2:01 In My Time of Dying
We start off Supernatural Season 2, Episode 1, "In My Time of Dying" with a big bang, or wreck, whatever. We dance the Planchette Polka while diving into the history of the Ouija board and the exorcism of Roland Doe, the story behind the Exorcist.
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Transcript
Welcome back to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to find out what is happening to our girl Trunk.
Speaker B:We're going to learn that being a reaper is so fetch.
Speaker A:Also, how to dance the planchette polka.
Speaker A:I think that's what a polka sounds like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm a terrible pobo.
Speaker A:All right, let's do this.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker B:Welcome to season two, episode one of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're back.
Speaker A:Woo hoo.
Speaker A:We're back.
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:In case you forgot about us.
Speaker A:We're here.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're watching the show Supernatural from beginning and we just finished season one, launching into season two.
Speaker B:It's the first time I've ever seen this show in any of these episodes.
Speaker B:Whereas Liz is a bit of an aficionado of the Supernatural universe.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:We'll go with aficionado.
Speaker A:That works.
Speaker A:That sounds very classy.
Speaker A:I'm glad that you haven't forgotten how to pick your words.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we took a brief break and we've been working on some things in the back end.
Speaker A:They're still in motion because they're much harder to do than we thought.
Speaker A:But they will come out soon and then we'll all be really excited.
Speaker A:And I do have some other exciting things to talk about today too, so I'm really.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm gonna start using the word excited before I say that too much.
Speaker A:So, Diana, did you have anything fabulous happen over the break?
Speaker A:Anything you want to bring up?
Speaker B:I mean, I drank too much at a punk rock show that was pretty sweet.
Speaker B:Did that since the break.
Speaker B:And then also I think we painted a room in our house.
Speaker B:So super exciting stuff over here.
Speaker B:Very extremes of like acting young and crazy and being super domestic.
Speaker B:Both extremes covered completely in this household.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's about all I got to this on my reporting, I think.
Speaker B:Looking forward to you visiting in a few weeks and.
Speaker A:That'll be really fun.
Speaker A:I can't wait to get up there and maybe we'll take some.
Speaker A:Go to some fun places and take some fun pictures.
Speaker A:That's the goal.
Speaker A:Yeah, I planted a garden or half the garden, but now it's raining again, so I can't finish planting it.
Speaker A:So I have some seedlings.
Speaker A:It's very half assed and I just cut it.
Speaker A:And the worm farm has gotten.
Speaker A:It's kind of smelly, so I don't think I'm doing anything right.
Speaker A:And I've had an invasion of fruit flies and Gnats.
Speaker A:So I've got an emergency order from Amazon for a bug zapper that's coming tomorrow.
Speaker A:So hopefully, like.
Speaker A:And I've got, like.
Speaker A:There's, like, little, like, death traps for gnats, like, of apple cider and soap, like, just strategically placed through the house.
Speaker A:And this morning, the cat was yowing, really.
Speaker A:And I think she's very upset with what is happening.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:But you know the word.
Speaker A:They have to be inside because it's.
Speaker A:If they go outside, there's too hot.
Speaker A:But I may just be like, here.
Speaker A:Just go in this flower bed.
Speaker A:You can live here now.
Speaker A:This is where you live now.
Speaker A:And this was a wasted bunch of money, but I'm trying to do something for the earth and failing at it.
Speaker A:And so at least I could keep a cat alive that maybe not worms.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, this weekend, I drove more than I think I have driven in the past year.
Speaker A:I did many things.
Speaker A:I went and had a sleep study because I can't sleep, which was super fun.
Speaker A:That sarcasm, that was not fun at all.
Speaker B:Like, oh, you're having trouble sleeping.
Speaker B:Let's stick a bunch of shit to you, putting you in an unfamiliar room and ask you to relax.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, we have a camera on you.
Speaker A:And then he's like, I may come in in the middle of the night and put a mask on your face, which just sounds like a horror movie to me.
Speaker A:I'm like, we're gonna lie here.
Speaker A:We're gonna watch you sleep.
Speaker A:And while you half asleep, a stranger may come into your room and shove something on your face.
Speaker B:Why not?
Speaker A:So on the way from there, and I was driving to our ranch in South Texas, I passed this place outside of San Marcos, and I'm pretty sure I found a shifter bar.
Speaker A:I think there are werewolves living outside of San Marcos.
Speaker A:And they have this place that's called Full Moon Saloon.
Speaker A:There's a picture of a wolf painted on the outside of it, and it looked like a biker bar.
Speaker A:It looked like it belonged to True Blood.
Speaker A:I shit you not.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Shifters are real.
Speaker A:Werewolves are real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We have to go there and just be like.
Speaker A:And there's, like, online.
Speaker A:Like, their presence is very minimal.
Speaker A:Like, they have a Facebook page, but nobody.
Speaker A:But nobody posts on.
Speaker A:Like, maybe there's just, like, a.
Speaker A:A private thing and.
Speaker A:And they're a Yelp page.
Speaker A:Like, it's just, like, says, like, there's pictures of it, but there's no description.
Speaker A:So I think it's a secret werewolf bar and that it Exists in Texas.
Speaker B:So can we get, like, fake vampire teeth that, like, pop on, like, the good ones that are molded?
Speaker B:Put those in and then just, like, go in there all nonchalant and then, like, order a drink and see what happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or just ask them if they have any of that true blood and see.
Speaker B:See if they know what we're talking about or if we get kicked out.
Speaker A:Or if we get beaten by a bunch of bikers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which can still be fun.
Speaker A:I've never, like.
Speaker A:I've always wanted to have, like, that full Texas bar brawl where you, like.
Speaker A:You knock, you know, hit a chair.
Speaker B:Over a chair and we bust the bottle on somebody's head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And hit somebody with a cue stick.
Speaker A:Like, these are all things that, surprisingly, I've never done.
Speaker B:I actually am kind of surprised.
Speaker B:I really.
Speaker B:For me, it would be, like.
Speaker B:It would be shocking if I had done these things for Liz.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, really?
Speaker B:You have it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I mean, I've gotten in a fight, like, by a pool table and gotten thrown out of the bar, but I didn't get to, like, bust a chair over anybody's head.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:I didn't get to Swayze it.
Speaker A:Not the Swayze we'll talk about later in this episode.
Speaker A:But I didn't get to Swayze, you know, Roadhouse.
Speaker A:Anybody.
Speaker A:Roadhouse, you know, that's.
Speaker A:And I also know, in reality, if I tried to pick up a chair, I would probably just fall over, and then I would, like, hit the chair.
Speaker A:Somebody.
Speaker A:And, you know, they're not, Like, like, pretending, like, well, they're wolves.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So when you're like, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker B:Makes sense to me.
Speaker B:I got it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That was my.
Speaker A:That was my exciting news this weekend.
Speaker A:I've been.
Speaker A:I haven't.
Speaker A:I was waiting to tell you all week.
Speaker A:I'm like, can't wait to tell Diana about the werewolf bar.
Speaker A:And I was like.
Speaker A:I was so excited.
Speaker A:I was also so tired because it was, like, six in the morning driving past this place, and I was like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker B:Is that when you missed your exit?
Speaker A:No, no, that was much later.
Speaker A:And that was when I almost.
Speaker A:I almost went to Mexico.
Speaker A:I ended up about 99 miles to Laredo.
Speaker A:So if you look at the map, you could see where Laredo is, and you can see where 99 miles from it is really.
Speaker A:Is not that far from our ramp.
Speaker A:So it wasn't too far back.
Speaker A:But that's also the point on that highway where they stop having exits.
Speaker B:Real far to turn around.
Speaker A:You're like, you have to, like, or, like, do something really illegal.
Speaker A:And I was like, well, we're gonna be, you know, good.
Speaker A:But I, like, saw an H E B. I'm like, there's no hebs in this town.
Speaker A:And that's how I figured it out.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:Well, surprise.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:But, you know, I did not miss traffic.
Speaker A:I did not miss, you know, I'm so used to, like, where have we driven in, like, the past year?
Speaker A:Like, to the hill country, you know,.
Speaker B:Like, let's go somewhere very remote and rural.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it had to be in both San Antonio and in Austin traffic.
Speaker A:And it was like, all of you people?
Speaker A:Why are there more people?
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker B:No, I'm ready.
Speaker B:I'm ready.
Speaker B:I'm in excitement mode of getting things going again.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:I do have another trip I'm going to talk about on the show, but I'm saving it because there's going to.
Speaker A:It ties into this week's thing and it's going to be super.
Speaker A:I can't wait to talk about it.
Speaker A:So I think, I think.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Wait, wait.
Speaker A:What are you drinking?
Speaker A:I forgot.
Speaker B:I am drinking my brand new shipment of Coleman wines.
Speaker B:This is their Malbec Merlot.
Speaker B:It's one of our, once again, we've mentioned before, one of our favorite wineries in the hill country, or mine at least.
Speaker B:But in the hill country, it's right, actually in high Texas, basically right outside.
Speaker B:Right almost next door to High rum,.
Speaker A:Which is what I'm drinking.
Speaker A:I am drinking the dark Hiram mixed with a pineapple mojito mix.
Speaker A:So work decided.
Speaker A:Hey, your lives suck.
Speaker A:And we need to say we actually care about you.
Speaker A:So order the snack box.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you, like, they've done this before.
Speaker A:Like, you have 50 bucks to spend on snacks.
Speaker A:I'm like, hey, look at all those cocktail mixers.
Speaker A:So, unfortunately, they didn't have the actual booze, but I was like.
Speaker A:So I got like a pineapple mojito.
Speaker A:Like a couple of, like, other mojito things.
Speaker A:This isn't a mojito, It's a mule.
Speaker A:So it's basically pineapple, which is really good.
Speaker A:Pineapple ginger beer and dark rum.
Speaker A:And it's fucking delicious.
Speaker A:And I'm very sad I only have one of them.
Speaker A:Although I'm pretty sure I have pineapple juice and ginger beer and can probably make this myself.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, but now we know.
Speaker A:Pineapple ginger beer and rum.
Speaker A:It's a winner.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that is what I'm drinking a.
Speaker B:Lot of a Lot of.
Speaker B:Yeah, I understand.
Speaker A:Well, cool.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:Why don't you tell us about the background on this episode, In My Time of Dying.
Speaker A:In My Time of Dying, which is a Zeppelin song, if you didn't know.
Speaker A:I take it, Diana, you didn't know.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it's the name of the Zeppelin song.
Speaker A:So, again, season two, episode one, this first aired September 26th.
Speaker A:8Th.
Speaker A: th in: Speaker A:And so we had Kim Manners and Eric Kripke back.
Speaker A:So because obviously we're starting off a season, they wanted to set things up.
Speaker A:And I will find out through this season that there's going to be some changes in tone.
Speaker A:I think that you'd probably notice through this, Diana, too, things are going to get a little lighter.
Speaker A:And while they're monster of the weeking a bit, they're probably going to be doing a lot more character development and other things.
Speaker A:So it should be an interesting change from last season.
Speaker A:But, yeah, really, that's about all I have on the background of this.
Speaker A:It wasn't really anything exciting except the new season, which is awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Excited.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Like, I feel bad for the fans that were watching this when it came out, because the cliffhanger that season one left you with, it's like, no.
Speaker B:Whereas I'm like, spoiled.
Speaker B:I'm like, well, I know there's like, 15 more seasons, so they can't all be dead.
Speaker B:When I was watching, yeah, we're gonna.
Speaker A:Kill off one of the brothers.
Speaker A:That's what's.
Speaker A:That's how this stops.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So I kind of was like, I was going.
Speaker B:I was like, well, somebody's gonna be okay in this car.
Speaker B:They can't all be dead.
Speaker B:So there's got.
Speaker B:Because I know there's a series and there's enough of a fandom on Instagram that.
Speaker B:I see.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I was.
Speaker B:I was excited to get back into it and.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about it, I'm sure.
Speaker B:But I think you're right.
Speaker B:I think I can see a change in the tone a bit in this and a little bit in the dialogue, even in this episode.
Speaker B:So I will point out once again that the intro song on this episode season is not Kansas, Carry on, my wayward son.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's supposed to be, but I'm sure it is.
Speaker B:But they were using Stranglehold by Ted Nugent as the intro song on this.
Speaker A:I think that actually may have been the original one.
Speaker A:I think that may have been Ted.
Speaker A:I think the news the news.
Speaker A:The news actually was the one they had started on this.
Speaker A:I don't think they hadn't really gotten to it so far.
Speaker B:But yeah, that made sense.
Speaker B:I was like, that actually seemed to fit pretty well.
Speaker B:So I was like, okay, that's fine.
Speaker B:So we get that for the intro recap portion, and then we jump into the episode, which starts with the smashed up fucking baby, which is depressing as hell.
Speaker B:And the semi.
Speaker B:And it's a Bad Moon Rising playing.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we got it back.
Speaker A:So they took it out the last, last episode.
Speaker A:So maybe I have hope that all.
Speaker A:Maybe Netflix was listening to our podcast and they're like, nah, now these.
Speaker A:These bitches are very up.
Speaker A:We need to put this back.
Speaker A:So either way.
Speaker A:Yeah, so CCR is back.
Speaker A:So I was like, okay, I feel a little bit better.
Speaker A:And I was relieved for you.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:I'm glad.
Speaker A:I'm glad you knew.
Speaker A:We're concerned.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we're at the accident.
Speaker A:We got Bad Moon Rising playing in the background, cars smoking, and Sam's alive.
Speaker A:All right, so cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We see Sam actually, like, talk, you know, awake as the.
Speaker B:The demon possessed truck driver walks over, and they have like a little brief dialogue kind of where Sam's like, I'm gonna shoot you.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, you're saving that bullet for someone else.
Speaker B:And then pretty quick after that, the demon leaves the body with this cloud of smoke.
Speaker A:And this was an awful lot of smoke.
Speaker A:Like, that was.
Speaker A:It was like, damn, does that mean, like, the demon was really fat?
Speaker A:Like, was it a big demon?
Speaker A:Like, it was strong demon?
Speaker B:Like, what does it mean?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:So much smoke he had.
Speaker A:So, like, compared to.
Speaker A:And even later, like, there was less smoke for, like, the bigger demon.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, I know it was also just an effect thing.
Speaker A:It looks really pretty with the moon, but.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we get a helicopter.
Speaker B:But it cuts really, like, I thought it was kind of weird.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay, so it's like dark outside, and they're there in the crash car.
Speaker B:And the.
Speaker B:The Once the guy.
Speaker B:Once the truck driver is no longer possessed.
Speaker B:I mean, like, somebody probably like a truck probably has a way to, like, contact for help if there's a problem.
Speaker A:He has a CB radio, he's a tractor.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But it's not until, like, I mean, that would have been hours upon hours later they got to where it's like, we don't know.
Speaker A:Like, it could have been, like, it could have been 4 in the morning.
Speaker A:And then by the time, like, Podunk town.
Speaker A:Oh, we had to get an airlift here because these guys are dying.
Speaker A:So people can lie on the side of the road for a long time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Suddenly it's like, super bright.
Speaker B:Anyway, so they get them all medevaced out to the hospital.
Speaker B:And you see Dean wake up and.
Speaker B:And kind of wanders out of his room and looking for his brother and his dad.
Speaker B:And you kind of realize, like, I'm like, I'm already watching.
Speaker B:I'm like, something's not right.
Speaker B:This hospital's fucked up.
Speaker B:Or something's not Rose.
Speaker B:It's like a dream sequence or some shit because there's no one really around.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:And also, he's not in a hospital gown, which I'm kind of disappointed in.
Speaker A:And he's in, like, a T shirt and pajama pants.
Speaker A:And how hilarious would have been if he had to do whole episode with.
Speaker A:In a hospital gown with his ass hanging out.
Speaker B:I didn't even think of that.
Speaker B:You're so right.
Speaker B:That's amazing.
Speaker B:That would have been hilarious.
Speaker A:It would have been so good.
Speaker A:You failed Supernatural.
Speaker A:You failed.
Speaker B:Opportunity missed.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:So he's like, goes down and weirdly says nothing skeezy to the blonde receptionist.
Speaker B:That's odd.
Speaker B:And then I realized that she can't see or hear him.
Speaker B:And when he goes back up, he sees himself unconscious in bed.
Speaker B:Which is always like a heebie jeebie thing.
Speaker B:Like, that's fucking freaky.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker B:Even with.
Speaker B:It wasn't like a super, like, scary scene.
Speaker B:It's always like, okay, looking at yourself unconscious.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And fun fact that for the most part, that was a body double that was in the bed.
Speaker A:He was in a Jensen mask.
Speaker A:And so they had made, like, a Jensen mask, like, out of, like, plaster.
Speaker A:Like, you know, with the whole movie monster thing.
Speaker A:And so, like, the body temple couldn't eat the entire day on set.
Speaker A:They're like.
Speaker A:He just like, they can put a straw in there.
Speaker A:And that was it.
Speaker A:So this poor guy had to be, like, all day, like, with Jensen face on.
Speaker B:I mean, can you just take a fucking nap?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I imagine it's like when I go get my eyelashes done, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna lie here and let you stick things on me.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But what's kind of weird to me is that when Sam walks in, which, like, obviously, he's not hurt as bad as Dean or fucking John, but Sam walks in and he's still in, like, his fucking street clothes.
Speaker A:Those.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Didn't he get treated for anything?
Speaker B:Or were they just like, no, you're cool.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought was kind of weird, but.
Speaker A:No, I guess they're like, you're fine.
Speaker A:We don't need to admit you.
Speaker A:You look great.
Speaker A:Even though this doesn't make sense and how you were.
Speaker A:The truck was hit, but the car was hit, but I'm not gonna go into that.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You were covered.
Speaker B:You're covered in blood and were strapped to a stretcher brief just a few minutes ago.
Speaker B:But anyways, so anyway, so D. Dean's trying to talk to Sam, and Sam can't hear him.
Speaker B:And then we see, like, the doctor walks in to tell him that Dean.
Speaker B:That Dad's awake.
Speaker B:That their dad's awake.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And starts to explain that Dean has some serious head trauma and makes a comment about when or if he wakes up, which is pretty upsetting to everybody.
Speaker A:So Dean's dying.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:Dean's dying of head trauma.
Speaker B:Bad.
Speaker B:And then we have a really awkward scene where John gives his fake insurance card to Sam when Sam goes to see him.
Speaker B:I was deeply in those box.
Speaker A:Well, he also said they were both on his fake insurance, so at least you didn't let them know they had fake health insurance before.
Speaker A:Like, they probably needed that.
Speaker A:I mean, when's the last time they went to a doctor?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:Like, they probably need a physical.
Speaker A:Being on the road is really hard on your liver.
Speaker A:You know, all sorts of things.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:And they start, you know, fighting.
Speaker A:Dad's being kind of a shit.
Speaker A:But dad does make a really point that we.
Speaker A:We should be worried about Trunk Team Trunk.
Speaker A:And I'm like, yes, you left Trunk all alone.
Speaker A:Poor Trunk is out there and she doesn't know what's happening.
Speaker A:And she's just, like, holding onto her weapons and she's like, I don't know if they're coming back for me and.
Speaker B:Mine disaband, but I'm protecting these for you because I'm here for you.
Speaker B:Because I'm drunk.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Oh, there was one funny line that I wanted to point out.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:So when Dean was, like, yelling at Sam, when Sam.
Speaker B:Not yelling, but try to talk to Sam, when Sam couldn't hear him, one of the things he said, find some hoodoo priests to lay some mojo on me to bring him back, to make him better.
Speaker B:And even though Sam didn't react like he heard, he didn't react like he had heard his brother at all then when he's talking to John about Dean, he says we need to find some hoodoo priests to lay some mojo on him.
Speaker B:So it's kind of.
Speaker B:It was kind of interesting.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know if the implication was that Sam actually heard Dean but didn't realize it or if it was just how they know how each other talks and things now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Either way.
Speaker B:So anyways, they're worried about the car.
Speaker B:He's already.
Speaker B:John sent him.
Speaker B:Good old Bobby.
Speaker B:Little Bobby, I like to go to get that.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And is really worried, obviously, about the cult.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And then, like, Dean here is a. Yeah.
Speaker A:He hands off a shopping list.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We get a shopping list of you.
Speaker B:Because it's for protection.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Condoms.
Speaker A:That's clearly what he's buying.
Speaker A:He's buying condoms.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's the same ways.
Speaker A:And Dean's there and he's like, yeah, dad, you're a big liar liar, pants on fire.
Speaker A:And I think it's gonna be a running theme this episode that John is a liar, liar, big fat liar.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And then we're gonna.
Speaker B:We know.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:He just.
Speaker B:It just keeps being reinforced.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And now we're gonna switch and we're gonna see.
Speaker A:Oh, no, baby.
Speaker A:Oh, baby.
Speaker B:So sad.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker A:She's so hurt.
Speaker B:Pissed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:She was.
Speaker B:She was so beat up.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:It was so sad.
Speaker B:It was very sad.
Speaker B:So I said, I. I appreciate Sam's commitment to saving the car for Dean.
Speaker B:That car is not salvageable.
Speaker A:No, it's not.
Speaker A:But it's also obviously a metaphor, right?
Speaker A:Like, I can't let the car die because I can't let Dean die.
Speaker B:I thought the car dies in one part.
Speaker B:Working.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if Dean has a spleen, we're gonna take Dean's spleen and make him into a new Dean.
Speaker A:That's how I read that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're just gonna go into like.
Speaker B:Like cloning kind of stuff then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Regeneration, Something like that.
Speaker A:You know, man, Find a hoodoo, man.
Speaker B:That's what they need for some mojo.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And then Bobby lets Sam know that that list is not a bunch of to.
Speaker B:For protection.
Speaker A:Because John's a big fat liar.
Speaker B:Because John is a liar.
Speaker B:And he doesn't tell us then.
Speaker B:But we find out shortly later what it actually is for.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they cut that to the hospital.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And Dean is there and telling him that he's a shitty father.
Speaker A:Like, you are right.
Speaker A:He is a shitty fucking dad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he sees Some like, figure thing, like, fly.
Speaker B:Some like spirit thing fly down the hallway.
Speaker B:And he goes to find it, goes to look for it.
Speaker B:And he sees like a woman, like, collapsing and suffocating on the floor.
Speaker B:And he's like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:So now he thinks this spirit is like, after people in the hospital.
Speaker A:Well, that's a legit thing to think.
Speaker A:I mean, because she wasn't like a patient.
Speaker A:It was just a random nurse having a heart attack.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I would be like, oh, shit, something's going on here.
Speaker A:Like, I heard a big rumble, saw a big flash of light, and now there's a chick dying.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Which really doesn't even fit into the mythologist episode.
Speaker A:So I'm just gonna ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
Speaker A:And so Sam comes back and then he starts yelling at John, being a.
Speaker B:Big fat liar, being a fat liar.
Speaker B:Because the list is not to protect them from the demon.
Speaker B:It's to summon the demon.
Speaker A:Why are you bringing it here, John?
Speaker A:What you doing?
Speaker B:But then, so they're yelling at each other about it and.
Speaker B:And daddy tells Sam that he like, John tells Sam that he should have killed the demon even if it had killed him.
Speaker B:Because at least then Dean would be okay.
Speaker B:I was like, that's really fucking sad and fucked up to tell him.
Speaker A:You know, that's a shitty thing to tell your son.
Speaker A:Like, if you did this, your brother would be at like, fuck you.
Speaker B:If you had just killed me, your father, then your brother would be okay.
Speaker B:It's like, what kind of emotional, like, abuse is this?
Speaker B:This is fucked to say.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, there's a reason these guys have issues.
Speaker A:Like, it's in this hospital bed doing it right now.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And then of course, this is pissing Dean off.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And he sways his glass.
Speaker B:It was so funny.
Speaker B:I thought that was hilarious.
Speaker B:There's some great one liners in this.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like the hoodoo priest to work some mojo.
Speaker B:And then this one, when he knocks the glass on the ground, it shatters.
Speaker B:They both look, dude, I full on Swayze that mother.
Speaker B:Which was funny.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:I liked it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then so obviously and John stop fighting because they realize that something's up and something made that glass fall.
Speaker B:Then we get doctors running down a hall and we realize that Dean's body is crashing.
Speaker B:They're using paddles and all that.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:He was fritzing out too.
Speaker A:Because Dean starts going.
Speaker A:What's going on with Dean?
Speaker B:Yeah, and he's.
Speaker B:He sees that this is spirit thing floating over him and he runs over and tries to grab it.
Speaker B:And you kind of get the impression that Sam may have heard or sensed him at that point.
Speaker B:And anyway, so he grabs the.
Speaker B:Grabs the spirit, like, bites, like, neck or something, and then it disappears and leaves.
Speaker B:And then Dean's pulse comes back and he's not awake, but his spirit is more stable and his body is no longer dying.
Speaker B:And he says, if I can grab it, I can kill it.
Speaker B:Which I thought was really funny, too.
Speaker A:Yeah, my.
Speaker A:Was like, okay, all right.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:That's a thing.
Speaker A:Okay, you said that.
Speaker A:So Dean's gonna meet up with another coma girl.
Speaker A:And then I got coma girl stuck in my head, but that's Tessa.
Speaker A:And she's like, I just came in for an appendectomy.
Speaker A:So I'm like, yeah, this is how I feel.
Speaker A:And go to the hospital.
Speaker A:And so they start going back, and he's, you know, giving her one of the kind of version of the speech.
Speaker A:And he was like, yeah, we're having the out of body experience and we're fetch it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So she asked if he's new agey.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker B:He's like, do you see me with crystals or listening to Yanni?
Speaker B:Nobody's in this episode.
Speaker A:They are.
Speaker A:They are good lighters.
Speaker A:And nobody listens to Yanni.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So they says that they're fetches.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Fetch.
Speaker A:So this week, weekend, while I was driving around somebody mean girls on the text dot.
Speaker A:Did you see that now?
Speaker A:I did see it.
Speaker B:Be a cool mom.
Speaker A:Be a cool mom.
Speaker A:Buckle.
Speaker A:Buckle up.
Speaker A:Like, buckling up is so fetch.
Speaker A:And it like, I saw all over Texas this weekend, and it did not hit me because I was like, why the is someone doing this?
Speaker A:Deep mean girls.
Speaker A:Cut.
Speaker A:And then today I finally figured out, like, oh, Mother's Day.
Speaker A:Cool mom.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, that makes so much more sense.
Speaker B:I'm a cool mom.
Speaker A:But, yeah, all weekend I was like, why is this here?
Speaker A:This is so random.
Speaker A:And now I get it.
Speaker B:That's why you need someone to hack on and be like, stop trying to make fetch happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not saying I. I don't know anybody who could do that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I was amused I could talk.
Speaker A:To you about how to get into those things, but we won't.
Speaker A:And I would probably get arrested if I did.
Speaker B:So let's.
Speaker B:Let's not.
Speaker A:Let's not go there.
Speaker A:All right, so they're fetches.
Speaker B:Fetch.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:And he's like, basically, we just need our Bodies to get better and then snap back in and wake up is what he thinks.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we figure out that Sam has pretty much definitely felt Dean's presence in some way.
Speaker B:And, of course, this is where, like, John's promising that he's not going to hunt the demon until they know that Dean's okay.
Speaker B:Once again, big fat liar.
Speaker A:Big liar.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And there's kind of a weird little like, convo back and forth about with Tessa and Dean here where she's like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:She's just very blase.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, it's okay if I'm just.
Speaker B:A spirit and my body may or may not survive.
Speaker A:Whatever happens is fate.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, I'm gonna, like, fight to live.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then there we go.
Speaker B:And then they run after the kids ward when they see a bunch of doctors there.
Speaker B:And the spirit kills a child at this point, basically.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, we see.
Speaker A:We see that the little girl dies after she's touched by the yellow thing, which is so weird.
Speaker A:And I'm not sure how that works, but anyways, so we're going back.
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, okay.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, I guess she's not in pain anymore.
Speaker A:Like, okay, little girl dead.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker B:And then Sam shows up in Dean's room trying to talk to him.
Speaker B:And this is probably your favorite part.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:So Sam pulls out a Ouija board, and I'm.
Speaker B:A mystical talking board.
Speaker A:It is a mystical talking board.
Speaker A:And one.
Speaker A:Sam, you're not supposed to play with that alone.
Speaker A:That's a hard and fast rule.
Speaker A:And I did almost wear a Ouija board dress tonight, but I wanted to wear my shirt that you'll see later, which is, you know, never trusts a living.
Speaker A:Which is also fitting on this.
Speaker A:But, you know, Sam's got a talking board.
Speaker A:He's got a Ouija.
Speaker A:So what we're gonna do, we're gonna talk about some Ouija boards.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Is this lore?
Speaker A:This is lore.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk about the Ou.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And some other up.
Speaker A:Because that's what I do.
Speaker A:So, obviously, you know, people have been trying to divine things forever, but when we really first start seeing something that looks like our modern idea of a Ouija board is when planchettes, which is French for little plank.
Speaker A:Oh, sorry.
Speaker A:In France.
Speaker A:Little plank.
Speaker A:No, no, that's not it.
Speaker A: those come around, like, mid-: Speaker A:And so a traditional planchette, you know, that's heart shaped.
Speaker A:And it's on two rotating casters.
Speaker A:And underneath it, there is a Pencil at the tip that would form the third leg.
Speaker A:And of course, who were using this?
Speaker A:My favorite people, the spiritualist.
Speaker A:So the spiritualists immediately discovered that addition to writing messages that you could also use it as a pointer.
Speaker A:And so that started setting the stage for the talking board.
Speaker A: y originated in France around: Speaker A:But it was also scandalous because men and women sat so close together to put their hands on the planchette.
Speaker A:Ooh la la.
Speaker A: e their way to America around: Speaker A:Cottrell.
Speaker A:But their popularity really took off at a fancy, schmancy New York stationery store that all the elite people shopped at named Kirby Co. Began selling it to their fancy peeps.
Speaker A: And that was in the: Speaker A: of them by: Speaker A:But I think he's also a big fat liar because that sounds like a lot of things to be selling in a little store in New York.
Speaker A:But, you know, they were really popular because they.
Speaker A: chette Polka Dot and also the: Speaker A:And then I was like, oh, shit, I went down this rabbit hole.
Speaker A:And there are also spiritualist ditties.
Speaker A:Like the Fox Family endorsed the Haunted Ground, the Spirit Polka, and its spiritual successor, the Mysterious Rappings Polka.
Speaker A:All things that sheet music exists for.
Speaker A:And I want to find the sheet music and make songs about them.
Speaker A:There's a lot of polka.
Speaker A:People like their polkas that.
Speaker A:Okay, what else is great is that Mysterious Planchette site is run by this Austin guy named Brandon Hodge.
Speaker A:And he has a massive collection of spiritualist items.
Speaker A:And his house in Hyde park is often featured on the Weird Homes Tour.
Speaker A:So back when we could do things like go to people's houses and not spread plague, people would go to his house and see it.
Speaker A:But on May 18, which is next week, he is doing a virtual tour called Ghosts in the Machine.
Speaker A:And he's going to do a virtual tour of his house and his collection.
Speaker A:And also the house in Wayne County, New York, where the spiritualist movement started.
Speaker A:I don't know if that's a Fox house or not, but I have booked.
Speaker A:Everyone who's on should join.
Speaker A:Let's go on a field trip.
Speaker A:So I'm going to put the link on here, and we could all go Together and go look at all his planchets.
Speaker A:So we'll put a link to the eventbrite, but it's off of.
Speaker A:Off of Atlas Obscura.
Speaker A:So anyhow.
Speaker A:All right, so in addition to the planchets, around the same time dial plates came out.
Speaker A: ench spiritism, published his: Speaker A:And in it, he described his own experiences with the dial plates, as was translated by this woman named Anna Blackwell.
Speaker A:In order to render spirit communications independent of the medium's mind, various instruments have been devised.
Speaker A:So one of these is sort of a dial plate on which the letters of the Alphabet are arranged like those in the dial of the electric telegraph.
Speaker A:A moving needle set in motion through the medium's influence with the aid of conducting threat employee points and letters.
Speaker A:So they weren't really that popular, but that combination with the plan chat is how we ended up going into talking boards.
Speaker A: And so in: Speaker A:And they quoted this man, and I'm going to try really hard to do what I imagine the newspaper sounded like, but probably not.
Speaker A:Music like planchette is simply nowhere, said a Western man at the fifth Avenue hotel.
Speaker A:Compared with the new scheme for mysterious communication that's being used out in Ohio.
Speaker A:I knew of whole communities that are wild over the talking board, as they have called it.
Speaker A:I've never heard any other name for it.
Speaker A:So I'm just like, the planchets are nowhere, man.
Speaker A: atever lingo they're using in: Speaker A:So this is where it also gets exciting for my life.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:And they made toys and amusement devices while looking for the next best thing.
Speaker A:They were like, hey, this talking board, this looks promising.
Speaker A:Let's take it.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:Nobody really knows where the name Ouija came from.
Speaker A:Some say Canard got the name from a spirit.
Speaker A:So the person who did the patent with him, Bond and Kennard and her sister said that, you know, they were doing a seance and the.
Speaker A:That's what the board said.
Speaker A:Call me Ouija.
Speaker A:Other people think that it could be a combination of we and ya.
Speaker A:So because we.
Speaker A:They both say yes in French and German, but that would also.
Speaker A:We would say we ja, or we are, but all right, so nobody knows where the name stuck.
Speaker A: And by the: Speaker A:And the company had its up and Downs.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:So he kicked it, like, basically rips this off of his brother, which is great.
Speaker A:And he did make millions until he fell off a roof and died.
Speaker A:And so he was trying to, like, look, inspect a flagpole, and he fell over a railing like that just broke and he fell down.
Speaker A:And then he, like, got put into an ambulance.
Speaker A:And he wasn't dead yet, but then he died because the, like, he red.
Speaker A:Pierced his lung when he was lying on the ground.
Speaker A:So, yeah, not the best start for it.
Speaker A:But while he was d. Like, don't sell the Ouija board to anyone outside the family.
Speaker A:And they're like, sure, dad, we'll make sure we don't do that.
Speaker A:And then Parker Brothers is like, have all this money?
Speaker A:And they're like, yeah, we're gonna do that.
Speaker A:So they sold it to Parker Brothers and they.
Speaker A:They moved its base of operations to Salem, which I think is pretty cool in the 60s.
Speaker A: And by: Speaker A:But the legend the Ouija lives on in Baltimore.
Speaker A:And the building where the seance named the board was supposedly held is now a 7 11.
Speaker A:And there is a plaque inside the 7 11.
Speaker A:And originally they were trying to install the plaque during this Ouija convention that was in town.
Speaker A:But there were riots in Baltimore, so they couldn't do it.
Speaker A:So they came back later and they put the plaque in.
Speaker A:So that's there.
Speaker A:And then also the patenteer Elijah Bond, who was one of the guys who found it with Canard, he has this tombstone in Green Mountain Cemetery.
Speaker A:And it's epic.
Speaker A:We'll post pictures of it, but yeah.
Speaker A:So the backside of his tombstone is a Ouija board.
Speaker A:It is so fucking cool.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna be in Baltimore next week, bitches.
Speaker A:So hopefully we'll get some.
Speaker A:I know we're going to Poe's Cemetery.
Speaker A:Poe's grave.
Speaker A:Because we're weird Agathi.
Speaker A:So this is in a different cemetery.
Speaker A:So I have to see how many things like, hey, you want to go to another cemetery?
Speaker B:How many cemeteries can you drag?
Speaker B:Everybody too?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, my friends are all kind of dark and weird, so it may not be that hard.
Speaker A:I know the 7 11, though, is definitely near where we're going to be.
Speaker A:It's like 10 blocks.
Speaker A:So I definitely like, let's go get a Slurpee and take a peach picture with a wiji side.
Speaker A:All right, so the science about Ouija, is it real?
Speaker A:What is going on?
Speaker A:So the main debunking theory about how we g works is the effect of the ideomotor, which is the idea that small unconscious and or involuntary muscle movement can be made due to.
Speaker A:Okay, this is really love bullshit.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Pretty much like your mind can do an action like, with.
Speaker A:Just by your subconscious, right?
Speaker A:So while you and your buddy are sitting there getting your hands really close, you're basically.
Speaker A:Your brain is like, I want to be this.
Speaker A:I want to move this to F and I want to move this to E. And, you know, so even though you're not intentionally doing it, that you're subconsciously doing it.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's a theory.
Speaker A:Or the other theory is that it's full of demons, which also.
Speaker A:We love demons.
Speaker A:Weird things to say, but you don't.
Speaker B:Have to be demons.
Speaker B:It can be ghosts.
Speaker A:It could be ghosts.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But really, for the long time, you know, this was just spiritualists or like, hey, this is bored and we're talking to ghosts and it's not a big deal.
Speaker A:We know there are ghosts everywhere.
Speaker A:But the church was like, hey, you know, we don't have a lot of people coming to our churches anymore.
Speaker A:They're all going to hang out in the spiritualist thing and they're like doing seances and shit and also their witches.
Speaker A:So Pope Pius X commissioned this guy, J. Godfrey Roper, a psychic investigator, to warn Catholics about the danger of the ouija.
Speaker A: And in: Speaker A:And he said, there are those in disbelief talking to spirits, and in these practices, they are facing grave dangers, mental, moral, and physical.
Speaker A:He also said that people who use it get a condition of lassitud, his lazy tude and exhaustion with severe pain that spreads all over the brains, and that all mediums become nervous wrecks eventually because of all the Ghosties.
Speaker A: And in: Speaker A:And he said that it was just as likely to be evil spirits communicating and not necessarily your dead grandma.
Speaker A:And he thought that spiritualists were largely elderly, child, childish, neurotic, ugly, and epileptic.
Speaker A:So he was throwing some serious shit.
Speaker A:He was like, you ugly and you have epilepsy, like, which is just the weirdest thing.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like, man, like, you suck.
Speaker A:You have epilepsy.
Speaker B:Off, man.
Speaker A:Like that's a medical condition that I can't control.
Speaker B:Like, God damn.
Speaker A:That's why he was also a misogynist.
Speaker A:And he said, you know, basically spiritualist women all form society or a man hating and anti marriage and that their views are eventually going to destroy the human race.
Speaker A:So, yeah, we're still trying.
Speaker A:We'll get you one day, sir.
Speaker A:One day we will get you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: when the Exorcist came out in: Speaker A:And so if you have not seen the Exorcist and who are you?
Speaker A:Why have you not seen the Exorcist?
Speaker A:That's just weird.
Speaker A:Obviously, part of the movie suggests that, you know, the demonic possession came from the use of the Ouija board.
Speaker A:So people just really started thinking that Ouija's were gonna take their soul and that there was just.
Speaker A:After that there was an explosion of reports of all the bad things that have happened to people after they used the Ouija board.
Speaker A:And I'm sure you've read some of the stories and heard them from your friends and oh, we're using the Ouija board and this demon Zozo came out.
Speaker A:And then he tried.
Speaker A:Zozo was like a demon who like pops up in a lot of these things for some reason.
Speaker A:But also like the Catholic Church was like, see, told you it's evil.
Speaker A:And what was really funny is that, you know, of course, like, it was like, it's evil, but I want one.
Speaker A:And so like all the sales for Ouija board actually like went up after the movie came out.
Speaker A:So most people, I think, I don't know.
Speaker A:The Exorcist is based off of a book.
Speaker A:Book.
Speaker A:And the book is based off of a. I'm using air quotes here.
Speaker A:A real incident, but it's kind of a real incident.
Speaker A:So the last thing we're going to talk about, because we got to get some spooky spook if we're going to be talking about Ouija, is the case of Ronald Hunkeler, or also known as Robbie Doe or Roland Doe or Robbie Manheim because the church apparently changed his name a lot to protect him or some other bullshit.
Speaker A:So Robbie it was what, we're just gonna go with that name because that's where he was mainly referred to.
Speaker A:His real name is Ronald.
Speaker A: in Cottage city, Maryland in: Speaker A:So just the Maryland Center Capital.
Speaker B:Same man.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:His dad was a lapsed Catholic and his mom a Lutheran and according to more sources, he had a troubled childhood.
Speaker A:And I'll get later into what some of those troubles were.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:First, everyone in the house started hearing some scratching sounding like mice or rats are in there.
Speaker A:And then they started hearing footsteps in the hall.
Speaker A:Then Robbie started being attacked.
Speaker A:His sheets were pulled off the bed.
Speaker A:He was pulled onto the floor with them.
Speaker A:And other poltergeist.
Speaker A:Really big thunder just rolled through.
Speaker A:This is great.
Speaker B:Is that what that was?
Speaker B:I was wondering what that was.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're getting.
Speaker A:We're getting some mood thunder, guys.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Then real poltergeist, like, activity started exploding all over the house.
Speaker A:There was furniture moving, following pictures, you know, all the shit that you would see, like, when a poltergeist is around.
Speaker A:But what does this have to do with Ouija, Right?
Speaker A:So some theories are.
Speaker A:Is that Robbie had an aunt Tilly, and she apparently died at the beginning of this year when everything went down.
Speaker A:But she was a spiritualist, and she had talked to Robbie about the paranormal activity.
Speaker A:And they used to use a talking board together.
Speaker A:And Robbie's parents like, oh, he tried to talk to her after she died.
Speaker A:So that's one theory.
Speaker A:And I'll get into later why that's probably not true.
Speaker A:But anyhow.
Speaker A:So Robbie's episodes continue.
Speaker A:And his folks took him to the Lutheran minister, and he didn't have any luck because Lutherans don't do exorcisms.
Speaker A:And this guy was like, hey, you know, maybe he needs to go to a mental hospital.
Speaker A:Like, maybe something's wrong with Robbie.
Speaker A:So he goes there and he gets worse.
Speaker A:And according to some reports, the message Go to St. Louis appeared scratched on his skin and blood red letters.
Speaker A:And his parents are like, cool, cool arm scratches tell us what to do now.
Speaker A:Let's go to St. Louis.
Speaker A:So they go to St. Louis where they had relatives, and they're like, his mom's family member were Catholics.
Speaker A:And they're like, yo, we need some Catholic priests here.
Speaker A:Like, something's wrong.
Speaker A:This kid is demonically possessed or schizophrenia.
Speaker A:But, you know, so the kid is demonically possessed.
Speaker A:And basically the Catholic Church is like, yeah, sounds great.
Speaker A:So they started exercising him in the house in March 16th of that year at the home of his relatives.
Speaker A:So Johnny's like, fuck you guys, like, come to my house and, like, have some exorcisms.
Speaker A:Like, no, like, you're the worst house guest ever.
Speaker A:You don't want to get.
Speaker B:You don't have to get that demon out of Your carpet.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's gonna.
Speaker A:Demons leave messy shit.
Speaker A:Like this kid's already, like, bleeding out.
Speaker B:Of his arm residue or whatever the fuck.
Speaker B:You know, you might get some of that.
Speaker A:There's me incense or throwing, like, water everywhere.
Speaker A:Like, crucifix is falling off the wall.
Speaker A:Yeah, just not good.
Speaker A:So while they're doing this, some of the symptoms Robbie purportedly exhibit, you see, and this is also why terrible house guests.
Speaker A:He was coughing up phlegm, drooling.
Speaker A:He had painful bloody welts.
Speaker A:He was scratched up.
Speaker A:He cursed like a sailor and he vomited and spit a lot.
Speaker A:So he did a lot of long distance spitting.
Speaker A:And this is actually true because they found out later, like, he was a kid.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, no, the kid could spit like 10ft.
Speaker A:Like, it was crazy.
Speaker A:Also peed a lot.
Speaker A:So we've got like blood, phlegm, mucus pee.
Speaker A:Get the fuck out of my house.
Speaker A:You go say at the HoJo, like, no, we are not this close to a family.
Speaker A:Get the fuck out.
Speaker A:Anyway, so the priests are there, and so he would attack them and he would act like normal and then it would start all over again.
Speaker A:One part I think was really funny.
Speaker A:According to one of the priests, they.
Speaker A:He went back to Maryland for a short lived visit, and on the train rides, he became maniacal and he started striking Father Bowden in the testicles, yelling, that's a nutcracker for you, isn't it?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Oh, to be on that train and be like, there's this teenager kicking a priest in the nuts.
Speaker A:They come back and so they took him back to a hospital and they continue to kind of exorcism.
Speaker A:And they're like, hey, this heathen boy hasn't been baptized.
Speaker A:That'll cure him.
Speaker A:So they go to the church and then he went crazy.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, we can't take him to the actual church because he's probably going to desecrate it.
Speaker A:Obviously, he's been peeing and, like, throwing up everywhere.
Speaker A:Like, maybe we don't want to clean up the altar.
Speaker B:They don't have the budget for that janitorial staff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, we're going to baptize him in the rectory.
Speaker A:And they were able to baptize him and give him communion, but he was still vomiting blood and snot the whole time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, and, you know, Catholic baptism is different than some of the other religions.
Speaker A:It's not the full water dunk.
Speaker A:And maybe they're like, no, we're just gonna throw you in this font.
Speaker A:Like you just need to get in here.
Speaker A:Like this is.
Speaker A:This is getting real messy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Can you please bath anyways because you got all that like all these body fluids all over.
Speaker A:You know, this is just unsanitary.
Speaker A:We're just.
Speaker A:We need to clean you.
Speaker A:So for several weeks, the exorcism moved between the hospital hospital, a college church, and then that home on Roanoke Drive.
Speaker A:And in mid April, the right was moved back to the Alexian Brothers Hospital, which no longer exists.
Speaker A:And the final exorcism was conducted in the psychiatric wing.
Speaker A:Shocking.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And the priests placed rosaries and religious medallions around his neck.
Speaker A:And they force a crucifix in his hand.
Speaker A:And a Father Bishop diary.
Speaker A:He said at midnight the fathers planned to give him Holy Communion, but Satan would have no part of it.
Speaker A:Even while the institution of the Blessed Sacrament was explained to him.
Speaker A:His body was badly scratched and branded.
Speaker A:The word hello was printed on his chest and thigh.
Speaker A:Upon explanation of the apostles becoming priests and receiving our Lord at the Last Supper.
Speaker A:Scratches appeared from his hips to his ankles in heavy line, seemingly as a protest to the Holy Communion.
Speaker A:But the possession finally came to an end when during the final session, the young boy unexpectedly cried out, satan, I am Saint Michael.
Speaker A:I command you to leave the body now.
Speaker A:And after that, his body went to a violent spasm.
Speaker A:He uttered, he is gone.
Speaker A:And he was cured.
Speaker A:So they go back to Maryland.
Speaker A:His dad and his mom are now Catholics and he grew up fine.
Speaker A:Eventually we're to fasta.
Speaker A:So, yeah, he.
Speaker A:He became a NASA scientist.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, wait, what?
Speaker A:Yeah, there were a bunch of weirdos in NASA and jpl.
Speaker A:And someday we'll tell the story of the occult and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and why we have rockets.
Speaker A:But so the real question is, was it real?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Did this happen?
Speaker A:And so you have a question.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, go ahead.
Speaker B:No, I'm just processing.
Speaker B:I'm processing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it was reported in several newspapers at the time and corroborated, according to those writings by several Jesuit priests and other witnesses.
Speaker A:But modern skeptics have been skeptics because that's what they do.
Speaker A:And according to an investigation to Mark Opposition Opus Hasnick.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Sorry, Mark from Strange magazine.
Speaker A:Many of the details of the story, including where the boy was from and whether he was taken to Georgetown Hospital for treatment, were false.
Speaker A:They do think that either Aunt Tilly or his grandmother sexually abused him as a kid, which is real sad, but would explain, you know, I think either mental illness or schizophrenia, which tends to happen like.
Speaker A:Or poltergeist activity that usually happens around 13 to kids who have been abused.
Speaker A:Like, these things, like, typically start splitting up around them.
Speaker A:So I think that could actually make some sort of sense if it was a poltergeist.
Speaker A:Guys are just like, he got real up.
Speaker A:But his childhood best friend was found.
Speaker A:He just said, well, basically the kid was a mean bastard.
Speaker A:And he was an only child who went through.
Speaker A:Went through anything but a normal childhood.
Speaker A:He was smothered by his obsessively religious mother and grandmother who held deep interest in spiritualism and ouija boards.
Speaker A:He was shunned by his classmates at school, Prone to tantrums and even violent outbursts towards his family and his friends, Exhibiting cruel, at times, even sadistic behavior towards children and animals.
Speaker A:So he was not ice animals.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Probably was a serial killer at some point.
Speaker A: ual did occur in St. Louis in: Speaker A:There were diary accounts recorded by at least two priests who say they participate in the rituals.
Speaker A:And we do know that he was going back and forth.
Speaker A:And in the rare books and archives division of Saint Louis University Pius VII memorial library.
Speaker A:God.
Speaker A:Get a short name for your library.
Speaker A:There are several binders of documents on the case of Roland Doe, which is one of his fake names which inspired the exorcist book in film.
Speaker A:And so the one living, talking eyewitness to the St. Louis exorcism.
Speaker A:The tent.
Speaker A:And this was in the 90s.
Speaker A:I'm sure he's dead now.
Speaker A:Maintains that he did not witness any supernatural behavior by Rob Doe.
Speaker A:No strange foreign languages other than mimic language.
Speaker A:No changes in tone or voice.
Speaker A:No prodigious strength.
Speaker A:No excessive vomiting or urinating.
Speaker A:And to top it off, he is uncertain about the nature of the markings or the skin brandings in the boy's body.
Speaker A:He saw.
Speaker A:He was like.
Speaker A:That looks a lot like lipstick.
Speaker A:So that's kind of like it.
Speaker A:The home where he stayed with his family is actually a popular tourist destination now.
Speaker A:So you can go to Roanoke Drive and see the house.
Speaker A:And many investigate paranormal investigators have been there over the years.
Speaker A:Years.
Speaker A:Like the ghost adventures crew went there.
Speaker A:But if you look at the pictures, this looks like a nice colonial brick house.
Speaker A:Looks pretty nice.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So how so?
Speaker B:I mean, like.
Speaker B:So this guy works at NASA.
Speaker B:We know for sure.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker A:I mean, he.
Speaker A:I think he's probably dead now.
Speaker A:I mean, when the last person that.
Speaker B:What did he say about it?
Speaker B:If they knew who he was and.
Speaker A:Where he was when the investigators Figured out who he was and tracked him down.
Speaker A:He just said he didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker B:I mean, that's fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I would either because I mean probably.
Speaker A:I mean it was either one.
Speaker A:He was a troubled kid with emotional issues, probably really sick.
Speaker A:And they had a bunch of priests yelling at him all the time and throwing shit.
Speaker B:Didn't want to lose security clearance or loses it.
Speaker A:Yeah, like NASA.
Speaker A:Did you look that shit up?
Speaker A:Or maybe that's why NASA brought him in.
Speaker A:They're like, so we have this program, we think you can get up into.
Speaker B:Your demonic and you can tap into your demonic connections for us.
Speaker A:We also heard you spit real nice.
Speaker B:So I just, I. I don't know.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But like some of the stuff that seems.
Speaker B:Some of those kinds of stories are always weird to me because I.
Speaker B:You, while I am, I think somewhat skeptical.
Speaker B:You are much more skeptical than I am.
Speaker B:And I'm like, but how do you explain A or B?
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And, and so I'm a little bit more like.
Speaker B:And I love my Catholic mysticism, which obviously ties into exorcism.
Speaker A:So I love mysticism.
Speaker A:But you know, like he scratched himself.
Speaker A:He was a really good spitter.
Speaker A:He shook his bed, you know, he scratched the hall.
Speaker A:He like threw the sheets off him.
Speaker A:There are a lot of ways to explain this.
Speaker A:And they said he was a mean kid.
Speaker A:He had a dog that he stuck, like suck, like sucked sick on his best friend.
Speaker A:Like he had a chow.
Speaker A:And he like trained him to attack people and he would like sic him on his friend and be like, haha, the dog's attacking you.
Speaker A:Like he was a dick.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I mean, granted he was also heavily emotionally abused apparently.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not.
Speaker B:I mean, but so like having the exorcism safe solved his emotional issues from being abused.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's weird.
Speaker B:Well, I'm not discounting the.
Speaker B:Your lore.
Speaker B:I'm just fascinated by the story.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, and it.
Speaker A:Supposedly the Catholic Church like kept an eye on him and things.
Speaker A:Things throughout the years, but as they would do with most of their exorcism cases.
Speaker A:But there's also an amazing lightning storm that's happening.
Speaker A:So I think I'm about to get struck by lightning.
Speaker A:Well, I'll just, I'll keep blaspheming like,.
Speaker B:So what's the theory on like when there are is like poltergeist activity in a household?
Speaker B:Like when they, I mean.
Speaker A:Well, we'll get to, we'll definitely do it.
Speaker A:We'll dive deep into it.
Speaker A:But I mean from a psychological perspective and from other things, this is more of a mysticism.
Speaker A:It's just that teenagers have a lot of emotions like.
Speaker A:And so they, that builds.
Speaker A:One of the theories about why you get a poltergeist is that that's building up a lot of psychic energy in the house and that's what's creating the phenomenon because they really do tend to happen around kids of a certain age and usually kids who've been going through trauma or other, other things like that.
Speaker A:So I mean this, this really, to me it sounded more like a poltergeist than, than a demon possession.
Speaker A:But you know, I mean Catholics gotta, gotta exercise things.
Speaker B:So I'm pretty hesitant to do that shit nowadays though.
Speaker B:You have to find the right ones.
Speaker B:The Vatican does not like getting the press on that now.
Speaker A:But they still exist.
Speaker A:I really.
Speaker A:There are a number.
Speaker A:We talked a bit about the show.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, there's still plenty of exorcisms that are happening and happening in the US and he's like, oh, there's something wrong with my child.
Speaker A:He must be possessed by a demon.
Speaker A:Not, hey, we should go get my child some professional mental health.
Speaker B:You know, I think they're very limited.
Speaker B:Limited in their being endorsed by the church now.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I think there's the Church.
Speaker B:The Vatican itself is kind of like very backed off about it.
Speaker B:But that doesn't mean some old school priest isn't gonna.
Speaker A:I'm sure there is a shadow org of, you know, a shadow org.
Speaker A:And then it also really depends too what part of the world you're in.
Speaker A:So I think, you know, if you're in less developed nations, you're going to see them a lot more there than you are going to be in the States.
Speaker A:But the States has a number of, you know, we don't even just have the.
Speaker A:There's a number of fucked up religious things that happen in the United States.
Speaker B:So I'm sure it's just interesting.
Speaker B:I'm interested.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just fascinating to me.
Speaker A:And that's why we have a show.
Speaker A:We will talk more about it in the future.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So yeah, that was a Ouija.
Speaker A:And of course there's many other fun stories about, you know, there is one that I was, I was like, I just wanted to focus on Robbie.
Speaker A:I knew this was going to take a while so I kind of veered off things.
Speaker A:But there's some cases like, especially in like the 20s to 40s of people who like got divorced because the Ouija board told them their wife was cheating on them.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Did you, did you use it?
Speaker B:Yeah, we did.
Speaker B:We would do all kinds of crazy shit.
Speaker B:Like thought we were having like we have like.
Speaker B:We have like try to have seances and I was in the generation in like the 80s of a. I was a weird kid who liked fantasy shit.
Speaker B:But also like when you like played outside and made.
Speaker B:Did a lot of make believe, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Like, ran around in the field behind the house and shit.
Speaker B:And so we did a lot of Ouija boards, We did a lot of make believe.
Speaker B:We did seances.
Speaker B:We would try to make potions.
Speaker A:Oh, you mean potions.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker B:Totally, totally.
Speaker B:Got an allergic reaction to the one that was supposed to make wings on my back.
Speaker B:Did not work for the record either, but.
Speaker A:Turn around, let me see you back.
Speaker A:Let me see your wings.
Speaker B:No wings.
Speaker B:Sorry to disappoint.
Speaker B:But yeah, like we did all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker A:Damn, that'd be so cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's.
Speaker A:Let's work on that potion next time I'm in Dallas.
Speaker A:Let's try and make.
Speaker A:Try and make Diana's wings sprout again.
Speaker B:Grow wings and have an allergic reaction to whatever I picked in the field and put in it.
Speaker B:Yeah, we did poison ivy.
Speaker B:We'd get freaked out.
Speaker B:No, it wasn't poison ivy, but it wasn't that bad.
Speaker B:It was just a little itchy.
Speaker B:But we like, we would do.
Speaker B:We did the Bloody Mary stuff.
Speaker B:We did all that stuff and it freaked me the out because I'm a bliss and as you know.
Speaker B:So it was very challenging.
Speaker B:And maybe that's why I'm such a wuss.
Speaker B:Just because I did all this as a kid and I'm like, no, I saw some spirits that shit.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:I did that shit as a kid too, so.
Speaker B:But it scared me.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:We did that a lot.
Speaker B:We thought there was.
Speaker B:We thought there were spirits.
Speaker B:Like there was more than once of like, you know where we like burst out of her.
Speaker B:The bedroom.
Speaker B:Out of my friend's bedroom and like run downstairs like mom, like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, legit.
Speaker B:Go sit outside.
Speaker B:Go sit outside in the sun.
Speaker B:Because it feels way safer than being in the dark room with the blinds closed with a Ouija board, you know, that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:And then he burned it.
Speaker A:Burn the Ouija board.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah, there's a couple books and I'll post them in the show in the show notes.
Speaker A:I have some really great stories about.
Speaker A:I was reading this one and I was sitting Diana pictures.
Speaker A:I was on my sleep study.
Speaker A:Ouija Gone Wild.
Speaker A:And it's really good.
Speaker A:There's some good stuff stories in there.
Speaker A:And Morbid did a really good podcast on it with.
Speaker A:They did a bunch of listener tales on it.
Speaker A:And they brought up the Zozo thing on theirs too, which I've read.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a demon that shows up at a lot of Ouija board things apparently.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:So I think it sounds like a fluffy animal.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:It sounds very floofy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:All right, so Ouija.
Speaker A:I will hopefully get to go see some exciting Ouija things next week and I will.
Speaker A:Will bring you guys pictures.
Speaker A:So back to Sam and his talking.
Speaker B:Board and the mystical talking board with.
Speaker B:With Dean.
Speaker A:And also, yes, there were also, like, things named mystical talking board.
Speaker A:But the people who have the Ouija novelty company, like, because they patent it.
Speaker A:There was like, many trademark wars over people who were trying to make other talking boards.
Speaker A:Like, there is a whole bunch of corporate history on this that I would just thought would be too boring to go out into you.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm like, there's not really a competition for the Ouija board.
Speaker B:Like, there was.
Speaker A:Yeah, they were like, no, we have a patent.
Speaker A:And the patent doesn't say anything about it being used to communicate with the dad.
Speaker A:It just says for fun and amusement.
Speaker A:But they're just like, we have trademarked this.
Speaker A:This is ours.
Speaker A:And they would sue the shit out of anybody who came in it.
Speaker A:And they had, like, rival companies came up and they had gang wars about it.
Speaker A:Well, okay, they didn't have gang wars, but yeah, in my mind they did.
Speaker A: It was: Speaker A:They all had little music hats on.
Speaker A:They're like dancing straight.
Speaker A:They snapped in there and it's like, you can't use my talking board.
Speaker A:And then, like, one of them was like, I've got a polka.
Speaker A:And then they started doing the planchette polka and.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:That sounds totally like what I would.
Speaker A:That is what happened in history Fat.
Speaker B:This has been enough.
Speaker B:Your edition of Liz and Diana's history reenactments.
Speaker B:They always, always are musicals.
Speaker B:Just warning you now.
Speaker A:Everybody sang like, that's that.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:That does how history was like, there's a reason why Hamilton is popular.
Speaker A:They were all singing.
Speaker A:That is how the country was founded.
Speaker A:That's why we have a federal bank.
Speaker A:People were singing.
Speaker B:That's what it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So talking board,.
Speaker B:Dean's able to basically tell Sam that he's hunting something at the hospital, but that he can't kill death.
Speaker B:The Sam goes to talk to John and tell him, holy shit, I just talked to Dean.
Speaker B:And he's fighting.
Speaker B:He's hunting something in the hospital.
Speaker B:And of course John is gone.
Speaker B:Because John is a big fat fucking liar.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Big fat liar.
Speaker A:And he's going off to summon a demon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the boiler room.
Speaker B:And I wrote John in the boiler room with bag.
Speaker B:Looks like he's going to summon a fucking demon.
Speaker A:And chalk.
Speaker A:He had a lot of chalk, so I hope that was on the list.
Speaker A:Like, I want some big ass fat pieces of chocolate Shock.
Speaker A:Because it wouldn't suck.
Speaker A:It got like the little pieces.
Speaker A:Like one little piece.
Speaker B:You're like trying to, like, pressing your finger on the concrete trying to get that last line in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam decides to go through John's journal because apparently he left that behind with.
Speaker B:He took a giant duffel bag full of supplies.
Speaker B:But leaves his journal.
Speaker B:Makes total sense.
Speaker B:And he's flipping through it and gets a section on reapers and stops.
Speaker B:And that's when Dean figures out that Tessa is not actually just another innocent spirit trapped like he is.
Speaker B:Tessa's a fucking reaper?
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:And I'm like, hey, if you're gonna try and trick Dean with something, might as well make her a pretty girl.
Speaker A:Like, you know Isabelle.
Speaker B:He's a sucker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyways.
Speaker B:And so she's trying to.
Speaker B:So he.
Speaker B:He basically confronts her and she's like not to.
Speaker B:Tells him not to fear death because it's his time.
Speaker B:Like, oh, that's fine.
Speaker B:Heavy.
Speaker A:Yeah, Well, I mean, it is, but also.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go back and John is summoning old Yellow Eyes.
Speaker A:Yellow eyes.
Speaker B:Yellow eyes.
Speaker A:So, something else I learned too.
Speaker A:So the contacts he was wearing, the yellow ones.
Speaker A:When you put them on, you can't see anything.
Speaker A:So basically he was like.
Speaker A:At first it was kind of cool.
Speaker A:I was like, I'm gonna delve into, like, this acting.
Speaker A:And people are, like, leading me around trying to my marks.
Speaker A:He's like.
Speaker A:Then they started getting really painful and really fucking annoying.
Speaker A:And he, like, kept, like, missing where he was supposed to go.
Speaker A:And they had like, sandbags on the floor for his marks.
Speaker A:We kept missing him and people just had to keep posing him.
Speaker A:And when Tessa gets her yellow eyes, apparently, like, she couldn't see either.
Speaker A:And she kept missing Dean's face if she was trying to touch it.
Speaker B:That's hilarious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, like, the yellow.
Speaker B:I couldn't see that Because I just assumed they're.
Speaker B:I mean, obviously they're partially cgi, but they kind of like swirly.
Speaker B:So, I mean, like, yeah, they're just contacts.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:That's wild.
Speaker A:And again.
Speaker A:Again, gothic people don't wear those contacts.
Speaker A:They look stupid.
Speaker A:Okay, so we get all your eyes.
Speaker B:We get.
Speaker B:Get all yellow.
Speaker B:All yellow eyes shows up and.
Speaker B:And two of his helpers are with him too.
Speaker B:And John.
Speaker B:John points the Colt at him.
Speaker B:But instead of hand, you know, instead of handing it over, says he wants to make a deal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Shit.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:That's all I can think.
Speaker B:John makes weird choices.
Speaker A:So anyways, he does, because he's a shitbag.
Speaker A:So for the good of the world, he's a shitbag.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we get a demon deal.
Speaker B:Demon deal.
Speaker B:And so then we cut back to Dean, basically trying to negotiate and bargain with Tessa about not dying.
Speaker B:Because that's what.
Speaker B:Because he doesn't think he's ready and he needs to stick around.
Speaker B:And she gives a kind of a.
Speaker B:Up, like, thing about, like, basically, you don't have to come with me, but you're just gonna be stuck here.
Speaker B:And over time, you're gonna lose your.
Speaker B:And become a thing that you've hunted, which is a.
Speaker B:A.
Speaker B:An angry spirit.
Speaker A:Which is kind of what you're like, oh, that's awful.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is also great because we're setting up the reason why they're ghosts, right?
Speaker A:So it's like, this is how we got ghosts.
Speaker A:Their reaper came.
Speaker A:So this is in our mythology.
Speaker A:And they're like, no, I'm gonna stay here.
Speaker A:I've got some shit to do.
Speaker A:And then they became angry spirits.
Speaker A:I think it's kind of cool.
Speaker B:It's kind of a cool line, like, where he asks, like, what's.
Speaker B:What's next?
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:She's like, I can't give away the punchline.
Speaker B:I thought that was kind of a cool line in there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We also miss Sam giving Dina's Wilson Phillips monologue.
Speaker A:Which I was.
Speaker A:He was, like, singing, hold on for one more day.
Speaker A:And he was getting his.
Speaker A:Bro, don't leave me, bro.
Speaker B:I skipped that part.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:No, but it's fine.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I just got that song stuck in my head as I was watching it.
Speaker B:Hold on for one more day Things.
Speaker A:Go your way all right, so we're back, and John and Old Yellow Eyes and they're equipping it up.
Speaker B:And basically, he offers to trade the cult in the last bullet to Yellow Eyes to save Dean.
Speaker B:I'M like, that was.
Speaker B:I was pretty surprised.
Speaker B:And then we also do learn that there is the something specific.
Speaker B:We know that the demon wants something specific with Sam and the other children that he's been trying to take.
Speaker B:And we gets revealed here that John knows what it is, even though he's denied that he knows what that connection is.
Speaker B:We know he knows what it is, though he doesn't tell us yet.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyways, the demon basically says, like, yeah, I. I can.
Speaker B:I can make sure Sam or Dean is saved, but I want something more than just the cold.
Speaker B:And then we cut again.
Speaker A:I think he wanted a sweet booty.
Speaker A:I think that was.
Speaker A:That was what he wanted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Trade for trade, man.
Speaker A:You know, this isn't.
Speaker A:The stick isn't going to touch itself, John.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Yeah, this is shaking her head like,.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm leaving that one alone.
Speaker B:I'm leaving that one alone.
Speaker B:Good Lord.
Speaker B:Good Lord.
Speaker B:So anyways, we cut back to, you know, Dean's still trying to talk to Tessa into not taking him, but then we already start hearing noises.
Speaker B:And he's asking her what she's doing.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm not fucking doing that.
Speaker B:And she turns around, and you see the demon smoke coming through the vent.
Speaker B:And she screams, you can't do this.
Speaker B:But the demon smoke goes in her mouth anyways.
Speaker B:And then she turns around and she has the yellow eyes, like he says.
Speaker B:And she, like.
Speaker B:And she says in the demon voice, she says, today's your lucky day, kid.
Speaker B:And she grabs his head.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's the one she kept missing.
Speaker A:But I really wanted to see that blooper reel.
Speaker A:I'm just like.
Speaker B:Because it's such a dramatic, like, moment that's, like, extra funny.
Speaker B:Then when it's, like, real awkward.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, apparently, even though this episode was really heavy, like, they were just laughing the whole time.
Speaker A:And we get to the next scene, and, you know, John's telling Dean his secrets.
Speaker A:He was apparently whispering dirty things in his ear.
Speaker A:And they won't say what it was, but I do want to know.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean wakes up in his body, obviously, because he's been saved by the fucking demon because his dad traded something, the cult and something else for it.
Speaker B:And Dr. Is there, and he can't explain how Dean's recovered or how he.
Speaker A:Got all those tests done that fast.
Speaker A:I'm like, holy shit, you got a bunch of medical tests done real quick.
Speaker B:Well, and then.
Speaker B:But what's weird is, apparently Dean has no recollection of being outside of his body.
Speaker B:I thought that part was weird.
Speaker B:That was surprising and odd to me.
Speaker B:So John walks in to Sam and Dean being in the Dean's room.
Speaker B:And him and Dean are there.
Speaker B:I think like this is kind of a weird scene.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He's telling Sam that he wasn't going after the demon.
Speaker B:Sam doesn't really believe him.
Speaker B:They just don't really want to fight again.
Speaker B:John's very, very, very passive in this scene.
Speaker B:It's kind of a weird one where he's just like, I don't want to fight.
Speaker B:You know, it is.
Speaker A:I think John knows he's gonna die.
Speaker A:It isn't what his last memories with his kids to be of him and Sam fighting again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So he sends.
Speaker B:But he sends Sam away and then goes over.
Speaker B:He's like super sentimental to Dean.
Speaker B:How he put too much on his shoulders, yada, yada, yada.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker B:Who are you?
Speaker B:This is not how my dad talks to me.
Speaker B:And then he whispers something like John leans in his whispering, which you said is apparently dirty jokes, which is hilarious.
Speaker B:But was whispering something that didn't tell us.
Speaker B:And then he leaves the room.
Speaker A:And we see John give the cult to someone.
Speaker A:We don't see who.
Speaker A:We just see the gun go on the table.
Speaker A:And then he dead.
Speaker B:Then he's dead.
Speaker B:And Sam finds him dead on the floor.
Speaker A:And we get a very dramatic coffee dropping thing where the liquid pops up and you just see the slow motion busyness of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like ending of this.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I feel very.
Speaker B:I feel.
Speaker B:I feel a little blindsided.
Speaker A:Why is that?
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:Think John owed them more information?
Speaker A:Yeah, but no, he was.
Speaker A:He was a liar and a shitty guy and he's gonna keep that to himself.
Speaker A:And he told Dean he just waited until he was about to die.
Speaker A:We don't know what he told him.
Speaker A:Told him something.
Speaker A:Maybe he left them a note.
Speaker B:Did he feel like.
Speaker B:I feel like he thought like he was like almost like martyring himself himself for Dean.
Speaker B:And I feel like that's unfair too.
Speaker B:So that's my shitty comment about John because I think John's kind of a dick.
Speaker A:No, I mean he was being wrong.
Speaker A:He's being a martyr.
Speaker A:He also basically went through and he sacrificed himself.
Speaker B:Don't get me wrong.
Speaker B:I'm not like denigrating that like he saved his son.
Speaker B:But he put his opposition.
Speaker A:And he said things to Dean that he didn't say to Sam.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So he was just he was not good to Sam.
Speaker A:Like, there's a bunch of.
Speaker A:You're a bad.
Speaker A:You're a bad dad, John.
Speaker A:Bad dad.
Speaker B:And I'm kind of surprised.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't think that.
Speaker B:I thought.
Speaker B:I thought his character carried on more in the series than this.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:You're gonna have to watch 14 more seasons and then you'll see.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:That was the impression I had got.
Speaker B:Have.
Speaker B:Have been given from my limited exposure to fandom, that this is.
Speaker B:Seems like a very.
Speaker A:You also know that he went on to be in the Walking Dead.
Speaker A:So how do you do both?
Speaker B:He may have never had.
Speaker B:He may have been very busy with Walking Dead and had to die.
Speaker B:That could have just been all there was.
Speaker A:So this time he was, I think, just finishing up Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker A:He was on Grey's Not.
Speaker A:He also died in Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker A:Spoiler alert.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:But yeah, he was in that one for probably like six months.
Speaker A:But that was during the.
Speaker A:While they were filming season one, so I don't know.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yep, he gets written off here.
Speaker A:But you know, this one.
Speaker A:It's a way to move the plot line along.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:We get him out and then.
Speaker A:So what is.
Speaker A:But we still have the.
Speaker A:The first thing from season one is still unresolved.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:We still.
Speaker A:Old yellow ass is still out there.
Speaker A:We still know Sam's psychic thing, right.
Speaker A:We don't know what's going on with that.
Speaker B:And that's still developing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And will they be able to put baby back together?
Speaker A:What's happened in trunk?
Speaker B:That's a serious conversation.
Speaker B:Bobby sure as didn't think so.
Speaker B:I like Bobby.
Speaker B:Can they hang out with him more?
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we'll see.
Speaker B:Sounds entertaining to me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he.
Speaker A:He sounds like a Texan.
Speaker A:That's why you like him?
Speaker B:Is that what it is?
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker B:This is our people.
Speaker A:These are people.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:He drinks it.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna smell anything.
Speaker A:I may be around, he may not.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I've seen it implied that he's around at least some.
Speaker B:I know he's not gone.
Speaker B:I just don't know how much much.
Speaker A:Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker A:We got 14 more.
Speaker A:14 More years of this, so I.
Speaker B:Know we're in for the long haul.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think that what you're.
Speaker B:What you're saying up front about the writers and how they took this episode like other.
Speaker B:I mean, not other than John dying.
Speaker B:It was a little bit lighter and a little bit more on kind of some of the, like, it felt more story oriented than it did, like, hit it and quit it episode.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:It's not a standalone.
Speaker A:It's definitely not a standalone episode.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's not a monster of the week, even though there was kind of a monster.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's what we've seen before.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But really it was more about how do we get from you got hit by a truck to here.
Speaker A:And I think they did you a pretty good job of going from you got hit by a truck.
Speaker A:This is where we're at.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:And I think it's a good way to start the season.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, you're starting it with some good conflict up front with.
Speaker B:With John dying and then with.
Speaker B:With what that means for the brothers going off on their mission and decide what they.
Speaker B:What they're have to decide what they're going to do.
Speaker B:Are they still on the mission after this?
Speaker B:So I think there's a lot I don't know.
Speaker A:Do they stop hunting?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm sure there's.
Speaker B:There's 14 seasons of following Sam at Stanford and around.
Speaker B:That's all there is going on.
Speaker A:Yeah, it actually, it's just.
Speaker A:It becomes a procedural.
Speaker A:It's just Law and Order and, like, Dean runs the bar where Sam goes and drinks after court.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's what happens with the rest of the Supernatural.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:So, I mean, obviously.
Speaker B:I know, but I mean, like, how they approach it and what they decide to do I think is kind of, you know, that's going to be the story, obviously, for the upcoming part of this season at least.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I really.
Speaker A:I think that's all I've got to say about this episode.
Speaker A:Unless you have anything else.
Speaker B:I like the tone.
Speaker B:I'm excited to see where it goes.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:I'm very excited to see Dean's button in a hospital gown.
Speaker A:That's my.
Speaker A:That's my takeaway.
Speaker A:All right, so I think we're going to end it on that.
Speaker B:So.
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