2:10 Hunted
Season 2, Episode 10 of Supernatural "Hunted" dedicated to the memory of Mr. Tinkles. Learn about the original Miss Cleo, Marie Anne Lenormand. Appelle-moi maintenant!
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Transcript
Oh, welcome to this week's episode of Double Strap podcast where I talk about how I want to be smothered and covered with Dr. Badass.
Speaker B:And then you tell us all about the original Ms. Cleo.
Speaker A:And this episode is dedicated to the memory of Mr. Tinkles.
Speaker A:RIP Mr. Tinkles.
Speaker A:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Saude of Devil's Trip Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about season two, episode ten, Hunted.
Speaker B:I'm Diane.
Speaker A:Who are you?
Speaker A:I'm Liz.
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:So what's going on?
Speaker A:How was your week?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's been good.
Speaker B:Active, but good.
Speaker B:Got to celebrate our friend Aaron's birthday this past weekend.
Speaker B:Got to go to a Ranger game at the fancy Globe Life indoor field, which is quite lovely to have air conditioning while you watch baseball in a Texas summer at 1:30 in the afternoon.
Speaker B:And I mean, Rangers lost because that's what they do right now.
Speaker B:But it was still nice.
Speaker A:I mean, you didn't tell me that it was air conditioning.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, because you're like, I'm going.
Speaker A:To a baseball game.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, you're going to baseball game in Dallas.
Speaker B:You were very positive and optimistic about it because it was a semi work thing, but it was, but you were very like, it'll be fun.
Speaker B:And I'm like, damn, who are you?
Speaker B:But, but you know, I had the requisite popcorn, nachos and a beer, so it was a good time.
Speaker B:And no hot dog down the hot dog.
Speaker B:I'd eaten lunch already and then I thought about a hot dog and I was like, but, but there were a lot of foul balls.
Speaker A:Diana had balls flying in her face.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, my, my stadium, like if I'm doing baseball games is.
Speaker A:Well, I usually.
Speaker A:The only time I would go to baseball games was usually like when I lived in FL and we would go see the feeder teams or the people doing in spring training because they would have dollar dog and dollar beer night.
Speaker A:So I was just going for dollar beer.
Speaker A:And honestly, it's fun to sit outside and get drunk and watch people throw balls at each other, but I'm not going to watch baseball on tv.
Speaker A:Like I'm never going to be that excited about it.
Speaker A:But give me excuse to go drink beer and eat some, eat some terrible food.
Speaker A:Like I'm cool.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, that's how I feel.
Speaker B:Like I'm not a baseball, I'm a, I'm a, I root for my home team, I'm just not going to fucking watch kind of person.
Speaker B:Like, I want my team to do good, but I like an event is different.
Speaker B:Like watching on tv.
Speaker B:No, but going to a game is an event.
Speaker B:Like, all right.
Speaker B:And we had, like, some of the Francis seats, so I had really good seats behind home plate.
Speaker B:And, like, we.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:It's really bizarre, but they do, like, this thing where you, like, concierge, you just check off what you want, and they bring you free popcorn, free pretzels, free hot dog, free peanuts.
Speaker B:Always deliver it to you in these seats.
Speaker B:I just think it's weird that StubHub has their own, like, part of.
Speaker B:Of an event space.
Speaker B:Because, I mean, like, it's a ticket exchange.
Speaker B:It's basically ticket reselling, which is kind of like the antithesis of anybody that puts on events.
Speaker B:It's just bizarre to me.
Speaker B:But that's okay.
Speaker B:Good for that.
Speaker A:I think we're at this point, though, where StubHub is just become embedded into things.
Speaker A:And as far as ticket scalpers go, like, I'm sure the people who.
Speaker A:I don't know, baseball people, whatever, fucking people who sell sports tickets, owners would rather have people buy them through subhub.
Speaker A:Cause then the seats are there, as opposed to scalping them outside.
Speaker A:But that guy who is like, hey, hey.
Speaker A:Got five tickets.
Speaker A:Got five tickets here.
Speaker A:Would you.
Speaker A:Would you like some tickets?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:I totally get it.
Speaker B:It just feels like, huh.
Speaker B:This is weird.
Speaker B:But okay.
Speaker B:But, yeah, no, it was a good time.
Speaker B:And then they had a big fundraiser in Dallas yesterday for a.
Speaker B:Yesterday, whatever.
Speaker B:We're recording on Monday.
Speaker B:But a local studio owner who was severely injured in a freak electrical accident.
Speaker B:And so musician and music producer who.
Speaker B:It was called Jeff Fest at Double Wide, one of our favorite spots to go hang out.
Speaker B:And so a bunch of amazing bands that were friends with him or recorded with him, all that donated their time, tons of great sponsors.
Speaker B:It was a really cool thing to help him out and help his family out with medical expenses.
Speaker B:He's got quite a road to recovery.
Speaker B:But it was cool to see everybody.
Speaker B:Like, a lot of the music scene in Dallas was there coming out and supporting.
Speaker B:Nice to see people come together for a cause and have a good time.
Speaker B:And it was hot, and we drank beer, and then I was tired and went home.
Speaker B:That's my story.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I barely left my couch, I think, at one point, lying on the couch, surrounded by, like, a thousand books on the occult, trying to figure out what I was going to do for this week's episode.
Speaker A:And I did.
Speaker A:In exciting news, I did get a New book of Victorian morning fashion and jewelry and clothes.
Speaker A:And I found they.
Speaker A:There's a whole article in there about the.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:I'm spacing on the name.
Speaker A:The things used to capture tears while you're mourning.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, that's like Snape.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Like it was in Harry Potter.
Speaker A:So it's a thing that they really had during Victorian times.
Speaker A:And women, like, would capture their tears.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:They also happened during the Civil War.
Speaker A:So while your soldier was off fighting from whatever side he was fighting on, like, and you were sad and you could capture your tears.
Speaker A:So he came back and he knew you were sad for him.
Speaker A:So now I want to find those bitches.
Speaker A:And they're not that expensive.
Speaker A:They're, like, around, like, a hundred.
Speaker A:Because a book is like, like a buying guide.
Speaker A:And it tells you, like, how much of, like, these.
Speaker A:Each type of things should be worth.
Speaker A:So that as you're going on ebay or other places looking for them, you can get a general idea of, like, when you're getting fucked with and, like, what you're supposed to pay or if you get a good find, you know.
Speaker A:So they were only, like, 100 to $200.
Speaker A:So that was.
Speaker A:I think that's worth it for.
Speaker A:But I'm like, do they still have their tears in it?
Speaker A:Can I use these tears to do a spell and, like, bring those people back from the dead?
Speaker A:That's where my mind went.
Speaker A:That I could use this to commit sorcery.
Speaker A:But also, they also look cool.
Speaker B:But I'm just amused that you were watching Drag Race while you were reading this book, too.
Speaker A:What else do you do?
Speaker A:You watch Drag Race and then you read about Victorian morning clothes.
Speaker B:Hey, I mean, it's all fashion related.
Speaker A:It's all fashions.
Speaker A:The Queen's book would have loved it.
Speaker A:And it made me feel less guilty about not sewing things that are, like, there's a pattern.
Speaker A:I was researching other things that, you know, I may want it to make into clothes one day.
Speaker A:Yeah, beyond that.
Speaker A:I mean, I was on call this weekend, so it wasn't.
Speaker A:I couldn't go anywhere.
Speaker A:But I will say that today, one thing, I don't know if you guys ever had this happen to you when you listen to our podcast.
Speaker A:So tonight I was having a late evening call because we were trying to coordinate times between the US And Australia, and I had paused a podcast I was listening to on the Black Death, and I'd unmuted my meeting so I could talk to people, and I accidentally hit something in My iPad.
Speaker A:And just the podcast started screaming about Scallywags.
Speaker A:So la.
Speaker A:It was just like, oh, these Scallywags.
Speaker A:These scallywags.
Speaker A:Everyone.
Speaker A:I'm, like, trying desperately to either grab the mute button, and it was like, wait, which do I do first?
Speaker A:Do I mute the laptop?
Speaker A:And then, like, okay, so I muted the meeting, and then, like, wouldn't sound like where it was coming through on my iPad.
Speaker A:And I could just see one of my work husband was on the call, and you could just see him laughing because nobody knew where this was coming from.
Speaker A:Nobody.
Speaker A:It was the beginning of the call, so we weren't actually.
Speaker A:And it wasn't a customer.
Speaker A:It was internal.
Speaker A:But at least I was just like.
Speaker A:And nobody brought it up.
Speaker A:Like, nobody mentioned the fact that somewhere in the background it's like, scallywags.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:Because then it's just like, that weird, awkward, where, like, they just didn't want to say anything.
Speaker A:Like, no.
Speaker A:I'm sure everyone's like, what is that saying?
Speaker A:Scally.
Speaker A:Scally what?
Speaker A:Like, what?
Speaker A:Because you can't.
Speaker A:You can't mistake that for somebody's child or anything.
Speaker B:Like, I guess you could.
Speaker A:If I had a child, they would be running around yelling scallywags.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:I mean, I would teach my child that word.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:I mean, I guess I don't know if that's in Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker A:Like, maybe they would learn it.
Speaker B:I'm like, but yeah, things to teach.
Speaker B:Things to teach.
Speaker A:Addison, teach your children about Scallywags.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:What are you drinking?
Speaker A:I'm drinking one of Senora's Monte Pulciano.
Speaker B:I haven't tried that one yet, and I really want to.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker A:Let's drink the last bottle.
Speaker B:I almost ordered it because that's what I wanted to try it.
Speaker B:I just had.
Speaker A:It's really good.
Speaker A:If you order you to decant it for, like, an.
Speaker A:But yeah, you would like it, I swear.
Speaker A:I've brought this for you before, but I don't know.
Speaker A:Also, I'm going to Dallas this weekend to go see Diana for my birthday, and we're gonna go watch horses run at Medieval Times and go see, like, an actual band.
Speaker A:I'm so excited.
Speaker A:This is the first band I will have seen since the Pandemic, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker A:Shut up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not rubbing it in.
Speaker B:It's just weird.
Speaker B:Like, I keep hearing people say that, and it's awesome.
Speaker B:Cause I'm like, oh, man.
Speaker B:I mean, a.
Speaker B:It's partially my line of work.
Speaker B:It may be Weird if I hadn't.
Speaker A:Partially.
Speaker A:It is your line of work.
Speaker B:Partially.
Speaker B:This is what I do paperwork, so I don't have to.
Speaker B:But I was working shows back when we first opened, so I saw a lot of shows then.
Speaker B:But yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's a good feeling.
Speaker B:It's a good feeling.
Speaker B:And, like, even yesterday when I was at that show, I mean, it's just a good.
Speaker B:Everybody outside.
Speaker B:And I mean, most.
Speaker B:It was mostly out.
Speaker B:It was outside, inside, event.
Speaker B:But, like, just being in this event this weekend is out.
Speaker B:The concert is mostly outside this weekend, I think.
Speaker B:But, like, it's just like the.
Speaker B:I'll get all, like, wax poetic on, like, the community feeling of enjoying live music with a group of people.
Speaker B:It's just so different.
Speaker B:Like, live stream is one thing.
Speaker B:Okay, great people did that.
Speaker B:I think it's boring great, too.
Speaker B:All the people that enjoy it, but.
Speaker B:And then, like, listen to an album.
Speaker B:I listen to music.
Speaker B:I like music.
Speaker B:But then, like, being in a communal experience of enjoying live music in a social setting with other people that you share this enjoyment with, there's just not an equivalent for it.
Speaker B:I know you're a live music fan, so you.
Speaker B:You'll truly enjoy it, too, with us.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just don't like the people part.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, I want to go see the band.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:The socializing.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be with the people.
Speaker A:I want to socialize.
Speaker A:Socialize with for the most part.
Speaker A:I did find out today that one of my favorite bands I'm currently obsessed with, Twin Temple, is playing a Halloween show in la.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, I think I'm gonna go to that, because how could I not?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And one of my favorite Texas drag queens, Louisiana Purchase, is gonna be performing at that show.
Speaker A:So I'm like, oh, she's double whammy.
Speaker A:She's an awesome queen.
Speaker A:She's gonna be out there.
Speaker A:If you have not watched Dracula, it is, like, the best show ever.
Speaker A:You all should stop, finish our podcast, and then.
Speaker A:And then go watch Dragula.
Speaker B:Because I watched most the first.
Speaker B:I watched the first season.
Speaker A:I think you watched the first season.
Speaker B:I need to go back and watch again.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's, like, watch the follow on.
Speaker A:Two or three seasons.
Speaker A:I forget how many there were.
Speaker A:But, yeah, it's just the most incredible, like, makeup.
Speaker A:If you're into horror effects or anything like that, it's just anyone who's into fashion or just in general weirdness, like, it's just.
Speaker A:It's full of, like, the greatest weirdos.
Speaker A:And so that's why I learned about her from.
Speaker A:And she lives in Austin.
Speaker A:So it'll be cool to go see a Texas queen out there and also get to see my favorite satanic doo wop and sacrifice shit.
Speaker A:And I better like, if I fly out there, I better be brought up and get on stage and getting.
Speaker A:Get my blood blessings.
Speaker B:That's all I.
Speaker A:That's all I really want.
Speaker A:Although on their last coven meeting they're like, we're not sure how we're going to do that now that you know biohazards and.
Speaker A:And shit.
Speaker A:So we'll see.
Speaker A:But that also means it's time for me to start planning my Halloween costume.
Speaker B:Oh man.
Speaker A:Which I've been thinking about since last year.
Speaker A:So I think I don't want to put myself into a box, but I've been thinking about doing.
Speaker A:Obviously it always involves some sort of corset, but doing a very stylized bat.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:So you have one does like the Black Widow.
Speaker A:Like music, but doing that version.
Speaker A:But with the bat.
Speaker A:Last year I felt that really cute.
Speaker A:That really cute bat costume where the person like had like the most adorable bat face ever.
Speaker B:Yes, I remember.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So combining that with like some sexiness, like I can be really good.
Speaker A:Sexy bat.
Speaker A:Sexy.
Speaker A:I'm a sexy bat.
Speaker A:That's what I'm doing for Halloween.
Speaker A:I'm a sexy bat.
Speaker A:It's much better than a sexy nurse or a sexy coronavirus.
Speaker B:I think there was like they, they went over the top with like the sexy costume.
Speaker B:I think last year there was like sexy fucking corn on the cob.
Speaker B:I'm like, what the.
Speaker B:What the hell are we doing, guys?
Speaker A:Yeah, pretty much anything you can make sexy.
Speaker A:Like and, but, but also like they're not even really making them sexy.
Speaker A:It's like I'm just going to give you some shitty ass waist center and a tiny skirt and then put a picture of a taco on it.
Speaker A:All of a sudden you're a sexy taco.
Speaker A:Like, like, I have a sexy taco.
Speaker A:You are not a sexy taco.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Because the director for this, her name is Rachel Talele.
Speaker A:She got her start with John Waters, so John Waters got her into film.
Speaker A:So she was a PA on Polyester.
Speaker A:She was the only female director of any of the Nightmare On Elm Street.
Speaker A:She directed Freddie's dad, the Final Nightmare, and she directed fucking Tank Girl.
Speaker A:She is the one who directed Tank Girl?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And it was just.
Speaker A:I read that.
Speaker A:I was like, no wonder I have things about this episode.
Speaker A:But this is the only episode of Supernatural she ever did.
Speaker A:But I was like, oh my God, I can't believe she basically, after she did Tank Girl and then she did the Ghost in the Machine and then after that she kind of moved into directing television.
Speaker A:So a lot of interesting.
Speaker A:And like, I think she did some Riverdale, some other things like that.
Speaker A:But yeah, but I just saw that.
Speaker A:I was like, oh my God.
Speaker B:So wait, did you say she did Freddie, she did the.
Speaker B:The Final Nightmare or no?
Speaker A:Yeah, she did the Final Nightmare, not the one that Ava was in.
Speaker B:So interestingly, here's my tie ins now.
Speaker B:A, I've met John Waters.
Speaker B:B, played roller derby with the chick that killed Freddie in the Final Nightmare.
Speaker B:Whoa.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm just like, what now?
Speaker B:Crazy tie ins.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Confluence.
Speaker A:It all comes together.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm like twice, like two times.
Speaker B:I'm one degree of separation from.
Speaker A:From the structure.
Speaker A:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker B:I don't have any good Tank Girl tie ins.
Speaker B:I wish, but that's okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Lori Petty was so amazing.
Speaker A:That movie was such a.
Speaker A:So ridiculous, so amazing.
Speaker A:Gosh, thank Girl, if you haven't all of it.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It was written by.
Speaker A:Yeah, and it was written by Raelle Tucker.
Speaker A:We've talked about her before, so we can delve right into.
Speaker A:Right into this.
Speaker A:So do you want to start?
Speaker B:All right, yeah.
Speaker B:So we start with this episode with a.
Speaker B:You see a doctor's voice recorder with talking to like a patient.
Speaker B:And it's a young man with kind of sunken in eyes, looks kind of sad.
Speaker B:So he's had a lot of migraines and that he started to have like this weird things happen.
Speaker B:Like when he touches stuff, it like electrifies it and kind of.
Speaker B:And he fried the neighbor's cat.
Speaker B:And in the background during this, White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane is playing, by the way.
Speaker B:Which is a great, great song in my opinion.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But then like the guy, the doctor's kind of like, oh, you really believe that happened?
Speaker B:Like you fried this cat?
Speaker B:And he's like, want to shake my hand?
Speaker B:Like, puts his hand out.
Speaker B:The doctor won't take it.
Speaker B:Kind of funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, did you IMTB the actor,.
Speaker B:The doctor or the.
Speaker A:No, Scott.
Speaker B:I did, I did look up good old Scotty, who they call that's what they call him a lot later in the episode.
Speaker B:And I totally blanked on it.
Speaker B:I've got my notes somewhere.
Speaker B:Here we go.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:Well, he.
Speaker B:He was in he's another episode of Supernatural later on.
Speaker B:But he was also in the CBGB film.
Speaker A:Yep, the CBG film.
Speaker A:He played Taxi.
Speaker A:He was the sound guy at CBs.
Speaker A:Also known as the film which Shall Not Be Talked about, even though Alan Rickman is in it and you know, Snape.
Speaker B:But I haven't seen it.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I'm aware of it.
Speaker B:I haven't seen it.
Speaker B:Dr. Wexler, though, is also a voice.
Speaker B:The doctor that he's talking to does play a regular voice.
Speaker B:Well, did play a regular voice on Squid Billies.
Speaker B:So there's your Heather Random.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Okay, so back to Mr. Tinkles.
Speaker A:So Mr. Tinkles, the cat that's the one that Scott killed.
Speaker A:So anyway, so White Rabbit is playing and.
Speaker A:And Scott starts talking about Old Yellow Eyes.
Speaker B:Old Yellow Eyes tell him to do things he doesn't want to do in his dreams.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that he has plans for him, but he calls him the Yellow Eyed Man.
Speaker B:So anyway, so we kind of cut away from him talking about this to go.
Speaker B:He's like walking, like through this weird alley, like under some train to go to, like, I guess where his car is parked is what we finally figure out.
Speaker B:Where the fuck is he going?
Speaker B:And you can tell he kind of feels like he's being followed.
Speaker B:He's looking around.
Speaker B:And then by the time he, like, starts to put his keys in his car, you see a reflection of a person behind him and they stab him repeatedly.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker A:And my note on this is because White Rabbit was playing in the background.
Speaker A:Feed your head and stab Scott until he did.
Speaker B:Oh, nicely done.
Speaker A:I'm a poet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Scott dead.
Speaker A:One thing that I was thinking about with this, because we saw this with SC and then the other, not Andrew, which is the bad twin.
Speaker A:He was killing people who said that Old Yellow Eyes was coming to him.
Speaker A:And I think it's interesting that Old Yellow Eyes has not been trying to entice Sam.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So we know that and we'll make it to the other.
Speaker A:We get to Ava and stuff later.
Speaker A:But it doesn't sound like he was talking to her.
Speaker A:Didn't sound like he was talking to any of the other ones that Sam had met.
Speaker A:So I just think it's interesting that.
Speaker B:He selective and who he selectively like,.
Speaker A:He's just like, I know this one's already kind of crazy.
Speaker A:Or like, how, like, that was being chosen, but I just thought that was weird.
Speaker B:It is interesting.
Speaker B:Or maybe they're more easily persuaded.
Speaker B:It just depends.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe it's a personality trait.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut though, to thank fucking God.
Speaker B:We cut back to Sam and Dean on the water where Dean is finally going to tell Sam the secret that the asshole dad gave them before.
Speaker B:Gave him before he died.
Speaker B:So anyways, basically that.
Speaker B:It's just that.
Speaker B:But it's like, totally, like, not an impressive secret really.
Speaker B:I thought it's kind of a.
Speaker B:Kind of anticlimactic.
Speaker B:Other than implying that he might have to kill his brother.
Speaker A:I think playing that you have to kill your brother is you.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:I think John said, you're gonna have to kill your brother.
Speaker A:Like, it was, you need to keep an eye on him and like, that secret.
Speaker A:He didn't talk to him for that long.
Speaker A:I think he just said, you're gonna have to kill your brother also.
Speaker A:What the fuck, dad?
Speaker A:Like, you can't tell, like, what you have to kill your brother.
Speaker A:Fuck you, John.
Speaker A:Like, don't put that kind of guilt on anybody, you fucking dick.
Speaker B:Yeah, nothing else matters.
Speaker B:If you don't save him, you might have to kill him is basically what he said.
Speaker B:That's like, okay.
Speaker B:And Sam's pissed.
Speaker B:Like, duh.
Speaker B:But he's like, what, you just think I'm gonna turn to the dark side?
Speaker B:Me bad.
Speaker B:You just should have told me about this right away.
Speaker B:And so Sam's pretty much like, this is how it sets off the spiral of Sam being obsessed with being concerned about tracking everything down because he doesn't want to turn bad.
Speaker B:And then Dean's mad because he's like, I just wish I hadn't been told this.
Speaker B:Like, which is fair too.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:So Sam wants to go on a mission to figure out where this all comes from and what the.
Speaker B:What this all means.
Speaker B:Like, what.
Speaker B:What is the plan that the Yellow Eyes has for him?
Speaker B:Dean's like, that we need to go to lay low.
Speaker B:Let's go to, like.
Speaker B:Let's go somewhere.
Speaker A:Well, and also, like, so clearly.
Speaker A:And I guess, like, you know John probably.
Speaker A:I guess the implication is that John got this information from old Yellow Eyes.
Speaker A:But I mean, so, like, he just basically gave Dean some, like, vague information that he kind of knew but didn't really know, didn't give him anything else.
Speaker A:Like, what.
Speaker B:What is and would torment.
Speaker B:And so like, oh, it sounds like just like an asshole demon move.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like, there's no plan of action there's nothing that says like this is how you're going to know is Sam is turning dark side.
Speaker A:Like there's nothing just like.
Speaker A:Like, hey.
Speaker A:He like, what.
Speaker A:What do you.
Speaker A:What did John know?
Speaker A:Like I don't know the whole situation.
Speaker A:I think it's like you got some vague drama and then you pass that on and.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, so the boys are fighting now.
Speaker A:And even though Sam doesn't want to go bad, he steals a car.
Speaker B:Well, we cut to the scene and we see him sneaking.
Speaker B:We see Sam sneaking.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We see the scene play out with Sam sneaking out of a hotel with a backpack, breaks into a car.
Speaker B:And he's going to this address that's written on a piece of stationery from the Blue Rose Motel.
Speaker B:And he goes.
Speaker B:This boarded up house that's real creepy.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, this seems like a terrible plan by yourself, dude.
Speaker B:But okay.
Speaker B:And he picks the lock and I'm like.
Speaker B:And my first thought was why the is this door locked?
Speaker B:This house like boarded up?
Speaker B:Like obviously this up.
Speaker B:Like, come on now, this is an abandoned property.
Speaker B:And then he opens the door and I'm like, well, this is even more dumb.
Speaker B:There's no way that door was locked because there's graffiti everywhere.
Speaker B:This is stupid.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Sorry, that's just picking on a detail.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And then as he's like walking, like walks into like this house, looking around, he hits a trip wire and a grenade.
Speaker B:He sees a grenade and then he gets blown up.
Speaker B:And you see a bloody boot on the ground.
Speaker B:And then you realize he cuts to a woman laying in bed with her.
Speaker B:We find later it's fiance and she just calls it a nightmare.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, I just had a nightmare.
Speaker B:You know, wakes up all upset.
Speaker B:So now we know that she just had the vision of Sam's death instead of Sam actually being dead.
Speaker B:So we cut to Ellen's roadhouse.
Speaker B:Roadhouse.
Speaker A:Roadhouse.
Speaker B:And Sam walks in.
Speaker B:He actually did leave Dean.
Speaker B:That was accurate.
Speaker B:So he did steal a car and go leave Dean.
Speaker B:That was probably the part of the vision, but it happened as well.
Speaker B:And he finds out from Ellen that Joe has gone out on her own as a hunter.
Speaker B:She's been gone for weeks.
Speaker B:She gets postcards periodically.
Speaker B:And that's it.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, oh shit.
Speaker B:You don't blame us, right?
Speaker B:And she's like, I kind of want to blame you guys, but I know I can't.
Speaker B:It's not your fault.
Speaker B:You know, this is.
Speaker B:You know, I forget.
Speaker B:It's not Yalls fault.
Speaker B:And I forgave your dad a long time ago.
Speaker B:I'm not holding anything against any of you.
Speaker B:He wants to know more about the story about what happened with his dad.
Speaker B:But of course she won't tell him because she.
Speaker B:I'm gonna tell him that.
Speaker B:But yeah, it was an interesting plot.
Speaker A:Device because Ellen asked Sam what happened and he changed the subject.
Speaker A:And then Sam asked Ellen something and then she also changed the subject.
Speaker A:So I thought that was an interesting.
Speaker B:They're both hiding things and they both use the same tool to do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So Sam gets.
Speaker B:Gets with your.
Speaker B:Your doctor Badass, your buddy Ash, and says that he wants to look for other psychics like him.
Speaker B:There's not, like, a lot of parameters, but Ashton think there were.
Speaker B:But Sam gives him a few more and he narrows it down to four people in the country.
Speaker B:3.
Speaker A:Sorry, I'm gonna pause you because there was a deleted scene and there was more.
Speaker A:I could have had more Ash.
Speaker A:And they cut it and I'm so mad.
Speaker A:I was like, wait, there was more ash and you took it out?
Speaker A:So I should have sent you this earlier so we could act it out.
Speaker A:But in this scene.
Speaker A:All right, so basically it's Ash trying to get a date.
Speaker A:So it starts off with a girl is playing pool.
Speaker A:She leans over the table lighting up her shot as Ash approaches.
Speaker A:And Ash says, girl, I'm gonna take you to Waffle House.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:And then there's some other things that happened, but I just wanted to say if I got.
Speaker A:If Ash, if you wanted to take me to Waffle House.
Speaker B:House.
Speaker A:I'd be down.
Speaker A:We'd be getting some.
Speaker A:Smothered and covered.
Speaker A:Yeah, it would be happening.
Speaker B:I was gonna ask if you'd get it smothered and covered.
Speaker A:Of course we would be smothered and covered all through that.
Speaker A:Waffle House.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:I didn't mean to distract you.
Speaker A:So there's four There.
Speaker A:There's four people, like, who fit the three of us.
Speaker B:Three of them they've already identified.
Speaker B:And then the other one is.
Speaker B:This is Scott, but his location is a cemetery plot.
Speaker B:And so that's the guy we saw get killed at the beginning of the episode.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But he was.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker B:They say he was just stabbed in a parking lot last month.
Speaker B:Ellen wants to tell Dean where Sam is.
Speaker B:Sam asks her not to.
Speaker B:Obviously, she's going to later, but that's okay.
Speaker A:Well, I also was like, Ellen is like, you know, I have to call Dean.
Speaker A:I'm like, do you like, what.
Speaker A:Why is this Your business, Ellen.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, I get, like, you're kind of getting involved in their lives now, but are you guys this close now that you need to call Dean?
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker B:Well, she just realizes that it's not safe for one of them to be running out without the other.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker B:That's what I think, because she knows hunters and she knows their dad.
Speaker B:And I think that she probably thinks that she's doing something for John's wishes to keep them together.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And then she always wants to know where her family is.
Speaker B:So she kind of gets like that.
Speaker B:Like, her daughter ran off, and she'd want someone to tell her.
Speaker B:You know, I think that's kind of like the whole thing.
Speaker B:But it is kind of still weird because there's a weird, like, hunter code, I guess, or whatever.
Speaker B:Anyways, so we cut to Sam talking.
Speaker B:Talking to Scott's dad and claiming that he was a high school classmate of.
Speaker B:Of Scotty's.
Speaker B:His dad calls him, so I call him Scotty.
Speaker B:The rest of my notes.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, Sam is still driving that same stolen car.
Speaker B:Seems very unwise.
Speaker B:You could have changed that.
Speaker A:Seems like a terrible idea.
Speaker A:Bad.
Speaker A:Bad criminal.
Speaker A:Switch out your stolen car, man.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyway, so he starts talking, and he gets dad to start talking about how, like, in the last year that Scott started having headaches, depression, and nightmares, and he just kind of, like, emotionally shut down and spent a lot of time in his room.
Speaker B:So Sam weirdly gets permission to go to this kid, this guy's room, and goes in there and finds, like, all these prescriptions on the nightstand.
Speaker B:He grabs one of them for the doctor name, and then he opens the closet, and we find out that Scott's really into arts and crafts.
Speaker B:Collage and mixed media is his favorite style.
Speaker B:And he has an entire collage of yellow eyeballs on his wall.
Speaker B:It's very, very, very.
Speaker B:What was that?
Speaker B:Was it Mad Love?
Speaker B:Was that that movie with Drew Barrymore where she cut out all the eyes of all the magazines?
Speaker B:Anyways, yeah.
Speaker A:Also, he did not hide these well.
Speaker B:They were very obvious behind his clothes.
Speaker B:They were uplit.
Speaker B:Like, it was.
Speaker A:I was like, so, dad, like, I guess we all deal with things differently.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, I mean, I guess he never, like, went and opened this closet door.
Speaker A:I've been like, huh, There's a bunch of weird, weird yellow eyes here.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That seems strange, but.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So from there, we cut back and ends up that Sam is now checked into the Blue Rose Motel, which is the name of the motel that was on the stationary that was in the vision that the chick had.
Speaker B:And he can tell he's being followed or you can kind of feel it.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, the chick, Ava, we find out her name is that had the nightmare shows up.
Speaker B:So she's trying to, like, explain, which it's kind of funny watching someone else try to explain to one of the Winchester brothers that they're not crazy or on drugs and tell them what's actually happening.
Speaker B:And so she's explained that.
Speaker B:She's like, you're in danger.
Speaker B:I'm not insane.
Speaker B:I'm not high, and you're gonna die.
Speaker A:You in danger, girl.
Speaker B:You in danger.
Speaker B:So, yeah, and.
Speaker B:And so he kind of delves into it.
Speaker B:He's like, no, no, I believe you.
Speaker B:And she's like, what?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:But basically, a year ago, she had started having headaches and nightmares.
Speaker B:She saw the guy get stabbed in a parking lot days before it happened, and then saw it and then saw it in the news.
Speaker B:So basically, her dreams are coming true.
Speaker B:It's very upsetting.
Speaker B:And then she had tells him that.
Speaker B:She's like, I had one about you.
Speaker B:I saw you die.
Speaker B:Which I thought that I saw.
Speaker B:I wrote down, I saw you die.
Speaker B:I thought that was like, heebie jeebie moment.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And she googled.
Speaker B:And she had.
Speaker B:In the vision, she had seen the name of the motel on the stationary.
Speaker B:And that's how she found him, because she googled it.
Speaker B:So he tries to explain to her that he has visions too, but now she thinks he's insane.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, I have.
Speaker B:The tables have turned.
Speaker B:But he realized that she doesn't fit the pattern.
Speaker B:Like, none of the things about her fit the pattern for old yellow eyes as plans.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he's telling her that she is part of the Psychic Friends Club.
Speaker A:And so speaking of psychics.
Speaker A:Okay, so tried really hard to figure out where our lore for this episode should come from.
Speaker A:There's a number of things, but, you know, it's like, you know, let's start looking around on psychics.
Speaker A:And it's really hard to Google things without getting just websites, People who want to, you know, take my money to get my fortune ready.
Speaker A:But I want to talk about the original Ms. Cleo.
Speaker A:So it's time for lore.
Speaker B:Lore, Lore.
Speaker A:It seems early, but, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:So it's lore time.
Speaker A:So we're going to talk about who.
Speaker A:And I'm disaffectionately calling her the original Ms. Cleo.
Speaker A:She was not.
Speaker A:For those of you who don't know, the Ms. Cleo reference.
Speaker A:Well, fuck you.
Speaker A:Go look it up.
Speaker B:Like, were you alive in the 90s?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, and there.
Speaker A:There are a lot of kids now who would not.
Speaker A:If I went to them and I said, call me now, they'd be like, what?
Speaker A:And they'd also be like, why would I call you?
Speaker B:I'll just text you.
Speaker A:I'll send you a Snapchat.
Speaker B:So can you show me how to use Snapchat?
Speaker B:That'd be really great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, we're like, you can get on my TikTok.
Speaker A:No, I'm an old lady.
Speaker A:I don't do that.
Speaker A:But this is also going to give me a chance to use some French accents again.
Speaker A:And we all love my French accents.
Speaker A:You know, they're the best.
Speaker A:So we are going back to Diane.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, oh, no.
Speaker A:We're going through this again.
Speaker A:All right, so we're going to France to the late.
Speaker A: oing to start off in the late: Speaker A:I don't know, we're just going to call her Little Marned for the rest of this.
Speaker A:I went and, like, looked up the pronunciation, and it was full of so much hacking and other things.
Speaker A:I was like, I. I can't.
Speaker A:So her name is gonna.
Speaker A:It's L, E, N O, R, M A, N D, Sybil.
Speaker A:That's like Little Mond.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:Well, it's gonna go with that.
Speaker A: So she was born in: Speaker A:If you could also find her references, Les Normand.
Speaker A:Like, in two separate words.
Speaker A:Because she.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:That's what she wanted to call herself.
Speaker A:So she was like, in my books, call me Les Normand.
Speaker A:So she was orphaned when she was five, and her stepfather sent her off to convents because he wanted to prepare for a new family.
Speaker A:So he was like, I need to get.
Speaker A:Like, she had two other siblings, too.
Speaker A:He's like, I need to get you out of the way.
Speaker A:So at that time, you know, what do you do?
Speaker A:You go to a Benedictine convent.
Speaker A:And according to sources, some of which may have been her, that she started getting, you know, visions and sights of the future, you know, when she was a kid and she could tell when other students were going to get in trouble.
Speaker A:She also, sorry, there's a cat trying to get into the wine, which is not acceptable.
Speaker A:So she also said that she predicted when the abbess and the convent was going to be replaced.
Speaker A:That happened through the king.
Speaker A:So all this stuff is great.
Speaker A: years old, and this is: Speaker A:And she's like, I want to go to Paris.
Speaker A:And they're like, well, your stepfather's there.
Speaker A:I guess that's fine.
Speaker A:And so he's paying for you to be here.
Speaker A:Anyways, so she gets sent off to Paris.
Speaker A:And one of the things that's really annoying and all, like, the research I read on her, which is not a lot, because there's a lot of controversy about what's real, what's not, because a lot of it she wrote herself.
Speaker A:But they're always like.
Speaker A:She was pudgy and plain.
Speaker A:I'm like, this isn't coming again.
Speaker A:I was just like, quit fat shaming this girl.
Speaker A:But it's like, one thing.
Speaker A:It's like at 14, she was pudgy and playing and wanting to go to Paris.
Speaker A:I'm like, what?
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What does that have to do.
Speaker A:Okay, so poor little short, fat girl got.
Speaker A:She goes to Paris, and her stepfather gets her job at a.
Speaker A:In a milliner shop.
Speaker A:I know what millinery is.
Speaker A:I'm a costume designer.
Speaker B:It's not an easy word.
Speaker B:It's a weird word.
Speaker A:It is not.
Speaker A:It's a hard word to say.
Speaker A:But basically, if you don't know, they make hats.
Speaker A:So she basically starts working in there, and everybody really liked her.
Speaker A: e, oh, my God, you know, late: Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker A:Like, that sounds like a great job.
Speaker A:But she was also learning, like, business skills.
Speaker A:She learned math and how to do bookkeeping and all this stuff.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So this is another one where this comes in where someone was fat shaming her.
Speaker A:So one article says, besides being somewhat heavyset, Little Mon was short of stature and nondescript.
Speaker A:And as a pragmatic young woman, she decided not to depend on marriage as a way to support herself.
Speaker A:Which is also why, like, I really admire her.
Speaker A:Like, she's shady as fuck.
Speaker A:She is very much a charlatan.
Speaker B:Like, fuck all y' all motherfuckers.
Speaker A:But she's just like, yeah, no one's gonna marry me.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just gonna boss ass bitch for myself.
Speaker A:So she decided she wanted to further her psychic gifts.
Speaker A:And a lot.
Speaker A:Like, again, a lot of us, according to her.
Speaker A:So according to her, when she was the convent, she had the access to all these libraries.
Speaker A:And so she was reading up on the Greek and the Roman oracles, the prophets of the Babylonians and Druids.
Speaker A:Of Europe.
Speaker A:And so now she's in Paris and she wants to learn more about dream interpretation, horoscopes, the Kabbalah.
Speaker A:And one article said, you know, while she made a point of learning palm reading or chiromancy, which I think is the head one or is that palms?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Palm reading or chiromancy?
Speaker A:She rejected such current fads as reading coffee grounds and egg whites, as well as the reading of occult cards such as the tarot, which I'm gonna get to in a second.
Speaker A:But I also want to just bring out that egg whites as a divination tool.
Speaker A:So, like.
Speaker A:And why, like, the whites and not the yolks?
Speaker A:I'm just picturing people separating, like, chicken eggs.
Speaker A:And I was like, so what did you make, like, an omelet with the rest of it?
Speaker A:Like, what are you.
Speaker A:What are you doing with the rest of this?
Speaker A:Did you eat it afterwards?
Speaker A:And like, what can you divine from an egg white?
Speaker A:I had a lot of questions.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I don't really get it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So while she was like, this is like, oh, she didn't like occult cards like Tarot.
Speaker A:She really gets into cartomancy.
Speaker A:So the idea of just reading cards and as one of her tools.
Speaker A:And so now there is an entire famous.
Speaker A:Famous, I guess, but, yeah, famous line of divination, which is named after her.
Speaker A:And so you can find the Lunar Mond decks.
Speaker A:And These consist of 36 cards instead of the 78 that are in a normal arcana with the major and the minor arcanas and tarot.
Speaker A:And each of these have an image on them, and they're very specific.
Speaker A:So instead of, you know, being like, oh, we're going to have, like, the scales and the swords and the other things that relate to the.
Speaker A:The suits of cards.
Speaker A:These are very specific.
Speaker A:Like, there's like, a writer, a snake, a coffin, the whip.
Speaker A:I love the whip.
Speaker A:There's a fox and a bear and a fish and a cross.
Speaker A:There's no cat, though.
Speaker A:And I was very disappointed.
Speaker A:I'm like, you're gonna have, like, all these things there.
Speaker A:Why don't you have a cat?
Speaker A:Because I guess it would probably be like, that's just like the shade card or the one you're like, I just don't give a fuck.
Speaker A:And it's just like a picture of someone, like, knocking things off.
Speaker A:Like, someone's just gonna come knock shit off your table.
Speaker A:That would be the cat card.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:There's like, someone is just gonna.
Speaker A:The no fucks giving card or someone's just gonna ignore you.
Speaker A:And like, you know, but if I made a card, I would definitely need a cat card.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so there's a whole thing that's come after this.
Speaker A: vented in Germany in the late: Speaker A:So but theoretically she was using this deck as part of what she was doing her divination with, but she combined a bunch of stuff.
Speaker A:So she sets up her own business as a seeress and she's working on the Rue de Tondo and there's a sign on the door and it says bookseller.
Speaker A:But she wasn't selling books.
Speaker A:I guess she couldn't just put like profit.
Speaker A:And at that time you spend like second greetings $5 and with a picture with palm on it, I guess you.
Speaker B:Couldn't like all over my neighborhood.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:But she also said all this like after they died.
Speaker A:So she was like, yeah, I predicted that Marat was gon get headed here.
Speaker A:But yeah, I saw that like totally.
Speaker A:It's here in my book.
Speaker A:Can't you tell?
Speaker A:And also, you know, she received a lot of letters from prisons.
Speaker A:The bus knowing the Bastille, which if you know, that's where during the French Revolution the aristocrats got sent to be beheaded.
Speaker A: And one of these in: Speaker A:Duke Day.
Speaker A:Fuck Bo Boharnay B E A U H R A It's just like I.
Speaker B:Just saw that come in like when you started, I'm like, see where this goes?
Speaker B:And then you just bust out saying fuck in the middle of the night.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, Booharnay, I appreciate your effort.
Speaker A:So Rose was the wife of a general who had come under suspicion during the reign of terror and was now imprisoned in Paris in the battle Bastille.
Speaker A:She wrote back to this woman stating that she would suffer terrible calamity but she'd survive and that her future would be half that she would get another husband.
Speaker A:And Rose had received a similar prediction from a fortune teller, Martinique, where she came from many years before her husband was guillotined on July 23rd.
Speaker A:Unfortunately for him.
Speaker A:The Reign of Terror ended a couple of days later because that's where Rose Beer was killed and she was released from prison.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:So she became really good friends with the Empress Josephine before she was an empress.
Speaker A:There are other versions of this.
Speaker A:In one, she was actually in prison herself for conspiring to break Marie Antoinette out of prison.
Speaker A:But like I said, there's two versions.
Speaker A:One that Josephine wrote to her, or the other one that they met in prison, and that's when she did the prediction.
Speaker A:So, but either way, Little mom becomes a very popular reader for the ladies of both the Bourbon and the Napoleonic courts and for various politicians.
Speaker A:They also say that the chief of police and another.
Speaker A:And the prince, some French prince, was also consulting her.
Speaker A:But they're like, you know, probably she was not.
Speaker A:They were probably not relying on her for clairvoyance.
Speaker A:We're like, hey, you're talking to all the people of court, and you probably have a lot of juicy secrets.
Speaker A:And, you know, she's like, yeah, of course I have juicy secrets.
Speaker A:I like, all these women are, like, coming to me.
Speaker A:So really, I mean, like, wealthy women.
Speaker A:Arista Katz, everybody.
Speaker A:We're just going to her salon.
Speaker A:And there was, you know, many hours to wait to get in, and people would pay top dollars just to see her.
Speaker A:There's also reports that carriages are parked in front of her door every day of the week.
Speaker A:And at times, the crowd was so big that the police would have to come pick it up.
Speaker A:So angry French police, which is always like, you must move on.
Speaker A:You cannot lock your carriage here.
Speaker B:I just, like, stoked about, like, what a saleswoman she is.
Speaker B:Fucking hustler.
Speaker A:Yeah, she is a fucking hustler.
Speaker A:And so the first thing I want to talk about, why she was a shady badass.
Speaker A:I'm just like, oh, I appreciate your hustle and your shade.
Speaker A:So one, it was claimed that she predicted the divorce of Napoleon and Josephine.
Speaker A:Most impressively, this claim was made by her.
Speaker A: She said, you know, hey, in: Speaker A:And this is true.
Speaker A:She did write a horoscope for Napoleon.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:But more than likely, Napoleon had her arrested because the whole, like, Josephine would not make decisions without her.
Speaker A:So anytime she had a crisis of consciousness or Anything she wanted to know, she would consult Linda Mara, and she'd be like, oh, let me know.
Speaker A:So more than likely, Napoleon was like, shit, I'm going to divorce her.
Speaker A:So I need to get this bitch out of the way so I can get through.
Speaker A:So whatever.
Speaker A:Whatever deviousness this woman's doing won't be in the way.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So in the first book that Lenormand wrote, it's called Les Souvenirs Prophetiques de Once.
Speaker A:Whatever, actually, She wrote what she called an accurate extract of the horoscope.
Speaker A: ook was actually published in: Speaker A:And Napoleon was an Elba, so he was banished to an island, Josephine's den.
Speaker A:She writes a book, and she's like, bitch, I predicted this all.
Speaker A:I had it all.
Speaker B:Told him it was coming.
Speaker B:Told him it was coming.
Speaker A:Look here.
Speaker A:And she was like, look, here is the horoscope.
Speaker A:And it was edited because there were some writing mistakes.
Speaker A:So, you know, she had to fix some things because her handwriting was hard to read.
Speaker A: So, you know, in late: Speaker A:From Josephine, there was already talk throughout the court that they were having marriage troubles and they're going to divorce.
Speaker A:And so, like any good fortune teller, it's like, oh, I should put this in here, because this is gonna happen.
Speaker A:But, yeah, her main claim is that she predicted the time frame because it's like 24 moons or like, basically says, when I write this to.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:But luckily, I said some things were edited after the fact, so the timeline was something that probably would have gone there.
Speaker A:And we do know that Josephine in Josephine was informed in November that the divorce was going to go ahead.
Speaker A:And she likely contacted Marie, like, immediately, was like, oh, my God, husband's gonna leave me.
Speaker A:What do I do?
Speaker A:And then she's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Your husband dismissed me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A: hed a horoscope, you know, in: Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But even though after.
Speaker A:So even though she was part of the Napoleonic court, she still retained her celebrity status.
Speaker A:A lot of it's because she's like, hey, I have this book here.
Speaker A:And, you know, really, I predicted all these things.
Speaker A:All these French people are dead.
Speaker A:So, Pam, keep Coming to me.
Speaker A:Keep sending money.
Speaker A:She also wrote, like, a memoir of her and Josephine's friendship.
Speaker A:And one of Josephine's sisters is like, this is complete and utter trash.
Speaker A:Like, this is nothing to do with, like, what was going on, but.
Speaker A:But for you just feeling, like, cool, like, you want to do all the scoop on Josephine, I have it.
Speaker A:I was a personal advisor.
Speaker A:Buy my book.
Speaker A:Buy my book.
Speaker A:Call me now.
Speaker A:Right, so the other one that.
Speaker A:The other case of her being a super shady, like, was the Edinburgh letters and Edinburgh depending.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I can learn some good Scottish shit here, too.
Speaker B:All right, Got French and Scottish tonight.
Speaker A:All of my best accents are just going to come to the fort.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:If you've been, like, watching, like, a ton of RuPaul's Drag Race, you're just like, this sounds like a total drag name.
Speaker A:My drag name is Fortunata, so if I ever go in drag, that'll be my name.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:Basically, while wars are going on between the English, the English and the French, occasionally the English would be over in France, and then they'd be like, you're not a prisoner of war.
Speaker A:And sometimes they would actually be prisoners, or other times they were just, you just can't go back to England.
Speaker A:You have to stay here.
Speaker A:So this chick marries him, but she was already, like, going to Litterman for advice and just had become really good friends with him.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:Once they get married, she's like, oh, you have to go to Marie for a reading.
Speaker A:And Marie is like, you know, you're going to have a brilliant fortune, but you're going to have to go through some trials and tribulations first.
Speaker A:So one fact that Marie had probably been made well aware of was that Humphrey's mom had told him that he was a descendant of Sir William Alexander, the 1st Earling, the 1st Earl of Stirling in Scotland.
Speaker B:And early makes sense.
Speaker A:Early makes sense, yeah.
Speaker A:And so as a part of that, like, their family was supposed to be entitled to huge tracts of land in Canada, U.S. and Scotland.
Speaker A:So he comes to Lenormand with, you know, for the reading, and she's like, she kind of has likely had this information in her back pocket.
Speaker A:And I was like, you know, you're gonna become famous.
Speaker A:You're gonna have to go through some shit.
Speaker A:And he was like, wait, I'M supposed to be an Earl.
Speaker A:This just confirms it.
Speaker A:All right, we're gonna make me an Earl.
Speaker A:So he starts, you know, going, going and trying to prove all this stuff.
Speaker A:So one of the problems was that with this title, there was a stipulation that the inheritance had to pass through the male one.
Speaker A:So even though his mom was.
Speaker A:Even if she was a descendant, she's.
Speaker B:Not in her blood, she's not a male, so didn't follow her bloodline.
Speaker A:She's not a man.
Speaker A: ter of Novodamus, was made in: Speaker A:I was said to have altered this condition to allow heir female to take up the peerage and grants of land.
Speaker A:But unfortunately, it was stolen.
Speaker A:So nobody had a copy of the original book.
Speaker B:So weird when that happens.
Speaker A:So weird.
Speaker A:But so lucky for Humphries, he found a copy of it, an origin that said, oh, no, this is real.
Speaker A:So lucky for him.
Speaker B:So lucky.
Speaker A:I know you're gonna find he's got a lot of luck, man.
Speaker A:Just the luckiest man that ever existed.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:He's going through all these things to make him the heir.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But, you know, lawyers and all this shit aren't free.
Speaker A:So one of the ways that he is doing this is he's taking loans on his inheritance.
Speaker A:Basically saying, like, hey, I could take, like, if you loan me £13,000, I'll give you £50,000 when I get my inheritance.
Speaker A:And they're like, oh, cool.
Speaker A:So people are giving him money to fight for this.
Speaker A:So people, rich people get away with everything is probably one of the things.
Speaker A:They're running themes that make him out of it.
Speaker A:So he basically starts throwing off his stuff, and they're like, okay, cool.
Speaker A:You are heir.
Speaker A:You're gonna be the first Earl of Sterling.
Speaker A:And, you know, sure, maybe you're gonna get this land.
Speaker A:So Humphreys, like, is now, like, this point just, like, selling off his land.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But there were some people who objected to it.
Speaker A:Like, you know, the people who lived on it.
Speaker A:And they're like, hey, there's this huge part of Canada, like, it's mine come by, and people are living there like, but, but.
Speaker A:But I own this, okay?
Speaker A:Like, you can't.
Speaker A:And like, especially, like, Canada and us are far off, but the people in Scotland are like, whoa, bitch.
Speaker A:Like, no, no, no, you don't get to own my land.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They hire a very angry Scottish, and they're like, no, fuck you, sir.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker A:You whore.
Speaker A:This is my favorite thing to say in my Scottish accent, you whore, you cannot have this land.
Speaker A: So but In December, in: Speaker A:And they stripped him of his quote unquote title.
Speaker A:And he said he fed, he fled to Paris under a false name and a false passenger passport.
Speaker A:So he's there from.
Speaker A: While he's there from: Speaker B:Of course he was, yeah.
Speaker A:And one of the porters at our house was just like, yeah man, he was there like two hours every night and he was like, no, no, I wasn't there.
Speaker A:Like, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker A:But you know, she did ask me to come visit her this one night.
Speaker A:It was a specific night.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And you know, like, I just got this map, you know, it was left to my office by like these two well dressed ladies and they came to have their fortunes told, but she didn't know their names because they gave them honesty because, you know, they're rich women and they didn't want to leave their.
Speaker B:Names, of course, that'd be too convenient.
Speaker A:And also like within there there was a letter anonymously saying that the sender like held a high position which made it necessary for them to withhold their identity.
Speaker A:His or her.
Speaker A:It could be women, could be a man, we don't know.
Speaker A:But they understood that little Mond had a great obligation to Humphreys.
Speaker A:So they thought like, you know, hey, this could be useful, you should have this.
Speaker A:And there are a lot of things back and forth that are going.
Speaker A:So the map itself was genuine.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A: It's an actual map made in: Speaker A:It really is of Canada.
Speaker B:Woohoo.
Speaker A:We got a map of Canada and they're probably.
Speaker A:This is where you go get your poutine.
Speaker A:This is where Celine Dion's gonna be married.
Speaker B:This is where the Mounties hang out.
Speaker A:The Mounties are gonna be over here, you know, so.
Speaker A:But all like the hand notes and the other things that were glued to the back of the map, you know, those were never actually shown to be, to be real.
Speaker A:There were actually some things that proved them to be quite vague, including just, they just basically took to some people who were like no, no, this shit's not real.
Speaker A:So basically when Humphrey submitted this and also some other documents that he luckily found to stake his claim, the Scotland authorities are like, you know, something smells a little fishy.
Speaker A:Wait, that's.
Speaker A:No, that became Irish.
Speaker A:I don't, I can't do.
Speaker B:Yeah, I felt weird.
Speaker A:I don't know what fishing is.
Speaker A:And fishy.
Speaker A:No, I don't know.
Speaker A:Haggis.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna say haggis over and over again.
Speaker A:Freedom.
Speaker B:Freedom and haggis.
Speaker A:Freedom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he's, you know, they basically then like Larman is getting called into the police and they're like how did you get this map?
Speaker A:And she's like I told, told you these two ladies like left it there.
Speaker B:And like obviously.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And so eventually Humphreys was actually arrested.
Speaker A:So they arrest this guy and they search his house and the Crown agents.
Speaker A:I love the game like Agents of the Crown which sounds like the most like badass detectives ever.
Speaker A:And you know they were not.
Speaker A:It was just, you know, it was just Bob.
Speaker A:So you know, Bob is there but while they're there they find these buttload of letters between Humphreys and Lenormand and also a private financial deed that said he would pay her 400,000 francs plus interest at 5% from the date of the agreement.
Speaker A:So this kind of goes back.
Speaker B:So she may have had a, like may have had a vested interest in him becoming.
Speaker A:She may have had a vested interest.
Speaker A:So what's interesting about this is that Humphreys actually says, oh no, she just loaned me all this money and that's why that is there.
Speaker A:So they actually think that agreement was something that was planted by Humphreys.
Speaker A:So it can't just be like this verbal agreement.
Speaker A:Like this is why like we're friends.
Speaker A:It was just she owed me money.
Speaker A:This is why like money has been going back and forth between us.
Speaker A:Not because she is helping me forge things to get my inheritance.
Speaker A: brought to trial in April of: Speaker A:And then the letters they found between them were put and put into court to be like this proof that all this shit's faked.
Speaker A:So he had a lot of friends that were in the court in likely on luxury because he was real rich.
Speaker A:So the jury is like, you know this charter we get, yeah, it was forged but we can't prove that Humphreys did it.
Speaker A:And they're like, well this map, like the map is real.
Speaker A:But we can't prove that.
Speaker A:The other things are that the notes are forged.
Speaker A:And all your other documents, we can't prove they're forged.
Speaker A:So they say that Humphrey faints like the little bitch that he was.
Speaker A:He was carried out of the courtroom but while he was gone, the judge just dropped all the charges against him.
Speaker B:So he goes, so wait, he fainted like a.
Speaker B:And got charges dropped?
Speaker B:Like that's some, like that is some.
Speaker A:This is some rich.
Speaker B:He found like a.
Speaker B:Before they even came out the verdict.
Speaker B:Like if they found him guilty and like, like had some crazy ass sentencing.
Speaker B:Okay, but no, just painted like a bitch just because.
Speaker B:Oh y' all said mean things about me and I might get in trouble my faint now.
Speaker A:So basically he gets off scot free.
Speaker A:He doesn't get his title.
Speaker A:His title.
Speaker A:He doesn't get his title.
Speaker A:But you know, he also like has all this like.
Speaker A:I'm sure I can delve further into this.
Speaker A:Apparently this case is very well known in Scotland, but it's not well known anywhere else.
Speaker A:But this is like there was like a 30 year old like ongoing thing.
Speaker A:It's like the arguments of this land.
Speaker A:So I didn't know what happened with all the money that he borrowed from people.
Speaker A:I was assuming they didn't get paid back.
Speaker A:That's just, that's just my thought.
Speaker B:Yeah, he didn't have a lot of friends after this, but he probably also did not return their money.
Speaker A:Well, I mean I think he probably had friends until he lost all his money.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so that I am curious, like once you're like you're no longer, you're not a lord, you don't have any money.
Speaker A:And it's hard to maintain friends when you don't, you know.
Speaker A:Well, you can maintain friends if you're a normal person, but those type of friends you can't maintain if you don't.
Speaker B:Have the friends that you bought.
Speaker B:Bought are hard to maintain when you, when you bought them with your fake prestige and promises of wealth.
Speaker B:It's hard to maintain those friendships when you don't have those things anymore.
Speaker A:So basically like she doesn't get charged, she doesn't.
Speaker A:He doesn't go to jail.
Speaker A:Like everybody is free.
Speaker A: ke a few years after this, in: Speaker A:She said she was going to live to 125.
Speaker A:Unfortunately for her, that was, that was not the case.
Speaker A:She was in her 70s, which for this time period seems like pretty good for you girl.
Speaker A:Like you may have your 70s.
Speaker B:And that because she never got married.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So when she died, she.
Speaker A:Apparently she was just a rich bitch.
Speaker A:When she died, she'd already given 300,000 francs to one of her nieces and she left another 500,000 francs in.
Speaker A:In land holdings and other shit, which ended up going to her nephew, who apparently was sort of a dick, but he was Lieutenant.
Speaker A:Lieutenant Alexandre Hugo.
Speaker A:Hugo of the French African Army.
Speaker A:So he was a colonizing bitch.
Speaker A:But her funeral was magnificent.
Speaker A:Magnifique.
Speaker B:Magnifique.
Speaker A:Magnifique.
Speaker A:It was magnifique.
Speaker A:It was at the Church of St. Jacques de Haupport.
Speaker A:And he was hung all with white.
Speaker A:And the choir was.
Speaker A:This is what it says, a sumptuous cattle.
Speaker A:I don't know what the cattle.
Speaker A:Fox is a cattle fuck.
Speaker A:C, A, T, A, F, A, L, Q, U, E. So I'm sure that's something French.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:The basil was like draped in all this fabric.
Speaker A:There was candles everywhere.
Speaker A:The funeral car was drawn by four white horses that had silver harnesses and flying streamers.
Speaker A:And it moves slowly down the street.
Speaker A:So mourners and women who are following the carriage and large go behind it.
Speaker A:And her grave in the.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say the name.
Speaker A:Her grave is in a cemetery in Paris.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say the name of the cemetery because I can't.
Speaker A:But it's still.
Speaker A:It's so 10.
Speaker A:Like, people still leave flowers and tributes there to this day.
Speaker A:So you can go there and you can visit her.
Speaker A:Her gravestone.
Speaker A:And I just wanted to leave on like this her story, which is just like one of the things that makes me like, God damn, woman, you were.
Speaker A:You were hardcore.
Speaker A:She once said that.
Speaker A:She once wrote that she heard a voice.
Speaker A:She once heard that one of the people who told her things, but it was actually whoever, if it was a spirit or just her own self telling her this.
Speaker A:She said, no one is excused for lacking courage.
Speaker A:Cowardice must be punished.
Speaker A:Perseverance alone is entitled to the reward, which should be the portion of a sincere friend of his government.
Speaker A:So I thought it was a pretty badass quote.
Speaker A:And she just basically said, you're in this on your own.
Speaker A:You want to be important.
Speaker A:You've got to persevere and work hard.
Speaker A:So she was a badass, shady bitch and her legacy still lives on.
Speaker A:You can buy those.
Speaker A:Like I said, those cards are still an important part of Divination.
Speaker A:And that is the story of the original.
Speaker A:Ms. Cleo.
Speaker B:Got me now, called me now.
Speaker B:I Like it.
Speaker B:So it's interesting, like.
Speaker B:So I've actually been to.
Speaker B:I've only been to one cemetery in Paris.
Speaker B:Because I'm gonna do a quick, quick, quick side story.
Speaker B:I promise I won't take long.
Speaker B:But it's one of my family's favorite stories that we like to tell.
Speaker B:So we went to the one where Jim Morrison's buried and also Chopin and a few.
Speaker B:And I don't remember the name of it because I was fucking 16 years old.
Speaker B:So it was a long time ago.
Speaker B:Sorry guys.
Speaker A:Were you super punk?
Speaker A:Did you have a mohawk when you went?
Speaker B:So I got stopped like at multiple airports.
Speaker B:We had a crazy route to get to there.
Speaker B:And I was wearing my steel toed boots because of course I was.
Speaker B:Because that's what.
Speaker B:That was a good idea to go on international travel.
Speaker B:By the way, it's pain in the ass through metal detectors.
Speaker B:Because this was before you did body scanners.
Speaker B:Everything was a metal detector anyway, so.
Speaker B:And yes, I had short, spiky hair and I smoked my first cigar and I had a beer with my dad and it was really cool.
Speaker B:I had like plaid pants and like vintage T shirts on, very spiky hair and studied everything.
Speaker B:So anyways.
Speaker B:But we went to Jim Morrison's grave because like we was kind of going to the cemetery, saw like the famous graves who were doing that.
Speaker B:We stopped at Jim Morrison's and so it's had like somebody had written the end in cigarette butts at the bottom of the, of the grave.
Speaker B:Which is like, oh, somebody's real clever.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:But the funniest thing was this woman, and I know this was before, like everybody had a digital camera.
Speaker A:I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you there because that's real gross.
Speaker A:Those were not your cigarettes.
Speaker B:You dug through butts and wrote the end.
Speaker B:I didn't do it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:I know, but like whoever.
Speaker A:Whoever that person was.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's disgusting.
Speaker B:Well, I had a guard at it too.
Speaker B:So I don't know, like how maybe they brought them.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But I'm.
Speaker B:This person.
Speaker B:This girl was crying and had a disposable camera in her hand.
Speaker B:And she kept taking a picture and then winding it.
Speaker B:I have to take a picture for each of my friends.
Speaker B:And she kept taking pictures.
Speaker B:I'm like, I know this is like before, like digital cameras, but you could still get like multiple prints of the same photo at this point in time.
Speaker B:This is the fucking 90s.
Speaker B:It was not like, like the dark ages where you're Doing like one.
Speaker B:Even if you did like old ass black and white prints, you could do more than one print of a photo.
Speaker B:And my mom and I did this day.
Speaker B:My mom, like, my mom loves this story.
Speaker B:She tells it all the time because it just cracks her up.
Speaker A:It is though.
Speaker A:It's fucking hysterical.
Speaker A:And it's like, okay, this one's for Bill.
Speaker A:This one's for Maria.
Speaker A:Like, it is like you could take.
Speaker B:One or two and pick the best one.
Speaker B:I mean, this was.
Speaker B:You know, you couldn't have a viewfinder and.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Well, some imagine one or two and you just take it to.
Speaker B:You go to Eckards, which doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker B:And you say, I need 20 of this one.
Speaker B:Like, it's not that hard.
Speaker A:I'm also just imagining the person at Eckers who is developing this.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, there's.
Speaker A:But also somebody at ers had developed all my.
Speaker B:They had an stoned kid that he went to school with working at the photo sections.
Speaker A:Well, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:There's some kid in Eckerds.
Speaker A:Had to develop like multiple pictures that I took at cemeteries.
Speaker A:But they were individual.
Speaker A:Like, they were different ones.
Speaker A:They were artistic pictures.
Speaker B:One person crying or taking picture after picture of the same.
Speaker B:Like they weren't even like moving around and getting different angles.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Like that even might have got a pass.
Speaker B:They were like standing in the same spot crying and taking like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like a whole disposable camera full of photos.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also wish it was like some sort of stop.
Speaker A:Like animation.
Speaker A:She was like changing the end and.
Speaker B:Like making this then I would give them credit then.
Speaker B:But they were crying, so I didn't that.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, there we go.
Speaker A:Cemeteries and tacos.
Speaker A:Like, I guess you can't get cemeteries and cemeteries and baguettes.
Speaker B:There's more like a taco and crepes.
Speaker A:Yes, we'll do that next time we go to France.
Speaker A:All right, so where we were at?
Speaker B:So now we're.
Speaker B:We're Ellen.
Speaker B:So we've got.
Speaker B:Ellen's gonna call Dean and say.
Speaker B:And play off.
Speaker B:I promise I wouldn't tell Sam where you.
Speaker B:Where he was go.
Speaker B:Or wouldn't tell you.
Speaker B:I promised Sam I wouldn't tell you where he was.
Speaker B:But I'm gonna tell you anyways.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker A:Did you notice what was on the pole behind her?
Speaker A:So while she's.
Speaker A:She's basically calling on like the Roadhouse's pay phone or house phone, whatever it is.
Speaker A:And Roadhouse.
Speaker A:And behind her there is like a.
Speaker A:One flyer that says, this is a cult.
Speaker A:Don't be fooled.
Speaker A:And underneath it was a page torn out of yellow pages with ads for psychics and fortune tellers.
Speaker B:That's funny.
Speaker B:I miss that.
Speaker B:That's greatness.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was pretty good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we cut back to Ava and Sam in his motel room.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:Like, just.
Speaker B:She just wants him.
Speaker B:He's like, leave town.
Speaker B:This is stupid.
Speaker B:You're gonna die if you stay here.
Speaker B:And I'm just a secretary from Peoria about to get married.
Speaker B:I don't think we're actually connected in any way, shape or form.
Speaker B:I just happen to have this dream and I just think you should leave town.
Speaker B:Which is kind of like, even more like.
Speaker B:Honestly, it's almost more nonsensical.
Speaker B:There's not a connection.
Speaker B:Like, no, no, I just had this dream, but there's no connection.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't have any psychic shit.
Speaker B:But I just saw this, and you need to leave so you don't die.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, that's weird.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So he talks her into kind of staying to figure it out and help out.
Speaker B:So we see her going to meet Dr. Waxler, who is the doctor we saw in the first scene.
Speaker B:And she's, like, super awkward and nervous.
Speaker B:She is not good at this game that Sam and Dean are so good at about, like, pretending to, like, be people or have whatever they infiltrate.
Speaker B:Shit.
Speaker B:And there's a very weird scene where, like, Sam is on the windowsill, like, trying to sneak in the window.
Speaker B:And then you hear this.
Speaker B:And she, like, gasps.
Speaker B:And you hear, like, this bizarre, like, bird flutter noise.
Speaker B:It's a really weird sound effect.
Speaker B:Very distracting to me.
Speaker B:So much so I had to rewind and listen to it again, anyways.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:So they get back to the motel and basically.
Speaker B:What did she say?
Speaker B:Oh, her suicide attempt, when she had.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker A:I remember when I was a kid, I swallowed, like, eight things of Pop rocks and then drank a whole can of Coke.
Speaker A:You don't think that counts as a suicide attempt?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So I had to look up.
Speaker A:Because this is one of my favorite myths of pop rocks and soda pop.
Speaker A:So the candy processors of pop rocks.
Speaker A:So the basics made them.
Speaker A:The way they work is that the people who invented them figured out that you could trap extra amounts of carbon dioxide inside a sugar.
Speaker A:So when it dissolves in your mouth, that carbon dioxide is released and it makes that sparkling sound.
Speaker A:And so it's just like, drinking soda or beer or whatever.
Speaker A:But a package, an entire package contains Less carbonation than half a can of soda.
Speaker A:And so Adam Savage and Jamie on Mythbusters, I was listening like, mythbusters.
Speaker A: hbusters, they tested this in: Speaker A:And so they poured six cans of soda and six pouches of pop rocks into a pig's stomach, and the stomach grew to three times its original size, but it did not explode.
Speaker A:So they're like, it's busted.
Speaker A:But I'm like, damn, I guess your stomach can explode.
Speaker A:And really did.
Speaker A:And I guess if you go on the website, they're like, all you will get is a healthy belch.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So that's puff rocks and soda.
Speaker A:Try it at home, kids.
Speaker A:See how much you can.
Speaker A:You can ingest and see what happens.
Speaker B:It's a terrible idea.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker A:You're gonna be so sick.
Speaker A:Your stomach is gonna hurt so bad.
Speaker A:Do it anyway.
Speaker A:So gassy.
Speaker A:Do it either.
Speaker A:Eat the pop rocks, drink the soda.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're gonna need a disclaimer.
Speaker B:Disclaimer on this episode.
Speaker B:If you keep telling people to do bad things anyways, call psychic, Eat some pop rocks, drink sodas.
Speaker B:It's all gonna be fine, motherfuckers.
Speaker A:If you're gonna steal a car, steal.
Speaker A:Make sure you steal the second car.
Speaker B:Your car out.
Speaker B:You can't drive the same one too long, but make sure the trunk's loaded with pop rocks and fucking sodas, because you want to be able to slam those non stop the whole way.
Speaker A:They're just like Asher Command committing suicide.
Speaker A:Yeah, and you're buried in a French cemetery, and some chick will take pictures of you over and over again.
Speaker A:Anyway, so we go back to the books.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, it's so exciting that she just did crime.
Speaker B:She's very excited.
Speaker B:She acts all, like, awkward at first.
Speaker B:He's like, are you okay?
Speaker B:She's like, hell, yeah.
Speaker B:That was amazing.
Speaker B:I just hope you seal psychic someone's private psychic files.
Speaker B:Anyway, so they're listening to the tapes.
Speaker B:They start listening to tapes, and as you like, they're doing that.
Speaker B:And you cut.
Speaker B:Dean has just pulled.
Speaker B:Dean has just pulled in the parking lot with baby.
Speaker B:And he sees them and.
Speaker B:And then he's like, oh, damn, I had making some skeezy comics.
Speaker B:He sees a chick as he sees Ava in the room with.
Speaker B:With Sam.
Speaker B:But how did like, Sam was like, looking out the window and he didn't see Dean and baby.
Speaker B:Dumb.
Speaker A:Anyways, Sam's kind of oblivious to, like, important sometimes.
Speaker A:Like, I'm like, oh, nobody's outside.
Speaker A:But I Can't see this giant impala.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My brother's giant impala.
Speaker B:Not just an impala.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:Anyways, so they're listening.
Speaker B:Sam and Ava continue listening to the tape and they hear that.
Speaker B:They hear Scott saying that the yellow eyed man says that he has plans.
Speaker B:There's a war coming and people like me will be the soldiers.
Speaker B:So they're both kind of like, freaking out.
Speaker B:And then I almost jumped off the sofa and scared the dogs because this is the time where somebody has started shooting into their motel room.
Speaker B:So it's a sniper.
Speaker B:You see glass shattering.
Speaker B:And then we cut.
Speaker A:And luckily Sam just ducked down.
Speaker A:Like, right when this was going through through.
Speaker A:Because I was like, how is Gordon missing this?
Speaker A:Like, here?
Speaker A:Like, what, did you take shooting lessons from Sam?
Speaker A:Like, what the.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think he just likes.
Speaker B:He likes sharp things better than long distance sniping maybe.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyway, so it's Gordon.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:And so Dean shows up on the roof where he's trying to snipe Sam from and jumps on him.
Speaker B:They fight, but he knocks.
Speaker A:No, he kicked him in the face.
Speaker A:Like, it was a great face kick.
Speaker A:It was like, boom.
Speaker A:You in the face.
Speaker A:Boom.
Speaker B:Maybe uncomfortable.
Speaker A:I didn't like it.
Speaker B:Anyways, so a few.
Speaker B:Like, we cut to Sam and Ava.
Speaker B:Now they've figured out where the shots were coming from because the shots obviously stopped.
Speaker A:No, this is Detective Sam.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:He finds the casings left behind and he's like, oh.223 subsonic rounds.
Speaker B:They must have been using a suppressor.
Speaker A:Yeah, so he has his detective head.
Speaker A:Da, da, da, detective.
Speaker A:I deduce.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:And she's like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:Why do you know this shit?
Speaker B:And he's like, make some, like, terrible, like, joke about watching a lot of TJ Hooker.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is also a reference that would be lost on the majority of people that exist in this world today.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:I have no idea the last time I saw, like, a TJ Hooker episode.
Speaker B:Or was that one that gets replayed?
Speaker B:I don't even know.
Speaker A:Know.
Speaker B:I don't remember.
Speaker A:I don't look at it.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I think it may have been shattered.
Speaker A:But it was a very popular TV show.
Speaker B:So now that he's getting shot at, now he's gonna break down and call Dean for help.
Speaker B:But as we all know, Dean's been, like, kicked in the goddamn face.
Speaker B:And so he's probably been kidnapped by Gordon.
Speaker B:But Sam doesn't know that.
Speaker B:He thinks he's just finally caving and calling his brother.
Speaker B:So this Is that's.
Speaker B:This is my annoyance with their relationship, you know, like, I do sometimes.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was Shatner.
Speaker A:It was Shatner and Heather Locklear.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A: To: Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Go on.
Speaker A:Fucking town.
Speaker B:So, yeah, Dean.
Speaker B:Dean answers the phone, but you can tell like, I mean, like, obviously he's being like, for us.
Speaker B:He's being held hostage by Gordon.
Speaker B:And Sam can tell because they.
Speaker B:He uses their code word, which is Funky Town, which is also a nickname for Fort Worth, if you want to know your technical.
Speaker B:Yeah, people call Fort Worth Funky Town all the time.
Speaker B:Personally, when I was in Fort Worth, I fucking hated it and thought it was the stupidest.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:I didn't hate for Worth.
Speaker B:I hated the nickname Funky Town.
Speaker B:Stupid.
Speaker A:Did you refer Cowtown?
Speaker B:No, I liked Panther City.
Speaker B:Way cooler.
Speaker B:And that is the only thing before it was.
Speaker B:I didn't make it up.
Speaker A:Is that why your derby name was Panther?
Speaker B:Panther City Princess PCP817.
Speaker A:I did not know that was why you called today.
Speaker A:I learned.
Speaker B:You learned.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's two legends as to why.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so I think, Diana, you need to post a picture of yourself and your roller derby.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:Roller derby gear.
Speaker B:Somebody just posted.
Speaker B:Somebody just like posted an old one, like a flashback one on.
Speaker B:On Facebook the other day of me.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, I'll find one.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And remind me if we have time.
Speaker B:I know we're going long, so I won't.
Speaker B:I won't take down the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Panther City story now, but remind me another day and I will tell you the story of Panther City, which is the baddest ass nickname for a city like Fort Worth.
Speaker B:Way cooler than Cowtown or Funky Town.
Speaker B:But, yeah, maybe if they ever.
Speaker A:If they ever go back to Texas or one.
Speaker A:You can do it, Lore.
Speaker A:I'm Panther City.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:I like it.
Speaker B:So that's their code word.
Speaker B:I like.
Speaker B:I was amused.
Speaker B:That was that.
Speaker B:So anyways, so Dean gives Sam an address and he's writing it, obviously on the fucking Blue Rose Motel notepad, which goes back to the fucking vision.
Speaker B:So we're all here we go circle.
Speaker B:We're seeing the vision happen now, right?
Speaker B:So Dean.
Speaker B:You cut to Dean and Gordon.
Speaker B:And Dean's very amused with himself about how he looks.
Speaker B:Left Gordon tied up when.
Speaker B:After the.
Speaker B:The vampires thing.
Speaker B:And basically Gordon just insists that, like, hey, I'm not a killer.
Speaker B:I'm a hunter.
Speaker B:And Sam is fair game because Sam's gonna turn into a bad guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Ava's trying to Talk.
Speaker B:We come back to Sam and Ava.
Speaker B:Ava's trying to talk Sam out of going after.
Speaker B:Because it's like, look, you're gonna go literally to the address that I saw you die at.
Speaker B:This is a terrible fucking idea.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:Sam's like, too bad.
Speaker A:Gotta go.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:So he sends her home.
Speaker A:Yeah, he does send her away.
Speaker B:A little Volkswagen, and.
Speaker B:Which is very well restored, by the way.
Speaker B:The interior was pretty slick.
Speaker B:He puts her in that.
Speaker B:And he says, I'll call you afterwards.
Speaker B:So we cut back to Gordon and.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Dean.
Speaker B:And basically he's telling some story about.
Speaker B:He was at some exorcism in Louisiana.
Speaker B:And this demon, through the person that was possessed.
Speaker B:Possessed.
Speaker B:Was saying something about the coming war.
Speaker B:And then he's very flippant about the fact that the girl that was possessed just died.
Speaker B:And Dean actually gets kind of mad about that and calls him the son of a bitch.
Speaker B:Which is kind of a funny moment because he calls him the son of a bitch.
Speaker B:Dean calls Gordon the son of a bitch.
Speaker B:And Gordon just like, stops talking, like, very calmly goes over and just like, pops Sam in the.
Speaker B:Dean in the face.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Pops Dean with a rifle.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:He said, don't talk about my mom.
Speaker B:Like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:That's about what you're talking about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think also at this point, Gordon says.
Speaker A:And I'm sorry I quoted the whole thing, but.
Speaker A:So it's like the demons tell me there are soldiers, a fight in this coming war.
Speaker A:Humans fighting on hell side.
Speaker A:You believe that?
Speaker A:I mean, they're psychic, so they're not exactly pure humans.
Speaker A:But still, what kind of worthless scumbag have you got to be to turn against your own race place?
Speaker A:I'm like, what the, dude?
Speaker A:I'm like, that is.
Speaker A:That's damn.
Speaker A:Like, especially coming from a black man to say this.
Speaker A:I'm like, you said this out loud.
Speaker A:And he didn't.
Speaker B:Well, but it goes back to his.
Speaker B:He lives like, not.
Speaker B:Not even talking about.
Speaker B:Not obviously talking about race.
Speaker B:His race or anything.
Speaker B:But he thought he's.
Speaker B:He sees the world very black and white.
Speaker B:There is no gray area in his world.
Speaker B:And we established that when we first met him when him and Dean were talking before.
Speaker B:And that's kind of what Dean was kind of like bonding with them and then started being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker B:This is a little too.
Speaker B:Like, everything's.
Speaker B:There is a gray area a little bit Dean started acknowledging in there.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it's pretty effed up.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:But basically, I also Think, well, sorry, not to harp.
Speaker A:It's interesting that they had a black man say, like, I wonder if it was on purpose that they didn't have a white man had said this.
Speaker A:Like, I think it would have been a very.
Speaker A:Unless it's a very different overtone, but it becomes a much different thing.
Speaker A:Like the out.
Speaker A:The metaphor would probably change and maybe get confused.
Speaker A:And that's why.
Speaker A:I don't know, like, I'm just.
Speaker A:It's a very.
Speaker A:It's a very distinct line, right?
Speaker B:Oh, no, I thought.
Speaker B:I thought it was very distinct, but I didn't take it that way.
Speaker B:I didn't at all.
Speaker B:And that's not.
Speaker B:Just not where my mind went.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:But it is.
Speaker B:I mean, it's a really good observation.
Speaker B:I was going.
Speaker B:It just more to me solidified his perception of there is no gray area.
Speaker B:There's good, there's evil, and that's it.
Speaker B:This is just more of that for him.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't go as.
Speaker B:As deep in the metaphor as you.
Speaker A:Did, but I mean, almost all of you know, I was supernatural as a genre, not supernatural show.
Speaker A:Almost all of the things where you have monsters versus humans, like, all of it generally is some sort of reflection on society.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And so having this be religion or.
Speaker B:Or wars or whatever it may be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, for me, the line to be that specific, it really did make me wonder.
Speaker A:Anyway, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so we get basically the.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's.
Speaker B:That's what the.
Speaker B:Dean, the demon and this possessed girl that now is dead that Gordon didn't seem very concerned about, shared with Dean.
Speaker B:Dean basically says that you're a fucking moron.
Speaker B:You don't know you're talking about.
Speaker B:And Gordon's like, no, I know about Sam's visions.
Speaker B:And Dean tries to cover for it unsuccessfully.
Speaker B:But we get like this little back and forth and basically we, you know, Gordon's like, I've got my own.
Speaker B:You've got your Roadhouse connections.
Speaker B:I've got my own connections.
Speaker B:So now Dean's kind of like processing.
Speaker B:And you see this come in too, that like, has he.
Speaker B:Have they been betrayed by Ellen and the Roadhouse in general?
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But anyways, so Gordon knows.
Speaker B:There's a funny moment.
Speaker B:We do get the admission that Gordon killed Scotty.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, did he.
Speaker B:Had he killed a person yet?
Speaker B:And it's like, no, he just killed a cat.
Speaker B:Mr. Tinkles the cat.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The only victim was Mr. Tinkles the cat dot so Mr. Tinkles rip or poor Mr. Tinkles.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Gordon assumed and figured out that Dean would have warned Sam.
Speaker B:So he tells him his whole plan with the trip wires and everything else and yeah, hahaha, I know this is happening.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyways, so we see Gordon set up the tripwire with the grenade which is from Ava's visions.
Speaker B:Are seeing all this build up to fruition of what she envisioned.
Speaker B:Dean's tied up and is trying to talk Gordon out of this, but he's basically like, Gordon, there's no talking him out of it.
Speaker B:Sam's gonna become a monster and that's it.
Speaker B:So we need to kill him.
Speaker A:Hitler is what?
Speaker A:Basically what Jordan says.
Speaker A:Gordon's like, what?
Speaker A:So if you had like a terrible example first, he said baby Hitler.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's the time.
Speaker B:Just the time traveler event.
Speaker B:Like question that.
Speaker B:Question that everybody has, like, if you could go back in time and you could kill baby Hitler, would you kill him?
Speaker B:Or if you could kill, you know, art.
Speaker B:Art artist Hitler before he was.
Speaker A:Those paintings were awful and he should have been killed for them.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, but also it's like, well, are you taking.
Speaker A:Taking this a little far?
Speaker A:Like you just compared Sam to Hitler.
Speaker B:Like, and I think that's a very flawed ethical conversation.
Speaker B:But that's okay either way.
Speaker A:I think that also shows like Gordon's state of mind.
Speaker A:That this is such a big thing that he is so evil.
Speaker A:He's as bad as Hitler.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, and Gordon just has like.
Speaker B:And like everything that is moderately supernatural influence to him is.
Speaker B:Is an unredeemable.
Speaker B:That's just it.
Speaker B:Totally irredeemable.
Speaker B:If it is.
Speaker B:If it is not 100 human and explainable, it is irredeemable.
Speaker B:And that's it.
Speaker B:And that's Gordon's mindset.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, anyways.
Speaker B:Yeah, so the vision's playing out.
Speaker B:Yeah, the vision is playing out.
Speaker B:Sam gets to the house, we see all that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:And you, you know, your heart sinks a little bit because.
Speaker B:Well, hold on.
Speaker B:You know, there's a lot more seasons.
Speaker B:So even if you didn't know, even if you like were just watching it in real time, you know that Sam ain't dead because they had just done this great long teaser about the second half of the season that is on YouTube still.
Speaker B:That shows a lot more episodes.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:But yes.
Speaker B:So you see an explosion take place, your stomach drops just because you're investing the episode.
Speaker B:And Dean's like crying out and that's very stressful.
Speaker B:And then Gordon says, not yet.
Speaker B:Wait and see.
Speaker B:And there's a second explosion.
Speaker B:So because we didn't see that in the vision.
Speaker B:We only saw one explosion in the vision.
Speaker B:But so Gordon walks in, sees the smoking boot on the ground, and then.
Speaker A:Wait, no, he.
Speaker A:He walks back there with his rifle.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:With a fucking rifle.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why have you not switched to a handgun?
Speaker A:What is wrong with you?
Speaker B:Why are you quarters now?
Speaker A:Close quarters.
Speaker A:Like, you can't take a long gun back there.
Speaker A:It's so easy for you.
Speaker A:And as we'll see, for you to get overpowered with a long gun in short.
Speaker A:In short combat situations.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So rifles are for long distance.
Speaker B:This was our first distance.
Speaker B:Anyways, so there's.
Speaker B:They have.
Speaker B:Sam is there.
Speaker B:Has a.
Speaker B:Has a pistol to Gordon's head.
Speaker B:And anyways, he make.
Speaker B:Gordon makes a bad joke about not because he had seen the smoking boot on the ground.
Speaker B:Makes a bad joke about not taking your shoes off in there.
Speaker B:Could get tetanus or ringworms like.
Speaker A:No, no ground barefoot in those places.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, you're gonna.
Speaker A:You're gonna.
Speaker A:That's how you get worms.
Speaker B:But of course, Sam, with his conscience, hesitates to shoot Gordon.
Speaker B:And so we getto get a fight scene.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Gordon there.
Speaker B:The big fight scene.
Speaker B:And Gordon tells Sam, you're no better than the filthy things you hunt.
Speaker B:Which I thought that was like a really mean thing to say.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It was a terrible one.
Speaker A:But it also shows just like the.
Speaker A:The amount of disdain, like, you hunt.
Speaker A:Like, that's like.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's quite a line.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's trying to stab him.
Speaker B:They keep fighting, blah, blah.
Speaker B:But Sam's not.
Speaker B:Sam just keeps resisting shooting Gordon, which at this point also I.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My argument against Sam, like, like bitching out on this is like, he's always worried about, like, well, how they killed anybody or what have they done.
Speaker B:This has killed a bunch of folks.
Speaker B:And like supernatural or.
Speaker B:And human that even the supernatural.
Speaker B:Not all the supernatural ones were bad.
Speaker B:This guy's just like.
Speaker B:So like black and white anyways Gordon.
Speaker B:But there we go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:Sam manages to knock him out instead of shoot him.
Speaker B:So Sam goes and, you know, unties Dean.
Speaker B:And like, Dean's like, it.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go.
Speaker B:Like he should.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And one thing that also before, like, when he's like all this.
Speaker A:That's going back and forth about the killer things, I think what you're alluding to is that Gordon says, show your brother the killer.
Speaker A:You really are, Sammy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it was just like,.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Sam ends up knocking him out with a gun.
Speaker A:Just like he knocked out Dean.
Speaker A:And he was like, it's Sam.
Speaker A:It's the name of Sam.
Speaker A:Bitch.
Speaker B:Call him Sammy.
Speaker B:Yeah, only Dean gets to do that.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:So anyway, Sam wants to go, or Dean wants to go kill Gordon.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, we just need to get the out.
Speaker B:And he's like, it's taken care of.
Speaker B:Okay, Sam.
Speaker B:How many times has Sam said that?
Speaker B:And it's not taken care of, but okay.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:But they're walking out of the house and I get so mad.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, no, you were so mad, too.
Speaker B:I know you were mad.
Speaker B:You're already laughing, so I know you're mad.
Speaker B:So they're running out of the front of the house.
Speaker B:They're running across the front yard.
Speaker B:And Gordon is coming out behind them with a pistol in each hand, shooting at them sideways.
Speaker B:He's holding the pistol sideways like, this is not.
Speaker B:Boys in the Hood.
Speaker B:What the fuck are we doing here?
Speaker B:This is not how you shoot a gun.
Speaker B:Anybody that.
Speaker B:This is garbage television fake gangster bullshit.
Speaker B:When you hold a gun sideways.
Speaker B:I'm not saying actually to that in there.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:I was just, like, so mad.
Speaker B:I'm like, this motherfucker would know.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He's sniping people yesterday.
Speaker B:He knows to not hold a gun sideways.
Speaker B:You don't turn a pistol sideways and shoot it.
Speaker A:Well, and also, at this point, you finally found your handguns, like, where the fuck were those?
Speaker A:Like an hour ago.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And I don't know if I've told this story on here before about.
Speaker A:So I used to be a range safety officer at a gun range.
Speaker A:So I was.
Speaker A:And it was a public gun range.
Speaker A:So I saw, like, the world's stupidest people come because, you know, you know, it's Texas, so everyone.
Speaker A:Everybody and their child gets to have a gun.
Speaker B:It's a birthright.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I'm actually, like.
Speaker A:Was walking one day and I walked up behind this guy that literally had a gun in each hand and was shooting at the targets Yosemite Sam style.
Speaker A:And unfortunately, like, you guys, you know, this is.
Speaker A:You can't see the video of my hand.
Speaker A:Hands going back and forth.
Speaker A:And I was just like, no, like, what the hell do you think you're doing?
Speaker A:And he wasn't even.
Speaker B:At least.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:They weren't sideways, though, right?
Speaker B:Because that's where you hold the pistol parallel to the ground.
Speaker A:Yeah, but also, you were never gonna have, like, why Would you have a gun in each hand and then shoot one and then the other?
Speaker A:And this is like, what the are you doing?
Speaker A:Much like Gordon is doing here, dude.
Speaker A:Just like, why?
Speaker A:I was like, why?
Speaker A:This is the stupidest way.
Speaker B:Were those revolvers or pistols?
Speaker B:Because that sounds fun.
Speaker A:I don't remember.
Speaker B:Because now I want to do that because I'm an asshole.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, don't, Don't.
Speaker B:At a range.
Speaker B:Like, not at a person.
Speaker A:Don't do that at a range.
Speaker A:Your range safety officer will come up behind you and you tell.
Speaker A:Tell you you're fucking.
Speaker B:I gotta find some empty land.
Speaker A:Noted.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:You can't do that.
Speaker A:If you do that at my ranch, I will punch you in the back of the head, so.
Speaker B:Oh, damn it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So anyway, so I'm like, mad because I'm like.
Speaker A:Because I'm.
Speaker B:I really wrote down why the is this trained hunter holding guns sideways.
Speaker B:That's what I said.
Speaker A:I like how each of us have the things that really pissed us off.
Speaker A:You're like, he was doing the sideways thing.
Speaker A:And I'm like, why are you having two guns in the sand?
Speaker B:So anyway, two guns, not phased.
Speaker B:Holding them sideways.
Speaker B:Irritated as fuck.
Speaker B:It doesn't even look that cool.
Speaker B:Like, if it looked like really fucking cool.
Speaker B:But like, it was ineffective to be one thing.
Speaker B:But I didn't even.
Speaker A:That rap video was your shitty ass Corvette.
Speaker B:All right, so the brothers jump into a ditch as the cops all roll up and like three cop cars roll up.
Speaker B:So apparently Sam was feeling real clever and didn't.
Speaker B:We didn't know this, but he made an anonymous tip to the police.
Speaker B:And so the police pulled up and immediately knew on Gordon's car where to look for his fancy ass gun rack behind his door too.
Speaker A:And it's El Camino.
Speaker A:Don't forget, this is the El Camino we love.
Speaker B:Yes, we do love the El Camino.
Speaker B:So I'm sad we do.
Speaker B:I'm not knocking it, but I'm just like, proud of Sam for reporting.
Speaker B:Not just saying, oh, this guy's gonna come out guns blazing, but also he's got this badass weapons rack in.
Speaker A:Is also good timing, Sam, that you.
Speaker B:Knew, like, you knew that this time.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know, like, obviously this is a rural area because, I mean, it might take you 30 minutes to get through to DPD these days on 91 1.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker A:It was like, yeah, well, if It's a rural era 3 era area with 3 cop cars be showing up, like, it would have been like you know, Deputy Bob and, like, kind of.
Speaker A:And then, like, Gordon would just kill him and take off.
Speaker A:But anyways, so.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Sam.
Speaker B:Sam says it was anonymous tip.
Speaker B:And Dean calls him a fine, upstanding citizen.
Speaker B:So Dean calls Ellen back because he's like, hey, Gordon was hunting Sam.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:She seems actually surprised.
Speaker B:But he basically accuses her of telling Gordon about Sam's visions.
Speaker B:And she's like, nah, there's other people.
Speaker A:Rips her a new.
Speaker A:Like, he was a killer.
Speaker A:He's mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's mean to her.
Speaker B:But she's like, no, man, there's plenty of other.
Speaker B:Did you not.
Speaker B:And it's kind of a cool scene.
Speaker B:It kind of pans around.
Speaker B:Like, she's like, I'm loyal as fuck.
Speaker B:It pans around.
Speaker B:You see all these other hunters doing, like, all kinds of bizarre shit behind her.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, these hunters are cleaning their bars at the gut.
Speaker A:Like, cleaning their gun.
Speaker A:The bars.
Speaker A:Cleaning their guns at the bar.
Speaker A:I'm like, that seems real safe.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just gonna sit here with a bunch of whiskey and just clean it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:I mean, at least they're cleaning their weapons if they want to come to my house and clean my guns.
Speaker A:Which all need it.
Speaker A:Like, good for you guys.
Speaker A:Like, come on over.
Speaker A:But I agree.
Speaker A:Like, I thought it was really clever.
Speaker A:And it was just a fun shot.
Speaker B:It was very fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was deeply amused by it.
Speaker B:Like, someone's got, like, their cards out.
Speaker B:Like, they were all just, like, taking notes.
Speaker B:And yeah, it was great.
Speaker B:But basically she's like, I can't control hunters just of kind.
Speaker B:Cause they come here, but I don't control them.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then so we cut to Sam trying to call Ava to make sure that she made it home okay.
Speaker B:And be like, hey, no, I got my brother.
Speaker B:We're okay.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And we get Dean makes some, like, gross prison soap joke about Gordon.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, let's go to Amsterdam.
Speaker B:I'm tired of the job.
Speaker B:I'm tired of this job.
Speaker B:And so we get another little character development about how Dean feels about.
Speaker B:About what they do and.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Sam.
Speaker B:But Sam now is the one that's super committed to.
Speaker B:It's kind of an interesting, like, switch.
Speaker B:Because, you know, Sam was the reluctant one at first, right?
Speaker B:Other than trying to find dad.
Speaker B:But Sam was reluctant to the job at first, and Dean was super committed.
Speaker B:This is the job.
Speaker B:This is what we fucking do.
Speaker B:And now we've kind of got a little bit of A role reversal once Dean got the pressure of the secret from Sam about Sam.
Speaker B:And now Dean's like, nah, I kind of want to break from this.
Speaker B:I feel too much pressure.
Speaker B:And anyway, so.
Speaker B:Or is it just that Dean's trying to like avoid or whatever it is, whatever's going to happen to Sam, who knows?
Speaker B:But Sam's like, look, we can't run from this and you can't protect me.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, I don't believe in destiny.
Speaker B:So yeah, he.
Speaker A:But Sam's like, you can't protect me.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, but I can try.
Speaker B:It was very cute.
Speaker A:It was very good moment.
Speaker A:And then we get our favorite references to each other.
Speaker B:We do.
Speaker B:Bitch.
Speaker A:Jerk.
Speaker B:So yeah, Sam keeps.
Speaker B:Keeps trying to call Ava.
Speaker B:And throughout this is.
Speaker B:While this is all going.
Speaker B:And Dean makes another gross comment.
Speaker B:Because of course Dean can't help himself.
Speaker B:He just does something sweet.
Speaker B:So now he has to fuck it up by saying something skeezy where he says, what's the point of saving.
Speaker B:What's the point of saving the world if you can't get a little nookie every once in a while?
Speaker B:He said Nikki.
Speaker A:He did, but also fair.
Speaker B:No, his point is fair.
Speaker B:But he said Nikki.
Speaker B:That's the part I'm upset about.
Speaker B:So Sam doesn't have a good feeling about the Ava situation if she's not answering now after the like stuff that went down.
Speaker B:So he's like, we gotta go to Peoria.
Speaker B:So they go break into her house.
Speaker B:Because that's what you do.
Speaker B:Can't find somebody or they're not answering their phone.
Speaker B:You just go break into their house like normal.
Speaker B:And at first everything looks normal until they find a bloody fucking mess and her dead fiance in the bed.
Speaker A:Yeah, he was brutally murdered.
Speaker A:And man, they did not skimp on the amount of fake blood user in the scene.
Speaker A:They just like poured like buckets of blood like all over the scene.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then they find a sulfur residue on the windowsill.
Speaker B:So they know the demon was there.
Speaker B:And then demon.
Speaker B:And then there's a ring on the floor that Sam picks up like Ava.
Speaker B:Ava.
Speaker A:Ava.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:That's how we end.
Speaker B:So yeah.
Speaker B:So yeah, it's a really weird.
Speaker B:Like I'm seeing an interesting shift in the brothers personalities where now that the.
Speaker B:Basically now the job is directly tied to risking life basically of Sam, now Dean is.
Speaker B:Wants out.
Speaker B:It's kind of how I'm reading it.
Speaker A:Well, there is that.
Speaker A:You know, it is a good read.
Speaker A:I mean it's also just.
Speaker A:This is his only family he has left.
Speaker A:I mean, right.
Speaker B:So he's trying to preserve that however he can.
Speaker B:And he's like, I think he also.
Speaker B:I think the other piece of it might be.
Speaker B:Is like, well, even if I can't escape it, at least I can enjoy the time we have together before he loses the shit and I have to kill him.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, there's that too.
Speaker A:I mean, it's.
Speaker A:It's a lot of quandaries.
Speaker A:Oh, I agree, man.
Speaker A:Go to Amsterdam, get high.
Speaker A:But get a red light district.
Speaker A:You get some freaky on there, Dean, you could probably, you know,.
Speaker B:Scratch all.
Speaker A:Those itches and then.
Speaker A:And then you're going to have to scratch some more itches after you get your STD.
Speaker A:But, you know, so.
Speaker A:So that was episode 10.
Speaker A:You know, we're about halfway through the season now.
Speaker A:So I think, again, we've got a good plot turn.
Speaker A:We got things moving forward.
Speaker A:Because at least, like, now we're not finally hiding the stupid secret.
Speaker A:Which I agree was a bit anticlimactic to have it hold out for so long.
Speaker A:Like, it could have been.
Speaker B:It was not like.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't like, okay, yes, it's a big deal.
Speaker B:Like, you might have to kill your brother, but it's not like the Yellow Eyed Demon has planned this grand scheme that I have detailed in these five points for you.
Speaker B:I'm like, you brother might kill your brother, but protect him in the meantime.
Speaker A:Dude, I'm gonna die now.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I could feel like, protect your sister.
Speaker B:Okay, got on it.
Speaker A:Like, I'll do my best.
Speaker A:Like, what the.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Like, I feel like that's.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't think I'd be told.
Speaker B:I'd have to, like, kill it.
Speaker B:I think that's kind of weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I think also just it was drawn out for so long that.
Speaker A:And it's so.
Speaker A:I mean, it is big.
Speaker A:Like, you're gonna have to kill the other main character.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a pretty big.
Speaker A:Yeah, might.
Speaker A:But it is a big secret.
Speaker A:But, yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:Like, the way that.
Speaker A:And also, like, maybe it was because it was at the cliffhanger revealed here.
Speaker A:Like, I think it would have been better if they revealed it in the last episode.
Speaker A:Like, I think it would have been a good.
Speaker B:Actually, it would have been a good cliffhanger, actually.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If they just gone through up to the point where it was like, I'm going to have to kill you and then stop and then gave the next thing.
Speaker A:I think that would have been a better transition.
Speaker A:Less of a left letdown.
Speaker B:I agree fully.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So overall, any other thoughts?
Speaker A:All right, so next week we're going to an episode that I fucking hate.
Speaker A:It terrifies me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, no, not that.
Speaker B:You just hate it because it's annoying.
Speaker B:It actually scares you.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:So now.
Speaker B:Now the concern is, does Diana need to be scared because I'm a fucking wuss, as you know, or is it just weirdly.
Speaker B:That weirdly bothers you and it's totally fine to me, like one of those, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm just gonna leave it and I'll let you discover for yourself.
Speaker A:Maybe we can watch the episode together next weekend if we have time.
Speaker A:But it would be fun if we could.
Speaker A:We'll have a good group of people with us, but we'll see how hungover we are.
Speaker A:So anyways, I think that's it.
Speaker A:So we're halfway through season two, guys.
Speaker A:We almost made it.
Speaker A:One more episode.
Speaker A:We'll be halfway through.
Speaker A:So I guess that's it.
Speaker A:So as they said in this episode.
Speaker A:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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