashed us to waste our lives to fight his losing battle.

Liz:

Maybe, like, okay, cool.

Liz:

Like, maybe you finally got to process some about how terrible your father is.

Liz:

But.

Liz:

So then Sam just stabs him again with.

Diana:

With his full blood, yanking his lame ass out of the fire.

Liz:

And then Dean just grunts somewhere.

Liz:

And then he.

Diana:

The grunt growl is weird.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So very guttural.

Diana:

It doesn't sound like it's coming from his mouth.

Diana:

It's really weird.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

They said in the wiki that Dean was the only demon who has an animal sound besides Abaddon.

Liz:

And I don't really know if, like, they both have animal sounds, like, as their demon Personas, but.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And also, you have to remember I.

Liz:

I think about this throughout this whole episode that Jensen is directing himself.

Liz:

That's why so is he just like.

Liz:

You need to grunt more?

Liz:

I don't really believe that.

Liz:

Grunt.

Liz:

Grunt harder.

Diana:

Yeah, maybe.

Diana:

Was the grunting in the script or did he just add that because he wanted to?

Liz:

I think the grunt was in the script.

Liz:

But, you know, it could have been an actor's choice.

Liz:

Yeah.

Diana:

So.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Well, Crowley is still trying demons for treason and kills one.

Diana:

And well, somebody.

Liz:

Someone kills.

Liz:

It was an Avadon supporter of a get sentenced to death.

Liz:

And someone gets somebody sentence carries out the execution.

Liz:

I just thought it was interesting that they had a demon killing knife.

Liz:

Like it is just like.

Liz:

Because it was just.

Liz:

They stabbed him.

Liz:

The Lisa didn't have an angel blade this time.

Liz:

But I think it's interesting when a demon killing thing shows up.

Liz:

So they had like a.

Liz:

A knife that was like.

Diana:

Like the.

Diana:

Didn't Sam and Dean get their demon knife from a demon too?

Liz:

They got that from Ruby.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So.

Liz:

I mean, they're not a lot of them.

Liz:

I mean.

Diana:

No, they're not.

Diana:

They're not.

Diana:

They aren't.

Diana:

They're just floating around out there.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

It's interesting.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

So basically we have another demon appear.

Diana:

And he's like, Crowley, you know, you can't control us or your kingdom.

Diana:

You have to ran off with Dean.

Diana:

This is up after you.

Diana:

You.

Diana:

You binged on blood.

Diana:

You ran off with Dean you can't control.

Diana:

And he self immolates in the middle of the little court with all the whale.

Diana:

That's weird.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

It makes Crowley think.

Diana:

Yeah, because they said you squandered our loyalty and self immolates.

Diana:

Things you don't see every day.

Diana:

Also words you don't get to see every day.

Diana:

But I like simulation.

Liz:

Simulation.

Diana:

The word of the day.

Diana:

All right, so we've got.

Diana:

Cass and Hannah are at a gas station.

Diana:

And this place does not look functional.

Liz:

They're at little Levi's.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And Cass is trying to still talk to her about how this.

Diana:

Basically, he's telling her not to get the feels.

Diana:

He thinks she has the feels.

Diana:

He's telling her to knock because he has the feels.

Diana:

Because they both have the feels for each other, obviously.

Liz:

But he does it in like the most like man way possible.

Liz:

Which is just like.

Liz:

So he's just like, can you.

Liz:

Can you not take a detour?

Liz:

And she's like you.

Liz:

I know what you're trying to say.

Liz:

I don't like you.

Liz:

And he's just like emotion.

Liz:

Feelings are dangerous.

Liz:

She's like, I don't have feelings.

Liz:

Off.

Liz:

I know what you're trying to say.

Liz:

Shut up.

Liz:

I'm trying to pretend I don't have those off.

Diana:

Yeah, it's super awkward.

Diana:

And she's like, sure, I.

Diana:

I get it.

Diana:

I.

Diana:

I know what our priority is.

Diana:

I'm going in the store now.

Liz:

I get it.

Liz:

I get it.

Liz:

Please stop.

Liz:

Stop rubbing it in.

Liz:

So, and then she goes inside and there is a spilled coffee cup, which is not good.

Diana:

Never a good sign when there's no one else in the store.

Diana:

There's spilled coffee because she finds the clerk is on the floor with their eyes burned out.

Diana:

They have been smote.

Liz:

They were smoted.

Diana:

And our rogue angel, Adina is there with.

Diana:

And she puts her throat to her throat.

Diana:

Puts her angel blade to Hannah's throat.

Liz:

Yes, there you go.

Diana:

That.

Diana:

That's the order of words.

Liz:

That's.

Liz:

Okay.

Liz:

My notes say a blade to Helen because I've been working on a.

Liz:

A trial of a woman from the 40s named Helen.

Liz:

So that mind does not say Hannah.

Liz:

It says Helen.

Liz:

So.

Diana:

Well, Cassiel is.

Diana:

Comes in because he's like, ah, no one.

Diana:

By the way, we didn't kill your partner on purpose.

Diana:

We didn't want that to happen.

Diana:

And so I'm going to pull.

Diana:

You know, they both have angel blades pulled, but he is way too weak to be fighting.

Diana:

And he's just like.

Diana:

Just kill me and let it go.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

And then she kicks him through the door, which I feel like is a lot.

Diana:

Yeah, she's gonna beat the out of him.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And then she punches him a lot.

Diana:

It's a lot.

Diana:

Well, in the meantime, Sam has gone to visit Dean's bedroom, where apparently they've been letting half of a piece of cherry pie rot for the entire time that he's been out with Crowley.

Liz:

And so the bunker may have like a ward to keep mice away and cockroaches.

Liz:

Because Dean, like, would really gross.

Liz:

But yeah, so there's some half eaten pie.

Liz:

There's some Asian fetish porn.

Liz:

Then underneath the pie are photos of Mary and John and Bobby.

Liz:

And then them just being bros and various tours through Sam Winchester's hair.

Diana:

And Sam looks at them and then gets ready to leave.

Diana:

But he still doesn't throw away this old ass pie.

Liz:

Nope.

Liz:

He just, you know, is also.

Liz:

But the thing is, I know I can kind of see this happening, right?

Liz:

So you're just in the room, you're like, I need to throw out that pie.

Liz:

And then like, you leave and you still don't throw out the pie.

Liz:

And then you get like, probably like outside the bunker.

Liz:

And you're like, God damn it.

Liz:

I forgot to throw out that pie.

Diana:

I bet if the pie was grosser, he would have thrown it away.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And then he's just in later.

Liz:

He'd be like, Dean, like, do you know there's pie in your room?

Liz:

And like it's still like three weeks later.

Diana:

That piece still gonna be so gross.

Diana:

So gross in a gross away.

Liz:

Anyway, so.

Liz:

Okay, so pie, blah, blah, blah.

Liz:

Then we cut back to the gas.

Diana:

Station where Crowley is now here.

Diana:

So Cassiel is bloody as I got the.

Diana:

Kicked out of him by Adina and.

Diana:

But Crowley is there and that's interesting turn of events.

Diana:

Is he going to try to kill Cass?

Liz:

We shall see, like his underling suggested.

Liz:

We don't know.

Liz:

But we're going to go back to the bunker to find.

Liz:

Oh no.

Liz:

Dean has escaped.

Diana:

He has escaped.

Diana:

And that is not good for Sam.

Diana:

But back in little Levi's gas station, Adina is torturing Hannah for.

Diana:

For the death of her partner Daniel.

Diana:

Crowley interrupts.

Liz:

Well, Hannah like is also like, shut the up, Hannah.

Liz:

Hannah, just like, you know, Daniel's death was your fault.

Liz:

And Idina is rightfully.

Liz:

He's like, we just wanted to be left alone.

Liz:

And Hannah's like, but you killed an angel.

Liz:

And she was like, but we just wanted to be left alone.

Liz:

And the angel wasn't leaving us alone, so we killed him.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And yeah, it's.

Diana:

That's totally reasonable.

Diana:

Like their whole thing that they went after them was whatever angel.

Diana:

But there we go.

Diana:

So Crowley slits Adina's throat and takes her.

Diana:

Her grace.

Liz:

And then he like.

Liz:

And he puts it in like this frosted glass tube that's got the skull top on it and it kind of glows.

Liz:

It's adorable.

Liz:

I want to store things in it.

Liz:

I want to know where you bought this.

Diana:

Where did you get.

Diana:

You just carry around this cute little like, glass cylinder with a skull top.

Liz:

I would like to hope he does.

Liz:

And I wish I was the type of person.

Liz:

And I am the type of person who would.

Liz:

So anyway, so it's very good.

Liz:

And we go from there and then we go to bunker and then.

Liz:

Playing hide and seek.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And so because Sam's gonna go, he's got to sneak around because he's scared of Dean.

Diana:

Rightfully so.

Diana:

We know Dean has demon power, right?

Diana:

And he's on the loose, even if he's been getting juiced up with human blood.

Liz:

And Dean is walking with a purpose, which I also was imagining Jensen being like.

Liz:

And now Dean walks with a purpose.

Liz:

And then like, he likes this.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And Dean gets to the kitchen, and he considers a butcher knife, but cleaver.

Liz:

Not a butcher cleaver.

Diana:

Oh, a cleaver.

Diana:

Sorry.

Diana:

Meat cleaver.

Diana:

You're correct.

Diana:

Meat cleaver.

Diana:

But ends up selecting the hammer that happens to also be in the kitchen drawer.

Diana:

And I'm.

Liz:

I feel one.

Liz:

Okay.

Liz:

Sometimes my hammers have ended up.

Liz:

Because they never know where my hammer is.

Liz:

Like, I.

Liz:

They just disappear.

Liz:

And sometimes they do end up in your kitchen drawer.

Diana:

Never.

Liz:

But, you know, he also just really.

Liz:

Shut up.

Liz:

Yes, of course they have.

Liz:

And sometimes, though, I think he just really misses odt.

Liz:

And the hammer is probably, like, the closest thing he was like, leave her.

Liz:

Do you look like a donkey bone?

Liz:

And then he's like, hammer.

Liz:

Yeah, you look like disgusting old teeth that need to be flossed.

Liz:

Let's call you out.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Well, back at Little Levi's, Crowley is giving Adina's grace to Castiel and says, look, she was killing Hannah.

Diana:

So your hands are clean.

Diana:

So I killed her, and your hands are clean.

Diana:

And you are useless to me dead.

Diana:

So you need to have your grace back.

Liz:

Bra.

Liz:

And so, yeah, he basically forces it down his throat.

Liz:

And Cass is kind of fully healed, and it really does, you know, lead to some qu.

Liz:

You know, questions just about how, like, grace can be transferred from angel to angel.

Liz:

Like, is there, like.

Liz:

Is there a.

Liz:

A type?

Liz:

Like, a great.

Liz:

Like a blood type?

Liz:

Like, a grace type?

Diana:

Didn't he burn through that other grace fast?

Diana:

Is he gonna burn through this?

Diana:

Like, how does that work?

Liz:

Yeah, I don't know.

Liz:

But he seems fine for now, so.

Liz:

Okay.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Yep.

Liz:

So Callie wants to team up.

Liz:

Well, he's on team up.

Liz:

He wants to send Cass to go fix the Dean problem.

Diana:

Yeah, because it's.

Diana:

He's not sent.

Diana:

It's not sentimental.

Diana:

If whatever has to happen, has to happen, that's it.

Liz:

So we go back to our hide and seek game in the bunker.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Where Sam locks himself in the electrical room and shuts off the power.

Diana:

And I'm like, I don't know how this is helping, but we figure out it's because it, like, locks a bunch of doors anyway.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

It puts the place in a lockdown.

Liz:

So maybe, like, the door that he left open for Cass will.

Liz:

Will be locked.

Diana:

I don't know.

Diana:

Either way, Dean's hunting Sam, and it's.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

That's weird.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And so everything now is lit by the red lights.

Liz:

Demon is demon.

Liz:

Demon.

Liz:

Dean says the less demon he was, the less the cops and the devil's trap.

Liz:

Oh.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

So It's Sam's fault that Dean is loose because they.

Diana:

Because basically the cure was working, so he was less demon, more Dean.

Diana:

And so when he was less demon, the cuffs and trap no longer worked for him.

Diana:

Which is fascinating and it's actually a good excuse, but.

Liz:

But, yes, but that didn't happen with Crowley.

Liz:

Or Crowley just didn't care and just didn't, like, want to escape the Devil's trap.

Liz:

But that.

Liz:

It's a very interesting point.

Liz:

I'm just like, okay, you're no longer a demon.

Liz:

You can't hold me this way.

Diana:

Yeah, but he's still demony because he's still trying to kill Sam.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So Dean ends up getting the lights back on.

Liz:

And then Sam now locks him into the electric room and wants to finish the treatments.

Diana:

Right?

Diana:

And he wants Dean to let him finish the treatments.

Diana:

But Dean is just going to break down the door.

Liz:

And I can't tell if he's breaking down the door with the hammer or if he got an ax, because he gets through this door pretty good.

Liz:

And I feel like that hammer.

Liz:

Like maybe the hammer was the right choice to do if it went through the door that fast.

Liz:

But.

Liz:

Or he had an accident, switches back to the hammer.

Liz:

I don't know.

Liz:

But Sam doesn't want to use the demon knife on him.

Liz:

Which then makes me also question, would.

Diana:

The demon knife kill Dean because he's a special demon?

Diana:

Does he need.

Diana:

Does Sam need ODT because the market.

Liz:

With the mark of Cain, Dean is invincible.

Liz:

So could he kill him with a demon knife?

Diana:

It's a good question.

Liz:

Stab him?

Liz:

Let's find out.

Liz:

So, unfortunately, that's not gonna happen.

Liz:

Dean and his hammer are just walking around.

Liz:

And then Sammy gets to duck as he almost gets hit in the head.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And Sam does put the blade to Dean's throat.

Diana:

But Sam won't do it.

Diana:

He drops the blade.

Diana:

Dean's eyes flash black.

Diana:

And right when it's almost too late, Castiel has arrived and put grabs Dean and hugs him.

Liz:

He gives him a bear hug.

Diana:

Bear hug from behind.

Liz:

He bear hugs him.

Liz:

He yumps him from behind.

Liz:

And as he's hugging him from behind, Dean's eyes flick back black.

Liz:

And he makes more grunty noises.

Liz:

He's like, you're hugging me so hard, Casper.

Diana:

Sam's tearing up and Cass is just.

Liz:

Like, shh, baby bear.

Liz:

It's over a little cub.

Liz:

It's fine.

Diana:

It's not what I watched, but okay.

Liz:

And then like, he's just like, I'm just gonna tie you back up again, baby so Cass just takes him and ties him back up in the chair while Sam pumps him full of blood.

Diana:

Yeah, but what's interesting is.

Diana:

So Cass is talking about this or they're talking about Dean's like, I don't want this.

Diana:

I don't want to be cured.

Diana:

I don't want to be human.

Diana:

And Cassiel's like, I see your point.

Diana:

Only humans feel such joy or such pain.

Diana:

And that is easier just to be a demon.

Liz:

Which is very.

Liz:

When he said that.

Liz:

I think this is very similar to in Vampire Diaries when a vampire is.

Liz:

Shuts off their humanity.

Liz:

Right.

Liz:

It's like it's easier to be a demon and just party all the time rather than suffer through the pain of being a human.

Diana:

Yeah, but it's also like Cassiel's been kind of talking about throughout.

Diana:

A little bit.

Diana:

Has been a theme recently, at least.

Diana:

How unique the human experience is in that it does experience those things.

Diana:

But anyway, so Dean looks up and his eyes are demon black again.

Diana:

But then the black, like fades out instead of flick.

Diana:

Like.

Diana:

Instead of like a solid flicker.

Diana:

Like a fade out from the sides.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

And so you're like, okay.

Liz:

Like, is it like.

Liz:

Is this Dean?

Liz:

And Sam throws holy water.

Liz:

Water on him.

Liz:

He doesn't burn.

Diana:

And he says, you look worried, fellas.

Liz:

So Dean's back, question mark.

Diana:

He looks kind of mad.

Liz:

He's.

Liz:

He's.

Diana:

So we see books on demonic possession.

Liz:

Cass is looking through my Lore Porn.

Diana:

Practitioners Guide to Exorcism.

Diana:

And.

Liz:

Got it.

Liz:

So, yeah.

Liz:

And so, yeah, Sam comes in and Dean.

Liz:

He says that Dean is tired but hungry, so he's gonna get him some junk food.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

And he's like, I'm gonna get a big old bag.

Diana:

Big old bag of crap food and stuff it in his face myself.

Diana:

Oh.

Diana:

Anyways.

Liz:

Bag of crap food.

Diana:

But Cass is like, look, I'll.

Diana:

I'm gonna keep an eye.

Diana:

He still has the mark of Kane, which is still an issue.

Liz:

You know, we can't forget.

Liz:

Like, he's not.

Liz:

Things aren't great, but he's better.

Liz:

Right?

Liz:

And see, I'm just like, I can't.

Diana:

Okay, one at a time.

Diana:

One thing.

Liz:

Solve one problem.

Liz:

Don't you put another.

Liz:

Don't you put another problem on me.

Liz:

Like, we went through one.

Liz:

Like, we're not that problem yet.

Liz:

We finished phase one.

Liz:

Then let me.

Liz:

Let me just indulge.

Liz:

Like, phase one is good.

Liz:

We're gonna get some fries now.

Liz:

That's what happens.

Liz:

Phase one, fries.

Liz:

Phase two, we'll get some.

Liz:

You know, we'll Deal with that.

Liz:

Maybe we'll take the pie out of the room.

Liz:

Also, this means Dean is back in the room with the.

Liz:

With the half empty slice of pie.

Liz:

So that.

Liz:

That is happening.

Diana:

It is there.

Diana:

And I'm upset about it.

Diana:

But anyway, Dean is looking at these, the family pictures that Sam had found earlier.

Diana:

And Cassiel stops by and tells Dean that he looks terrible.

Diana:

And Cass is like, I'm back temporarily.

Diana:

Dean says he looks good and there's.

Liz:

A chick in my car.

Diana:

Bs.

Liz:

So Hannah's just been sitting outside in the pit mobile this whole time.

Liz:

She's just out there.

Liz:

But you guess.

Liz:

I.

Liz:

I can also see her being like, I'm not going in that bunker.

Liz:

Which, you know, fine, Hannah, we can get that.

Liz:

Right?

Liz:

And.

Liz:

And Dean's just like, I feel real bad that I tried to kill my brother.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

I don't feel good about this.

Diana:

And Cass is like, you're okay.

Diana:

It's okay.

Diana:

Take time to heal.

Diana:

And it's relatively quiet out there between heaven and hell.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

It's going to take more than you just trying to kill your bro with a hammer to make him stop loving you.

Liz:

And you know, that is some unconditional love.

Liz:

You try and kill your brother with a hammer and they still love you.

Liz:

That is a bond for the most part.

Liz:

I don't care if you're my brother.

Liz:

If you try and kill me with a hammer.

Liz:

We're probably going to talk about our feelings for each other.

Liz:

Yeah, we may have.

Liz:

We may.

Liz:

That may be a break.

Diana:

Maybe a reset.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

But also I do feel like Cass is just jinxing this being like it's quiet.

Liz:

Take a break.

Diana:

This is a terrible thing to say.

Diana:

Why would you say that?

Liz:

Yes.

Liz:

So he's like, okay, take your self care time.

Liz:

And then we go to.

Liz:

To this new place.

Liz:

What is this place?

Liz:

By a fire.

Diana:

Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Liz:

Take me back to Tulsa.

Liz:

Who is this?

Liz:

Who is this?

Liz:

Right.

Liz:

Reading a book.

Liz:

Yeah.

Diana:

Fancy sitting room redhead lady reading a book.

Diana:

And blood starts dripping on her from the ceiling.

Diana:

That's annoying.

Diana:

Don't you hate it when that happens?

Liz:

I hate it when that happens.

Diana:

Two hotel employees are plastered to the ceiling.

Diana:

Just stakes there dripping blood.

Diana:

And they don't say a name.

Diana:

But if you know anything, you know who it is.

Diana:

Because I can't avoid.

Diana:

Between the conventions and everything else.

Diana:

Obviously I know.

Diana:

Like I've heard of.

Liz:

You've seen her and you've seen her and.

Liz:

And she is my high and the.

Liz:

The glorious lovely.

Liz:

We'll.

Liz:

We'll get to who she is.

Liz:

I mean, it's Rowena.

Liz:

That's who the it is.

Liz:

I mean.

Liz:

Yep, yep.

Liz:

So we'll get to who's playing her in a minute because that's how the episode ends.

Liz:

So before we get to our casting notes, it's time for.

Liz:

In this.

Liz:

In this world of political climate, something we call tweet lips.

Liz:

No, there's nothing political about this at all.

Liz:

I just.

Liz:

Maybe we'll get more hits from a culture war.

Liz:

I don't know.

Liz:

But.

Liz:

So during this episode, the cast and the crew did some live tweeting when it aired is.

Liz:

So we are going to go through those tweets.

Liz:

This is from a WordPress donna gaffwardpress.com and she.

Liz:

So they have archived the tweets from that night.

Liz:

And so what we're going to do is we're going to.

Liz:

Hopefully Diana's cold sloped brain can handle this.

Liz:

So we're going to kind of go through this like Mad Libs.

Liz:

Right.

Liz:

So I'm going to ask you for a couple of things.

Liz:

So our first one, we're going to talk about a Twitter tweet from Mr.

Liz:

Jensen Ackles.

Liz:

Right.

Diana:

Okay.

Liz:

And for this tweet that he said, I'm gonna ask you to give me a.

Liz:

A person.

Liz:

A title, like doctor, but not doctor in the profession.

Diana:

Like mister.

Liz:

Yeah.

Diana:

And fishmonger.

Liz:

So Mr.

Liz:

Fishmonger.

Liz:

Okay, so that ends up with the tweet.

Liz:

Here we go, Mr.

Liz:

Sam.

Liz:

Haha.

Liz:

The one armed fishmonger is in now for extra bonus points and that we keep track of.

Liz:

Can you guess what those words should have been?

Liz:

So we.

Liz:

The.

Liz:

The tweet from Mr.

Liz:

Ackles now says, Here we go, Mr.

Liz:

Sam.

Liz:

Haha.

Liz:

The one armed fishmonger is in.

Diana:

I don't know.

Diana:

I can't.

Liz:

Yeah, so it was.

Liz:

Here we go.

Liz:

Dr.

Liz:

Sam.

Liz:

Haha.

Liz:

The one armed doctor is in because Sam was in a sling in his.

Liz:

In his doctor's coat in the beginning.

Diana:

Yes.

Liz:

All right, so this next one, I.

Liz:

I need a thing.

Diana:

A thing.

Diana:

A guitar.

Liz:

So this tweet says.

Liz:

Again, these.

Liz:

This one's from.

Liz:

From Jensen.

Liz:

Hashtag Dean Mod needs a haircut.

Liz:

Any longer and he's gonna start growing guitar.

Liz:

No offense at jpad.

Liz:

So what do we think he said instead of guitar?

Liz:

So hashtag Dean Mon needs a haircut.

Liz:

Any longer and he's gonna start growing what?

Diana:

I don't know.

Liz:

Moose antlers.

Diana:

That's funny.

Liz:

No offense.

Liz:

Ha ha.

Liz:

Okay, so this next one, I need a thing and a thing.

Diana:

A thing and a thing.

Diana:

Let's Go with or a noun.

Liz:

You thing.

Liz:

Noun.

Liz:

They're the same things.

Diana:

I'm blanked completely.

Diana:

Let's go with a taco and a flower.

Liz:

So Jensen tweeted at Mark shepherd, your son is upstaging you.

Liz:

Or is it the taco on your flower?

Liz:

Toss up.

Liz:

So what did Mr.

Liz:

Ackles mean to Mark Shepard?

Liz:

So this was Mark Shepard's son was one of the extra demons in this episode.

Liz:

So Jensen said, at Mark Shepard, your son is upstaging you.

Liz:

Or is it the taco on your flower?

Liz:

You're not gonna get this.

Liz:

It is the finger on your face.

Liz:

Because during that scene, Mark was reading.

Diana:

When he was doing the big.

Liz:

He was really like.

Diana:

Yeah, he was really getting into it.

Diana:

Yeah, I remember that.

Liz:

Yep.

Liz:

So for this next one, we're still.

Liz:

They.

Liz:

They group these by actors.

Liz:

So I'm just kind of went with it.

Liz:

I didn't reorder.

Liz:

I thought about shoving these through the episode as we went through, but that was far too complicated.

Liz:

Complicated.

Liz:

Okay, so this one, I need a hashtag.

Diana:

Oh, God.

Diana:

We're gonna go with hashtag double strap podcast.

Liz:

All right, I like this.

Liz:

So that makes this tweet.

Liz:

Well, since we were posing and tweeting like we're 12.

Liz:

Here you go.

Liz:

I like to wear a devil strap podcast shirt for an extra effect.

Liz:

Now, what hashtag do you think Jensen said there?

Diana:

I don't know.

Liz:

Spn.

Liz:

That would be spn.

Liz:

So.

Liz:

And then he tweeted a picture of himself wearing a supernatural T shirt.

Diana:

Okay, okay.

Liz:

All right, so this one.

Liz:

Let's see.

Liz:

Let's see.

Liz:

Skip that one about him being a hack director.

Liz:

All right, so I need a verb or an action and a body part.

Diana:

Let's go with twirling and pinky finger.

Liz:

All right, so Jensen tweeted at Jensen Ackles at Jerpad.

Liz:

I think I still have a car from a scar from getting twirled in the pinky so many times that day.

Liz:

Thanks.

Liz:

Damn director could have moved on.

Liz:

And then Jared Padalecki tweeted at Jensen Ackles.

Liz:

Well, I didn't want to be the only Winchester with a bum pinky.

Liz:

So can you think of what the.

Liz:

What he didn't want to do in the.

Liz:

Where.

Diana:

I'm trying to think.

Diana:

So would it be something.

Diana:

I'm so focused on something with their arm because of Sam's arm.

Liz:

It is Sam.

Liz:

One part is right.

Liz:

Yes.

Liz:

You got.

Liz:

You got.

Liz:

You got army.

Diana:

I was gonna say, like, stabbed in the arm, but that doesn't really.

Liz:

The staff is close.

Liz:

It's jabbed.

Liz:

Okay, so the tweet was at Deerpad.

Liz:

I think I still have a scar from getting jabbed in the arm so many times that day.

Liz:

Thanks.

Liz:

Damn director could have moved on.

Liz:

Then Jared said, well, I didn't want to be the only Winchester with a bum arm.

Diana:

Oh, yay, look at me.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

So Jared came through and started tweeting.

Liz:

Wait a second.

Liz:

Tonight is supernatural.

Liz:

Woohoo.

Liz:

And so now I need a verb or an action and a body part again.

Diana:

Action and a body part again.

Diana:

We're gonna go with dancing and toes.

Liz:

So this tweet says from Jared, my favorite body part was dancing their director in the toes and purposely messing up so I could keep doing it.

Liz:

Smiley face emoji.

Liz:

So instead of dancing, what do you think he was doing?

Diana:

I don't know.

Liz:

He was slapping.

Liz:

This was when he was hitting Jensen in the face.

Diana:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Liz:

Okay.

Diana:

Yeah.

Liz:

Sorry, we'll have to cut.

Liz:

Yeah, yeah.

Liz:

Didn't puke, though.

Liz:

All right.

Liz:

Okay, so this next one comes from Jarpad.

Liz:

And we need two different actions.

Diana:

Two actions.

Diana:

Let's do petting and punching.

Liz:

So this ends up saying, poor Casio.

Liz:

There's probably nothing worse than seeing Ark shepherd right when you pet.

Liz:

Then the reply tweets came from the reply.

Liz:

The reply to it came from.

Liz:

Actually, there's something worse at Jarpad.

Liz:

Oh, from Misha.

Liz:

There is something worse at Jarapad.

Liz:

Seeing Mark Shepard right when you punch.

Liz:

So the real tweets were supposed to be Poor Cassiel.

Liz:

There's probably nothing worse than seeing Mark Shepard right when you wake up.

Liz:

And then it was actually, there is something worse here in Padalecki, having.

Liz:

Having Mark Shepard be the last thing you see as you drift to sleep.

Diana:

There you go.

Liz:

Y.

Liz:

All right.

Liz:

And let's see a couple of ones that wrap this out.

Liz:

All right.

Liz:

Oh, this is going to be I need an occupation.

Diana:

Let's go with engineer.

Liz:

I need a thing.

Diana:

Let's go with light bulb.

Liz:

And an action cooking.

Liz:

So this tweet now ends up saying, from Jared Padalecki, quote at the real G pad, Genevieve, how do.

Liz:

Why do they have to be above her, referencing the poor dead engineer?

Liz:

And Genevieve retweet tweeted at Jarapad.

Liz:

I mean, why aren't they on the light bulb or something?

Liz:

Who wants a light bulb cooking on them?

Liz:

And the original tweet was, why do they have to be above her, referencing the poor dead hotel workers?

Liz:

I mean, why aren't they on the wall or something?

Liz:

Who wants blood dripping on them?

Diana:

It's Reasonable.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

Some other memorable tweets from that night.

Liz:

Mark shepherd tweeted at JP had new hair.

Liz:

And to which Jared replied, maybe he's born with it.

Liz:

Maybe he's Maybelline Oswick Chow.

Liz:

Kevin jumped in with a bunch of things in here and he was like, all right, Dean Mon.

Liz:

Sounds like a Pokemon to me.

Liz:

Has anyone caught one of those yet?

Liz:

And then maybe he'll be cured.

Liz:

He'll be a super mega ultra champion.

Liz:

Dean Mon, Misha Queen tweeted when Jared was going through the room where all the the fetish porn was.

Liz:

Go for the porn.

Liz:

And also, that was quite a ride.

Liz:

RIP Hashtag Dean Mod.

Liz:

You will be missed.

Liz:

Welcome back.

Liz:

Hashtag goody2shoes Dean.

Liz:

Nisha also tweeted, weird choice to be using a hammer to go at to go after Jirpad.

Liz:

Couldn't you have used a knife or something more menacing instead?

Liz:

And Jensen replied, I agree, hammer was an odd choice.

Liz:

Or was it a hashtag awesome choice?

Liz:

Then Misha replied, jensen, I know you're new to Twitter, but you still have to spell check.

Liz:

You misspelled your hashtag.

Liz:

You meant hashtag awkward choice.

Liz:

And then there was a whole bunch of other really fun tweets from that night.

Liz:

But yep, so that was the thing that happened in a game.

Liz:

We did so tweet it.

Liz:

Tweet Libs.

Diana:

Tweet Libs.

Liz:

All right, so you got some cast notes to walk us through to end this out?

Diana:

I do.

Diana:

Casting couch.

Liz:

It's the casting couch.

Speaker C:

Were they on that show that time with that guy?

Diana:

La la la la la la la.

Liz:

La la la la la.

Diana:

So our demon number one was played by Steven Hussar.

Diana:

He's been in episodes of Smallville, Friends, Shadow Hunters, the Flash and I, Zombie.

Diana:

He was Yorkie in Letterkenny over a dozen times and was is currently Luke in Chesapeake Shores as an ongoing character and has been in a bunch of Hallmark Christmas movies.

Diana:

Additionally, he's been in what a series, a Hallmark series called the Jane Mysteries as both an actor and the executive producer.

Diana:

Guthrie is the name of our elder demon that was talking to Crowley is played by Russell Roberts.

Diana:

He's a reoccurring actor in Supernatural.

Diana:

He's also been in episodes of MacGyver, Once Upon a Time, a couple episodes of Riverdale and Resident Alien.

Diana:

He was also Greco in the:

Diana:

He's done a bunch of voice work in a bunch of Barbie cartoons as well as Ghost in the shell and is Mr.

Diana:

Benti in Twilight New Moon.

Diana:

Rowena, whose name we don't actually get in this episode.

Diana:

They don't say her name is played by Ruth Connell.

Diana:

So excited to get her character and now very exciting for me.

Diana:

She does the voice of Miraida in all of the Disney video games.

Diana:

She is the night nurse.

Diana:

She makes an appearance as a night nurse in Doom Patrol, but is the recurring night nurse in Dead Boys Detectives.

Diana:

And don't cancel it.

Diana:

Don't cancel it.

Diana:

Bring it back.

Diana:

And.

Diana:

And also makes an appearance in the Winchesters.

Diana:

Yes.

Liz:

So.

Liz:

And a few of our.

Liz:

Just kind of like, honestly, just some.

Liz:

Some fun cameos.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

Some family.

Liz:

Family Os that were in this family.

Liz:

O is my new word.

Liz:

So Max Shepard, the son of Mark Shepard.

Liz:

He was an uncredited appearance as a demon who hands Crowley the events.

Liz:

Then also Danielle Ackles, her brother Gino was the hot demon in the flight jacket, and the niece Valerie was the one who got sentenced away.

Liz:

So we got.

Liz:

We got that family that was in there.

Diana:

Fun.

Liz:

Fun.

Liz:

So episode three.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

Well, I'm relieved that they're not gonna carry.

Diana:

Yeah, I'm really.

Diana:

I had not seen or heard Dean Mon yet, so now I'm disappointed that we're three in and I'm just now learning this.

Diana:

I am relieved that demon Dean is going away and ex.

Diana:

And excited to meet Rowena.

Diana:

Yeah.

Diana:

That's my summary for this episode.

Diana:

That's what I got.

Liz:

I don't know.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

I mean, it does feel a little abrupt, you know, that we got Dean on for, like, three episodes, and maybe they're just like, we can't have, you know, the winch a Winchester being a demon for.

Liz:

For that long.

Liz:

But it does.

Liz:

It feels abrupt.

Diana:

I mean, it does.

Diana:

It feels like it, like, worked.

Diana:

It's like.

Diana:

It doesn't seem like it worked.

Diana:

Right.

Diana:

But at the same time, like, I'm glad that we're not carrying that on.

Diana:

I think that.

Liz:

I know I.

Liz:

I still would like more of the misadventures of Growley and Squirrel.

Liz:

I.

Liz:

I think, you know, they could have or at least given us more of those.

Liz:

I mean, we get some in flashbacks, but I feel like we could have gotten some more good road buddies times with two of them.

Diana:

I don't know, maybe some good karaoke.

Liz:

Times at least, and some bull riding and all sorts of fun.

Liz:

If I was on the trip, a road trip with them, I'd have a blast.

Diana:

That's reasonable.

Diana:

I don't know if that makes for the best show, but it does sound fun.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

Oh, also, in the family thing, so the name of the gas station, Little Levi's.

Liz:

There's also a shout out to Jensen's nephew, Levi's.

Liz:

And so they've put the sign for the gas station up in.

Liz:

In his nephew's bedroom.

Diana:

So very sweet.

Diana:

That's cute.

Diana:

Yeah.

Liz:

So that's family in this.

Liz:

But, you know, and it's always fun when, you know, one of the characters takes on the role of directing.

Liz:

And, you know, I think Jensen did a good job with it, you know, wasn't the strenuous of an episode to direct Jensen.

Liz:

I.

Liz:

I thought it was.

Liz:

I thought it was well directed and it was still enjoyable.

Diana:

I agree.

Diana:

I agree.

Diana:

Enjoyed it.

Diana:

It was stressful.

Liz:

That was stressful.

Liz:

I mean, not a, you know, but not, you know, a.

Liz:

A series changing episode.

Liz:

No, I mean, honestly, like, we go through it like, okay, like, Dean's not demon anymore.

Liz:

Kira went through.

Liz:

We didn't really.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

I mean, now I'm kind of, like, talking myself out of, like, just now.

Liz:

Just like this episode is kind of.

Diana:

Mediocre, I guess, but it's fun.

Liz:

Yeah.

Liz:

Yeah, sure, whatever.

Liz:

All right.

Liz:

No, it was.

Liz:

The episode was fine.

Diana:

It was fine.

Liz:

It was fine.

Diana:

Everything's fine.

Liz:

Everything is fine.

Liz:

All right.

Liz:

On that note, cheers.

Liz:

Jerk.

Diana:

Devil's Trap podcast is a Don't get it production.

Diana:

Meow.

Speaker C:

Devil's Trap podcast is part of the Ship It Studio Podcast network.

Speaker C:

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Devil's Trap Podcast.

Speaker C:

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Speaker C:

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Speaker C:

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Speaker C:

Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next time.

Diana:

Going up to Spirit in the sky it's where I'm gonna go when I die When I die and they lay me place that.

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Devil's Trap: A Supernatural Podcast
A Supernatural fan show where longtime fan Liz “trapped” Diana, into watching for the first time. Come along for a spoiler free watch with crafty urban fantasy enthusiasts.
We're going back to the beginning of the road and watching Supernatural from the beginning. For your host Liz, it's probably her fifth time through. For your other host Diana, it's her first. She claims she was scared. Naturally as a supportive friend, Liz will attempt to exploit this fear as much as possible. We also dive into the spooky spook in the show in whatever way we want - occult, folklore, true crime, shopping, GAME SHOWS?

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Elizabeth Waddell

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Liz, the maker of the Lore is a ne'er-do-well Texan, you can find her in the spooky places.

Diana Cox

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Diana is watching Supernatural for the first time and loving every minute. Diana lives in Dallas, TX and spends her time seeing/making music, going to car shows, drinking, and caring for 2 large dogs (+ the husband/Babe).