2:04 Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things
It is Supernatural Season 2, Episode 4 "Children Shouldn't Play Things." Or as we're calling it "Pitter Patter Bloody Splatter!" since Letterkenny's Jared Keeso is in it! EEK! Also we're discussing the Bone Discourse aka Boneghazi. Should you need consent for bones? Discuss.
Sources:
Attic Voices. "Boneghazi." https://www.atticvoices.com/2019/boneghazi.
Know Your Meme. "Stealing Human Bones: Boneghazi." https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/stealing-human-bones-boneghazi.
Vice. "Boneghazi: How a Grave Robbing Controversy Tore an Online Witch Community Apart." https://www.vice.com/en/article/vb4m4a/boneghazi-how-a-grave-robbing-controversy-tore-an-online-witch-community-apart.
YouTube. "Boneghazi Documentary. "https://youtu.be/r9RtooH8xXY.
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, Talking Supernatural, Season 2, Episode 4.
Speaker A:On our episode this week, we'll talk about bone ghazi, don't put your dick in dead things, and pitter patter, blood splatter.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, Diana.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And this week, we're talking about season two, episode four of Supernatural.
Speaker A:Children shouldn't play with dead things.
Speaker C:I mean, nobody should play with dead things in general.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're going to have a lot.
Speaker B:Of discussions about playing dead things during this.
Speaker C:During this episode.
Speaker B:And lore and other things.
Speaker B:There's been like, stop, no, don't put.
Speaker C:Your dick in dead things.
Speaker C:I think it could also be the title of it, but, you know, hey,.
Speaker B:I'm just hitting this right off the bat.
Speaker B:We're just going with that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So I. Weird that we finally had our girls weekend with plus plus Babe.
Speaker C:Girls weekend plus Babe in Dallas.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I had a lot of fun.
Speaker B:We went to a tiki bar and babe drank out of a Spam can, which was really cool.
Speaker B:And I got a zombie without grapefruit, which means I just had three kinds of rum poured into a glass and then was like, this delicious.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:Yeah, I had a dole whip.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:It's like my favorite thing.
Speaker A:Dole whip with rum on it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we took some really cool photos.
Speaker A:Graveyards and tacos.
Speaker B:We went to the graveyard and then we got tacos because graveyard tacos is our new thing.
Speaker B:But it was a really cool cemetery.
Speaker B:We got to see where Clyde Barrow was buried.
Speaker B:And apparently everyone still really loves Clyde Barrow.
Speaker B:And based on the tributes left at his grave, which, you know, led to the conversation of, are people practicing magic here or are they just honoring the dead?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:But there wasn't.
Speaker C:Like a lot of Dallas, it's a.
Speaker B:Hispanic neighborhood, like it was in San Antonio.
Speaker B:Everything there would have been covered like that.
Speaker C:So I think it's.
Speaker C:And it's also.
Speaker B:It is April.
Speaker B:Wait, no.
Speaker C:What month is it?
Speaker B:It's June.
Speaker A:Technically, it was May when we were there.
Speaker A:So, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker B:It's spring or summer or something like that.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, there was.
Speaker B:But there was weird tinsel hanging in the tree by his grave.
Speaker B:I thought that was weird.
Speaker B:But the cemetery itself was lovely.
Speaker B:Fairly well kept.
Speaker C:I didn't, you know, it wasn't amazing,.
Speaker B:But it was all right.
Speaker A:And it's a very old cemetery in Dallas, so It's.
Speaker A:It's a.
Speaker A:On the west.
Speaker A:It's West Dallas.
Speaker A:It's almost like Oak Cliff, but not quite.
Speaker A:It's kind of like on that cusp.
Speaker A:Depending on who you ask what the border of Oak Cliff is or not.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So that was a cool little stop.
Speaker A:Off to a somewhat Dallas landmark if you're into the Bonnie and Clyde stuff.
Speaker A:Then we went for fancy dinner and super fancy.
Speaker C:And then we drank a bunch of.
Speaker B:Wine at fancy dinner.
Speaker A:We did.
Speaker A:And we had wagyu tataki.
Speaker A:That was amazing.
Speaker C:Yeah, the place was great.
Speaker B:All sorts of chandeliers.
Speaker A:All chandeliers, yeah.
Speaker B:And we went to the haunted Hotel Adolphus.
Speaker B:But we did not get to see any ghosts.
Speaker B:But we have.
Speaker B:We did learn from one of the front desk girls.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I wish I could remember her name.
Speaker B:I'd shout her out.
Speaker C:But we also didn't tell her the.
Speaker B:Name of our podcast was just.
Speaker B:You won't be listening to this.
Speaker B:Maybe she's a random listener.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker C:But I think you're supposed to stay.
Speaker B:On the 19th floor when we go.
Speaker A:We also tried Floor ballroom, and the 19th floor is where they have it.
Speaker A:Because apparently there was like a jilted bride who hung herself on the 19th floor or something.
Speaker A:Is like the lore that they have for that.
Speaker A:For that.
Speaker A:For the hotel.
Speaker A:And so down in their basement area, which looked creepy as hell, which we didn't get to see, we saw a photo.
Speaker A:And then up on the 19th floor, where they have paranormal activity, it's considered like one of the more haunted, like, hotels in the city of Dallas.
Speaker A:So we tried to crash a wedding and failed.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, we.
Speaker C:We did.
Speaker B:Like, we're just casually crashing it.
Speaker B:Like we already had a drink.
Speaker B:So it's like we're gonna wander in and see if there's anybody watching card and then.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker B:This is the private event.
Speaker C:I'm like, how do you know we don't belong, bitches?
Speaker B:What about me says I don't belong here just because I look like a 90s Courtney Love rejects.
Speaker B:What means I don't belong at your fancy fucking wedding?
Speaker C:Maybe I'm banging.
Speaker C:I'm banging the groom.
Speaker A:You weren't.
Speaker A:You were in full, like, riot girl gear.
Speaker A:It was pretty epic.
Speaker A:Riot girl.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So yeah, we popped in so there.
Speaker A:And then popped over to one of my dear friends or Dave and I's friends.
Speaker A:Babe and I as friends.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:Used to have a bar in Deep Ellum called Black Swan Saloon that is now closed and he is now operating the running Managing midnight rambler in the basement of the Jewel Hotel in Dallas.
Speaker A:And it was super fun vibe there.
Speaker A:Phenomenal beverages.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then it started getting crowded and the DJ was just okay.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:And then a DJ happened, so we left.
Speaker A:So it was time to go home anyways, but that's fine.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was good.
Speaker A:And recovered by the pool for a bit on Sunday.
Speaker B:And that's stupid cold pool day.
Speaker C:It was so hot.
Speaker B:I'm in San Antonio this week and it was so hot outside.
Speaker B:Just like putting away groceries in the car.
Speaker B:I was like, full on, just like drenched, wet.
Speaker C:And I was like, where was this when I was hanging out in the pool?
Speaker A:I know it was supposed to be sunny, and then it was gray and cool.
Speaker B:So I know my first world problems.
Speaker B:I can't get into the pool.
Speaker B:It's too cold.
Speaker B:Oh, poor pee.
Speaker C:I know, I know.
Speaker B:It's sad.
Speaker A:Rough.
Speaker B:Rough like a dog.
Speaker C:All right, so what are you doing?
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker A:So I was going to drink the Snoop Doggs 19 Crimes Callie Red.
Speaker B:I bought that today.
Speaker B:Justify it.
Speaker A:I took Dave Babe and I took a sip.
Speaker A:And I'm now drinking a mediocre Malbec.
Speaker B:So I didn't can it either be a second bottle.
Speaker A:It's real sweet.
Speaker B:It's sweet.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why would Snape Dogg's wine be sweet?
Speaker B:He seems salty.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It was sweet.
Speaker B:Fuck my life.
Speaker A:Sorry to disappoint.
Speaker A:You might be able to go with it.
Speaker A:A second bottle.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm very sensitive to red, sweet wine.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker C:Yeah, I know.
Speaker C:I'm not a fan.
Speaker A:You are either.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:But I was like, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I was very excited to be drinking the Snoop Dogg Cali Red.
Speaker A:I was stoked.
Speaker A:And then I was like, oh, I'm gonna have a.
Speaker C:Take a sip of this and smoke.
Speaker A:My cigarette before I come do my podcast with Liz.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:And maybe you have to be really.
Speaker B:High to drink it.
Speaker C:Like, maybe like.
Speaker B:Like if you're really stoned.
Speaker B:Like, maybe.
Speaker B:I wonder if he has, like, like a specific, like, strain of weed that pairs with it.
Speaker B:And not that we can get that in Texas, but, you know, he's got.
Speaker A:A strain of weed and some Martha Stewart's recipe that maybe Anita's like, martha,.
Speaker B:How do I drink this wine?
Speaker B:Like, how do I make this palatable?
Speaker B:And then she's like, you pour it out and then you put another wine in here and then you pretend you're drinking the Snoop Dogg rub.
Speaker A:I wanted to like it I was excited.
Speaker B:But the bottle's so cool.
Speaker B:So cool.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker A:Sorry to be the.
Speaker A:I mean, now you're going to taste it and you're gonna know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:But if I'm before try it, at.
Speaker C:Some point it's gonna be like, how.
Speaker B:Shitty is my week this week?
Speaker C:Like, it's like, nah, nah.
Speaker A:I'm going Snoop Doggy don't care.
Speaker A:It's happening.
Speaker B:So I am drinking a from the 903 brewers Texas Mud Pie Reserve Stout.
Speaker B:It's oak aged with chocolate, pecan and marshmallow flavor.
Speaker B:Malt beverage with natural flavors.
Speaker B:You don't have to worry about a malt beverage.
Speaker B:So it pairs with espresso, BlackBerry jam and bonfire sipping.
Speaker B:I don't know why you would have an espresso with a beer.
Speaker B:I don't understand that Espresso in the beer.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It also has a picture of the glassware I'm supposed to be using and I'm just drinking out of the jelly jar because that was all I could find here.
Speaker B:I think that's what that glass is called.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But it is 11.9%.
Speaker B:So by the time I drink this one, it was also breeding canned in Sherman, Texas or Sherman.
Speaker A:Sherman.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sherman's north of Dallas.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So yeah, this is supposed to be.
Speaker B:Like drinking a brownie.
Speaker B:I wouldn't recommend drinking a brownie.
Speaker B:I do love me a stout.
Speaker B:And this does have some interesting notes, but it's also, it's a lot, it's.
Speaker A:A lot of flavors.
Speaker C:But I've had a day and so.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna suffer through.
Speaker A:You're gonna enjoy it.
Speaker A:It'll be fine.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:And I have to drink it fast.
Speaker B:I have two other beers here and they're not being chilled.
Speaker C:So unless I want to drink warm.
Speaker B:Beer at some point that I need to power through, and then that will make this episode extra fun.
Speaker A:Yay, man.
Speaker B:All right, let's get smashed off with two beers.
Speaker B:Woo hoo.
Speaker A:Oh my gosh.
Speaker A:Well, yeehaw.
Speaker A:On that note, before you get smashed on beers in this episode, do you want to give us the background on it?
Speaker B:Well, unfortunately, because I was traveling and the massive thing, I basically left Dallas, threw things down, packed another suitcase.
Speaker B:I have no idea what clothes I have with me.
Speaker B:And it's also really hard when all your clothes are mainly black and you're trying to dig through a pile of black clothes.
Speaker C:You're like, I don't know what this is.
Speaker A:They all blend.
Speaker B:But my super napple.
Speaker B:Oh Boy, My Supernatural companion book got left.
Speaker B:So really just running off of Supernatural wiki.
Speaker C:And like Diana said, the title is.
Speaker B: , which comes from a nineteen: Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So luckily then they were getting a spooky season.
Speaker C:Like the first time this came out,.
Speaker B:You're prepping for Halloween and making your costumes.
Speaker B:This was directed by Kim Manners.
Speaker B:So gay for him.
Speaker B:And then also written by Rael Tucker.
Speaker B:So two people we've talked about before.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:So I think we can just kind of zone in on this boy trying to fix a girl's feelings with emo music and chocolate.
Speaker B:Yeah, the chocolate he gives her.
Speaker C:Eminem's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Do you know have you ever been through a breakup?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:Eminem's are going to fucking cut that shit.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm a weird girl and like, like, I'm sad.
Speaker A:I want a chocolate bar.
Speaker A:Like, no, fuck you.
Speaker A:I want either to drink about it or I want like pasta and ice cream.
Speaker A:I'm kind of like, it's one of them together.
Speaker A:Well, pasta then ice cream.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:I was like, damn.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, I'm not.
Speaker A:Whoa, whoa.
Speaker A:I'm not pregnant.
Speaker C:Oh, man, I was so tempted at the store today.
Speaker B:Sorry, tangent, guys.
Speaker B:So the store I'm in was fucking magical.
Speaker B:And it was like a giant warehouse that.
Speaker A:It's a brand new agb.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a brand new grocery store.
Speaker B:Just filled with all the things, which is why I have a Texas mud pipe here.
Speaker C:But they have like these like single.
Speaker B:Pinterest ice cream makers and like miniature waffle makers.
Speaker C:And I was like, do not buy these.
Speaker C:Don't buy them.
Speaker B:But I'm going to be here for a week.
Speaker B:And so if I, like at some point, I may bring those home with me.
Speaker C:But I was like, that's really cool.
Speaker B:I can just make like a single pint of ice cream for myself and then I won't feel bad about it.
Speaker B:But it also kind of looked like a piece of shit.
Speaker B:So it would probably break down.
Speaker B:But one of our friends told us this weekend that she makes like her frozen drinks, alcohol slushies when she's not knocked out because she's pregnant, but she makes them in her ice cream maker.
Speaker C:So I was like, oh, man, I.
Speaker B:Could just like pour like shit in here and like make like, you know, a froze or whatever.
Speaker B:Whatever the heck they just drank.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I didn't even think of that.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker C:I Mean, so I was like, this.
Speaker B:Is where I'm, like, debating because I'm like, you're not that expensive, and I can make ice cream and I can make frozen drinks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, like, we just multi.
Speaker A:It's multipurpose.
Speaker A:Then it's different.
Speaker B:Yeah, you can make it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:So sorry for that.
Speaker C:But, yeah, we had to.
Speaker B:I thought we had to know about that.
Speaker C:Okay, so.
Speaker A:So my immediate thought.
Speaker A:Yeah, so as soon as this scene is happening, like, there he's.
Speaker A:He's got, like, a beer there, they're feeding her M and Ms. And la di da.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, shit, this guy's friend zone.
Speaker A:That was my first thought.
Speaker A:And because I didn't catch his name right away, I think half my notes to say friend zone is how I identified him.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:I mean, that's.
Speaker A:That's what was happening.
Speaker A:So anyways, there's a knock, you know, knock at the door, and she's like, don't let him in.
Speaker A:And so it's her, I guess, her boyfriend, her ex boyfriend, whatever, at the door.
Speaker A:His name is Matt.
Speaker A:And he forces his way in, and of course she's gone.
Speaker C:She loved the M and Ms, which I was.
Speaker C:I know I shitted on the M and Ms. A little bit, but at.
Speaker A:The same time, you don't leave them.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:I'd be like, bitch, I'm out.
Speaker B:But I'm taking these with me.
Speaker A:Did you notice who Matt is?
Speaker C:No, who played Matt?
Speaker A:So he's from another show that you're very fond of, according to IMDb.
Speaker A:And that would be a show.
Speaker A:Just a little Canadian comedy starring Jared Kisso.
Speaker C:He's in.
Speaker C:Who is he in?
Speaker B:Letterkenn.
Speaker A:Wayne.
Speaker C:That was Jared Kiso.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Shit.
Speaker B:Now I have to rewatch the whole fucking episode.
Speaker B:God damn.
Speaker B:I didn't really like this episode that much.
Speaker A:I know he looks familiar.
Speaker A:He's only a couple parts spoiler.
Speaker A:He's not very much of it.
Speaker C:He's a baby.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, he was such a baby.
Speaker C:I can't believe I.
Speaker A:He also had, like, that dumb beard and different hair.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker C:Yeah, he also wasn't doing a squinty eye thing or, like, kicking people's asses.
Speaker A:And wasn't wearing, like, tight western jeans and crossing his arms excessively like that.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker C:That's how I crossed my arms in.
Speaker B:So many pictures this weekend.
Speaker A:You're in Letterkenny mode.
Speaker B:You're channeling.
Speaker A:You're channeling Wayne.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So it's just funny because we did watch a Few episodes of Letterkenny while we were drinking.
Speaker A:Anyways, so.
Speaker A:So she's gone.
Speaker A:So we cut to.
Speaker B:Oh, also, she flew out the window, by the way.
Speaker A:That's because I'm like.
Speaker A:I can't get.
Speaker A:I mean, like, when was the last time you crawled through a window?
Speaker A:Not you.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Last time you crawled through windows.
Speaker A:I can't remember the last time I crawled through a window, and it hasn't been recently.
Speaker A:And I know I would not be that nimble.
Speaker A:I mean, I get that she's like, early 20s something, so obviously she's more limber than my ass, but still, it is not as easy as it looks.
Speaker C:No, I will tell you, having crawled.
Speaker C:Well, calling into a window might be.
Speaker B:Different than crawling out.
Speaker B:Because calling into a window, when you're a woman of a certain age and.
Speaker C:You have big knockers, they make them like.
Speaker B:You're like, how do I get in this window?
Speaker B:Because I was trying to get into the.
Speaker B:This hallway, and there's like, where do my boobs go?
Speaker C:And I'm like, okay.
Speaker C:And then I finally just had to.
Speaker B:Give up because it was high enough.
Speaker B:I couldn't.
Speaker C:Like, I was like, if I try.
Speaker B:And go in feet first, like, my.
Speaker B:My childbearing hips are going to, like, bust through this.
Speaker C:So I just had.
Speaker B:Dove headfirst into a sink full of dishes.
Speaker B:And, like, you do.
Speaker B:Like you do.
Speaker C:So I would also not be a good cat burglar.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she's like, out this window.
Speaker A:And then we cut to, she's, you know, crying.
Speaker A:Crying hysterically and driving, which, not gonna say I've never done this in my life, but it is also quite unsafe.
Speaker A:And then on top of that, her phone rings, and she answers her flip phone and keeps looking off the road.
Speaker A:I'm like, something's gonna happen.
Speaker A:Something's gonna get her on the fucking road.
Speaker A:Fucking know it.
Speaker A:Because this bitch is looking at her phone and bawling and not driving.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker C:And I get you did not have.
Speaker B: Bluetooth in your car in: Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:However, you were also the prime commercial for why you should not talk on your phone while you drive, hands free.
Speaker A:Well, if talking on the phone and driving, that'd be one thing.
Speaker A:If she had been crying and driving, that'd be one thing.
Speaker A:If she.
Speaker A:But the combination of all three things at once, I think, is what really sets it over the edge.
Speaker B:Well, and she was also looking the wrong way.
Speaker C:I'm like, why are you looking over there?
Speaker C:Nobody's over there.
Speaker B:Why aren't you Looking ahead, like.
Speaker A:But I was expecting something creepy to be in the road, and it wasn't something creepy.
Speaker A:She just hit a motherfucking wall and bled a lot.
Speaker B:She did.
Speaker B:She pledged a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All over that flip phone that, like.
Speaker C:She did.
Speaker B:She did.
Speaker A:She did.
Speaker C:Flip phone did.
Speaker B:She did.
Speaker A:So anyway, so she.
Speaker A:So we cut to our Winchester brothers, and they are going to visit their mother's headstone.
Speaker A:Apparently it's.
Speaker A:You know, Dean's attitude is like, this is dumb.
Speaker A:She's not even there.
Speaker A:And Sam's attitude is that it's important that they.
Speaker A:He thinks that it's important to go for themselves.
Speaker A:Dean really just wants to stop at the Roadhouse and check on progress hunting for the demon.
Speaker A:But Sam just is really, like.
Speaker A:Just thinks it's important, so.
Speaker A:And at the cemetery, when they do get to the cemetery, they.
Speaker A:Sam is by himself at mother's.
Speaker A:At his mother's gravestone and has his dad's dog tags and buries them on.
Speaker B:Her grave with a knife.
Speaker A:With a knife.
Speaker A:It's a very.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And my note on the cemetery is,.
Speaker B:Sam gets weepy, Dean gets creepy.
Speaker B:Because Dean sees some creepiness.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, he does.
Speaker A:He sees a dead tree.
Speaker A:And so he has to go check out the dead tree.
Speaker A:And then we see there's a perfect circle of dead grass.
Speaker A:Like a pretty big one.
Speaker A:Like a six foot.
Speaker C:Like, it was a large circle of dead grass.
Speaker A:Like, perfect circle.
Speaker C:Way to go, art department.
Speaker C:Clip on.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And you see a temporary grave marker there.
Speaker A:But all the flowers at the temporary grave marker are already dead, too.
Speaker A:So then all of a sudden, there's like, the groundskeeper or something that doesn't even look like a groundskeeper.
Speaker A:Look like they run a funeral home.
Speaker B:He looks like an undertaker.
Speaker B:He was not a groundskeeper.
Speaker A:Like, what is this dude just.
Speaker A:He just happens to be at the cemetery at this moment.
Speaker A:It was very odd giving Dean a business card.
Speaker A:And anyways, he's trying to, like, figure out what happened in the spot.
Speaker A:Like, how long was that body buried?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, it's only been a few days.
Speaker A:This must be unholy.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:Dean's convinced it's unholy ground.
Speaker A:Some kind of demonic presence or some kind of a unhappy, strong spirit.
Speaker A:Sam thinks that Dean's just grasping at straws.
Speaker A:And it's kind of like, you know, you're just upset about mom and you have to turn everything into a hunt.
Speaker C:It's not our thing.
Speaker B:It's our thing.
Speaker B:It's not our thing.
Speaker A:It's a variation of that.
Speaker A:It's a variation of that exact argument.
Speaker A:Only it's.
Speaker A:Now it's about feelings instead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But also like Sam and I get.
Speaker B:Kind of pissed off and there's like,.
Speaker C:Dude, there's a giant circle.
Speaker C:Like a perfect six foot circle.
Speaker B:This is weird.
Speaker C:This is not what normally happens.
Speaker B:Like, no, nobody sprays pesticide in giant circle above a grave and doesn't do it anywhere else.
Speaker C:Like, what the fuck, Sam?
Speaker A:How it works.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not a Sam fan this episode.
Speaker A:No, he's kind of annoying.
Speaker B:He's a little bitch again.
Speaker C:All right, so let's go question the dead dad.
Speaker B:That seems like a good piece of our time.
Speaker A:And the dead dad is very accommodating.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, he is.
Speaker C:But I think also if, you know, he's.
Speaker A:He's just shocked and thinks it's her friends.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, it's just like, yeah, of course.
Speaker B:He's like, I'm gonna talk to you.
Speaker B:You're my daughter.
Speaker B:Dead daughter's friends.
Speaker B:Like, let's have a moment.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they questioned him and just like, no, Dean's projecting.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:Anything else to say this before we get to Matt?
Speaker A:I was just going to say that he teaches an ancient Greek courses.
Speaker A:Like that was something that ties in a little bit later.
Speaker B:Yeah, the ancient Greeks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's basically it.
Speaker A:They harass dad and then they leave after Dean gets to be kind of a dick.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:So then Matt's watching old videos of.
Speaker B:Angela, which is weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he's drinking a beer and then he did.
Speaker A:Well, I was gonna say.
Speaker A:So then I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:He kind of like stops and looks like eyes wide.
Speaker A:And I'm like, there's gonna be something reflected on tv.
Speaker A:So that's when I covered my eyes because that's what I do.
Speaker A:Because I'm a wood.
Speaker A:And I covered my eyes.
Speaker A:And then he turned around and then all you see was him turn to look at behind him.
Speaker A:Because there's a reflection of her on the tv.
Speaker B:And then blood splatter.
Speaker A:But I had to cover my eyes.
Speaker C:There was lots of good blood splatter,.
Speaker B:I thought, but there wasn't like a mirror ghost.
Speaker B:It was fine, Diana, you could have watched it.
Speaker B:Go back and watch it because it's your key.
Speaker B:So now I have to go back and watch it and be like, oh, hey.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So he.
Speaker C:Dad,.
Speaker A:The first 10 minutes of the episode, you're fine.
Speaker A:You don't have to talk to a.
Speaker B:Whole lot it's true.
Speaker B:Okay, so then Dean's gonna commit some.
Speaker A:D and E at Angela's place, but doesn't know that she has a fucking roommate.
Speaker B:Oops, surprise.
Speaker B:Who likes to run around in her underwear.
Speaker A:And she looks kind of like.
Speaker A:Like they look similar.
Speaker A:I had to do like, a double.
Speaker A:Wait, what?
Speaker B:That's probably why her boyfriend was her.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I'm tired of this one.
Speaker B:This one looks just like that, but it's new.
Speaker B:Yeah, but at least, like, Dean was surprisingly not TV for a chicken in her underwear.
Speaker A:Underwear.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, she's just chilling and.
Speaker A:But she does about how Matt had killed himself the night before at this point and had cut his own throat, which is very.
Speaker B:We also learned that Angela was great.
Speaker A:She was great.
Speaker A:Just great.
Speaker B:She was great.
Speaker A:Which also, like, you start now, once you know what happens, you piece it together and you're like, oh.
Speaker B:Oh, this bitch.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, you are fucking her, man.
Speaker B:And now you're trying.
Speaker A:You didn't get to call her great.
Speaker A:You don't get to call her great.
Speaker A:And you're obviously way more upset about Matt supposedly slashing his own throat, which is a very abnormal way for someone to kill themselves.
Speaker C:Yeah, no, that.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know what the statistics are,.
Speaker C:But in general, not saying, like, not.
Speaker B:To be super morbid, but everyone I know who's killed themselves, nobody has slit their own throat.
Speaker B:Like, that's never been away.
Speaker A:It's a lot like OD's.
Speaker A:OD and gunshot are a lot more common, I think, from my understanding.
Speaker A:So, yeah, speaking than from.
Speaker A:I don't have the stats in hand, but from what I recall, and statistics on that is those are much more common.
Speaker B:So it's also just.
Speaker B:Damn, that's fucking brutal.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so he does that.
Speaker C:And then we also find out that.
Speaker B:He was seeing Angela.
Speaker A:Yes, he had been seeing her.
Speaker A:Like visions, like an acid trip was one way she described it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That's one way to say it.
Speaker A:But she insists that there was nothing wrong in their relationship between Angela.
Speaker A:Matt and Angela didn't have any problems.
Speaker A:Except for the fact that I was fucking him.
Speaker B:It's a slight problem, but, you know,.
Speaker A:I mean, everything's fine.
Speaker A:Totally fine.
Speaker C:I mean, it's like, also like, dude,.
Speaker B:If you're gonna dip your dick, like, why are you doing it in the next bedroom over?
Speaker C:Like, this is a bad choice.
Speaker B:You're gonna get caught.
Speaker B:Unless you wanted to get caught, which is likely, you know, and then you're gonna be like, oh, so I'm such a horrible person.
Speaker B:I feel bad.
Speaker B:No, you don't, Dick.
Speaker B:Like, I'm glad you're dead.
Speaker A:So then we get another really awkward scene.
Speaker A:We cut to Sam sitting in the motel, and you hear the intro to a film featuring two Latin beauties.
Speaker A:And it's definitely porn.
Speaker B:So It's Casa Erotica 4.
Speaker C:Diana.
Speaker B:I'm not going to spoil anything, but just bookmark that.
Speaker B:Just not in your head.
Speaker C:Okay, so.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Dean walks in while Sam is watching.
Speaker B:At least he wasn't spanking it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:And it was also kind of weird.
Speaker B:How Sam was watching it because he.
Speaker C:Wasn't like, yeah, he was just like.
Speaker B:Like, were you looking for the story?
Speaker B:Like, what is it?
Speaker A:He was definitely looking for.
Speaker A:Absolutely looking for the story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And also, like, I guess maybe like,.
Speaker B:They're using stolen credit cards.
Speaker B:I'm like, motel porn's expensive.
Speaker B:And I guess this is pre pornhub, so.
Speaker C:But still you have the Internet at this point.
Speaker C:Like, why are you doing the hotel pay per view?
Speaker B:But whatever.
Speaker A:Are we implying that Sam has taste in these things?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just don't see Sam as.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:As a motel porn guy.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I just.
Speaker B:I don't see anybody as multiple porn guy.
Speaker C:Like, and I believe.
Speaker B:And I used to work for a cable company.
Speaker B:And I will say that I've seen a lot of celebrities, cable, pills, who watch a lot of porn.
Speaker B:I wasn't saying I lived in San Antonio at the time to just think it was the celebrities lived here.
Speaker B:And I'll just, you know, shooting, shooting email, and I'll like, maybe nod ahead or like.
Speaker B:Or shake my head no.
Speaker B:But yeah, they watched a lot of porn.
Speaker B:I'm like, this is dumb.
Speaker B:Like, I just don't understand paying for porn.
Speaker B:I've never understood it.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, even, like, we used to, like, rent the videos and, like, we would rent them as a group, which is kind of weird.
Speaker A:That's its own weird.
Speaker A:That's its own weird.
Speaker A:You're talking about weird.
Speaker A:That's its own weird.
Speaker C:That's its own weird.
Speaker A:We weren't like having, like, used to buy DVDs.
Speaker A:I mean, that was the thing.
Speaker A:You could buy a dvd.
Speaker C:Well.
Speaker C:Or the Vivid girls would just give.
Speaker B:Them out to you at strip clubs.
Speaker C:But yeah, there was one.
Speaker B:Like, we used to find, like, all this.
Speaker B:We just tried to find, like, the weirdest porn.
Speaker B:You know, we wanted to find like, the midget porn and Sorry.
Speaker B:And little people porn.
Speaker B:But I think if it's porn, you can probably mention porn.
Speaker C:And then, like, there was all these, like, rockabilly ones where they were just like.
Speaker B:There's strange takes of, like, rockbilly life.
Speaker B:Oh, and then there are the zombie porns.
Speaker B:And zombie porns are really interesting.
Speaker B:There's like, the Repenetrator, which is like the reanimator, but it's a repenetrator and it's hilarious.
Speaker B:So that's probably why we're.
Speaker A:Does this fall into the category of why you shouldn't play with dead things?
Speaker C:Oh, well, yeah.
Speaker C:My new letter.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think in that movie there.
Speaker B:Was a lot of don't.
Speaker B:Don't put your dick in dead things.
Speaker C:But yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so next topic.
Speaker A:Moving on.
Speaker A:So Dean walks in and says, awkward, and it's hilarious.
Speaker A:And then we move on to.
Speaker A:Basically, he's able to report back.
Speaker A:Dean reports back about how Matt's dead now.
Speaker A:He's pissed that Sam didn't believe him.
Speaker A:Explained that at the apartment, like, there was dead plants, dead goldfish, all that.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was like, hey, like, so.
Speaker B:Is the sign of dead plants that you have zombies?
Speaker B:I'm like, do I have zombies?
Speaker B:Is that why I can't keep, like, my indoor plants alive this year?
Speaker C:Like, fuck.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't even know.
Speaker B:Like, shit, someone get the zombies out of my house and my plants can live.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So apparently you have to go rebury them.
Speaker A:But anyways, so Dean had stolen her diary.
Speaker A:And so they are.
Speaker A:They decide that because they've read all about fucking Friend Zone now, so they got to go check out his place.
Speaker A:I say they show up at Friend Zone's place, so.
Speaker A:And they pretend to be grief counselors, which is.
Speaker A:Cause a really funny line later.
Speaker B:But they also offer therapeutic collage.
Speaker B:And at first I thought he said therapeutic colonic.
Speaker C:And I was like, wow, that's a grief service.
Speaker B:I had to go look at the transcript.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, collage.
Speaker B:Collage, yes.
Speaker C:And I was like, I would like.
Speaker B:To do a therapeutic collage.
Speaker A:But yeah, so this is where they find out where Neil tells them that because they were like, oh, we're worried about you since Matt killed himself.
Speaker A:And he's like, matt didn't commit suicide over grief.
Speaker A:It was over guilt because Angela had walked in on him fucking some other chick.
Speaker A:So now they have that confirmed.
Speaker C:And also that is pointing to friendzone's.
Speaker B:Feelings about Angela too.
Speaker B:Just like, yeah, yeah, she's.
Speaker B:Oh, she's dating this guy and he wasn't even good enough for her.
Speaker B:He Was cheating.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So now Dean's convinced it's a vengeful, vengeful spirit.
Speaker A:Just wants to go burn the bones.
Speaker A:Sam points out that her body's only a few weeks dead and it's gonna be a lot.
Speaker C:Few days dead.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's a corpse.
Speaker B:It is a corpse.
Speaker A:This ain't a skeleton.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, you're scared to get yourself.
Speaker A:You're scared to get a little dirty.
Speaker A:And I'm just like, oh, that's a little.
Speaker A:That's a little much.
Speaker B:So this is very different.
Speaker C:Like I'm sorry if I was like a bone hunter.
Speaker B:We're gonna get into bone hunter.
Speaker B:So there's also boner hunters.
Speaker C:So yeah, it's very different.
Speaker B:Like digging up a grave that has.
Speaker C:Bones in it as like burning a full fucking body.
Speaker B:I guess he just burned dad, but it's different.
Speaker B:Like you got the hair, you got the.
Speaker C:With things like it's a.
Speaker A:Has partial face.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, not a good.
Speaker C:It's not a good thing.
Speaker C:It's Sam here, right here.
Speaker B:You are very much right.
Speaker A:This is very dark.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But of course, surprise.
Speaker A:They dig it up and it's empty.
Speaker B:Coffin is empty.
Speaker C:It is empty.
Speaker B:So let's talk about Grave Robin.
Speaker B:Since it was wartime.
Speaker A:Grave robbing.
Speaker C:Grave Robin.
Speaker B:But we're not really going to talking about grave robbing.
Speaker B:We're only talking about it kind of what we're going to talk about is Bone Ghazi, AKA the great Bone Discourse.
Speaker B:So this was the thing that I did not know about.
Speaker B:I don't know how I miss this.
Speaker B:Probably because I was never on Tumblr.
Speaker B:I don't remember what I was doing when this happened.
Speaker B: This was in: Speaker B:I was just starting a new job or I was saving the world or something.
Speaker C:But anyways, I just kind of stumbled.
Speaker B:As well as looking through things on grave robbing.
Speaker C:And there's lots of good stuff about Ray robbing.
Speaker B:We'll get back to it.
Speaker B:Some other things, but this just blew my mind when I read it.
Speaker B:So I wanted to make sure we had a chance to talk about it.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So her.
Speaker C:Their name is Ender E N D.
Speaker B:E R. They were.
Speaker B:They were then living in New Orleans.
Speaker B:They posted a secret Facebook group known as the Queer Witch Collective.
Speaker B:Qwc.
Speaker B:Not to be sick with qvc.
Speaker B:That's where you buy jewels or I don't know what QVC sells But I was doing.
Speaker B:You buy jewels and like rear dolls.
Speaker A:I think they sell clothes and all kinds of.
Speaker A:Now that chick's on freaking.
Speaker B:They sell clothes for weird dolls.
Speaker B:No, that's pretty sure that's all they do.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:No, that's all they do.
Speaker B:It's just weird dolls and clothes for them.
Speaker C:So basically this was an online secret.
Speaker B:Facebook group of LGBTQ magic project practitioners.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:That word was hard to say.
Speaker B: members in: Speaker B:No one can see my little hands.
Speaker B:I'm making air quotes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Ender posts.
Speaker B:Most graveyards around here are full above ground graves because we live in a fishbowl, New Orleans.
Speaker B:But there happens to be a graveyard where it's all in ground graves.
Speaker B:You can literally walk around, see femurs, teeth, jaws, skulls, caps, et cetera.
Speaker B:And this is where I go to find my burns for cursework and general spells that require bone.
Speaker B:Anyways, I wanted to see if I started selling in quotes.
Speaker B:Basically cover shipping to wherever you happen to be, if people would be interested.
Speaker B:I know human bones are easy to come by, and I usually have leftovers, which is one that is a problematic thing, is it's called those leftovers.
Speaker B:Why does that.
Speaker B:Leftover bones?
Speaker C:You know, I haven't used them all cursing my enemies.
Speaker A:I over collected.
Speaker A:I just like, you know, I was doing all these curses and I thought I would need a few more.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So she posts this in this Facebook group and initially there are some positive responses.
Speaker C:And then some people are like, hey,.
Speaker B:Are you doing this, like in a magically ethical way?
Speaker B:Which is saying, like, are you making offerings at the graveyard for the bones that you're taking?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, I brought.
Speaker B:They said they brought honey and flowers and they scooped up the bones that the goddess left along their path.
Speaker B:So they just said, you know, hey, the goddess is doing this for me.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But then some people started thinking about it and the group starts pointing out, hey, girl, or sorry, them, you know, that you're desecrating a cemetery.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And they were like, what?
Speaker C:And so Ender posted do dot because.
Speaker B:Do period, not period shame, period.
Speaker B:Me, period for period, my period, work, period.
Speaker B:I had to say it that way because that was just a nose, but it really was part of the group's colors.
Speaker B:And this does make sense.
Speaker C:You have a large group of magic.
Speaker B:Practitioners doing different traditions.
Speaker C:And so if one is doing a.
Speaker B:Traditional tradition of their ancestors or other things like.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, you shouldn't make fun of them for that.
Speaker B:You shouldn't shame them for it.
Speaker C:But this is running on some different things.
Speaker B:So one of the larger issues that was brought to light was the graveyard that they were taking bones from was.
Speaker C:More than likely the bones of people.
Speaker B:Of the poor and people of color.
Speaker B:Because in New Orleans, if you have money or just a little bit of money, you bury your debt above ground because it floods.
Speaker B:And if it doesn't flood you, burns.
Speaker C:Them underground, then they rise up, and.
Speaker B:That's how you get femurs and all these things, like hanging out in the cemetery.
Speaker B:And so it was determined that the potter's field in question was Holt Cemetery.
Speaker B: round that was established in: Speaker C:And there were a number of famous,.
Speaker B:You know, black historical figures in New Orleans who are buried there.
Speaker B:There is just, you know, it's often.
Speaker C:Just, like, sad as it was.
Speaker B:And this was actually post Katrina, so it did survive Katrina.
Speaker C:But in the end, it's like, oh,.
Speaker B:Hey, you're kind of just ripping off the bones of poor people, and more specifically, black people, but also just poor in general.
Speaker C:Like, you're just kind of going through.
Speaker B:And taking some bones.
Speaker B:And so one of the moderators, like, hey, let's open up this topic for discussion.
Speaker B:And Ender was like, yes, please.
Speaker B:But the problem was, before this Love Online, some of the members of the group already felt that moderators were dismissing their concerns, and people had just already started leaving the group.
Speaker B:Well, then this goes beyond Facebook, because then somebody on Tumblr posted that the user Little Fucking Monster, which is Ender Darling's account, Little Fucking Monster.
Speaker B:And I'm like, you're ripping off my culture, bitch.
Speaker B:But, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:My subculture gets mad at that.
Speaker C:So her name is A Little Fucking.
Speaker B:Their name was Little Fucking Monster.
Speaker B:And they're like, hey, Little Fucking Monster just posted that they were stealing bones from New Orleans graveyards.
Speaker C:And some people were questioning this, like,.
Speaker B:Where is the proof?
Speaker C:And then this other person was like, oh, no.
Speaker C:But here is screenshot, screenshot, screenshot of the post from Facebook.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:So they upload the Facebook thread, and then it went viral.
Speaker B:The responses were veering between outrage and also memes because the Internet.
Speaker B:And within one week, the post had gained over 36,100 notes.
Speaker B:So it's one week, and on Tumblr, but it's a lot.
Speaker B:I don't exist, maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So one Tumblr user, the Skeleton Fairy, Hats Darling.
Speaker C:And so basically, the fairy said, bone.
Speaker B:Theft is the most heinous act.
Speaker B:Hear me, Bone Witch.
Speaker B:M W Y T C H and know that you are forever cursed.
Speaker C:So say I.
Speaker B:The Fae ephemers, the Imp of iliums, the Sylph of skulls, the Pixie of pelvises, the Skeleton Fairy, which is, like, my favorite hex ever.
Speaker C:I'm like, amazing.
Speaker A:That is like, such a signature.
Speaker A:Like, just the signature on that.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:I'm just like, yeah, I'm the Fae of femurs.
Speaker B:Like, that's such that Your alliteration is on point.
Speaker B:That is such good alliteration.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You go, wait, you have anatomical knowledge, alliteration and style.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, I approve of this text.
Speaker B:I don't think you want Tumblr, but whatever.
Speaker C:So then, in addition to, like, the.
Speaker B:Outrage and the memes, this is a point where Bone Galaxy starts becoming a thing.
Speaker B:And you can look through there.
Speaker B:All these things are obviously archived because the Internet never goes away.
Speaker B:But there was, like, thousands of memes that were made about, you know, robb cemeteries.
Speaker B:But people also started notifying the police.
Speaker B:And to be fair, it is not illegal to sell bones in most states.
Speaker B: At least in: Speaker B:However, it is a felony to steal things out of a graveyard.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So not illegal to sell the bones.
Speaker B:Illegal to wander through a cemetery and pick up.
Speaker A:Yeah, the acquisition is the important part, not necessarily what you do afterwards, it sounds like.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So Ender also created another Tumblr profile to defend themselves.
Speaker B:And they wrote that, yay.
Speaker B:They saw an old man digging with a shovel and a backhoe tearing into old plots, and that they decided to take them after they saw a few bones tumble from the dirt and into the street.
Speaker B:I picked them up and went through the graveyard and picked up the ones I saw on my path, knowing that they're either going to be crushed or swept away.
Speaker B:And I'm sorry, but for me, a spiritual person who works with death, seeing a fucking machine tear into graves like that seemed a lot less respectful to the dead you were also concerned about than me picking them up and saving them.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker B:You know, it's a point.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:It's a point.
Speaker C:You know, hey, you know, they're just.
Speaker A:If that's true.
Speaker B:If that's true.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker C:I really.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We're just going by people's accounts anyways.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker C:And it was like, you didn't rebury them, Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, like, if you're going to be.
Speaker C:And we'll kind of.
Speaker B:We'll get into this later.
Speaker C:We'll kind of.
Speaker A:My thoughts on it.
Speaker C:But so what is.
Speaker C:So after this goes off, you know, it's blowing up on Tumblr, then the mainstream media starts bringing it up and they're really focused more on the Tumblr and the Facebook fights and the actually, like, talking about the issue of what you do about these cemeteries.
Speaker C:What do we do with these bones?
Speaker C:How do we.
Speaker C:Respectful of it?
Speaker C:You know, is it okay to use it in rituals for magic?
Speaker C:Which, you know, I.
Speaker C:But he's like, no, they're just gonna talk about like, oh, my God, there's these funny queers on.
Speaker C:On Tumblr fighting.
Speaker C:And this is hilarious about both.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's a lot of memes.
Speaker A:No, they're cursing each other through Facebook comments.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is a good story.
Speaker C:At the same time, though, it's like, hey, there's actually something to this.
Speaker C:There is a discussion, right?
Speaker A:Like, what is.
Speaker A:Who is there.
Speaker A:Is there a sense of, like, I think you and I.
Speaker A:Lot of wine in my head we're talking about this.
Speaker A:And like, is there a sense of owner?
Speaker A:Is there an ownership?
Speaker A:Is there a notification?
Speaker A:Is there a process?
Speaker A:Like, what is the steps?
Speaker A:Like, what has to be done?
Speaker A:Is it.
Speaker A:If it's a pauper's grave, does it belong to the government?
Speaker A:Is it, you know, like, are there next of kin?
Speaker A:Like, how old are they?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, the same thing.
Speaker A:You know, if I don't.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't want some rando selling my bones on the Internet.
Speaker A:But that's just me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, if it was my bones, I wouldn't give a shit.
Speaker C:However, if my mother was upset by somebody selling my bones, that becomes a different story.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:I think part of the thing that goes into this is like, you're making decisions for families and generations that never has voice in the first place.
Speaker C:So they were so fucking poor, they had to be buried here.
Speaker C:And then now it's becoming, you know, your.
Speaker C:And she wasn't profiting often.
Speaker C:I think that's one thing that gets lost in this because it was like, oh, she was selling them.
Speaker C:She wasn't really sell.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:They weren't really selling them.
Speaker C:They were, you know, basically like, I just need you to pay for cover shipping.
Speaker B:Shipping, right.
Speaker C:Which is not selling.
Speaker C:But anyhow, so the police do go to Ender's house, and after which Ender left The state indigent was quoted about the raid saying they were coming in seriously expecting to find bodies and human organs and have me and my roommates arrested for black marketing human remains.
Speaker C:You should have seen their faces when they walked into the house and found a bunch of sleeping hippies.
Speaker C:Which I also don't like.
Speaker C:You know, this is New Orleans and so the cops see a lot of shit there.
Speaker C:There's a lot of shit that happens in New Orleans.
Speaker C:I, I have watched way too many cop shows about Norwoods.
Speaker A:These cops are always so disappointed.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're just like, oh, we're gonna find like this massive like black mass.
Speaker C:And they're gonna be like, they're sacrificing things.
Speaker C:Like, oh crap.
Speaker C:Fucking hippies.
Speaker A:There's like a metatarsal sitting on like the TV stand next to a fucking roach.
Speaker C:Yeah, probably.
Speaker C:It was probably right next to a roacher.
Speaker C:I, I don't think you're wrong.
Speaker C:I think there was probably like a bomb.
Speaker C:All that's left, a bong and a femur.
Speaker C:So they did.
Speaker C:They found 11 bones and four teeth.
Speaker B:That were all human.
Speaker C:I'm like, you have the teeth.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker C:The teeth gross me out the most.
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker A:A lot of people are into teeth.
Speaker A:Teeth are thing.
Speaker C:The teeth.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:And maybe it's because of all the stories of the people.
Speaker C:Like the old Victorian thing where people used to bury teeth in the wall and like, oh my God, you haven't heard those stories.
Speaker C:We'll get into that one day.
Speaker C:Yeah, they've actually excavated old houses and generally they're like Dennis people or whatever.
Speaker C:But there was like thousands of teeth, like in walls.
Speaker B:Real gross.
Speaker A:People are really into teeth.
Speaker A:It's a thing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:So anyhow, so I said they found 11 bones and four teeth.
Speaker C:They were human.
Speaker C:Ender was arrested in Florida and she was.
Speaker C:They were remanded because they were unable to pay their 8$500 bail.
Speaker C:Following their time in court, the presiding judge handed out the sentence of a five year suspended sentence on the charge of burglary.
Speaker C:So that was the felony?
Speaker C:The felony was burglary.
Speaker C:Because I guess the cemetery belonged to somebody.
Speaker C:Whoever the cemetery belonged to and they were taking things out of it.
Speaker A:Out of the cemetery.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:So what we were kind of.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And what we were kind of talking about before, well, Ender said this was part of their practice and he's been.
Speaker C:Remains are often leveraged in some traditional magic practices.
Speaker C:Especially in a lot of like African practices.
Speaker C:Things that you most More likely think about like, kind of like witch doctor things.
Speaker B:I don't like the term, but kind.
Speaker C:Of, you know, that's the stereotype for it.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And then also darker magic ceremonies there.
Speaker C:But they're not bones of strangers for the most part.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, they're not taking bones without consent.
Speaker C:So doing that is outside of those magic practices, which is kind of another point that people are making.
Speaker C:Like, look, man, like, you know, we may use this in our.
Speaker C:In our ceremonies, but not.
Speaker A:But not rando bones.
Speaker C:We're not.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're not taking random bones.
Speaker C:We're not killing somebody and taking their bones.
Speaker C:It's generally someone who was either donated to us or, you know, someone we were connected to.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, you know, again, that kind of goes into this weird issue of bone consent.
Speaker A:Bone consent.
Speaker C:Bone consent.
Speaker C:Which I never thought about until this was like, yeah, it's a consent of what you do with a dead body, which, you know, we'll go into on another episode about, you know, the thoughts of basically grave robbing for anatomy, which I think is a whole other topic.
Speaker C:And I thought it would just kind of skew this around anyway.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, and so that idea of just like, what.
Speaker C:What happens with a body post death and what do you do with it?
Speaker C:So just some follow ups on the group itself.
Speaker C:So the Queer Witch Collectives Place as a group took a large hit from the controversy.
Speaker A:I can see that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Darling obviously quit.
Speaker C:Dakota, who was the white witch who founded the group.
Speaker C:And this is.
Speaker C:I have a really hard time reading articles on this because they say white witch, and I don't know if they mean white as in white magic or white as in white, because those are two different things.
Speaker A:I guess it depends who's writing the article.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, and because this, this collective was a lot of people of color.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:I'm like, wait, are you trying to point out.
Speaker C:But was it somebody who didn't know about magic?
Speaker C:And that's why you're.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:Like, as my head was like, I don't know.
Speaker C:So Dakota apologized to the members.
Speaker C:Like, I'm sorry, everyone.
Speaker C:Even trying.
Speaker C:After trying my best, I fought with Short.
Speaker C:I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:They didn't take her apology and they left after months of criticism.
Speaker C:So basically, she got hammered through this Facebook group and bullied out.
Speaker C:The subsequent moderator suggested that.
Speaker C:And this is I.
Speaker C:This is speaking of races.
Speaker C:The subsequent moderator suggested that white witches remove themselves from the discourse and simply listen to witches of color.
Speaker C:Every single white witch just needs to stop Posting period.
Speaker C:This moderator wrote, at the very least, stop posting.
Speaker C:Asking for a spell for a specific thing.
Speaker C:That's not how this shit works.
Speaker C:Thought a drive through window.
Speaker C:We're trying to decolonize our minds and bodies.
Speaker C:While you're asking us for McMagick.
Speaker C:McMagick is also a great term I would like to offer that store.
Speaker C:If you would like some fries with your hacks, I will gladly offer that to you.
Speaker C:Not to belittle this or make light of it, but at the same time I'm like, well, like that Internet speaking.
Speaker C:So I fucking hate the Internet.
Speaker C:So then after all of this, they're like, you know what we're going to do?
Speaker C:We're just going to kick everybody out.
Speaker C:So they purged all the members except the administrators.
Speaker C:And they're like, if you want to come back, you have to reapply.
Speaker C:And you had to submit an application wanting to come join our group.
Speaker A:These people do not sound fun.
Speaker C:They sound like no fun.
Speaker C:No fun at all.
Speaker A:I'm like, I don't want to be in this group.
Speaker A:You guys sound like fucking assholes.
Speaker A:I do not want to hang out with you.
Speaker A:I don't want to sit at your table.
Speaker A:I'm going to go do something else.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C: sted their article in October: Speaker C:And I saw a. I saw watching YouTube.
Speaker A:Nobody wants to hang out with these.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I watched a YouTube video.
Speaker C:And we're not saying they're because of their release.
Speaker C:We're saying they're assholes because their tone.
Speaker A:And their discourse with each other.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And to outside people, it's just like,.
Speaker C:Okay, yeah, I was watching a.
Speaker C: A: Speaker C: d I don't know if it was from: Speaker C:I was like, I.
Speaker B:Smaller and smaller.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C: Protection and control act in: Speaker C:And so that provided definitions for specific unlawful acts pertaining to the theft of body parts, selling of body parts, funding the theft of body parts, or knowingly allowing the theft to part body parts.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And they basically said in the law that.
Speaker C:Except it's otherwise permitted by law, which is.
Speaker C:There's a lot of disclosures for like, medical things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And archaeologists, donations and.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:If you're a museum and you're doing an excavation, you know, like, you're allowed to have the bugs here.
Speaker C:But so they said, though the possession of human remains is prohibited, it shall be unlawful to trade in, discard, or destroy human remains.
Speaker C:And a first violation of this shall be punishable.
Speaker C:Sorry, I copied this, the PDF of this.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So the first conviction is you get a fine of not more than $5,000 or imprisonment with or without hard labor for not more than one year or both.
Speaker C:So you get a fine.
Speaker C:You get that upon conviction of a second or subsequent offense.
Speaker C:Each violation shall be punishable by imprisonment with or without hard labor for not more than two years or a fine if not more than $10,000 or both.
Speaker C:But I think this is also really interesting.
Speaker C:Each item of human remains in possession or trade shall constitute a separate offense.
Speaker C:So if you have, like, she did 11 body parts, that becomes 11, like, 11 things.
Speaker C:So that could be, you know, up to, like 22 years in prison and the fines that are coming to it or both.
Speaker B:So yikes.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I think it's interesting that this drove this, but it's also like, hey, maybe there's some gray area here and we need to clarify and, like Louisiana to sit down.
Speaker C:Like, you know what?
Speaker C:You just can't have any bones.
Speaker C:Like, you.
Speaker C:You shouldn't have a person in your house.
Speaker C:Like, you're scallop.
Speaker C:But I mean, so.
Speaker C:And we'll talk about this when we go into the anatomy ones.
Speaker C:But, you know, in Texas, you'll to have corpses and dig them up for anatomy reasons.
Speaker C:But so they had to get them from other states, which is like, how is this better?
Speaker C:Like, you're like, okay.
Speaker C:Like, I can't.
Speaker C:You can't have this.
Speaker A:They ain't Texas bones.
Speaker A:That's why I'm mad.
Speaker C:They ain't from Texas.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:We're okay with that.
Speaker A:But we're leaving our Texas bones in the ground.
Speaker A:We will fuck with some other states.
Speaker A:Bones.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker C:That's fine.
Speaker C:We'll take it.
Speaker C:And nobody cares about those Massachusetts bones.
Speaker A:Genki bones.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's from Gauzy.
Speaker C:It's still something that, you know, is still talked about today.
Speaker C:I'm sad that I missed all the memes, but I just think it's really interesting in terms of.
Speaker C:I hadn't really thought of it because my first thought would be, hey, I'm walking through a cemetery and I see some bones.
Speaker C:I would just pick it up and take them home.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, I won't do that now.
Speaker C:Because I thought about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, also for me, as, you know, as an atheist, like, I don't really care about my bones.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's calcium to you.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And even.
Speaker C:And to me also, if you're a religious person, then if you believe in a soul, it's just fucking bones.
Speaker C:Like, they're just like whatever you.
Speaker C:Whatever you leave behind to me is not me.
Speaker C:Like, there is other parts of me that are gone doing other things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:But I do know that, you know, some people really do value this tradition.
Speaker A:Of giggling at doing other things.
Speaker C:My spirits around doing other things.
Speaker C:It's haunting you is what my spirit's doing.
Speaker C:My spirit is hexing you with my.
Speaker C:My ilium.
Speaker C:My Ellie.
Speaker C:My ilium is hexing you somewhere.
Speaker C:I'm just telling you, you don't.
Speaker C:You don't want to mess my alien.
Speaker C:It will haunt you like you're so wide.
Speaker C:Because it was like, you never.
Speaker C:Look, I never pushed a baby out through it, so it's got plenty of magic left in.
Speaker A:Was just amused.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker C:I know it is amazing, but.
Speaker A:No, yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker A:And like, I think that, you know, a lot of times the bigger issue for remains is almost more for there's two perspectives.
Speaker A:One of them is that even though they don't believe the soul is in the body, still, they still tie the rest of the soul to the body sometimes.
Speaker A:And then also a lot of times the body is like more of just a.
Speaker A:A placeholder emotionally for the surviving love.
Speaker C:This is the symbolism of Mary's headstone.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So Mary is not here, but here as we come to honor Mary.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I mean, I could certainly see where a lot of this, you know, becomes an issue for people who are more sentimental and have souls.
Speaker C:But, you know, I.
Speaker A:Other things, if you don't have a soul is you're gonna be off doing other things.
Speaker A:You can't haunt me without a soul.
Speaker C:I've got an ilium.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker A:Sorry, my mistake.
Speaker C:I don't have to have a soul to have an ilium.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, but it really.
Speaker C:Especially, like when you think about it from a cultural perspective and from an ethics perspective of the people that were buried in this cemetery were already shit upon a lot of life.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker C:Yeah, they got their asses handed to them.
Speaker C:They were not well treated.
Speaker C: or in New Orleans in the late: Speaker C:And then it's like oh, hey, so the final fuck you is that you're gonna have.
Speaker C:We're gonna take their bones and then.
Speaker C:And do magic with it.
Speaker A:Some nog shampa smelling hippie is gonna go pick up your fucking bones on their afternoon stroll to grab some more freaking blunt wraps.
Speaker C:If a hippie picks up my bones, I will be pissed.
Speaker C:And I will tell you that right now.
Speaker B:That's where.
Speaker C:That's where these bones draw the line.
Speaker C:You want to see the ilium hex that comes after you after the hippie picks up my bones, like, oh, no, you fucking patchouli wearing motherfucker.
Speaker C:Like 11.9% beer guys.
Speaker A:Get their patchouli stink all over your bones on their way to go buy some, like, kombucha.
Speaker C:Oh, God, they're drinking kombucha next to my bones.
Speaker C:Ew.
Speaker C:Oh, God, that's.
Speaker C:That is fucking brutal.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Oh, well, shit.
Speaker A:Well, there we go.
Speaker A:Bonghazi.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Diane just gave me a new nightmare for the night.
Speaker C:Thanks, Diana.
Speaker C:Kippy's drinking kombucha over my bones.
Speaker C:So that's it.
Speaker C:So we're gonna go back to Niels, who is making out with the dead chick.
Speaker A:Yeah, he is.
Speaker A:Because guess what?
Speaker A:Angela's dead ass is hanging out in his basement.
Speaker A:And they're like.
Speaker A:It looks like.
Speaker A:It does look like some creepy, like, fucking, like prison cell shit.
Speaker A:And they are making out.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:So question zombie comes back to life.
Speaker C:Is this necromancy?
Speaker C:Is he fucking a corpse?
Speaker A:I don't think he thinks he is, but you can tell he's a little conflicted.
Speaker C:I mean, I guess later when she, like, her body is like, more.
Speaker A:That's when he gets really conflicted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean, I would argue, but see, but then arguably, then, I mean, Dean was almost dead.
Speaker A:Is he a zombie then?
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker A:Dean, are you.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that necrophilia?
Speaker C:What does it matter?
Speaker C:But I'm fairly sure that zombie Angela doesn't have a.
Speaker C:Like, likely doesn't have a pole.
Speaker C:Likely.
Speaker C:You're like, if you can't die.
Speaker C:All the ways they try and kill her where she can't die, that makes me think this is a animated corpse.
Speaker A:I think the important question that we haven't gotten to is they don't tell us, is she cold or not?
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker C:And like, do they have, like, rigor mortis?
Speaker C:I guess rigor Morris goes away.
Speaker A:She's pretty nimble, so I don't think she's got any.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:But I think she's crawling in and.
Speaker A:Out of that air conditioning vent.
Speaker A:I mean, once again, she's pretty nimble.
Speaker A:Little like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I'm about to say something that'll make a lot of you vomit.
Speaker C:So cover your ears in the next 10 seconds.
Speaker C:I mean, she's not getting wet.
Speaker C:I mean, there's no like body secretions.
Speaker C:Like he needs some lube down there.
Speaker C:Like that's just gonna be a dry ass pussy.
Speaker C:I'm just saying.
Speaker C:So you cover your ears, guys.
Speaker C:Okay, we're back.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker A:Oh, he went there.
Speaker A:He went there.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Of course I did.
Speaker A:And so they figure out at the cemetery that there's something carved in the hood.
Speaker A:In the hood of her coffin.
Speaker A:The inside lid of the coffin.
Speaker A:It's not a car, sorry.
Speaker A:It's a little coffin.
Speaker A:And it looks like some like weird ancient language.
Speaker A:So they're like, oh, shit, must be dad.
Speaker A:And they go, fucking Dean goes to be a fucking asshole and harass dad and basically accuse him of having a zombie version of his daughter in the house.
Speaker A:So that's awkward as fuck.
Speaker A:And luckily Sam points out that the plants are alive and drags him out of there.
Speaker C:Also, it's also funny because he's like, how did you see Pet cemetery?
Speaker A:Yes, he did say that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And Sam really just calls Dean out for being like super fucking erratic and is told him he needs to deal with his shit.
Speaker A:And Dean basically admits that he's being an ass, but that they also.
Speaker C:But also he says, yeah.
Speaker C:But he also says that Sam is overreacting.
Speaker C:And I agree.
Speaker C:Like, Sam is like going off the fight rails here too.
Speaker A:I'm like, Sam's being a dick, but Sam's being like a little bit like much.
Speaker A:But Dean was a fucking dick to that dad for no reason.
Speaker C:Dean was definitely addicted, that dad.
Speaker C:He was.
Speaker C:Sam was right to call him on it.
Speaker C:But Sam is also like the.
Speaker C:This is all about your feelings.
Speaker C:I'm like, off, man.
Speaker C:Sometimes you're just pissed off.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker A:So anyway, so now they know they need to go find and kill this zombie because they figured out from dad that this, like, this is a ritual to bring back some.
Speaker A:Someone from the dead.
Speaker A:So they go see Friend Zone Neil and.
Speaker A:Well, you see Friend Zone Neil.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:We cut to them and he's asking her about Matt because apparently their whole plan is that he just keeps her locked in this creepy ass basement.
Speaker A:And she's not supposed to fucking leave.
Speaker A:And she is apparently obviously not well mentally on top of being dead because she is a psycho.
Speaker A:And doesn't want to talk about it and doesn't want to talk about Matt being dead.
Speaker A:But also, like, left the basement because apparently she's supposed to be locked in the fucking basement with a giant latch on the basement door forever.
Speaker C:Neil, you made a sex slave zombie.
Speaker C:Fuck you, Neil.
Speaker C:Like, this is like, yeah, Angela, she's a lying zombie.
Speaker C:Like, she's lying about a bunch of shit, but not cool.
Speaker A:Angela, she's a lying, murdery zombie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But also you made a fucking sex slave of a dent girl.
Speaker C:So fuck you, Neil.
Speaker C:Like, talk about consent.
Speaker C:Like, Angela, zombie shit did not have consent to come back from the dead.
Speaker A:And she said some real creepy shit about, like, how he brought her back.
Speaker A:And that's when she realized that he's the only one who really loved her.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:So she's mind fucking him bad because she just wants to kill people.
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean are trying to figure out how to kill her as a zombie.
Speaker A:And Sam makes fun of Dean for watching too much too many Romero movies because.
Speaker A:Trying to figure out how to kill zombies.
Speaker A:But apparently they.
Speaker A:This is when they've figured out that Neil probably has her and they're trying to figure out how to kill her.
Speaker C:Why does Neil have her?
Speaker A:Unrequited ducky Love.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Also problematic movie that I very much love.
Speaker C:So, yeah, we've got a reference to Pretty in Pink.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And they also figure out that he's Angela's dad.
Speaker A:Ta.
Speaker A:So he knows all about these.
Speaker A:This ancient Greek ritual, apparently.
Speaker A:So they break into Neil's place and Dean says, it's your grief counselors.
Speaker A:We've come to hug, babe.
Speaker A:Walked in the room, by the way, when that line came out and he was cracking up, he thought that was awesome.
Speaker C:So we'll make him on board.
Speaker C:He will.
Speaker C:Eventually.
Speaker C:He'll keep watching.
Speaker C:Walking in.
Speaker A:When he catches it, he just doesn't, like, intently watch it with me.
Speaker A:It's probably not so super fun either because I pause a lot when I watch because I'm like, I need to write about that.
Speaker C:Pause right now.
Speaker C:Pause.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But anyway, so they figure out that there's a zombie pen in the basement and that she's escaping through the air vent.
Speaker A:And so now they know.
Speaker A:Oh, shit, I bet she's gonna go try to kill the chick that Matt was fucking.
Speaker A:And it's gotta be the roommate because duh.
Speaker A:So, yeah, then we cut to a picture of the roommate staring at a peg, holding and, like, staring at a picture of Angela.
Speaker C:And do we ever get a name for this bitch?
Speaker C:Or is it just.
Speaker A:Apparently it's Lindsay.
Speaker A:I think they say it, like, once.
Speaker A:And then I saw cast, so I.
Speaker C:Just call her sorry to our friend Lindsay.
Speaker C:But this girl looks like a Lindsay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Half of the episode I was like, it took me, like, forever to get Neil's name.
Speaker A:So it was just friend zone in half my notes.
Speaker A:And then this is just roommate in half my notes.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:I cheated.
Speaker C:I watched the transcripts for Neil and Matt because I was like, wait, I know Matt's name.
Speaker C:I don't know Neil.
Speaker C:I'm like, what's the transcript saying?
Speaker C:Like, oh, it's Neil.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways.
Speaker A:But, like, why, like, gazing at a picture of her dead roommate and her roommate's dead boyfriend that you were fucking?
Speaker A:Like, it's just bizarre.
Speaker A:Anyways, and of course, surprise, Angela is in the apartment, or in the apartment and attacks her with these fucking ginormous scissors.
Speaker A:Like, where the.
Speaker C:Those are the biggest scissors I have ever seen.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker C:And I have, like, 17 pairs of scissors because I. Crafting.
Speaker A:Yeah, I have a lot of crafting.
Speaker A:A lot of crafting scissors.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I figured you'd be impressed, too.
Speaker C:But I was like, these things are massive.
Speaker A:It doesn't even seem useful at some point because they're so large.
Speaker C:I'm like, what the fuck were you cutting with them?
Speaker C:And why are they sitting on your counter?
Speaker C:Like, conveniently staged.
Speaker C:There.
Speaker C:Side note, I just opened a new beer, and it is the box Slider Toady's Texas Box.
Speaker C:And it has a great picture of.
Speaker C:I think that's an antelope or some sort of animal.
Speaker C:It is a skeleton.
Speaker C:He's got horns.
Speaker C:There is a.
Speaker C:There's a cross and, like, a flower growing by it.
Speaker C:And the things around it look dead.
Speaker C:And this is made by Martin Howells Brewing Company in Fort Worth.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:So Texas bear.
Speaker A:They make some fun.
Speaker C:All right, so massive scissors.
Speaker A:Massive scissors.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They tumble around and try to fight.
Speaker A:And anyways, and so then Angela falls on the scissors, perfectly stabbing herself in the heart with the scissors.
Speaker A:Lindsay rolls her over and you're like, okay, I've seen.
Speaker A:I've seen enough, zombie.
Speaker A:This ain't dead.
Speaker A:So we wait.
Speaker A:You wait for it.
Speaker A:You wait for it.
Speaker A:And her eyes open, duh.
Speaker A:But then she pulls those scissors out of her own chest and is about to stab Lindsay.
Speaker A:That was the part, like, pulling them out where I was like, oh, I knew she'd be alive.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then, of course, Sam and Dean arrive because we know they are on their way and start shooting.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:So, whoop.
Speaker C:Giant scissors don't kill a zombie.
Speaker C:Silver bullets don't kill a zombie.
Speaker C:So how do we kill a zombie?
Speaker A:And we get.
Speaker A:Damn, that dead chick can run.
Speaker C:She is fast.
Speaker C:We've got a.
Speaker C:Was it 28 days later zombie.
Speaker C:Yeah, we got a fast one.
Speaker C:So I always love, like, categorizing my zombies by how fast they run or how slow they run or like.
Speaker B:Yep, she goes.
Speaker B:She's in that category.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so silver.
Speaker A:They said they made an impact.
Speaker A:The silver bullets, like, slowed her down, but didn't, like, do enough.
Speaker A:So they're like, we have to actually kill this Bish.
Speaker A:So they go.
Speaker A:Finally find.
Speaker A:They go.
Speaker A:At this point, they're like, well, fuck, she's gonna go back to Neil.
Speaker A:And Neil needs to know what the hell's going on.
Speaker A:So they go talk to Neil and they basically call him out.
Speaker A:Like, told me he's desperate, he's crazy.
Speaker A:And this is.
Speaker A:We know what you did.
Speaker C:Deal.
Speaker C:We know you fucked a dead girl.
Speaker C:You put your dick inside a corpse.
Speaker A:We know Neil, they don't say that, but basically.
Speaker A:And so finally he admits that she's at his house.
Speaker A:Only at this point, we've all figured.
Speaker C:Out that she's fucking actually says it.
Speaker C:Oh, he says he's at his house.
Speaker C:That he's not admitting anything.
Speaker C:He says she's at his house, but she's not there.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so we see.
Speaker A:And so, like, you can, like, Sam or.
Speaker A:Sorry, Dean figures out to, like, play off that there's, like, this ritual they need to do, which is there kind of is at cemetery.
Speaker A:And so we need to get Neil to go with them to the cemetery and all this.
Speaker A:And basically they figured out that she's actually there listening to them.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think Dean knew this, that she was there listening to them.
Speaker A:And that's why Neil was acting squirrely.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she tries.
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean leave.
Speaker A:Like, look, you just need to get the fuck out of here as soon as you can.
Speaker A:We're gonna be at the cemetery.
Speaker A:See if you can get her there kind of deal.
Speaker C:But he doesn't want to leave his closet.
Speaker C:Dead girl Ganille sucks you.
Speaker A:She's in the closet.
Speaker A:And now she's like, oh, we have.
Speaker C:To go to the cemetery and kill.
Speaker A:Those bastards that want to kill me.
Speaker A:Because he's a fucking crazy zombie on top.
Speaker C:He's like, well, let me go get the car.
Speaker C:I'm gonna pull the car out.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:And he's actually gonna out.
Speaker A:And he's gonna go with Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:You can tell.
Speaker A:He's like, nope, cray, I'm out.
Speaker C:Well, I didn't even know he was in the cemetery.
Speaker C:I think he was just gonna run.
Speaker A:Oh, you think so just get out.
Speaker C:Yeah, because Neil sucks.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, he's.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's a fucking pussy.
Speaker C:Well, pussies take a pounding.
Speaker C:But, yeah, we know we don't like Neil.
Speaker C:So he sucks.
Speaker C:And then Angelo snaps his neck.
Speaker C:Fuck off, Neil.
Speaker A:She does.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:She kills him because she knows that he was gonna leave her and wasn't gonna help her.
Speaker A:So she's.
Speaker C:We got to.
Speaker C:Don't play with dead things.
Speaker C:That was my line there.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So we cut to.
Speaker A:So we're back at the cemetery and they're lighting candles around her grave.
Speaker A:And then I'm very concerned at this point because they gave Sam the gun.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, fuck, he can't shoot.
Speaker A:This is bad.
Speaker C:He did, but.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:I was impressed.
Speaker A:So he was the bait to get to.
Speaker A:For her to get her to come out.
Speaker A:She sneaks up on him and she tries to reason with him about how she's a person, which is actually kind of smart because he would be the one sympathetic to that.
Speaker A:But he shoots her fucking straight on in the forehead.
Speaker A:Like, clean shot.
Speaker C:I was like, sam learned to shoot.
Speaker C:I guess, like, in this time off, like, Sam's been spending some time at the shooting range and what he's been doing.
Speaker C:But, yeah, good for you.
Speaker C:Sam didn't do anything but cool, right?
Speaker A:So anyways, they do like this weird tackle fight thing.
Speaker A:And Dean manages to, like, they get closest to the grave.
Speaker A:And Dean does, like some crazy, like, tackle fight thing and shoots her into her.
Speaker C:Yeah, he shoots her into the coffin and then does, like, some badass, like, sliding work.
Speaker C:He's like, I'm in here.
Speaker A:It's very like, action movie ninja Y.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's very like, poo, I've got a silver stick.
Speaker C:And then he's like.
Speaker C:Puts it up and he's like, stab you.
Speaker A:And he stabs her.
Speaker A:Stabs her into this.
Speaker A:Into her coffin.
Speaker A:Like the stick.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which is, you know, as Sam said, this is likely.
Speaker C:It could have been one of the things that.
Speaker C:Why vampires are stakes if you know histories of vampires.
Speaker C:Well, not history, but, you know, historical vampire lore.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker C:In many of the.
Speaker C:The medieval.
Speaker C:I don't say medieval, but in older times when people still stab vampires.
Speaker C:That was one of the things.
Speaker C:Like the stakes through the heart was actually to nail them to the Ground.
Speaker C:Not just stab them in the chest.
Speaker C:You would nail them to the ground so they couldn't rise up.
Speaker B:Up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So makes sense to me.
Speaker A:Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker A:So they did that, but then she didn't open her eyes again.
Speaker A:So maybe it actually worked.
Speaker A:And then after they refill the grave.
Speaker B:What's dead should stay dead.
Speaker C:That was so overly dramatic.
Speaker C:And later we'll find out why.
Speaker C:But I was like, man, that was an overplayed line.
Speaker C:What's dead should stay dead?
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, fuck Dean.
Speaker B:Okay, well.
Speaker A:And then Sam, as they're leaving the next morning after all this was.
Speaker A:Is filled up, it's like Sam actually compliments Dean on his plan and bitches about the fact that he may have broken his wrist.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think she broke my hand.
Speaker C:And so we'll see how this plays out in the next episode.
Speaker C:But the prepping for something.
Speaker C:So they're like, oh, my hand got broken.
Speaker C:Because my hand got broken the last.
Speaker C:Last episode.
Speaker A:Last episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:And basically, which is also really impressive, this entire episode was shot with Sam having.
Speaker C:With Jared Pawalecki having a broken hand.
Speaker A:That's pretty cool.
Speaker C:So kudos on you, Jared.
Speaker C:Maybe that's why he was so bitchy.
Speaker C:He was like, that shit fucking hurts.
Speaker C:My hand hurts.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But then he asked.
Speaker A:But Sam asked why he had to be the bait.
Speaker A:And Dean basically said they assumed that Sam was more her style because she.
Speaker B:Had crappy taste in guys.
Speaker C:She likes whiny bitches.
Speaker A:I was amused.
Speaker A:Oh, apparently.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we get, like, a very emotional ending here, though Dean does look back to Mom's headstone as they're leaving the cemetery, but he does not go over to it.
Speaker A:And then they start driving away, but they pull.
Speaker A:But Dean pulls over and gets out and sits on the hood.
Speaker A:And this is a pretty.
Speaker A:A pretty weepy scene at the end here.
Speaker C:It's lots of feelings.
Speaker A:It's a lot of feelings.
Speaker A:Dean is crying by the end of this, but he apologizes Sam for how he's been acting and for dad, because he blames himself for Dad's death because even though he can't remember anything, he put pieces together that he recovered magically with no sign of it being injured at all, and then woke up to the cult being gone and dad dying.
Speaker A:So it has to all be tied together.
Speaker A:Sam's like, well, you can't know that for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I think this is one.
Speaker C:Dean has been bottling this up like you do.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So sorry.
Speaker C:Diana just ducked fully out of the screen.
Speaker C:And I was like, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker B:I dropped my pen.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Okay, so.
Speaker C:But it's when you think about it.
Speaker C:So Dean does not remember.
Speaker C:Well, we know what happened, right?
Speaker C:We all saw this.
Speaker C:But in terms of Dean's character, he doesn't know.
Speaker C:All he knows is that he thinks he died.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Because the doctor said you flatlines.
Speaker C:And then he came back to life and then dad died shortly after after whispering something in his head that he still hasn't told Sam.
Speaker C:That's all Dean knows.
Speaker C:But to make that leap between the two is not illogical.
Speaker A:Dean's like, I shouldn't have come back.
Speaker A:Like, I should have stayed dead too.
Speaker A:It's his attitude.
Speaker A:He says that and.
Speaker C:Which makes that dramatic telling of the line a little more sense.
Speaker C:It was still overly dramatic, but it makes a little more sense.
Speaker C:But I also think if you think in terms of just grief in general, if you and a family member were in a car wreck and wanted, like, the survivor's guilt, right?
Speaker C:So we were in this together.
Speaker C:I'm the one who survived.
Speaker C:This is my fault.
Speaker C:And I think survivor's guilt is a horrible thing.
Speaker C:And I think it's interesting it's being acknowledged this way and we're just telling it out through supernatural stories.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I think.
Speaker A:I think that's.
Speaker A:I think that's a really good take on it.
Speaker A:And I think that it's interesting that taking this all in as much as Sam was pushing Dean to really open up about his feelings, I think this is more than Sam expected.
Speaker A:Because Sam doesn't have shit to say.
Speaker A:I don't think.
Speaker A:I don't think it's what Sam expected.
Speaker A:And I think it's a more than he expected.
Speaker A:I think he thought that, like, oh, Dean sad because dad did.
Speaker A:I don't think he really got the layers of what, like, all the complexities of this.
Speaker C:He's like a dirty onion.
Speaker C:He's a dirty onion full of layers.
Speaker A:Onion full of layers.
Speaker A:So I think that's.
Speaker A:I think that that was part of it too.
Speaker A:I think that Dean.
Speaker A:And then I think that's probably going to bother Dean even more that Sam doesn't really have a relationship response.
Speaker C:But it's also, to me, this makes Dean's reaction makes so much more sense because, like, Sam, you don't get it.
Speaker C:Like this whole.
Speaker C:Not you.
Speaker A:This isn't.
Speaker A:I'm going through a natural grief pattern.
Speaker A:There is a lot of elements.
Speaker A:It's not like there's an unnatural or.
Speaker C:Whatever, which is also really Annoying.
Speaker C:If you're grieving and somebody's telling you how you're supposed to be feeling and why.
Speaker C:And they're like, I know why you're feeling like this.
Speaker C:I know why you're doing this.
Speaker C:And you, like, you don't even know what I'm thinking about because it's my personal grief.
Speaker C:And if I don't share it with you, you can't project your own.
Speaker C:Sam's very much projecting his own feelings onto Dean.
Speaker C:And so it's very human.
Speaker C:And I really like it.
Speaker C:That's sad.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker C:So we got the boys on the car.
Speaker C:They're sad and Dean's crying.
Speaker A:Sam doesn't have anything to say.
Speaker A:And then we fucking end.
Speaker C:And then baby doesn't even drive off.
Speaker A:But no, it's weird.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think that's probably symbolic.
Speaker A:I mean, like, I'm not.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe it just worked better.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But it's partially symbolic because they're kind of like.
Speaker A:They're not.
Speaker A:They're not like, all right, off the next hunt.
Speaker A:They're kind of like stuck there for a minute, processing.
Speaker A:So that's kind of.
Speaker C:Yeah, they're not moving forward.
Speaker C:They have to, you know, stop, pause.
Speaker A:For a minute and take it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And now, Sam, it's your turn to be a guilty little dick because you're making your brother feel like shit.
Speaker C:And maybe you should have been making your brother feel like.
Speaker C:Because he was going through some shit.
Speaker C:So let him go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So what do you think of the episode?
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was good.
Speaker A:Wasn't my favorite, but one bad.
Speaker A:It was like, there's some funny lines, but not.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:There weren't as many.
Speaker A:Like, I really was had.
Speaker A:Have been enjoying the increase in like the like, super clever one liners.
Speaker A:And there were some good ones, but I didn't think that it was up to par with some of the last two episodes, probably.
Speaker A:I feel like she could have been a little more zombie, but I guess I'll get that.
Speaker A:He probably wouldn't be her if she was.
Speaker A:I guess, like, I just.
Speaker A:I got first.
Speaker C:I'm like, they're like, this would be way grosser.
Speaker C:Like, her hand.
Speaker A:Our hand falls off on his dick.
Speaker A:But, like, you know, I mean, like, I'm not saying like that.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Like some part of me, I was like.
Speaker A:At first I was almost like.
Speaker A:Like, wait, is she dead?
Speaker A:Like, what was going on?
Speaker A:I was kind of confused.
Speaker C:She was very non zombie, like, until the scissor thing.
Speaker C:Happened and then you finally see the decaying flash.
Speaker C:But yeah, that was a very interesting zombie choice.
Speaker C:But also she was a very.
Speaker A:Yeah, but she was bleeding the out in her wreck when she died.
Speaker A:And like none of those.
Speaker C:There's like.
Speaker A:Like there's like one scratch on her face.
Speaker C:True.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's.
Speaker C:That is interesting.
Speaker C:Maybe just the mortician did a really good job of sewing her up and she's had like a top notch, like the best like undertaker ever.
Speaker C:Probably not the guy who had the business card in the cemetery, but.
Speaker C:Yeah, but the thing is, like, from a metaphor perspective, using this to tell Dean's story, I think is interesting.
Speaker C:As much as I don't love her as a monster of the week, this choice of like, hey, we need to talk about why Dean is like feeling like crap.
Speaker A:So what he process.
Speaker C:Let's push it through this story.
Speaker B:I think that's.
Speaker C:That was a really interesting choice.
Speaker A:I can see that.
Speaker A:I can see that it's a good case.
Speaker A:You make a good case here.
Speaker C:I do.
Speaker C:But also in general.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Not one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker C:I don't hate it.
Speaker C:And now that I know it's Jared Kiso, I'll probably hate it a lot less because I need to go back and watch and watch my mat.
Speaker C:Matt be Jerry.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's also less Canadian.
Speaker C:Like, I know that they use Vancouver actors, but it was like, oh, man, you do a really good job of losing your Canadian accent, Jared.
Speaker B:Good for you.
Speaker C:Oh, and there were two Jared's on this.
Speaker C:Oh, was that confusing?
Speaker C:Maybe they just called him Kiso.
Speaker C:Kiso, move to.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker C:Anything else?
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:Are we good?
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all I got.
Speaker C:All right then.
Speaker C:Let's wrap this bitch up.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers, bitch.
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