11:10 The Devil in the Details
Here comes Season 11, Episode 10: The Devil in the Details, where everybody is trying to get in somebody. Sam is forced to witness his awkward teenage years, we're forced to witness an Amelia flashback, and Cas is forced to wear the world's most awkward brand on his chest. Liz discusses the medieval torture device known as the Scold's Bridle, also referred to as the witch’s bridle, a gossip’s bridle, a brank’s bridle, or simply the branks. Hop on one foot indeed.
An AI robot who might have listened to a different episode said: Diana and Liz's insightful commentary provides a rich backdrop to the episode's events, inviting listeners to contemplate the broader implications of the narrative while retaining an engaging dialogue throughout.
Research Links
- The Scold's Bridle | Lancaster Castle : Lancaster Castle
- The Horrible Medieval Weapon That Was Used To Torture Wives
- Object of the month - Scold's Bridle - Museum of Witchcraft and Magic
- The Branks: A Chilling Artifact of Medieval Torture -
- Hold yer tongue | National Trust for Scotland
- Our Legal Heritage: The Branks or Scold’s Bridle | Scottish Legal News
- Scold's bridle - Wikipedia
- No Gossiping, Gluttony, Lying, or Eavesdropping! European Metal Masks Would Shame You into Good Behavior | Ancient Origins
- Scold’s Bridles: 12 Torturous and Humiliating Shame Masks of the Middle Ages (In Pics) | Ancient Origins
- Scolding Brides and Bridling Scolds: Taming the Woman's Unruly Member on JSTOR
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:It's skanks and skulls and shrews and smite sites.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And we're going to Talk Season 11, Episode 10, the Devil in the Details.
Speaker A:It is the devil is Sometime in the Details.
Speaker A:Sometime in Detail magazine too.
Speaker B:All the details.
Speaker B:All the details.
Speaker B:What do you.
Speaker B:What have you been up to, Liz?
Speaker A:Oh, you probably should.
Speaker A:You should go first because.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You sure?
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what have you been up to?
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:No, I actually went.
Speaker B:Did a lot this weekend.
Speaker A:We were supposed to discuss these things before.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:So we're on top of things.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Terrible.
Speaker B:Terrible.
Speaker B:It's like we've never done this before.
Speaker A:Not enough.
Speaker A:300 and something times, right?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I had a very active few days.
Speaker B:I went and saw a new Dallas punk band called the Gotten.
Speaker B:I went and saw a known Dallas punk band called Noogie who are great.
Speaker B:And you've seen them and they were awesome.
Speaker B:And then I went and saw.
Speaker B:Went to our.
Speaker B:Our friend's rum distillery, pop up for National Rum Day to have some island getaway rum and a little tiki hideaway spot.
Speaker B:And then saw pinata protest and I saw vandeliers.
Speaker B:And then I went and saw Sarper Gouven from Night Day fiance do stand up comedy.
Speaker B:Just a few days.
Speaker B:Yeah, so it's a busy few days.
Speaker B:A lot of things.
Speaker A:That's exciting.
Speaker B:I'm tired.
Speaker A:Yeah, I bet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So what you got, Liz?
Speaker A:Oh, so I haven't been doing anything here, but I am getting ready for this upcoming weekend, which is the Supernatural convention in Austin.
Speaker A:So I will be there Friday.
Speaker A:Friday is the only day I will be there probably.
Speaker A:But I'm doing the meet and greet with Chad Lindbergh.
Speaker A:So I'm going to stalk Ash.
Speaker A:So that will be fun.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah, that panel that day, I think Elena is on a panel.
Speaker A:And who else is?
Speaker A:I think Brianna and Kim.
Speaker A:Maybe Jim Beaver might be that day.
Speaker A:I'm not sure.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So it's just the first day of the con, so there's always a quiet day.
Speaker A:But I kind of like that too.
Speaker A:So it'll be.
Speaker A:There's less people and sometimes like it's more.
Speaker A:It's more people who are like there for like the true people.
Speaker A:Like I feel like the weekends, a lot of people who just kind of wander in off the street like they were Like, I saw in the Chronicle that there is going to be this Supernatural convention thing, and I thought I would check it out and thought it might be cool.
Speaker A:And I think the ones that are on Friday are like, I forget what Yalls term is, but, like, just the people who are like.
Speaker A:Like, y' all have the gold badges and, you know, like, you're in it.
Speaker A:You were in it, and this is not your first con and you're like, you know, so it's.
Speaker A:It's a different vibe, so.
Speaker B:Well, I'm bummed I have to miss this year.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or very bummed you won't be there.
Speaker A: t the meet and greets at like: Speaker A:I honestly, probably not.
Speaker A:I would not have known.
Speaker A:I just figured it was gonna be in the evening because it's Chad Lindberg and.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I also could never figure out how to find the tickets for his ghost hunt because he's doing the badass ghost hunt Thursday night.
Speaker A:So there.
Speaker A:But I couldn't find where the tickets were that for that were.
Speaker A:And it's like $300.
Speaker B:That's expensive.
Speaker B:Ghost hunt.
Speaker A:For a ghost hunt.
Speaker A:Like, sorry, man.
Speaker A:Like, no, no, I'm sure, like, you get extra special stuff on your ghost hunt.
Speaker A:He also is on, like, a ghost hunter show now.
Speaker A:I forgot.
Speaker A:Oh, ghost something.
Speaker A:Ghost something.
Speaker A:Ghost is in the title.
Speaker A:I know that.
Speaker A:And I know, like, some of the people.
Speaker A:Like, I read.
Speaker A:I read some of the comments and some of them were not kind, oh.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, ghosts.
Speaker B:I feel like ghost shows are a very specific genre and people have expectations on those.
Speaker B:And that audience is probably particular.
Speaker A:Well, some of the audiences.
Speaker B:And then you're probably getting.
Speaker A:Some of the audience thought that some of the reactions may not have been genuine.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, it's.
Speaker A:I. I will.
Speaker A:I intend to try and watch some.
Speaker B:Of it before I.
Speaker A:Before I sit.
Speaker B:Because before you have your meeting.
Speaker A:Also, like, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm sure other people will sign up.
Speaker A:There weren't any other bids.
Speaker A:Did we.
Speaker A:Did we do one where there was just us before?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I was like, I don't.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:We thought there was going to be, though.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Maybe that was it.
Speaker A:And then I bet, like, the gold.
Speaker A:I bet the gold people and the silver people then just get to go to, like, whatever panels they want to go to.
Speaker A:I think that's how that works.
Speaker A:So I'm sure it will fill up and it will not just be me and my friend sitting there as I Awkwardly ask him about his mullets.
Speaker A:So, like, which one's your favorite mullet?
Speaker B:Are we best friends now?
Speaker A:So we're gonna talk about skanks.
Speaker A:All right, so I have this.
Speaker A:You want to do a podcast about skanks.
Speaker A:So for context on that, if you did not know Chad Lindbergh played Jesse in the first Fast and the Furious, and if you've not listened to these past episodes, I do have an obsession with the ladies, who I will affectionately term the skanks who are in all the Fast and the Furious episodes as, like, car hoes.
Speaker A:And most of them are not that, like, so I'm just fascinated with it by them and, like, their stories and who were real and who were real hoes, you know?
Speaker A:Like, I just.
Speaker A:I gotta know.
Speaker A:And he still goes to all that car.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like, he's.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:So I know, like, he knows the real cars, gangs, and, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm probably not gonna ask him about his acting at all, am I?
Speaker B:No, not at all.
Speaker A:Yeah, the Mark Shepard ones were go.
Speaker A:Like, his.
Speaker A:His meet and greet was going for, like, 300 each.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The Jensen and Jared ones were, like, over 600.
Speaker B:I'm not surprised.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not surprised.
Speaker A:One day I. I will.
Speaker A:I'll splurge in one of those.
Speaker A:Maybe, like, next year when we're, like, closing it.
Speaker A:Because we'll be closing this out, actually.
Speaker A:At least we'll be at 15 seasons.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker A: No, they're not coming in: Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:We're not doing Austin.
Speaker B:We'll have to go somewhere.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll have to.
Speaker A:We'll find someplace cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so let's talk about the.
Speaker B:Devil in the details.
Speaker A:This was season 11.
Speaker A:We are in season 11, episode 10.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:It was directed by Thomas J. Wright, who we saw this season direct, baby.
Speaker A:He also did the director commentary for that.
Speaker A:So if you have the blu Ray or DVDs, you.
Speaker A:And that way you get to watch the intros, so.
Speaker A:Which is nice.
Speaker A:My friend said that he saw, like.
Speaker A:He saw.
Speaker A:Still saw, like, the road so far on his.
Speaker A:And I was like, maybe Netflix is just screwing with us because we watch it so much.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Stop helping us, Netflix.
Speaker A:This is written by Andrew Dab, who this season did form and Void, which was episode two.
Speaker A:And we're gonna start off with Christmas at the Crowleys.
Speaker B:Yeah, we get a very nostalgic.
Speaker B:I gave very Christmas story vibes.
Speaker B:Nostalgia Christmas scene with Crowley in, like, little kid pajamas.
Speaker B:Rowena Looking a little shell shocked and not very happy.
Speaker B:Walking down the stairs with a Rudolph.
Speaker B:Blinking Rudolph nose and reindeer antler headband on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I put my cat in those one year.
Speaker A:And I had a really great video of her running around to that.
Speaker A:And that's what Rowena reminds me.
Speaker A:Me up.
Speaker A:So Crowley is unwrapping his presents, and he got a Sam.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:He got a Funko Pop Sam.
Speaker A:He got a Funko Pop Sam.
Speaker B:And then Santa breaks in the front door.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Is Santa Satan.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is Santa Satan Santa.
Speaker B:And he has a giant candy cane in his sack that he.
Speaker B:Man, this sounds dirty.
Speaker B:And he pulls it out and he stabs Crowley.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:He just pokes him right with that start.
Speaker A:That shark that big.
Speaker A:The big candy cane.
Speaker A:Even though Crowley was a good boy.
Speaker A:And he gives Rowena for dreaming about Christmas.
Speaker A:And she is like, this is more like a nightmare.
Speaker A:These antlers do not come off, which is hilarious.
Speaker B:And she wants to know who he is.
Speaker B:And he shows.
Speaker B:Pulls his fake beard down to show that he is Lucifer.
Speaker B:And she gets giddy again because she's got the house.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we go from that to the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:I'm calling it the Cage, even though I know it's not the cage.
Speaker B:It's like the second cage.
Speaker A:It's the cage part do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so in there, saying we're kind of like, recapping some of the things that happened at the end of last week's episode, but really, Sam is going through is like, oh, crap.
Speaker A:It was not God that was sending me these visions.
Speaker A:It was Lucifer.
Speaker B:Oopsies.
Speaker B:And apparently Rowena did as she was told.
Speaker B:She was in on this and in on this plan because she's a groupie.
Speaker A:Rowena did something evil.
Speaker A:I am so surprised.
Speaker B:Right, well.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, well, it's always.
Speaker B:Because I know how this ends.
Speaker B:I'm gonna resist you.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then Dean's going to come save me.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker A:Jesse, wait.
Speaker A:My big brother is going to be here soon, and he's going to come and he's going to kick your ass.
Speaker A:So you just wait till my big brother gets home.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Lucifer is amused and is like, look, I'm not.
Speaker B:I have no interest in torturing you.
Speaker B:That was so five years ago.
Speaker B:But I'm also like, I'm going to make you an offer that you can't refuse.
Speaker A:And at least here, like, we're getting.
Speaker A:At least Sam is showing some faith in Dean.
Speaker A:So at least that's Kind of a nice thing that's happening.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, I'm good for this side as Sam.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And for this, Sam sort of sticking up for himself, being like, nah, like, we're not doing this again.
Speaker A:You like, I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm gonna say no.
Speaker A:So why.
Speaker A:Why are we doing this?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But I have to take my head.
Speaker A:Boop.
Speaker B:Anyways, so he's gonna get his head booped.
Speaker B:And it's interesting that that's the perspective.
Speaker B:So Sam's like, have a spine.
Speaker B:And now we're gonna get a whole, like, episode, essentially, not to, like, jump right.
Speaker B:Of Lucifer trying to convince Sam that he doesn't have a spine by not being more decisive.
Speaker B:AKA caving.
Speaker A:But so basically calling him a chicken.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So through this, though, Lucifer is like, look, I've been going through all your memories.
Speaker A:Like, I thought I had daddy issues.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:Which is always funny because he's Lucifer, you know, so.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But so we see teenage Sam.
Speaker A:So this is a memory where we have stopped in the Rolodex of Sam's hat.
Speaker A:Teenage Sam with a girl at a picnic table.
Speaker B:And then we cut to Rowena and Crowley.
Speaker B:And her hair and makeup are so good in this scene.
Speaker B:And I know you always commented, so I'm going to beat you to it for once, because it stood out to me.
Speaker B:And I made a big note about Chef's kiss.
Speaker B:She had, like, this green shadow.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:And her hair's piled up on top.
Speaker B:It's just so good.
Speaker B:Anyways, so she's like, Crowley's threatening her, and she's like, whatever, this is Hell.
Speaker B:This belongs to Lucifer.
Speaker B:And so do I.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, how long?
Speaker B:He wants to know how long she's been working for Lucifer.
Speaker B:And she's like, oh, he came to me in a dream.
Speaker B:So it's sexy.
Speaker B:But Crowley is kind of like, by talking, and he's not impressed.
Speaker B:But he's like, also, I'm bad, but Lucifer's way worse.
Speaker B:Last time, I'm gonna stop you, because.
Speaker A:He said it in a sexy way that I would, like, have as a sound bite on my phone to go to sleep.
Speaker A:Because he's like, I'm a bad thing.
Speaker A:He's the worst thing.
Speaker A:But the I'm a bad thing, like, was good.
Speaker B:Well, he explains that last time Lucifer was topside, he, AKA on Earth or outside of the cage, he wanted death for everything, including them in Hell.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So, no.
Speaker A:So Lucifer bad.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And she's like, he's changed.
Speaker B:Like, they all say.
Speaker A:Well, and see, also, Crowley had a point earlier, too, which is something.
Speaker A:And we'll come around to this with the.
Speaker A:I. I really don't like the side of, like, whatever is happening with Rowena here.
Speaker A:Like, the fangirly Lucifer thing, because he.
Speaker A:Crowley was like, what happened to your girl power?
Speaker A:Like, mega coven shit.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And, Rowena, you are a badass.
Speaker A:So why the.
Speaker A:Are you letting Lucifer tell you what to do?
Speaker A:He's right, you know, so.
Speaker A:And why are you like, oh, he's going to defeat the darkness, ascend to heaven, and then I'm gonna Queen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So sit next to him.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So that's happening.
Speaker A:And we're to go from there to Into Baby.
Speaker B:Yeah, because Dean's driving and he's trying to call Sam because he doesn't know that Sam is in cage two.
Speaker B:Cage 2.0.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we get a very funny voice.
Speaker B:We get to hear a very funny voicemail where Sam did not record his own voicemail message.
Speaker B:Dean recorded it for him.
Speaker A:And the message says, sam can't come to the phone because he is waxing everything.
Speaker B:And then he tries to call Crowley and he gets a voicemail again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that number 666 has to get crank called all the time.
Speaker A:I. I would not do that.
Speaker A:But for.
Speaker A:If you want to get a demon deal, you press one.
Speaker A:And if you want to report a sighting of that ginger hooter Rowena, then you press 2.
Speaker A:I actually saw, like, a Scottish spelling of horror last this week, and it was H U R E. And it made me really happy.
Speaker A:And that's how, like, Crowley should have said that there, because he's talking to Ruben.
Speaker A:Anyways, so then the road in front of Dean gets all wavy gravy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's real wobbly.
Speaker B:It looks.
Speaker B:It would make me sick, too, because he pulled over and pukes then.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Maybe that's why we're feeling bad.
Speaker A:Are we feeling bad?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker A:I felt kind of nauseous the past couple of days, and I think it's the wavy gravy of this episode that's.
Speaker B:We'll blame.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:There should have been a warning.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, if you're going to get a seizure, like, warning, you make it nauseous.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he pulls over, puking.
Speaker B:Cass pulls up because apparently he.
Speaker B:Castiel called him in.
Speaker B:Dean called Cass somewhere in this midst of all these phone calls, too.
Speaker B:And he's inspecting Dean's eyes and his tongue and asks how far they are from the incident.
Speaker B:He says they're about a mile away from where the mega smiting smote moment was supposed to happen.
Speaker B:And apparently, this is smiting sickness, so.
Speaker B:And I literally wrote, lol.
Speaker B:Wtf?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean has got yield smiting sickness.
Speaker A:And the last time that there was something that had this much of a magnitude of angel juice, Lot's wife turned to salt.
Speaker A:So, basically, it's like a radioactive fallout, and it comes from all.
Speaker A:All of the angels power, all the angel smiting.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I mean, it's funny, but.
Speaker A:No, it's funny.
Speaker B:As I was dying, I was like, what?
Speaker B:Smiting sickness?
Speaker B:So Cass is like, I'm gonna go see if the smiting worked on Amara, because we probably need to find that out.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, smiting sickness does not affect angels.
Speaker B:It does not.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So only Dean cannot go.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so Dean is going to start looking for Sam again.
Speaker B:But he stops and tells Cass that if he does find Amara dead, to bring out her body.
Speaker B:And if she's.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And if she's not dead.
Speaker B:Run.
Speaker A:Why do you want her body, Dean?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's real creepy, right?
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:And why.
Speaker A:Why would you say that?
Speaker A:That's just.
Speaker A:That's so strange.
Speaker B:Super sauce.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, but then we go back to Sam's memory where Sam is hitting on this girl by explaining Mayan sacrifice to her, which would work on me.
Speaker A:And I'm like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker B:I don't think it's gonna work on this young lady.
Speaker B:And she does.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker B:You never know.
Speaker A:I don't think she really cares.
Speaker A:I think she just, like, shut up and put your tongue in my mouth.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he does ask.
Speaker B:Apparently, he went there last year on a working vacation and asked if she's ever heard of a Chupacabra.
Speaker A:So John took Sam and Dean on a trip to Mexico to haunt Chupacabra when they were teenagers.
Speaker A:So chalk that up into the Winchester allure.
Speaker A:And then the girl is like, I don't care about the temples.
Speaker A:Can I please, like, touch you now?
Speaker B:I would like to make out with you.
Speaker B:Please.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they start making out.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Lucifer is like, See?
Speaker B:Like, that's you being bold and decisive.
Speaker A:No, she kissed him.
Speaker A:Like, he just took a kiss.
Speaker A:What do you mean, bold and decisive?
Speaker B:He wanted to talk about Chichen Itza.
Speaker A:Or whatever comes up.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so then we start seeing.
Speaker A:Okay, so Lucifer is.
Speaker A:This is his head game with Sam.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so they're gonna go back to our Bunker.
Speaker A:And Dean is looking for Sam, who's not there because he's in cage number two.
Speaker B:And Crowley calls and apparently informs Dean that there has been a hiccup.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And that Sam is in hell in the k. In a cage with Lucifer.
Speaker B:Oopsies.
Speaker B:So we go back to the cage.
Speaker A:Oh, the memories.
Speaker A:Well, technically, we're in the cage.
Speaker A:We're in the head inside the cage.
Speaker A:And we go back to Stol cemetery.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So we have like a flashback to good old.
Speaker A:Good old Gates of Hell.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:And we're getting a whole like, ass butt flashback.
Speaker A:Just good old days where God, they were just throwing molotovs and throwing Sam's brother into a hole.
Speaker A:There's Adam.
Speaker A:He's right there.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:He is right there.
Speaker A:Can you.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:A reminder that Adam was also thrown into the cage.
Speaker B:Clearly a reminder of this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You will do anything to get your brother back.
Speaker A:But not that one.
Speaker A:But not that.
Speaker B:So not that one.
Speaker B:That doesn't count.
Speaker B:And we continue with Lucifer telling Sam that he has gone soft.
Speaker B:Then we have our.
Speaker B:Castiel is wandering through the woods and has found the smite site, which is.
Speaker B:I had to giggle at myself.
Speaker B:I was proud of it.
Speaker B:And it's nighttime, though, when it was daytime when he started this search.
Speaker B:And we see this other chick there.
Speaker B:It's Ambriel.
Speaker B:And she is an angel.
Speaker A:Horrible name.
Speaker B:It's terrible.
Speaker B:And she's an Amriel.
Speaker A:Sounds like she's got a flat hat.
Speaker B:And a really chess board or a pharmacy or a pharmaceutical ad on television.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But she is.
Speaker A:She is adorable.
Speaker A:I do really appreciate Amber the angel.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:And she works as a birth and death stats angel.
Speaker B:So she is a number cruncher.
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, heaven wants to know if.
Speaker B:If the darkness is destroyed.
Speaker B:And she's kind of scared of Cass, but not super scared.
Speaker B:So she's like, maybe we'll search together.
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, but everything looks normal so far.
Speaker A:He's like, it's night time and it's daytime.
Speaker A:So that's a problem.
Speaker B:It's us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also Cass is kind of annoyed that everybody in heaven is talking.
Speaker A:Talking kind of about him, Right?
Speaker A:And he's sort of starting to pick this up.
Speaker A:He's like, what?
Speaker A:They like, say, I'm killing angels.
Speaker B:Like, that's not.
Speaker A:That's not cool.
Speaker A:Like, I'm cool Cass.
Speaker A:I'm a cool mom.
Speaker A:So we go from there back to Nebraska because Dean has made it to Kennesaw, Nebraska, which is almost a five hour Drive from Lawrence.
Speaker A:Because I did look it on the Google Maps them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he calls Cass and leaves a voicemail, and he's like, look, I know you're on a mission, but I need you in Nebraska because I'm going to hell.
Speaker B:And he knocks on this metal door, and this little slider opens.
Speaker B:And they ask for a password, and.
Speaker A:He doesn't want to do it.
Speaker A:No password.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:They insist.
Speaker B:And he has to sing.
Speaker B:Sing a song he doesn't sing Captain Ladies.
Speaker B:Yeah, so it's pretty funny.
Speaker B:He sings it very begrudgingly, but it works.
Speaker B:And they let him in.
Speaker B:And it's Billy.
Speaker B:It's Billy.
Speaker B:He thinks that she's a demon at first and then realizes that it's the Reaper Billy that he had heard about before.
Speaker B:And he's like, wait.
Speaker B:You want to.
Speaker B:My brother said you want to kill us?
Speaker B:And she's like, no, no, I don't want to kill you.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna make sure you stay dead next time you die.
Speaker A:That's just how it is.
Speaker A:And so we, you know, get some more of this.
Speaker A:Like, this is the first time they're meeting, but we're getting kind of more of like, okay, Billy, don't take no shit.
Speaker A:And he is like, oh, you're working for Crowley.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, I work with Crowley.
Speaker A:I'm like, not for him.
Speaker A:And she's like, here is a box with a limey.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so she gives him this giant wooden box, opens the doors and this door and with these sigils on it, and sends Dean through.
Speaker A:So this goes down the stairwell to hell.
Speaker B:Holding a big box.
Speaker A:Holding a big box, which I would trip over and fall down those stairs.
Speaker A:There's no way.
Speaker A:Like, you know, they're not even.
Speaker B:You have to use the handrail.
Speaker B:You need a handrail.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Especially those old, like, castle steps.
Speaker A:Like, they're just.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:They're not even.
Speaker A:Like, you want to think they are, and they're not an even space, like.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So, you know, that box is not balanced.
Speaker B:And so it's gonna be even harder.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then you, like, would break it.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we're gonna go from there back to Termite Tux, Texas.
Speaker A:And Amelia.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're gonna have.
Speaker B:The next memory is Sam and Amelia and the dog.
Speaker B:And they're discussing that really, really, really whole up scenario about the.
Speaker B:How she thought her dude was dead, but then he wasn't.
Speaker B:That was real upsetting.
Speaker B:And then Lucifer tells Sam that this was the worst thing Sam ever did by leaving Dean in Purgatory for this chick and this dog.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, but we promised we wouldn't look for each other.
Speaker A:We were on it just.
Speaker A:Yes, Tam, You.
Speaker A:We have heard this excuse from you before, right?
Speaker A:You still have not owned up to the fact that you just told your brother you die, basically.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, and Lucifer is just, like, still, like, pushing on this button, right?
Speaker B:And he's like, just trying to manipulate him so hard.
Speaker B:And he points out that, like, Dean even tried to talk you out of closing the gates of Hell.
Speaker B:Do you remember all this?
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:And he's like, y' all would do anything to save each other.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Even with the mark, you knew this would risk other people.
Speaker B:Like, you always put that ahead of everything.
Speaker B:So why.
Speaker B:Why would you not do that now?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:You know, it's basically this.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They always choose each other just over the greater good, no matter how bad the situation is or how much it'll hurt.
Speaker B:Innocence.
Speaker A:Well, and he's changed to that.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And so Lucifer is playing on Sam's guilt.
Speaker A:Like, but, like, it's like a guilt, right?
Speaker A:And it starts off with going like, okay, you're guilty because, like, it's just.
Speaker A:So you're guilty because you left Dean in Purgatory, and you're guilty because you used to do anything for the greater good, but now you're so guilty because you left Dean in Purgatory that now you're not doing anything for the greater good.
Speaker A:You're only doing it to save your brother.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Sam's had explodes, just like ours does, and you just tell Lucifer, shut the fuck up.
Speaker A:But he does not.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:Instead, he's just like.
Speaker A:Comes back with a really good line because he's just like, look, man, if you want to win again, the Darkness, you got to be willing to die.
Speaker A:You got to watch everyone you love die.
Speaker A:And snapping necks and cash and checks is what I do.
Speaker B:I almost died when he said that.
Speaker B:I was like, did Lucifer just say snap and necks and cash and checks?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:He did what?
Speaker A:That was pretty amazing.
Speaker B:I mean, it's kind of awesome.
Speaker B:And it's also absurd.
Speaker A:Absurd.
Speaker A:It is absurd.
Speaker A:But Lucifer is really like.
Speaker A:I feel like not just like Mark playing him.
Speaker A:I feel like Lucifer, the character is really getting kind of like some moments to show in.
Speaker A:In like his just.
Speaker A:I don't know, just his.
Speaker A:His language and etc.
Speaker A:Things here.
Speaker B:Well, his personality and the level of manipulation, I think really just is.
Speaker B:Is interesting to see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So we get back to Hell.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And a Butler is delivering tea to Rowena and Crowley.
Speaker B:And they both say at the same time they like honey and a splash of milk.
Speaker B:And then Crowley's grossed out that they like the same thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And said it exactly the same time.
Speaker A:So he goes to vomit.
Speaker A:Then we go back to the smite site.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Where Cass is talking to Ambriel about how he really didn't want to be hated.
Speaker B:And she's like, it's fine.
Speaker B:We have a lot in common.
Speaker B:Our names rhymes.
Speaker B:We both look good in trench coats, and we're both expendable.
Speaker A:He's like, what.
Speaker A:What was that last one?
Speaker B:She's like, I'm a number cruncher.
Speaker B:You help Sam and Dean and.
Speaker B:But you're kind of sidekick, so, like.
Speaker A:That'S why you're here.
Speaker A:Like, if you weren't expendable, you wouldn't be in the spike site, Right?
Speaker B:Oh, Amber's, like, a little, like, too honest for her own good, but at least she's self aware, I guess.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's a lot.
Speaker A:Abrielle doesn't have a filter.
Speaker A:But that's okay.
Speaker A:And that's why I like her.
Speaker A:And I'm sad about what's gonna happen.
Speaker B:She's at.
Speaker B:She's at peace with this situation.
Speaker A:And ca.
Speaker A:Like, I'm awkward now.
Speaker A:I'll catch up with you later.
Speaker B:So Dean has made his way downstairs.
Speaker B:He made it down.
Speaker B:Hidden ball.
Speaker B:Let me know he's got to go back up those.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's a good question.
Speaker B:But Crowley is waiting for him.
Speaker B:Knew he was coming.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, I know that Lucifer needs moose, so he's probably not killing him, but.
Speaker B:So we should focus on Rowena right this minute.
Speaker B:Because we need her to slam Lucifer back in the big cage.
Speaker B:The main cage first.
Speaker B:And he opens this wooden box that Dean carefully carried down the stairs.
Speaker B:And it has a witch catcher inside of it.
Speaker A:That's something that looks spooky and scary.
Speaker A:And we go from there back to the smiting.
Speaker A:And poor Ambriel has found Amara.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Amara looks dead, but she's not.
Speaker B:We get a jump scare when she opens her eyes.
Speaker B:Because I definitely got jump scared.
Speaker B:I don't know if most people would consider it one.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Castiel arrives at the scene just in time to watch Amara eat Ambriel's grace.
Speaker A:Soul being sucks her.
Speaker A:Sucks her so.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She sucks her whole.
Speaker A:And she just says that she consumes her.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:She's consumed all of Ambriel.
Speaker A:And as she does that then we figure out all this darkness around them.
Speaker A:The night was amara because it flows back into her.
Speaker A:And then the sun comes out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is kind of cool.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:That's kind of creepy.
Speaker A:And when I go to.
Speaker A:I want that happen when I go to sleep.
Speaker B:The darkness seep out around you and just make it dark.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Peaceful.
Speaker B:Well, she recognizes Castiel.
Speaker B:And she's like, hey, I know you.
Speaker B:By the way, I've already consumed Ambriel and including her grace, so I'm gonna make fun of your angel blades.
Speaker B:I know what the fuck you think you're gonna do with that, though.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's just like, what the fudge?
Speaker A:Like, you just saw, like, have it all.
Speaker A:I haven't just tried to smite me.
Speaker A:And, like, you got this little, like, pick your sticker, like, what are you doing?
Speaker A:And she's like, I'm just gonna bat you around.
Speaker A:And that's what she's just like, yeah.
Speaker B:Throws him at a tree.
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, you are weak and expendable.
Speaker B:And I'm not really sure why God was ever interested in you, but God always had terrible taste in men.
Speaker B:That's brutal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:She's just burning things like right and left.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker A:But she's gonna make it work.
Speaker A:So she's like, I'm not gonna kill you.
Speaker A:I've got a job for you instead.
Speaker A:And then she's like, I'm gonna flash my hand on you.
Speaker A:And he disappears.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But she stumbles after he disappears.
Speaker B:So there's some kind of damage was done here or.
Speaker B:She's not at full strength.
Speaker B:We know that.
Speaker A:We said.
Speaker A:We don't.
Speaker A:We don't know if, like, the hand thing did that to her or just the smiting.
Speaker A:She's just, like, kind of, like, weakened from that.
Speaker A:But we go back from there, back to Nebraska, where Billy is reading Death the time of your life by Disappointing Man Neil Gaiman.
Speaker A:And that's just what I'm going to call you, Disappointing man.
Speaker A:And then we go from there, and Cass pops in, and my.
Speaker A:I had C. Like, when you type, and sometimes you, like.
Speaker A:I accidentally capitalize the A.
Speaker A:So it was like, C, capital A.
Speaker A:And I was like, what the fuck is ca?
Speaker A:Who is Ca.
Speaker A:That's popping in.
Speaker A:So Cass pops in.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He shows up.
Speaker A:Up.
Speaker B:So we know that he's probably asking to go to hell also.
Speaker B:In the meantime, in Hell, Rowena is drinking her tea with her honey and splash of milk.
Speaker B:And she is, you know, knows about Dean being there.
Speaker B:When Crowley enters Because she put a hex bag in Crowley's pocket and could listen in.
Speaker A:Of course she did.
Speaker B:And so Dean's like, yeah, it doesn't really matter anyways, so whatever.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, yeah, don't accept tea from someone who loathes you.
Speaker A:Yeah, don't drink tea in hell.
Speaker A:Yeah, I probably don't think I want to bring leg.
Speaker A:I, I At my, At Crowley's.
Speaker A:No, that's a bad idea.
Speaker B:Seems questionable.
Speaker B:So, yeah, she is poisoned and.
Speaker B:Poison, poison, poison.
Speaker B:And so they put, they use that opportunity to put this witch catcher on her, which is like this crazy spiky caller.
Speaker A:They put this thing on her and they start telling her to hop around.
Speaker A:And she's now hopping on command.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So let's talk about this witch catcher thing.
Speaker A:So it's Laura lore stuff.
Speaker A:So as far as I know, the witchcatcher is made up.
Speaker A:But it does resemble some medieval torture devices, like the collar, which had spikes all around it going into your neck so you couldn't lie down or eat.
Speaker A:And eventually, yeah, so you would you confess after bath.
Speaker A:It also resembles the instrument used in medieval times to punish those who needed to learn to hold their tongue.
Speaker A:The scold bridle.
Speaker A:Also called a witch's bridal, a gossip's bridal, a branx bridal, or just the branks.
Speaker A:It's unclear where the term branx comes from.
Speaker A:It may be some lost phrase or maybe from the French word Barnaby article.
Speaker A:So much of the source material is coming from Professor Linda E. Booses.
Speaker A:I can call your name Boost.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, that's not it.
Speaker A:Scolding brides and bridling scolds.
Speaker A:Taming the woman's unruly member.
Speaker A:And that's a.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:She's a Shakespearean author.
Speaker A:It was about taming of the shrew.
Speaker A:But that is.
Speaker A:Yeah, so, but that was a great title.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So additional sources will be in the show.
Speaker A:Notes per use.
Speaker A:So, in general, the skull's bridle could be described as an iron muzzle consisting of an iron fr.
Speaker A:Frame or mask that enclosed the head, sometimes with the addition of a mask to cover the face.
Speaker A:The bridal bit was a metal piece that extended into the mouth, preventing the wearer from speaking.
Speaker A:And the design often included a lead so you could parade the wearer around.
Speaker A:All right, so first off, what is a scold?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's not a word that we use often these days.
Speaker A: So boo cites a: Speaker A:So I get a chance to use a weird English accent.
Speaker A:So a Scold, in a legal sense is a troublesome and angry woman who by her brawling and wrangling against her neighbors, doth break the public peace and beget, cherish and increase public discord.
Speaker A:And for this she is to be presented and punish an elite by being put to the cucking or the ducking stool or tumbril, an English appointed an engine appointed for that purpose, which is in the fashion of a chair.
Speaker A:And herein she is to sit and to be let down in the water overhead and ears three or four times, so that no part of her be above the water, diving or ducking down, though against her will, as ducks do under the water.
Speaker A:So overall, a scold is a gossip, a shrew, a nag, a woman who dominates her husband, or a thousand other terms used to describe an uppity woman.
Speaker B:Drama.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Women who.
Speaker A:Women who were accused of being scold were often the poor, the outcasts, widows, and other vulnerable old people without a family for protection.
Speaker A:And so there is a lot of parallels between the women who were accused of being skulls as the ones who are being accused as witches.
Speaker A:And there are sometimes they happened at the same time.
Speaker A: medieval England, during the: Speaker A:Becoming a plague and ruining all the other women.
Speaker A:So in order to punish someone daring to break the public peace like this, they could, like, as I said in the legal summary, they could be set on cucking or ducking stools, which, okay, some of the drawings of them kind of look like fun rides because they're just like.
Speaker A:You sit on these things and they fly you out in the water and then they, like, duck you down.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:But, you know, like.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker B:You're probably under duress.
Speaker B:So it was not.
Speaker B:It wasn't.
Speaker B:It wasn't the water feature roller coaster that you think it is today?
Speaker A:No, I'm just like, it's so hot.
Speaker A:Can you dunk me again?
Speaker A:So in order to punish somebody who was daring to be a skull for breaking the public peace, as I described in the legal summary, they could be set on the cucking or the ducking stools, which are those basically the buckets that they throw you out into the river on.
Speaker A:And it's supposed to be a bad time, but it sounds like fun.
Speaker A:But they could also be made to wear a shame mask.
Speaker A:Mask.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so these masks could also.
Speaker A:They do sound terrible.
Speaker A:And they could be made like you could get creative though.
Speaker A:So some places like have them represent what you were doing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So if you were nosy, the mask could have a long, a long nose.
Speaker A:If you were gossip, it could have a long tongue.
Speaker A:Some of them liked animal things.
Speaker A:So if you were lazy, then the mask could look like a cow.
Speaker A:If you were an eavesdropper, it could be a rabbit and have big ears.
Speaker A:I mean there's also still all the other part parts that are like shoving things like metal spikes into you and things.
Speaker A:But you could look like a cow.
Speaker B:Craft project.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Of metal that's used to torture somebody.
Speaker A:But it's fun, right?
Speaker B:So totally.
Speaker A:So some of them could be like that.
Speaker A:There is this pig one that looks like it's bitching.
Speaker A:And I was like, I don't kind of want to own one of these, but I don't.
Speaker A:But I'm like, you know, it's like, oh, these are evil.
Speaker A:And also, I will say, just as these things obviously in modern times get taken over for BDSM turned, you know, fun times like people use, of course, because it's whatever people want, people do whatever, so.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:All right, so the following for this we're going to go into kind of a detail of these.
Speaker A:And this comes from The Victorian gentleman, Mr. T.N.
Speaker A:brushfield, a member of the Chester Archaeological Society in the county of Chester and a medical superintendent of the Cheshire Lunatic Asylum, who wrote presented a two part paper on obsolete punishments with particular reference to those of Cheshire, focusing on the bodily punishment punishments given to women in the 16th and 17th century English villages.
Speaker A: And this was published in: Speaker A:So this dude, like the Victorian dudes also really get into studying things that were used to torture women.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they really like writing about them because why?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Why were they writing about this shit?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So he describes some aspects contrived with hinge joints as to admit of being readily adapted to the head of the skull.
Speaker A:It was generally supplied with several connecting staples.
Speaker A:So as the suit heads of different sizes and then was secured by a padlock.
Speaker A:Affixed to the inner portion of the hoop was a piece of metal which when the instrument was properly fitted, pressed the tongue down and effectively branked or bridled it.
Speaker A:The length of the mouthpiece or the gag varied from one and a half to three inches.
Speaker A:If more than two and a half inches, the punishment would be much increased as granting the instrument was fitted tight and it would only arrest the action of the tongue, it would also create symptoms of sickness, more especially if the war, if the wearer got unruly.
Speaker A:And it really reminds me of, like, I had this, like, mouth appliance that was supposed to stop, like, increase, like bring my jaw forward when I was a kid.
Speaker A:And because when I swallow, I. I thrust my tongue forward, they put these two metal prongs on it to discourage me from thrusting my tongue forward.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna take the pain.
Speaker A:And I would just like shove my tongue into the prong anyways.
Speaker A:So the form of the gag was very diversified, the most simple being a mere flat piece of iron.
Speaker A:In some, the extremity was turned upwards and others downwards.
Speaker A:On many of the specimens, both surfaces were covered with rasp like elevations.
Speaker A:The instrument was generally painted and sometimes in different colors.
Speaker A:And the gag, though, was frequently red.
Speaker A:The bridal, used in the Manchester market to, quote, control the energetic tongues of some of the female stall keepers had alternating red and white cotton bands.
Speaker A:So they made it look.
Speaker A:That is the color of Manchester United, by the way, like, if you.
Speaker A:So like, what the Manchester.
Speaker A: And this is like the: Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:So the, the gag had a large rasp like surface in that one and that one had a chain that was 3ft long attached to the front part of the horizontal hoop.
Speaker A:So the gags commenced.
Speaker A:Like, they would also have like a bulbous thing that was covered in pens.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:There was terrible.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, this is awful, right.
Speaker A:And there was also a staple that was usually at the back part of the instrument.
Speaker A:And that way you could, you could attach that chain to it.
Speaker A:And in towns around Cheshire, England, where this, where this, this horny dude was, the bridal was passed from one city administration to the next.
Speaker A:So each time there was like a new administration coming in.
Speaker A:They're like, here's your bridal and your mace.
Speaker A:Like they would like.
Speaker A:And they would go to the town jailer, right?
Speaker A:And then in the houses, there was a hook that was filled, fixed to the side of the stove area.
Speaker A:So the husband could send for the jailer and the jailer would bring the bridle and then he would chain his.
Speaker A:His wife up until she shut the up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the exact timings and like when like they started and when they ended is a bit hard to trace.
Speaker A:As first of all, the use was never really sanctioned because it's tortured.
Speaker A:So it wasn't always entered into court documents.
Speaker A:When it was used also was used in against women.
Speaker A:So things against women are always recorded and just, you know, sometimes he will just put a bridle on Peggy.
Speaker A:And just didn't write it down.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The first time that someone mentions putting a bridle on a woman is Chaucer.
Speaker A:Well, at least that's recorded.
Speaker A:I'm sure.
Speaker A:Like someone else probably.
Speaker A:I'm sure there's a dirty thing about putting a bridle on somebody somewhere, but.
Speaker A: at we know was chaucer in the: Speaker A:And he put.
Speaker A:But for my daughter Julian, I would she were bolted with a bridle.
Speaker A:That leaves her work to play the clack and let her wield stand idle.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So we don't know if that was just a metaphor being like, I would like to tie her up like a horse.
Speaker A:Or if he was specifically being like, I'm gonna put this metal thing on her.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The use of the bridal in England, though, is thought to align with the arrival of witch hunter King James the First.
Speaker A:James VI of Scotland, who was known for his harsh punishments of women.
Speaker A:And the use of the bridal was heavily documented in Scotland during his reign in England.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A: But by the end of the: Speaker A: uarreling women in Glasgow in: Speaker A:And these following examples come from the Museum of witchcraft and magic uk.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A: In: Speaker A:So they were being politically.
Speaker B:They didn't.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Haven't been so exposed to the scorn and derision of the rabble.
Speaker A:They were turned out of the spirit City.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:You notorious scold.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Were scandalous and appropriate language to several people.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:A local farmer enclosed a woman's head to silence her clamorous tongue and led her round a field while boys girls hooted at her.
Speaker A:Nobody pitied her because she was very much disliked by her neighbors.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:I know it's so hard not to laugh at like we are.
Speaker A:Like Literally talking about the torture of women.
Speaker A:But sometimes.
Speaker A:So they also gave these.
Speaker B:Not all women are good women.
Speaker A:Sometimes you're like, well.
Speaker A:So they did give the following examples where it was associated with witchcraft activity accusation.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:And that one was described as an iron instrument with four sharp prongs forced into the mouth so that the two prongs.
Speaker A:Prongs pressed against the tongue and the other two against the cheeks.
Speaker A:She was kept without sleep, thrown with a rope around her head.
Speaker A:And only after these ordeals did she confess to the 53 and 20 indictments against her.
Speaker A:And then she was strangled and burned as a witch.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:And the records were also indicated that they could equip this one with a spiked collar to use that on the witch witches.
Speaker A:Because you can't just have the gag for the witches, you also have to have the spikes, which is similar to what we're gonna have today.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so shame, shame, shame.
Speaker A:To increase the shame.
Speaker A:Because these are shame masks.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker A:The woman was used again.
Speaker A:Sometimes there's a woman, she was paraded around town and they wanted.
Speaker A:It was like festive and carnival because there was also nothing to do in medieval town.
Speaker A:So it's like it's time to shame package.
Speaker A:And so there is a party.
Speaker A:Yeah, you little bastards.
Speaker A:It's kind of like that episode of.
Speaker A:Oh, the.
Speaker A:The Daniel Radcliffe medieval show about the apocalypse where they're watching the execution and they're just like drinking up there.
Speaker A: So There is a: Speaker A:I don't like that deferred.
Speaker A:But the bridling of Ann Vitalstone.
Speaker A:She was driven through the streets by an officer of the same corporations a business.
Speaker A:A police officer of Newcastle holding a rope in his hand, the other end fastened to an engine called the Branks, which is like a crown, it being of iron, which was muzzled over the head and face with a great gap or tongue of iron forced into her mouth, which forced the blood out.
Speaker A:And that is the punishment with the magistrates due to inflict upon chiding and scolding women.
Speaker A:Also to increase the.
Speaker A:You know, to draw more attention.
Speaker A:Sometimes they Would put bells on the top or, like, make it.
Speaker A:So there was like, whistling sounds that were coming through as she'd be like, walking through, which is like, that's really creepy.
Speaker A:It was like a woman, like, in an iron mask, whistling, coming towards you.
Speaker A:Go, thank you, sir.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so these were mainly in England, in Scotland, but they did spread through Europe in Germany.
Speaker A:That was one.
Speaker A:That one had a really good pig one that was known as the Shand Boska.
Speaker A:And it also came in into.
Speaker A:Through the colonies, along with the dunking schools.
Speaker A:Like, there's reference to one in Toni Morrison's Beloved.
Speaker A:So it was used within Slate on slaves in America, too.
Speaker A:So eventually, though, thankfully, it does fade out of popularity as the Victorians moved on to more modern forms of punishment.
Speaker A:Because they were like, those masks are barbaric.
Speaker A:No, like, of course that mask is barbaric.
Speaker A:What the do you think?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So wild.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Bridal mask fun.
Speaker A:Who would have thought?
Speaker A:Honestly, like, and we'll send you that.
Speaker A:Some of them are kind of cool looking.
Speaker A:And I feel bad being like, oh, no.
Speaker A:Why does.
Speaker A:Why did you have to be creative?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And who's.
Speaker B:Who's.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:You know, and, you know, somebody really enjoyed making that picnic.
Speaker B:Oh, clearly.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna go back to our cage where Lucifer is still.
Speaker A:Peer pressure exam.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, I can take my time, but the world is ending.
Speaker B:Sam, come on.
Speaker B:And he's like, look, you know, Gabrielle's dead, Raphael's dead.
Speaker B:The God's missing in action.
Speaker B:Because he.
Speaker B:He does made the cracks.
Speaker B:Like, he went out to get cigarettes.
Speaker A:Deadbeat.
Speaker A:Bad reference.
Speaker B:Yeah, we've got, you know, all these, you know.
Speaker A:Michael is usually sitting in the corner singing show tunes and touching himself.
Speaker A:That's Adam.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's Adam.
Speaker B:That's Adam.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So we get a reference to him.
Speaker A:Or did they split?
Speaker A:We don't know.
Speaker A:We don't know what happens.
Speaker A:Like, while they're down there, did they split into two?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And so Sam's like, wait, so you're the only option?
Speaker B:And Lucifer's like, yeah, I'm not a good guy, but the darkness is the end of everything, and we can beat her.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And Sam says, no, thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, no.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Dean, Crowley and Rowena are now working on a spell.
Speaker B:Well, Rowena is working on a spell at the instruction of Dean and Crowley because they want to be able to slam Lucifer back into his main cage.
Speaker B:And it will work unless Sam says yes before they do it, so.
Speaker A:Because if he gets.
Speaker A:If Lucifer gets into a vessel that is going to anchor him to the earth.
Speaker A:Earth.
Speaker A:Then Cass comes.
Speaker A:Comes stumbling in, and we get to see what the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The glowy hand thing did.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is terrifying.
Speaker B:It says I am coming in.
Speaker B:Giant burned letters in his chest.
Speaker B:It's upsetting.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm just a 15 year old boy and I'm just like you wrote.
Speaker A:I'm coming on cast.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:Is that a threat or a promise?
Speaker B:So Sam is insisting to Lucifer in the cage 2.0 that it's gonna be a no forever.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:You almost had me convinced.
Speaker B:But no.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:You know, what are you gonna do?
Speaker B:Last time it took Lucifer, archangels and God to put darkness into a.
Speaker B:Into, you know, wherever y' all had her before.
Speaker B:And what the.
Speaker B:I mean, you think you can do it by yourself now?
Speaker B:And even if you are able to, what next you're gonna bring the fuck up of Apocalypse because you'll be free.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Fudge.
Speaker B:All this.
Speaker A:And what are you gonna do?
Speaker A:Even if you manage to gank her?
Speaker A:And Lucifer says he's gonna move to LA and solve crimes, which is a direct joke on the other Lucifer.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:It's a good one.
Speaker B:It's a good reference.
Speaker B:It's a good reference.
Speaker B:So either way, Sam's like, it doesn't matter if you win or the Darkness wins.
Speaker B:Everybody else loses then.
Speaker B:So maybe.
Speaker B:Maybe I'm not sure about myself, but I have faith in my friends and my family.
Speaker B:And we're gonna find a fucking way.
Speaker A:Way.
Speaker B:I'm ready to die or watch people die, but I'm not ready to be your.
Speaker A:Boom.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So Lucifer's like, fine, plan B.
Speaker B:And he starts beating the.
Speaker A:Work, so.
Speaker A:But that sends Dean and Cass running because they can hear Sam screaming.
Speaker A:And Crowley's like, no, don't do that.
Speaker B:But Dean calls this for Aspen, which is funny, but.
Speaker B:And loose.
Speaker B:Lucifer snaps them into the cage with them.
Speaker B:So now Sam, Dean, Castiel and Lucifer all in cage.
Speaker A:It's a cage match.
Speaker B:It is a cage match.
Speaker B:Castiel's got his angel blade still.
Speaker B:And Lucifer snaps again.
Speaker B:And we get some music.
Speaker B:We get Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel by the the Tavares playing.
Speaker B:So Lucifer is just gonna make the rounds, beating the.
Speaker B:Out of everybody as he continues to insist that he can beat the Darkness too.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And he's also.
Speaker A:But he's also not just saying that to Sam now.
Speaker A:He's also saying Cass.
Speaker A:And he's telling Cass That Sam and Dean are just apes.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But Dean's like, yo, Sam.
Speaker A:Like, we don't have to win here.
Speaker B:We just have to.
Speaker A:We just gotta last, like, a few minutes.
Speaker A:All we gotta do.
Speaker B:And Rowena's lighting candles.
Speaker A:Nobody tells Cass this.
Speaker B:Yeah, you'd think he would have caught on.
Speaker B:Yeah, you thought he would have caught.
Speaker B:They would have told him, like, when he.
Speaker B:When they.
Speaker B:When he showed them his chest, that they would have, like, told him what was going on.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Why.
Speaker A:Why wouldn't you tell him?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Rowena's lighting candles.
Speaker B:The fight's continuing.
Speaker B:Lucifer's clearly beating the shit out of everybody.
Speaker B:Sam's bloodied up, and he's choking Dean out now and is telling Sam that he's got to say yes or he's going to kill Dean.
Speaker B:As this is happening, Rowena is, like, slicing her hand open and putting blood in the spell and spitting in the other.
Speaker B:Just doing experimentation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, the body fluid cleanup kit is in the closet anyways.
Speaker B:And so this is all happening.
Speaker B:And then Dean is able to escape.
Speaker B:Castiel has now got Lucifer's attention.
Speaker B:And Lucifer's about to kill Castiel.
Speaker B:And Rowena claps.
Speaker B:Flames everywhere.
Speaker B:And Lucifer's gone.
Speaker A:Flames coming out of my hand.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And so now, like, Lucifer's gone, and the boys and the cat and cast go back to Rowena and Crowley.
Speaker A:And Rowena just wants to thank you.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, bite me.
Speaker A:And Crowley is like, well, I can make her do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Crowley's like, this was fun and all, but I don't want to team up anymore.
Speaker B:This has been horrible.
Speaker B:And so Sam and Dean and Cass are up in the alley where they came to Hell from.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean are like, hey, we're going to.
Speaker B:Do you need a ride, Cass?
Speaker B:We're going to go, you know, go ahead and get.
Speaker B:Get back to things.
Speaker B:And Sam's like.
Speaker B:Sam's a little worried about Castiel here.
Speaker B:And Cassiel's like, no, no, I'll be fine.
Speaker B:I've got.
Speaker B:I'll figure it out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're like.
Speaker A:And so, like, all right.
Speaker A:So they get into baby and they talk.
Speaker A:And Dean's just kind of reiterating the whole, like, darkness and the Devil all, you know, on Earth at the same time.
Speaker A:That would just be awful.
Speaker A:We don't want to handle that.
Speaker A:And so we go back to Hell, where Rowena is massaging Crowley's temples.
Speaker A:He wants to know why she hates him.
Speaker A:And we get some super powerful Like Rowena stuff coming out of this Ew.
Speaker A:And she's like, man, like every time I look in your eyes, I see the woman who I was before magic and before the covenant happen.
Speaker A:I see the pale scanned Tanner's daughter who smelled of filth and death.
Speaker A:And when you were born, your father, who said he loved me, went back to his wife and his grand house, left her there on a mat, just like bleeding between her legs.
Speaker A:And she hates him.
Speaker A:Because if she didn't hate him, she would love him.
Speaker A:And love is a weakness.
Speaker A:And she's never going to be weak again.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:But what do you do with Lucifer?
Speaker B:So, yeah, right.
Speaker B:A door slams and Castiel is there.
Speaker A:But is it Castiel?
Speaker A:It's not because he winks and it's.
Speaker A:It's Lucifer.
Speaker A:Cassiel, I got to look at what his name was.
Speaker A:It's Cassifer.
Speaker A:Lucicas.
Speaker B:Cassifer.
Speaker B:Probably Lucille.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But either way, I am going to gold star right here.
Speaker B:Because immediately, as a viewer of the show, you know this is not Castiel.
Speaker B:You know that this expression immediately is a Lucifer.
Speaker A:Yeah, Misha.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Misha is not.
Speaker A:Mocks us out the park like he does.
Speaker B:Totally.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker B:And so we get a flashback back to cage 2.0 where there is the fight going on.
Speaker B:And in it, there's a brief moment where Castiel asks Lucifer if he can really beat the Darkness.
Speaker B:And Lucifer says yes.
Speaker B:So Castiel says said yes to Lucifer.
Speaker B:Lucifer's back.
Speaker B:He flings Crowley.
Speaker B:He frees Rowena from her collar, and he pretends like he's gonna kiss her.
Speaker B:He gets a little fake out.
Speaker B:And she is just smitten kitten with Lucifer.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But he wants to know if anyone else other than her can open the cage.
Speaker B:And she's like, no, just me.
Speaker A:And he snaps her neck.
Speaker A:Never gave you power over?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And so now it's just Cassifer, Cassifer and Crowley.
Speaker A:Lucille.
Speaker A:And they just.
Speaker A:He wants to chat.
Speaker A:And then it ends.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:All right, so I know you can tell us who Ambriel is.
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker C:It's the casting couch.
Speaker C:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So on our cast note, let me see, we've got.
Speaker B:Ambriel was played by Valerie Tian.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:I've been in episodes of Arrow 100, Bates Motel, handful of episodes of I, Zombie and Magicians both.
Speaker B:She was an elf in The Santa Claus 2.
Speaker B:She was an ex kid in X2X Men United.
Speaker B:She plays Suchin in Juno.
Speaker B:She's Chastity in Jennifer's body and Burns in 21 Jump Street.
Speaker A:Fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I liked her.
Speaker B:Said she did not get a lot.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's just good vibes.
Speaker B:Good vibes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So wtf?
Speaker B:I was very shocked by this episode.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:It got me.
Speaker B:I was surprised.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The whole cast.
Speaker A:The whole cast, yes.
Speaker B:Is it because everybody wore him down and made him feel like a bitch that everybody hated all episode?
Speaker A:I think so, yeah.
Speaker A:I think part.
Speaker A:Part of that is, you know, the.
Speaker B:The mind game.
Speaker A:Well, Cass, you know, still wanting to make up for all.
Speaker A:Like, he still feels guilty for all the times that he's fucked up.
Speaker A:Up.
Speaker A:Because it's been a lot.
Speaker B:It has.
Speaker A:The whole cast being a vessel.
Speaker A:Like, so are we now in the three way again?
Speaker B:Is he a double vessel?
Speaker A:Yeah, because we've got.
Speaker A:I think we've had that happen before.
Speaker A:Like, you know, like, when Crowley is, like.
Speaker A:Didn't.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, we've had, like, the.
Speaker A:The triple thing happen, so.
Speaker A:But there's a thruffle situation happening here.
Speaker A:But there's no Jimmy, right.
Speaker A:Because Jimmy's long gone.
Speaker A:So it's just a shell owl.
Speaker A:So I guess it is just.
Speaker A:It's not a thruffle.
Speaker A:It's just the two of them.
Speaker A:Just the two of us.
Speaker A:And then we got.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I mean, at least Sam's not in Hell.
Speaker B:Yeah, I guess that's good.
Speaker B:But now Lucifer's up and about in an angel body that they don't know about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Lucifer's out.
Speaker A:We didn't.
Speaker A:Didn't see Adam.
Speaker B:No, just in the flashback.
Speaker A:Nobody.
Speaker B:We don't know if Michael.
Speaker A:We don't know on this trip.
Speaker A:Sor.
Speaker B:We don't know if Michael and Adam are separated or.
Speaker A:This is like, Adam's just.
Speaker A:They're going, oh, man, they're coming to get Lucifer out of the cage.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, this is my time.
Speaker A:Like, they're gonna get me.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:Let us sit here and watch.
Speaker A:Michael wank off again?
Speaker B:Well, we don't know if they're separated or if they're in the same.
Speaker A:Oh, like waking himself up.
Speaker A:It's even worse.
Speaker A:Like, wake you off.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Wild, wild, wild.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, this is quite a.
Speaker B:You know, as, you know, watching the season so far, you're kind of like, well, are we just gonna chase the darkness for, like, the other 50 of the season?
Speaker B:I'm like, well, I guess we are, but now we've got a big old twist in the turtle story.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's there's another wrench.
Speaker A:Another devil in the detail.
Speaker A:Oh, maybe that's why they called it this.
Speaker A:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:What smart people wrote this show.
Speaker A:All right, on that note, cheers, Shark.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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Speaker B:Meow.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker B:That's where I'm gonna go when I die?
Speaker B:When I die and they lay me?
Speaker B:I'm gonna go to the place like the best.
