2:02 Everybody Loves a Clown
We discuss Supernatural Season Two, Episode Two "Everybody Loves A Clown" and discuss why nobody loves the clown in this episode. We also learn about the wondrous Impala Land! Then come down the lore hole and find out the difference between Phantom Clowns and Stalking Clowns. It could save your life.
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Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We talk about psycho carnies in clown suits.
Speaker B:We travel to Impala land.
Speaker A:And the debut of Liz's new poem, Fuck that clown.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Everybody loves a clown Season 2 Episode 2 How are you this week, Liz?
Speaker B:I'm good, Diana.
Speaker B:So I'm Liz.
Speaker B:That's Diana.
Speaker B:What up?
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's humid as fuck.
Speaker B:Humid af like my house.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's because I opened windows last night.
Speaker B:I keep turning down the air conditioning.
Speaker B:It just makes it cold.
Speaker B:Humid.
Speaker B:I can't explain how disgusting it feels.
Speaker B:Don't want to eat food.
Speaker B:I don't want to do anything.
Speaker B:I just want to, like, not be in this house.
Speaker B:But I have to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know what's up with the monsoons.
Speaker B:We had crazy hail all day and I'm worried about my baby plants.
Speaker B:And if they can make a thundercat.
Speaker B:A thunder.
Speaker B:Thundercat.
Speaker B:Thunder shirt for cats.
Speaker B:Which would be great because then someone should call it a thundercat.
Speaker A:Obviously.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:Dude, somebody, if you.
Speaker B:If you end up going with that, I want some money.
Speaker B:All right, so make a few free ones.
Speaker A:At least.
Speaker A:A few.
Speaker A:At least a few thundershirts for cats.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, there's no way my cat would ever get into a thunder shirt.
Speaker B:Like, she'd be more freaked out by the thunder shirt than by.
Speaker A:I can help.
Speaker B:I mean, I can get her in it.
Speaker B:She just.
Speaker B:It wouldn't be.
Speaker B:It wouldn't end well.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Well, yes, I heard it.
Speaker B:I heard it was flooding up in Dallas.
Speaker A:Yeah, we had some fun flooding yesterday.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:We made a trek out for.
Speaker A:To go try out a barbecue spot.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then decided to do nothing else the rest of the day because we started seeing all the flood footage and we're like, no, not.
Speaker A:I don't need to drive anywhere.
Speaker A:But we did make it out Saturday.
Speaker A:Saturday was freaking gorgeous.
Speaker A:And we had a garage sale.
Speaker A:Gotta be rid of a bunch of crap from our house.
Speaker A:And then went on a little date night.
Speaker A:And it was fun.
Speaker A:We actually stopped by.
Speaker A:We were in Bishop Arts District in Oak Cliff in Dallas and had sushi, but then popped over to a place called Revelers Hall.
Speaker A:And it's a New Orleans style, like, bar.
Speaker A:We've actually been once.
Speaker A:You've been with me once.
Speaker A:And they were doing this for a special.
Speaker A:It was somebody's birthday or something.
Speaker A:And they rolled in a 20 person orchestra in this tiny bar, like chair, like rows of two rows of chairs on one side, right in the entry.
Speaker A:And then like on the other side was the drums and piano, upright bass, all that.
Speaker A:And like, and it was like full on like jazz orchestra.
Speaker A:It was pretty, pretty freaking cool.
Speaker A:So we got to sit and listen to that and have some cocktails.
Speaker A:It's almost surreal, like just because a thing's been so shut down.
Speaker A:But then on top of that, just like you don't expect to hear like they have jazz and brass bands all the time there, but it's usually like a three piece, a five piece, not 20 in there playing like whole horn section.
Speaker A:It was pretty rad.
Speaker A:So we saw that.
Speaker A:That was my excitement of the weekend, if you will.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And yeah, now I'm just cracked open some Coleman wine again because that's what I've got because I'm running low on wine and enjoying that this evening.
Speaker B:So I have a special cocktail in honor of this week's podcast.
Speaker B:Yes, I had Amazon bring me Faygo because we're talking about clowns.
Speaker B:So the Juggalo, I got the Juggalos soda of choice and now I have a bunch of it and I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do with it.
Speaker B:So I have made a cocktail with the vanilla.
Speaker B:It is vanilla cream soda.
Speaker B:Faygo mixed it with the high spiced rum and then added in some bitter just to cut the sweetness a bit.
Speaker B:And then also added in some dark.
Speaker B:The rum soaked dark cherries into still.
Speaker B:Tastes like the diabetes in glass.
Speaker B:And I will probably be up shaking from sugar all night.
Speaker A:But you're down with the clown.
Speaker B:Whoop, whoop.
Speaker B:Is that an ICP sound?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I did not know ICPs made that noise.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've got ICP stories.
Speaker B:I'm sure you do.
Speaker B:And there will be places for ICP stories tonight.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, My only ICP stories.
Speaker A:I have seen them in person at a concert on purpose for that's one.
Speaker A:But there's another that's a pretty good one.
Speaker B:So the only story I have is that I had a cow and she had a white face, so she was my jugamoo.
Speaker A:I wouldn't say I ever qualified as a jugglette, which is a female Insane Clown Posse fan, because I never painted.
Speaker B:My face or smokes meth.
Speaker A:Well, that too.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:I appreciate that you're down with the clowns today.
Speaker B:No, fuck those clowns.
Speaker B:Fuck all those clowns.
Speaker A:Yeah, we can just go into a Spoiler theme of the episode is Fuck that clown.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:I mean, we can.
Speaker A:We'll go through a brief overview and talk through a little bit of the story because there is a couple interesting, like point plots or plot point plot points, especially in character development.
Speaker B:Point, plot point, plot point, plot point, plot.
Speaker A:But yeah, I mean, the summary is that clown.
Speaker A:Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:All right, all right.
Speaker B:So as you know, this title is Everybody Loves a Clown.
Speaker B:No, it was.
Speaker B:You said in season two, episode two.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was directed by Phil Scritchia and written by John Chabon.
Speaker B:So we've talked about them before, so we don't need to go into them again.
Speaker B:The only thing, really, I know from kind of the background story from some of the extras who did this, because they had a lot of extras.
Speaker B:As it was at the carnival, it was really hot in Vancouver, but it was supposed to be fall, so basically everybody was sweating their asses off because they're like.
Speaker B:You're supposed to dress like it's fall and carry around all these heavy stuffed animals and they're like, I am dying of heat stroke.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I bet it wasn't that hot in Vancouver.
Speaker A:They're just wizzes.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I'm sure it was.
Speaker B:So on the Baltimore trip this week,.
Speaker A:It's a blazing 70 degrees.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I looked at the weather for this weekend, and my friend from New York, she was like, oh, my God, it's gonna be in the low 80s that I'm like, bring a parka shit.
Speaker A:Like, oh, if it's gonna get in the 60s at night, I definitely need a jacket.
Speaker A:I'm that person.
Speaker A:So I got.
Speaker B:Well, as long as I have excuses to wear jackets, yeah, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker B:Give me excuse to wear a jacket and boots and like.
Speaker B:Because you can't wear boots when it's hot.
Speaker A:So anyways, only when styled very carefully.
Speaker B:No, I can.
Speaker B:I will.
Speaker B:I'm not saying I won't do it, but I'm not also gonna bring like my 14 eye docs with me.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:That would be hot.
Speaker B:But those are also things that are really nice when you're walking around to be in docs because they're so comfortable, but I'll be probably just walking in chucks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, we're gonna start off.
Speaker B:We're in Medford, Wisconsin, and at a carnival.
Speaker B:At carnival.
Speaker B:And my first comment is that carnival looks pretty baller for a podoncast small town in Wisconsin.
Speaker B:I mean, there are contortionists there, fire eaters, all sorts of things.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh my God, this carnival never came to Texas.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, well, that's like the ones that come through nowadays that we go to, like adults.
Speaker A:Like when there's like a, like a.
Speaker B:Jim Rose or like.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's like, I think pretty things, peep show and things like that.
Speaker A:Like these, like modern touring freak shows.
Speaker A:That's the only time you get to see those.
Speaker A:Now, I don't remember any of those as a child.
Speaker B:No, no, they were.
Speaker B:And I've, you know, and I've had a lot of friends who were sideshow performers in Cody island, especially in New York.
Speaker B:And you had a lot of, you know, sword eaters and fire dancers and other things like that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I'm going to preface this cause I'm going to talk mad shit about clowns during this episode.
Speaker B:But I do want to say that when I lived in Florida, I lived in Sarasota, which was the summer home for Ringling.
Speaker B:So a lot of the Ringling people, you know, basically were there a. I did hang out with a lot of clowns.
Speaker B:And some of them are really fucking hot too.
Speaker B:And so there's a distinction between circus performing clowns and party clowns that are okay and normal and creepy ass fucking clowns.
Speaker B:So when I start talking shit about clowns, I really mean the creepy ass ones because those are different category.
Speaker A:Because like, I'm not like, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm with you on that because I'm not like one of the people that's like, oh, I'm scared of clowns.
Speaker A:I. I know a lot of people are.
Speaker A:Not my thing.
Speaker A:Don't really care.
Speaker A:Not scared of clowns.
Speaker A:Creepy.
Speaker A:This fucking creepy clown.
Speaker A:Terrifying.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, he's terrifying.
Speaker B:Terrifying.
Speaker B:And if I saw that clown like anywhere.
Speaker B:Nope, sorry, dude, you're going down.
Speaker B:That castle walls come into effect.
Speaker A:Get off my lawn.
Speaker B:Get off my lawn.
Speaker B:I'll stick my cat on you.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so basically like what happens here is a little girl sees a clown, is pointing and waving and her parents can't see it and because suddenly it's gone and she's like, okay, whatever.
Speaker A:So they leave and she sees it like as they're driving in the middle of the fucking woods, like standing there waving at her.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Even as a child I'd be like, that's not right.
Speaker A:That's terrifying.
Speaker A:This kid doesn't seem to care.
Speaker A:And then they go to bed and like she looks out her Bedroom window and sees this fucking clown in the fucking yard.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think the best way to describe this is I'm gonna give you some poetry stylings of Liz.
Speaker B:This may be a haiku.
Speaker B:I'm not sure.
Speaker B:It probably isn't.
Speaker B:So this is my poetry interpretation of the opening scene.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:Sad clown waving.
Speaker B:Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:Clown waving on the side of the road.
Speaker B:Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:Clown is outside the house.
Speaker B:Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:He's holding her hand.
Speaker B:Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:Yep, I know.
Speaker B:I'm a poet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she invites it inside.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:What is wrong with you?
Speaker A:Come on now, kids even know stranger danger.
Speaker A:You don't invite fuck a stranger in your house.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we see he's not cute.
Speaker B:Like, what child looks at that clown and goes, man, that's a cute, friendly person.
Speaker B:No, no, the child looks at that and goes, mommy, Daddy, please kill it.
Speaker B:Please kill that thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut though, from this very, like, upsetting scene to another upsetting scene of the Winchester brothers watching, crying and watching the body of their deceased father wrapped in gauze, burning.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So he's getting a hunter's funeral.
Speaker B:And that really has to smell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Can't be good.
Speaker B:Like, why don't like, how you could be sad?
Speaker B:Because I'd be like, oh, man, the hair.
Speaker B:Like burnt flesh.
Speaker B:Ew, this has got to be awful.
Speaker B:I would not be emotional.
Speaker B:I would just be vomiting.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker A:It would.
Speaker A:It would.
Speaker A:And like, the emotional part would actually increase the, like the nausea because you'd be really emotional and it would smell really bad.
Speaker A:So you'd be definitely puking like Gary.
Speaker A:Like cry puke.
Speaker B:Oh, that's not attractive.
Speaker B:And in your 40s.
Speaker B:And you like, pee yourself while you do it too.
Speaker A:So it'd be like cry, puking and piss yourself.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker B:That's what.
Speaker A:That's what.
Speaker A:That's what would happen.
Speaker A:Sorry, boys.
Speaker B:Being a woman is magical.
Speaker B:Super fucking lady.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:And then Dean decides to carry on the tradition of being a big fat liar like his dad.
Speaker B:Yes, I have some.
Speaker B:Don't turn into a big fat liar like your father, Dean.
Speaker B:So is there anything you.
Speaker B:You took down from John?
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I am going to lie to Sam, who is clearly, you know, trying to work through some shit.
Speaker B:And we're going to comments on that, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why are you lying to him, dickbag?
Speaker A:No, dad didn't say anything to me before he died.
Speaker A:He sent your brother out of the room knowing he was gonna die.
Speaker A:And Whispered some big fucking secret in your ear and you're going to act like you don't know something.
Speaker B:Liar.
Speaker B:Liar.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So then we cut to Bobby is where Dean is working on Baby.
Speaker A:And I have some comments that I would like to share with you throughout this episode.
Speaker B:Please do share.
Speaker A:So, obviously I would love for Baby to be rescued and resuscitated from her terrible, terrible accident.
Speaker A:I'm going to make it abundantly clear though, that in one week, that car paint job did not magically go from glossy to a matte finish because you wouldn't be sanding the car down at this point in time.
Speaker B:But what if he got so.
Speaker B:But what if.
Speaker B:I'm assuming those are different from a different car.
Speaker A:No, the entire car has the exact same paint job and it is all matte finish now.
Speaker B:Yeah, but what if because there was only like, I'm just assuming the entire frame, all the things that are outside are a different car altogether, that they.
Speaker A:Were implying he was working on the same car because 1.
Speaker B:You can know you could.
Speaker A:Because one of the doors is still missing.
Speaker A:So I'm like, they're trying to make it look like he just like fixed this thing.
Speaker A:And like, oh, yeah, that's what you're.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:That step in the process you're going to be at after that car getting like fucking destroyed because the frame was fucked, the roof was buckled, the front end was even twisted and like, oh, he's wrenching underneath it.
Speaker A:That would not be the step in the process you were at.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker B:No, and I agree.
Speaker B:Like, that's why I just always thought.
Speaker A:There's a new body.
Speaker B:Like, they basically were junkyarding it from other Impalas that were in Bobby's junkyard of magic.
Speaker B:So within, like that junkyard, there's all these 67 Impalas and they're just like, so Dean can go take things off of them and put them on the car.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And so that's how we end up with a very hot Dean underneath it, wrenching and all sexy.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know what it is about a man on the.
Speaker A:Distracted by the fact that I know you were not.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:But also, like, there's just something about like a hot guy, like rolling out from underneath a car with a wrench in his hand.
Speaker B:Woo.
Speaker B:Oh, mama.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That does it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That works for me.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker A:I like leaning over the engine bay, but it's like some of the mystique is gone from it.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And I love my Husband.
Speaker A:And I think my husband's hot and all that.
Speaker A:So it's not that.
Speaker A:And he works on cars for our cars a lot.
Speaker A:But when he goes under one of our cars, I actually get really stressed out because usually it's up on jack stands and my car sits really low.
Speaker A:And so if it fell off the jack stands on him, he would be trapped, which is terrifying.
Speaker A:So, like, rolling out, like, if you're rol out, it's more of like, oh, thank God you're not dead.
Speaker A:It's more one of those.
Speaker A:And then if he's leaning over it, I'm like, oh, fuck, his back's gonna hurt later.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:And this is.
Speaker A:But I get what you're saying.
Speaker B:No, this is also like car show real.
Speaker B:You know, this is a TV show fantasy thing.
Speaker B:Because in real life, that man that rolls out from under there has really stinky balls.
Speaker B:And it's just not.
Speaker B:It's not a pleasant thing.
Speaker B:No, I mean, he's gonna smell, he's gonna be greasy.
Speaker B:He's gonna try and hug me.
Speaker B:He's gonna get his sweat and his grease all over me, and I'm gonna be like, oh, motherfucker, don't touch me.
Speaker A:And there's all the debris, dirty garage floor that he was laying on that's all, like, dusty and oily.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then he's gonna walk that into the house.
Speaker B:He's gonna get my house all dirty, and then he's not gonna vacuum it and then yet.
Speaker B:So no real in real land.
Speaker B:No, this is not fun in TV land where I can't smell him.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker A:No, I just, I. I read it as they were implying that he was fixing the existing vehicle.
Speaker A:So your interpretation actually makes me feel slightly better.
Speaker A:I'm just watching it going, like, the fuck?
Speaker A:That can't be the same motherfucking car.
Speaker A:This is insane.
Speaker A:Because this part's not fixed.
Speaker A:Why is the, like, why is this headlight suddenly.
Speaker A:Oh, like one of the.
Speaker A:One of the scenes, like, the, like, rear windshield trim is missing.
Speaker A:Like, why would that be gone?
Speaker A:That was like, the one part of the car that was intact.
Speaker A:Like, why they just popped it off for funsies.
Speaker A:That shit's hard to find sometimes.
Speaker B:Because it's.
Speaker B:Because it's a whole.
Speaker B:It's a brand.
Speaker B:It's basically a brand new model.
Speaker B:But they just kept certain little bits and pieces that.
Speaker B:That bring the soul of baby with it.
Speaker A:Well, I was.
Speaker A:I was distressed, so I will.
Speaker A:I will accept that explanation.
Speaker A:As long as we're just accepting that.
Speaker A:That Bobby just has Impalas laying around.
Speaker B:It's just Impala land.
Speaker A:Impala land.
Speaker A:I want to go to Impala land.
Speaker B:Well, that's what is like with the.
Speaker B:The ones that are like, what are they like deer?
Speaker B:Like the impalas that are bouncy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I know this is an audio show.
Speaker B:You guys can't see me making them.
Speaker A:Bouncing your fingers almost like a bunny foo foo thing.
Speaker B:Y. Yeah, maybe we'll do it in the.
Speaker B:In the video highlights later.
Speaker B:But yeah, I'm an Impala now.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is what?
Speaker A:Impala's Impala land.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:So anyways, and.
Speaker A:And you get kind of like, this is where we start seeing some of the.
Speaker A:The discord in the Dealing with their grief between Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:Sam kind of offers to help, but it's just like, kind of keeps checking up on Dean.
Speaker A:And Dean doesn't want to talk about shit.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:This is a running theme and I'll talk about this probably at the end of it too.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's really annoying when you're grieving and somebody tells you how you're supposed to be grieving.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So even if you're family and they're like, you're bottling shit up.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Well, fuck you.
Speaker B:I want to bottle my shit up.
Speaker B:I'm going to deal with it on my own.
Speaker B:Like, we don't deal with death in the same ways.
Speaker B:Fuck off, Sam.
Speaker B:That's pretty much Fuck that clown and Fuck off Sam.
Speaker B:I'm spicy tonight.
Speaker A:Well, in a weird way, I think.
Speaker A:And then we get to this later too.
Speaker A:Is that Sam harassing Dean about how he's processing is really more about Sam processing, but that's a different thing.
Speaker A:So anyways, we get to end up at Sam cracked dad's voicemail.
Speaker A:And they found like, some voicemail from four months ago from Lady Ellen about having some help for them.
Speaker A:And so they have to borrow a minivan from Bobby to go visit her at her roadhouse.
Speaker B:Minivan also, that is apparently only playing late 70s classics.
Speaker B:Do it to me one more time.
Speaker B:And I also secretly just hope that's what Sam wanted to listen to.
Speaker B:That's over.
Speaker A:Like, that was his choice of music.
Speaker B:As they're rolling in their minivan.
Speaker B:Rolling, rolling.
Speaker B:And we're getting out and they pull up to the roadhouse.
Speaker B:Roadhouse.
Speaker A:Roadhouse, yeah.
Speaker A:And so they come in this roadhouse, and this is a really funny scene, I think.
Speaker A:Then there's like nobody there except for some unconscious person on the pool table.
Speaker A:And while they're both kind of wandering around, they both get.
Speaker A:Well, Dean feels a gun in his back and he said, oh, God, please let that be a rifle.
Speaker B:And the implication is not a penis if he didn't get that.
Speaker B:So that'd be a very thin penis and a very tall man to have, like, to get a dick up there.
Speaker B:Like, that's a.
Speaker B:That's a giant, giant skinny pain.
Speaker B:And also really tight.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker A:Really weird.
Speaker A:But I do appreciate her response is, nah, I'm just real happy to see you.
Speaker A:So I was like, okay, good luck.
Speaker B:See, I appreciated her punching him in the face.
Speaker A:So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So they get into it and well, Sam.
Speaker A:Sam also is being held up with a gun, too.
Speaker A:So, yeah, she.
Speaker A:It ends up.
Speaker A:It's Ellen and her daughter, Joe.
Speaker A:And Ellen knew John, but they're all always, like, always.
Speaker A:It's always a surprise.
Speaker A:They're like, wait, you knew our dad?
Speaker A:Our dad didn't tell shit.
Speaker A:Our dad, as far as we know, he didn't know anybody except for Bob, Bobby and the priest.
Speaker A:Like, they don't.
Speaker B:They don't know.
Speaker A:Like, it's like he didn't tell them anything again.
Speaker A:So they are basically saying that they can, you know, she figures out that John is dead, and Sam's basically like, hey, we'll take any help you can give us.
Speaker A:And so he's like, they're like, well, we can't help you, but we know who can.
Speaker B:And they're like, I want to pause you before we get to that.
Speaker B:So one comment I just had, though, as they're lying up, like, hanging out against this bar.
Speaker B:Joe's pants were so fucking low.
Speaker B:Like, I am not, like, how the fuck were these hanging?
Speaker B:Like, up.
Speaker B:Like, if she walked that you hurt nanny would have been, like, totally exposed.
Speaker B:Like, you could see her hips, like, all the way down to the bottom of her hips.
Speaker B:And it makes me really uncomfortable.
Speaker B:I mean, girls, where would you want.
Speaker B:But that seems impractical.
Speaker B:And I don't understand, like, how, like,.
Speaker A:They're coming back in fashion.
Speaker B:No, don't do it.
Speaker B:And if you do that, you're going to want to.
Speaker A:Because I'm a woman over 40 with curvy hips, so I will not be doing that.
Speaker B:But yeah, no, nothing.
Speaker B:Nothing is gonna fall below my hips.
Speaker B:And nobody wants.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is not attractive.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is not a good look.
Speaker B:And don't.
Speaker B:Don't do that again.
Speaker A: once, in the early: Speaker A:I remember those days well.
Speaker A:I like, but Those when you pulled the thong up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you had your whale tail.
Speaker A:Yeah, I whale tailed it just a couple times.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:And what was worse, too, about the super low cut ones is they would just like drive up your crotch and it was so painful.
Speaker B:Like, no, no.
Speaker A:Why do that now?
Speaker A:Wouldn't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Back then I.
Speaker A:You know those days.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So here's.
Speaker A:Here's our new.
Speaker A:Our new fun character introduction.
Speaker A:So Ellen just yells, ash, funny enough, is my dog's name also one of my dogs.
Speaker B:I didn't think about that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And the guy, the person that had been unconscious on the pool table pops up and you realize that it's this dude in a sleeveless flannel shirt and an epic fucking mullet.
Speaker A:Like, epic.
Speaker A:Like long.
Speaker A:The long part is like halfway down his back and the front is not like buzz cut.
Speaker A:It's like just like the short.
Speaker A:Like just a good short haircut.
Speaker B:I love Ash so much.
Speaker B:So much.
Speaker B:And yeah, that is a Billy Ray Cyrus envy mullet.
Speaker B:Like, is the best mullet ever.
Speaker B:And there is some part of me, like, if in person, like, you're like, oh, if I saw somebody like that, I'd be like, oh, what the hell?
Speaker B:I did see that person actually in Walmart in Hondo, Texas, last weekend.
Speaker B:Because it's Honda, Texas, where they have the sign.
Speaker B:Is it like, this is God's country, Please don't drive like hell through it is like.
Speaker B:Like really big when you go in there.
Speaker B:And yeah, at the Walmart guy at the mullet.
Speaker B:But he had a mate with him, so I missed out.
Speaker B:But yeah, and then.
Speaker B:But when Ash starts talking, like, he is so adorable.
Speaker B:He is just.
Speaker B:I just want to squeeze him and, like, drink some paps with him.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, I don't want to listen to them because I know Skynyrd.
Speaker A:But yeah, apparently, like, when Dean said he looks like a Leonard Skynyrd roadie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So apparently Ash is a genius and starts flipping through dad's notebook because they let him look at dad's journal.
Speaker A:And basically he says that no one can track a demon that way.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, our dad was.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And he's like, okay.
Speaker A:And then he, like, calculates for a second.
Speaker A:He's like, I need 51 hours.
Speaker A:Like, okay.
Speaker A:Of course this is.
Speaker A:The guy's gonna have some random ass timeline.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:I will say at this.
Speaker A:Around this point, though, I paused it because I had to.
Speaker A:I saw that something.
Speaker A:So on the bar, there's like, they've got like three or four beer taps Not a ton.
Speaker A:But they have a few bar taps, beer taps at the bar.
Speaker A:And I swear one of them is like the supernatural logo Pentagram.
Speaker A:So that's my.
Speaker A:I paused it.
Speaker A:I screenshotted.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Well, I'll try to find a better screenshot, but that's what I found.
Speaker A:And I was like, is this a.
Speaker A:Is this a fun hiding thing or is there just some beer that has that as its logo that I don't know about?
Speaker A:Because I don't drink good beer.
Speaker A:I drink garbage beer and I'm happy about it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, there is the.
Speaker B:There's like.
Speaker B:There's some.
Speaker B:I don't know about any.
Speaker B:That would be a fun, good research project.
Speaker B:You know, add it to my 9 million other research projects.
Speaker B:Yeah, but you know the one that we talked about from Whitewater, Wisconsin, that, that brewery, but they are in Wisconsin.
Speaker B:So that, I mean, although I think that brewery is pretty new.
Speaker B: I don't think it was around: Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:And that's why I was like, well, they aren't, you know, they aren't extensively using the show doesn't seem to be extensively using that Pentagram logo at this point in the series either.
Speaker A:Which I thought was interesting.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, and Dean and Jensen Ackles hadn't opened his beret by this point.
Speaker B:So we're not getting those cuts yet.
Speaker B:Not saying there won't be those cut, but you know, so.
Speaker A:So anyways, I just thought that was an interesting little site.
Speaker A:But anyway, so yeah, then Sam sees us.
Speaker A:They've got of course like Ellen has some crazy folder sitting behind the bar that's like murder murders.
Speaker A:Sam's like, oh, what's that?
Speaker A:Because like that's a very normal folder to have behind the bar.
Speaker A:I guess so.
Speaker B:Roadhouse.
Speaker B:It is Roadhouse.
Speaker B:As we'll see later when there are more hunters in there.
Speaker B:But yeah, just like, here's my murder folder.
Speaker A:My murder folder.
Speaker A:Because I guess.
Speaker A:So we find out her husband was a hunter and that's how she got into like this whole world and that.
Speaker A:And then Dean starts to hit on Joe with her low slung pants and gasp.
Speaker A:He stops himself.
Speaker B:I know, Gross.
Speaker A:He had some self control and didn't say something skeezy to Jo.
Speaker A:I was pretty impressed.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:It's really sad.
Speaker B:Like your bar is set so low.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, you didn't hit on a female.
Speaker A:Good feel.
Speaker A:And then you feel a little bad too because you're like, oh, this is part of his.
Speaker A:His grieving.
Speaker A:That's why he isn't Doing it.
Speaker A:And you're like, okay, well, he's not a complete degenerate, but at least, like,.
Speaker B:He's also, like, not taking out his grief by fucking her.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Like, if he was skeevy enough, like, he could have gotten that way.
Speaker B:And so I think it was nice that they actually said, no, we're not going to have him work through his emotions, through his stick.
Speaker B:I appreciated that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I agree.
Speaker A:So anyways, they decide to go investigate these murders in this stupid folder that is behind the Roadhouse bar.
Speaker A:That's pretty much.
Speaker A:That's pretty much what the episode comes down to, is they're gonna go investigate these murders.
Speaker A:And we find out that Sam is scared of clowns at this point.
Speaker A:So that's a fun note for this episode.
Speaker A:And they tie back a bunch of these incidents that are all tied to someone seeing clowns.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B: d, you know, this happened in: Speaker B:I want you to keep that date in mind because it's going to be important later.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:1981.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I remember that year well.
Speaker A:Just kidding.
Speaker B:Were you even born?
Speaker A:I was born that year,.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so also, a couple other things.
Speaker B:So Dean basically says, why can't we know?
Speaker B:It's Psycho Carnies in a Clown Suit.
Speaker B:Which I think would have been a better title for this instead of Everybody Loves Psycho Carnies in a Clown Suit.
Speaker B:Which also sounds like the title of a psychobilly bands.
Speaker B:Like, I get.
Speaker A:At least our album is at least an album title.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That is an album or a single on something.
Speaker B:You know, Psycho Cardies in a Clown Suit.
Speaker B:That was my bass.
Speaker B:Laughing.
Speaker B:And then also, when talking about Sam's hating clowns, he's like.
Speaker B:I was just like, yeah.
Speaker B:I also bust out crying when Ronald McDonald comes in the TV.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:You're not alone, Sam.
Speaker B:You're just not.
Speaker B:And that's mainly because I'm afraid of McDonald's food.
Speaker B:And it's going to give me a heart attack.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Sometimes you need a big bank.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:God.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker A:Big Mac.
Speaker B:They're so disgusting.
Speaker B:Like, their food.
Speaker B:All their food tastes like cardboard.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:And every time I eat their fries, I, like, end up getting.
Speaker B:I get so sick.
Speaker B:Like, it immediately makes me sick.
Speaker B:Whataburger forever, yo.
Speaker A:So, I mean, don't get me wrong, I like my Whataburger, but I'm not opposed to McDonald's.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:Now I want Whataburger.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So, yeah, but this is this goes back to their character development a little bit, though, because in this conversation, basically, you can tell that Sam really wants to do this mission because he thinks it's what dad would want them to do.
Speaker A:And that makes Dean really happy.
Speaker B:Does it?
Speaker A:Well, Dean seems happy about it.
Speaker A:I think Dean is happy because Sam is doing a mission with him.
Speaker A:And that's what's the most important.
Speaker B:See, And I read, like, I read it differently.
Speaker B:I read it differently.
Speaker B:I read it that Dean was like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker B:Like, he was already starting to be like, this isn't you.
Speaker B:What is going on?
Speaker B:But I don't want to talk about this.
Speaker B:So I'm just gonna smile and nod and go along.
Speaker B:That was how I read it.
Speaker B:Okay, so I think they're looking for cursed objects.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Paranormal scavenger hunt.
Speaker A:Yeah, of course.
Speaker A:And, like.
Speaker A:And then we get another, like, fun scene in a fun.
Speaker A:So I don't like fun houses.
Speaker A:That's my thing.
Speaker A:Like, I like fun houses and, like.
Speaker A:Like haunted houses.
Speaker A:Because I do not like being startled, which is one of my challenges with this show.
Speaker A:Sometimes I don't like being fucking startled.
Speaker A:And there's a lot of things that jump out at you and startle you in all these things.
Speaker A:So I did a lot of jumping when they did these fun house scenes.
Speaker A:That's my confession, but.
Speaker A:And there's a scene with a dad and his kid, and in the fun house, and the kid sees a clown, and dad's like, don't be afraid of clowns.
Speaker A:They're your friends.
Speaker B:And then clowns are not your friends.
Speaker B:And now we're just going straight into lore.
Speaker B:We are going into lore now because that clowns.
Speaker B:Clowns are not your friends.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about why.
Speaker B:Why clowns are not your friends.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay, Got it.
Speaker A:Tell me about it.
Speaker B:All right, so in research for this, I'm going to have to go a little on the straight, because as I was reading this great book called Bad Clowns by Benjamin Radford, I highly recommend you read this book, everybody.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker B:He had a whole chapter on clown porn, which I did not know.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess I knew it was a thing, but I didn't really know, like, it was a thing.
Speaker B:So it's a thing.
Speaker B:And ew.
Speaker B:And so Kara Bruce, a San Francisco author, noted clown porn does exist, and so do clown fetishes.
Speaker B:Is it the uniform or the costumes?
Speaker B:Maybe it's because clowns are associated with childhood and horror, two of the most highly charged taboos around so maybe, yeah, like, you know, it's something that scares you.
Speaker B:So that can turn into a fetish or something that you saw as a kid, you know, like some 10 year old getting his first boner while there is a clown at a party or something, whatever.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:That was just the name of.
Speaker B:It was clown porn.
Speaker B:And one reviewer said, these are real clowns and they're really having sex with women.
Speaker B:You see the rubber chick being mashed against the breast.
Speaker B:You hear the honking of horns and wet splat of whipped cream pie on the face of an unlucky victim.
Speaker B:You will witness the terror of clouds ejaculating and being ejaculated upon.
Speaker B:And once you have it, it is something you can't unwatch.
Speaker B:Pray for a miracle, pray for a stroke, it won't matter.
Speaker B:That is the best movie review I have ever read.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is why we have an explicit rating, folks.
Speaker B:So following the film Clown Porn, other clown porn followed, including the Ask Clown series.
Speaker B: ies of that was a basis for a: Speaker B:Because they're like, is this porn like fucking clowns, man?
Speaker B:Like, no, this is, this is obscene.
Speaker B:This is like, this is what is obscene.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:But also when you see it, you know when you see it and this rubber chickens getting thrown against somebody's snatch, that's.
Speaker B:That's obscene.
Speaker B:And they also talk about, like just within it, like within these porns because they have so much makeup, they just get smeared everywhere.
Speaker B:And that's just part of the fetish.
Speaker B:I'm like, whoa.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But even it did go more into, like there was mainstream stuff too.
Speaker B:There was at least three Penthouse pictorials where the models are made to look up by clowns, three Playboy pictorials, and also just an assload of websites, no pun intended.
Speaker B:So, okay, so I had to talk about the clown porn because everybody has to share that, that horror with me.
Speaker A:And apparently some people really love clowns.
Speaker B:Everybody, everybody loves a clown.
Speaker B:Sometimes you love a clown.
Speaker B:Some people love a clown.
Speaker B:And some people love a clown.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, let's talk about the bad clowns.
Speaker B:So in reality, the list of clowns committing crime is pretty small.
Speaker B:And usually they're either ex clowns or clowning was a side gig.
Speaker B:And we know.
Speaker B:So we do have, you know, the murderers.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So we all know John Wayne Gacy, AKA Pogo the clown who was convicted of stabbing, asphyxiating and strangling at least 33 victims in Houston.
Speaker B:There was, uh.
Speaker B:Oh, the clown, real name Rex Meyer.
Speaker B:Rex Mays, sorry.
Speaker B:He viciously stabbed a 10 and a 7 year old girl.
Speaker B:Like two different girls.
Speaker B:Like he stabbed one of them in the eyes.
Speaker B:Like it was fucking atrocious.
Speaker B:Is one of the most horrible things ever read about.
Speaker B: He was executed in: Speaker B:So, you know, Texas, we like to do that.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:This is in Florida, I think she shot a woman named Marlene Warren in the face.
Speaker B:So basically this woman Marlene, like opens up the door and there's a clown standing out there with flowers and balloons and then shoots her in the goddamn face.
Speaker B:And then she.
Speaker B:And then she died.
Speaker B: e was finally identified like: Speaker B: She was not arrested until: Speaker B:And that was.
Speaker B:The woman was Sheila Keene Warren and she was having an affair.
Speaker B:The woman's husband.
Speaker B:She'd been a person of interest for a while, but they just didn't have enough evidence.
Speaker B: And so finally in: Speaker B:Yeah, I know, but also, like, that's cold.
Speaker B:It's cold like the lake.
Speaker A:Like you're her husband and you're gonna.
Speaker B:Like kill her dressed like a clown.
Speaker B:That's the last thing this poor woman saw was a fucking clown.
Speaker B:Like, that's not what I want the last vision to be.
Speaker B:And also she was really stupid.
Speaker B:Like, they're like, yeah, no, we have like video of you at the store buying a clown costume.
Speaker B:Like, why were you buying a clown costume?
Speaker B:Why are you buying balloons?
Speaker B:Sheila, what were you doing?
Speaker B:Sheila.
Speaker B:So fucking Sheila.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:And then of course we have the pedos.
Speaker B:So there was Klutzo the clown.
Speaker B:So that was a mon.
Speaker B:Paul Klutzer, Carl Jr.
Speaker B:He was a clown and a former minister and he would like go around the world and they finally like caught him coming back from the Philippines and they just found a terrible amount of child porn on his.
Speaker B:His computer and his camera.
Speaker B:There was Spanky the Clown.
Speaker B:He was a Ringling Brothers clown.
Speaker B:And he was arrested and charged with 10 counts of third degree sexual exploitation of a minor.
Speaker B:And he was caught as a, like a child porn ring.
Speaker B:And then there was also clowns as soldiers.
Speaker B:So like Ms. 13, you know, Mara Salva.
Speaker B:I can't say their names.
Speaker B:Ms. 13, you know this El Salvadorian gang which is really based on The United States, anyways.
Speaker B:So their tattoos often include clown masks.
Speaker B:And, you know, people say, you know, clowns are role models for the members because they represent the man who cried and laughs.
Speaker B:And then there are also groups of African street soldiers that have been known to wear clown, like, costumes, including neon wigs and wedding dresses when going into battle.
Speaker B:They believe that because of that, they could not be killed because assuming two identities would confuse the enemy in their bullets.
Speaker B:It would also scare the fuck out of them because you would look insane.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, I mean, if I'm.
Speaker B:If I'm in the middle of a battle and somebody comes after me in like, a neon green wig wearing a wedding dress, I'm just gonna run the other way.
Speaker B:I mean, like, you win this.
Speaker A:Terrifying.
Speaker B:Yeah, you win by, we're done here.
Speaker A:So this person's crazier than me.
Speaker B:Like, you want this so much more than I do.
Speaker B:Like, whatever we are fighting for.
Speaker B:Clearly, like, you're really into this and.
Speaker A:More committed.
Speaker B:You're far more committed to your cause.
Speaker B:But really, you know, and kind of what this episode is about and what I want to talk about are phantom clowns and stalking clowns.
Speaker B: first, I think, was coined in: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:81.
Speaker B:So this is discussing basically the phenomenon of children saying they're clowns.
Speaker B:They're trying to lure me into vans and the cars and forests and eventually leading to some kind of mass hysteria in the community.
Speaker B:But no clowns are ever actually caught.
Speaker B:And so this kind of goes back to our Spring Heeled Jack.
Speaker B:We all love him.
Speaker B:And the mad gassers and other things.
Speaker B:Just what is coming out that turns the mass hysteria, that's something that's being done by, you know, but also it's an urban legend that children are kind of spinning.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:But stalking clowns are real people dressing up to scare, be seen, and be photographed.
Speaker B:So we'll.
Speaker B:We'll kind of talk about both of those.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Coleman says, and I agree with him, that stalking clowns are dangerous.
Speaker B:Not because they might hurt people, but rather they will get targeted by angry mobs.
Speaker B:So basically, you're just inspiring a bunch of people to say, fuck that clown and go stab him.
Speaker B:And as we'll see, actually happens.
Speaker B: So: Speaker B:So clowns reported being seen at least six cities in America that year.
Speaker B:Remember, this is pre Internet, right.
Speaker B:So it's amazing how far this was spreading throughout the country without social media.
Speaker B:Without.
Speaker B:Without Internet, without.
Speaker B:Like, no one's going on Twitter.
Speaker B:Like, there's not even.
Speaker B:There is no Internet.
Speaker B:So how this is passing, I don't even know.
Speaker B:But there's actually been talks of this happening before then.
Speaker B:But this is really where things start kind of flaring up.
Speaker B:So starts.
Speaker B:In Brookline, Massachusetts, there is an APB that was issued for a van filled with potential child abductors, AKA clowns.
Speaker B:Several kids said clowns had tried to lure them into the van with candy.
Speaker B:And when they were reported seen by an elementary school.
Speaker B:Then in Boston, another clown in a van was being searched for.
Speaker B:And the school district sent out a warning to please advise all students they must stay away from strangers, especially those dressed as clowns.
Speaker B:By eighth, more clowns and vans are being reported in East Boston, Charleston, Cambridge, Canton, Randolph, and other cities near Boston.
Speaker B:And they're all coming from kids like, age 5 to 7.
Speaker B:Then they started coming in from Providence, Rhode Island.
Speaker B:Then in May.
Speaker B:May 22, in Kansas City, Missouri, a mom says she sees a yellow van.
Speaker B:And this is all weird because it's all yellow vans.
Speaker B:So a mom says she sees a yellow van approach her kids as they walk to a bus stop.
Speaker B:And the two girls said that a clown with a knife ordered them to get inside, but they did not, because good girls like clown knife, don't.
Speaker B:Don't get in that car.
Speaker B:And then throughout the day, the police got dozens of reports of this clown in the yellow van.
Speaker B:And that was Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker B:But the previous week in Kansas City, Kansas City, school children reporting a clown chased them from the school and threatened them with a knife if they didn't get in the van.
Speaker B:Although sometimes the clown had a sword.
Speaker B:So sometimes it was like a clown with a sword or a clown with a samurai sword.
Speaker A:Like a samurai sword.
Speaker A:I think a broadsword or like a broadsword.
Speaker A:I was like, either one.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to.
Speaker A:I'm envisioning this clown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then in Arlington Heights, Pennsylvania, there started being reports of cops, costumed people, including Spider man, gorilla, and a clown that were trying to entice kids into vehicles.
Speaker B:And police were getting, like, 15 reports a day.
Speaker B:And then this.
Speaker B: on the: Speaker B:So in Arlington Heights, according to, like, this one thing I saw, and I searched the newspapers around there, like, Arlington Heights, like, their archive didn't go back far enough.
Speaker B:But I was looking in Pittsburgh, and I saw, like, the reports of the Spider man stuff, but not this part, which is really great.
Speaker B:So the police Conducted a search with the help of two canine patrols and 100 kids with clubs and found nothing.
Speaker B:Now, I don't know if this really happened or not.
Speaker B:If you father, if you were a child who was part of this police search and you got a club and you got to walk around, please let me know.
Speaker B:I want to know.
Speaker B:I really want this to be real.
Speaker B:This is like this little, this child army.
Speaker B:Like we're going to get the clowns anyway.
Speaker A:So that's crazy.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker B: So we're fast forward to: Speaker B: So that was: Speaker B:There were still clown sightings there, but the next big one.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:No arrests were ever made and the pickup truck driving clown decided just disappears.
Speaker B: So, and then we get to: Speaker B:So homie the clown allegedly terrorized 8th graders in Chicago.
Speaker B:So children variously report that he was in a van, it was either blue, white or red, but agreed to have the words ha ha painted on the side.
Speaker B: ew Jersey and Pennsylvania in: Speaker B:Was that the same year?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Was not.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:In Erie, Pennsylvania, more than 40 children and some of the parents reported clown prowling area backyards and looking through windows.
Speaker B:A local bank is also robbed by a man in a clown suit, but they thought he was a copycat clown.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:And this time the clown is also cited almost exclusively near schools and people.
Speaker B:The police just kind of downplayed it.
Speaker B:And no clowns are arrested.
Speaker B:But also, interesting enough, this was a few months after the clown was arrested in Houston.
Speaker B:So I wonder if there's a correlation between the rise of the fear of clowns with the clown that was arrested in Houston.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:They declined to investigate.
Speaker B:And so the lack of this police attention, as well as the disappearance of a small boy is basically being held up by the community police ignoring crimes being reported by black people.
Speaker B:So, like, there's so much shit that goes.
Speaker A:I was gonna say my crimes reported against clowns.
Speaker B:So I thought you were gonna go clowns against them.
Speaker B:1995, In Honduras, there are tales of killer clowns cruising the streets abducting children.
Speaker B:1997, In South Brunswick, New Jersey, six clowns incidents occurred in South Brunswick.
Speaker B:And how in a matter of weeks kids were reporting that a clown was leaping out from behind trees and laughing.
Speaker B:And police were like, well, we're going to look.
Speaker B:But they couldn't find any of the clowns.
Speaker B:They did arrest a guy in August who was identified the clown and sent for psychiatric evaluation.
Speaker B:And the man didn't offer any reason for why he did it.
Speaker B:2008, There's another clown using balloons to lure children to his vehicle in the south side of Chicago.
Speaker B:Now we're going to get into though, the rise of the stalking clowns.
Speaker B:Right, so all of these before this are all phantom clowns because we're not really seeing any clowns get arrested.
Speaker B:They're just like a lot of.
Speaker A:But not anything like actually like substantiated.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So and that could be just because we didn't have camera phones, you know, like there was.
Speaker B: ngs very differently prior to: Speaker A:The availability of surveillance cameras, of valence footage of camera phones, all of that makes a huge difference for sure.
Speaker A:And so social media is an interesting side too.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:He just kind of walked around.
Speaker B:He's being creepy and he will always silent, except occasionally he would go beep, beep, which is what Pennywise would say.
Speaker B:And eventually they found out this was a 22 year old filmmaker, her.
Speaker B:Then the next year in Bakersfield, in Wasco, California, the people started seeing clowns showing up in September in front of like the landmarks in town.
Speaker B:And sometimes they have balloons and sometimes they had machetes or baseball bats.
Speaker B:A kid was arrested and nobody was hurt.
Speaker B:And apparently it was a photo project.
Speaker B: So: Speaker B:La panique du clown francaise.
Speaker B:I don't know if that's what they called it.
Speaker B:I just translated in Google and because I wanted to say it's like in a weird French accent.
Speaker B: starts happening in France in: Speaker B:At first, on October 10, a teenage clown chases neighbor with a plastic knife.
Speaker B:Then on social media there are people reporting bands of clowns are attacking people with knives, machetes and chainsaws.
Speaker B:And they're like.
Speaker B: ing people at large events in: Speaker B:That's fucked up.
Speaker B:And on October 28th in Belgium, an 18 year old was beaten by two clowns, apparently for no reason.
Speaker B:On October 30th, a man was mugged by three or four men in clown masks.
Speaker B:And on November 4th, a 90 year old woman in Paris was robbed by two clowns at an ATM.
Speaker B:So in November that year, France ban costumes were all over of all of November.
Speaker B:They're like, nope, no more clown costumes.
Speaker B:I don't know what the punishment was like if you're wearing clown costume.
Speaker B:But they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:We are done with the clowns.
Speaker B:No more clowns.
Speaker B: think most people remember as: Speaker B:So some of these questions, were they stalking?
Speaker B:So were they fancy subs?
Speaker B:If you really want to see some good things in it, There is a YouTube video called the Top 15 Scariest Clown Sightings.
Speaker B:Don't recommend watching this in your backyard in the middle of the night.
Speaker B:That was what I was.
Speaker A:While you were drinking wine and getting, Getting.
Speaker B:Getting devoured by mosquitoes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so there's texting me about how you're gonna have clown nightmares.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:This is probably why I was gonna have clown nightmares was watching those videos.
Speaker B:My favorite of those are their clowns who just go up to people's r and just stare at them and sometimes they have a balloon.
Speaker B:It's fucking hilarious.
Speaker A:No, it's not.
Speaker B:It's not funny.
Speaker B:So funny.
Speaker B:Okay, so this all begins in October.
Speaker B:In August.
Speaker B:Sorry, it's in August.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:But the boy didn't do it and so he escaped.
Speaker B:So that's the first time that it happens, Right.
Speaker B:Then there's residents at apartments in South Carolina.
Speaker B:They're like, hey, we also saw a clown around here trying to lure children into the woods.
Speaker B:And sometimes the clown had money too.
Speaker B:Then in September, the cop out.
Speaker A:From candy to fucking money.
Speaker A:Bullshit.
Speaker B:Well, which one are you more likely to go with?
Speaker B:You know, like, if you're kidding, here's an Xbox here.
Speaker A:I'm much more tempted by money.
Speaker A:But I'm just saying, like, it also.
Speaker B:Depends on what kind of candy.
Speaker B:Like, you know, it was like, here's some fun dip you.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's Go.
Speaker B:But you know, if it was like, here's some black licorice, now fuck off.
Speaker B:All right, so that was August, then September 4th, Winston say so when we start in South Carolina, then it starts going to North Carolina to Winston Salem in September, and police get a call about a clown trying to lure children to the woods.
Speaker B:September 14th, we got Georgia and this kid says he and his brother were going to a bus stop and they were chased by men wearing clown costumes.
Speaker B:September 15th, we're now in southern Alabama.
Speaker B:And so basically this school, the school get.
Speaker B:Two schools get locked down because clowns were threatening students and posting gun emojis on Facebook.
Speaker B:And yeah, so called flomo clowns because it was Flomaton High School are spotted on the premises and bill schools and eventually they arrested a 22 year old and her and two underage accomplices.
Speaker B:Then like four days later in Maryland, several children report a series of clowns in different neighborhoods of Annapolis.
Speaker B:Police are like, no, that's a hoax.
Speaker B:Two days later after that, a middle school girl in Athens, Georgia is arrested after bringing a knife to school.
Speaker B:And she said, I wanted to protect myself from the clowns.
Speaker B:And I'm like, all right, you know, there.
Speaker B:That same day, a kid in Pottsville, Pennsylvania is chased by a clown through a park.
Speaker B:Two days after that, a guy who is 20 years old was charged with wearing a mask in public and disorderly conduct in Middlesborough, Kentucky after dressing like a clown and hiding in bushes by an apartment building.
Speaker B:And they're like, hey.
Speaker B:Police have warned individuals against dressing up in clown costumes, adding that it could lead to criminal charges.
Speaker B:Dressing as a clown and driving, walking or standing in public can create a dangerous situation for you and others.
Speaker B:Police in nearby Barberville, Kentucky said in a statement online.
Speaker A:Like the for you and other for.
Speaker B:You, please don't dress like a clown.
Speaker B:Then two days later, a kid in New Jersey is chased by three people in the woods who emerge as a clown.
Speaker B:I don't know why this kid was in the woods, but nobody was hurt.
Speaker B:You're just asking for it.
Speaker B:Why hang out in the woods, kid?
Speaker B:But it was the fourth time there was an incident like that reported in the areas and where residents are like, please stop clowns, please.
Speaker B:But things are going to start ratcheting up because people are like, ah, fuck you, clowns.
Speaker B:So September 27, Tennessee officials put out a warning telling residents to be vigilant as Halloween approaches when teenager reports being attacked.
Speaker B:That same day in Phoenix, two different fast food restaurants were robbed by suspects wearing clown masks.
Speaker B:September 30th the New York Times reports that false reports or threats and connections to sightings of creepy, loud creepy clowns have led to the arrests of 12 people in over 10 states.
Speaker B:September 30th there was a threatening Facebook post from the account ain't clowning around that left at least five schools in three separate states in high alert.
Speaker B:The post sent to students read, we will be all at all high schools this Friday to either kidnap students or kill teachers going to their cars.
Speaker B:Then in October in Texas, they said there had been at least seven arrests related to clown activity in Texas that week alone, mostly for hoax threats made against schools.
Speaker B:Amongst those arrested was a 14 year old in Livingston, a 14 year old in Houston, an 18 year old in Brownsville and a 16 year old another student for separate incidents near Dallas.
Speaker B:A man in Atascocita was apprehended by police and taken to a psychiatric ward and after he chased two 12 year olds or two blocks with a baseball bat.
Speaker B:And a student at Texas State Bobcats meow and said she was assaulted outside of her dorm by a man dressed as a clown.
Speaker B:The student said police the man chased her and grabbed her but she was able to break free and wasn't hurt.
Speaker B:October 3rd in Idaho they start getting clown things.
Speaker B:It happens again in Connecticut.
Speaker B:Then like we're starting to see this like it goes across the pond.
Speaker B:So October 10th in the UK the student like one of the schools said that it would receive nine clown related reports including one who was holding a knife and another a stick there.
Speaker B:The Thames Valley police said it responded to 14 incidents in 24 hours over the weekend.
Speaker B:And police in Durham in the north east of England were investigating a man dressed as a clown and wielding a knife.
Speaker B:Allegedly he followed four children to school on Friday morning.
Speaker B:Then in Australia, police said they were aware of copycat incidents and warned that any intimidating, intimidating behavior would be followed.
Speaker B:My favorite one.
Speaker B:October 27th back in the states in Tennessee, police were called because there was a topless clown chasing cars.
Speaker B:She said she was doing this to raise mental illness.
Speaker B:But yeah, so there is a swinging clown just rolling through.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So by October of this year there were sightings that were reported on five different continents.
Speaker B:Stores were purging themselves in clown costumes and schools and districts just banned the clown as a Halloween costume.
Speaker B:Threats on social media and alleged sightings led to school closures and official warnings from law enforcement along with more than a dozen or but under the hashtag Clown lives matter, bad choice.
Speaker B:They showed people encountering clowns who appeared Non threatening, aside from their creepy ensemble and beating them up.
Speaker B:One video even showed a clown being beaten senseless with a baseball bat.
Speaker B:So Zweibo the clown, it's really hard to say this with any sort of sincerity because his name is Zweibo.
Speaker B:So he said, you know, that he thought the clowns are facing a real danger and being targeted.
Speaker B:So we're being threatened with violence and worse, like they're keep driving us out of jobs and there are sheriffs who've even said that, you know, if you're wearing a clown costume, like you should expect to be beat up.
Speaker B:And he was like, well what kind of message is this sending?
Speaker B:Like if this is your job, like this is my job to be a clown.
Speaker B:And we have all these fuckers who are out there who are just the stalking clowns.
Speaker B:They're basically raising up vigilante justice.
Speaker B:And I mean people were angry.
Speaker B:I don't know if you remember this, but yeah, I mean people are like,.
Speaker A:We're hearing about it.
Speaker A:Like I kind of forgotten because I guess like the last like year and a half have been like such a mess that it's hard to think back.
Speaker B:Oh, happens this year too.
Speaker B: So like: Speaker A:Yeah, clouds never die.
Speaker A:So I remember this too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B: highlights of the year since: Speaker B: In: Speaker B:Yeah, you do you.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:Fuck you guys.
Speaker B:You deserve to be beat up.
Speaker B: which I assume is England, in: Speaker B: Then we're going to get to: Speaker B:So this is a year all of us, you know, the world went to shit.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker B:So in Fargo, North Dakota, a mother was playing tennis with her son in a park and she saw a creepy group of clowns at night.
Speaker B:The mother said they'd been playing around 15 minutes when they saw four people at the fence wearing clown masks, just standing and watching them.
Speaker B:She said she could hear the clowns begin chanting something and then they approached her but then ran when she called the police.
Speaker B:And the police said that was the.
Speaker B: in Fargo that that evening in: Speaker B:So they were one of the ones with the knife wielding clowns then.
Speaker B: y the kind of the big like in: Speaker B:And this video shared photos and videos reporting to show clown scares in places like Birmingham, Alabama, Nashville.
Speaker B:But at the end of it there's a video that includes a caption.
Speaker B:Hey, so apparently a lot of people are getting anxiety from my post and I just wanted to say that this page is a joke, still be safe.
Speaker B: But Even this year,: Speaker B:And the police said, we are aware of this individual and we continue to monitor the situation.
Speaker B:So isn't that fucked up?
Speaker B:Like I told you, I wanted to make it short, but they really couldn't like the degree of how large this was and is Right.
Speaker A:And so one of the big years though, back before, like when we talked about before social media was 88 you said.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it's 81 and then 88.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That was one of the big time.
Speaker A:I was just gonna.
Speaker A:Because my first thought was what year did Killer Clowns from Outer Space come out?
Speaker A:And what year was the miniseries?
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A: And that was: Speaker A: er Clowns from Outer Space in: Speaker A:Was it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we had Killer Clowns from Outer Space.
Speaker B:We have poltergeist in 82.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:I had, man.
Speaker B:I had a clown, a stuffed clown that my dad had brought me back from Las Vegas.
Speaker B:And I threw that shit out.
Speaker B:I was like, no, this is not in my house.
Speaker B:There was like five.
Speaker B:I also like snuck into a room.
Speaker A:I did not see Poltergeist when it came out.
Speaker A:I saw like, I saw Poltergeist 3 was the first one that I saw and I was like 10 or 12.
Speaker B:Yeah, I snuck into my parents room and watched it on HBO and I think I was like 8 probably.
Speaker B:I don't have to do the math.
Speaker B:I'm not doing that now.
Speaker B:But yeah, so there was then there are all those things like, okay, is this what kind of upticked?
Speaker B:Because we had Poltergeist.
Speaker B:We had it.
Speaker B:Yeah, we had Pennywise.
Speaker B:Killer Clowns from Outer Space was kind of more of a joke than like a scary movie.
Speaker A:I know, but I Want to look up more in response though, almost to the scary clown thing.
Speaker A:That's why I wonder, like, you know, I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't know if there's a deep artistic like thought process behind the creators of Killer Clowns from Outer Space, but I'm like, well, maybe it was slightly in response to some of these things.
Speaker B:It could have been.
Speaker B:But I mean, I also think, you know, it's.
Speaker B:Especially if you watch the online videos and we've all seen them and part of it is hilarious because I'm just like, you're like there' like their clowns are just like walking through fields and walking through the side of the road.
Speaker B:I'm like, dude, like you got up in your house in Nebraska and like you literally walked like 10 miles down this road just like as a sad clown.
Speaker A:Like just, just for shits and giggles to gifts to freak some people out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like that's.
Speaker B:It's really funny on both sides too.
Speaker B:I mean, like, unless like they really are evil clowns, which is the other possibility is that these, these really are evil things that are.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I hope not.
Speaker A:But yeah, I'm like, you know, and always.
Speaker A:And also too, especially with like social media, I feel like when these things start, they kind of snowball because like, even if you aren't seeing them in your city, you're going to go create it or you're going to say you saw.
Speaker A:I mean, if you don't, if you don't actually see it or have footage of it, you're no create it.
Speaker A:That's just what people do.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just, I also just think it's really interesting as this being an urban legend.
Speaker B:Especially, especially pre the clown stalkers, when we talk about the phantom clowns.
Speaker B:That is something that are coming from children, right?
Speaker B:And how like this goes from town to town, how it spreads.
Speaker B:And these are babies.
Speaker B:They're like 5 to 7 year olds.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's not like they're 13 year olds that are getting like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So like, where are they getting this idea from?
Speaker B:Why is a van always yellow?
Speaker B:Like creepier.
Speaker B:That's what makes it creepier.
Speaker B:That's why it's creepy, you know, and it's like these poor kids.
Speaker B:And then like, also then you have the police and like, what are you gonna do when you get all these kids are being reported that someone is trying to lure them into a van?
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker A:Because now you're looking at potential kidnapping and then you actually have to look at it and it's not just some, like, oh, there's some clown being creepy.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, no, they might be like trying to kidnap children.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And why.
Speaker B:I definitely, you know, agree with the guys who said, you know, you should be allowed to wear cologne costume.
Speaker B:I don't give a shit.
Speaker B:You should not be allowed to wear a clown costume with a machete.
Speaker B:Like, I think that's pretty much where I draw the line.
Speaker B:Like once you bring a machete or a baseball bat into this, like, you were.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Did things change now that everybody's like, got used to wearing masks?
Speaker A:Remember what used to be if you used to be, like, feel like you were breaking the law.
Speaker A:If you went into liquor store with a mask on your face, and now you.
Speaker A:For like the last year, it's the only way you could.
Speaker B:I don't think, you know, if you walk into a liquor store with a clown mask on, it's going to have a different reaction than you wearing a bandana.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But still, I'm just saying it's.
Speaker A:I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think, you know, we haven't seen the last of the stalker clowns.
Speaker A:I'm sure.
Speaker B:And you know, I also just kind of wonder, you know, does this become, like, coordinated?
Speaker B:Like, is it somebody?
Speaker B:Like, is there a Reddit somewhere where all these kids are like, oh, like, this is gonna be really funny?
Speaker A:All right, so on in September this year, we're going to start the clown sightings again.
Speaker A:Everybody has their new wigs in hand.
Speaker A:Make sure to polish up your noses and stock up on your grease paint.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So get on Amazon and order.
Speaker B:Make sure everybody orders all their clown costumes.
Speaker B:You know, you can prime that shit,.
Speaker A:But fucking clown shoes.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker A:I just wanted to say that I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it's.
Speaker B:I think it's fascinating, hilarious and creepy.
Speaker B:I mean, if they're.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, I'm surprised there weren't more clown shooting, especially in Texas.
Speaker B:Like, if I, like, you know, if somebody got it.
Speaker B:If clowns had shown up my backyard last night, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Those clowns would not have have lasted.
Speaker A:No, this clown would have disappeared or.
Speaker B:They would got an armadillo thrown at them or something.
Speaker B:And it'd be like that guy chucking the bobcat.
Speaker A:Your poor armadillo.
Speaker B:I saw a dead armadillo on the street and I'm kind of afraid it was Phil.
Speaker A:It wasn't Phil.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But now my parents have a new Armadillo.
Speaker B:So I'm just like.
Speaker B:Did I tell you that when I was in San Antonio.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I saw in my parents creepy Adam's house.
Speaker B:I like, it was like, what?
Speaker B:Like all these deer right away.
Speaker B:And then I heard something and there was like, little Armadillo.
Speaker B:He's like, gotta get to the backyard.
Speaker A:Did you name him?
Speaker B:I didn't name him yet.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:All right, so let's take some.
Speaker B:Take some deep breaths.
Speaker B:Allow that to.
Speaker B:To digest.
Speaker A:Breathe in the fago.
Speaker A:Breathe out the F. All right.
Speaker B:Also, fago loses its carbonation real fast, man.
Speaker A:It's just like.
Speaker A:It's just like shitty soda from Detroit.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:I mean, it's.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's carbonated water, high fructose corn syrup, potassium benzoate, and natural and artificial flavors.
Speaker B:I also don't drink soda.
Speaker B:So this is.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have to take a bunch of sleeping meds tonight.
Speaker A:All right, let's go back to the carnival where our.
Speaker A:Our heroes, the.
Speaker A:The Winchester brothers, are becoming carnies.
Speaker A:They get hired as carnies by Mr. Cooper.
Speaker B:We miss.
Speaker B:Sorry, we miss the.
Speaker B:The dad waking up to the kid in the room.
Speaker A:Oh, you're right.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:That is important because dad wakes up to the kid holding after, like, he's.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, clowns are totally friends.
Speaker B:Friends.
Speaker A:Then the kid wakes his dad up, said, you're right.
Speaker A:Clowns are my friends.
Speaker A:And he's holding the creepy clown's hand standing over dad's bed.
Speaker B:Yeah, that clown.
Speaker B:That clown.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So, okay, now about to.
Speaker A:They become carnies.
Speaker A:They get hired by Mr. Cooper.
Speaker A:But Mr. Cooper has some.
Speaker B:Like, before I get talking.
Speaker B:I can't believe you missed the line where.
Speaker B:So they get.
Speaker B:They pull in and Sam is like dog eyeing this poor woman.
Speaker B:Like he was dressed as a clown.
Speaker B:And then basically he's a little person.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's very rude.
Speaker B:And then Sam said he fingered a clown.
Speaker B:And then Dean just kind of looks at him and he stops.
Speaker A:Oh, I did miss that.
Speaker B:I have you missed that he fingered a clown line?
Speaker B:Like, that is.
Speaker B:That was fucking gold.
Speaker A:Well, anyways, so at first I had written down, they were meeting with the carny boss, and I'm like, oh, his name is Mr. Cooney.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:But it's kind of interesting.
Speaker A:He does a quick dive on.
Speaker A:On the history of freak shows.
Speaker A:And it's very brief.
Speaker A:He just like basically two sentences saying that his family's had carnivals for a long, long time.
Speaker A:And they talk about how the end of like the.
Speaker A:The era.
Speaker A:Like the golden era, if you Will of freak shows where they showed, you know, better or worse.
Speaker A:Wrong.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:That's a different debate for a different day.
Speaker A:But like where they had the bearded lady, the conjoined twins, the fire breathers, the A contortionist.
Speaker A:All these kinds of things.
Speaker A:And what would happen after they.
Speaker A:They started shunning these was that a lot of the people that had been performers would end up either unemployed or in hospitals or things like that.
Speaker A:So it's kind of a.
Speaker A:That is something that is historically accurate.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they would ended up in hospitals that they're lucky.
Speaker B:Some of them struck out in their own.
Speaker B:Like I said, I lived near Circus Town, so.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, Lobster boy was there and a bunch of other people just kind of settled.
Speaker B:Settled there.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:There's really interesting history into the world of sideshows and freak shows and just kind of taking back in these days something else too.
Speaker B:So when he's trying to test their knowledge of being carnies, I thought we'd enjoy learning what those things said.
Speaker B:So he's.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Also, Dean forces Sam to sit in the clown chair.
Speaker B:Which was awesome.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker A:It was funny.
Speaker B:It was just like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And this enjoys how much it's freaking Sam out to be hugged by a clown.
Speaker B:So Mr. Cooper is like.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You've been in this business for a while, kids.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can just not have that voice.
Speaker B:But I just kind of like that.
Speaker B:So what were you doing?
Speaker B:You were ride jockeys?
Speaker B:Butcher.
Speaker B:A and S men.
Speaker B:All right, so some carney lingo.
Speaker B:Ride jockey.
Speaker B:That one's okay.
Speaker B:I want you to guess what these are.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:What do you think of ride jockey is.
Speaker A:I don't have anything appropriate to.
Speaker B:This one's actually pretty.
Speaker B:Pretty self explanatory.
Speaker B:It's a guy who works a ride.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:What do you think a butcher is?
Speaker A:I mean, I don't think they're actually like cutting up meat.
Speaker A:So I mean, I would say maybe it's someone who.
Speaker A:It just happened.
Speaker A:Maybe someone that handles like the food service to the people there, though, kind of.
Speaker B:So a butcher was a strolling vendor selling refreshments or souvenirs.
Speaker B:And so the foods.
Speaker B:Also interesting enough, they were sitting to the big top in an order.
Speaker B:And so they would go in and dry first so that once people were almost ready to kill you for a drink, then the wet would come in.
Speaker B:And candy apples didn't go into the last couple of acts because it didn't take people too long to eat.
Speaker B:An apple.
Speaker B:So I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker B:They were like, oh, we're going to stage like, we want you to drink beer.
Speaker B:We want you to get this.
Speaker B:So we're going to give you all the salty.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:And the last one.
Speaker B:A and S man.
Speaker B:What do you think an A and S man is?
Speaker B:Also, if you read it out, it looks like Ass man.
Speaker A:So A and S man.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I was going to say like arts and showmen.
Speaker B:So it stands for age and scale operator.
Speaker B:So basically the guess your weight operator.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And the game is quite profitable if it was operated as a hanky pank, which is in when the charge to play is more than the wholesale cost of the prize.
Speaker B:So I guess that's where hanky panky came from.
Speaker B:And I learned today, I learned hanky panky.
Speaker A:Hanky pank.
Speaker B:All right, so let's go on.
Speaker B:So, yeah, sideshows set it up.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:There's a little side note here.
Speaker A:Just I thought it was interesting that the, you know, after he gives a little bit of history lesson, Mr. Cooper basically says, like, look, you know, we don't want to live normal lives because he's like, you all should go.
Speaker A:Like, we all need to go to school and have families and settle down and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:This, you know, that's.
Speaker A:That's what you should start doing.
Speaker A:Not being.
Speaker A:Not be here, because you're obviously not carnies.
Speaker A:And Sam's kind of like says, like, we don't want that.
Speaker A:We want this.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, is he talking about the carnival and, like, answering a character?
Speaker A:Or is he actually talking about hunting and doing the family business?
Speaker A:Okay, anyway, so I was like, well, this could be profound depending on your interpretation.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So obviously we find out it was metaphor.
Speaker B:Such a metaphor.
Speaker B:And Dean just hammers the shit out of Sam for this.
Speaker B:He is like, where did this come from?
Speaker B:Thought you want to go back to school when this is all done.
Speaker B:I'm like, you're being a dick.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Like what, Sam, do you want him to do that?
Speaker A:Like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:Anyways, so basically now they're just both working the carnival.
Speaker A:They both get Mr. Cooper fucking hires them.
Speaker A:They're working the carnival.
Speaker A:They're gonna go meet up and talk about the.
Speaker A:You know, try to figure out what's going on.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I kind of skipped where we met this.
Speaker A:This blind man right before they met with Mr. Cooper, who's a knife thrower.
Speaker A:And so this blind guy stops.
Speaker A:Stops.
Speaker A:Dean as he's.
Speaker A:They're going to meet, meet.
Speaker A:And it's just like, kind of trying to, like, ask them what's going on.
Speaker A:So Sam kind of tries to pump him for some information, but in the meantime, lies saying that they're writing some book about, like, ghosts.
Speaker A:So anyways, they're.
Speaker A:While Sam and Dean are conferring, here this fucking goes again.
Speaker A:They're trying to, like, just confer about, like, what have you found?
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:What have you found?
Speaker A:Okay, like, normal.
Speaker A:You see a little girl go look a clown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And also before that, I think where this kind of wraps everything around with the lore is basically Sam tells the Dean, I cannot believe you told Papa Zn about the homicidal phantom clown.
Speaker B:And Dean was like, I told him an urban legend about a homicidal phantom.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:So now they.
Speaker B:Apparently this was based on phantom clones.
Speaker B:So anyhow.
Speaker B:All right, so girl.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So she sees the clown and they're like.
Speaker A:And then they.
Speaker A:And then they.
Speaker A:And it points out your parents and it's gone.
Speaker A:And Sam and Dean are like, okay, here we go.
Speaker A:So not to add the creep factor of a creepy fucking clown.
Speaker A:Now you've got the Winchester brothers in a fucking minivan in front of these people's house.
Speaker B:Get in the van, Gilgirl.
Speaker A:Like, I'm like, okay, so let's not make it like, so, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Crown clown is very creepy.
Speaker A:We all agree the clown's fucking creepy.
Speaker A:You know, it's also creepy two fucking dudes you don't know in a minivan sitting outside of your fucking house.
Speaker B:So is it more creepy that they're in a minivan and not in baby creepy?
Speaker A:It's creepy either way.
Speaker A:But it's more creepy in the minivan.
Speaker A:I say that as someone that used to drive a minivan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there is a.
Speaker B:A lot of things in here that are not going to be good looks for Santa.
Speaker B:Not at all.
Speaker B:You're not gonna come off looking too good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The cops are.
Speaker B:You're gonna get some new things added to your rap sheet, boys.
Speaker A:Because they decide to go because they see the little girl get up in the middle of the night.
Speaker B:Also.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:They also said that Cooper worked.
Speaker B:We got the tie back from like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they figured out that the Cooper also worked for the Bunker brothers during their evil Clown apocalypse.
Speaker A:And maybe 81 again.
Speaker B:And maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe the title of it should be instead of Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:Evil Clown Apocalypse is also a good one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So they are spying and watch a little girl in her house turn on Light.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Boys.
Speaker A:Okay, so they.
Speaker A:So a little girl goes to the back door where you can't.
Speaker A:Where they can see, and it's opening the door to the clown and extends her hand to invite him in.
Speaker A:And of course, by now, our.
Speaker A:Our Winchester brothers have conducted a little, like, B and E and are already inside the house.
Speaker A:So as soon as they see a little girl leading the clown.
Speaker A:Clown.
Speaker A:Through the house, they grab her to save her and shoot the fucking clown fair.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Okay, I don't blame them, kind of, but the clown, like, gets shot, goes down, and then gets.
Speaker A:Starts getting back up and jumps through the window and disappears.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Well, what's happened next?
Speaker A:There's been a gunshot in this house.
Speaker A:Little girl's fucking screaming.
Speaker A:Two dudes in the house, they don't know.
Speaker A:So guess what?
Speaker A:Mom and dad wake up and show up, and there's some dude they don't know holding their child, who's screaming, and a dude with a gun and the glass door blown out of there.
Speaker A:Your house.
Speaker A:Like, they did not.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is not a good look, boys.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not a good look at all.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:You're so very creepy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:If this was Texas, you're like, you're in Wisconsin.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ghetto people in Wisconsin, they have a lot of people.
Speaker A:Guns, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And C4.
Speaker B:So that's fair.
Speaker B:And the little girl does say, mommy and daddy, they shot my clown.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And you should be like, thank you, Mommy, Daddy, they shot my clown.
Speaker B:Like, that's a good thing, girl.
Speaker B:Like, when you get older, you'll be like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:No, they shot my clown.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, of course this means they have to ditch the creepy minivan just in case those plates got.
Speaker A:I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:They did not think.
Speaker A:I mean, I. I appreciate their commitment to trying to save this little girl's family, but they did not think this plan through at all.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But we get a really good time.
Speaker B:You know, Instead of them driving somewhere,.
Speaker A:They walk and talk about their feelings.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they're going to get into a big old argument about who's handling their grief better.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's so productive.
Speaker A:The answer is neither, because your dad.
Speaker B:Just died and it's fucking sad, and you should be upset and you should not be handling things well.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Like, you're allowed to be grieving.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And grieving in your own way, it's okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Your brothers, you're not the same person.
Speaker B:You can deal with things in different ways.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they figure out, though, that the.
Speaker A:Whatever the.
Speaker A:The creepy clown is a rakshasa, which is.
Speaker A:Yep, Hindu.
Speaker A:And it feeds on human flesh, but is known for living in squalor, specifically on a bed of bugs.
Speaker B:I can't resist.
Speaker B:I give you guys a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of Lauren Rookshaws.
Speaker B:So there's male and they're female ones.
Speaker B:And this is just my favorite story that I came across about them.
Speaker B:So the males are the ones that are really nasty.
Speaker B:They always look really ugly, and they sleep it, you know, sleep in squalor.
Speaker B:And then the females, though, are generally like beautiful women and they're called, like, rakshasis.
Speaker B:So in Hindu scripture, there is a story of Lord Krishna, who we all know, and the rakashi putana, which sounds a lot like a Mexican word for a Spanish word for something not good.
Speaker B:So the evil king Kamsa orders putana to kill an infant Krishna.
Speaker B:The king is afraid of a prophecy that foretells that his destruction by the son of two other things.
Speaker B:So Putana disguises herself as a beautiful woman and ventures to breastfeed Krishna.
Speaker B:Before doing this, she poisons her nipples with the venom of a deadly snake.
Speaker B:To her surprise, as she feeds the child, it feels like her life is being slowly sucked out.
Speaker B:To everyone's astonishment, the Krishna kills the rakshasi and plays on top of her body.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Holy crap.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So that's a. I could not tell that story because that is awesome.
Speaker B:And also just like, hey, Lord Krisha, like, you're gonna play on top of the corpse of the thing.
Speaker B:You just.
Speaker B:There's so many things in here that are just fabulous.
Speaker B:I'm like, yep, poison.
Speaker B:You poisoned your nips.
Speaker B:And then he's gonna dance on your body.
Speaker A:All right then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, so, yeah, apparently.
Speaker A:So our rakshasas are.
Speaker A:Have to feed.
Speaker A:They feed every like 20 to 30 years usually.
Speaker A:And they take a human form, but they have to be invited inside.
Speaker A:And they can only be killed by a dagger of pure brass.
Speaker A:And so of course, the guys are like, oh, it must be fucking Cooper then.
Speaker A:He worked for the other carnival.
Speaker A:He works for this carnival.
Speaker A:Totally makes sense.
Speaker A:So they're gonna go try to figure it out.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:So Sam's going to go cut into the bed.
Speaker A:Hoover's bed to see if it's full of bugs to prove it one way or the other.
Speaker A:Well, Dean goes to get the brass dagger from the blind guy who throws knives.
Speaker A:And yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, sure.
Speaker A:Checking that trunk opens the trunk.
Speaker A:Fucking clown costume.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not good.
Speaker A:They didn't.
Speaker A:They didn't think this through.
Speaker A:Again, this was not their thinking episode.
Speaker B:There is a buffoonery.
Speaker B:But you also the.
Speaker B:I forget his name.
Speaker B:Past money, whatever.
Speaker B:He is the blind.
Speaker B:The maybe not blind dude.
Speaker B:He's not really good at throwing knives.
Speaker B:He's just like so good knife throwing going on here.
Speaker A:And when they bust him, his like eyes change color and his like face shape changes.
Speaker A:It's kind of crazy looking anyway.
Speaker A:And then he goes invisible.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So they end up having a big fight.
Speaker A:Like a chase scene in the fun house house.
Speaker A:And then Sam gets actually pretty clever and uses a.
Speaker A:Goes and pulls one of the organ pipes out of the.
Speaker A:Or there's an organ in a fun house, which I don't know what that's.
Speaker B:About, but it was brass.
Speaker B:Like a very expensive organ in his fun house.
Speaker A:Okay, why not?
Speaker A:But he goes and pulls one.
Speaker A:I'm like, sure, cool.
Speaker A:Okay, like, sure, I'll buy there.
Speaker A:There's a pipe organ in a funhouse, I guess.
Speaker A:But are they actually brass?
Speaker A:Apparently they are.
Speaker A:Because he successfully pulls that out and then stabs blindness.
Speaker A:Like blindly, no content.
Speaker A:Blindly stabs the invisible guy and the rock shots and kills it.
Speaker B:You missed a really good line, which is Sam stabbed it with his organ.
Speaker A:Or you can just say he stabbed it with his pipe.
Speaker A:Yeah, it all works.
Speaker A:It all works.
Speaker A:And then Dean says, I hate fun houses.
Speaker B:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker B:I mean, they're really.
Speaker B:They're not fun.
Speaker A:There's like.
Speaker A:Like there's like the like the real cheesy ones, like, where you have to like walk through the crazy.
Speaker A:Like the tubes that's spinning and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Like, I could have fun at those.
Speaker A:I just don't want like.
Speaker A:I don't like shit jumping out of me.
Speaker A:The mirror, like a mirror maze is fine.
Speaker A:I don't get like upset jumping.
Speaker A:I just don't like things jumping out at me.
Speaker B:No, Mirror Maze is.
Speaker B:How many horror movies have you seen?
Speaker B:Bad things always happen in Mirror Maze.
Speaker B:Someone's gonna kill you.
Speaker B:They're not gonna be real.
Speaker B:They're gonna be in the there.
Speaker B:And also, I don't need to see like really fatter versions of myself.
Speaker B:Like, I'm big enough.
Speaker B:Like, maybe it was all just like the skinny fun house mirror.
Speaker B:That would be fine.
Speaker B:Like I would go through that was like, oh, no.
Speaker B:All these mirrors gonna make you look really tall and dead and be like, cool.
Speaker B:We're going at.
Speaker B:That would be a fun house.
Speaker B:The one you're like.
Speaker B:You're gonna look like A toad.
Speaker B:And then also you're gonna walk into some glass because you're not that smart.
Speaker B:That is the anti fun house house.
Speaker A:So I'm just worried about things startling me.
Speaker A:That's my focus.
Speaker A:That's all there is to it.
Speaker B:But I also feel like that's not like the startling thing is a haunted house.
Speaker B:But this fun house had things jumping out.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:This one did.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I just don't think, like, that's the concept of a fun house.
Speaker B:I think fun houses generally mirrors and like the weird, like, oh, your perspective is off.
Speaker B:Which also.
Speaker B:I just don't like that because also probably been on a lot of drugs when I've been in them and just, you know, things.
Speaker B:They weren't probably.
Speaker B:But, you know, it's in general.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm not a fan of those.
Speaker B:And yeah, we're gonna end it on that.
Speaker B:So Sam stabbed somebody with his organ.
Speaker B:Continue.
Speaker A:That's what you want.
Speaker A:You just want to leave it at that.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker A:So we get back to the.
Speaker A:We go back to the roadhouse.
Speaker B:Roadhouse.
Speaker A:And Joe is still flirting with Dean because she was bummed he didn't hit on her earlier.
Speaker A:And it's like, oh, am I gonna see you again?
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:Basically he's like, I'm just not in the mindset for this right now.
Speaker B:It was also really funny.
Speaker B:I think if Dean had hit on her, she would never have been interested because he's aloof.
Speaker A:The one time he's fucking aloof.
Speaker A:Now she's like, hey, yeah.
Speaker B:And I get that.
Speaker B:Joe, I'm here with you.
Speaker B:Like, what?
Speaker B:I can't have him.
Speaker B:Yeah, come here.
Speaker B:Give me some, Dean.
Speaker B:But like, oh, also, you're sad and broken.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:You don't want me.
Speaker A:You're emotionally unavailable.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we get.
Speaker A:We get Ash comes back and he's set up some like, he's got some like, girl.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Tell me about this laptop.
Speaker A:They just like, did somebody just like Velcro a shit ton of like, like random processors and motherboards to the outside of a fucking, like, generic laptop?
Speaker A:Is that what I just saw?
Speaker B:Pretty much.
Speaker B:There's a bunch of circuitry and things in there that don't belong in a laptop and that.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not gonna, gonna.
Speaker B:I am not one who breaks things down.
Speaker B:Like, I don't break my laptops apart like that.
Speaker B:But I mean, basically it's a.
Speaker B:It is a self contained whatever.
Speaker B:This is what he learned at mit.
Speaker A:We learned that he went to an MIT This.
Speaker A:They're like, how the.
Speaker A:Did you learn this?
Speaker A:Because he's like, yeah, I could totally track all these things that your dad noted and was.
Speaker A:I built an algorithm that's going to track all this shit.
Speaker A:So if anything happens that's a symbol of this demon coming, of your demon coming back, we'll know right away.
Speaker A:And they're like like, okay, how did you do that?
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, you know, I went to mit, but he got kicked out for fighting.
Speaker B:I know, because he's adorable.
Speaker B:He also says, I'm on it.
Speaker B:Like Divine on dog dookie.
Speaker B:Which I just bring things back to Baltimore.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's like going to Baltimore, the home of Divine.
Speaker B:I do want to go to Divine's grave when I'm there.
Speaker B:Which is like, what is Liz going to do in her trip?
Speaker B:Try and lure all her friends to cemeteries?
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:Apparently, that is likely what's going to happen.
Speaker B:And they're really like, we want to go do.
Speaker B:I'm like, not cemetery, not yet.
Speaker B:Cemetery.
Speaker B:I agree with.
Speaker B:Most of them are pretty gothy.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Have you.
Speaker A:Have you seen John Waters do a spoken word thing in the last few years?
Speaker B:It's been a while since I've seen him.
Speaker B:I mean, I appreciate most things John Waters does and most people I know from Baltimore really like him just as a person.
Speaker B:They always said he was pretty cool and just weird.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker A:But he's a good storyteller.
Speaker A:Like in like doing.
Speaker A:He just goes up and does like.
Speaker A:He does tours periodically where he's like open, like just tell stories for like an hour and a half.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I would love to sit.
Speaker B:Honestly.
Speaker B:He's like, I wanna.
Speaker B:He has a bar, but he hangs out in.
Speaker B:In Baltimore.
Speaker B:But obviously now I don't know what's going on with that bar.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, but I would love just like he's the one who I just want to sit down next to and have some drinks with and listen to him tell stories because he's a weirdo and I like weirdo is.
Speaker A:Yeah, I got.
Speaker A:I got to meet him once.
Speaker A:I saved the day.
Speaker A:He was so happy because I had breath mints and he went really bad because he just finished speaking and he was about to do like one on one meet and greets with people.
Speaker A:And he's like, I just really need a mint.
Speaker A:Someone have a mint.
Speaker A:And I'm like, I got you.
Speaker A:And he was like, oh my God, thank you so much.
Speaker A:Because he was about to like meet like a bunch of fans, like one on one.
Speaker A:And you Know, like, if you and you and I.
Speaker A:Like, I know you've.
Speaker A:I done public speaking.
Speaker A:You've done public speaking.
Speaker A:And, you know, like, even if you're drinking water, no matter.
Speaker A:Or soda or whatever it is, is after you've spoken for, like two hours, your breath is not good.
Speaker A:Like, you are not staying hydrated because you've been talking.
Speaker A:Your mouth is dry, and you're just like, I don't want to breathe on people right now.
Speaker A:But anyways, there's my.
Speaker A:That's my.
Speaker A:I got a really cute picture with him.
Speaker A:That's my John water story.
Speaker B:You're welcome.
Speaker B:Yeah, you should post that.
Speaker B:I don't know how this go.
Speaker B:Ties into this, but.
Speaker A:Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Okay, there we go.
Speaker A:Anyway, so we cut back to.
Speaker A:So they're like, basically, Ash is going to call them if anything happens.
Speaker A:And they're like, it.
Speaker A:We're going back to Bobby hobbies.
Speaker A:That's where we're going now.
Speaker A:We're done.
Speaker A:We're gonna go.
Speaker A:Because Dean's got to work on Baby.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker B:And Alan does offer them a place to stay.
Speaker A:She does.
Speaker A:And they're like, no.
Speaker A:That's why they're like, no, we gotta go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Needs to work on Baby.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:Which is obviously a thing he has to do.
Speaker B:But I think it's really cool that, you know, Ellen was just, like, wanting to step up and be like, do you mean like, mom?
Speaker B:You ever had a mom?
Speaker B:But she doesn't know that.
Speaker B:But she may know that.
Speaker A:She probably does.
Speaker A:If she knew John and knew that he was a hunter, she.
Speaker A:Probably why.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so I think it's interesting.
Speaker B:It's like, hey, here is this opportunity for a supporting figure.
Speaker B:And they're like, no, we gotta handle shit on our own.
Speaker A:So anyways, we finally.
Speaker A:So we get Sam and Ian having another talk about their feels while Dean's working on the car and basically figure out that Sam feels really guilty about how things ended with dad because they were arguing.
Speaker A:Like, literally, they were arguing.
Speaker A:And then dad died.
Speaker A:And so they're both.
Speaker A:But they're also both just processing grief differently and accusing the other of not processing it right.
Speaker A:And it's just stupid.
Speaker A:But anyway, so it kind of ends.
Speaker A:And then Dean has.
Speaker A:Dean commits an act of violence against an important fixture in the show.
Speaker B:You hurt the one you love, man.
Speaker A:He takes a crowbar and beats the fuck out of Trunk.
Speaker B:Team Trunk.
Speaker B:Trunk.
Speaker B:Poor Trunk.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:She is Poor Trunk.
Speaker A:Like, she is like, I think we need it.
Speaker B:I think we need a team Trunk.
Speaker A:Here by the way, we definitely need a team trunk here.
Speaker A:So it is.
Speaker A:It is a distressing scene.
Speaker A:I. I was not happy about it and I was like, what?
Speaker A:And now my car side was like, well, it needs to replace the trunk lid then.
Speaker A:So that's actually pretty smart.
Speaker A:He didn't wreck up more of the car.
Speaker A:But I'm also like, no, not trunk.
Speaker A:We love trunk.
Speaker B:So at least we're in Impala land, so.
Speaker A:Right, we're in Impala land.
Speaker A:So it's fine.
Speaker A:They'll be able to trunk lid somewhere.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker A:I think you had the stats at some point about like, how many Impala they go through in the show.
Speaker A:I'm like, already like, appalled.
Speaker A:But I know shows do this all the time.
Speaker A:It's not like, not.
Speaker A:Well, I'm not oblivious.
Speaker B:It's just like, they also, like, they're not necessary.
Speaker B:Especially like, you see in this one, they're not destroying like a mint condition, right?
Speaker B:They're finding like the shitty versions and point.
Speaker B:But they have like the.
Speaker B:Basically the one we can throw away and beat with, you know, beat with a tire iron or crowbar.
Speaker B:Sorry, this is not a tire.
Speaker B:It was crowbar.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker A:At least they are beating a fucked up.
Speaker A:At least they beat the heat to beat the fuck out of a fucked up car instead of like an intact, pristine.
Speaker B:But also it.
Speaker B:This is a good.
Speaker B:And like, as much as I was saying, I can't tell you how to process your grief, but it is like, okay, there's a reason why we have like these rooms now where you pay to go destroy.
Speaker B:You pay somebody who.
Speaker B:I can go destroy shit.
Speaker A:You know, it's like.
Speaker A:It's like when people get into.
Speaker A:Some people get into boxing or some people do other kind of extra, like where you can hit things.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, it can be very cathartic, satisfying.
Speaker B:Like, it really is like when you get to actually like throw shit and just like break stuff.
Speaker B:Like, it feels good and like, you know, especially for something to.
Speaker B:This character was so symbolic of his father to take like the only.
Speaker B:Like, I'm going to.
Speaker B:I'm so mad at you that I'm going to destroy the thing that you love that I was trying to rebuild for you.
Speaker B:It's pretty.
Speaker B:It's a pretty epic moment.
Speaker B:Even though it's really painful to watch it fucking.
Speaker B:You know, it's really emotional thing.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It really was.
Speaker A:Was.
Speaker A:It was a definitely emotional scene, for sure.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker B:And did you visit an episode that was about creepy clowns?
Speaker B:And then to be able to just have like, this is like a minute scene, you know, like, just like, boom.
Speaker B:Like, there we go.
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker A:So neither of them are processing grief well, and they're both judging the each other about how they process grief.
Speaker A:And that clown.
Speaker A:That's our.
Speaker A:That's this episode.
Speaker B:So that clown.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Evil clown apocalypse.
Speaker B:I hope we're done with clowns.
Speaker B:I don't know if we are, but, yeah, I don't want to talk about clowns ever again.
Speaker A:But no, I really.
Speaker B:Yeah, this.
Speaker B:This was a. I don't know.
Speaker B:I think, you know, from my.
Speaker B:My standpoint, it's like I had no idea how big.
Speaker B:The clown.
Speaker B:Rabbit hole.
Speaker B:The clown hole.
Speaker B:The clown.
Speaker A:Oh, don't say the clown.
Speaker A:You cannot say the clown hole.
Speaker A:The clown car.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:Like, how many things were fit into this tiny clown car?
Speaker B:Like, I love.
Speaker B:I really do love it when I find a new piece of.
Speaker B:I, like, I had no idea this is an urban legend.
Speaker B:Like, I knew.
Speaker B:I mean, I knew about the cloud shit, but I didn't know that this went that far back.
Speaker B:And I actually shared my notes with one of my friends earlier today because we were talking about it and I said it to him.
Speaker B:He was like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't realize that there was going to be like 75 things.
Speaker B:I thought there was gonna be like 10.
Speaker B:I'm like, no.
Speaker B:And I'm like.
Speaker B:And I was like, I cut out because this was too long.
Speaker B:And it was like.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:But there's.
Speaker B:It's astounding.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker A:Totally crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all I got.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:We're only in episode two, and there's always, like, all these emotions.
Speaker B:It feels coming out.
Speaker B:What could be next?
Speaker B:Next?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:I want more feels.
Speaker B:I want more.
Speaker B:More beating things.
Speaker B:Okay, so on that note, I thank you clowns.
Speaker B:Not all of you clowns.
Speaker B:Just the evil clowns.
Speaker A:That clown.
Speaker B:Fuck that clown.
Speaker B:That particular clown.
Speaker B:Fuck him.
Speaker B:And if I'm sure, like, there's.
Speaker B:We're gonna.
Speaker B:We could probably go into obscenity case for this episode, but I'll do it when I see it.
Speaker B:All right, I think we're done then.
Speaker B:So cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
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