10:10 The Hunter Games
We are here to discuss Season 10, Episode 10, the Hunter Games. Yup we still hate Metatron and just want Claire to make good choices. Liz tells the fate the hitchhikers Mark Matson and Ellen Jones met when they accepted a ride from Albert Brust.
Research Links
- Albert Brust 1973 hitch hiking abductions and murder. : r/UnresolvedMysteries
- Enter the Brustian Solution, or Why I’ll Never Leave New York | ididitforjodie
- Jul 24, 1973, page 18 - Tampa Bay Times at Newspapers.com
- Aug 03, 1973, page 19 - Tampa Bay Times at Newspapers.com
- Jul 23, 1973, page 6 - Tallahassee Democrat at Newspapers.com
- Jul 29, 1973, page 207 - The Miami Herald at Newspapers.com
- Multiple serial killers are stalking roads & using loopholes to hide under radar as 200 murders unsolved, expert warns | The US Sun
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, Diana's eyeliner tips.
Speaker A:Sisters not twins.
Speaker B:And Liz's guide to hitchhiking.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And we're going to talk about season 10, episode 10, the Hunter Games.
Speaker B:Yep, that's what it's called.
Speaker A:That is, that's the name of it.
Speaker B:Yep, that's what they named it.
Speaker B:Not gonna tell you what that's a reference to.
Speaker A:What have you been up to out there?
Speaker B:Being clever.
Speaker B:I mean honestly, I have just been like, I feel like it's been a lot of errands and like getting things.
Speaker A:Checked off and you've been really productive.
Speaker A:You've been keep giving me the checkbox updates.
Speaker A:And I don't mean that you're not always productive.
Speaker A:But it was like the gold star, right?
Speaker A:Like those are like star stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The super, super adult and gold star stuff and you know, and you know, doing things.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:Not going to talk about what, you know.
Speaker B:I mean I, I, it was like what can I talk about?
Speaker B:Like, don't want to talk about that.
Speaker B:Don't want to talk about that.
Speaker B:Don't want to talk about.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:Things are, yeah.
Speaker A:Taking care business.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've been doing a lot of self care stuff.
Speaker B:Just you know, and lira started up again.
Speaker B:So lots of, we were doing this, these fun things in class where we did one called the rodeo and I sent that to Diana and that is what it sounds.
Speaker B:So if you look up aerial hoops, you'll see like there are different, like you can have hoops that have zero tabs, one tab or two tabs.
Speaker B:And that just means how like the, the strop or the rope or whatever is like hanging that hoop from the, whatever it's hanging from is connected to.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so if you have like two tabs, that means that your strop can go out and you can make like a triangle with it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it kind of gives you this more interesting way to.
Speaker B:And it makes it more stable.
Speaker B:If you want to say get on top of your hoop and write it like you know, so you put like you, you climb on top of it and you wrap your legs around it and then through it and then you, you hold on to top and then you yeehaw.
Speaker B:And then you know it's, and it's really difficult to get on top of it when there's no, like those tabs aren't there.
Speaker B:And it doesn't seem like it would be hard, but, like, you get, like, one leg on the top, and then you're like, okay.
Speaker B:And then you go to, like, put the other leg, and if you don't keep your balance and that hoop is now flipped upside down, and then you're upside down, and, you know.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it was.
Speaker B:It was a really fun class, and we did other things.
Speaker B:It was a lot of hanging upside down and then some, like, dumb girl, like.
Speaker B:And I think it was in the.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:There is a.
Speaker B:A regular text chat that I'm included in, and then there is the Instagram chat that I have not included in because I don't have Instagram.
Speaker B:And apparently on the Instagram chat, one of these dumb hookers who I don't think lives in my podcast.
Speaker B:So it's fine.
Speaker B:This younger.
Speaker B:This young child who I think is, like, 20, is like, I want more core.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Why would you say that?
Speaker B:Go do core on your own time.
Speaker B:Like, get enough core.
Speaker B:Don't tell, like, my, like, aerial teacher that you want to do more core.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Because I bet there was a lot.
Speaker B:Of question, and there was.
Speaker B:But it was fun.
Speaker B:It was a fun class.
Speaker B:So I got really sore from that.
Speaker B:And just in general.
Speaker B:And then I got to go to.
Speaker B:I went and I booked myself a massage because I was curled up into a fetal position, and I was.
Speaker B:I couldn't.
Speaker B:I was like, nope, nope.
Speaker B:If you don't massage, like, you're gonna turn into, like, Mick from Motley Crue, and you're just not gonna be able to move at all.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:And luckily, the lady I like, who's got really strong thumbs, like, got in there, and she just, like, went to town, and she just went all over my glutes, and she was like, oh, yeah, your glutes?
Speaker A:She was in my glutes.
Speaker B:But I had warned her about, like, the fall, and she was like, oh, yeah, I see that bruise is still there.
Speaker B:I'm like, you don't even know.
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker B:But, yeah, the knot's still there, but she.
Speaker B:She rubbed in on it.
Speaker B:But the fun thing that I discovered was that because of the thing that happens on my left side, that I was using my right side for everything.
Speaker B:And I also was cheating during aerial class and only doing some things on my right side.
Speaker B:Evening out and doing it on the left side because it's easier sometimes to do stuff on your dominant side.
Speaker B:And if you're not being watched by your instructor, sometimes you just don't do Both sides.
Speaker B:Anyways, I'm a grown adult woman.
Speaker B:I don't have to do everything.
Speaker B:Do what?
Speaker B:I won't do what I want, so.
Speaker B:But yeah, apparently my right side was.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:And like she like touched it.
Speaker B:It was like, oh my God.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't know that hurt like until like I was like.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's what's going on with me.
Speaker B:Lots of getting rubbed and getting poked and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker A:Sounds like.
Speaker B:Yeah, getting.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's March now.
Speaker B:Spring is here.
Speaker B:It's almost like warm enough to go outside.
Speaker B:Except we had like this weird like wind storm that.
Speaker A:It's called a haboob.
Speaker B:It was a haboob.
Speaker A:Well, the wind storm wasn't a.
Speaker A:Wasn't this storm that rolled through afterwards.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:It's the term for a dust storm that blew up after our wind.
Speaker A:We had a windstorm with like thunderstorms.
Speaker A:It was crazy.
Speaker A:We had tornadoes up here.
Speaker B:Yeah, we didn't get any of that.
Speaker B:We didn't get the thunderstorms.
Speaker B:We just got a like 45 mile an hour winds that were just like.
Speaker A:All my up 70 mile an hour windows.
Speaker A:Happens.
Speaker B:That's also stupid.
Speaker B:While they're being stupid.
Speaker B:Stop it.
Speaker A:But then.
Speaker A:And then in the afternoon, like the storms went away.
Speaker A:La dee da.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden everything turned hazy and orange like.
Speaker A:Like a cloud cover in Orangish because of the west.
Speaker B:That sounds like a tornado, though.
Speaker B:Like, if I see that.
Speaker A:But we had to look it up and it wasn't.
Speaker A:It was not tornado.
Speaker A:It was because it wasn't raining or anything else.
Speaker A:There was no storms.
Speaker A:It was no tornado.
Speaker A:It was just the dust storm.
Speaker B:Then it blew demon wits.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:So everybody's allergies are, I bet.
Speaker A:But yeah, I got to.
Speaker A:We had.
Speaker A:I had my big old event and now I'm chilling a little bit and getting our studio put back together.
Speaker A:If you see my beautiful backdrop working on.
Speaker A:If we show it, we'll see.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's my life right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I do have in one of my group chats an annoying set of old men who like to critique guitars.
Speaker B:Oh, and I want to send them that.
Speaker B:And then like, they'll like, Nigel will just like.
Speaker B:And I'll be like, oh, man.
Speaker B:I don't give a.
Speaker B:What you think about that guitar.
Speaker B:It looks pretty anyways.
Speaker B:They're pretty.
Speaker B:That's what's important.
Speaker B:I'm sure they sound fine.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:All right, let's talk about this episode.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this is the Hunter Games, and It was season 10, episode 10.
Speaker B:So 10 10.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, it's 10 years ago.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker B:And this first.
Speaker B:So I said that it was directed by John Badham, and we last saw him direct season nine, episode 11, firstborn.
Speaker B:It was written by Eugenie Ross Lemming and Brad Buckner.
Speaker B:We last saw them do a bunch of stuff in season nine.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But I think it's funny that we start this episode off with Crowley walking down a hallway getting stabbed all a Caesar, when today is the Ides of March.
Speaker A:Oh, that's funny.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker B:And then you stab Caesar.
Speaker A:Stab Caesar.
Speaker B:This is a main reference to what happened in Rome.
Speaker B:Is the monologue in Mean Girls.
Speaker A:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker B:I think it's fine.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so.
Speaker B:So it is fetch.
Speaker B:So Crowley is getting stabbed until he is awoken by a very concerned Rowena.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, he gets very.
Speaker A:She's so concerned.
Speaker A:And he calls her an evil.
Speaker A:And she corrects him to evil mother.
Speaker A:And he leaves and she pulls out her hex bag.
Speaker A:So she's obviously influencing this dreamscape.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And then we get some really good close ups and we'll get them throughout this episode of how bitching her eyeliner is.
Speaker B:And I know she has a team.
Speaker B:And I tried very.
Speaker B:I cannot.
Speaker B:Like, it's so high.
Speaker B:Her wings are so high.
Speaker B:And that's so hard to do.
Speaker B:Like, I tried to do my wings high tonight.
Speaker B:And, like, and they're a little thick and.
Speaker B:But definitely their sister's not twins.
Speaker B:And no, her.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker A:She's not twins is the rule.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker B:I know, but I just.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have to study because she's very.
Speaker B:She's got a.
Speaker B:A deep hood, too, in her eyes, like I do.
Speaker B:So, like, you should be able to do it.
Speaker B:But it was also very smoky too.
Speaker B:Like, it was a smudge thing.
Speaker A:So it does have a smudge to it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this is your report on Rowena's eyeliner for the day.
Speaker B:They will be.
Speaker B:This will happen over the next five seasons.
Speaker B:I will tell you.
Speaker B:Because she has really good eye makeup.
Speaker A:She does have good eye makeup.
Speaker B:And also I feel like it's eye makeup that affects me being, you know, the small, pale, sometimes red hair.
Speaker B:You know, we're.
Speaker B:We're of the peoples.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Back at the bunker.
Speaker A:Is sitting on his bed and he is having.
Speaker A:Continuing to have flashbacks to the bloodbath slash Massacre of killing Randy and Salinger.
Speaker B:And the henchmen, Randy.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:Back in the.
Speaker A:On the library portion of the bunker, Castiel is talking to Sam about how Claire will not talk to him.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Oh, we forgot a thing.
Speaker B:We forgot a thing we do.
Speaker B:Which is news on the Supernatural.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh, shoot.
Speaker B:So it's not official segment, but we do.
Speaker B:We do talk about it.
Speaker B:So that just reminded me.
Speaker B:So real quick, we'll just, you know, it's fine.
Speaker B:We'll do it now.
Speaker A:Breaking news.
Speaker B:Breaking news.
Speaker B:So Cass is now also going to be in The Boys Season 5.
Speaker B:So now it's confirmed that we will have Jared Padalecki and Misha Collins in Boys Season five.
Speaker B:We don't know if they'll be together.
Speaker B:We don't know what they're doing, but that is a happening.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, back to.
Speaker A:Back to this exchange with Sam and Cat.
Speaker B:Sorry about that.
Speaker A:Sam is reassuring Castiel that Castiel tried to do the right thing and that Randy was using Claire.
Speaker A:And he's like, Cass is like, that's fine and true, but she loved him because he was kind to her.
Speaker A:And that's sad.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Dean shows up and he's like, yes, by the way, that was a massacre.
Speaker A:There was a time that I was a hunter and not a stone cold killer.
Speaker A:And I crossed the line.
Speaker A:Marc Kane's gotta go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, at least he's taking responsibility for what happened.
Speaker B:He's owning it.
Speaker B:And he's like, we're gonna.
Speaker B:We've got.
Speaker B:This is happening.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's find a solution.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's keep going.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:And Valiant haired Sam, you know, because he's.
Speaker B:He's very Prince Valiant right now.
Speaker B:He has found nothing in his lore.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker A:Nothing in his lore.
Speaker A:And Castiel is going to be super helpful and share that.
Speaker A:This is like really, really, really, really, really, really hard to do.
Speaker B:He's like, maybe if we had the missing Demon Tablet.
Speaker B:And they're like, where the is that?
Speaker B:We're like, we don't know.
Speaker B:We forgot about that.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe it happened with Kevin.
Speaker B:Who's Kevin?
Speaker B:What happened?
Speaker B:Kevin.
Speaker B:Anyways, so maybe there's another way.
Speaker A:So we cut to your favorite Rowena.
Speaker A:And she is searching Crowley's stuff, but gets interrupted.
Speaker B:She's snooping.
Speaker A:She's snooping.
Speaker A:Snooping, Mom.
Speaker A:By Gerald.
Speaker A:And he's like, guthrie, not Gerald.
Speaker A:Oh, sorry.
Speaker A:Gerald Dead Guthrie.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I almost called him Gerald originally.
Speaker B:It just was the G's.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:So Guthrie is like, that's cute.
Speaker A:You're not supposed to be unattended.
Speaker A:And she's like, oh, oops.
Speaker A:Okay, fine.
Speaker A:I'm looking for snacks because I don't like the food, and none of the demons have to eat, so they can't really, like, argue with her.
Speaker A:It's kind of a thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's also saying it in, like, a snooty way.
Speaker B:He's like, well, I wouldn't know about the food because I'm a demon and we don't eat.
Speaker A:I want to eat for funsies.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Like, that doesn't seem like a good.
Speaker B:But sometimes Crowley eats, right?
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But poor Guthrie is also very afraid of displeasing his boss, right?
Speaker B:So he kind of, like, takes her, like, I will put a good word written for you thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Crowley shows up, and she's like, oh.
Speaker A:As Guthrie leaves, she's like, oh, you need to look out for him.
Speaker A:And he's like, I don't know about that.
Speaker B:You need to worry about backstabbing.
Speaker B:And he's like, that's what you said about Gerald.
Speaker B:And she's like, see?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And so he calls her out that she's trying to up his operation.
Speaker A:I'm like, she's trying to up his ops.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, I'm proud of you.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna apologize for being a career woman and abandoning you.
Speaker B:I mean, she's not wrong.
Speaker B:She had to do.
Speaker B:She had to run when she had to run away from the Grand Coven, right?
Speaker B:And she left him in a workhouse.
Speaker B:It's like, she just, like, left him on the side of the road.
Speaker B:She left him with people, and she just had to do, you know?
Speaker B:So, anyways, so we go from that to this playground where Cass is there with an adorable death rock girl.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, man, I miss death rock girls.
Speaker A:Yeah, she had a really good neon hairdo.
Speaker B:There used to be this death rock festival in New York.
Speaker B:It was choice.
Speaker B:It was so good.
Speaker B:Anyways, all right, so she's there, and she also has a child looking angel, which are always the creepiest angels.
Speaker A:They are and cast waiting around.
Speaker A:And then Ingrid arrives from heaven with a prisoner, and she.
Speaker A:Wait.
Speaker B:What happens to the noun is like, wait.
Speaker B:Child looking angel.
Speaker B:So is that like a child vessel that said.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And, like, so is this child just, like, not growing up?
Speaker B:Like, did they.
Speaker A:Or maybe this is a normal child and it's this the angel playing with it?
Speaker B:No, that's an angel.
Speaker B:Anyways, all right, so Ingrid comes through, and she has clearly brought Metatron in a hood.
Speaker B:Like, nobody is like, what?
Speaker B:You're not fooling anybody.
Speaker A:Returned intact.
Speaker A:Yeah, obviously it's Metatron, because who else looks this dumpy and lives in angel prison?
Speaker B:So, yes, they take him away.
Speaker B:The pet mobile.
Speaker B:Insane.
Speaker A:And he's already running his mouth, because of course he is.
Speaker A:He's Metatron.
Speaker A:So he's we.
Speaker A:Metatron running his fat mouth the whole episode.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Sam is there, and he just looks pissed.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So back at the bunker, they've got Metatron in their file room.
Speaker B:File room, file dungeon, dungeon.
Speaker A:Because where else they put people?
Speaker A:And Sam wants information, and Metatron's gonna be snarky about it.
Speaker A:I'm not going to quote him every time because he's snarky as.
Speaker A:And says a lot of things.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, no, we need.
Speaker A:I need to know how to remove the Mark of Cain from Dean.
Speaker A:And Metatron is assuming, though, that Dean is currently a demon and.
Speaker A:Or that he has gone, quote, unquote, nuclear or is a maniac.
Speaker A:And he thinks it's all fantastic and says that if you want his help, you've got to keep Dean on a short leash.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam was just like, I don't give a.
Speaker B:What happens to you.
Speaker B:Like, no one does.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So then we go to the Astoria Hotel, which we have seen before, and there is Claire with her little cute braids in her hair.
Speaker B:It's so dope.
Speaker A:Super cute.
Speaker B:So cute.
Speaker A:So cute.
Speaker A:And she's packing, and Castiel's like, what are you doing?
Speaker A:And she's like, I'm leaving because I don't want to stay with you.
Speaker A:And it's creepy because you look like my dad.
Speaker B:He's dead, and your friend killed Randy.
Speaker A:And he's like, well, I feel really responsible that your life's so.
Speaker A:I feel like I should, like, stick with you and, like, try to, like, help you out.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, no, I'm good.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:You know, I don't need.
Speaker A:I don't need you around.
Speaker A:And that doesn't matter that Randy left that creepy.
Speaker A:Alone with me.
Speaker A:And it just.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Dean's a monster, so it doesn't count.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's a stupid argument.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But then Cass tells her that it's possible that there is a little monster in all of us.
Speaker B:And then Lady Gaga left.
Speaker B:So Claire then leaves to go off on her own, and because that seems wise, then we get.
Speaker B:Claire is just making all the.
Speaker B:The smart choices as I Mistake.
Speaker B:So then we go back to file.
Speaker A:Dungeon, and Metatron's still running his mouth, like I said.
Speaker A:So he does this whole episode, but Dean's like ready to kill him.
Speaker A:And I like that Sam calls Metatron a dick plot.
Speaker A:But he.
Speaker A:Metatron finally does give tell them that they need the First Blade.
Speaker B:So he's just like, yeah, I'll help you.
Speaker B:You've got to go get odt.
Speaker B:And then Sam and Dean are going to fight over whether or not they should get it.
Speaker B:And guess which side Dean is going to fall on.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course he's gonna get it.
Speaker A:So he gets on the phone to go call Crowley.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:So Dean go.
Speaker A:And Dean just really want an excuse to call Crowley probably.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:And I think Crowley is just way too excited for Dean to call him.
Speaker A:He is not sad about this.
Speaker A:Rowena is having tea and wants to talk about lullabies, but Crowley is just like, really excited about the fact.
Speaker A:Well, Crowley called out.
Speaker A:There were no fucking lullabies.
Speaker A:He just got dosed with whiskey.
Speaker A:But he.
Speaker A:He is very excited to answer Dean's call and runs out to go do that.
Speaker A:Poofs out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He leaves the up.
Speaker B:And that leaves Rowena alone to do her business.
Speaker B:And then she takes out some big ass scissors.
Speaker A:Big scissors.
Speaker B:They're big ass shears or gold.
Speaker B:They're awesome.
Speaker B:They look like you're about to like, open a town or something.
Speaker B:And then she cuts some fabric.
Speaker A:Cuts a tie.
Speaker A:Cuts out part of his tie in his locker.
Speaker A:Claire is hanging out at a pool hall by herself.
Speaker A:This girl does not look old enough to be at a pool hall by herself.
Speaker A:And then somebody would have called this out.
Speaker B:Well, she's pretty and blonde.
Speaker B:So Claire is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she is telling these strangers.
Speaker B:Very personal business.
Speaker A:But it's also a really weird story to tell.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know, both things.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, the fact that this couple is into whatever is happening or what she like, all is no red flags.
Speaker B:Red flags?
Speaker B:What the is wrong with you, Claire?
Speaker A:So all the red flags.
Speaker B:And they're just like.
Speaker B:They're like, that's why we keep moving.
Speaker B:And we don't have any home.
Speaker B:We're drifters, so you should hang out with us, you young, cute child.
Speaker A:And Castiel is blowing her up.
Speaker A:And the chick's like, anyways, it's just.
Speaker A:It's just gross.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:They're so creepy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, this is obviously like the PSA on why you shouldn't run away from home, so.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So then the drifter's just looking each other away and they're just.
Speaker B:They're just like, we gotta murder you.
Speaker B:Like, it clearly says that on their face.
Speaker B:Like, there should be, like, a type screen that just says murder child.
Speaker B:So then we cut from that to an alley, an underpass, the side of the road.
Speaker A:It's an alley thing, I think.
Speaker A:And Sam and Dina met Crowley.
Speaker A:And he is pissed that they want the blade.
Speaker A:But while they're having this conversation, we get a lot of back and forth because Rowena is doing a ritual with a little.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's crafting.
Speaker B:With animal bones.
Speaker A:Yes, with animal bones and bits of.
Speaker A:Of Crowley's tie.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:She's, like, doing a spell.
Speaker B:But I also like to think she's making, like, the cute little taxidermy animals that have, like, you know, like, they have little, like, stories.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Like a little bird skeleton with a little cape on.
Speaker B:Yeah, or like, the ones that, like, they make.
Speaker B:There's an artist in San Francisco and she, like, makes, like, different.
Speaker B:Like, she puts like, the.
Speaker B:Like the alligator head with like, the mouse body.
Speaker B:And then, like, it'll be in like, a renaissance outfit and it'll be like a prince.
Speaker B:Anyways, that's what she looks like she's doing, so it looks adorable.
Speaker B:The spell is really cute and crafty, and I would do it nuts.
Speaker B:And I do know where to get those bones.
Speaker A:Something from her spell makes it her able to, like, fly and go see where Crowley is.
Speaker A:And so she's able to go eavesdrop while with.
Speaker A:Through her, I guess, her little bird spirit bones.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, she calls.
Speaker B:Yeah, she calls on Titania, who is the fairy queen from Shakespeare.
Speaker B:And her eyeballs also go white when they do that.
Speaker B:That's how, you know.
Speaker B:But she's astral projecting through her fake bird.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:It's astral projecting through the fake, through the bird bones.
Speaker B:Yeah, she becomes a bird.
Speaker A:And so she flies out to where he is and she can overhear this conversation.
Speaker A:So now she knows what the happening.
Speaker A:And Crowley is bitching about how.
Speaker A:Why the does he need to get the most dangerous weapon on earth for Dean Winchester?
Speaker A:And that's when, you know, he thought they were gonna get to go for a beer.
Speaker A:And this is just a death sentence for him and his kind if he helps out the Winchesters here.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, no, not really.
Speaker A:This is fucking good for you.
Speaker A:Because then the mark will be gone.
Speaker A:And so the blade will be useless after that.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker B:Also, watch my long Hair when it's wet.
Speaker B:And now you appreciate it.
Speaker B:Like, while you thought it was sad when it was in the weird Prince Valiant way, now that it's all wet, it's super sexy and hot.
Speaker B:And I appreciate them, like, putting them in a fake ring to make his hair do that.
Speaker B:So Dean promises to keep it all together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Because if he doesn't, he.
Speaker A:He's got to do this because he.
Speaker A:The body count's just gonna get higher if they don't get this mark handled.
Speaker A:So please, please, please help.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, sure.
Speaker A:The blades in the crypt with my bones.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And why they're in law, we don't know.
Speaker B:It's a very random place to put them.
Speaker A:But Rowena's little spirit bird spy flies away.
Speaker A:And she pretends that she is sending a message to Guthrie, but she wants to be talked about.
Speaker A:Guthrie.
Speaker A:But Guthrie is just super unimpressed with her.
Speaker A:And she's like, look, I hear that you don't like this, but you remember what happened to Gerald.
Speaker A:Um, you need to fudgeing.
Speaker A:Help me out.
Speaker A:Because you're used to a crossroads rape demon.
Speaker A:That means you can travel.
Speaker A:And you need to go do this for me.
Speaker B:She also said that she noticed that on his resume.
Speaker B:So, like, does.
Speaker B:Like, is she thumbing through his resume?
Speaker B:Is there a demon LinkedIn?
Speaker A:There's even files.
Speaker A:Like, the personnel files.
Speaker B:Is it a personnel file?
Speaker B:Like, does it have, like, where they take all the resumes?
Speaker B:What is their interview process like?
Speaker B:I'm very curious about this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker B:I love demon HR I don't know why I love the idea of bureaucracy in hell so much.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker A:I do, too.
Speaker A:That concept in this house.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker B:Bureaucracy in every hell.
Speaker B:I mean, I think, like, Beetlejuice.
Speaker B:Neil nailed it.
Speaker B:And then a couple other places, too.
Speaker B:Like, it's just so fun.
Speaker B:So, all right, so we've got demon LinkedIn.
Speaker B:Then we go back to the bunker where Cass is being an alarmist.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He is, like, not happy.
Speaker A:And about this plan with ODT or talking to Crowley or anything, so.
Speaker A:But Dean's like, look, we don't really have a choice.
Speaker A:I am at the trifecta.
Speaker A:I hear evil, I see evil, and I do evil.
Speaker A:Let's unfuck this.
Speaker B:So let's unfuck this.
Speaker A:That's my interpretation.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, no, you've got enough to deal with with Claire, Cass.
Speaker A:Don't worry about it.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, but she's gone.
Speaker A:She's full of rage.
Speaker A:And she's gone.
Speaker B:Claire's full of rage.
Speaker B:She is a teenage girl, and I do not know what to do.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's called angst.
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker B:I mean, she's like this girl filled with trauma and, like, traumatized hormones with, like, it's all.
Speaker B:It's not girl.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:So Cass is like, hey, well, why don't you get together with her, Dean?
Speaker B:Because you're both messed up humans.
Speaker B:And then you can.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:And then you can explain why you murdered her only friend.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That'd be a great.
Speaker A:A great, great scenario here.
Speaker A:Because she won't talk to Cass, so this might be the next best.
Speaker A:Dean's like, fine, fine.
Speaker A:I'll call her.
Speaker A:I'll call.
Speaker A:And Cass shares how much he loves texting.
Speaker B:He's very excited about texting with his emoticons.
Speaker B:And those were the first of, like, original emoticons.
Speaker B: Because this is: Speaker B:And even though that was only 10 years ago, it was a lifetime ago, so.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:It was so.
Speaker B:Cass is just very impressed that Dean is called.
Speaker A:But they also.
Speaker A:He's too calm.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They don't trust this.
Speaker B:Sam's like, that's a terrible sign.
Speaker B:He's too calm.
Speaker A:Not good.
Speaker A:Not good.
Speaker A:Seems good on surface.
Speaker A:Not good in reality.
Speaker A:And Crowley has decided to go retrieve odt.
Speaker A:So he goes to his crypt and he flicks and he opens the lid of the coffin and has.
Speaker A:There's a fancy box that he stores ODT in inside next to his bones.
Speaker A:And shocker.
Speaker A:It's empty.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:It's gone.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut to his throne where his mom's sitting.
Speaker B:And she's sitting there because of her sciatica.
Speaker B:So she needs a firm place.
Speaker B:She's a firm thing for her booty.
Speaker A:Sounds awful.
Speaker A:Anyways, and Guthrie enters with a package.
Speaker A:And he says that he will is only willing to personally deliver this to the king.
Speaker A:And so she compliments him and then stabs him and takes the package.
Speaker A:And Crowley comes in at this time.
Speaker A:Of course he does.
Speaker A:And she's like, I totally caught Guthrie inciting your people against you.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She plays the overly dramatic card.
Speaker B:And so she's just like, I had no choice.
Speaker B:He was attacking me.
Speaker B:And then Crowley's like, well, you know, I had this dream where Guthrie was attacking me.
Speaker B:Isn't that weird?
Speaker A:She's like, yeah.
Speaker A:Also, what's this about the Winchesters?
Speaker A:And some first, some blade and.
Speaker A:Oh, by the way, what's this?
Speaker A:Oh, no, here's a blade.
Speaker A:That's weird.
Speaker A:Are Those Winchesters.
Speaker A:The Hunter Winchesters, by chance.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:That'd be crazy, right?
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She is playing everyone.
Speaker B:No, she's just playing Crowley.
Speaker B:I don't think she's really playing.
Speaker B:I mean, just kind of.
Speaker A:Well, she kind of played the other dude.
Speaker B:She plays.
Speaker B:Yeah, she plays everybody.
Speaker B:But anyways, she's just like, who do you have left to trust?
Speaker B:So then we go from.
Speaker B:From there to the woods to the campfire where.
Speaker B:Where our drifters are at with your trailer, and.
Speaker A:And Claire has gone with them to the woods.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:Claire.
Speaker B:Claire.
Speaker A:You can.
Speaker A:Look, I get it.
Speaker A:You can play pool with them and have a beer and feel cool for a minute, but you don't go to the rv.
Speaker A:You don't leave the pool hall.
Speaker B:I don't know how.
Speaker B:Claire's not dead.
Speaker B:So, anyway, so the drifters are telling this fantastic story about how they got caught squatting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:When Claire gets.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Listens to a voicemail from Dean asking her to meet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like, man, I don't know about that.
Speaker A:And then she basically, like, gets a.
Speaker A:Like, thinks about, you know, Dean slaughtering Randy and everybody again.
Speaker A:And Britain Troy are like, oh, you should totally go talk to Dean.
Speaker A:We can beat him up or kill him, but they don't really say it that way.
Speaker A:They, like, dance around it.
Speaker A:And so enough.
Speaker A:That dumb little girl Claire is like, this is a great idea.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she smiles in a really creepy way that makes me wonder if she's a psychopath.
Speaker A:So would you.
Speaker A:I mean, would you be shocked at this point?
Speaker B:I mean, No.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Very traumatized young woman.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Things aren't great.
Speaker B:So then we go to the bunker, and it's sandwich time.
Speaker A:Bunker.
Speaker A:Sandwich time.
Speaker A:And Dean.
Speaker A:So Dean's in the kitchen, and Crowley calls him, and it's like, I got the Blade.
Speaker A:But I'm gonna hold on to it for now.
Speaker A:So get back.
Speaker B:So that means you have to call me again.
Speaker B:So I'll talk to you later, Dean.
Speaker B:Love you.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker B:So then we go from that back to our file dungeon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because Metatron wants to tell him.
Speaker A:Well, Dean tells Metatron we have odt and Metatron's.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker A:I'm lonely.
Speaker A:And I figured out that you need.
Speaker A:Because you need to get rid of the mark.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker A:So I'm not going to give you any more free tips.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:Everything's going to cost you, and there's a lot of tips that you need to make this work.
Speaker B:So Dean's is like, this noise, and I'm going to pull out the angel blade and I'm going to torture it out of you, even though we all know torture does not work, but he's going to do it.
Speaker B:And he's like, just tell me what the next step is.
Speaker A:I mean, also, though you.
Speaker A:It's also a very desirable thing to do to Metatron because.
Speaker A:Because Metron is.
Speaker B:No, you want to.
Speaker B:You want to hurt him, but it's still.
Speaker B:Maybe you're not going to necessarily get the truth that you're seeking.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Meta is just being a dick and denying him.
Speaker A:So bad.
Speaker A:It's so bad.
Speaker A:Metatron is so rude.
Speaker A:And Dean starts listing all the horrible that Metatron has caused from the.
Speaker A:From stealing Cassiel's grace to casting out the angels, to Gadriel killing Kevin with Sam's hands, to the angel war and then killing Dean.
Speaker A:And Metatron kind of like, flips it a little bit and mocks his morality being judged by Dean Winchester, which.
Speaker A:So Dean punches him in the face a lot.
Speaker B:And then, like, we get some.
Speaker B:Some weird shit.
Speaker B:And again, like, part of it is Metatron just trying to piss the Dean off more.
Speaker B:But also part of this is a kind of an interesting thing about where he's, like, grossly encouraging him to go dark side.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:He's like, go deeper.
Speaker B:Go deeper.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, but basically saying that what is making the Mark more powerful, too, is that darkness.
Speaker B:And if, like, he got so, like, that energy was so big just from murdering, like, human beings or whatever, what happens when you beat the scribe of God?
Speaker B:And so, like, how much more is that going to intensify what's happening?
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So I think that's just canon.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:I think that's interesting.
Speaker A:It is interesting.
Speaker A:And so it's like, if, you know, doing a.
Speaker A:You know, harming a human or a demon, you up harming an angel, you up worse.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so it's.
Speaker A:But he also calls him bucko, which.
Speaker B:Is annoying, which also pisses him off.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So, so cousin Sam are like, oh, I think Cass is like, I'm gonna go look for Claire.
Speaker A:Oh, wait, where the Dean.
Speaker A:Ruh.
Speaker A:Row.
Speaker A:And so they run and find him beating up.
Speaker A:Get Metatron getting beat up by.
Speaker A:By Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah, but he's also.
Speaker B:Metatron is still blah, blah, blahing about Dean still being stubborn.
Speaker B:And so you're kind of like, we'll keep punching him.
Speaker B:But, you know.
Speaker B:But then Dean takes the blade and he starts cutting.
Speaker B:And then I'm Kind of like, couldn't Metatron not be killed?
Speaker B:But, like, is that.
Speaker B:Was that just before?
Speaker A:Like before when he was gody?
Speaker B:So now he can be killed with an angel blade, like a regular angel?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:Because he's not as God.
Speaker A:Remember he had all that extra God power.
Speaker A:He was all powered up and.
Speaker A:Yeah, finally he's.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But he says something that says, behold, the river shall end at the source.
Speaker B:I think that's a Jimmy Cliff lyric.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And then, so he says that Dean's cutting on him.
Speaker B:Sam's like, beating on the door.
Speaker B:Then Sam's.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker B:Then Cass is just like, I'm gonna smite this door.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He smites the door, blast that door open, and he's like, I gave my word that I would take Metatron back unharmed.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And that's my word in heaven.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:I've got to take him back.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, I want to go back to the smiting.
Speaker B:Just because the effect of it, like, if you like, they really was.
Speaker B:I think it was the idea of like going like Cass's power of going into atoms and like, breaking them apart.
Speaker B:But like, the door, like, breaks apart into all these like, little wood chipper pieces.
Speaker B:And I'm surprised.
Speaker B:Like, they're like Dean getting a lot of splinters.
Speaker B:Like, I thought that might have happened, but.
Speaker B:But then, like, all the wood just goes everywhere.
Speaker B:So now the file dungeon.
Speaker A:It's like they are standing on the other end of a wood chipper.
Speaker B:How much wood could a wood chip chip?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But Metatron tells them, if before you ask for my help again, I'll choose death.
Speaker A:So Metatron, okay, whatever, is no longer open to assist.
Speaker B:Apparently, like, he was open before.
Speaker B:I'm just like, it's a.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:I hate you.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Like, I know that's reject, but just whatever, really.
Speaker B:Like, he makes me feel like a five year old child.
Speaker B:Like, I hate you.
Speaker A:No, he does.
Speaker A:He gets that reaction because he.
Speaker A:Because he's so immature and so also like so goading and like, weirdly egotistical that you do feel that way about him.
Speaker A:It's like you get like.
Speaker A:Because he twist everything and come to the back, it's like, well, hey, Metatron, you did all this up.
Speaker A:He's like, well, you did more up.
Speaker A:It's like, well, yeah, maybe, but that doesn't make your justified either.
Speaker A:Maybe I should own my.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's just like, he doesn't own anything.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:He says yeah.
Speaker B:That's why he's such an amazing actor.
Speaker B:Like, it just is.
Speaker B:Like, it makes you.
Speaker B:I hate you so much.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:So, all right, so we go back to the table, and Dean brings up like, that he's got rivers across.
Speaker B:I mean, sorry.
Speaker B:So he's got meta.
Speaker B:Said the river was the end at the source.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, look, I was gonna kill him.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I wasn't able to stop myself.
Speaker B:And thank you for the beer, Sam.
Speaker B:Listen, alcohol will help this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, for duh.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, well, Kane live with the mark.
Speaker A:And I know the pool's really strong, but maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe the powerful force that we need here is you, Dean.
Speaker A:Are you the.
Speaker B:Maybe the force is in you.
Speaker B:Maybe it needs to be inside.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:But what about Kane?
Speaker B:Bring my hot daddy back.
Speaker B:Okay, so then Dean's phone rings again.
Speaker A:And it's Claire.
Speaker A:And she wants to hear his side because cast trusts him.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:He says this while Tony and Britt I each other.
Speaker A:So Dean drives baby by himself to go meet her at this park bench, which is.
Speaker A:Has an RV parked across the trail next to the park bench.
Speaker A:Really awkwardly.
Speaker B:No, no, I mean, that's fine.
Speaker B:Like, campsites have that.
Speaker B:Campsites have benches.
Speaker B:If you're.
Speaker B:If you're camping, like, and you're poking.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not weird.
Speaker A:I thought it was a weird setup.
Speaker A:It looked like the RV was parked across the trail.
Speaker A:That's what I thought was weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:But also, they could just be parked wherever because they're trashy.
Speaker B:So Brit has got a bat and.
Speaker A:She'S in the bushes hiding on one side.
Speaker A:Tony's creeping around in bushes with an ax.
Speaker A:Dean's, like, strolling over to this bench and sits down while Claire watches him from the rv.
Speaker A:And when she realizes that creepy ass Tony has an ax, she yells out.
Speaker A:And Dean.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so she yells, no.
Speaker B:Which alerts Dean that this is the ambush is happening.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So why are you doing that, Claire?
Speaker B:Because then, like, he easily.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker B:He overpowers Brit and Tony.
Speaker B:What the fuck is wrong with you, Claire?
Speaker B:Do you not.
Speaker B:Have you met Dean Winchester?
Speaker A:No, she didn't think about this.
Speaker B:Did you see Britain Tony?
Speaker B:And then you saw.
Speaker B:You saw.
Speaker B:He killed like, 17.
Speaker B:Like, how those people Randy throw up all that shit.
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, Britain Tony can take him.
Speaker B:What the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's all bad.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so she.
Speaker A:British Brit gets anyways he Gets Brit, fights Tony, gets the ax.
Speaker A:Claire's yelling.
Speaker A:He puts the axe into the bench and doesn't kill either one of them.
Speaker A:And Claire runs off crying.
Speaker A:Stupid, stupid situation.
Speaker A:And scene.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So later on, Cass finds Claire walking down the road by herself.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And this road apparently is one of the most haunted roads in America.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:I know you thought that was going to be a lore cue, but it's not.
Speaker A:Interestingly, apparently he tells her that he can pick up and track anyone that's prayed to him.
Speaker A:And she's like, I haven't really been praying to you.
Speaker A:And he's like, we're gonna kind of like longing or sense of whatever.
Speaker A:I think he's lying.
Speaker A:But I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker B:I mean, she could just be on the road and being like.
Speaker B:I'm worried about being by myself.
Speaker B:And he can pick that up.
Speaker B:Up.
Speaker B:I mean, that's an angel thing, right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I could also see her being like, you know, she's scared and she wants help.
Speaker A:Right, so that's true.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:It was just a weird way that he framed it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she's like, you know, hey, by the way, I thought about what you said.
Speaker A:Maybe I do need to do things differently.
Speaker A:And maybe I do have a little monster in me too.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes, you do.
Speaker A:Because you try to set up like someone else to get murdered for.
Speaker B:You just tried to murder somebody.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's a little monster.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a little bit.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:It qualifies.
Speaker A:Qualifies.
Speaker A:And she's like, look, I don't really want to go with you because this is so weird that you look like my dead dad, but I let's.
Speaker A:We can keep in touch.
Speaker A:Is that cool?
Speaker A:And he's like, that's cool.
Speaker A:And drives away.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:And she also has told him that nobody will pick me up while I'm with you in this car.
Speaker B:I'm like girl one, it looks like your pimps car.
Speaker B:So yes, they would totally so pick you up to stop hitchhiking because you were going to die.
Speaker B:And also like, what the is wrong with you, Cass?
Speaker B:Why are you driving off and leaving the small child alone in the middle of the road for sake?
Speaker A:So what do you do?
Speaker A:She's a minor child.
Speaker A:You don't have custody.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess he could say he has custody.
Speaker A:He could fight that shit because he could pretend to be genuine.
Speaker B:But just in general, Dean, Sam, all of you know it is not a good idea for a 16 year old.
Speaker B:Girl to be hitchhiking around by herself yourself.
Speaker B:So I'm going to tell you a reason why.
Speaker B:So this is lore.
Speaker B:Now you have it because we finished the episodes and we're gonna talk about lore.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:And trigger warning.
Speaker B:This story is awful.
Speaker B:It includes murder, child sexual abuse and not being believed by authorities.
Speaker B:And it really makes me angry and furious.
Speaker B:And it happened 50 years ago, but so I was looking up like trying to find actual hitchhiking statistics which are very difficult to find.
Speaker B:And there are some weird, like there's some ways that it's tracked, but it's just not, it's not an easy thing that's done.
Speaker B:And there's this whole thing about this highway serial killing initiative that the feds had in like the early aughts after like they said, apparently there's like hundreds of like unsolved cases that involve like serial killers that are like stalking the highways, like being truck drivers.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker A:Fun.
Speaker B:So but I mean realistically if you look statistically it's really not that dangerous a hitchhike.
Speaker B:And so I'm gonna tell you that just statistics standpoint, really, it's not that bad.
Speaker B:However, statistics is a, because when you're the one person like that it happens to, well, the statistics don't matter anymore.
Speaker B:And so this is what can happen.
Speaker B:I'm not doing this as a scare tacket, I'm just saying you, you understand the things that happen and then you make your own risk model based off of that.
Speaker B:So we're going back to the 70s.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:You'll see why.
Speaker B:So she went to the Fort Lauderdale police and she told them that she had been abducted along with this boy named Mark while hitchhiking by a man calling himself Eric.
Speaker B:They had gotten into the stranger's windowless white van and went with him to his house.
Speaker B:He told them that he needed housekeepers and he seemed non threatening and harmless outside from the front the house, it's really nice.
Speaker B:It was blue and white stone, so it's really good.
Speaker B:Things took a turn once they got inside the house when the man pulled a gun on both of them, forced them into a padded room with chains and horrific devices, and ordered them to perform sexual act on each other while he watched and took pictures.
Speaker B:At one point the man had put down the gun and Mark seized the opportunity and leapt unto the man but lost the struggle.
Speaker B:The man then murdered Mark with multiple shots.
Speaker B:He spent the next couple of days sexually assaulting and torturing Mary Ellen while forcing her to watch him dismember Mark and then cover his remains in concrete in the shower.
Speaker B:Then later, in the middle of a Monday afternoon, he drove Mary Ellen to the Fort Lauderdale beach, making her ride on the floor so she wouldn't be able to remember the way, telling her, a life for a life.
Speaker B:I've taken a life, but now I'm going to give you your life.
Speaker B:Then he threatened her and her family's life if she went to the police.
Speaker B:After listening to this horrific story, the police phoned Mary Ellen's family, who told them that she was a pathological liar and not to believe a word she said.
Speaker B:Her mother went to a local Travel agency, wired $73 to get Mary back home.
Speaker B:Mary Ellen back home to Frankfort, Kentucky.
Speaker B:And so Mary Ellen went back to Kentucky and the Fort Lauderdale police went back to Bikini Control.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:That was a good long.
Speaker B:If I could it up, I'm gonna say it again.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And so Mary Ellen went back to Kentucky and the Fort Lauder police went back to Bikini Patrol.
Speaker B:The B and the P were really hard.
Speaker B:I didn't think about that.
Speaker B:So come July 21st.
Speaker B:So about a week, six days later.
Speaker B:Yes, The Metro Day Police got a call from Mrs.
Speaker B:Sheila Holt saying, I think there's a dead man in the garden next door.
Speaker B:Mrs.
Speaker B:Holt had run outside to get her laundry down from the clothesline before it got rained on when she noticed her weird little neighbor Albert Brust on his Chase Lounge not seeming to be bothered by the storm.
Speaker B:Then her son told her that he had been on that chair for over 24 hours.
Speaker B:I believe also his eyes are open and it was raining.
Speaker B:I believe he may have been like a chicken or the turkey in the rain with his head just open.
Speaker B:So the guy's a dick.
Speaker B:I don't, you know, it's fine.
Speaker B:So the police burst into Bruss's home.
Speaker B:I don't think they burst.
Speaker B:I just wanted to use that alliteration.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They get into the house, they follow the smell into the bathroom where the shower was sweating blood.
Speaker B:No, that's up.
Speaker B:That's some up.
Speaker B:That's some horror.
Speaker B:Also, the walls of the bathroom were decoupaged with all this porn and two life size male nudes.
Speaker B:Someone got artistic in their bathroom.
Speaker B:So then they found a steel door in a spare bedroom which was behind which was a 4 by 8 chamber insulated with cinder blocks and 6 inches of foam.
Speaker B:It was lit by black light, which sounds like an awful idea, and had a bunch of whips, chains and padlocks, as well as quote unquote, obscenities scrolls on the wall.
Speaker B:They found a saw, knives, a handgun, a pair of women's panties, a sex apparatus, brochures, and a narcissistic diary detailing all of this man's unoriginal thoughts about his fantasies and BDSM and the Marquis de Sade, all while whining that he was so, so sad that he was still a virgin in his 40s.
Speaker B:Honestly, not surprising.
Speaker B:He was an unpleasant human being.
Speaker B:His neighbors called him a chronic complainer.
Speaker B:He hated loud music, children, and barking dogs, which made up most of the neighborhood.
Speaker B:Tldr on this dude.
Speaker B: He was born in Brooklyn in: Speaker B:He was in trouble with the law by the time he was 16.
Speaker B:He was still in high school at the age of 21.
Speaker B:Can you imagine that?
Speaker B:You have nightmares about that.
Speaker B:I have literal nightmares about that, but, like, damn.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But then he had to leave because he had to serve three to 10 for aggravated salt and grand larceny.
Speaker B:He served about six years in the prison at Dannemora and at the Great Meadows Correctional center at Comstock in upstate New York, where he learned to weld machining skills and also studied math.
Speaker B:He told everyone he became a calculus master while in prison, but he never even finished his correspondence work, and the registrar said it took him way too long to finish his algebra and geometry courses.
Speaker B: So he was paroled in: Speaker B: he got into a bad accident in: Speaker B:It's unclear what injuries he had, but it is likely there was some head trauma as he noted headaches while complaining later.
Speaker B:Which is always something to be cognizant of during these things that they always say, that's kind of one of the things that can be related.
Speaker B: o he moved to Florida in late: Speaker B:According to the Tampa Bay Times.
Speaker B:His Miami neighbor, Richard Dew, said he was a small man trying to make it big.
Speaker B:He was only about 5ft, 4 inches tall.
Speaker B:He was a real grouch.
Speaker B:He told me, I work for Dade County.
Speaker B:I could have you locked up.
Speaker B:His co worker thought that he had a marvelous memory and was self educated.
Speaker B:I'm a college graduate.
Speaker B:He made me feel stupid.
Speaker B:He thought everyone was stupid but himself.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So back to his shitty diary.
Speaker B: tion and was dated from April: Speaker B:It ended with the ramblings of a madman.
Speaker B:Because realizing that if you put a body in concrete in the summer in Swamp ass, Florida is going to start to ooze, he decided he miscalculated.
Speaker B:This is quote I have miscalculated.
Speaker B:However, I don't know why.
Speaker B:I think his voice is what it is.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:However, I know I could save the situation by a lot of disagreeable work, But I could see no good reason for going on what would come next.
Speaker B:The whole business is not worth it.
Speaker B:Life is not worth the trouble.
Speaker B:After all, death comes sooner or later.
Speaker B:So why not sooner and save yourself all the trouble and pain of living once born?
Speaker B:Make haste to pass the gates of death.
Speaker B:One factor in my decision is my clearly declining health.
Speaker B:I now suffer foot pain, both feet plus shoulder, probably buritis, bursitis, whatever.
Speaker B:In addition, there is the vascular problem in my right arm, the pins and needle sensation that indicate a circulatory disorder.
Speaker B:Add to it all my diabetic tendency and then inevitability of insulin dependency.
Speaker B:So he, in his diary says that I have all this foot pain and my shoulder hurts.
Speaker B:I mean, I also killed somebody and like raped and tortured a girl for a couple of days.
Speaker B:And I pour concrete all over his dude and he's starting to ooze and the cops are probably coming.
Speaker B:But also like, my feet hurt, my.
Speaker A:Feet hurt and my hand tingles, my.
Speaker B:Hand tingles and I'm probably diabetic.
Speaker B:So he makes chocolate milk and cyanide and killed himself.
Speaker B:And that's how he ended up for poor Sheila to find him in the backyard.
Speaker B:The cops then did find Mark's body and head under 3ft of concrete in his shower stall.
Speaker B:His hands and feet were found.
Speaker B:Words get back to the Fort Lauderdale police who realize that this terrified, beaten up girl that showed up in their police station was probably, yeah, telling the goddamn truth, Right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But also maybe Mary Ellen was running away for.
Speaker B:For a reason.
Speaker B:So in the Tampa Bay Times, after the truth came to light, Mary Ellen's father was quoted as saying, she's a pretty girl.
Speaker B:I don't understand why she gets herself into these things.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're gonna get more infuriated.
Speaker B:Like it gives birth, like I told you.
Speaker B:Like I was so mad about the story and it happened 50 years ago.
Speaker B:So he said he and his wife plan to have the girl checked out by a psychiatrist.
Speaker B:I think she realizes her mistakes Now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: o this content then is from a: Speaker B:This is fucking shade.
Speaker B:The biggest events in Frankfurt the week Mary Ellen was returned were the Lawrence Welk show live at the sports and convention center, religious revivals at two of the community's 38 Baptist churches, and the third time showing at the Capitol theater of the town's favorite movie, the Sound of music.
Speaker B:There were 4,100 of the state capitol citizens present to sing along My old Kentucky home with the Welk band.
Speaker B:That same night, Mary Ellen, 50 miles away in Louisville, collapsed in hysterics while talking about the macabre murder she witnessed in Miami.
Speaker B:Witness into the hospital as soon as her earlier stories whis into the hospital as soon as her earlier story is reproved to be true.
Speaker B:The girl had undergone batteries and medical tests.
Speaker B:That's fucking shady as fuck.
Speaker B:Like, like no one.
Speaker B:Like, no wonder.
Speaker B:Like she wanted to.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, granted, I wouldn't want to see the Lawrence Welk show either, but what the does that have to do with this girl who just got assaulted and like witness a guy dismembered?
Speaker A:So up.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is what long form media used to be like when we didn't have like the revolving thing.
Speaker B:So the family lawyer, Joseph J.
Speaker B:Leary, 66, had become the spokesperson for the family when they.
Speaker B:When they could learn to keep their mouth shut.
Speaker B:So Mary Ellen's mother was known to complain to her friends that she.
Speaker B:That Mary Ellen had been nothing but trouble since she was born.
Speaker B:She was an rh factor baby.
Speaker B:They had to basically empty her blood and give her a transfusion.
Speaker B:How dare this baby make so much trouble for her parents.
Speaker A:Troublemaker, True troublemaker With like, oh, but medical conditions.
Speaker B:With your medical conditions that were my fault because they come from anyways.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But people in the town said Mary and then was there her.
Speaker B:It was not her fault, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker B:So people in the town said Mary Ellen's mother was also a rebellious teenager who tried to drop out of school and get a job, but until her mother showed up and had her fired.
Speaker B:This is also why I just don't live in small towns.
Speaker B:So the townsfolk also and the lawyer were just wanting to point out that her mom and her dad were ardent Baptist church people.
Speaker B:So they were good, good Christians.
Speaker B:And so we don't know why Mary Ellen is such a troublemaker.
Speaker B: , which at that time employed: Speaker B: Right now it says it's: Speaker B:So it sounds like Mary had some serious issues at least with one of her siblings.
Speaker B:I'm going to quote the Herald again here because it's hard to tell if it's Mary Ellen's brother that said this or just this writer's horrible opinion.
Speaker B:Quote.
Speaker B:Mary Ellen, the wildest and youngest of four children and not as pretty as an older sister, was taunted upon her return by her 19 year old brother, a University of Kentucky engineering student.
Speaker B:He said she brought it on herself if her story was true.
Speaker B:An opinion the boy still holds.
Speaker B:I was not concerned at the time and I am more concerned now about what this did to my parents.
Speaker B:Parents, the brothers said.
Speaker B:When Mary Ellen gave her police report, she said her first sexual experience was with her brother when she was.
Speaker B:When he was 15 and she was 11.
Speaker B:So I'm not sure what how that even came up during the police interview.
Speaker B:Unless she was like I ran the way the.
Speaker B:Away from my house because the happened which that.
Speaker B:Yeah, I can see her saying that right then.
Speaker B:This lawyer Leary is supposed to be the family spokesperson.
Speaker B:He throws Mary Ellen even further under the bus saying this was an example how Mary Ellen liked to lie.
Speaker B:I assume he sounds like Foghorn Leghorn.
Speaker B:Well, well, I assume that's the first time I ever heard that.
Speaker B:I can't do that.
Speaker B:Just picture Foghorn Legroom saying this.
Speaker B:So I have no knowledge of any sort from which I could deuce could deduce such a thing and I don't believe it.
Speaker B:If the girl said it to me, I would tell her she was lying.
Speaker B:Larry concurs with a psychiatrist who has examined the girl and urges psychiatric treatment for her for as long as the parents can't afford it through health insurance and their combined 300 a week income.
Speaker B:With the actual.
Speaker B:What the what I mean she probably.
Speaker A:Does need some psychiatric.
Speaker B:She was raped for.
Speaker B:She was.
Speaker B:She was blocked in a in tomb and rape for two days while someone dismembered a person in front of her.
Speaker B:I would say therapy.
Speaker B:Like I know this is the 70s and we're not like really into like therapy and yet but come on.
Speaker B:So in regards to Mary Ellen being in the hospital, Larry said the idea of keeping her in the hospital is to afford her the benefit of whatever physical and Psychological care she may have need of.
Speaker B:They had given her a brain scan and the doctor did not imply but did not eliminate the possibility that she has a brain tumor.
Speaker B:I don't want you to report that and if you do, I will deny it.
Speaker B:Two days later he said he had not heard from the doctor.
Speaker B:I am certain if they discovered a tumor they would have reported it to me.
Speaker B:What the is a tumor have to do with anything?
Speaker B:I don't, I don't know.
Speaker B:So they planned on keeping her in the hospital for at least another week.
Speaker B:And the police were planning on bringing her photographs to look at, which I'm sure she enjoyed.
Speaker B:She was not given any real clothes.
Speaker B:She was forced to wear a pink nightgown, which is just hell in itself and bedroom slippers.
Speaker B:I mean mad.
Speaker B:So it depends on the nightgown.
Speaker B:It just depends on it, but probably really mad.
Speaker B:So she said she wanted to leave and go play softball.
Speaker B:So the lawyer was trying to keep her sealed off since she had run off twice before.
Speaker B:She ended up in Florida in June after she, she and three of her friends met in summer school which she was taking after having flunked her freshman year.
Speaker B:They ran off to Bowman Green, Kentucky, which is about 150 miles from Frankfurt.
Speaker B:But school just didn't hold her interest unless the subject was cool.
Speaker B:And there was a lot of cool subjects.
Speaker B:So it wasn't any surprise like after that Bowling Green trip that they dropped her off at math class and she walked through the front door and the other side into the car with her friends that they went to Bowling Green with.
Speaker B:So there was two boys and a girl.
Speaker B:So I don't know they were coupled up or not, but one of the car was owned by the boys and they were like it, we're going to Florida.
Speaker B:So that they left summer school, went off to Florida.
Speaker B:That was July 11th.
Speaker B:They made it to Fort Lauderdale two days later.
Speaker B:That's where they met 16 year old Mark Bernard who and Matt.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker B:The lawyer is trying to justify Mark.
Speaker B:Mark Burner Matson.
Speaker B:The lawyer was trying to justify Mary Elle him being like she was a non conformist.
Speaker B:She was not entirely a one man woman.
Speaker B:I would like to remind you that Mary Ellen is 16.
Speaker B:So she met a cute boy and she wanted to hang out with him because she's 16, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Mark was also from a small town, Washington Courthouse, Ohio and described as a typical boy.
Speaker B:He just showed his ornerist sometimes by his cousin Wally Matson.
Speaker B:His father was a corrections officer and his mother was a nurse.
Speaker B:His grandmother described him as a good boy, a homie boy, and, you know, just seems like a really, like, normal kid.
Speaker B:Played basketball, didn't really have a lot of.
Speaker B:They said some not great things about him.
Speaker B:Just, like, not flattering stuff that, like, look, your friend dies, like, say nice in the paper about them, so I'm gonna repeat.
Speaker B:Like, you don't need to say the things that are just, like, rude, like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So his parents, so had just made it to Fort Lauderdale to conduct searches for him after they heard a Kentucky girl said she had murdered Mark's wallet.
Speaker B:And I'm not sure if they heard that from Mary Ellen, like, if she tried calling them to, like, try and get her story heard and they didn't believe it or if the police called and sold him, but.
Speaker B:So they came to Fort Lauderdale, like, looking for him, but when they got there, that's when they had just been found in the concrete.
Speaker B:So Mark's father was at least proud that he tried to protect the girl, and he was a man about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is really sad.
Speaker B:Bad, but.
Speaker B:So in the autopsy on Bruss, the Dade Medical Examiner's office found no physical cause for emotional or mental illness.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:They cremate him.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:I don't give a stuff.
Speaker B:But I also don't know what happened to Mary Ellen.
Speaker B:I hope she got to live a good life in somewhere, but she's happy.
Speaker A:With people that believed her, with people that.
Speaker B:I hope she left her.
Speaker B:Sorry, Mary Ellen, but your family sounds kind of shitty.
Speaker B:I hope you found some good people and you had some good times for real.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, so don't hitchhike.
Speaker B:I don't care what the statistics say.
Speaker B:Yeah, it also, like, don't get into vans without windows.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that that should be known by now, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, I would hope so.
Speaker B:But I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It sucks for Mark and, you know, it's.
Speaker B:And also, just in case they.
Speaker B:They do think that's the only, like, murder of this guy, this virgin committed.
Speaker B:Like, he just.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:He was locked up for a lot of his life and then just kind of, like, was a small.
Speaker A:Lost his mind and then did that.
Speaker B:Yeah, small dude.
Speaker B:He just never anybody because he.
Speaker B:It's kind of like the 70s version of an incel.
Speaker B:I think, like, and just, like, gross.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So don't get in cars.
Speaker B:Gross people.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker A:We don't have a ton of cats, but I've got a couple.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Casting couch.
Speaker C:Is the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:A couple folks for Our casting couch today.
Speaker A:Tony is played by Bradley Stryker.
Speaker A:He's been in episodes of Mad TV, General Hospital, angel, the O.C.
Speaker A:arrested Development, CSI New York, Smallville Fringe, iZombie.
Speaker A:He was a.
Speaker A:He was on a few episodes in a row.
Speaker A:Van Helsing and 91 1- Lone Star.
Speaker A:He was also Eddie.
Speaker A:Oh, go ahead.
Speaker B:No, no, I thought.
Speaker B:You're not gonna.
Speaker A:No, Eddie.
Speaker A:In Terrifier three, I'm gonna say, like.
Speaker B:His name sounds either.
Speaker B:Like he's an action figure, a spy, maybe a porn star.
Speaker B:I'm Brandon Striker.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he just looks kind of familiar.
Speaker A:And I was like.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I just know, like, he's done a.
Speaker B:Lot of stuff that we watch for sure.
Speaker A:And then Brit was played by Celia Reed.
Speaker A:She's been in episodes of Almost Human, the Magicians, and she was in a few episodes of Arrow.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:So that's what we got.
Speaker A:So I think for this week, I think this episode is really drawn.
Speaker A:Last week really kind of started it, and this was really driving it.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, like, oh, you thought last week's episode was weird?
Speaker B:Wait until you get a load of this week's episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, no shit.
Speaker A:No, for real.
Speaker A:But I think that what we're seeing, what is now, like, more clear to me, I think, is we're driving that.
Speaker A:The theme right now for the.
Speaker A:I won't say for the season, but this arc that we're on right now is all about getting rid of the Mark of Kane.
Speaker A:So that's what we're on.
Speaker B:Part of it.
Speaker B:I mean, I think we've got that, and then we've got, like, Metatron also just, like, kind of like what the Mark represents, too.
Speaker B:Like, we got morality.
Speaker B:We've got and, like, you know, family.
Speaker B:And what does it mean when you leave things we've got?
Speaker B:Because we've got this whole, like, new Claire and cast situation and Rowena and Crowley and.
Speaker B:Yeah, so we've got some.
Speaker B:Those are, like, new things.
Speaker B:And honestly, like, I.
Speaker B:I just let you know.
Speaker B:No, I don't even want to watch next week's episode.
Speaker A:Oh, great.
Speaker A:Don't tell me that.
Speaker A:Sorry, boo.
Speaker B:But yeah, next week's episode, we're going back to Bummerland.
Speaker B:And, like, this episode wasn't a bummer.
Speaker B:And I don't think last week's was.
Speaker B:They were just weird.
Speaker B:They're not particularly, like.
Speaker B:I mean, they're not great joining.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's part of the issue.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's so human, and it makes it hard.
Speaker B:It was almost.
Speaker B:It makes it harder, which is, you know, I'm sure a thing.
Speaker B:Like, it's, like, for me, like, it's.
Speaker B:It's so much.
Speaker A:You don't mind monsters.
Speaker A:You just hate shitty humans.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker B:I hate shitty.
Speaker B:Like, it's so much worse.
Speaker B:Like, you know, it's.
Speaker A:So we're talking about shitty humans before we start recording.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a lot of.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:And Sam's hair is.
Speaker B:At least it was hot when it was wet.
Speaker B:Eyeliner.
Speaker B:That's about what I got to say.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Anything else?
Speaker A:No, that's all I got.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers, Derek.
Speaker A:Cheers, bitch.
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Speaker A:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker A:That's where I'm going to go when I die?
Speaker B:When I die and they lay me the best?
Speaker A:I'm going to go to the place that.
