2:09 Croatoan
Woo Supernatural Season 2, Episode 9 "Croatoan!" Did germ warfare kill DJ Tanner's mom? What is the contract like on a blood bowl phone? Is there a data cap? Also - learn about the how we STILL don't know what happened to the Lost Colony at Roanoke but at least they gave us racist grapes?
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Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast where we talk season two, episode nine, Croatoan, and we discuss demonic germ warfare.
Speaker B:What really happened to D.J.
Speaker A:Tanner's mom, a blood bowl phone.
Speaker B:And did you know that grapes can be racist?
Speaker B:All right, let's do this,.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker B:Alrighty.
Speaker C:So welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker C:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker C:And on this week, we're going to discuss season two, episode nine, grow a Toe In.
Speaker C:So, Diana, what's going on?
Speaker A:I got back from family vacation, which was six full days with my parents, my sister and brother in law and my niece driving to the beach.
Speaker A:So we spent lovely days on the beach and then we went to New Orleans for a night and then I came home and then it was 4th of July and now I'm back to work.
Speaker A:But the one exciting thing that did happen yesterday, we want to give a shout out to our friend Sarah, who her and her husband Justin had their first baby, Julia Parker, yesterday.
Speaker A:So congratulations to Justin and Sarah.
Speaker B:Congratulations.
Speaker C:Way to put your penis in, Sarah.
Speaker C:Justin, high five.
Speaker B:That was a good job.
Speaker A:Look what you made.
Speaker B:You made it.
Speaker B:You made a thing.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:How about you?
Speaker C:You know, just living the dream.
Speaker C:I started watching all seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race because I've never seen it before.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was like, I found it.
Speaker C:It's on like Paramount plus has it, but I've never real.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, I watched a couple.
Speaker C:Of seasons and now I'm just like, I guess I have to watch the rest of them.
Speaker B:Yeah, obviously.
Speaker B:I mean, basically it's a show where.
Speaker C:People are crafting and putting on makeup.
Speaker C:So I'm like, yeah, I want to watch this and like, find makeup tricks that I, you know, that I can use.
Speaker A:Sensible.
Speaker A:I like it, I like it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's pretty much my exciting advice right now.
Speaker C:It's like I binge watch a couple of seasons of RuPaul and, yeah, and that's about it, really.
Speaker C:There's nothing exciting going on in my life right now.
Speaker A:While I was in New Orleans, I did go to a haunted place.
Speaker C:Oh, that's right.
Speaker C:So, Diana, did you have a seance?
Speaker A:I did not have a seance, but we went to Muriel's in Jackson Square, which was a lovely restaurant, by the way.
Speaker A: ilding hundreds of years ago,: Speaker A:Don't fact check me later.
Speaker A:Anyways, apparently he lost the building in a poker game.
Speaker A:And was so distraught he didn't want to give his building up, so he went upstairs and killed himself.
Speaker A:This is long before it was a restaurant, by the way.
Speaker A:And anyway, so in the building they always have this one table set for two.
Speaker A:So they have a table set for the spirit at all times in the downstairs area.
Speaker A:And then upstairs they have a seance room.
Speaker A:And so it's this fucking bad ass like parlor with like everything's like red and pink fabric and dark and moody.
Speaker A:And then they have the seance room which has a leopard print sofa in it, for the record.
Speaker A:And a really cheesy little like lit up crystal ball.
Speaker A:But it's a really well decorated, really cool room.
Speaker A:But it's their seance room.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm very jealous of that decorating.
Speaker B:I found out today that Jennifer Coolidge.
Speaker C:Has this house in New Orleans that is often haunted.
Speaker C:There was a really good article that she did with, I don't know, it's Vanny there or whatever, some, some magazine my friend sent me today.
Speaker C:And yeah, it sounds like the most amazing house.
Speaker C:And she hangs out in a leopard caftan and you know, there's ghosties that live there.
Speaker C:And I want to go hang out at Jennifer Coolidge's house in New Orleans.
Speaker C:That's kind of cool.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm glad you got a little.
Speaker C:Taste of New Orleans.
Speaker C:Although one night is definitely never enough time to spend there.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And I'm lucky that I've been there, you know, a few times before.
Speaker A:Not, not a ton, but a few.
Speaker A:So I kind of knew my way around another place that I would swear is haunted, but I don't have evidence.
Speaker A:But you never know.
Speaker A:We got to go to Preservation hall, which is an amazing museum.
Speaker B:It's haunted.
Speaker C:Yeah, everything in New Orleans is haunted.
Speaker A:It must be haunted.
Speaker A:I mean that's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Preservation hall haunted.
Speaker B:I'm like, check, check.
Speaker A:But yeah, so we got to go there and you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's just if you're a music lover or history lover at all, it's a, it's a.
Speaker A:Just a fucking radio place to be.
Speaker A:So that was a nice way to round out some, some really cultural, cool, funky stuff to round out a week of laying on the beach doing a lot of nothing.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Sometimes doing a lot of nothing is really, you know what's going to get you going.
Speaker A:So sometimes you need it.
Speaker B:And also it was awesome.
Speaker C:It's New Orleans in June or July, whatever month it is.
Speaker C:And I'm like, one day is probably enough.
Speaker A:So humid.
Speaker A:And it was A holiday Friday for a holiday weekend.
Speaker A:It was so crowded.
Speaker C:Ugh.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, yeah, you know, it was fine anyhow.
Speaker A:It was still fun to see and just experience for the night and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So now I'm drinking a glass of Gadavecchi red wine, which is one of my favorite Italian red wines.
Speaker A:How about you?
Speaker C:Tonight I am drinking a Chateau de Haut Feuille.
Speaker C:That's what I'm deciding.
Speaker C:This is named.
Speaker C:That's how the French call it.
Speaker C:But it's a Bordeaux.
Speaker A:Diana, try not to spit my red wine all over my microphone.
Speaker A:Your French accent got me.
Speaker C:Clearly, that's how the French pronounce that, I'm sure.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker A:That's exactly how they say it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I opened this bottle yesterday, and then I was, like, trying to drink it, and then I just couldn't.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think we're ready to get.
Speaker C:Going on this episode because it was a good one.
Speaker C:We've got a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker C:Sorry.
Speaker C:I'm also taking a picture of the cat who is doing amazingly cute things before.
Speaker C:Like, she does.
Speaker C:So this Week's episode, season two, episode nine.
Speaker C: ,: Speaker C:And that was right before the winter break.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So when we get to the end, we're gonna talk about why that's fucked.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:And this was directed by Robert Singer.
Speaker C:So we have that.
Speaker C:And then it was written by John Siobhan.
Speaker C:So we've got two people who are very well versed in this.
Speaker C:They're starting to bring some things together.
Speaker C:We're seeing that going.
Speaker C:So we're gonna start off this episode where there's.
Speaker C:At least this time they made it very obvious this was not real.
Speaker C:They didn't do the I'm gonna fake you out.
Speaker C:And, like, this is our opening.
Speaker C:And they're like, okay, I guess we've done that gag like 9,000 times.
Speaker C:So we're just gonna make it really obvious.
Speaker C:But also very disturbing.
Speaker A:Yes, it was a very disturbing opening scene.
Speaker A:But I'm watching.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is very dreamlike.
Speaker A:Or like, one of Sam's visions.
Speaker A:Like, that's automatically.
Speaker A:So, you see, it opens with Dean with a gun in a hallway.
Speaker A:It looks like some kind of.
Speaker A:Like a.
Speaker A:Some kind of a medical building is what your guess is.
Speaker A:And he walks in and he checks the magazine and he, like, raps it against the gun, which I'm like, the door.
Speaker A:And I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:But you're not, like, in the sand shaking Like a round loose dude.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:But that was my sorry critique in the middle of there of their gun knowledge.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so he puts the magazine in the pistol, walks in, opens the door, and he's pointing a gun at this guy who's like, crying and saying, it's not in me.
Speaker A:And asking this doctor to help, to say it's not in him.
Speaker A:And people are like, we're all gonna die.
Speaker A:And Dean's just standing there pointing this gun at this guy, this young man.
Speaker A:And you see, like, this really, like, they did a really nice effect of, like, the glimmer of light on the side of his pistol, which is very beautifully engraved, for the record.
Speaker A:And then Dean pulls the trigger.
Speaker A:And then we cut to Sam on the floor of a hotel.
Speaker A:And obviously it was his dream or vision.
Speaker A:And Dean walks in with a six pack of beer and eating beef jerky.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the six pack of beer, but Dean walks in.
Speaker B:Did you notice what it said?
Speaker A:I was trying to read it.
Speaker A:I missed it.
Speaker B:So it said, Ark Lair Tejas.
Speaker B:A R, K, L, A, I, R.
Speaker C:Tejas, Like Texas with a J.
Speaker C:The original spelling.
Speaker B:And it had.
Speaker B:It was a dark ale.
Speaker C:And it had the Texans logo on it.
Speaker C:Like the football team Texans logo on.
Speaker B:It, but probably a little off so.
Speaker C:They wouldn't get sued.
Speaker C:But I couldn't find.
Speaker C:Find a beer that was called that.
Speaker C: And granted, this was: Speaker A:Failed, failed brewery.
Speaker B:And I tried looking for Arkware to.
Speaker C:See if that was the brand or if Tejas was the brand.
Speaker C:There is a distillery down in Corpus, I think that's named Tejas.
Speaker A:Didn't they have a Tejas beer in another episode too?
Speaker A:And we were trying to figure it out.
Speaker A:I swear they did.
Speaker A:Like some diner with the stupid kook, like, clock on the wall.
Speaker A:I think there was a.
Speaker A:Or with the bass on the wall, I think they had a Tejas beer.
Speaker A:Again, I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So either this is something that they.
Speaker C:Just decided to run with for the seat for the first couple of seasons or what?
Speaker C:But I was just like, texas beer, you don't exist.
Speaker C:And I was like, oh, dark ale.
Speaker C:That sounds gross, but I do like, I like a dark beer, but when you put the word ale after it, then I'm like, oh, this is probably gonna be like rogues or something disgusting.
Speaker C:But probably comes in, like, one bottle and it's like 25% proof, and it tastes like cough syrup.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:Okay, so we're back.
Speaker A:I Drink.
Speaker A:I drink garbage beer.
Speaker A:So you can't.
Speaker A:Can't ask my opinion about that.
Speaker C:You do drink garbage beer.
Speaker B:So anyways, they.
Speaker C:We figure out, yeah, it's a vision and he's got some turkey.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, so they cut to them driving and they're going to River Grove, Oregon and.
Speaker C:Which definitely exists, by the way.
Speaker A:Yeah, I didn't think it would, but you know, and then.
Speaker A:And Sam's trying to explain the vision and then Dean just keeps being like.
Speaker A:It gets very defensive, which is kind of an odd reaction to the vision.
Speaker A:But you know, and Dean's just insisting he must have had a good reason if he was going to plug someone.
Speaker A:His words and that.
Speaker A:And that just like, you know.
Speaker A:Well, you know, wouldn't have been an innocent person.
Speaker A:Because I wish wouldn't, you know, that's not what it is.
Speaker A:We kill bad guys and that's it kind of attitude.
Speaker A:And as they're pulling into town, there's also.
Speaker C:Yeah, but Sam's face is not a great.
Speaker B:Dean's like, I wouldn't do this.
Speaker C:And Sam is just like, yeah, you would.
Speaker A:Maybe it would.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And there's some fucking God awful like stock jazz playing when they go into town in this scene.
Speaker A:And I swear that's all it is.
Speaker A:It's some like generic stock jazz music.
Speaker A:Because it was nothing I could locate.
Speaker C:Or it was probably something that didn't.
Speaker B:Have rights on it.
Speaker C:And they could just.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:I was just like, ugh, I'm not even.
Speaker A:I'm like, I don't even want to go in the rabbit hole to see if I could figure out what this is.
Speaker A:It was just bad.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:And so there's a guy outside, a bald African American gentleman cleaning his rifle, sitting outside of this building.
Speaker A:And they're like, you do?
Speaker A:Yeah, why not?
Speaker A:And they like, hey, we're U.S. marshals.
Speaker A:Because that's going to be their cover this time.
Speaker A:And they say their names are Billy Gibbons and Frank Beard, which is a good ZZ Top reference.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So maybe they were like, well, we can't play ZZ Top here.
Speaker C:We can't afford it, so we'll just have to be that name.
Speaker C:Yeah, that sounds good.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure, sure.
Speaker A:And then so they basically tell this guy that they're looking for this young man and kind of describe him with like a scar on his head and all that.
Speaker A:And then like bust.
Speaker A:They're like, don't worry, he's not in trouble.
Speaker A:Because they can tell this guy knows who the kid is.
Speaker A:They're Looking for.
Speaker A:And say kid.
Speaker A:He is an adult, but like a young adult.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But then Dean recognizes a tattoo in the guy's forearms.
Speaker A:Forearms.
Speaker A:Who calls him Sarge or.
Speaker A:And you know, Master Sergeant.
Speaker A:Master Sergeant.
Speaker A:And so throughout the episode they call him Sarge.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So finally they figure out the kid they're looking for.
Speaker A:His name is Dwayne Tanner.
Speaker A:And so they're going to go look for Dwayne Tanner.
Speaker A:On their way back to their car, they see Croatoan carved into a light post.
Speaker A:And then Sam realizes that Dean has not a lot of education in like actual like history and social studies because all he's referencing is Schoolhouse Rock as his.
Speaker B:That is a valid way to get your education.
Speaker B:Like, you know, I learned a lot.
Speaker C:Of things in Schoolhouse Rocks.
Speaker B:I learned that.
Speaker C:I learned that bills just sit on Capitol Hill.
Speaker C:What else did I learn from school?
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker B:Hey there.
Speaker C:That's all I learned.
Speaker A:That was the biggest one that most people remember.
Speaker A:And I definitely played it when I used to teach at the college.
Speaker A:I played that video every semester.
Speaker C:I hope you need the proper copyright for that.
Speaker A:Maybe it was a college class.
Speaker A:I don't have to do that, right?
Speaker B:Fair is.
Speaker B:Fair is.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's for education.
Speaker B:Anyway, so it's on YouTube.
Speaker A:Who cares?
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah, so anyway, so at this point, Sam is basically filling in Dean on the background of Roanoke, which Roanoke was for settlement in the United States and everybody disappeared from it and all that was left was the word Croton carved in a tree.
Speaker A:Short story, right?
Speaker C:That's a quick way to sum it up.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:So they decide like the kind of gives them that lesson.
Speaker C:And then they're like, hey, we should probably go get help.
Speaker C:This is really weird.
Speaker B:And then they're like, let's go call.
Speaker C:Like, Bobby, let's go call Ellen.
Speaker C:And they're like, oh, shit, can't.
Speaker C:All the phones are out.
Speaker A:All the phones are out, including the pay phone.
Speaker A:And then they're look.
Speaker A:But they've.
Speaker A:They've decided that whenever Sam.
Speaker A:Well, Dean has pointed out that whenever Sam has one of these visions, it's always tied to the yellow eyed demon.
Speaker A:Or so anyway, so they're like, well, fuck, they can't call for help.
Speaker A:They're gonna have to figure something else out.
Speaker A:So they just go out, go for it themselves and go try to find Dwayne Tanner.
Speaker A:And Dwayne's brother answers the door.
Speaker A:Jake, who is played by Nolan Funk, who is also seen on Glee, and Mrs.
Speaker A:The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker C:Oh, I Wonder who was in Marvel's Mrs. Maisel.
Speaker C:I forgot.
Speaker B:Was it a big character or a big character?
Speaker A:Small character.
Speaker A:A couple episodes, though.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker A:And so there's a real awkward.
Speaker A:And then dad comes up to the door.
Speaker A:There's a very awkward exchange about, like, where his sons and mom are.
Speaker A:And they're like.
Speaker A:So the brother's like, okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker A:And they pretend to leave.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:And of course they go, like, stalk around the house.
Speaker A:Like, they do.
Speaker B:Like, you said, stalk.
Speaker B:My note says scuttle.
Speaker B:And they scuttles across because they, like, they're bending down.
Speaker B:They're like, you can't see us in the window.
Speaker B:And they're scuttling like little crabs, like, across the road.
Speaker B:We're gonna go to the back and we're gonna see.
Speaker B:And then they'll be like, oh, shit,.
Speaker C:Mom.
Speaker A:Mom's tied up in the kitchen and Dad's carrying a giant knife and brother's being weird as fuck.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, yeah, we're gonna get some unsanitary bloodletting.
Speaker B:This is just like.
Speaker B:This is so gross.
Speaker B:Like, there's just pathogens being thrown everywhere.
Speaker B:They're like, I'm gonna use this knife, which I clearly haven't sterilized.
Speaker B:I'm going to cut you and I'm going to smack you with some blood.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're getting an infection of some kind.
Speaker B:We just know, like, we don't know what infection you're getting, but you're going to get one.
Speaker B:Like, something's going to happen to you now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So of course they bust in because they're not going to sit there, like, in the window and just watch this shit go down.
Speaker A:And dad lunges at them with the knife.
Speaker A:So he gets shot a lot.
Speaker B:A lot.
Speaker C:Repeatedly.
Speaker A:And then the son by Dean, by the way.
Speaker B:So Dean's the one who shoots the dad a lot.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:And then the son, Jake, jumps out of a window, and Sam's, like, following, like, pointing his gun at him.
Speaker A:But Sam lets him get away as he runs into the woods.
Speaker B:My theory is that Sam was like, I'm gonna take my shot.
Speaker B:And then I'm like, oh, I don't know how to shoot a gun.
Speaker B:Like, I always miss, so maybe this time I'll just save my bullets.
Speaker B:And then, like, oh, he just runs away.
Speaker B:That's my theory.
Speaker A:He shot.
Speaker A:He shot the.
Speaker A:He shot the zombie chick real good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, but, I mean, we'll have our good days and our bad days, but, you know, we all know Cam can't shoot for shit, so they're gonna take wifey to the clinic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they drive her to the clinic.
Speaker A:And there is a.
Speaker A:The nurse, Pamela, who, by the way, is also a writer on Letterkenny.
Speaker A:In real life, we got another pitter patter.
Speaker B:Bitter butterflies.
Speaker B:Better.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Sonja Bennett is the actress there.
Speaker A:And then, so we've got.
Speaker A:Dr. Lee is going to take a look at Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker A:Mrs. Tanner plays Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker B:I feel like you're talking about Full House, like, the more you say Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker B:Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker A:Mrs. Tanner's played by Chilton Crane, though, who was in Final Destination 2.
Speaker A:So her character is used to fucked up deaths.
Speaker A:And she was also in Once Upon a Time.
Speaker A:And apparently she plays another character in Supernatural later in the series, too.
Speaker B:She is one of those many, like, oh, I haven't seen you before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So she's gonna get seen by the doctor.
Speaker A:And then Dean just like Dean's out by the car still and unloads Mr. Tanner's body out of the trunk and throws it on his shoulders and carries it into this clinic as well and has to explain that to the doctor that he's carrying Mr. Tanner's dead body.
Speaker A:But I'm a Marshall.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:Nothing to be concerned here.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker B:I put him in a blanket.
Speaker B:Isn't that nice of me and DJ's mom, Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker B:Because now they have a child named DJ and she's just not there.
Speaker B:So Mrs. Tanner also, she's like, I don't know what happened, but they have the devil in them.
Speaker B:And like, oh.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:Well, that's probably.
Speaker B:That's why not good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the doctor's not very much, like, kind of disbeliefing about the whole thing, which I don't blame her.
Speaker A:I mean, you're a doctor and you don't live in this world and you're not watching the show like we are.
Speaker A:We're like, of course it's a fucking demon.
Speaker A:This shit's fucked.
Speaker A:Whereas this doctor's like, yeah, that's not how science works.
Speaker A:This is not.
Speaker B:But also, I'm like, bloodborne pathogen.
Speaker B:Like, this is, as a doctor, plague going.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like we're.
Speaker B:As somebody who we were coming out of plagues.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, that's how things spread.
Speaker B:So basically, Dean starts accusing Sam.
Speaker B:Like, they're gonna have a talk.
Speaker B:And Dean just like, rails on Sam for not shooting the kid and calls.
Speaker C:Him a bleeding heart.
Speaker C:And I'm like, well, maybe you just.
Speaker B:Don't want to shoot a teenager.
Speaker B:Like, I know, like he was trying to blood fuck his mom, but, you know.
Speaker A:Gross.
Speaker A:Very upsetting terminology, Liz.
Speaker B:The whole thing is upsetting.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:He was blood fucking her.
Speaker B:It's what he was doing.
Speaker B:I was like, no, stop.
Speaker B:I'm like, that's my word.
Speaker B:So this is not the last time you hear of blood fucking.
Speaker B:Sorry, guys.
Speaker B:That's gonna come forever.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I mean, Dean caught, like, he's so.
Speaker A:He's really hard on him.
Speaker A:He's very angry with Sam because I think he feels that they could have just.
Speaker A:That would have ended this whole thing.
Speaker A:But they don't really know what's going on yet, so they don't know that it would have ended shit.
Speaker A:Dean, I think, is just concern.
Speaker A:Dean is just kind of like, not in a.
Speaker A:In a figurative way, in addition to a little way.
Speaker A:He's going guns blazing.
Speaker A:And Sam really, like, wants to go in, like, thoughtful and.
Speaker A:And Sam is having.
Speaker A:Obviously, as we've discussed a little bit before, and this episode really highlights having more of an ethical dilemma with ensuring that if they are killing something that it is evil and not that they are killing innocents just in the path to kill evil.
Speaker B:But Dean seemed to have gotten on board with that.
Speaker B:And now I feel like he's reversing.
Speaker B:I was like, are we doing this again?
Speaker B:Like, we just went through this.
Speaker B:You can't just shoot everything.
Speaker B:And now all of a sudden, Dean's like, I'm going to shoot everything.
Speaker B:And I'm just.
Speaker B:And I'm going to be very mean when I do it.
Speaker B:Like, it's very scary.
Speaker B:Like, it's like it's a little aggressive.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, I agree.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker A:And so the doctor.
Speaker A:The doctor tells her that he wants.
Speaker A:That they want to call the sheriff, but all the phones are down.
Speaker A:So Dean's going to go get help in the next town.
Speaker A:While Sam stays behind, defends the clinic from whatever they need to defend it from.
Speaker A:So Dean's driving and he comes upon this.
Speaker A:I have not seen a probe in a long time.
Speaker A:Yeah, and.
Speaker A:And the car has like, gunshots in the windshield.
Speaker A:There's blood everywhere, including in like a.
Speaker C:Baby seat, which is sad.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And he's looking, like, looking over.
Speaker A:There's no bodies and there's his knife on the ground.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the clinic.
Speaker B:So you saw that knife.
Speaker B:Was that the same knife that Jake had?
Speaker B:So I was trying to figure out if that.
Speaker B:Because it looks similar.
Speaker A:I couldn't tell because I thought that dad had the knife and that they got rid of that, but I don't know.
Speaker B:Okay, I was just.
Speaker B:Because it was like, is this tie in or is this like.
Speaker B:I thought maybe they were trying to tie in.
Speaker B:But anyway, so we're going to flashback now, Red.
Speaker B:Dr. Lee.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this is where the doctor is studying the blood of Mr. Tanner and is saying that there's like some kind of like the residue of a virus.
Speaker A:But also it looks kind of like sulfur residue in the blood.
Speaker A:Which now of course, you know, Sam's got alarm bells going.
Speaker A:Well, this is obviously tied to a demon then.
Speaker B:What fucking microscope work did you do at med school, bitch?
Speaker B:Like, that you can figure out sulfur and blood.
Speaker B:Like, I don't think that was any class you took.
Speaker B:Like, I'm pretty sure there was no like, passaging class you took where you were studying.
Speaker B:Like, and I know you're in a small town and there's not like a lab nearby and you're just the lab, I guess.
Speaker B:But I'm like, so you're an expert in like fucking examining blood types and you know what the sulfur compound is, right?
Speaker A:And then like, oh, that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, we just saw.
Speaker A:We totally looked at this sample in my like my, you know, blood pathogens class.
Speaker A:We had blood with sulfur.
Speaker A:It's just a normal thing.
Speaker B:It's just a thing we looked at.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I can tell like, this is what sulfur looks like when it's in blood.
Speaker B:I mean, you should be like, it's kind of yellow and it smells like eggs.
Speaker B:Then I would believe her.
Speaker B:But you know, just like, oh, look, there's just like a yellow.
Speaker B:It's like a yellow ring around the collar on like the cell that sulfur.
Speaker B:There's little devil horns that like poke out of it.
Speaker A:You see a little pitchfork stick out,.
Speaker B:Little tail, little hooves.
Speaker B:Oh, man, that's the cutest little blood thing ever.
Speaker A:Aw.
Speaker B:Little demon blood.
Speaker A:All right, so Dean's driving.
Speaker A:We come back to Dean driving, and there's like, I wrote three cars into hillbillies led by Jake blocking the road.
Speaker A:See?
Speaker B:And I wrote that it was the Bundy militia because they're in Oregon.
Speaker B:And so I'm just like, oh, yeah, this is totally the right wing people.
Speaker A:Right wing.
Speaker B:Bundy's militia.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker C:Hey.
Speaker B:You know when I say he's running.
Speaker A:For office, I think, goody.
Speaker C:Yay.
Speaker B:Okay, so we've got Diana's hillbillies, my, like my pro right wing people, the alt right militia.
Speaker A:That doesn't have anything to do with this.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're just people like, they're Locking down a town.
Speaker A:I don't think the right wingers would do that.
Speaker A:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:Well, they want to shoot everybody, so I mean, I think they're right.
Speaker B:I mean, like, if you thought the body militia didn't want to shoot a bunch of people, you should probably go back and reread that story.
Speaker A:So they just want their land, man.
Speaker A:They just want their land and these.
Speaker B:Guys just want their apocalypse.
Speaker A:So it's cool, right?
Speaker A:So these guys are.
Speaker A:The road's blocked and Dean's like, son of a bitch.
Speaker A:You know, he's thinking, he's like, well, shit, this is not going to go well.
Speaker A:And some dude like pops up at his window and it's like, oh, the road's closed due to a quarantine called by the sheriff.
Speaker A:This guy's just like a doofus, by the way.
Speaker A:Very dupious character.
Speaker A:Like, what the.
Speaker A:Where did this guy come from?
Speaker B:Okay, if you've never been outside of Portland, I think you've been to Portland, right?
Speaker A:But nah, I've never been.
Speaker B:Okay, yeah, I was gonna say, like outside of Portland.
Speaker B:Like Oregon is full of a bunch of redneck hillbillies.
Speaker B:Like they're, They're.
Speaker B:Yeah, they look like that too.
Speaker A:Fizz, I'm sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's supposed to be very lovely state, for the record.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker B:It's beautiful.
Speaker A:I just don't care about craft beer or hippies.
Speaker B:But you know, what is there is Tillamook.
Speaker B:So you can go and they have like all the fresh cheese curds you can eat and they have all the fresh ice cream.
Speaker B:And it is a really good thing.
Speaker B:Like, I highly recommend going to the Tillamook factory thing, whatever it is, because you get fresh cheese curds and it's delicious.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker A:I support cheese and ice cream.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways, Dean's refusing to get out of the car for this guy.
Speaker A:So Dean slams in reverse and is dragging this guy on the side of his car and they start shooting at baby.
Speaker B:Yeah, we don't see any bullet holes.
Speaker A:In her though, so I'm surprised.
Speaker A:It was a lot of shooting at the side of a car, which is a pretty broad, like, area to hit.
Speaker A:So kind of surprising.
Speaker B:But anyway, she's got a lot of space, you know, but.
Speaker B:And doofus is like hanging on as he's driving away.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the clinic and the doctors talk about how this could be some kind of a disease.
Speaker A:So she wants a blood sample from Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker A:And as she's like trying to talk, Mrs. Tanner into getting this blood sample.
Speaker A:Mrs. Tanner snaps and starts attacking the doctor and Sam.
Speaker A:And so he knocks her out with an oxygen tank.
Speaker B:He was there.
Speaker B:At least he didn't shoot her, you know?
Speaker A:So while Dean's trying to drive back to the clinic, Sarge, good old Sarge from earlier in the episode, steps out in the middle of the street with the rifle that he had been cleaning in the middle or at his doorstep earlier.
Speaker A:And they were kind of like this really awkward standoff.
Speaker A:Both trying to be like, are you one of them?
Speaker A:Are you one of them?
Speaker A:Kind of a thing.
Speaker A:And they finally get.
Speaker B:Well, I love.
Speaker B:Like, during the standoff, they're like.
Speaker B:Like, are you.
Speaker B:No, I'm not.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Well, you could be like, of course.
Speaker B:Exactly what somebody who is possessed would say, like, I'm not one of them.
Speaker A:Of course I'm not one of them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they finally get, like, kind of like a loose piece.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're gonna drive with guns pointed at each other.
Speaker A:It's gonna be a very awkward.
Speaker A:It's hilarious.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And we find out that also during that.
Speaker B:That Mr. Rogers tried to attack Merc with the hatchet.
Speaker A:His neighbor.
Speaker A:His neighbor Mr. Rogers attacked him with a hatchet and they had to put him down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've got Full House and we've got Mr. Rogers.
Speaker B:Like, this is a great town to visit.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so now the nurse, Pam, is trying to leave the clinic.
Speaker A:She's freaking out because it's.
Speaker A:She needs to go see her boyfriend or some shit.
Speaker A:Sam explains that it's safer to stay, which actually is good timing because right then, Dean and Sarge arrive.
Speaker A:And so Sam and Dean decided they need to go have a fucking talk because, like, you can't.
Speaker A:Get out of town.
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:And Sam needs to share the info that the doctor found, which.
Speaker A:That it could be a virus.
Speaker A:And so they were.
Speaker A:There's a reference to demonic germ warfare, which I found not hilarious, but hilarious.
Speaker A:And it was hilarious.
Speaker B:It's red blood to blood.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And then that's when Sam also shares that dad had a theory, John had a theory about Roanoke, and that Croton was actually a demon's name.
Speaker A:It was a demon of, like, pestilence and disease.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Pestilence.
Speaker B:I love some pestilence.
Speaker B:And so it's like a demon, a plague and pestilence.
Speaker B:So we're about to go into lore here, but first off, I just want to say that's a fucking bullshit.
Speaker B:Also, like, we.
Speaker B:You've already talked about David you talked about David, like, in season one.
Speaker B:Because we talked about it on the.
Speaker B:On the Spot podcast.
Speaker B:We've talked about Davis Rush.
Speaker B:Chef is very, like, somebody went through a very esoteric, like, book of demon names and pulled this shit out from somewhere.
Speaker B:Like, I had to, like, go through, like, 17 references to get back to it.
Speaker B:But that there's.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's no actual history of demonic warfare.
Speaker B:Sorry, I wish there was.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:There was a lot of history on.
Speaker B:That's Roanoke.
Speaker A:Roanoke, Zoe, is this time for Lore?
Speaker B:It's time for Lore.
Speaker B:So the last colony, Roanoke.
Speaker B:And damn it, why does everything have to be awful and racist?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Which I guess I should have known.
Speaker B:Anything that was like, researching into colonization of America is probably going to end up having some things.
Speaker B:But where it came out, I was not.
Speaker B:I was not prepared for.
Speaker B:But it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker B:And just everybody knows, like, yesterday I'm like, oh, Diana, like, Laura's going to be short, because I have an area I was going to focus on and like anything else in my life.
Speaker B:Then I went down rabbit holes and I went down so many.
Speaker B:And obviously there are a lot of rabbit holes that are attached to this because it's something that people have been talking about and researching forever.
Speaker B:It comes in and out of history, is like something that Americans get really in.
Speaker B:So Diana gave a pretty succinct version of what happened on Roanoke earlier.
Speaker A:Very brief.
Speaker B:I know there are some additional details.
Speaker B:Sorry, guys, we gotta go a little bit of history here to understand, like, where things came from and how this makes sense.
Speaker B:So really before Roanoke happened, you have to remember.
Speaker B:So England was trying to colonize America and also wanted to get started stuff.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That was pretty much colonization usually comes down to we want to take things or we want to move here so.
Speaker C:We can take more things.
Speaker B: 's in his first expedition in: Speaker B:So he goes back to England, like, with this.
Speaker B:Oh, we found this place.
Speaker B:This is great.
Speaker B:We also have two natives with us who can talk to this.
Speaker B:And those were Manteo and Monchese.
Speaker B: up in a little bit so that in: Speaker B:And then they're like, cool, there's stuff there.
Speaker B:Let's go back.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And they also were bringing Manteo and Monchese back.
Speaker B:So I'm saying his name terribly.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Sorry, Monchese.
Speaker B:Don't haunt me.
Speaker B:But whatever.
Speaker B:So they set off with, like, 600 people, but only about 200 people arrived on Roanoke.
Speaker B:And they arrived in Roanoke in five ships.
Speaker B:The other ones either died or decided that instead of colonizing, I'd rather be a pirate.
Speaker B:So there's like, I'm gonna go steal shit.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I don't blame you.
Speaker B:Like, that.
Speaker B:That sounds like fun.
Speaker B:But unfortunately, like, all the tragedies that were going on, one of the things that happened was the ship with the extra food wrecked.
Speaker B:So remember, this is pre.
Speaker B:This is pre colonists, right?
Speaker B:These are just military people that are coming there to explore and to make forts.
Speaker B:So really, they get back.
Speaker B:They get there, and so they think.
Speaker B:During this time, there was, like, salvage efforts, and this officer named Butler was.
Speaker B:Was on the island on roanoke and killed 20 members of an Indian nation that were.
Speaker B:Native American nation.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:That came from an old book who lived 60 miles inland, who were enemies of people in Cape Hatteras.
Speaker B:At this point, one of the Native Americans they brought back with them distanced themselves in the English.
Speaker B:He's like, hey, like, I don't.
Speaker B:Y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:Y' all just killed a bunch of people.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker B:I'm gonna peace out and go back to where I want to go.
Speaker B:So on July 11, four vessels with 50 men, and they brought Monteo, who has not abandoned them yet.
Speaker B:They go further inland, and they visit a first nation called Secaton people.
Speaker B:S E C O T A N Secaton.
Speaker B:So when they got to this place, they're like, oh, my God, the silver chalice is missing.
Speaker B:And they're like, I think these people in this village took it.
Speaker B:So they go back there, and they couldn't find it, so they burned the village down.
Speaker B:And this village belonged to a chief named Wingina.
Speaker B:And I think his name is probably Wingina, but I'm just going to call him Wingina.
Speaker B:Not to be disrespectful, just because it's.
Speaker B:So the Native people basically are like, we're running away from all these crazy fucking English people and their tendency to burn, kill things with fire.
Speaker B:And so basically, they ruined all their fields when they left so the Native Americans could harvest any of their fields.
Speaker B: Remember, this is: Speaker B:So now we've ruined, like, a bunch of food for the natives.
Speaker B:Later in July, the soldiers like, hey, can we stay on for the winter on Roanoke?
Speaker B:And they're like, well, I guess you can, but you can't ask us for any food or help.
Speaker B:Like, you guys just keep fucking up our food.
Speaker B:We're not going to help you.
Speaker B:You can stay here, though.
Speaker B:So the fifth.
Speaker B:So basically, this expedition had depleted all the native supplies.
Speaker B:And the village they burned down just didn't help.
Speaker B:So the men built a fort.
Speaker B:And honestly, in my notes, I said the men built a fork.
Speaker B:And I really wish that was true, but.
Speaker B:So the men built a fort, and most of them went back to England.
Speaker B:They left 107 men and their commander, Ralph Lane, with no supplies and no food.
Speaker B:Food and no promise to the end of promise that they're not going to ask her any help.
Speaker B:And then in February, in the next year, an epidemic comes through and just kills out a bunch of native people.
Speaker B:Then in the spring, the soldiers are like, I'm going to go look for some gold.
Speaker B:And so they go to a local village, they kidnap a child, and then they're like, well, if you're not going to help us, we're just going to kill you.
Speaker B:So this is setting up some really bad political relations between the natives and the people from England who are coming over.
Speaker B:At this time, Sir Francis Drake was privateering in the Caribbean and he was visiting, quote, unquote, visiting several places.
Speaker B:So he attacked and destroyed the Spanish stronghold of St. Augustine, which I didn't know he did that.
Speaker B:So he basically, like, wrecked part of Florida, right?
Speaker B:And then he's like, I'm gonna stop at Roanoke on my way back.
Speaker B:And he's like, there's a hurricane that's there.
Speaker B:Cause there's a lot of hurricanes and involved in the story.
Speaker B:So some of his men mutinied because they're like, ah, this is crazy.
Speaker B:We want to go back to England.
Speaker B:And so Jake was like, okay, I guess we can go back, but we'll leave some of the smaller boats and like.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:Like, all of us should go back.
Speaker B:So basically on June 19, they basically destroyed this area.
Speaker B:They left the natives with disease, war, famine, and they took Manateo back them again.
Speaker B:So maintain.
Speaker B:It was like, I'm going back to England.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:Like, they must have been giving him some good shit.
Speaker B:I don't know why this guy keeps.
Speaker C:Going back and forth.
Speaker B:But they brought another native with them.
Speaker B:And his name was Tow I to to W A I E to yay to I Tao I probably wasn't his name.
Speaker B:They probably just made that up.
Speaker B:Anyhow, it wasn't matter.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:But just after, like, Drake's been like, takes everybody who was Left on Roanoke with him and goes back to England.
Speaker B:There was supply ship that was coming, and they showed up and they're like, where is everybody?
Speaker B:Where is everybody?
Speaker B:And they're like, well, I guess, like, we should stay, but both of us maybe should leave.
Speaker B:So they left 15 men there to hold the fort.
Speaker B:Hold the fort Dance.
Speaker B:I don't know if that's the first time this phrase came out, but these men became known as a Grenville.
Speaker B:15.
Speaker B:So no one ever heard of them again.
Speaker B:So really, those are the first, like, lost colonists, but they weren't really colonists.
Speaker B:I guess they're lost pirates, lost whatever.
Speaker A:Lost, supplied, Lost delivery men.
Speaker B:Lost delivery men.
Speaker B:I'm still waiting on my Uber eats, man.
Speaker B:Where are you at?
Speaker B:So back at this time.
Speaker B: So now where it's: Speaker B:Raleigh.
Speaker B:And so he's like, oh, hey, we're going to.
Speaker B:We're going to go to Virginia.
Speaker B:We're going to bring some settlers with us.
Speaker B:If you come with us, we'll give you 500 acres of land.
Speaker B:I remember at this time in England, the only way you could get land was through inheritance.
Speaker B:So if you weren't the son of somebody, and not even a daughter, if you were the son of somebody who had land, you were going to have shade.
Speaker B:So they're like, oh, yeah, this.
Speaker B:This sounds good.
Speaker B:Yeah, but we'll go there.
Speaker B:You told me this is.
Speaker B:This place is really nice, right?
Speaker B:It's full of, like, trees and shit.
Speaker B:Sounds really pretty.
Speaker A:It's gorgeous beachfront, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You want to go to a beach?
Speaker B:Like, they're like, yeah, there's going to be some tiki drinks.
Speaker B:It's going to be good.
Speaker B:Like, we're going to have the best time.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:They arrive three months later in July 27.
Speaker B:And they first.
Speaker B:First arrived on Hatterask island, aka Croatoan.
Speaker B:And they left Manatee Manteo there.
Speaker B:And they're like, hey, what about, like, those.
Speaker B:Those 15 guys that were.
Speaker B:That were left here?
Speaker B:Like, we don't know what happen?
Speaker B:And they're like, well, you know the village that you guys burned down?
Speaker B:Well, they found those guys, they came back and they killed.
Speaker B:So they killed a couple of them.
Speaker B:And the rest apparently fled back to England.
Speaker B:But, you know, they probably fled back.
Speaker C:In a small boat.
Speaker A:Probably didn't make it.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a long boat ride.
Speaker A:Very long boat ride.
Speaker B:No one knows.
Speaker B:No one knows what happened to Them.
Speaker B:So now, like, they're, okay, we're going to go forth and we're going to colonize.
Speaker B:So they're leaving Croatoan and.
Speaker B:But they were actually trying to go to Chesapeake Bay.
Speaker B:They weren't trying to go to Roanok, so they were trying to go north.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh, we're going to stop at Roanoke on the way.
Speaker B:And they're like, maybe to see the fort.
Speaker B:They're just like, I don't know why, but they're like, we're going to stop here.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh, this is all abandoned.
Speaker B:Like, so the fort was still there.
Speaker B:There just wasn't anybody in it.
Speaker B:So right after they land, like, probably like a week fucking later, one of the colonists, George Howe, was crabbing, and he was killed by some of Wingina's men.
Speaker B:They're like, oh, so sorry, I can't stop saying vagina.
Speaker B:That's how it's spelled.
Speaker B:So the next day, for the record,.
Speaker A:In my head, I was like, what?
Speaker A:He was crabbing.
Speaker A:So he's bitching about something, and I'm like, oh, no, he was.
Speaker A:He was actually, like, fishing for crabs.
Speaker B:He was actually trying to get crabs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is also funny in its own way.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:Sorry, Diana's over.
Speaker B:You're trying to get crabs.
Speaker B:And when Gina attacks you, you know, like, that's what happens.
Speaker B:That's how you get crabs, is from when Gina attacks.
Speaker B:When gina attacks.
Speaker B:So 24 of the colonists, including John White, basically, they go to a village of.
Speaker B:Holy shit.
Speaker B:This is the longest village name Das Monacai.
Speaker B:Don't know.
Speaker B:They go to one giant village, basically cross to them.
Speaker B:They're like, we're going to seek revenge.
Speaker B:And they're like, we're gonna raid.
Speaker B:And they actually, unfortunately, killed one of the natives that were friendly to him.
Speaker B:Not when Jinnahs men.
Speaker B:So they're just like, you're brown.
Speaker B:And then, oops.
Speaker C:Wait, you were.
Speaker B:You were nice to us.
Speaker B:Oh, fuck.
Speaker A:You're a friend.
Speaker A:You're a friend.
Speaker B:Okay, so that was August 8th.
Speaker B:So 10 days later, Virginia Dare, the daughter of Eleanor Dare, whose father was John White, became the first English porcelain person to be born on the land that would one day become the U.S. it's going to become very important for later.
Speaker B:So, guys, remember Virginia Dare?
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So the colonists are like, okay, we need to go to Chesapeake Bay, because that's where food is going and, you know, the supply ships should be going there.
Speaker B:And one of the ship's captains is like, no, so there was this guy named Simon Fernandez.
Speaker B:I do not know why I could not just say Fernandez, but.
Speaker B:All right, so Simon Fernandez, who is this Portuguese sailor?
Speaker B:There's a bunch of controversy that goes back and forth that he was, like, a really good friend of Sir Walter Riley's.
Speaker B:But there's a bunch of things that are like, he was trying to sabotage the whole mission, like doing this for Spain and other things.
Speaker B:I think a lot of that's political bullshit.
Speaker B:But in the theory, though, like, he was like, no, I can't take you to Chesapeake.
Speaker B:I'm going back to England.
Speaker B:I can't take any of you with me, though.
Speaker B:I can take one person with me.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, I guess John White can go back.
Speaker B:And they're like, he's the governor.
Speaker B:And John White's like, no, I should stay with you.
Speaker B:And they're like, no, you should be the one that goes like.
Speaker B:So he gets back on the ship, and Fernandez puts him on the slowest boat, which arrived weeks after the fleet got there and didn't arrive in England, but they took him to Ireland.
Speaker B:So he goes to Ireland.
Speaker B:In March, Queen Elizabeth did approve Raleigh's request to send another ship to Roanoke.
Speaker B:Ironically, the only ship they could find was a pirate ship named the Hopewell, and that was leaving for the Caribbean under the guidance of a notorious pilot and eventually the Lord Mayor of London, John Watts.
Speaker B:So the pirates agreed to love John White.
Speaker B:You can come.
Speaker B:You can only bring one chest, and we got to go privateer first.
Speaker B:So we have to go steal some shit, and then we'll take you up there.
Speaker B:So finally, on August 17th, they get to the Outer Banks.
Speaker B:It's very rough seas.
Speaker B:They decided to try to go to Roanoke Island.
Speaker B:Two boats, small boats, leave the ship.
Speaker B:The first one was going to look for water.
Speaker B:That boat came back.
Speaker B:The second boat just waited too long.
Speaker B:And the seas are.
Speaker B:The seas were really bad, and the boat was swamped.
Speaker B:And out of the 15 men in that boat, only four survived.
Speaker B:So the next, they wait a day, probably smart.
Speaker B:And so they're like, all right, let's go to the fort.
Speaker B:So they go to the fort where the village and the village was removed.
Speaker B:So unlike the first time, they got to the island and the fort was abandoned.
Speaker B:And this time, like, it's just disassembled.
Speaker B:So somebody took down the fort and moved it.
Speaker B:On one tree, White found the letters Crow Sierra carved.
Speaker B:And further on, on the right to the entrance of the fort, there was a word, Croatoan, carved.
Speaker B:So Crow and Croatoan are the two things.
Speaker B:So you'll see kind of both in pictures.
Speaker B:So White was like, I guess before he left, he had told the colonists, hey, if you're going to leave, carve a location where you're going so I can find it.
Speaker B:He also said they were discussing moving 50 miles into the main, but he never told anybody, and the colonists never told anybody where that location was.
Speaker B:So 50 miles into the main, that's a phrase that kind of goes back and forth on what it really meant.
Speaker B:The most agreed upon understanding of it is you're going 50 miles into the mainland.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:White also had made a pact with them that if they were distressed or in danger when they left, they were going to carve a cross for me.
Speaker B:I like a cross for me.
Speaker B:F O R M E E, but it's not a cross for me.
Speaker B:So they said, it looks like a Maltese cross.
Speaker B:And that was.
Speaker B:If they were, like, in trouble, they're supposed to put that above the word word.
Speaker B:And there was no crossbow.
Speaker B:So, like, well, they just left.
Speaker B:They weren't in distress, because if they were in distress, this would have been there, right?
Speaker B:So by this time, like, because it's North Carolina, other weather started fucking with them again.
Speaker B:And so they're like, well, we can go in and looking, but I'm afraid our anchors and stuff, they're not going to hold.
Speaker B:And three or three or four of their anchors have broken, like, overnight, nearly wrecking the ships on the.
Speaker B:On the shore.
Speaker B:So there the men were just like, we're not going back.
Speaker B:Like, we gotta go.
Speaker C:We're leaving.
Speaker C:We're peace now.
Speaker B:So White was like, well, hey, guys, you know what we could do?
Speaker B:Like, you're pirates.
Speaker B:You like money.
Speaker B:Let's go to the West Indies so we can go to the West Indies so it's Caribbean and go there and we can, like, go steal shit, and then we can go back in a couple of months and we can go find them.
Speaker B:And they're like, well, yeah, we're pirates.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, princess.
Speaker C:Privateers.
Speaker B:We like the sound of that.
Speaker B:Let's do that.
Speaker B:But then there was a hurricane that was like, nope, and just blew the boat right across England.
Speaker B:It's like, no matter where you try and go, like, no, you're not going down there.
Speaker B:You just.
Speaker C:You just go now.
Speaker B:So basically, that's the last time John White ever comes back.
Speaker B:I feel like a few years later, he wrote a letter and he was, like, documenting what he said.
Speaker B:And he said, like this, committing the relief of my Discomfortable company, the planters in Virginia, to the merciful help of the Almighty, who I most humbly beseeched to help and comfort them according to his most holy will and their good desire.
Speaker B:It's basically, I'm not going back.
Speaker B:It's up to God what happens to them, right?
Speaker B: So by: Speaker B:However, most people think really they were just going back to get shit because, like, the, you know, ramen air, they were making sassafras and like, there was sweet grass and other things they were trading with.
Speaker B:So they really think people are like, we're going to go look for.
Speaker B:For these people that really just want to go here and get some shit and I'm going to go back to the west cities and sell it or go to England and sell it.
Speaker B:So no one was like, people were looking, but kind of in that way, like, yeah, I'm going to go look for your lost dog, you know, but I'm doing that from my house, looking at front door on Facebook, you know, like, that's how, you know, what.
Speaker B:What the fuck happened to these people, right?
Speaker B:The main.
Speaker B:The main mystery that has been going on forever and there's a bunch of theories, obviously.
Speaker B:One, they were murdered because, you know, they had really pissed off a bunch of people over there.
Speaker B:So that was one.
Speaker B:One was that they were observed, absorbed into the local native populations or captured as slaves, either for them or for somebody else, like Spain.
Speaker B:Going through there as a, oh, look, we found some people, they can come work for us.
Speaker B:One theory is they were the victims of cannibals, or either they were the victims of cannibals or they became cannibals because they got really hungry and had to eat each other.
Speaker B:One theory is they could have encountered a New World disease that they couldn't fight, or that the Croatoans thought they were witches and so they executed them, or that another witch, like, got to them.
Speaker B:So there was a witch in North Carolina who ate them.
Speaker B:That's one of my favorite.
Speaker B:Another of my favorite is zombies.
Speaker B:So according.
Speaker B:And this kind of ties into this episode, according to this one, the settlers were infected with a zombie virus that gave them an insatiable hunger for human flesh.
Speaker B:And so the remains would have been long gone before white got there, because when they were found in graves or skeletons, they were just gone.
Speaker B:So zombies.
Speaker B:Zombies is a really good theory.
Speaker B:Or the other two main ones were they moved about 50 miles inland.
Speaker B:So that becomes moving to the main.
Speaker B:Right and there is, has been archaeological research into an area called Site X, which coincides with some things they found in different maps and other stuff.
Speaker B:But it's kind of boring then, you know, people go there, they've dug up their stations, Site X.
Speaker B:The other theory is that they went to Croatoa, which is also called Site Y.
Speaker B:So did they just go to Croatoa, AKA Hatteras island, the modern Hatteras?
Speaker B:So there is.
Speaker B:The founder of Croatoan Archaeological Society is Scott Dawson.
Speaker B:And you, if you're reading into this, if you're watching anything on the History Channel or a travel channel or anything, fucking Scott Dawson is there.
Speaker B:So I'm actually kind of annoyed with.
Speaker B:I'm just like, I just got tired of seeing him.
Speaker B:So Scott Dawson basically forms a Croatoan Archeological Society.
Speaker B:And they spend a lot of time on Hatteras working with archaeological groups from England.
Speaker B:Because the American people are investigating this.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So they dig up a bunch of, of stuff and they're like, oh yeah, we found all these things.
Speaker B:They found like a rapier and then also like a signet ring.
Speaker B:Like, this is proof.
Speaker B:It's proof they settled here.
Speaker B:Like, well, no, it's proof that people traded with some white people that, you know, like there really is not.
Speaker B:There's no definitive proof.
Speaker B:One of his theories though was that, you know, that they basically became mixed race and that the, the natives who were settled on Croatoa, their features became progressively lighter and many of them had gray eyes, basically through intermarriage and assimilation.
Speaker B: wn North Carolina in the late: Speaker B:And he said that, you know, he saw light skinned, light hair, gray eyed people who claimed to descend from white people.
Speaker B:And this is about five generations after the disappearance.
Speaker B:There's also the oral history of the natives in this area that did include stories of Raleigh's ship and also other.
Speaker B:A ghost ship that appears there looking for the colonists.
Speaker B:There's a ghost ship that just like sails up and down there.
Speaker B:They're looking for them, which I really want to go see that.
Speaker B:He also told them like, oh yeah, these natives are wearing English dress.
Speaker B:He gave me, they gave us chickens.
Speaker B:Those aren't native to America.
Speaker B:Where the fuck did they get chickens from?
Speaker B:And then he also had a native guy named Eno Will and he was like, oh yeah, like talking books and speaking papers and like some of our ancestors were white.
Speaker B:So that was one of the main series but also, Diana, have you heard of the Dare stones?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B: Okay, so in: Speaker B:And he was like, I was just up on the Choan river, which is about four miles outside of Edenton, North Carolina, which, oddly enough is eight miles from what is now site X, right?
Speaker B:He was like, I watched this in the river, and there's words on it.
Speaker B:It was a pretty big stone.
Speaker B:It was like 21 pounds.
Speaker B:It was like a.
Speaker B:And a little less than a foot wide.
Speaker B:So this gets taken to Emory University in Atlanta.
Speaker B:So he goes to Atlanta with the stone that he found in North Carolina.
Speaker B:So he takes it there and eventually gets everybody excited.
Speaker B:They decipher it, and on one side of the stone, they are the words and ennais dare, who was Eleanor's husband.
Speaker B:And he stair in Virginia.
Speaker B:So Virginia dare runs like the child went hints unto heaven.
Speaker B:1591.
Speaker B:Any Englishman shoe jump, whatever.
Speaker B:On the other side of it was basically a note that said, soon after you go for England, we came here.
Speaker B:We have had only in Missouri war two years.
Speaker B:About half dead before, two years more from sickness being four.
Speaker B:And 20 savages arrived with a message for us from a ship a short time later.
Speaker B:They were afraid of revenge and all ran away.
Speaker B:We believe it was not your ship.
Speaker B:Soon afterwards, the savages claimed that the spirits were angry.
Speaker B:Suddenly they murdered all but seven.
Speaker B:My child, Virginia and Nais were slain with much misery.
Speaker B:We buried all near four miles east of this river upon a small hill.
Speaker B:All their names are written on a rock.
Speaker B:Put this there also.
Speaker B:If the savages show this unto you and lead you to us, I have promised them that you give them many presents.
Speaker B:Ewd.
Speaker B:Which is Eleanor's initial.
Speaker B:So Eleanor White dare.
Speaker B:So a couple things to note.
Speaker B:When this stone gets taken to Emory, there is another version of Lost colony fever.
Speaker B:So everyone's kind of obsessed with this at this time.
Speaker B:This is right after World War I.
Speaker B:The Depression is just ending.
Speaker B:Roosevelt has commissioned a commemorative stamp for Virginia Dare's 350th birthday.
Speaker B:He even went to a performance of the Lost Colony in Roanoke on that day, which still exists, by the way.
Speaker B:If you go to Roanoke, you can see this play that's been playing there.
Speaker C:For, like, 100 years now.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But the Emory professors are, like, looking at this, and, like, all this story is like, this is awesome.
Speaker B:The university are like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, let's, let's.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker B:Let's find out this dude.
Speaker B:So they hired Pinkerton's I love a Pinkerton story.
Speaker B:So the Pinkertons couldn't find this guy.
Speaker B:So the one who, like, left because he had given the stone and he left, and they couldn't find him.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But one of the history professors there, Dr. Heywood Jefferson Pierce Jr. His father was a president of Brenau College.
Speaker B:And they purchased the stone and they moved it there.
Speaker B:And so they wounded up paying, like, they ended up paying, like, $1,000 for it.
Speaker B:So they're like, oh, because it said, like, there's something that's.
Speaker B:All these dead colonists, they're on another rock.
Speaker B:We'll pay $1,000 for anyone who can find the second stone.
Speaker B:So, oddly enough, a bunch of these stones start showing up.
Speaker B:They ended up finding, like, they ended up having, like, 47 different stones that come up with, like, messages and all, like, different things.
Speaker A:No, people aren't skeezy.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, they're.
Speaker B:They're totally legit.
Speaker B:It's not like these poor people, they're just like, you know, I get this cars and shit and the stone, and this guy's gonna pay me.
Speaker B:Like, they were literally just like, paying out this money, like, right and left to everybody who gives us stones.
Speaker B:So the stones are still at.
Speaker C:For now.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But oddly, like the original one, they can never actually, like, prove whether or not it was real or not.
Speaker B:Like, they've done like a ton of tests on it.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like, oh, we have modern science now.
Speaker B:Modern science can figure this out.
Speaker B:And everyone's like, no, can't figure it out.
Speaker B:Like, it could be real, it could be fake.
Speaker B:Nobody can prove, prove or disprove it.
Speaker B:One of my favorite stories about this, though, is that university has a ghost.
Speaker B:Her name is Agnes.
Speaker B:She's got some really fun stories about her.
Speaker B:But one of the historians at Brenau were like, oh, no, she didn't show up until the rock Scott here, which I think is really funny.
Speaker B:But then, I know, Diana, you're also talking like, liz, what about the racism?
Speaker B:You said there's going to be racism.
Speaker B:And I was like, I can't, I can't.
Speaker B:You know, I have to tell you that.
Speaker A:So, I mean, I felt like that we covered that a little bit with the, oh, no, you're brown.
Speaker A:You're Brown.
Speaker A:I killed you because you happen to be Brown.
Speaker A:Like, I thought, oh, no.
Speaker B:Oh, no, we're getting to white supremacy.
Speaker B:Shit.
Speaker B:We're getting, like, wavy and giant.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Okay, so there's a quote from Brett Lane, who is a member of the first Colony foundation board.
Speaker B:And he said, the Roanoke voyages have nothing to do with Virginia Dare and the poor lost white people, the lost cause of the 16th century and all that Southern Gothic shit.
Speaker B:The real story is geopolitics, colonization, the advancement of science, and the development of investment.
Speaker B:I want to talk a little bit about Virginia Dare because this was the rabbit hole that I went down that I was like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Oh, this is good.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So pretty much Virginia Dare became and still is like a mascot for Anglo Saxon dominance.
Speaker B:So basically, it's a story of, like, she was this precious white girl, and she was surrounded by all these dark savages, and they tortured her.
Speaker B: into the background until the: Speaker B:And in that poem, an even shaman turns her into a deer.
Speaker B:She's killed by the wicked native Monchesi, remember one of the original natives.
Speaker B:And she dies in the arms of a noble brave at a sacred spring.
Speaker B:And her corpse dries up and produces scuppernong grapes, which gets turned into juice.
Speaker B:So we have this whole, like, Christ vigor thing.
Speaker B:You know, she dies, she becomes back.
Speaker B:She makes water into wine.
Speaker B:So ironically enough, there also was a Virginia Dare wine that started to be produced right about this time.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:The wines were sweet, and they had an oddly pungent aroma that nobody wanted to drink, but they were desperate because they didn't have a lot of things.
Speaker B:And they had a pret.
Speaker B:Picture Pretty girl in the picture.
Speaker B:And they became really popular until Prohibition.
Speaker B:And that brand actually was sold several times.
Speaker B: t was eventually abandoned in: Speaker B:Each of them had a colonial era story behind it.
Speaker B:And then eventually Coppola was like, oh, these wines are actually made in Geyserville, not off of this shitty HD ass wines.
Speaker B:But he renamed the place Virginia Dare Winery.
Speaker B:And there's, like, no connective tissue to North Carolina, Virginia, or the farmers.
Speaker B:Yeah, but so in addition to the wine, there was also Virginia Dare Tobacco, which basically featured a blonde with her titties hanging out next to a lake surrounded by swans.
Speaker B:So, like, you can get Virginia Dare wine, Virginia Dare Tobacco all of my favorite things.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, I do listen wines everywhere.
Speaker B:But basically like up until this point, it's about to get real bad.
Speaker B:But like I said, there was this idea of this poor girl who was, you know, killed by savages.
Speaker B:You know, she was the first.
Speaker B:First American.
Speaker B:First American.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So after World War I, amongst the push for women's suffrage, there is a broadside that based on newspaper article type thing like.
Speaker B:Like their broadsides are more like just kind of like sheets that you printed out or you wrote out and you hand it around to like but basic pamphlet.
Speaker B:I guess the pamphlet's probably the easy word for it.
Speaker B:So the title of this ward, your country's danger from feminism, Women's suffrage and socialism.
Speaker B:We plead in the name of Virginia Dare that North Carolina remained white.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Ironically, the women didn't.
Speaker B:You know, we got the right to vote.
Speaker B:But to the day that you suffrage.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So that did happen.
Speaker B:So also at this point though, you could buy like there's like I said, things are just running well.
Speaker B:You can get Virginia Dare dresses, which was cricket, china, whatever.
Speaker B:So basically it was a silk dress with a scarf collar and rows of like buttons.
Speaker B: So if you see like the: Speaker B:The boat neck and then have the buttons on the side.
Speaker B:That was a Virginia Dare dress and became very popular.
Speaker B: like it was like, oh, that's: Speaker B:Like that probably ended.
Speaker B:But no, the alt right piece of trash.
Speaker B:Pete Brimelow has a website named V Dare which uses a white doe as its logo and urges tight restrictions.
Speaker B:Restrictions on immigration from non European countries.
Speaker B:So really right.
Speaker B:Supremacist.
Speaker B:So somehow this is still happening today.
Speaker B:Like her name is still being attacked.
Speaker B:It's just insane.
Speaker A:So weird.
Speaker A:People are weird, man.
Speaker B:People are weird and what they.
Speaker B:What they latch on to is it.
Speaker A:But I mean I'm like.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker A:And I won't lie, like part of me is like she had like she'd been, you know, dead for 100 hundreds of years and people are making wine, tobacco, clothes off of this.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, capitalism, but not.
Speaker A:Save the.
Speaker A:Hold the racism, please hold that part.
Speaker B:Yeah, can we have like, can we, can we get the wine without the racism?
Speaker B:That's what I would really say.
Speaker A:It was sweet.
Speaker A:It's probably terrible actually.
Speaker B:I don't want that wine.
Speaker B:I really don't want to drink that wine, it sounds awful.
Speaker B:It sounds like really disgusting.
Speaker B:One of the other things to you that the scuppenong Greeks, they actually have like a white skin and a white inside.
Speaker C:So they're like, yeah, you know, so.
Speaker B:Anyways, yeah, they're racist grapes.
Speaker B:So we're just not going to drink this.
Speaker B:We're just not going to drink those grapes.
Speaker A:Racist grapes.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:You didn't know it was a thing.
Speaker B:But now we know they're racist grapes.
Speaker B:So I'm in this on some non white supremacist things just because I couldn't go out in that, because.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:There are lots of other fun legends that came out of this.
Speaker B:So one of my favorites, I told Diana earlier that Edgar Allan Poe was going to come up tonight.
Speaker B: So when he died in: Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker B:Back to Baltimore.
Speaker B:And there's a legend.
Speaker A:I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:There is a legend that I probably woken up badly and incoherent and gutter in Baltimore, so.
Speaker B:But allegedly on Poe's deathbed, he whispered the word Croatoan.
Speaker B:The infamous stagecoach.
Speaker B:Infamous.
Speaker B:There's a stagecoach robber named Black Bart.
Speaker B: l right before his release in: Speaker B:And he was never seen again.
Speaker B:There is a horror author, Ambrose Bierce.
Speaker B: e vanished while in Mexico in: Speaker B:And the bed he last slept in allegedly had Kralto.
Speaker B: ghost ship Carol a Deering in: Speaker B:So that's there.
Speaker A:That's creepy.
Speaker B:That's creepy.
Speaker B:And there's also a legend that Amelia Earhart reportedly scribbled the world word in her journal right before she disappeared.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And then, of course, you know, beyond, like Virginia Dare becoming a part of white supremacist culture, we still have other things to go through.
Speaker B:There is a.
Speaker B:There was a thrash metal band.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:I found a thrash.
Speaker B:I found a metal band.
Speaker B:There's a thrash metal band named Kurwa Towen from Virginia.
Speaker B:They were acting.
Speaker B:Go ahead.
Speaker A:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker B:We'll get to that.
Speaker B: So they were active: Speaker B:Actually kind of like some of their stuff.
Speaker B: med Croatoan that came out in: Speaker B:I listened to it.
Speaker B:I have no idea what they're saying.
Speaker B:Maybe there's a secret in there about what happened to it.
Speaker A:Is it Cookie Monster voice?
Speaker B:It's Cookie Monster from last night.
Speaker A:They could have been like, Cookie Monster.
Speaker B:They could have told Cookie.
Speaker A:It's hard enough for me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They're like, we love Crow.
Speaker B:We love Crow and move to CRO tone.
Speaker B:We get there.
Speaker B:Like, maybe the whole story is in there.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:According to their band, they were based off of its origin or that clear definition.
Speaker B:The word Croatoan embodies an unsettling feeling of helplessness.
Speaker B:To me, this song is a vehicle for that feeling and relates it back to disassociation and being lost in strange dimensions and dreams.
Speaker B:Because you're metal and that's what you think.
Speaker B:Yeah, get the weed.
Speaker B:We're the math of your thrash metal band.
Speaker B:They're pretty fast.
Speaker B:You can't do that, Sam.
Speaker A:A lot of those guys are smoking a lot of weed.
Speaker A:It seems like, though.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:So Crow towing.
Speaker B:They are so good at the thrash metal, man.
Speaker B:If you look at.
Speaker B:I think in it was them, not Sal.
Speaker B:So Crow and Toto on the album of one of their covers.
Speaker B:This is like a.
Speaker B:It's a skeleton that kind of looks like Crucified.
Speaker B:Crucified.
Speaker B:Crucified skeleton.
Speaker B:But in the middle of.
Speaker B:It's a fucking pot leaf.
Speaker B:So, yeah, smoking a lot of weed.
Speaker B:But I think Diana wanted to bring up the other way that Croatoan has come through.
Speaker A:So apparently there's also a rapper who calls himself Croatoan.
Speaker A:And so Liz shared the video with me today, and it.
Speaker A:It's pretty effing amazing.
Speaker A:He's on a.
Speaker A:Not the newest Corvette in this video, is only a couple of years old and has a.
Speaker A:A.
Speaker A:A phenomenal song on YouTube.
Speaker A:You can find.
Speaker A:His rap name is Crow Tilly.
Speaker B:He has many songs on YouTube.
Speaker B:Actually, they haven't gotten a lot of views.
Speaker B:There is one of the ones that got the most views was from this guy who's like the history according to Mr. Betts.
Speaker B:And he record like, he made a song about Roanoke to the tune of Let It Go from Frozen.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:It's actually really good.
Speaker B:I'll post the link to that one.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's just like his voice is incredible.
Speaker B:And I guess that's why he, like, he had like, you know, 700,000 views.
Speaker B:The rapper Crow and Towin had like 700.
Speaker B:So if you Go to, like, I'm sure they had.
Speaker B:They went up by two today, so he's probably like, oh, we're getting views.
Speaker B:We're getting likes.
Speaker A:We're going viral, man.
Speaker A:We got two more views.
Speaker B:Smash that, like, button.
Speaker A:Subscribe.
Speaker A:All that.
Speaker B:Like I said, Laura was not short, but there is so much.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:I edited when we finally published all this.
Speaker B:I've got other stuff that I left out because I was like, I can't.
Speaker B:This is too long.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:There's so much on this, and it really.
Speaker B:I mean, it's.
Speaker B:I mean, it's a really.
Speaker B:It's a mystery, right?
Speaker B:And everyone loves a mystery.
Speaker B:It's a mystery that's tied into a lot of shit.
Speaker A:And science has tried to address it in what they.
Speaker A:In ways they can and they haven't been able to.
Speaker A:And that just keeps people's interest piqued.
Speaker A:That's just all there is to it, you know, because we assume now that as.
Speaker A:As technology has advanced and as our society's advanced and all these kind of things, we're like, oh, ha, ha ha.
Speaker A:That wasn't fucking magic clouds.
Speaker A:That's a fucking rainstorm, you dumbass.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, we've figured shit out.
Speaker A:And then when there's stuff that has.
Speaker B:They're not magic clouds.
Speaker A:I mean, they might be.
Speaker C:You never know.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:But you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, we.
Speaker A:We've, like, we're like, oh, you know, there's scientific answers for a lot of things, but when there's still things that are inexplicable, that.
Speaker A:That kind of tugs at us still.
Speaker B:Well, you know, one of the things.
Speaker A:I read, which is why we watch this fucking show, is why I watch the show.
Speaker B:But also, just like, there is.
Speaker B:Is a treasure hunter obsession, right?
Speaker B:And one of the books I read, you know, it's just like, I just went into this because I just wanted to do, like, a quick story about this thing, and then the next thing you know, he's like, in the archives of England, like.
Speaker B:Like actually making, like, huge discoveries.
Speaker B:And people wanted.
Speaker B:They want to make the discovery.
Speaker B:They want to be the one who finds that smoking gun.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is what happened.
Speaker B:And it's one of those things that we will probably never really know.
Speaker B:Like, there's just not going to be an answer.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of things, too, that I've always wondered, because if they had died on Roanoke, there would have been like.
Speaker B:Or if they'd been massacred, you would Think there would have been, like, bodies.
Speaker B:Like, no one's going to cart off 200 people or 170, whatever it was.
Speaker B:No one's going to cart off that many skeletons.
Speaker B:Like, those skeletons would be there somewhere.
Speaker A:Or some evidence of them somewhere.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, though, I think on Roanoke and also on Cape Hatteras, there was just also a lot of development and really bad.
Speaker B:Like, I read one story, there's like, oh, yeah, like, we were just on Hatteras, or like, they were just clearing things through development and, like, construction people.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, we found bones.
Speaker B:And we don't want to say anything because it's going to stop our.
Speaker B:It's going to stop what we're doing.
Speaker B:So they're like, yeah, we just bundled up the bones and put them in a trash bag and move them, reburied them somewhere else.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:And there's.
Speaker B:And there was also a lot of bad science.
Speaker B:You have a lot of bad archaeologists and, like, things that were just done wrong.
Speaker B:So it's quite possible that the answer was there at some point and somebody just done fucked it up and bulldozed all that shit, threw it in the ocean.
Speaker B:There's all sorts of things, like, oh, like, the site's actually in the waters.
Speaker B:There's people who are doing archaeological surveys in the water.
Speaker B:People really do just become obsessed with this.
Speaker B:Like, Scott Dawson.
Speaker B:Scott Dawson.
Speaker B:You're obsessed.
Speaker B:Lay off, man.
Speaker B:Nobody likes you.
Speaker B:You talk a lot.
Speaker B:I'm not creating.
Speaker B:I'm creating Nurse Nemesis right now.
Speaker B:Fuck you.
Speaker A:Is that your goal?
Speaker B:Okay, come at me.
Speaker B:Come at me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyways, all right, so that was Croatoa, but it could have been zombies.
Speaker A:I'm gonna say could have been zombies.
Speaker B:That's why you couldn't find them, because they ate all the bones.
Speaker B:Like, they were.
Speaker B:They were super, like, they, like, ground that bones down.
Speaker A:Chompy zombies.
Speaker B:Chompy zombies.
Speaker B:But I guess, like, what happened to zombies?
Speaker B:Maybe they went into the ocean to try and get to the next island and then they just drowned because zombies.
Speaker A:Or they made it there and they kept walking and Was just a legend we haven't put together yet.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:They became West Virginia.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Left to that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're gonna go back.
Speaker A:So, like, we're at the clinic and Sarge wants to kill Mrs. Tanner because she's obviously got the virus thing, whatever it is, and that he's afraid she's just gonna get stronger the longer they wait.
Speaker A:And so she's trying to convince Sarge that she's not infected, but he's like pointing his gun at her and she's pulling his heartstrings and ball and saying, no, I don't have it.
Speaker A:They attacked me, which is a lie.
Speaker A:And oh, you know, you've known me my whole life, blah blah blah.
Speaker A:And says that the other people are infected, not her, which is like, it's a good lie.
Speaker A:And Dean, Dean asks Sam if he's sure that, that she's infected and that she like really did this.
Speaker A:And Sam kind of like, yeah, but like kind of a subtle.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we see Dean pull the trigger.
Speaker B:Dean executes the shit out of her.
Speaker B:And it's very uncomfortable.
Speaker B:I am so uncomfortable with this.
Speaker B:Like it just.
Speaker B:She was not exhibiting signs like other.
Speaker A:Than earlier when she did attack.
Speaker A:I mean, she did.
Speaker B:Yeah, earlier she did.
Speaker B:But at this point, point I'm like, you just straight up murdered her.
Speaker A:But, but here's the thing.
Speaker A:Here, here's my thing.
Speaker A:I'm not defending because it was really dark and it was very fucked up and I was very uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Like no, he didn't know.
Speaker C:He didn't.
Speaker A:But so I don't want to go down a tangent too far.
Speaker A:I promise I won't.
Speaker A:But I recently read this book series called.
Speaker A:The series called Peeps.
Speaker A:It's Scott Westerfield if you're into your YA like dystopian fiction.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:But the concept in Peeps is actually short for parasite positive.
Speaker A:And so this whole book like they' big on parasites, which is fucking freaky by the way too.
Speaker A:So there's actually a lot of like here's a.
Speaker A:It's whole chapter is a paragraph is a whole study on an actual type of parasite that you might have.
Speaker A:And then it goes back into the story.
Speaker A:But big summary is that vampirism exists.
Speaker A:But vampirism is a parasite.
Speaker A:But the parasite makes you do things to help you spread the parasite.
Speaker A:Like lie, like behave a certain way.
Speaker A:Like spread it like they were all compelled to like bleed on each other in this, in this.
Speaker A:Like so whatever this virus was doing, it was.
Speaker A:Is propagating its own existence.
Speaker A:So it was almost more like a parasite than a virus.
Speaker A:And that's what I had to say about that anyways.
Speaker A:And so the parasite would also make you lie.
Speaker B:I'm just laughing.
Speaker B:I'm just laughing because you're like, you would spread it,.
Speaker A:Spread it real good.
Speaker A:But they, but so the concept would be that instead to the virus instead of being a virus was actually a parasite in this case which would be like a demonic parasite.
Speaker A:And its whole Intent was to re.
Speaker B:To keep.
Speaker A:Continue itself.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So it would be trying to spread itself in that regard.
Speaker A:So that.
Speaker A:I said it again.
Speaker A:I know, but so that would.
Speaker A:It would compel you to do things, to save yourself because you are its host.
Speaker A:Anyways, that's my whole thing.
Speaker A:That's where I would.
Speaker B:I mean, technically, you know, I mean, viruses are parasites.
Speaker B:I mean, they are.
Speaker B:They're organisms.
Speaker A:They're parasites.
Speaker A:So it's trying to self preserve.
Speaker A:Preserve.
Speaker A:It's saying, hey, well, I can't want them to kill me because I can't.
Speaker A:Can't keep spreading if I get killed.
Speaker B:My goal is to replicate.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, and I agree.
Speaker B:Like, no, I was like, I don't think she wasn't infected.
Speaker B:I just say it was really.
Speaker B:It was disturbing.
Speaker B:It was a brutal.
Speaker B:It was a brutal murder.
Speaker B:Like, it was not killing.
Speaker B:It was a fucking murder.
Speaker B:And like, you could have just like shut the door.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I. I've got.
Speaker A:I've got mixed feelings about that part.
Speaker A:But at the same time, yeah, it was very uncomfortable and I didn't like it and Sarge was like crying and it was weird.
Speaker A:So anyway, so we cut to nighttime and they're like looking at the blinds.
Speaker A:There's like three people like stand on the corner watching the clinic.
Speaker A:And Sam's like inspecting the knife that Dean had found earlier.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And they're just going through baby.
Speaker A:Baby's contents are laid out within the clinic at this point.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But they agree that they need to get out of there.
Speaker A:And Sarge points out that there's a lot of good folks.
Speaker A:A lot of folks outside are good with rifles, so they'll basically decide they're need explosives.
Speaker A:So Sam's going to make medical bombs.
Speaker B:I mean, like, you do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's like, I have shit in here.
Speaker B:I read cookbook.
Speaker B:I know how to make this.
Speaker A:I can make some shit blow up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they're working at that.
Speaker A:And then you hear someone bang at the door.
Speaker A:And it is Dwayne, the guy they've been looking for this whole fucking time is there.
Speaker A:He came to them.
Speaker A:And I would like to point out this time that he is played out by Diego Klattenhoff, who is Shane Oman in Mean Girls.
Speaker A:Oh, so he is.
Speaker A:He's banging Regina.
Speaker A:He cheats.
Speaker A:He is the one that Regina George cheats on Aaron Samuels with.
Speaker A:And they were hooking up in the projection room above the auditorium.
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker A:Apparently he was also on like Homelanders Mother shit too.
Speaker A:Like, this is the most important role he ever had.
Speaker B:I heard that Regina George was hooking up with him.
Speaker B:See, See?
Speaker A:And then he becomes the Spring King.
Speaker A:Spring Fling King.
Speaker A:Anyways, that's Dwayne.
Speaker B:Girl history.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Dwayne is played by the guy who played Shane Oman.
Speaker A:The most important role of his life.
Speaker A:Anyways, so doctor's gonna check him out, but.
Speaker A:And he's talking about how he's seeing people getting dragged and being cut.
Speaker A:And of course, he's got, like, a cut on his leg.
Speaker A:He wants to know where his folks are.
Speaker A:And everybody's like, oh, pause.
Speaker A:You're fucking bleeding, dude.
Speaker A:Fuck this shit.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, the virus takes, like, three hours to incubate, so we need to just tie him up and wait it out.
Speaker A:And so Sarge ties him up and Sam pulls the aside.
Speaker A:He's like, yeah, this is the fucking dude you shot in my vision.
Speaker A:This is how it's going to go down.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker A:We're not going to wait.
Speaker A:No, we're going to go.
Speaker A:I mean, I am going to go ahead and kill this motherfucker because I'm sure he's infected with this shit.
Speaker A:So I'm going to lock Sam up.
Speaker A:This is real fucking dark.
Speaker A:And we're like, where the fuck is Dean's head right now?
Speaker A:This is not good.
Speaker A:And it's very uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Watch Dean go down this path.
Speaker A:So Dwayne's.
Speaker A:We get the scene.
Speaker A:Basically, what it was.
Speaker A:Well, we basically get Sam's vision from the intro of the episode where Dwayne's begging, saying, please don't fucking kill me.
Speaker A:I don't have it.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And didn't spread them.
Speaker B:It's not in me.
Speaker B:I didn't spread them.
Speaker A:Didn't spread them.
Speaker A:I didn't spread them.
Speaker A:And then Dean's pointing the gun at him like it's about to go down.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But he hesitates.
Speaker A:It was a little intense.
Speaker A:And then we cut back to the Winchester brothers making medical bombs.
Speaker B:So I was calling a Molotov assembly line.
Speaker B:Like, it was right.
Speaker B:It was very, like, very.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was a Molotov assembly line for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And the doctor comes in.
Speaker A:It's like, well, it's been four hours.
Speaker A:And Dwayne doesn't have any sign of being infected.
Speaker A:So we think he's good and clean.
Speaker A:And Sam wants to know why Dean hesitated.
Speaker A:Dean won't really answer.
Speaker A:He's kind of, like, playing it off.
Speaker C:Off.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So Sam goes to get more supplies to make more Molotov cocktails.
Speaker A:And Pam locks Sam in a room with him and is trying to, like, half ass come on to him, but really she's attacking him.
Speaker A:And then she tackles him and cuts him and rubs her blood on the cut.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they become blood brothers.
Speaker B:At least.
Speaker B:Like, at least she used a scalpel.
Speaker B:So I think at least that was sanitary.
Speaker A:Like, at least it was, like, in her pocket.
Speaker A:I don't think it was outside.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it came out of the san.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:It's more sanitary than a hunting knife.
Speaker B:Like, so.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:Everybody busts in the room and Dean and Sarge shoot at Pam.
Speaker A:And then there's a big debate about if they should kill Sam or not since he's probably infected.
Speaker A:And so this causes, like, one of those whole, like, ethical dilemmas.
Speaker A:It's kind of like.
Speaker A:It's kind of like zombie dilemma.
Speaker A:Like, if you get bit, do you want to just get shot or do you want to wait it out and see if it actually.
Speaker A:If you actually turn one of those things?
Speaker A:But they go back and forth.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Basically, Dean says everyone else needs to escape and he's gonna stay behind with Sam.
Speaker A:And that's just all there is to it.
Speaker B:And also gave him the keys of baby.
Speaker A:He was done.
Speaker A:He was saying.
Speaker A:He was saying, farewell.
Speaker A:I'm gonna die here with my brother.
Speaker A:Take my car.
Speaker A:Which is pretty heavy.
Speaker B:It's heavy, man.
Speaker B:Like, take the explosives is one thing, but take baby.
Speaker B:I'm like, you gotta find your own ride.
Speaker B:Here's explosives.
Speaker B:Like, you're good to go.
Speaker B:Like, there's plenty of abandoned cars out there.
Speaker B:Just go find one.
Speaker B:I'm sure the doctor has a car.
Speaker B:I'm sure the nurse had a car.
Speaker B:Dwayne got there somehow and then.
Speaker A:And Sarge can't live that far.
Speaker A:This town's really fucking small.
Speaker A:He probably had a car somewhere.
Speaker A:Which is weird though, because I guess he chased down Dean, but whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam's like, well.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, why aren't you going?
Speaker A:Wants him to go.
Speaker A:And also, it's at one point in here is when Dean confessed.
Speaker A:Confesses to the doctor that they aren't really marshals.
Speaker A:And she just says, oh.
Speaker A:And walks off really weird to me.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay.
Speaker A:I mean, nothing to do about it, but it's just kind of funny.
Speaker A:She's like, oh, all right, then.
Speaker A:Moving on.
Speaker A:So while Sam and Dean are having their brother and brother alone moment, now that everybody else is supposedly gone, they're.
Speaker A:Sam basically says, look Leave me here.
Speaker A:Let me shoot myself.
Speaker A:Like, you don't have to kill me.
Speaker A:Just let me do it.
Speaker A:I don't understand.
Speaker A:And Dean goes actually down a really dark path.
Speaker A:Explaining about how he doesn't want to keep going, and that's why he wants to stay with his brother.
Speaker A:He's tired of his life.
Speaker A:Tired of the job they do, tired of all of it.
Speaker A:Can't do.
Speaker A:Can't live normal life.
Speaker A:Can't have normal life.
Speaker A:So it's just done.
Speaker A:He's ready to be out.
Speaker A:Out.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's real depressive.
Speaker B:And he's also just like, this isn't about dad.
Speaker B:Like, this is like, an overall thing.
Speaker B:But I think, you know, this is also an interesting turning point too.
Speaker B:It's just like, okay, well, this is different than the other things where it's like, I'm accepting this.
Speaker A:But I think it did tie a little bit in.
Speaker A:Which he didn't say.
Speaker A:Was that.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:I think it's implied here.
Speaker A:Is that, like, yeah, I'm done.
Speaker A:Because I, I, I'm not gonna do it alone.
Speaker A:Like, I'm kind of done anyways, but I'm really done if I have to do it by myself.
Speaker A:That was, like, the unspoken part.
Speaker A:But anyways.
Speaker A:So someone circles back, and the doctor's like, the doctor came back.
Speaker A:So somebody's back after they've been sitting there for a while and, like, hey, I need you to come see something outside.
Speaker A:And they run outside, and the town is empty.
Speaker A:There's no one there at all.
Speaker A:Very weird.
Speaker A:So they go back town, just.
Speaker A:Yeah, so they cut back to the.
Speaker A:The lab, and Sam's blood is clean.
Speaker A:He's not infected.
Speaker A:And even the samples that she had checked previously from the Tanners are all clean now.
Speaker A:So there's no more sulfur, no more sign of virus in them, which is weird.
Speaker B:Also, like, maybe you didn't need to kill everybody.
Speaker B:Oops.
Speaker B:Oops.
Speaker A:So Sarge and Dwayne are gonna leave town together.
Speaker A:They're like, fuck this.
Speaker A:We're out.
Speaker A:There's no one in this town now.
Speaker A:Anyways, the doctor is gonna go make a report in the next town over if they'll believe her.
Speaker A:What she says.
Speaker A:I'm like, nope, they're not gonna believe you at all.
Speaker A:This sounds insane.
Speaker A:And, yeah, so they're, you know, the brothers kind of talk about, like, why Sam was immune.
Speaker A:Where did everyone go?
Speaker A:It's kind of like the questions that we are left with right now.
Speaker A:So we cut to.
Speaker A:Sarge and Dwayne are driving and Dwayne's like, hey, can you pull over?
Speaker A:I need to make a call.
Speaker A:And I'm like, the phone's working in.
Speaker A:What the fuck's he doing?
Speaker A:And then we see him pull out a little blade and he cuts Sarge's knife or cuts Sarge's neck with his knife, which is sad.
Speaker A:And fills his fucking blood bowl phone.
Speaker A:Like, Meg carries around the stupid fucking blood bowl phone and fills it with.
Speaker B:This was a chalice.
Speaker B:And my theory is this is the chalice that went missing back on Roanoke that caused all this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, so the chalice just has been, like, causing all these problems and it's just going through.
Speaker B:That's my theory.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he sticks in and then, like, collects all his blood.
Speaker A:Collects all his blood.
Speaker A:And I was just thinking.
Speaker A:I'm like, that's like that.
Speaker A:That fucking blood bowl phone Meg used.
Speaker A:But that's okay.
Speaker A:And he's.
Speaker A:He says basically, like, that he knew that Sam would be immune and that there was no one left behind.
Speaker A:And his eyes turned black like the, like, demon possessed eyes.
Speaker B:So a couple things too, like, that I've been thinking about so beyond the.
Speaker B:Where did you get the chalice from?
Speaker B:Because I'm just like, you just.
Speaker B:You didn't have a backpack with you when you went into the duck shop.
Speaker B:Like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:Like, where the fuck are you keeping the chalice?
Speaker B:But more importantly, he says, no one left behind.
Speaker B:And the doctor was there.
Speaker B:So was the doctor a part of this?
Speaker B:Because she's like.
Speaker B:They're like, we want to make sure that he's infected.
Speaker B:We want to make sure that he's immune.
Speaker B:And we had this doctor who could read, you know, figure out where sulfur is in blood.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:I didn't think about that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm wondering if the doctor was part of it.
Speaker B:Because he didn't kill her.
Speaker B:He said, no one left behind.
Speaker B:So I have a theory is that.
Speaker A:The doctor is one of those interesting.
Speaker A:Well, we cut.
Speaker A:We cut from this scene to our final scene of the episode, which is Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:They're on, like, the edge of a.
Speaker A:Of a water way of a river of some kind.
Speaker A:Drinking beer, talking about Tejas beer again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it's because Dean was like, I can't finish the six packs.
Speaker B:They put it in the Jeep in baby with him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, and then Sam wants to know why.
Speaker A:What Dean meant about being just tired of everything.
Speaker A:And so Dean's trying to say, look, I want to go take a break.
Speaker A:I want a Vacation.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I need to get away.
Speaker A:Let's go to the Grand Canyon kind of a deal.
Speaker A:And Sam just wants to know, where's the.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:You just said Grand Canyon kind of deal.
Speaker B:You left off the part where he says, I want to go to Hollywood and try and bang Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, he did say that, too.
Speaker A:Which is a good mean girls tie in.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Full circle, circles back.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, yeah, you're right.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Sam wants to know where this is all coming from.
Speaker A:And then the part that makes you angry when you know, this is a cliffhanger for a little mid season break, but we don't have to wait because we are watching on Netflix now.
Speaker A:But Dean admits to Sam that he is keeping a secret from Sam that dad told him about Sam.
Speaker A:So Dean's gonna reveal the secret at some point.
Speaker B:But not now.
Speaker A:But not today.
Speaker A:Today.
Speaker B:So you.
Speaker B:That was pretty much just like, we're gonna go winter break, and.
Speaker A:They have to tell you in the next episode, right?
Speaker A:I mean, they have to tell you.
Speaker A:Like, you don't have to give, but they have to tell you the next episode because otherwise it's just irritating.
Speaker B:I'm just saying, they have been kind of irritating the last couple seasons on a lot of things.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Remember how long they.
Speaker A:If I were Sam, and they were like, well, if I was Sam, he's like, Like, I know a secret.
Speaker A:Dad told me a secret about you, but I'm not gonna tell you.
Speaker B:I'd be like, you.
Speaker A:Then I'm out, bruh.
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna beat you with my Tejas beer.
Speaker B:And, you know.
Speaker A:But, oh, yeah, like, you then.
Speaker B:I mean, good on you, supernatural people, because this is a good way to end on a winter break and make sure people come back.
Speaker B:But, man, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Y' all push this.
Speaker B:Like, you're stretching this out.
Speaker B:Like, oh, no, no, the last one.
Speaker B:We're gonna learn.
Speaker B:No, we're not gonna learn.
Speaker B:We're gonna learn.
Speaker B:Not gonna learn.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:Oh, Sam, you know, something's.
Speaker B:Something's happening, and it's.
Speaker B:It's so bad that I want to, like, kill myself.
Speaker B:It's that bad.
Speaker A:That's how bad it is.
Speaker B:That I can tell you bastards.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's mean.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:It's pretty.
Speaker A:It's pretty harsh.
Speaker A:Pretty harsh, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's what I got.
Speaker A:That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker A:And I didn't like the cliffhanger, but I don't have to wait through a Winter break at least, because.
Speaker B:Yeah, you'll find out, actually.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'll be so mad.
Speaker A:Be so mad.
Speaker A:Better if I don't find out.
Speaker A:Next episode.
Speaker A:It must be a badass episode.
Speaker A:So I don't care.
Speaker B:Diana's just gonna quit the podcast.
Speaker B:I'm gonna find a new host.
Speaker A:So if you want, Sam, at least tell me.
Speaker A:Like, I want to know what the secret is.
Speaker A:I mean, not you, Liz.
Speaker A:Don't tell me.
Speaker A:I want the show, too.
Speaker A:I want the show.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, like, I get prophecy by next week, I'll tell you, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, but also, I mean.
Speaker B:So this was episode nine.
Speaker B:22.
Speaker B:22 Episodes in a season about halfway through.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know what's gonna come out.
Speaker B:But overall, I think there are some things in this episode that I like.
Speaker B:Some things I really had problems with.
Speaker B:One of which I did not like, was how much they flipped Dean to, like, the dark side.
Speaker B:Like, he went super dark side in a very cruel way, which I was not.
Speaker A:But is it, like, the zombie protocol where, like, you just fucking.
Speaker A:If you know they're gonna turn, you have to kill them?
Speaker B:I mean, but he.
Speaker B:He didn't.
Speaker A:That is a zombie protocol.
Speaker B:Yeah, but what is he basing his evidence on?
Speaker B:Like, there is, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, there was a couple of things that happened, but his sample set was pretty small.
Speaker B:Two.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker B:He's up two people.
Speaker B:He got shot at by Bundy militia.
Speaker B:He got attacked by, you know, Mrs. D.J.
Speaker B:Tanner's mom.
Speaker B:But I guess that's what happened to Mrs. Tanner.
Speaker A:Wait, by the way, Dwayne.
Speaker A:Dwayne.
Speaker A:We don't know what Dwayne's middle name is.
Speaker A:And the brother's Jake.
Speaker A:And the brother's Jake.
Speaker B:My mind just exploded.
Speaker A:D.J.
Speaker A:Tanner and Mr. Rogers.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker B:But, hey, this also, like, fills in a lot of lore for Full House.
Speaker B:Now we know what happened to TJ's mom.
Speaker B:Like, we never.
Speaker B:We just know she's dead.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:They say why?
Speaker B:How she died.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Well, now we know she had a crazy demonic virus out in Oregon.
Speaker B:As days go by.
Speaker B:Wait, that's family matters.
Speaker B:It's not Full House.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I probably know that theme song somewhere.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:Oh, Jesse.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:That's all that matters.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:All right, we're gonna call it from there.
Speaker B:I think at this point, for everybody's sake, we should just stop.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers, bitch.
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