4:20 The Rapture
Liz can't type 4:20 without giggling but that is the episode of Supernatural we are talking about aka The Rapture. Diana is a walking study of Demonology. Liz rants (shocking) about why she hates Ed and Lorraine Warren when she dives into the story behind the possession of David Glatzel and Arne Cheyenne Johnson and the Demon Murder case.
Research Links
- The True Story Behind 'The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It' | Mental Floss
- Everything The Conjuring 3 Leaves Out About The True Story
- 'The Conjuring 3': Forgotten Son Rails Against 'Demonic Possession' Story | Snopes.com
- Conn. man sues, saying demon murder claim was a hoax | Archives | journalinquirer.com
- In a Connecticut Murder Trial, Will (Demonic) Possession Prove Nine-Tenths of the Law? | PEOPLE.com
- 'Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It' And Arne Johnson's Trial | True Crime Buzz
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we'll talk about the possession workout.
Speaker A:Just give your body over for 30 minutes and let the demon do the work.
Speaker B:And also how on upcoming, on this week's episode of Dateline, the sad story of Amelia Novak.
Speaker B:Her husband Jimmy disappeared.
Speaker B:Then what happened?
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm Liz.
Speaker A:We're Gonna Talk Season 4, Episode 20, the Rapture.
Speaker A:We are super close to the end of the season and you can feel the intensity or something.
Speaker B:Is that what you call it?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I thought it was gas.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:How are you doing?
Speaker A:I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker A:We had a fun weekend together.
Speaker A:Aw.
Speaker B:Oh, that's right.
Speaker B:You were just here.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:And we got to go enjoy some time in the hill country.
Speaker A:Babe and I made a trek to go spend time with Liz in the hill country and have foods and drinks and wines and sit outside and.
Speaker A:And have tiki drinks and good stuff.
Speaker B:Yep, it was a great weekend.
Speaker B:I don't remember most of it, so.
Speaker A:It was a good weekend.
Speaker B:So I don't really know what we have to catch people up on because we were together.
Speaker B:So I think that could be a very short.
Speaker A:We posted some stories to Insta.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:And because of that fun weekend that Liz doesn't remember, I'm drinking a cherry vanilla Coke Zero tonight because my.
Speaker A:My, my body needs it.
Speaker A:Something about it.
Speaker B:Well, I am drinking something called crisp and crude Mellow Mule.
Speaker B:It is a non alcoholic cocktail with botanical terpenes.
Speaker B:Terpenes?
Speaker A:Turpa Turpin.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Pineapple Express Terpenes.
Speaker B:You ask.
Speaker B:And so that says mood lifting, botanical extracts, citrusy and herbaceous, relaxing and exciting.
Speaker B:So drop your worries, take it easy, and go with the flow.
Speaker B:And yes, I will because I also poured a fuckload of rum into it because I had a day and I was like, oh, this non alcoholic, it's delicious.
Speaker B:And so once you add the rum to it.
Speaker B:And I did use the high rums white, which was one of the things that we did this weekend.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But yeah, I just put the.
Speaker B:Put a bunch of rum and then on alcoholic cocktail.
Speaker A:I mean, that sounds very reasonable to me.
Speaker A:At least you got a good.
Speaker A:And I'm getting Hiram for bringing us out to hang out at their new tiki room, which is freaking amazing.
Speaker A:We hope to share with you guys eventually.
Speaker A:But yeah, yeah, that tiki room was Sexy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, yeah.
Speaker B:So hopefully this will make me a mellow mule.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:But the ginger actually feels pretty good on my tummy, so, you know.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker B:And it's an local Austin thing, so.
Speaker A:Hooray.
Speaker B:More local makers.
Speaker B:I don't think there's too much going on.
Speaker B:Walker is almost done.
Speaker B:The Boys, I think the last episode comes out.
Speaker B:Jensen Ackles is up to 42 on the IMDb star list.
Speaker B:Freaking high.
Speaker B:Like, remember last week?
Speaker B:He was, like, 67.
Speaker A:We were impressed with that.
Speaker B:That would.
Speaker B:That is very impressive.
Speaker B:I mean, there are, like, hundreds of thousands of people on there.
Speaker B:I'm like, dude, you're worth a lot of money.
Speaker B:He's making money, or at least a lot of clout.
Speaker A:Like, And I think I saw that he is, like.
Speaker A:They made a point of saying that he is still in the Austin area at this point is my understanding, too, from some social.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, he's.
Speaker B:He's still a hometown boy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Boys is reaching a totally different audience, too, obviously now.
Speaker A:I mean, I know he's got his fan base that's gonna follow him there, but I feel like there's people.
Speaker A:There's a large naked.
Speaker A:Well, that too, but I feel there's a large fan base that may not be Supernatural fans, but would be.
Speaker B:And, like, his butt.
Speaker A:Yeah, that too.
Speaker B:It's a good butt.
Speaker B:I mean, I am.
Speaker A:I'm really far behind on the Boys, so.
Speaker A:Have not started this season.
Speaker A:I'm also behind on Walker, I will say.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:No, also, I. I just.
Speaker B:I am waiting for it to end.
Speaker B:To end.
Speaker B:And then I'm going to binge it without commercials, which is what I did last time, so.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And the boys, I mean, I do have, like, 18 hours of travel coming up soon that I'm going to need some content for.
Speaker B:I will say, though, I started watching the first episode while I was on an airplane.
Speaker B:And for those of you who have seen season three of the Boys, episode one,.
Speaker A:Probably not airplane.
Speaker A:Airport.
Speaker A:Not airplane viewing with people immediately next to you.
Speaker B:One of those there is.
Speaker B:Remember what we were talking about?
Speaker B:The people shrinking and going inside of bodies.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That happens in there, and I'm just going to spoil it.
Speaker B:It happens with a rectum.
Speaker B:And so there is a very large rectum and the inside of it and a person in there, you know?
Speaker B:And, like, it is very graphic.
Speaker B:And clearly someone is getting fucked in the ass.
Speaker B:While I'm, like, looking around, I'm like, hmm, okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Then some things, you know, like, respect Your neighbors, but also like, I just don't want them.
Speaker B:I'm like, I don't like this, but maybe I would.
Speaker B:I mean, it seems reasonable anyways, so.
Speaker B:But that does not happen to Jensen Ackles.
Speaker B:Nothing goes in his ass that I know of.
Speaker B:At least that I haven't.
Speaker B:Haven't gotten to that.
Speaker B:If it does, I'm not there yet.
Speaker A:I meant of all of the wincest fans, apparently.
Speaker B:No, but we're gonna have some moments for some fanfic in this episode, I think so this is the Rapture.
Speaker B:And it is Season 4, Episode 20.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:Remember the last time we saw him was sex and violence.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So yeah, you probably got banned for that video.
Speaker B:Diana.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah, we were talking about why.
Speaker B:Why some places want to ban our stuff.
Speaker B:They want to take away our free speec, not allow us to play exploited videos.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But anyhow, this was written also by one of our faves, Jeremy Carver.
Speaker B:And so one thing I think that was interesting that you people may not know.
Speaker B:And this is from Supernatural Wiki.
Speaker B:I think while there wasn't any music during the opening scene, if you have the closed captions on it, said Credence Clearwater Revivals Green river playing.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:So this maybe was supposed to be CCR and they decided not to.
Speaker B:And then they got left in the cc.
Speaker B:But isn't that cool?
Speaker A:Yeah, kind of weird.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:Well, all right.
Speaker B:So Dean is looking zen as fuck.
Speaker B:I want my dreams to be like this.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:You don't have these calming, relaxing dreams of fishing on a pier by yourself?
Speaker B:No, I do not have those type of dreams.
Speaker A:I know you don't.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And then Castiel appears.
Speaker A:So now that's how Dean knows he's dreaming and not having a Zen ass day at the fucking lake.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And he is.
Speaker A:Castiel's very worried, hands Dean a note and says, it's not safe and they need to go meet.
Speaker B:So he makes this very creepy comment that people could be listening.
Speaker B:And Dean's like, you're in my head.
Speaker B:And Cass is all like, yeah, they can't be listening.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:That's fucked up, man.
Speaker B:Like, leave my dreams alone.
Speaker B:Well, unless, like, you're gonna go in there and you're gonna help me out and I'm not gonna have any more weird, like, cat baby dreams and, like, people will stop chasing me.
Speaker B:Like, that would be fantastic.
Speaker B:I would love that cast.
Speaker B:Like, if you can do that, cool.
Speaker B:Otherwise, get the fuck out of my head.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So go now.
Speaker B:And so we cut to him going now.
Speaker A:Sam and Dean are going.
Speaker A:They found another abandoned industrial building.
Speaker A:Because there is no shortage of these in Supernatural.
Speaker B:There is not.
Speaker B:And apparently the boys and Misha got into some shenanigans.
Speaker B:And we're breaking some of the windows in the warehouse just for the fuck of it.
Speaker B:And they got in trouble.
Speaker B:Bad, bad boys.
Speaker A:Bad boys.
Speaker A:But it's been.
Speaker A:This building's been extra fucked up and obviously recently.
Speaker A:So they are supposing there may have been some kind of a fight.
Speaker A:And there's some symbols in blood on the wall, the same ones that were used to send an angel back.
Speaker B:And doesn't this feel very CSI to you?
Speaker B:Like, I'm getting this very procedural walkthrough moment of like.
Speaker B:Well, I posit there may have been a fight here.
Speaker B:I'm like, no shit, Sherlock.
Speaker B:Of course there is a fight here.
Speaker B:And then, like, indeed.
Speaker A:Just like, there's electrical wires sparking behind you.
Speaker A:Obviously that means there was a fight.
Speaker A:We're watching television.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then, like, he's got this flashlight and he's like, check it out.
Speaker B:And it's like, look familiar?
Speaker B:And it's like, almost like.
Speaker B:Want them to take sunglasses off and, like, wipe them at this point.
Speaker B:But, you know, after they find the sigil on the wall, which Dean's like, oh, haha, I recognize this because he is Sherlock.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They find something in the rubble and it's not good.
Speaker A:No, it's not good.
Speaker A:It's Castiel unconscious.
Speaker A:But is it Castiel?
Speaker A:No, no, no, it's Jimmy, the vessel.
Speaker A:Because Castiel is gone.
Speaker B:Cass is gone.
Speaker B:Where has Cass gone?
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker B:But we know that Jimmy's hungry, hungry, hungry.
Speaker A:It's been months.
Speaker A:That is just mean, by the way, Castiel, you take care of your vessel.
Speaker B:It does just make.
Speaker B:I don't understand the vessel.
Speaker B:I don't understand.
Speaker B:Like, they can, like, come back to life, but you don't have to feed it.
Speaker B:And then, like, if it's got a demon in it, this blood's gonna go.
Speaker B:I don't understand this.
Speaker B:I just don't.
Speaker B:So how come it's like a Tamagotchi character?
Speaker B:Like, you've got to, like, does that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And, you know, it's like, you've got to feed it water, though.
Speaker B:They die.
Speaker B:Like, isn't the same thing true with your vessel?
Speaker A:Like, I would think so.
Speaker A:But there was an episode of Bob's Burgers recently with one of those it was really funny.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Extra funny to me right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So there they go back to the motel and the brothers are just like watching and they're like.
Speaker A:But they're.
Speaker A:What happened?
Speaker A:But Jimmy's like, I don't remember.
Speaker A:I just had a flash of light.
Speaker A:It was kind of like being strapped to a comet.
Speaker A:And that's all I got.
Speaker A:I don't know what he wanted to tell you guys.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:I'm just getting it back from Pontiac, Illinois.
Speaker A:I want to go back to my family and kid.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So Pontiac, Illinois is interesting because this is the town near where Dean was buried and came back to life at the beginning of the season.
Speaker B:So that is an interesting coincidence.
Speaker B:A coincidence or not.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:Co wince like Winchester like wins us.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Coincidence.
Speaker B:No, no, I can't.
Speaker B:They can't all win.
Speaker B:Also, having an angel inside you sounds really, really gross.
Speaker B:But they're going to flash back to Jimmy's family having a super nice supper with.
Speaker B:Oh my God, did you see those roles?
Speaker A:They looked delicious.
Speaker A:Dinner looked.
Speaker A:They're like lovely.
Speaker A:It was a fucking lovely looking dinner.
Speaker B:That was a fucking lovely looking dinner.
Speaker B:And those look like those yeast rolls that like, you only get like at like someone else's house.
Speaker B:Because I'm never going to give you those roles.
Speaker B:Like a grandmother, an aunt, like, or I don't know who else has those roles.
Speaker B:But I thought like something like someone dies and like you're at a church and like.
Speaker B:But yeah, I'm never going to get those roles except those occasions.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, good.
Speaker B:Good on you, Jimmy.
Speaker B:And yeah, so.
Speaker A:But Jimmy passes out on the recliner like dads do after dinner.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:And one of the things they're very pointing to, point out the Jimmy's make sure they say grace before they have dinner.
Speaker A:Very important.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So he doesn't pass it out in the recliner watching TV like you do.
Speaker A:And then the TV goes to static, which we've all learned also by now is always a bad sign.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I mean, your cable could be out.
Speaker B:Power could be going out.
Speaker B:You know, like, you could be hacked.
Speaker B:Could be a poltergeist, could be a little ring girl about to crawl out of it.
Speaker A:Oh, she scared me.
Speaker A:I don't like that.
Speaker A:And then there's a.
Speaker A:He goes to check it out, try to fix it.
Speaker A:There's a piercing sound and then he has a seizure.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's not good.
Speaker A:No, this is very.
Speaker A:I'm like, this is not good.
Speaker B:And also like the eardrums Getting out after Babe told me the store told us the story of his eardrums, like bursting on a plane.
Speaker B:I'm just like, poor, poor Jimmy in his ears.
Speaker A:That sounds.
Speaker B:That sounds bad.
Speaker B:So Sam, like now we're gonna go back to Sam and Dean kind of debating what to do with Jimmy.
Speaker B:And Sam wants to take him back to Bobby because there was angel on Angel Violet, which does sound much like that fanfic we talked about last week.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:It does sound like that.
Speaker A:But like the whole thing.
Speaker A:It's kind of funny because Dean's like, no, just send him home.
Speaker A:Fuck it, whatever.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, meh's go to Bobby's because he's our only lead.
Speaker A:Also not just because he's worried about angel on angel violence.
Speaker A:And Dean points out quite rightfully here that you remember when our job was helping people, helping them get back to their families.
Speaker A:And here you are saying, no, we can't let him go back to his family.
Speaker A:Now to be fair, Sam does have a point.
Speaker A:It's not safe for Jimmy to be just like out in the world if people know that he was inhabited by an angel recently.
Speaker A:But this is one.
Speaker B:That's not his motivation though.
Speaker B:Like, he's just like, no, I want to.
Speaker B:I want to use his little meat suit for my own purposes.
Speaker A:But Right.
Speaker A:And this is just more indicative.
Speaker A:Like what last episode we had the same problem where we had seen they had a potentially a new fucking brother.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, that's cool.
Speaker A:He's a meat.
Speaker A:He's bait.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:No worries.
Speaker A:Not really.
Speaker A:Like, oh, we need to look after and train our new brother.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So they tell Jimmy that he can't because the demons, he can't go home.
Speaker A:And he is not fucking happy about it.
Speaker B:He's like, I'm done.
Speaker B:Too much.
Speaker B:This is too much.
Speaker B:I feel like that I have heard that from like every person I know, like in the past like months.
Speaker B:This is too much.
Speaker B:We feel you, Jimmy.
Speaker B:It's just too much.
Speaker B:We're done.
Speaker B:We're done.
Speaker B:Just done.
Speaker A:He is done.
Speaker A:But he's like, I want to go to my wife and kid.
Speaker A:Which is fair, but basically implies that no, no, you're a prisoner now is basically it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But then at 4:30 in the fucking morning when the Sam's up and decides to sneak out, guess who else sneaks out?
Speaker A:Oh, Jimmy does.
Speaker A:Because his warden has left him alone while Dean sleeps peacefully.
Speaker B:Yeah, at first I'm just like, cool.
Speaker B:Oh, Sam just wanted a soda.
Speaker B:But no, he like, pulls out a flask.
Speaker B:I'm like, cool.
Speaker B:Sam just wants a drink.
Speaker B:But no, it's demon blood.
Speaker B:And then I'm like, sam, why are you licking it like a fucking dog?
Speaker B:You have got a flask.
Speaker B:Like, why are you pouring this into your hand and lapping it up like a lovely dog?
Speaker B:Not a fucking dog, because all dogs are great.
Speaker A:But he wanted us to see what the fuck he was drinking.
Speaker A:But also, it was a micro.
Speaker A:I wrote down like a junkie.
Speaker B:So even though a junkie's not gonna like, spill its heroin all over his arm, he's going to prop it and he's gonna put it in his spoon proper and not waste any of it.
Speaker B:That's how you waste your blood.
Speaker B:You are a bad junkie.
Speaker B:You' bad junkie, Sam.
Speaker B:All right, so we're going to cut back to the hotel.
Speaker B:And surprisingly, Dean's not mad.
Speaker A:Sam is pissed and packing in a hurry.
Speaker A:Well, Dean's just cracking up.
Speaker A:I brushes his teeth.
Speaker A:He's like, man, you know, look, it's funny that he got away while you were just getting a refreshing Coke, you know, from the vending machine.
Speaker A:Hahaha.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I think he's also.
Speaker B:I did have a moment with somebody on a call.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna say who they were.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I doubt even my job will ever listen to us, but maybe they're for my work.
Speaker B:Maybe they were, you know, maybe it was Martha.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But they were really mad and upset and I don't like them.
Speaker B:And I was really happy about how mad and upset they were because they were upset over something stupid.
Speaker B:Like, it wasn't like anything that was like, really important.
Speaker B:It was just like a dumb, dumb fucking shit.
Speaker B:Martha.
Speaker B:Martha was upset over something dumb and.
Speaker B:But it was just so delicious just to sit there and like, I just.
Speaker B:Colin Robinson's that shit and just like sucked up his like, anger and it's just like, yeah, you're mad.
Speaker B:And that's how I think Deep was really just like, you fucking idiot.
Speaker B:Like,.
Speaker A:So Jimmy's on the bus and he's still having flashbacks to his old life, pre, pre Castiel life.
Speaker A:And he's like, help cutting peppers to help make dinner.
Speaker A:And then puts his own hand in the boiling pot of water.
Speaker B:Jimmy had impeccable knife skills.
Speaker B:Those little red peppers.
Speaker B:So Misha Collins, if you were actually, if your stunt doubled and not cut those.
Speaker B:And you have very good knife skills, I would like to eat a salad made by Misha Collins.
Speaker A:I like to use a mandolin to make that nice of a cut.
Speaker A:And then I'm always scared about cutting my hand off, but I want cutting it.
Speaker A:But, like, getting my hand on a mandolin a lot, because I can't do.
Speaker A:I don't have good knife skills.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I've got.
Speaker B:You know, I think it's an ADHD problem where it's like, my knife skills were started off really nice, and then I get really bored with the process, and I'm just like, whatever.
Speaker B:They're gonna.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna eat this shit and just, like, give up.
Speaker B:So anyways.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So his wife obviously freaks the out when she sees his hand in the boiling pot of water.
Speaker A:As you would.
Speaker B:As you would.
Speaker B:Because he's just like, nah, it's cool.
Speaker B:Like, he told me to, which is totes.
Speaker B:What do you want to hear from your husband, who is like, nah, just shove my hand in this boiling water.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Just prove him.
Speaker A:No biggie.
Speaker A:It's cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we've got our good old brothers, Winchester brothers, driving, obviously, to go find Jimmy, and guess who poofs into the backseat.
Speaker A:But our friend Anna.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And she should have flapped.
Speaker B:If she had flapped, like, maybe, like, Dean would have almost.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:He almost got into a wreck and hurt baby.
Speaker B:Like, that was very dangerous to baby, like boys, etc.
Speaker A:But he's also distracted by her because his first comment is that she looks terrific.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's horny.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:She's just like, it's not the time for you to be.
Speaker B:To be horny.
Speaker B:So now that she's an angel and the angels are junkless.
Speaker B:But she's not.
Speaker B:But she's an angel.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:But it's not.
Speaker A:Because it's one thing.
Speaker B:Can she.
Speaker B:Does she still want a bone?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's a good question.
Speaker A:It's very confusing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But, you know, she's just like.
Speaker B:Well, Sam, you look different.
Speaker B:You look weird.
Speaker A:Have you been, I don't know, sucking on demon blood?
Speaker A:She didn't say that.
Speaker A:She didn't.
Speaker B:But she's just like, something's.
Speaker B:Something's off on you.
Speaker B:I don't know what it is.
Speaker B:And then she's like.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna tell you what happened to Cass.
Speaker A:Yeah, he was dragged home.
Speaker A:And that's bad.
Speaker A:He pissed somebody off.
Speaker A:That's not good.
Speaker A:So they need to find out what Castiel wanted to tell Dean.
Speaker A:And they're afraid that Jimmy might be dead already.
Speaker A:Because it is not good that he is out on his own.
Speaker A:He is a Target is not.
Speaker B:It is not.
Speaker B:So he is.
Speaker B:He's home.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker B:We're gonna cut you there.
Speaker B:And he has got a fucking amazing porch.
Speaker A:It's a lovely front porch.
Speaker B:That porch is, man.
Speaker B:This HGTV porch.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's Little John's restoration porch.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker A:You need to watch that, though.
Speaker A:So he sees his daughter and his wife through the window, and he has another memory flashback of his wife telling him to take the pills.
Speaker A:So basically, before we get the explanation, through a series of very traumatic scenes, honestly, I would say I think it was his wife.
Speaker A:After Castiel told him a prove his faith, his wife having some doubts that he was actually being controlled or asked to do things by an angel.
Speaker A:And she thought he was not well and wanted him to start taking medication for probably delusions of some kind.
Speaker A:And she did not believe that Castiel, angels or God are talking to him.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, he's acting like.
Speaker B:A fucking schizophrenic, Right?
Speaker B:And later on we'll talk more about this.
Speaker B:But every sign he's exhibiting is a classic side of the schizophrenic.
Speaker B:Liz is not a psychologist.
Speaker B:She does not play.
Speaker B:But on tv, she just reads a lot of shit and makes up her own opinion about shit.
Speaker A:Anyway, so it's just a very upsetting scene.
Speaker B:It is, because, you know, this is a real scene that happens all the time, and it's really upsetting, but also kind of funny.
Speaker B:But, you know, and.
Speaker B:But he goes out and he's just like, you got to take your meds or I'm going to take my kids and flee.
Speaker B:Which is not what a reasonable woman does.
Speaker A:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:And he begs for Castiel for an ex.
Speaker A:You know, basically, don't let me lose my family.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:That's all he asks before he, you know, refuses to take the meds.
Speaker A:He said he just doesn't want to don't any harm.
Speaker A:He promised they're going to be okay.
Speaker A:And then there's a swirl of light, and his little girl walks outside and says, daddy.
Speaker A:And he turns and says, I'm not your father, and walks away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think, you know, one thing I really appreciate, though, when he's outside and he's yelling at the heavens, and he's just like, you know, tell me what you want.
Speaker B:Please be specific.
Speaker B:Like, you know, like, that is like, all.
Speaker B:Like, all I want for the universe is like, tell me what you want.
Speaker B:Like, and anybody.
Speaker B:Like, if it's like, if you Go to a tarot card reader, you go to an angel, you go to a priest, a pastor, whatever floats your metaphysical boat.
Speaker B:Can you be fucking specific?
Speaker B:Can you just put it out so I can make a plan about what I need to do?
Speaker B:Because, you know, like, if Cass had been specific, then, you know, he could have, like, put aside some money, like, made some offenses, make sure that Claire was going to a good school, that, you know, the boning agreements were worked out.
Speaker B:Like, who is Amelia allowed to bone?
Speaker B:Can she bone Roger?
Speaker B:Like, that's the best friend.
Speaker B:Can he sub in?
Speaker B:Like, is that fine?
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Or does it.
Speaker B:Can it only be stranger with, like, no emotions attached?
Speaker B:So she's just waiting there for him?
Speaker B:Like, these things have to be worked out.
Speaker B:But Cass is a dick.
Speaker A:Disappeared for a year.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, all that shit.
Speaker B:The Cass is like, nah.
Speaker B:And then, like, turns a little girl and scars of her life by.
Speaker B:Suck it.
Speaker B:I'm not your father.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was like, oh, no.
Speaker B:Oh, no, that's not scarring at all.
Speaker A:Like, oh, there.
Speaker A:That's the.
Speaker A:That's the twist of the knife there.
Speaker A:So anyway, so Jimmy is smart enough to not walk into his own house that he's just rearraved at.
Speaker A:I will give him a choice.
Speaker B:Jimmy, good choice.
Speaker A:Ring the doorbell.
Speaker A:Don't just walk in.
Speaker A:Good call, good call, Good call.
Speaker A:And she is.
Speaker A:Wife is obviously really upset and kind of.
Speaker A:She tells him that they stopped looking for him and kind of implies that they may have assumed, like, assuming.
Speaker B:She says.
Speaker B:She says, we thought you were dead.
Speaker B:I think, like.
Speaker B:And I'm like.
Speaker B:And then I was like, wait, how long was he gone?
Speaker A:Well, then they say, like, a year.
Speaker B:Yeah, she says, almost a year.
Speaker B:I'm like, you know, missing person wise.
Speaker B:Like, I watch a lot of missing person shows.
Speaker A:They may have had a.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:She almost implies that they had had a funeral.
Speaker B:But in a year, like, unless she wants to.
Speaker B:Like, you know, unless she wants to get remarried.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:Or she killed him.
Speaker B:Like, if she was like, yeah, we already said you were dead.
Speaker B:I would assume that she had killed him.
Speaker B:And she'd probably be in prison for, like, the false murder of.
Speaker B:How is she explaining what happened to Jimmy Novak?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like, well, if he walked away and they had, like, the footprints.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, could someone please make the, like, the Dateline episode about Jimmy Novak.
Speaker B:I wonder if anybody's done that in fanfic, if that fanfic exists.
Speaker A:Amelia Novak trial.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or just her Dateline episode, right?
Speaker B:Like, he was gone for a year.
Speaker B:They assumed she was dead, and then like, they go into his whole thing and like, Emelia had like a secret lover and, you know, they're like all these things that they come in and they keep thinking it was her.
Speaker B:And then it comes back that he wasn't dead at all.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:Just walked away with his being a meat suit.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, he went.
Speaker B:He had a psychological breakdown and walked off is what happened.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker A:So anyways, his excuse for his departures, he does say he was in a psych clinic and he wanted to get straight, but he's okay now.
Speaker A:And she's like, no telephones.
Speaker A:Got a point.
Speaker A:Got a point.
Speaker B:Also, if you have a crazy ex and they told you there are things like whatever they were possessed by or, you know, things, and they go away for a year and they pop back and all they go, I'm fine now.
Speaker A:No,.
Speaker B:Politely ask him to leave and to telephone you later and he will talk.
Speaker B:Because what's about to happen is going to happen.
Speaker B:Because he's just like, I can.
Speaker B:I. I mean, cool, I can come home now, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's just like, no, I was just totally confused.
Speaker A:I thought God was calling me, but I was wrong.
Speaker A:I'm an idiot.
Speaker A:The only thing important is my family.
Speaker A:It's over now.
Speaker A:I just want to be home.
Speaker A:I just want to come home.
Speaker A:And I eat your food and.
Speaker A:Yeah, and that too.
Speaker A:And she's like, not yet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he invites himself to dinner.
Speaker B:So this dick has been gone for a year, shows up at his ex wife's house, who is not even his ex wife because, like, she's probably a widow.
Speaker B:She was able to file that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And then it's just like, bitch, make me a sandwich.
Speaker A:I mean, sounds reasonable.
Speaker A:In the meantime, we've got Sam calling Ruby and he is leaving her message, freaking about being out.
Speaker A:I need more.
Speaker B:His eight ball has run out and it is six o' clock in the morning and he's like, either gonna need to get some more.
Speaker B:He has to go to bed.
Speaker B:I've seen a lot of television.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that's what's happening to Sam.
Speaker B:All right, so he's junkie.
Speaker B:He is just like.
Speaker B:He's spiraling.
Speaker B:But we're gonna go back to the Novaks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they're having sandwiches with milk for dinner.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I was really upset about this glass of milk and a sandwich for dinner.
Speaker A:Like, lovely.
Speaker A:Don't get me wrong, it's not just shit.
Speaker B:The people in the Midwest do.
Speaker B:I feel like that's something.
Speaker B:Like in Illinois like, yeah, I know people from Illinois.
Speaker B:So I just.
Speaker B:It was like, yeah, they just be like, this is our wholesome dinner.
Speaker B:We're going to have some milk.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:So obviously we're big also.
Speaker A:We're big milk drinkers, if you haven't noticed.
Speaker B:Sometimes I like milk, I really do.
Speaker B:But it's only every once in a while.
Speaker B:And I would like, like the vitamin, like the whole milk.
Speaker B:Like that's delicious.
Speaker B:I was never allowed that at home.
Speaker B:Like my grandmother had the whole milk.
Speaker B:We had like, I don't know, like 2% or whatever because my mom was always dieting because we come from fat people and.
Speaker B:But that's just disgusting.
Speaker B:And so I could only get the whole milk at my grandmother's house like once every two years.
Speaker A:So yeah, that's.
Speaker A:We have the whole milk at grandma's also.
Speaker A:But the skim milk at home, but that was only used like those material.
Speaker A:I wasn't going to like drink a glass of that unless you put a bunch of chocolate sauce in it.
Speaker A:Just saying nobody's mad.
Speaker B:No, I mean occasionally.
Speaker B:Occasionally I like it.
Speaker B:But it's like one like every like turn of the century and for the most part like I don't even have.
Speaker B:Yeah, I have buttermilk in my fridge because I was going to make a salad dressing with it.
Speaker B:It's probably rotten by now.
Speaker A:Today actually at work about how disgusting.
Speaker A:Like I cannot than people drinking buttermilk by choice.
Speaker A:Like just drinking a glass of buttermilk, that's upsetting.
Speaker A:People do it.
Speaker A:It's wrong.
Speaker A:It's for ranch dressing and that's about it.
Speaker A:A couple recipes, that's all you use buttermilk for.
Speaker B:Again, I feel like that's something people in the Midwest do.
Speaker B:Not hating on you, but I just feel like that's what your people are anyway, so.
Speaker B:But they're going to eat their sandwiches that Claire just like made him like make your own fucking sandwich, Jimmy.
Speaker B:You've been gone a year.
Speaker A:You can root around in the kitchen.
Speaker A:There's knives.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:I don't want him to my.
Speaker B:I don't want him in my fridge either.
Speaker B:Get the fuck out of my fridge, Jimmy.
Speaker B:But so she makes some sandwiches, I guess also like this.
Speaker B:I would.
Speaker B:This is the amount of effort that I'm going to put out for you.
Speaker A:I'm not a full meal for you.
Speaker A:You get fucking sandwiches and like it.
Speaker A:Motherfucker.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But he does interesting is Claire asks if he wants to say grace and he absolutely does not want to say grace.
Speaker B:And he just starts Crying.
Speaker B:And he's like, but they're happy tears.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Abandoning you.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:Religion.
Speaker B:It's so freeing.
Speaker A:And then the doorbell rings, and it's.
Speaker B:Roger, whoever the Roger is.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:Roger apparently knew Jimmy and wants to talk to him and says, hey, you.
Speaker A:You know, you really scared people.
Speaker A:And Jimmy's like, oh, yeah, you wouldn't believe it.
Speaker A:My life in the last year.
Speaker A:Blah, blah.
Speaker A:But I'm back now.
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:And Roger's like, no, it's not because he's a demon.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:But that.
Speaker B:What is better, though, is he maintains the suburban Persona of Roger as he says, well, I mean, I'm gonna gut your daughter while you watch.
Speaker B:Just like, he was like, no, I'm not going to your wife's pampered princess party.
Speaker A:Yeah, he did.
Speaker B:Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker B:So he's a demon.
Speaker B:And this brings Amelia in.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And she has beers, and Jimmy hits Roger in the face.
Speaker A:And she thinks Jimmy's crazy because he's pummeling Roger now at this point with.
Speaker A:Did he have the beer bottle in his hand that he was pummeling him.
Speaker B:With her smashing while he's yelling, he's a demon.
Speaker B:Run.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:I cannot wait to go to this gusty battle.
Speaker B:And, like, just.
Speaker B:Can you imagine the lawyer who has to represent Jimmy Novak?
Speaker B:And they're like, okay, okay.
Speaker B:So there's some.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You beat a man with a beer bottle while you yelled, he's a demon, in front of your wife and then.
Speaker A:Locked your wife and daughter.
Speaker B:And then you threw them.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then you threw salts with salts you grab.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:She's.
Speaker A:She's not happy about this situation.
Speaker A:And she's like, roger was your best friend, and you said you were better.
Speaker A:You need to get the.
Speaker A:Away from us.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so they said to run.
Speaker A:So daughter's gonna go run straight into demon Roger's arms.
Speaker B:And also, I. I mean, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Like, even Roger, he's just.
Speaker B:He's just hilarious.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:He's got, like, blood coming down his face, and he's just like, told you I got the.
Speaker B:And I'm just like, oh, Roger.
Speaker A:Brutal.
Speaker A:And his wife is there now, too, though, and somehow we have a little fight go down.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But guess who appears just in time.
Speaker A:So Dean cuts Roger's neck real fast while Sam tries to do his remote exorcism on the.
Speaker A:On the wife.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's trying to give the wife a hand.
Speaker B:Job.
Speaker B:And then she's like, you can't get it up.
Speaker B:Which I am not paraphrasing that she actually says that.
Speaker B:And then Dean threatens her when she's like, I'm afraid of this Winchester, not that Winchester, which is hilarious.
Speaker B:And she cock smokes out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker A:And they all jump, go run to get to baby.
Speaker A:At that point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they speed away, and they're in a parking garage and.
Speaker B:Which seems like a.
Speaker B:A safe place to hang out in.
Speaker A:I mean, like, that's a really odd choice.
Speaker A:I mean, it's not.
Speaker A:Not the house.
Speaker A:I guess that's good.
Speaker A:But at this point, Jimmy's like, y' all right?
Speaker A:You know, I. Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:I'm going to be chased by the demons.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's all there is to it at this point.
Speaker A:They don't believe that there's a section, you know, different.
Speaker A:They're after the vessel.
Speaker A:They don't care.
Speaker A:That's not true.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:I mean, so Jimmy.
Speaker B:But Jimmy's is like, look, man, I don't know anything.
Speaker B:And the boys, when they're like, they're just gonna cut you the fuck up.
Speaker B:And then Sam just starts losing his bedside manner all together.
Speaker B:And he was just like, nope, can't go home ever.
Speaker B:Like, you're putting your family in danger, you asshole.
Speaker B:But then they get a really funny moment because I really like this.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This moment between Emilia and Jimmy.
Speaker B:I think it's very funny and cute.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, I mean, it was like.
Speaker A:I think I want to expand a little bit on, like, Sam, like, he really.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:I think what he is saying at this point is what he thinks he's had to do by being on the run.
Speaker A:He's trying to explain to Jimmy, like, no, you don't get a life now.
Speaker A:And I think that's what he's.
Speaker A:Sam's convinced himself of this, too, because of his own fear of people getting around him getting hurt.
Speaker A:And, like, you don't get it.
Speaker A:You can never be with your family.
Speaker B:Get away.
Speaker B:But he also.
Speaker B:But he said this, like, last week, too.
Speaker B:And I was like, yes.
Speaker B:It's like, Sam the martyr, Sam the fucking murderer is what's happening here.
Speaker A:Oh, for sure.
Speaker A:You have to live like we do now.
Speaker A:And our life is sad, man.
Speaker B:Nobody loves me.
Speaker B:I have to lick demon blood off my hand.
Speaker B:I can't put my lips around a flask without pouring it down my hands.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Any of this.
Speaker A:So, anyways, you're right.
Speaker A:Jimmy has a really nice conversation with Amelia.
Speaker A:And she's like, I guess I need to apologize to you.
Speaker A:Like, well, she bought into this real fast.
Speaker B:Like, and she's okay with everything that just happened.
Speaker B:You know, somebody got their throat cut like that, and like, somebody, like, black smoke jumped out of somebody's mouth.
Speaker B:Her daughter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:And then they just chuckle over demons being real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Demons, huh?
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean are like, all right, you.
Speaker A:You're gonna need a car for you guys.
Speaker A:Y' all go on the run.
Speaker A:Just go somewhere else.
Speaker A:And she's like, no, no, I don't want to split up.
Speaker A:And he's like, yeah, we're gonna have to split up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then, so, like, he also is a dick and does not tell her for how long.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because she's like the same question that he had asked earlier.
Speaker B:And I'm like, man, if you're, you know, you're not coming back, don't give me this bullshit of like, well, maybe you'll see around.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, fuck you, man.
Speaker B:Like, tell me.
Speaker B:It's like, now we're done.
Speaker B:Move on, Go find a new.
Speaker B:New boner.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Like, that's just it.
Speaker B:Break that shit off.
Speaker B:But so also sa her a car and he hotwires it and he doesn't tell her how to hotwire a car.
Speaker B:Like, she can't stop.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just keep going.
Speaker B:Yeah, like wherever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Wherever Carl and Stacy are.
Speaker B:I hope they're close.
Speaker B:Hope she doesn't need gas.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And Claire, as Sam, Dean and Jimmy drive away and baby Claire daughter doesn't.
Speaker A:Does not understand why Jimmy, her dad, is leaving again.
Speaker A:Which is fair.
Speaker A:They've kind of left her out of, like, all of this, which is a little bit disappointing.
Speaker A:Like, she's like a tween.
Speaker A:She can probably.
Speaker A:She needs to know at this 11.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so then we realize.
Speaker A:No, no, Amelia's a goddamn demon now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:After she, like, horrifically backhands her and calls her a little.
Speaker B:And that backhand, too, is like, damn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we find out that she's possessed.
Speaker B:So I think it's time for us to talk about.
Speaker B:We're back to demon possession.
Speaker B:We love in possession.
Speaker B:It's been a while, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bring us some lore.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about the possession of David Blatzel or.
Speaker B:No, the possession of Arne Cheyenne Johnson.
Speaker B:Oh, no, no, it's the ak Also known as the demon murder case.
Speaker B:So we're going to start with the murder because I said so.
Speaker B: so we're going to go back to: Speaker A:Hey, it's good here.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Diana is born.
Speaker B:Bette Davis Eyes is topping the charts.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Raiders of Lost Ark was released.
Speaker B:Which is hilarious if you knew that Diana opened a giant crate today.
Speaker B:Oh, you still want to tell me what's in there?
Speaker B:And at the same time, a 19 year old arborist named Arnie Cheyenne Johnson, stabbed his landlord, Alan Bono.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:So Arnie, his name is Arne and I heard it pronounced different ways.
Speaker B:The people who are mainly involved in the case, when I saw their YouTube, they said Arnie, so I'm just gonna go with that.
Speaker B:But some people say Arn, and also some people just call him Cheyenne.
Speaker B:His sister calls him that.
Speaker B:But I really like the name Cheyenne, so I'm not gonna call him that.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So he was 19.
Speaker B:And also like I said, he's an arborist, so he like cuts down trees.
Speaker B:But I really think he was just landscaper because I saw like where he was working, it was like willows, trees.
Speaker B:I'm like, that's to me like an arborist is like planting trees.
Speaker B:And like, I'm like, nah, man, like you were a lawn dude.
Speaker B:So anyways, he and his girlfriend, who was 26.
Speaker B:So 26, hooking up at the 19 year old Debbie, Debbie Gleitzel, they were renting an apartment in Brookfield, Connecticut, very boring town because it's Connecticut and they're renting an apartment from her boss, but she worked at a dog kennel as a groomer and took care of the pups.
Speaker B:So just last week we watched the Westminster Dog show and it was spectacular.
Speaker B:And we discussed our need to really just want to groom like a dog.
Speaker B:Like I just want to put one dog in the hook and like, and do the things like that.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So lucky Debbie, she's got a dream job, right.
Speaker B:And it's February 16th, it's two days after Valentine and they're hanging out with a 40 year old landlord.
Speaker B:That's kind of weird.
Speaker B:And he is just.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's also her boss, so he owns the puppy thing.
Speaker B:So he has just taken Debbie, who's 26, Cheyenne or Artie, who was 19, and then also Debbie's nine year old cousin Mary and Arnie's 15 year old sister out to lunch.
Speaker B:That and then he got really shit faced on one.
Speaker B:None of this seems like a good con, you know, a good situation.
Speaker B:It's not good.
Speaker B:And shockingly to nobody, it ends poorly when Arnie stabs Bono a bunch of times with a five inch pocket knife.
Speaker B:So one cat, according to the lawyer, was like from his stomach to the base of his heart.
Speaker B:So, like he did a lot of stabbing.
Speaker B:Debbie tells the police originally that Bono had grabbed Mary.
Speaker B:Remember, she's nine and wouldn't let her go.
Speaker A:Oh,.
Speaker B:Also though, an ambulance driver testified that he heard Debbie tell her father, oh, Daddy, he didn't mean to do it.
Speaker B:You know how he gets when he's been drinking.
Speaker B:Okay, that's a Southern accent.
Speaker B:I can't do a stick up the butt Connecticut accent, but you get the gist.
Speaker B:So Debbie's 15 year old brother Carl shows up later.
Speaker B:So, yes, another person who is a child and he actually, he's the one who found Bono and he was like, I found him that night on the front lawn.
Speaker B:I saw him laying by a tree.
Speaker B:He had four marks in him of blood coming out of him.
Speaker B:So Arnie is arrested and he's held at the Bridgeport Correctional center because he can't pull the $125,000 bail, which is quite a huge bail.
Speaker B:But I guess like murder, you're always going to get a large bail.
Speaker A:Yeah, typically.
Speaker A:Typically, it's just, you know, typically according.
Speaker B:To the Law and Order marathon I'm on, you do.
Speaker B:Or typically you get remand.
Speaker B:Like they don't even give you a bail either.
Speaker B:Something very high.
Speaker B:You can't meet or remain.
Speaker B:So but the next day, a woman named Lorraine Warren.
Speaker B:And so we will talk more about the Warrens later.
Speaker B:I think I probably talked about them on the show before, but.
Speaker B:So we will talk about why you should know her name in a minute.
Speaker B:So she calls the Brookfield police and him.
Speaker B:No, it, the murder wasn't his fault.
Speaker B:He was possessed by a demon.
Speaker B:So I want you to note that Arnie didn't say that Lorraine did.
Speaker B:And eventually though, this becomes the defense.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And so his defense puts us together and they present it to the Connecticut Superior Court and Judge Robert Callahan is.
Speaker A:Just, no, just no.
Speaker A:Just like, no.
Speaker B:And he does say, I'm not saying I don't believe in demonic possession.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I'm not allowing that defense, period.
Speaker B:There's no such defense.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, yeah, it seems like I don't think that there's a legal defense.
Speaker B:No, no, it's not.
Speaker B:But this was the first case in American Civil.
Speaker B:In civil court or not civil, in criminal court history that this was tried as a defense.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:It was not the last time, but this was, I think, one of the first cases where this really came, came forward.
Speaker B:So they're like, fine.
Speaker B:You know, we argue self defense.
Speaker B:The jury doesn't buy it, and he gets manslaughter.
Speaker B:He does get sentenced to, like, they give him the max.
Speaker B:You have to do 10 to 20 years.
Speaker B:But they do let him out a year after he starts serving his sentence because he was such a good prisoner.
Speaker B: ebbie while he was in jail in: Speaker B:And they do stay married for.
Speaker B:Until they.
Speaker B:They part, I think.
Speaker B:But wait, wait, wait.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:The demon, right?
Speaker B:Like, we know about the demon.
Speaker B:All right, so here's the juice on our demons.
Speaker B: So after the trial in: Speaker B:Just in case, we're keeping track of our charts, a book published by Gerald Brittle called the Devil in Connecticut.
Speaker B:It was written by Brittle in collaboration with Ed and Lorraine Warren about the possession of David Glatzel.
Speaker B:So that is Debbie's little brother, who at the time of the murder was, I think, 11.
Speaker B:I'm gonna get up on his age because nobody calls it out as I go back and forth, and I'm not doing math.
Speaker B:You know, let's just.
Speaker B:That's just the rule.
Speaker B:So Ed and Lorraine Warren are demonologists.
Speaker B:They were shysters.
Speaker B:They're pieces of shit.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They are responsible for many things, including the Conjuring series.
Speaker B:So I think anybody whose fault that is is them.
Speaker B:At some point.
Speaker B:We'll do a whole episode about why Liz hates Lorraine Warren.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:All right, so to understand David's.
Speaker B:We still have to go further back in time.
Speaker B: So we're now in July of: Speaker B:I am three years old.
Speaker B:Diana is yet to be a sperm.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Or an egg.
Speaker B:She made.
Speaker B:The egg was there.
Speaker B:They hadn't met their match.
Speaker B:Coming up by Wings.
Speaker B:It was number one.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:Paul McCartney and wings.
Speaker B:Bad, bad time.
Speaker B:That was a bad, bad era.
Speaker B:And according to.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:According to Ed, the.
Speaker B:David was possessed.
Speaker B:And the reason he became possessed was because his mother and his sister were.
Speaker A:Fooling around with witchcraft.
Speaker B:No, not the witchcraft.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:So apparently they met some people while they're up in upstate New York snowballing like you do, like people in Connecticut do.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But those people they met were into Satanic activities also.
Speaker B: er, the year of assistance is: Speaker B:Satanic panic is just.
Speaker B:Is right around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they're like, yeah, they met up with these Satanists and they had.
Speaker B:They go back to their house and they turned on the mother.
Speaker B:And so, I don't know, somehow, like, they end up Looking for a rat.
Speaker B:And the rat becomes Satan.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker B:David ends up starting to see shit, right?
Speaker B:So he tells his.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Satanic rats.
Speaker B:Satanic rats.
Speaker B:So satanic, right?
Speaker B:Satanic rats, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, therefore.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I kind of got confused which house this is happening in.
Speaker B:I think it's in the Glatzel family home.
Speaker B:Like, with the mom, Judy and the dad.
Speaker B:So their mom's name is Judy.
Speaker B:And she says in the book that David told her that he saw a man with big black eyes, a thin face, with animal features and jacket teeth, pointed ears, horns and hooves.
Speaker B:And the operation, it's always the hooves, the hooves.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:And this thing says, beware.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But David keeps having night visions, and he starts having them during the day.
Speaker B:Debbie's like, hey, Arnie, can you move in?
Speaker B:I'm scared of my brother.
Speaker B:Her parents summon a priest to come in, and nothing changes.
Speaker B:Now David's got.
Speaker B:The guy that he's seeing is now an old man who's got coarse, ruddy skin, a white beard, and wearing a flannel shirt and jeans.
Speaker B:So now he's being haunted by, like, old man.
Speaker B:Like an old lumberjack, I guess.
Speaker B:Like, so an old lumberjack is haunting him.
Speaker A:It's Connecticut.
Speaker A:Like, all trees, right?
Speaker A:So, yeah, sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Or like a fisherman with the coarse ready skin.
Speaker B:Like, it sounds like a state.
Speaker B:Like, maybe he's like an old, like, ah, you know, like, fisherman.
Speaker B:It's Connecticut.
Speaker B:So there's sea.
Speaker B:Like, there's sea pirates around there.
Speaker B:So maybe that was like someone who was, like, working on the dock.
Speaker B:He had a dock worker.
Speaker B:You got a dock worker.
Speaker B:He's being haunted by a dock worker.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:His terrors start increasing.
Speaker B:He comes up with scratches and unexplained bruises, which, by the way, I wake up with that shit all the time.
Speaker B:It's called having a cat.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:But so these are just like, okay, we need to get some help.
Speaker B:We need to get some things by the church, right?
Speaker B:And so they call.
Speaker B:And in desperation, they call the demonologist Ed and Lorraine Warren, who are conveniently located in a town next door to them.
Speaker B:So beyond being just demonologists, Lorraine's also eclipse clairvoyant, according to Lorraine, at least.
Speaker B:So that's helpful in situations like this.
Speaker B:And she said that while Ed was interviewing David, she saw a black misty form next to him, which told me we were dealing with something of a negative nature.
Speaker B:Soon the child was complaining that invisible hands were choking him and there were red marks on him.
Speaker B:He said that he had the feeling of Being hit, which sounds like.
Speaker B:Sounds not fun.
Speaker A:Yeah, it sounds unpleasant.
Speaker B:He also.
Speaker B:I think some of the times may be great.
Speaker B:So apparently on one of their one talk show or something, I read a book that was a transcript of something that the Warrens were doing where they had slides, right?
Speaker B:And then Ed also during that thing brings out like this toy dinosaur.
Speaker B:He has this dinosaur model.
Speaker B:And he was like, yeah, David had a dinosaur like this.
Speaker B:And it wasn't this dinosaur, it was just a dinosaur like this.
Speaker B:So he just brought up, you know, the similar dinosaur, you know, and, you know, he put it down and the plastic dinosaur started to walk.
Speaker B:And then in a deep gruff voice, it said, beware, you're all going to die.
Speaker A:Can I.
Speaker A:Where do you get one?
Speaker B:I know, right?
Speaker B:I really want someone to make me this dinosaur.
Speaker A:Beware.
Speaker B:Well said.
Speaker B:It has this little T. Rex arms.
Speaker B:I don't know, Amazing.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:And they're just like.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:It's like Lorraine's like that thing can't walk.
Speaker B:It's not movable like that.
Speaker B:It was just like.
Speaker B:But this also, I was just like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, you bring my toys to life.
Speaker B:This is great.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Win, win.
Speaker A:I don't know what's going on.
Speaker B:What a cute little demon dinosaur.
Speaker B:But then also, sadly, like, David started gaining a bunch of weight.
Speaker B:Like he went up like 60 pounds.
Speaker B:And he started doing some things that a normal society, like maybe you shouldn't do, like growling, hissing, talking in weird voices.
Speaker B:I do it all the time.
Speaker B:And then he.
Speaker B:But he would also spontaneously just like recite passages from the Bible or from Paradise Lost, which is a good poem.
Speaker B:But how the.
Speaker B:Does anybody remember, like, memorize Paradise Lost?
Speaker B:And also this is a huge strain on the family because they have to stay up with him because not only is he having night terrors, he would all of a sudden like, go into these 30 minute, like, frenzies of rapid sit ups.
Speaker B:So I'm like, how is this kid, like, getting fat?
Speaker B:Like, how is he not fucking ripped, man?
Speaker B:About 30 minutes of core like every night.
Speaker A:That's a lot.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, I had that.
Speaker B:Yeah, no shit.
Speaker B:Give me that energy.
Speaker B:So they started having exorcism, boys and abs of steel.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, they're not, they're not, they're not making a bad scene here.
Speaker B:Yeah, no.
Speaker B:I think once again we're gonna start pushing for the demon exercise videos.
Speaker B:We started this with the nuns of Lorraine and I think it needs to be continued.
Speaker B:There can be a whole series of like, Look, I mean, like.
Speaker B:And if a demon's in me, am I working out?
Speaker B:Like, if it's like, in a meat suit, like in Supernatural, where you just take a backseat.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, like, just go to town.
Speaker B:Go do 30, like, 30 minutes worth of setups with my meat suit.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:Like, and then I can come back and have a core.
Speaker A:It'd be great.
Speaker B:Anyway, so they start doing exorcisms on him.
Speaker B:The church is like, we were never there, but the Warrens, like, of course the priests are here.
Speaker B:And so at one point, ed decides there's 43 demons and the boy.
Speaker B:And he was like.
Speaker B:He was like, I had to step out.
Speaker B:Like, I could.
Speaker B:One demon, maybe, I probably couldn't handle.
Speaker B:But 43.
Speaker B:Oh, no, this is hierarchy Demon.
Speaker B:And there's one in there, it's called the Beast.
Speaker B:The Beast.
Speaker B:Not just Beast.
Speaker B:The Beast.
Speaker B:He gets really mad.
Speaker A:And there's something like that on.
Speaker A:Is there a guy calls himself the Beast on UFC right now?
Speaker A:Anyways, Go ahead.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So while the Diocese of Bridgeport do say that the matter was investigated, they don't, you know, so they don't agree that any exers.
Speaker B:They deny that any exorcisms was performed.
Speaker B:But the priests who were involved and will not comment were transferred to other parishes.
Speaker B:But I'm also just like, were they just fucking kids?
Speaker A:Well, also, the Catholic Church, I mean, you never know because, like, obviously the Catholic Church has problems, like, a lot of.
Speaker A:Of organized churches, but it is kind of been implied that they really don't.
Speaker A:In modern times, they really want to separate themselves from the perception of exorcisms and things like that.
Speaker A:So not according to evil.
Speaker B:Watch.
Speaker A:Evil.
Speaker B:It's about that.
Speaker B:It also just kind of depends on which priest.
Speaker B:Like, there's, like, one picture of, like, Pope Francis doing a spontaneous exorcism on somebody.
Speaker B:It's very controversial.
Speaker B:So, anyhow, I.
Speaker B: ng to this book, In August of: Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:So Arnie picks a fight with a demon and David, and he starts yelling at him, in the name of Jesus Christ, leave David's body.
Speaker B:Come out of him and take on me.
Speaker B:Wait, maybe aha was around.
Speaker B:No, that's like, a few more years down the road.
Speaker B:But he's predicting Aha.
Speaker B:He's like, take me on.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, that's not so.
Speaker B:He's like, I'm stronger than David.
Speaker B:I'll fight, fight you.
Speaker B:Leave David and come into me.
Speaker B:So according to the Warrens, like, the second exorcism of David was successful, but they also just said they had five.
Speaker B:I don't know, maybe I should read their book.
Speaker B:I don't want to.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And David at this point though, like, David is fine.
Speaker B:He goes.
Speaker B:Is sent to a private school for disturbed children, which does not sound like a great place.
Speaker B:Debbie and Arnie there.
Speaker B:So like things are still really fucked up here and we're going to move out.
Speaker B:So this is when she becomes a groomer at the Brookfield Pet Motel and she rents the adjacent apartment.
Speaker B:But now according to them, Arnie was fucked up and after he was like, no, come at me, bro.
Speaker B:And the demon was like, fine, fuck you, bitch.
Speaker B:And like, so he did.
Speaker B:And so apparently like Arnie like wrecked his car and he kept going into trances and growling and saying that he saw the beast but he wouldn't have any memory of it.
Speaker B:Just like David when interviewed, Arnie's co workers were like, he was fine, but.
Speaker B:But Debbie was like, no, no he wasn't.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But also we don't know how somebody is at home, you know, we just,.
Speaker A:We don't see different.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, we don't see our co workers but after, you know, they go back to their houses, you know, so she's like, oh no.
Speaker B:But he had at least like four trances before he killed Bonnet know.
Speaker B:So I just, I'm sure.
Speaker B:Or I go back and forth between calling him Bono or Bono, that's his last name.
Speaker B:But either one works.
Speaker B:So it could be Sonny Bono or Bono or Bono.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's fine either way.
Speaker B:Just picture them.
Speaker B:So later on, like, so this goes on, right?
Speaker B:So this, this goes.
Speaker B:And they have like there's.
Speaker B:There's a made for TV movie that's made that has Kevin Bacon in it and oh, what the fuck was her name?
Speaker B:She was facing underneath.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:Look it up later.
Speaker B:Tell you, but it's on YouTube.
Speaker B:It's really terrible.
Speaker B:We'll watch it this weekend maybe.
Speaker B:But like the sounds bad.
Speaker B:So maybe we'll try and find it on.
Speaker B:On Amazon.
Speaker B: ok ends up being reprinted in: Speaker B:And they're like, this was all a hoax designed by the Warrens because they wanted money.
Speaker B:So they sued the author and I Universe, the company responsible for republishing it, and Lorraine Warren for her role in the researching and writing of the book.
Speaker B:But Ed had just died that year, so he couldn't be sued.
Speaker B:They sued for four counts of invasion of privacy and one count of libel.
Speaker B:And their lawyers wrote that the book contained false and defamatory matter, including, but not limited to the statement that David Latzel was possessed by demons and that Carl Glass Glatzel Jr. Was influenced by demonic forces into committing assaults and batteries on memories of the Gleitzel family and others.
Speaker B:Because it's something else they put into the book.
Speaker B:They're just like, Carl like to beat up his, like, because really.
Speaker B:Because I think Carl was like, you people are assholes.
Speaker B:So they're just like, carl likes to hit his family.
Speaker B:Carl, you know, tells the ap, the Associated Press that the Warrens had seized on David's childhood mental illness.
Speaker B:He was diagnosed as schizophrenic.
Speaker B:And he said they saw a gold mine.
Speaker B:But he was like, it was living hell when we were kids.
Speaker B:It was just a nightmare.
Speaker B:I'm not going to go through that again.
Speaker B:Neither is my brother.
Speaker B:But unfortunately, the lawsuit failed by virtue of the fact that they had facilitated the republication of the book.
Speaker B: nd in the public domain since: Speaker B:3 So.
Speaker B:But also what's kind of funny is why Carl's like this up my life.
Speaker B:Debbie is still saying that Carl is just.
Speaker B:Was just suing to make money.
Speaker B: So she was saying that in: Speaker B:So she and her brother in a fight until she dies, which I think is really, really sad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so but they go back and forth.
Speaker B: And then in: Speaker B:But he was talking to Snopes and he was like, nope, nope.
Speaker B:She is the one who was driven by money.
Speaker B:Not me.
Speaker B:Not me.
Speaker B:So this brother and sister pretty much like fought until she died.
Speaker B:Basically.
Speaker B:Carl said that everybody lived there in those houses and they were fine.
Speaker B:So he said all piece of shit.
Speaker B: Debbie died in April: Speaker B:Carl and Judy, the parents.
Speaker B: Judy died in: Speaker B: Senior died in: Speaker B: Lorraine died in: Speaker B: As of February: Speaker B: d Arnie was alive and well in: Speaker B:But he's a recluse now, so nobody knows.
Speaker B:Like weird, weird.
Speaker B:But he also only served a year for that stabbing.
Speaker B:But I also kind of think like, I think that landlord was drunk and got handsy and a 90 year old girl and he stabbed him.
Speaker B:So possess a demon or not.
Speaker A:Fuck.
Speaker B:Fuck that dude.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, like Carl said that because there's a whole bunch of like, he's this Is so much.
Speaker B:He said, she said stuff.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:There's no.
Speaker B:Like, the Warrens have pictures of shit.
Speaker B:But the pictures are like, look at my dinosaur.
Speaker B:Carl did say that Bono was clean cut and nice guy and like.
Speaker B:So in.
Speaker B:What ends up happening is this becomes.
Speaker B:So the Warrens are, like I said, they're the inspirations for the Conjuring.
Speaker B:And this becomes a conjuring 3.
Speaker B:The devil made me do it.
Speaker B:So there is a whole Conjuring series movie on this.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But again, there's so much liberty that was taken with the book and with the movie and.
Speaker B:I don't know, there's all this bunch of shit.
Speaker B:But there was.
Speaker B:Someone tried to get a court with this and someone said, no, but anyways.
Speaker B:Human possession.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Yay.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Possession.
Speaker A:It's so crazy that it was like all that.
Speaker A:Like, pretty recent too.
Speaker A:Like in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker B:Not in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker B:It's really sad as it wasn't.
Speaker B:You're just that old.
Speaker B:You're just that old.
Speaker B:Hey, at least you weren't born for some of it.
Speaker B:Does that make you feel better?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean are discussing.
Speaker A:Dean is asking Sam what happened and why couldn't he do his mojo stuff against the demon.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:He said while ganking stunt demon number three, which is also the gank.
Speaker B:Gross.
Speaker B:But calling him yo.
Speaker A:He says, a mojo yo, yo.
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I do appreciate stunt demon number three.
Speaker B:And then I was tempted to look it up, but I forgot.
Speaker B:Anyways, Sam.
Speaker B:Phone rings.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's Amelia calling for Jimmy.
Speaker B:Me.
Speaker A:And he says, oh, my God.
Speaker A:Because that's when we find out that Amelia is a demon.
Speaker B:Omg.
Speaker A:So they go to another abandoned industrial building to meet up.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And Jimmy is gonna go on his own.
Speaker B:But Sam and Dean are gonna go on the catwalks.
Speaker B:On the catwalks?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They do the little turns.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, no one's gonna get hurt.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, this is totally a trap.
Speaker A:Jimmy goes in and he's.
Speaker A:But while he's out, before he goes outside, he's yelling about how Katya promised that his family would be safe and asks for help.
Speaker A:He gets no response.
Speaker A:So he goes.
Speaker B:Because he also just yelling like as like an ex girlfriend yells outside her boyfriend's window.
Speaker B:I gave.
Speaker B:Gave you everything.
Speaker A:I mean, we've all been there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just saying from one side of the other.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker A:We've.
Speaker B:One of us.
Speaker B:We've either been Jimmy Novak or Cass.
Speaker A:We've either closed the blinds and turn the light off, or we've been the ones with.
Speaker A:With a really bad mascara and a sore throat from screaming.
Speaker A:I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker B:I feel like the idea of, like, Cass.
Speaker B:Cass just hearing this and like, shutting the blinds, turning off the light.
Speaker B:Anyways.
Speaker A:All right, we got demon Amelia and Claire inside, and they know that he's not alone.
Speaker A:Obviously, Sam and Dean are captured and brought in by other demons.
Speaker A:And demon Amelia says that she was just really thought that she was to pick up the empty vessel of Jimmy, but now it's going to be a milk run because the brothers are there.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:She makes.
Speaker A:She said she thought it was just gonna be a milk run to go grab the vessel, but now she gets the brothers too.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't like demon Amelia.
Speaker B:I don't really know if I like regular Amelia.
Speaker B:I don't like her any better as a demon especially.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:She's still.
Speaker B:She gets Damon, Dean, and then she just shoots Jimmy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because she's like, hey, we're gonna totally, like, negotiate.
Speaker A:And she's like, nah, everybody dies and.
Speaker B:Starts shooting, which is kind of.
Speaker A:I mean, that was kind of of cool, but I mean, it was badass not cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then she tells demon number four to waste Little Orphan Annie.
Speaker A:The Little Orphan Annie is a badass man, so.
Speaker A:Right as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because she, like, freaking swings and puts her palm on his head.
Speaker A:But what?
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Claire now has, like, the angel inside her, apparently.
Speaker A:Because this demon is, like, has light shooting out of his eyes.
Speaker B:Surprised.
Speaker B:She's the tiniest little angel.
Speaker B:She's so cute.
Speaker B:Just like, look at this little angel.
Speaker B:Oh, you're so.
Speaker B:I love Sam.
Speaker B:And the demon fight.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because everybody's distracted, going, oh, Claire's got angel in her now, so they can fight back.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:Claire's able to totally free herself.
Speaker A:And Jimmy realizes now, like, we all are starting to realize, that Castiel did come to help Jimmy and he is now inside Claire.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam and the demon fight.
Speaker B:Then Dean and the demon fight.
Speaker B:Then Sam starts sucking on the demon neck.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Sam makes a.
Speaker A:A choice.
Speaker A:He decides that he can't resist the demon blood anymore and starts just chowing down while they're all fighting.
Speaker B:I mean, and.
Speaker B:But also, like, in the metaphysics of things, I don't again go into how the.
Speaker B:Does this work, because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:Like, so.
Speaker B:But because once he's dead, like, is it not the Demon.
Speaker B:Is it turned?
Speaker B:Because it wasn't like he was born a demon.
Speaker B:Like, he just, like, is the cock smoke just running through there and it still has powers.
Speaker B:So why didn't he do this back at the other place with Roger?
Speaker B:Like, why he just go back and, like, suck on Roger?
Speaker A:Liquor Face.
Speaker B:Face.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So Dean and little Cass.
Speaker B:That's the only color because she's so cute.
Speaker A:I called it cnc, but I kept thinking of CNC Music Factory.
Speaker A:It was a problem.
Speaker A:Anyways, I like.
Speaker A:I like that.
Speaker B:Are you not going to give me a CNC Music Factory down beat?
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I lost it.
Speaker A:I lost it.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:So I also.
Speaker B:I decide that Sam is a fruit punch mouth.
Speaker B:Much like the Master in Buffy.
Speaker B:So he has a fruit punch mouth because that's the blood on it.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And then Sam sucks off Claire.
Speaker A:Wait, wait, not Claire.
Speaker B:Amelia.
Speaker B:Amelia.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam sucks off Amelia.
Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker A:That's much better.
Speaker A:And, yeah, so better.
Speaker B:Like he's sucking off Amelia.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's still better than it sounds.
Speaker A:Better than.
Speaker A:Second off player.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, Cass, see, as he goes and tells Jimmy, he's like, look, I told you, I keep my promises.
Speaker A:It's, you know.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker A:It's gonna be okay.
Speaker A:I'm here now kind of a thing.
Speaker A:And it's so great, huh?
Speaker B:My promise is so awesome.
Speaker B:Of course I'm pretending.
Speaker B:Everybody.
Speaker B:You get to die now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Jimmy's like, wait, hold on a minute.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:You need to take my body, not my daughter's.
Speaker A:Because I already know what this is all about.
Speaker A:And she's like a.
Speaker A:Kids, please let her go.
Speaker A:Live her life, for the love of God.
Speaker A:It's like, well, you won't die or age.
Speaker A:It'll be 100 more years.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker A:Like the last year, which is pretty fucked up.
Speaker A:That's saying that this whole battle thing that they're gonna, like, take on is gonna be like 100 years long.
Speaker A:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, it's like, so you're just permanently gonna be stuck in Cass.
Speaker B:In Jimmy.
Speaker B:Like, like, okay.
Speaker B:But Jimmy's like, you know, like, I agree.
Speaker B:Like, it's like, hey, it's me or my daughter.
Speaker B:Fuck you.
Speaker B:Of course, take me.
Speaker A:Like, obviously, duh.
Speaker B:And Cass, because, yeah, we get a Princess Bride moment.
Speaker B:As you wish.
Speaker B:He lights up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it's no longer cnc.
Speaker A:So not everybody has to dance now.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker B:Everybody dance.
Speaker B:No, thank you.
Speaker A:All I remember Gonna make you sweat till you bleed.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:That sounds awful.
Speaker A:I know, but that's one of the lines in the song.
Speaker B:I don't want to sweat until.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't want to sweat at all.
Speaker A:So, yeah, Claire gets a bright light and she's distraught and runs to mom.
Speaker A:But now Jimmy is back to being Castiel, and he just coldly walks away from his family.
Speaker B:And Dean's just like, hey, Cass, man.
Speaker B:Like, what are you gonna tell me?
Speaker B:And Cass has a big stick up his ass, which was also in the Destiel fan fiction.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:And, like, it's just.
Speaker A:It's so weird.
Speaker B:And he's just like, I don't serve, man.
Speaker B:I don't serve you.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's real weird.
Speaker B:I don't know why he's Deliverance, but.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And it's like, okay, you acknowledge, like, you gave a shit about Jimmy's sacrifice and his.
Speaker A:His family's importance to him, and you're still fucking weird to them.
Speaker A:And then you're fucking dick to Dean after.
Speaker A:You're the one that, like, brought all this on.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:So, yeah, but I think if you read it from the cast angel perspective, we take out the emotion and we have.
Speaker B:He got yelled at for not keeping his promise.
Speaker B:And now, like, when he was the tiniest angel cnc, he was just like, yeah, of course I keep my promise.
Speaker B:That's what we do.
Speaker B:Like, no, don't break shit.
Speaker B:Holy guy.
Speaker B:Bye.
Speaker B:And then just like, walk.
Speaker B:I did what I said I was gonna do.
Speaker B:Like, I don't have a problem.
Speaker B:And fuck you, Samdine.
Speaker B:Also, they.
Speaker A:So we have Sam and Dean in baby on driving.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, I. I know you saw, so tell me.
Speaker A:And he's like.
Speaker A:And he like, I know you're mad.
Speaker A:I want to explain myself.
Speaker A:He's like, no, I don't care.
Speaker A:I'm just disappointed, but I'm tired.
Speaker A:And so we're just gonna keep going.
Speaker B:It's just too much.
Speaker B:That's what Zena say.
Speaker B:Like, all of us.
Speaker A:It's too much.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker B:I'm done.
Speaker B:Just done.
Speaker A:And Sam gets a phone call.
Speaker A:It's Bobby saying, hey, you need to my house asap.
Speaker A:It's about the apocalypse.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:So they go and Bobby is escorting our brothers down to his bunker that Liz loves so very much.
Speaker A:Cave.
Speaker A:He wants to show them something in the bunker.
Speaker B:Hey, Sam.
Speaker B:Sam, why don't you go in there?
Speaker A:And they lock Sam into inside for his own good.
Speaker B:I almost texted you a screenshot of My final notes here.
Speaker B:But I wanted to save it for the end.
Speaker B:Okay, so my final notes say Sam gets tricked and they locked him up.
Speaker B:I love the locking up the monster truck.
Speaker B:Who did it first?
Speaker B:Vampire Diaries or Supernatural?
Speaker B:Trick question.
Speaker B:It was Angel.
Speaker B:Finish watching Angel Zyanna.
Speaker A:I get back to watching it.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:So, but this is like.
Speaker B:This is a trope we had.
Speaker B:I mean, so.
Speaker B:And I honestly don't know.
Speaker B:Like I was going to look to see Vampire Diaries timeline and try and figure that out.
Speaker B:But then I really like it really does happen on angel first.
Speaker B:So why the fuck do I need to bother wasting.
Speaker B:I did not have my time is precious people.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But anyways, I do love this trope of like we're just going to lock you up and then whatever thing.
Speaker B:And it's just like the cold turkey version of rehab.
Speaker A:Let's just say is this.
Speaker A:Is this demon blood detox?
Speaker B:It is Demon blood Detox intervention.
Speaker B:It is demon intervention done poorly.
Speaker B:Like in all those shows that need to get sued for how they're treating their people going into rehab because typically taking a person and locking them in a room by themselves to detox of whatever the is them up seems like.
Speaker A:It might not be the best for their men.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, that's not good.
Speaker B:That's not good to anybody.
Speaker B:So yeah, this seems terrible, but also maybe necessary.
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker A:But no, that's fun.
Speaker B:So that's how we ended this episode.
Speaker B:So what did you think?
Speaker A:Well, first, a couple quick notes.
Speaker A:Amelia Novak was played by Wynne Everett.
Speaker A:She is on a show.
Speaker A:It's on Netflix.
Speaker A:I think it was a show called Teenage Bounty Hunters.
Speaker A:She's Ellen Johnson on and it's actually pretty enjoyable.
Speaker A:She's also in one of the episodes of Dolly Parton's Heartstrings.
Speaker B:I saw that.
Speaker B:I was just like, oh, Dolly.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B: was on the charts in: Speaker B:Then it got confusing about when 9 to 5, the movie came out when Dolly and I was just like, I don't want to do that math.
Speaker B:So we're just going with Betty Davis size.
Speaker A:She played Jeanette Davis in the Patsy and Loretta miniseries.
Speaker A:I meant to watch and I haven't.
Speaker A:She also had parts in this is Us.
Speaker B:That probably means she can sing if she's in two things so far.
Speaker B:She had heartstring Dolly Parton and that I bet you can say.
Speaker A:And then Claire Novak daughter Sydney Embrew was in the Marley Marley and me too.
Speaker A:And Marmaduke.
Speaker A:I only brought them up because they're both dog movies.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker B:Does Marley die?
Speaker B:And Marley.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I refuse to watch them.
Speaker B:Didn't he die in the first one?
Speaker A:Marley, I think did.
Speaker A:Marley and me died in the first one.
Speaker A:That was the whole thing.
Speaker B:So does he just die again?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's probably his.
Speaker A:Probably his puppy or something stupid like that.
Speaker A:But I just thought.
Speaker A:I just wanted to point out.
Speaker A:But there's dog movies because we watched Dodge dogs.
Speaker B:I do like dog movies.
Speaker B:I want to go back to just our happy dog grooming place where they just put a little loop around them without hurting them.
Speaker B:They look really cute.
Speaker A:Little harness while they get washed.
Speaker A:It was, I think.
Speaker B:And also, spoiler alert, if you did not know a bloodhound won the Westminster this year.
Speaker B:It was awesome.
Speaker B:It was so many folds.
Speaker A:A lot of folds.
Speaker A:He's really cute.
Speaker A:His ears are ginormous.
Speaker A:And that makes me happy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this episode in general, I thought it was really as much as I've got.
Speaker A:I think, you know, I've both addressed the inconsistencies and issues with the vessels and the meat suits and all that.
Speaker A:It's not very clear in how any of that fucking works.
Speaker A:And I get that it's not supposed to be totally clear, but at the same time, like, there's some functional fucking questions that have been answered.
Speaker A:But I think it was really important to get a little bit of Jimmy's backstory, because not only does it help from Castiel, it differentiates and really solidifies, I think, for the viewer, Castiel's character, because Castiel is not Jimmy.
Speaker A:And I think that that was a really interesting, important dynamic.
Speaker A:And I also think it probably solidifies the.
Speaker A:I guess you'd call it canon of the difference between the meat suits that are possessed not always by choice, versus the vessel of the angel, which is.
Speaker A:Is somebody that was open to it and then chooses it kind of by force to be fair, but chooses it later on.
Speaker B:They have to say yes.
Speaker B:Like consent.
Speaker B:They have to give consent.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we love consent.
Speaker A:So I think that that was an interesting piece of the.
Speaker A:I guess I'd say canon for the.
Speaker A:The storyline of the difference between demonic possession or an angelic vessel.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I do think also they had to, you know, Dean wasn't going to bust out what.
Speaker A:I think Dean was going to kind of wait in busting out Sam on his bad behavior, because I think Dean wasn't certain what Sam was doing, but had to like, he had to witness it to be able to.
Speaker A:Action.
Speaker A:Anything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it is like we go through this whole episode and then finally end on, you know, this one quick, quick thing.
Speaker B:Like, it's really fast.
Speaker B:It is if you think about it.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Oh, Dean knows everything.
Speaker B:And he'd been talking to Bobby behind your back.
Speaker B:And him and Bobby are like, nah, we ain't telling him.
Speaker B:We're just gonna.
Speaker B:Yeah, just locking him up in here.
Speaker B:That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think that that was a really.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:But I think that was.
Speaker A:I think it was critical to Dean's personality that he would have had to have seen it with his own eyes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think one thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And one thing that gets called out I think a lot in this episode and in just in commentary about it is I think this also very much solidified.
Speaker B:Not that it wasn't solidified, but solidifies Cass's wardrobe of the.
Speaker B:This is why the trench coat was there.
Speaker B:Although there's not really explained.
Speaker B:The reason why the trench coat was there is because that crippy wanted John constantly to be a character in this show and could not get the licensing facts enough.
Speaker B:And so he just said, fuck it.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna use your costume and change a couple of things.
Speaker B:And so it's like John Constantine, but I'm not committing copyright infringement.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They show me put on.
Speaker A:They show Jimmy put on the trench coat and it.
Speaker A:So that really kind of like.
Speaker A:And that's when Castiel really takes over Jimmy's body.
Speaker A:So that is kind of a key thing, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was interesting episode.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So, I mean, this cues us up for the last two episodes of the season.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's locked in a bunker.
Speaker B:What do you feel like Dean's, like, state of mind is right now?
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker A:Well, I think it's been an interesting reevaluation, I think, for both of them.
Speaker A:Like, we've seen Sam transition into being a little bit darker and less attached to humans and a little bit bitter.
Speaker A:And I think that Dean is actually after his time in hell and making his choices and that he's had to make since then is kind of gotten not.
Speaker A:Not in a bad way, but gotten softer because he was kind of just, you know, like the first beginning of this.
Speaker A:Of the series.
Speaker A:He's just kind of a fucking douche.
Speaker A:I mean, he's still a douche, don't get me wrong.
Speaker A:But, like, he was like, super douche.
Speaker A:And now it's like no, our whole thing is to help people.
Speaker A:Motherfucker.
Speaker A:Like, come on.
Speaker A:And I think that he's kind of refocusing on.
Speaker A:On that.
Speaker B:I think one, like, important thing, I don't know if they meant it to be this important, would be that his dreams were not of hell.
Speaker B:In his dream, he was sitting on a pier fishing, which is interesting, right.
Speaker B:Because the world around them is not calm.
Speaker B:And yet he's able to go to this night.
Speaker B:Unless, like, eventually, like, because I would have that to you.
Speaker B:Like, I'm on the calm fishing and then like, something jumps in down that water and eats me, which is probably what's about to happen.
Speaker A:Or a body or something crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like something just pops off the port that.
Speaker B:That bottom and the river monster eats me.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:Yeah, but if that's not the case, like, I think that's a very interesting.
Speaker B:Like, we've moved from especially the beginning of this season.
Speaker B:We started with all of Jean's nightmares, and now Dean has this dream that he's just fishing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, find.
Speaker A:Like he's found some kind of a piece.
Speaker A:A little bit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if you have that, like, if you have that CCR green river in there, which is like, you know, it starts off like, take me down.
Speaker B:Like the cool water flows.
Speaker B:Let remember things I love.
Speaker B:Like, so like, maybe like, he's also just like me at this point.
Speaker B:Just like, yeah, the world's burning down.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna go fish and it.
Speaker B:Yep, exactly where I'm fucking it.
Speaker B:All right, so we had have two episode.
Speaker B:Two more episodes coming up in season four, which is exciting because I love the season and go into season five.
Speaker B:Badass shit's gonna happen then too.
Speaker B:And then we have like 20,000 more seasons to go.
Speaker B:So you're never done with us.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:We're here anyways.
Speaker B:Cheers, Dirk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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