4:09 I Know What You Did Last Summer
Supernatural Season 4, Episode 9, "I Know What You Did Last Summer," and it was a hot summer, full of spicy times that made Liz very uncomfortable. Learn about the mental diagnosis Demonomania and find out if you have it!
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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Demonomania, Demonomania and demonomania.
Speaker B:And what happened to your face?
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about season four, episode nine, episode.
Speaker B:I knew what you did last summer.
Speaker A:No, you don't.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm Diana and Liz.
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker B:Hi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So how are you doing this week?
Speaker A:Fucking tired.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker A:It's, you know, it's a non eventful week.
Speaker A:I guess there's just like not a lot going on and I don't want to, I don't want to jinx it.
Speaker A:I don't have jinx it.
Speaker A:I mean, I've got, you know, obviously work is going to be a thing and then, you know, I've got a couple.
Speaker A:I've got two lira classes in a row.
Speaker A:So my.
Speaker A:I'm going to be so bruised and beaten.
Speaker A:But yeah, it'll be a good week.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker B:Now we are in.
Speaker B:We're in home improvement hell.
Speaker B:But it'll be for a lovely summer at our house.
Speaker B:And on the day of this airing of this episode will be my mom's 70th birthday.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Happy birthday, Lisa.
Speaker B:Lisa.
Speaker B:Happy birthday, Lisa.
Speaker B:Now you follow us on Instagram, Mom.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker B:They also don't watch the show, so I know you don't listen, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, so we're doing fun birthday stuff other than that.
Speaker B:Yeah, just.
Speaker B:Just plugging away and trying to, you know, make wise decisions about what we can do ourselves versus what we should pay professionals to do around our house and yeah, that's about it.
Speaker A:I. I am still championing an HGD HGTV show, but with you and, and the dogs like you trying to like, do housework with three gigantic dogs.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, it would be a mess.
Speaker B:I also know that if it was on hgtv, it would just be a series of bleeps and so it would probably just have to be a wetter.
Speaker A:It would just be like drywall.
Speaker A:Brr.
Speaker A:Hammer dog.
Speaker A:Wait, why.
Speaker A:Why is it.
Speaker A:Why are you believing the dog?
Speaker A:And just like, man, that dog has filthy mouth.
Speaker B:Of course Ash does.
Speaker B:Gosh, Faith and Ash both, Kevin, I don't think does, but Faith and Ash definitely do.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:And I decided tonight that I want to have ice cream after we're done.
Speaker B:So instead of having a beverage of alcoholic nature, I'm drinking a topo Chico, Because I am trying to make good decisions for myself.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm drinking a sparkling water because I have a lot of shit to do this week, and my body needs to not be dehydrated.
Speaker B:Well, we also did start drinking beer.
Speaker B:We were doing a bunch of stuff around the house on Sunday, and we started.
Speaker A:So, like, around noon.
Speaker B:Like, noon one.
Speaker B:It was like, man washing a car.
Speaker B:I need a beer for that.
Speaker B:It's fucking nice out.
Speaker B:Whatevs.
Speaker A:Like, all afternoon Sunday, we went all around Johnson City, and then we ended up in our favorite place, Albert.
Speaker A:Oh, Albert, you are the grand gem of Texas that nobody knows.
Speaker A:And once again, I did try and stir up the rivalry between lower and upper Albert.
Speaker A:I tried really hard.
Speaker B:It's an.
Speaker B:It's a rivalry we totally made up.
Speaker A:For the record, y', all, there are two.
Speaker A:There are signs there.
Speaker A:One for lower and one for upper.
Speaker A:And, like, why else would there be a side?
Speaker A:And there actually is some things that go back to it.
Speaker A:It has to do with a land grab.
Speaker A:And maybe, I don't know, someday we'll just do a whole segment on why.
Speaker A:Because, Albert, dance hall, I'm pretty sure is haunted with fucking ghosts.
Speaker B:I'm sure it is, but at least.
Speaker A:I got to play with a really cute puppy.
Speaker B:Puppy.
Speaker A:It's, like, seven weeks old and weaned too early, which is really sad.
Speaker A:Y' all don't lean your pups too early.
Speaker A:Like, But I think it was.
Speaker A:I think they said it.
Speaker A:They had to.
Speaker A:But anyways.
Speaker A:But so it was that thing where, like, they keep sucking on your finger.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:And it's kind of, like, nippy, and it kind of hurts.
Speaker A:But you're like, that's okay.
Speaker A:You're so cute.
Speaker B:I'm not mad at you.
Speaker A:It's adorable.
Speaker A:I'm teaching you bad habits.
Speaker A:Yes, I am.
Speaker A:Because you're not my duck.
Speaker A:I will ruin someone else's dog.
Speaker A:Yes, I will.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's no need for me to drink today or for a while.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Like, one other thing that happened on Sunday, which is, like, this is some country ass shit.
Speaker A:And this only happens in places like Johnson City.
Speaker A:I'm sure it happens, like, elsewhere in the country.
Speaker A:So sitting at the bar, I was drinking a thirsty goat because they had it on tap.
Speaker A:And every time I can get thirsty coat on tap, I'm very happy.
Speaker A:But she.
Speaker A:All of a sudden, the bartender comes out, and she was a hoot, and she.
Speaker A:I think her name was Shannon, and she is like, y' all can't serve any More mixed drinks.
Speaker A:There's a boil water notice.
Speaker A:And so, like they couldn't serve the ice anymore because the ice was filtered.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And they'd been serving mixed like they've.
Speaker B:Been serving mixed drinks, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:They're like, oh, some people gonna get real sick.
Speaker A:I'm so glad I like beer.
Speaker A:So good luck in Blanco county with whatever happened to your water.
Speaker B:Hopefully it was short lived.
Speaker A:Hopefully.
Speaker A:Hopefully it didn't involve, like, things that I want to talk about.
Speaker A:All right, moving on.
Speaker A:I know what you did last summer.
Speaker A:This was season four, episode nine.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:Yeah, so go and get started with Girl Interrupted.
Speaker B:And there's so many Girl Interrupted references.
Speaker B:And I love.
Speaker A:Yeah, I wanted.
Speaker B:Because I was an angsty teenage girl in the 90s and Jared Leto was in it and it's Girl Interrupted.
Speaker B:It's fucking amazing.
Speaker A:Brittany Murphy, Angelina Jolie was so hot in that movie.
Speaker A:I was so gay for her in that.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker B:It was amazing.
Speaker B:Every, like semi.
Speaker B:I think every teenage girl who had had some emotional challenge at some point or felt different than the others had to love that movie.
Speaker B:It was a fucking rule.
Speaker B:And it was so good.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like after we get done watching Daria and My so Called Life and then we had to watch Girl Interrupted and then the craft, like, yeah, that was my weekend.
Speaker A:And then while I was dyeing my hair purple.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I'm picking out colored tights to go with my converse.
Speaker A:90S were a good time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Aren't we so glad they're back?
Speaker B:Anyways, so anyway, so we've got a redhead girl.
Speaker B:We found out her name is Anna and she looks pretty zoned out, obviously in a hospital for behavioral health.
Speaker B:She's a mental hospital.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a Connor.
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:The Connor Beverly Behavioral Health center is what they call it.
Speaker B:And she's being asked if she remembers what she did by obviously what's intended to be a psychiatrist.
Speaker B:Like, you were hysterical.
Speaker B:It took four people to restrain you.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, I was trying to warn everybody, but never mind.
Speaker B:It was stupid.
Speaker B:Like, about what?
Speaker B:She's like, you'll think I'm nuts, but the end is coming.
Speaker B:The apocalypse.
Speaker B:So the doctor's like, in that.
Speaker B:Like in the Bible.
Speaker B:And she's like, kind of same bottom line.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's 66 seals that has to be broken by Lilith.
Speaker B:And then Lucifer will bring the apocalypse seals.
Speaker B:And you hear that?
Speaker A:I'm loving this dramatic rendition.
Speaker A:It's pretty fantastic.
Speaker B:So then you.
Speaker B:But then you can tell there's some whispering voices in the background.
Speaker B:And she like stops talking and listens to them and I'm like, oh, okay, bitch cray.
Speaker B:And never mind.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But she does explain to me.
Speaker B:I think that was like re.
Speaker B:Explain something that they've alluded to.
Speaker B:But she really does a good job re explaining about the seals at this point.
Speaker B:So this is a really good tool by the writers to give us more.
Speaker B:More information about how Lilith's attempts, how it's working, break the seals and how it's working and why she's been able to be so successful.
Speaker B:Because there's 600 possible seals, but Lilith only has to break 66 of them.
Speaker B:But doesn't matter which 66.
Speaker B:Which by the way seems like a real.
Speaker B:Like a cop out in a lore.
Speaker B:I'm not going to lie.
Speaker B:So it's kind of any of them.
Speaker B:You could, you could do any of them.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:Just pick whichever ones you want.
Speaker B:66 Of them.
Speaker A:It's cool.
Speaker A:Are there not 600 angels?
Speaker A:Like, I mean go like 600 angels gar seal.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Each of those.
Speaker A:That's all you do all day.
Speaker A:You just hang out with the seals and a little.
Speaker A:I think, I think her name is Lucy.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker A:I still can't name her.
Speaker A:Shelly the seal.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Someone has to come up with her name.
Speaker B:I think it's a girl needs a name.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've decided it's a girl anyways, so.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker B:So I thought that was an interesting.
Speaker B:So a.
Speaker B:It explains why it's so impossible to stop Lilith's attempt here and why they keep missing out on these.
Speaker B:On these signs of the seals are being broken.
Speaker B:But it also explains why.
Speaker B:Why the angels are losing.
Speaker B:But she says why the angels are losing and why we're all going to die.
Speaker B:Yeah, so that's.
Speaker B:That's dark.
Speaker B:But like I said, it was a good.
Speaker B:It was a good plot or good writing device to.
Speaker B:To share with us.
Speaker B:Like I get a little bit more insight.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think we get a lot of expose in this episode.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They shove it in.
Speaker A:Which kind of makes it a not fun, fun episode because we're getting a lot of.
Speaker A:We're getting told a lot of stuff and there's also some things that just ick me out, which we'll get to in a minute.
Speaker A:O Right.
Speaker A:So an orderly comes in and Anna's having craft time.
Speaker A:Oh yes, she is.
Speaker A:Yes, she Is she's kind of like, sometimes, like.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, and all y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I mean, I have a lot of mental effort.
Speaker A:Neuro, whatever the word is.
Speaker A:Right now, I got mental issues.
Speaker A:So don't take this, like, as me just being, like, glib about this.
Speaker A:But sometimes I'm like, so if I just go to, like, a place or, like, depression for, like.
Speaker A:Like a month or two, do I can just hang out and do crafts?
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Sounds pretty awesome.
Speaker A:And it sounds so quiet.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, man, that'd be really retreat.
Speaker B:That's what.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:But I'm thinking if I do that, then I can get, like, medical leave.
Speaker B:Oh, I got you insurance paper scared.
Speaker A:I mean, is that.
Speaker A:I mean, it's not fraud?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Nobody heard this.
Speaker A:Shh.
Speaker A:Nobody tell UnitedHealthcare what is happening.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, so craft time is interrupted.
Speaker B:Craft time is.
Speaker B:Craft time interrupted.
Speaker B:An orderly comes in, and she immediately goes with the.
Speaker B:My new favorite insult.
Speaker B:What happened to your face?
Speaker A:She does have some blunt gems.
Speaker A:Next time, Diana.
Speaker B:I'm such an asshole.
Speaker B:I'm such an asshole.
Speaker B:Mean.
Speaker B:Like, this is mean.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:So apparently the orderly is a demon, but she could see it for some reason.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And we don't really get a good explanation ever in this episode of what she really sees, but that's a different thing.
Speaker B:So as he closes the door, locks them inside, and obviously you're not going to take this guy's meds because this is fucking creepy.
Speaker B:And he's a demon.
Speaker B:So she uses.
Speaker A:Yeah, the demon thing.
Speaker A:I was like, I think that basically she's seen the same thing.
Speaker A:Like, you know, when everybody, like, is going through, like, the hellhound things are chasing them.
Speaker A:They see the demons, actual faces.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Like, I think that's what she's saying.
Speaker A:She's seen, like, what the demon really looks like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is.
Speaker B:But they don't really ever.
Speaker B:They just kind of.
Speaker B:They imply it, but they don't actually, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, so she, like, shoves the dresser into him, and with her mind.
Speaker B:Mind.
Speaker B:She uses her brain to use, like, a demon fling, but not a demon fling, but flings a dresser into the demon.
Speaker A:It's an eye fling.
Speaker A:It's a. I don't know.
Speaker B:Anyways, so she knocks him out, and then she's able to escape.
Speaker B:So we cut to a pool hall where Sam is playing pool with a burly gentleman and pretending to be real drunk, I'm guessing.
Speaker A:Yeah, he is pretending because he's hustling He's a hustler.
Speaker B:And Dean comes up to like to announce how drunk Sam is and how they shouldn't be betting.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, fudge.
Speaker B:He's definitely just trying to hustle this guy.
Speaker A:Look bad.
Speaker A:Like if you're this stupid to fall for this, like this completely obvious pool hustle.
Speaker B:Yeah, you deserve it.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Take their money.
Speaker A:Just shut up and take it.
Speaker A:It was like I was watching the serial killer thing the other day.
Speaker A:And the cops theory was that the.
Speaker A:The victims would be picked up on the side of the road hitchhiking.
Speaker A:And they would be.
Speaker A:They would be male victims.
Speaker A:They would get into a truck, the dry drive.
Speaker A:The guy driving the truck would have a picture of an attractive female on there.
Speaker A:Then tell the guy that he could have sex with her.
Speaker A:Then take him to his trailer and on the way there, tell them that she has been abused by men and she's afraid of them.
Speaker A:So she's going to want to tie you up.
Speaker A:Is that cool?
Speaker A:And then they're like, cool.
Speaker A:And then he says, well, you know, just to save time, why don't I tie you up?
Speaker A:And then he murders them.
Speaker A:So I'm just saying.
Speaker A:Not that you deserve it.
Speaker A:Nobody deserves to be a victim.
Speaker B:However, you can make choices to avoid.
Speaker A:You can make better choices than that.
Speaker B:Like, no matter your.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Make better choices than that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So lose your $500 deed.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Well, he was going to, but then they see Ruby in the bar and so he abandons the bet and walks away.
Speaker B:And Dean is pissed, but apparently she has intel and tells them about Anna.
Speaker B:Was Anna melt?
Speaker B:Yeah, Anna was in a psych ward and there.
Speaker B:But she escaped.
Speaker B:And now the demons are after her, but they want her alive.
Speaker B:So they need to find her before the demons do.
Speaker A:And they say they're gonna have an Easter egg hunt.
Speaker A:It's very timely because it's Easter, I think this weekend.
Speaker A:I just know I have.
Speaker A:There's a bunch of zombie bunnies everywhere, so.
Speaker A:Oh my God, guys.
Speaker A:So Diana gets me the zombie bunny for.
Speaker A:For Zombie East, Zombie Bunny day, Zombie Easter Day, whatever.
Speaker A:Zombie Jesus Day, whatever.
Speaker A:So the funny thing was, is that I had ordered the same set for my friend in New York, but hers got lost, right?
Speaker A:So I'm like, you know, text, you know, messaging with gold belly.
Speaker A:And I'm like, hey, man, like, where's the bunny?
Speaker A:And they're like, man, like the bunnies in like Washington, like not New York.
Speaker A:And then they're like, we'll send more bunnies.
Speaker A:All Right.
Speaker A:So they send her bunnies.
Speaker A:And so she gets two there.
Speaker A:And then like the next day I look at my phone and I saw like an order from FedEx has been delivered.
Speaker A:I'm like, shit.
Speaker A:All right, now you've got.
Speaker A:She has like four giant bunnies.
Speaker B:It's all zombies.
Speaker B:Chocolate zombie bunnies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's hilarious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so Easter eggs.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker B:Yay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Dean is not particularly interested in this mission, so.
Speaker B:But they're driving.
Speaker B:Sam and Dean are driving.
Speaker B:And Dean's bitching about the fact that it's a three day drive to this hospital.
Speaker B:And anyways, but Sam's like, no, I think this is important.
Speaker B:But he.
Speaker B:It's not about the job to him.
Speaker B:It's more about getting the info from Ruby is Sam's theory.
Speaker B:And so Dean really wants.
Speaker B:Says he wants information on Sam and Ruby's relationship.
Speaker B:And Sam says, sure, let's trade stories.
Speaker B:You tell me about hell yeah.
Speaker A:Which I think is an excellent point.
Speaker A:Like, why should I tell you all my shit if you're not going to tell me yours?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker A:But then we get a really shitty transition.
Speaker A:It was bad.
Speaker A:It was a bad.
Speaker A:We're going into a dream transition.
Speaker B:Flashback.
Speaker B:Heavy episode.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And some of them are not done.
Speaker A:Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker A:This one was not.
Speaker A:It was like I pressed the button on my Adobe Premiere Edit Pro and went dissolve.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So six months ago.
Speaker B:And Sam is drunk, bearing a box at the crossroads.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And a male demon shows up.
Speaker B:Sam does look real fucking bad, but.
Speaker B:And he calls.
Speaker A:He does.
Speaker B:He does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We also miss his like very dramatic.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:And just want to skip it.
Speaker B:It was so bad.
Speaker A:It was so fratboy.
Speaker A:Just like, come on, demon.
Speaker A:Where are you at, man?
Speaker B:Goo me.
Speaker B:Anyway, so Demon's like making Sam put down the knife.
Speaker B:And of course Sam wants to make a deal.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker B:And the demon kind of makes a good point.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah.
Speaker B:Round and round the Winchesters go.
Speaker B:It's like, yeah, this doesn't go well for you guys every time you make a fucking deal.
Speaker B:So maybe rethink this thing, but whatevs.
Speaker B:So the demon walks up and just to stab him in the hand with the fucking blade because, well, there you go.
Speaker B:And Sam is insisting that he wants to trade places with Dean in hell.
Speaker B:The demons like, nope.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, you want.
Speaker B:Don't you want me there?
Speaker B:And demons like, no, things are exactly how we want them.
Speaker B:He's down there.
Speaker B:You're up Here.
Speaker B:What else?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And so when I thought this demon was very Glengarry.
Speaker A:Glengarry Glenn Ross, like, you know, like, crossroad demons are foreclosures, I guess.
Speaker A:You know, I don't know what crossroads demons get.
Speaker A:Like, Catskill heads are for closers, you know.
Speaker A:But the demon also said, I've made peace with my Lord.
Speaker A:And I'm like, which Lord?
Speaker A:Like, what deep.
Speaker A:Are you a demon Lord?
Speaker A:Or like God Lord?
Speaker A:Like, he was just like, I'm good.
Speaker A:Fucking kill me.
Speaker A:So then Sam does oops.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so we're gonna cut back to the present day.
Speaker A:We're driving through the rain, silently, uncomfortable moment.
Speaker B:And we get to the hospital and basically they're talking to the psychiatrist.
Speaker B:And the psychiatrist is like, yeah.
Speaker B:The orderly that came in the room has no recollection of her escape.
Speaker B:Honestly, they don't even remember, like, going to deliver meds to her.
Speaker B:But this illness that Anna had was really recent.
Speaker B:They refer to her as potentially schizophrenic, and they say that she thought demons were everywhere.
Speaker B:And it wasn't really uncommon for patients to believe that monsters are real.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I think it's time for us to have a quiz to find out whether or not somebody is suffering from a mental illness or has Stephen possession.
Speaker A:So we're gonna have a quick quiz, and the one thing I want to be clear is one.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Okay, first off, you know, sorry again, not being good at this.
Speaker A:This is just funny.
Speaker A:So there actually used to be and sometimes still use a psychiatric term for the belief that one is possessed by the devil or demons, and it' Demono Mania.
Speaker A:Okay, Isn't that a great name?
Speaker A:Like, it's a band name.
Speaker A:I mean, but I had lots of problems spelling it, so.
Speaker A:But so I went.
Speaker A:There is a really.
Speaker A:There was a fun article@mental illnesspolicy.org which is actually a pretty legit website.
Speaker A:And if you need resources, like highly suggest you go in there.
Speaker A:Or if you want to influence policy of the government to better protect people with mental illness, go there.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:But according to Pastor Steven Waterhouse, there's some differences between someone who is possessed by a demon or is suffering from a mental disorder.
Speaker A:Okay, first, number one, are you ready?
Speaker A:Do they talk about Jesus a lot?
Speaker A:If yes, probably a mental disorder because demons want nothing to do with Jesus.
Speaker B:Fun fact.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are they speaking in tongues?
Speaker A:Which one?
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm going to go with.
Speaker B:I'm going to go with possession on that one.
Speaker A:Nope, that's probably mental because all the demons in the Bible had good.
Speaker A:Good grammar.
Speaker A:He basically said that the New Testament accounts involving demons, the demons still spoke in a very rational manner.
Speaker A:So if you're.
Speaker A:If you're talking, you're skipping around a lot, you know those things, that's probably a sign that you should go seek some professional help.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Do they know weird shit, like, strange facts or like the ability to say, like.
Speaker A:Like the Lord's prayer backwards?
Speaker B:Whoa.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:Because my guts telling me we just need to go with mental illness on most of these answers here.
Speaker B:However, that one, I'm like, that might be possession.
Speaker B:That's pretty.
Speaker A:That is possession.
Speaker A:All right, so demons in the New Testament would speak through people to convey knowledge that otherwise could not have been known to the possessed person.
Speaker A:And so those with neurobiological disorders have no such ability to know facts they have not acquired by normal learning.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:All right, number four, are they levitating?
Speaker B:We're gonna file levitation under possessed.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a demon.
Speaker B:That's a demon.
Speaker B:Because otherwise we kind of follow science, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:People who.
Speaker A:Or, you know, human don't levitate.
Speaker A:All right, number five, do they say they are possessed?
Speaker A:Like, I have a demon in me?
Speaker B:I don't think the possess would say that.
Speaker B:I think that's mental illness.
Speaker A:That would be mental.
Speaker A:Because demons want to say secret, Right.
Speaker A:Only in the download.
Speaker A:They don't want you to know they're there.
Speaker A:They're going to be like, like what?
Speaker A:I'm Beth.
Speaker B:I'm Beth.
Speaker B:Unless you're a Winchester.
Speaker B:And then they want you to know,.
Speaker A:Then they're just gonna fuck with you.
Speaker A:Yeah, but.
Speaker A:All right, number six, does prayer work on curing them?
Speaker B:Only if you know how to do an exorcism.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was a demon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if prayer solves whatever problem is going on that was probably not something to do with your brain.
Speaker B:Wait, you're saying you can't.
Speaker A:And if it's gonna be sounding if medicine helps.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You probably had a neurobiological disorder.
Speaker B:I feel like that's a really, really, like, great way to narrow things down and seek, you know, establish the best, you know, plan of action for someone.
Speaker A:I mean, I think if this doctor had had that list, she would have been like, no, Ms. Anna is not schizophrenic.
Speaker A:She is in fact.
Speaker A:Nope, it's not possessed by a demon.
Speaker A:Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker A:Something's going on here, but I don't think it's schizophrenia.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so not only so we saw earlier that Anna was very into arts and crafts.
Speaker A:She was crafty.
Speaker A:So the doctor gives them a sketchbook.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're done with our quiz, by the way.
Speaker B:No, I know.
Speaker B:So she gets the sketchbook, which is helpful as they start flipping through it because it's.
Speaker B:They, you know, it's got a lot of the like things that they've.
Speaker B:They've seen.
Speaker B:It's got the witnesses, it's got Lilith, it's got Sam Hain.
Speaker B:It's got references to Revelation.
Speaker B:So the doctor's like, yeah, her dad was a deacon at the church to her.
Speaker B:Delusions were all religious in nature.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I also don't know why they're not more freaked out by this like you.
Speaker A:That somebody else know exactly what was happening to them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Like at this point too, I thought that, you know, I thought even Dean would be like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:At this point.
Speaker B:And he's kind of like, man, okay,.
Speaker A:Yeah, we did all that shit, Sam Haim.
Speaker A:I remember that seal or.
Speaker A:So Anna is just convinced that the devil's gonna rest.
Speaker B:So they go to the.
Speaker B:Milton's house, which is her family's house.
Speaker B:And of course, sadly, the front door is unlocked.
Speaker B:No one answered the door.
Speaker B:And what does that mean?
Speaker B:Her parents.
Speaker B:Anna's parents have been killed.
Speaker B:Their throats have been slit.
Speaker B:And there is sulfur left behind.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker A:Sulfur everywhere.
Speaker A:It's bad enough they, they.
Speaker A:They brutally murdered those people.
Speaker A:Yeah, that Dateline episode's gonna be weird.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:And we get a girl interrupted reference in this scene.
Speaker A:Oh, which one?
Speaker B:Our Dean just says girl interrupted.
Speaker B:Literally says girl interrupted.
Speaker B:And I'm like, hey, there you go.
Speaker A:We do get a Detective Sam moment.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker B:He pieces together that.
Speaker B:That the stained glass window that he.
Speaker B:That she was drawing in the sketchbook must be her church.
Speaker B:And where would you go if you were trying to feel safe when you're on the run?
Speaker B:You go to your church.
Speaker A:So I really wish he had said, I deduce she is in the church.
Speaker B:One of these days.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So they go to church.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Anna's there.
Speaker B:But they, but they do like a really like armed like sleuthy entry into the church.
Speaker B:Which I thought was weird.
Speaker B:I'm like, this is a lot.
Speaker B:But that's just me.
Speaker A:I would mark that down.
Speaker B:Like they're like guns drawn, like full on.
Speaker B:Like you know, clearing the sanctuary, then clearing the hole, like going up.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay.
Speaker B:Like, there's obviously no one here.
Speaker A:Well, and also like, aren't you afraid of demons right now?
Speaker A:Like why do you have the guns out?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Like that's gonna do any good against a demon.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker B:Annoying.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:So they find Anna and she's like.
Speaker B:She knows who they are.
Speaker B:She's like, sam Winchester and the Dean, which.
Speaker A:Love that.
Speaker B:And she tells them that the angels talk about you and some think you can help save us.
Speaker A:Guys, you're famous.
Speaker A:You're famous.
Speaker B:So cute.
Speaker B:And so she explains that she doesn't talk to angels, but she overhears them in her head.
Speaker B:And Dean's comment to her is, he's like, they lock you up with crazies.
Speaker B:When really you're just tuned into angel radio.
Speaker A:So this is the first mention of angel radio we get.
Speaker A:Radio.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So at this point, though, they're able to pin down exactly when it started.
Speaker A:What day did it start?
Speaker B:September 18th.
Speaker B:The day Dean got out of hell.
Speaker A:Dean Winchester is saved.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean figures out that the demons want her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That why the demons want her, obviously, is because she can hear the angels and they want to hear the angels plans.
Speaker B:So it calls it.
Speaker B:What was it?
Speaker B:1900 Angel is what he calls it.
Speaker B:Calls her as well there.
Speaker B:And then she asks if her parents are okay.
Speaker B:But luckily they're interrupted by Ruby running in and.
Speaker B:Don't have to answer that question yet.
Speaker A:And then we get another great insult from Anna.
Speaker B:Anna, your face.
Speaker B:Oh, I think this one was her face.
Speaker B:Her face, but still her face.
Speaker B:Like, man, this is a judgy bitch.
Speaker A:Inner monologue, Anna.
Speaker A:Inner monologue, inside voice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Rui is like, yeah, y' all gotta go.
Speaker B:There's a big wig demon.
Speaker B:He's followed you from her fucking parents house.
Speaker B:Y' all need to get the fuck out.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Oops.
Speaker B:Nope, sorry.
Speaker B:You waited too long.
Speaker B:It's already too late.
Speaker B:They're already here.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then the Mary statue in this room they're in starts crying blood, which is disconcerting.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's never a good sign.
Speaker A:And like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Not another statue bleeding.
Speaker B:So Sam hides Anna.
Speaker B:Dean is upset and Ruby is like.
Speaker B:Ruby wants Sam to do his demon tug.
Speaker B:Remote demon tug?
Speaker B:Is that what you just called it?
Speaker A:As I start calling it his demon tug.
Speaker B:His demon tug.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:He wants him to do the.
Speaker B:I was going to do the remote exorcism, but sure.
Speaker B:Demon tug.
Speaker B:Same thing, but because it's fast.
Speaker B:Otherwise they're all gonna die.
Speaker B:Dean's like, no, but whatever.
Speaker B:She's like, there's no time for Dean to worry about, you know, the dark side.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Now, then a man walks in the room and Sam tries to do his little demon tug,.
Speaker A:But it does work.
Speaker A:He can't tug it.
Speaker B:I just said that Sam just tried to demon tug this man.
Speaker A:You tried to demon tug him?
Speaker A:But he couldn't.
Speaker B:But he couldn't do.
Speaker B:Didn't work.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So instead, you know when.
Speaker A:When your tug fails, like all men, then they fight.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So we get into a pretty hardcore fight.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And yeah, anyways, he picks him up and does the demon fling down the stairs.
Speaker B:And Dean tries to stab this demon, but then the demon says hello again.
Speaker B:And so now we've got a hint that he must have met him in hell and says, don't you recognize me?
Speaker B:Oh, I forgot I'm wearing a pediatrician.
Speaker A:What a great line.
Speaker A:Great line.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So ends up his name is Alistair, this demon.
Speaker B:And Dean recognizes him.
Speaker B:While this fight stuff's going on, Ruby's managed to get Anna out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So before we get to Anna, let's go back to Alistair for a bit.
Speaker A:All right, so we got a little bit of lore on Alistair,.
Speaker B:Not a.
Speaker A:Ton, and we'll get some more references to him, but also just a little brief summary so we get kind of get the idea of who he's sort of based on.
Speaker A:And maybe this can.
Speaker A:Cause there's some predictions for the future that you may be able to make from this.
Speaker A:All right, so this is likely a reference to the demon Alastor A L A S T O R. Or in Christian demonology, not to be confused with Alistair Mad Eyed Moody.
Speaker A:Although that may make sense because this demon is considered to be a possessing demon.
Speaker A:So I was like, oh, maybe that makes sense.
Speaker A:Maybe that's where Rowling got it.
Speaker A:Probably not.
Speaker A:In Greek mythology, he's.
Speaker A:He's an avenger, tracking the animals and the criminals and doing, you know, avenging things.
Speaker A:And there he was, associated with the sins that passed down generations from fathers to sons.
Speaker A:Well, that seems shitty.
Speaker A:In Roman mythology, he's known as an evil genius enticing people to sin and is often associated with family feuds.
Speaker A:He's not.
Speaker A:Not the family feud like family feuds.
Speaker A:Like the Hatfield.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker A:Like if the Hatfields McCoys were on the family feud, then Alistair would be there.
Speaker A:But, you know, so in.
Speaker A: ferno, which was published in: Speaker A:So, yeah, in there he also Gets some cool nicknames like the Executioner and the Nemesis.
Speaker A:Like that thing sounds pretty badass, right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A: And then in: Speaker A: ublic Works in Arthur Waite's: Speaker A:Oddly enough.
Speaker B:Can you imagine the red tape in hell?
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah, all hell is all bureaucracy.
Speaker A:I know there's been a ton of shows about that, but yeah, that's all it is.
Speaker A:Oddly enough though, you can get a version of that book of the Book of Black Magic.
Speaker A:They just leave off the packs.
Speaker A:You can find that at target for $24.99 and it's listed under the Diet, Health and.
Speaker A:And fitness books.
Speaker A:I shit you not.
Speaker A:That was like.
Speaker B:That was interesting location, right?
Speaker A:It was just like, okay, I guess Black Magic is fitness, health.
Speaker B:I mean, is it pretty interactive?
Speaker B:Do you have to go forage for things?
Speaker A:I mean, if you like.
Speaker B:I guess if you're dance around in the moon naked.
Speaker B:I mean, like, I don't know, like, I mean, that seems like it could be exercise.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:As I say, a bunch of stereotypical and probably inaccurate things.
Speaker A:Yeah, whatever.
Speaker A:Alistair is also known as infernal and infernal Judge, which to me sounds like something Yosemite Sam would call a judge like you Infernal Judge.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:And a last few fun facts about Alistair.
Speaker A:If you kind of go with the idea of demons being fallen angels, they said he was a destroyer angel like Uriel and.
Speaker A:But he got thrown down to hell for doing something that was quote unquote heinous.
Speaker A:He also, I think this is kind of interesting.
Speaker A:He thinks that torture should fit the sinner sins.
Speaker A:And that was why they called him the evil genius of the household where the household was hell.
Speaker A:And the evil genius because he thinks up the best or the worst torture.
Speaker A:Like, I was watching.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker A:Things Liz watched this week.
Speaker A:I watched some weird shit.
Speaker A:There was a. I survived on Vice and it was about this guy who was kidnapped in Mexico and he was held captive for something like 200 days in a box.
Speaker A:And in the box all they did would play like the.
Speaker A:The narco ballads, like the Tejano Narco songs, like.
Speaker A:And they would play like two of them over and over again loudly, 24 hours a day for like almost a year.
Speaker A:That's fucked up.
Speaker A:So in hell, if Alistair got those guys, then he would tie them up and do the same thing to them them or like something like one song.
Speaker B:And It's a Barbie girl.
Speaker A:Just over.
Speaker A:That's all you get.
Speaker A:You get Barbie girl for the rest of eternity.
Speaker A:What you deserve, guys.
Speaker A:You do.
Speaker A:All right, so just wanted to give you guys that brief floor.
Speaker A:So, like I said, they're spelled very differently, but based on what I know is coming, and just because the things he's demonstrating here, I think that may be a pretty good idea that he was based on that.
Speaker A:All right, so they're gonna.
Speaker A:They're gonna do something nuts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam manages to get the.
Speaker B:Get their.
Speaker B:Their demon blade and sneak up and stab the.
Speaker B:Stab the demon, Alistair.
Speaker B:But demon's like, you have to try harder than that.
Speaker B:But he struggles a little bit, just enough that Dean can get away.
Speaker B:And so the.
Speaker B:We have a very dramatic scene where Sam and Dean look at each other, and then they look at a window and they run and they jump out the window together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, Patalecki said that was probably one of the biggest stunts like they had done to date, is pretty big.
Speaker A:But I thought this was interesting.
Speaker A:So this is from the Supernatural Companion and Lou Bolo, who is the stunt coordinator.
Speaker A:So he said it was challenging in the sense that, you know, we couldn't.
Speaker A:Well, we couldn't chance hurting them.
Speaker A:I don't know why that's challenging.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can't hurt Sam or Dean.
Speaker A:That seems like.
Speaker A:Yeah, can't hurt anybody.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But the glass was candy glass.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that makes sense.
Speaker A:A resin that's very brittle and light.
Speaker A:I could eat it if I wanted to.
Speaker A:I could chew it and I wouldn't get cut.
Speaker A:Please don't eat the glass, dude.
Speaker A:That's weird.
Speaker A:But he said when you put the window in, the supporting pieces are usually made of balsa wood, which you can back cut, and it'll break easily.
Speaker A:But if you happen to land on it and a sharp piece is sticking out and you've got a body coming down on it, that's not a good thing.
Speaker A:So what they did was they had the pieces that the glass sits in made out of foam.
Speaker A:And it's a special kind of foam that when it breaks, it doesn't show white.
Speaker A:It shows a dark brownish color that kind of looks like wood.
Speaker A:It breaks easily.
Speaker A:But the key thing about it is when you lay it down and jump on it, it just collapses like gut, like dust.
Speaker A:Isn't that weird?
Speaker A:I also want to find this foam.
Speaker A:I'm like, what?
Speaker A:I didn't know that existed?
Speaker B:To be informed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I guess I never really thought.
Speaker A:You know, I always thought about them.
Speaker A:Breaking through like fake glass, like using candy glass and like jumping into matte.
Speaker A:That makes sense.
Speaker A:But I never thought about the pieces that like held it together, so.
Speaker B:No, neither like the candy glass.
Speaker B:Like you said, you think about that.
Speaker B:But there the connect connectivity of it matters too, I guess.
Speaker A:And also did they find out about that the hard way?
Speaker B:Somebody must have.
Speaker A:Somebody found out.
Speaker B:Somebody.
Speaker A:Yeah, someone got stabbed the window.
Speaker A:I really hope you stunt guy.
Speaker A:I hope you lived.
Speaker A:Good on you.
Speaker B:Ouch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, well, let's.
Speaker A:They've jumped up the window.
Speaker B:They have jumped through the window.
Speaker B:But guess who has their fucking demon knife?
Speaker B:Still Alistair.
Speaker B:Because it's still inside of his body, dumbasses.
Speaker B:That seems bad.
Speaker B:So we cut to a motel room.
Speaker B:Dean and Sam are in there.
Speaker B:Dean's spitting up blood in the sink.
Speaker B:Sam stitching up his arm and getting ready to pop.
Speaker B:Dean's dislocated shoulder back in place.
Speaker A:Is it wrong that I. I find Jared paddle like he's sewing up his arm.
Speaker A:Kind of hot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's weird, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I knew it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's just move on.
Speaker A:Let's just like.
Speaker B:But see.
Speaker B:But see, I would be.
Speaker B:I'd be on the.
Speaker B:Like I was like, okay, like, not.
Speaker B:Not like I would like a mouth rinse.
Speaker B:But the Dean with the little bit of like spitting up blood and a little bit beat up.
Speaker A:That worked for you?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I mean.
Speaker B:And really tough guy problems.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was just like, you know, it's.
Speaker A:It's pretty hardcore to like sew up your arms.
Speaker A:Also stupid.
Speaker A:Like there are so many other ways that you can fix that.
Speaker A:Like in first aid, like get some fucking.
Speaker A:Like the bond like liquid bandage.
Speaker A:Do something like instead of sewing up your arm.
Speaker B:And were they drinking like fucking sherry?
Speaker A:Like what the fuck was it was.
Speaker B:Supposed to look like?
Speaker B:Whiskey.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they get to the point where, you know, like Sam like takes the whiskey that.
Speaker A:That he's.
Speaker A:That Dean's drinking and he like pours on his arm and I'm like, put some disinfectant in trunk.
Speaker A:Like just buy some actual alcohol.
Speaker A:Like not drinking alcohol.
Speaker A:Or just like some back teen.
Speaker A:You could spray it some Neosporin.
Speaker A:It's like a dollar.
Speaker A:Guys.
Speaker A:Buy some fucking hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker B:Hydrogen peroxide.
Speaker B:Very easy to come by.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or if you're just gonna pour liquor on it, you might as well get some rubbing alcohol and just let it fucking burn.
Speaker A:Like, do you not have a first aid kit?
Speaker A:Like just put like an actual bandage.
Speaker B:You have a.
Speaker B:You Have a needle and thread, but you don't have disinfectant.
Speaker A:You don't disinfect it.
Speaker A:Or gauze.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's whatever.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:All right, so there we go.
Speaker B:All right, so we're gonna go.
Speaker B:They're arguing a little bit, but Dean's.
Speaker B:Sam realizes that Dean knows who that demon was.
Speaker B:And they're discussing that Ruby has Anna.
Speaker B:And Dean's kind of, like, really kind of questioning, like, are you so sure about trusting Ruby?
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, we need to lay low and wait for her.
Speaker B:And Sadine's like, why do you trust her so much?
Speaker B:And Sam tells she saved my life.
Speaker B:And we get another flashback.
Speaker B:So six months earlier.
Speaker B:Again, we have Sam stumbling down the hallway at a motel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he gets ambushed when he.
Speaker B:By this guy and a girl demon.
Speaker B:And she takes the knife from him.
Speaker B:And we realize it's this random blonde person that we've never seen before.
Speaker B:But this is Ruby in a different body.
Speaker A:This is Ruby's first meat suit of the episode.
Speaker A:Well, I guess technically it's her second meat suit, but yeah.
Speaker A:All right, so this is the first actress playing Ruby, which is kind of fun.
Speaker A:That is kind of a fun thing.
Speaker A:All right, so we get.
Speaker A:I guess I don't call it the second or the first second.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's very well, because the other.
Speaker A:Because Genevieve was in the earlier one.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:Because Genevieve and, you know, whatever.
Speaker A:All right, so not Genevieve is Ruby.
Speaker A:And she wants her knife back.
Speaker B:And she's.
Speaker B:Yeah, she wants her knife back.
Speaker B:And she got back in Lilith's good graces by agreeing to find Sam and kill him.
Speaker B:So she's gonna do it.
Speaker B:He's like, yeah, do it.
Speaker B:And then she kills the other demon instead and tells Sam to grab his keys and go.
Speaker B:So we see Sam and Ruby now driving down the highway.
Speaker B:And she's like, I really want French fries because I just got it ahead.
Speaker B:Which is fair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, she deserves a treat.
Speaker A:We all want fries.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm pretty sure that's all I want.
Speaker A:But also, you know, I kind of started thinking about this.
Speaker A:Like, that first scene, like, as we're about to get into this dialogue.
Speaker A:Like that first part where he was that drunk, it was almost like he really just wanted to die there.
Speaker A:Like he was on Suicide by Demon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Suicide by Demon.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And she's saying that, like, look, I'm on the run with you now.
Speaker B:I'm a fugitive because of you.
Speaker B:And for you, when Lilith gets pissed, she gets creative.
Speaker B:I'm just trying to help, but I can't save Dean.
Speaker B:And he's like, well, then I've got no fucking use for you.
Speaker B:Where did you get that body that you're writing?
Speaker B:And doesn't that sound gross, too?
Speaker A:The body that you're writing?
Speaker B:Like, ugh, yeah.
Speaker B:And she's like, you've never asked that before.
Speaker B:And some secretary, he's like, yeah, you need to let her go or.
Speaker B:Or just.
Speaker B:Or I'm going to send you back to hell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and at least, like, that's a conscious question.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, who are you in?
Speaker A:Like, this is kind of fucked up.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're writing somebody without consent.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we see.
Speaker B:We cut to a hospital where there's a Jane Doe who's getting unplugged from life support.
Speaker B:And this is Roy.
Speaker B:Genevieve.
Speaker B:It's brunette Ruby.
Speaker B:Basically, that's what I defined.
Speaker B:I started like, we got blonde Ruby.
Speaker B:Okay, we had brunette Ruby.
Speaker B:Blonde Ruby.
Speaker B:Now back to brunette Ruby.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker B:After they unplug her, she, like, pops up and sits up awake and says, who do I have to kill to get some French fries around here?
Speaker A:Which is awesome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's also how they.
Speaker B:They really tie to the audience and tell them clearly, this is Ruby still.
Speaker B:Yes, A clever way to do it.
Speaker B:It's clever.
Speaker A:And maybe you want fries.
Speaker A:All right, so now we're going to cut to Sam at a squat.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's squatting in some, like, abandoned.
Speaker A:House, but it actually kind of looks like a nice abandoned house.
Speaker A:Like, if I was going to squat the place.
Speaker A:So, like, that's kind of romantic.
Speaker A:Like, it's got, like, little, like, vines going through the windows, little candles everywhere.
Speaker A:Probably got a Ouija board in there.
Speaker A:Like, I think I would feel at home in the squat.
Speaker B:I'm sure you would.
Speaker B:Like the sunlight glistening through the vine leaves of the window that had been broken out.
Speaker B:Squat houses don't look like that.
Speaker B:I'm just saying they're disgusting.
Speaker A:They're full of trash and dirty diapers and.
Speaker A:And, like, use needles, like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And sometimes corpses.
Speaker B:Yeah, gross.
Speaker A:I bet there's a corpse in that house.
Speaker A:All right, well, there is about to be one, because here comes Ribby.
Speaker B:And she informs him that her body is socially conscious and has his medical records for it.
Speaker B:And she made sure, quote, the apartment was empty.
Speaker B:End quote.
Speaker B:Which, I mean, I guess that is fair.
Speaker A:I mean, okay, it seems like a reasonable.
Speaker A:Like, she said Al Gore would approve it does seem like a reasonable, like, sustainable way to show.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:I'm just like, poor shit's about to come out of my mouth.
Speaker A:She's so resilient, you know, Use reusing that.
Speaker A:That corpse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, so eco friendly possessions.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Eco friendly.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So she's like, look, I.
Speaker B:Like I said I can't help you bring Dean back.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:I can't do that, but I can help you get to Lilith and teach you how to use your powers.
Speaker B:He's like, all right, let's do it.
Speaker B:And she's like, btw, if you hadn't figured this out, Lilith is a scary bitch.
Speaker B:Let's take time to get this right.
Speaker B:So I need to be patient and so.
Speaker B:And sober.
Speaker B:Apparently, Sam and drinking a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, he wasn't fighting too good.
Speaker A:I mean, he was just, you know.
Speaker A:And I'm sure he looks like he smells.
Speaker A:He smells real bad.
Speaker A:I'm surprised.
Speaker A:Hey, like, you should go shower because you clearly stink.
Speaker A:I can smell you through my tv.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna cut back to Sam and Dean.
Speaker B:And Dean's kind of, like, looking at him like, the fuck.
Speaker B:He's like, so what did she teach you?
Speaker B:And Sam's like, that I'm a crap student.
Speaker B:So we get another flashback, and they've got a possessed person tied up, and they're trying.
Speaker B:She's trying to teach Sam how to do the demon tug.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:She's just like his instructor on the demon tugging.
Speaker A:But again, like, he just can't get it up.
Speaker A:Like he just can't get that demon out.
Speaker A:You know, he's trying to.
Speaker A:He's trying.
Speaker A:He's pushing.
Speaker A:He's tugging.
Speaker A:He's tugging.
Speaker A:And the demon thinks it's funny.
Speaker B:And the demon thinks, yeah, there's, like, he gets a little bit of it, little bit to come out, and then it goes back in.
Speaker A:Is that like pre demon?
Speaker B:It's pre demon.
Speaker B:It was pre demon.
Speaker B:So Sam's nose is bleeding from exerting so hard.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So the demon starts laughing, and Ruby stabs him and says, it's not funny.
Speaker A:It's not funny, Sam.
Speaker A:It's not funny.
Speaker A:Your predeamen isn't funny.
Speaker A:So then she just.
Speaker A:Things just get weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Weird.
Speaker B:Yeah, she's.
Speaker B:She reminds.
Speaker B:She reminds him that she used to be human.
Speaker B:And then she kissed.
Speaker B:Like, she kisses him and insists that it's only her inside of that body.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:My line says Ruby says some very uncomfortable things while she tries to fuck Sam.
Speaker A:And basically she is just.
Speaker A:I am just going to rub myself on you.
Speaker A:And my body is soft and warm.
Speaker A:And then I throw up in my mouth.
Speaker A:Ladies, ladies.
Speaker A:If you were trying to guess, seducing Jared Pedalecki works since they're fucking married.
Speaker A:But I would in general say it's nice inside this body.
Speaker A:Soft and.
Speaker A:And warm is the only thing you would maybe say into a serial killer.
Speaker A:Like, it was a week.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, whoa, okay, then that.
Speaker B:She just said that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And, yeah, and then they're starting to get.
Speaker B:Get hot and heavy, if you will.
Speaker B:And Dean interrupts this flashback by saying, too much information.
Speaker A:So it is.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Tmi.
Speaker A:Tmi.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker B:And I was kind of like.
Speaker B:Though almost like Dean saying that to somebody.
Speaker B:Okay, that seems ridiculous.
Speaker A:And, you know, he said worse to him, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:But now I feel dirty, like, of course.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure you do, Dean.
Speaker B:Whatevs.
Speaker B:Anyway, so Dean's like, look, I still don't get why you trust her.
Speaker B:Then.
Speaker B:This is just because this chick's manipulative and y' all hooked up.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, no, no, there's more.
Speaker B:There's more to it.
Speaker B:They've.
Speaker B:You know, they.
Speaker B:They started putting together omens.
Speaker B:They figure out when Lilith was in town.
Speaker B:And Sam wanted to go for it, but Ruby's like, no, you're not ready yet.
Speaker B:He's like, no, I'm gonna go do it.
Speaker B:And then she's like, oh, no, you're gonna.
Speaker B:You're gonna.
Speaker B:You're trying to go suicide by demon with Lilith.
Speaker B:And she.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:That's not what.
Speaker B:That's not what Dean died for.
Speaker A:But also, what?
Speaker A:Ruby?
Speaker A:Like, that just seems like total bullshit.
Speaker A:Anyways,.
Speaker B:So now we cut to five months earlier.
Speaker B:Sam walks up to a house and.
Speaker B:And he's got the.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's got the demon knife.
Speaker B:And he walks up to this table, or he walks.
Speaker B:He's walking through the house and he sees the dining room table laden with dessert, which look lovely.
Speaker B:And there's a little girl sitting there.
Speaker B:And kind of flashes back to when we.
Speaker B:Like when we first saw Lilith as a little girl.
Speaker B:And you're like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:Little girl with a bunch of sweets.
Speaker B:This could be an evil little bitch.
Speaker B:But no, this little girl turns around crying, please, I want to go home.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, fuck.
Speaker B:He was about to stab a little girl again.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he even start with a demon tuck.
Speaker A:Like, he wasn't.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Okay, now that's getting really inappropriate.
Speaker A:But I mean, at this point, I mean, I mean, it's a child, Sam.
Speaker A:Like, ask, like, talk to the child.
Speaker A:And also, this poor child needs so much therapy.
Speaker A:So much therapy, and no one's gonna believe her.
Speaker A:She's gonna be girl interrupted for a while.
Speaker A:They're gonna girl interrupt her ass.
Speaker B:Yeah, until she just represses it and has to pretend like it didn't happen because it's the only way she can process it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then she's gonna end up dating a bunch of skanky men who come out with her knives.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I know your future.
Speaker A:I know your future.
Speaker A:I'm sorry, girl.
Speaker B:So she gets so.
Speaker B:Dean.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Sam gets attacked by two demons, one from each side.
Speaker B:Since regrets that she couldn't.
Speaker B:That she couldn't make it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Well, fuck.
Speaker B:Now.
Speaker B:They thought they had all figured out they were tracked both down, and they didn't.
Speaker B:But right then, Ruby shows up and she starts.
Speaker B:She kills one of the demons and tells Sam to take the girl and run.
Speaker B:So Sam does, but then he stops because one of these demons is really fucking Ruby up.
Speaker B:So Sam has to do the demon tug on him.
Speaker A:And he's finally successful.
Speaker A:He demon tugs to completion and the demon is sucked out and then goes.
Speaker B:Is he sucked off?
Speaker B:Like, on Ghosts?
Speaker A:Yes, he is sucked off and he goes to hell.
Speaker A:That's so great.
Speaker B:I don't know if y' all watch the TV show Ghosts.
Speaker A:Well, it's diff.
Speaker A:I think it's on the British one.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Wait, TV to the British?
Speaker A:When it's just.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've only watched the American one, so.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:That was a reference there.
Speaker B:All right, so back to the.
Speaker B:At their hotel, we see, you know, it's Sam and Dean still talking.
Speaker B:And he's like.
Speaker B:Sam's like, look, Ruby saved me.
Speaker B:She got through to me.
Speaker B:It wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here.
Speaker B:And then we get a knock at the door.
Speaker B:It's housekeeping.
Speaker B:And this housekeeping person is really fucking adamant about bringing them towels.
Speaker B:Like, very adamant.
Speaker B:Like, I'm comfortably adamant about it.
Speaker A:Well, he's also pretty rude.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker A:The people cleaning your house, your hotel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also, if you really don't want them in there and they say, please don't, they should go away.
Speaker A:They should go away.
Speaker A:And granted, yes, back and forth in that.
Speaker A:But also, like, man, like, you just got blood over that place.
Speaker A:Like, there's just, like, teeth everywhere.
Speaker A:Like, you better leave that woman a tip.
Speaker A:And he was just like, can't you just leave the towels on the door?
Speaker B:Jeez.
Speaker A:God.
Speaker A:And then she's just like, fuck off, Dean.
Speaker A:But not really.
Speaker B:So the housekeeper walks in, and it's a African American woman dressed in a very traditional maid outfit for this motel, which I thought was a little interesting, but anyways, walks in, closes all the windows, hands off fresh towels, and then hands a note to Sam and says, I'm at this address.
Speaker B:There's demons in the hallway.
Speaker B:Go out the bathroom window and don't take the car.
Speaker B:So it's like, oh, shit, that's Ruby.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, it's Ruby.
Speaker A:So for once, don't take your very obvious car.
Speaker B:You're really loud, easy to really see once, man.
Speaker A:Just leave the car behind.
Speaker A:We love baby, but just let.
Speaker A:Let her be for a second.
Speaker A:We're going for stealth, secret, like, demons.
Speaker B:And she's like, yeah, I'm possessing this maid's body for a minute.
Speaker B:Coma girl, body is slowly rotting on the cabin floor with Anna.
Speaker B:So I've got to get back.
Speaker B:So go like, okay, well, question.
Speaker B:What the fuck happens?
Speaker A:How long can she stay out until she can zoom back in?
Speaker A:Why can she zoom back in?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Well, because that coma girl, like, was gonna die off of life support unless Ruby was there, right?
Speaker A:So I guess maybe, like, Anna will give her CPR when she gets back.
Speaker A:I know how she'll be back.
Speaker A:Maybe she's like, start CPR in like a minute.
Speaker A:And then she's like, okay.
Speaker A:Or she's got the Pulp Fiction thing,.
Speaker B:Like the adrenaline shot.
Speaker B:I got the impression that once it.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:As soon as Ruby's back in the body, it comes back.
Speaker B:That's the impression I got.
Speaker B:It's just a weird time in between where the body could be slowly dying.
Speaker A:Yeah, but other.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker A:We'll probably get into way more meat suit possession things either, but anyway, so, yeah, so we're gonna cut.
Speaker B:And Dean looks completely shook by this whole scene, though, by the way.
Speaker A:Just like, what the hell the fuck?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they get to the cabin and Anna's like, ruby really isn't like other demons.
Speaker B:She saved my life.
Speaker A:She's not like other demons.
Speaker A:And then she's like, by the way, I want to ask about my parents again.
Speaker A:Awkward.
Speaker B:We also get an another incredibly awkward thing where Dean kind of acknowledges that he hasn't been nice to Ruby.
Speaker B:Not really an apology, but an implication of one, kind of.
Speaker A:So Sam finally tells Ruby, tells Anna that her parents are dead.
Speaker A:Oops.
Speaker A:She cries.
Speaker A:It's uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then we hear they're coming.
Speaker B:And lights flicker and Everybody starts preparing for demons to show up, but that's not what Anna meant.
Speaker B:What is Anna hearing?
Speaker B:Anna hears fucking angels, right?
Speaker B:So, duh.
Speaker B:Door blows open after lights are flickering, and Castiel walks in with Uriel, and Dean says, please tell me you're here to help.
Speaker B:We've had demon issues all day.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Uriel calls Ruby a stain, which I thought was really Uriel.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:You're a dick.
Speaker A:And you just say, like, the stupidest things, man.
Speaker A:They're gonna face off.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Castiel delivers upsetting news, talking about Anna.
Speaker B:We're here for her because she has to die.
Speaker B:It's mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're mean.
Speaker B:It's not her fault that she's the, you know, a weak spot in their own security.
Speaker B:It's not right.
Speaker B:She didn't ask to be listening to their conversations.
Speaker A:Well, we don't know if that's why they want to kill her.
Speaker A:Maybe they want to kill her because the demons want to get her, so.
Speaker A:Because they don't want to make her a demon trophy, like, you know, like, it's, like, silence.
Speaker A:You're silencing your spy.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, that's why I say.
Speaker B:I assume that they want to kill her to prevent her from falling into the demon's hands.
Speaker B:That's really all it is.
Speaker A:Sounds like something somebody from Russia would do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Y' all sound like Russians.
Speaker B:That is some commie.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Some Putin shit.
Speaker A:The fucking Putin shit.
Speaker A:You know, there's a whole bunch of, like, spies who were underneath, like, him, who are just disappearing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Putin shit.
Speaker B:Putin shit.
Speaker B:I appreciated that we got some good backstory, because I think there was a lot of, like, you know, there was the implication to us as the viewer about the relationship between Sam and Ruby, which I don't think is still fully fleshed out, but.
Speaker B:But I think that was important to start, like, laying some of that groundwork and then also getting some of Anna's background to further explore the seals.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yes, it was mostly an explanatory episode, which was not as fun.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's not as fun.
Speaker A:And there was a couple of fun moments in it, but there's some funny lines.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:You can really tell this was a lot of.
Speaker A:It was a plot device.
Speaker A:And I don't know.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:I think it was longer than it needs to be.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:We'll see when we get to the next one whether or not, like, that could have just been one episode.
Speaker A:I'm sure a bunch of shit already ended up on the cutting room floor, but whatever.
Speaker A:Anyhow, so we are.
Speaker A:So that was season episode 9.
Speaker A:Next time will be episode 10.
Speaker A:There are actually 22 this season, so we.
Speaker A:We still gotta wait.
Speaker A:Go, guys.
Speaker A:So what happens with the Demomania Demonia?
Speaker A:Demon Mania?
Speaker A:Demonia.
Speaker B:Demonia.
Speaker A:Demoniacs.
Speaker A:Demoniacs.
Speaker B:It's like the Animaniacs.
Speaker A:Yeah, but we are the demonic.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I think that's it.
Speaker B:That's all we got.
Speaker A:We're tired.
Speaker A:We're drained.
Speaker A:All right.
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