11:07 Plush
It's Season 7, Episode 11: Plush. Everyone is wearing a mask in some way or another. Then we discuss Unidentified Hopping Objects (UHOs), aka the cryptid Phantom Kangaroos, in Minnesota and beyond.
Research Links
- Phantom kangaroo - Wikipedia
- Phantom Kangaroo | Cryptid Wiki | Fandom
- Wrestling with Cryptid Categories – The National Cryptid Society
- Unexplained! : 347 strange sightings, incredible occurrences, and puzzling physical phenomena : Clark, Jerome : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- What Happened To Minnesota's Phantom Kangaroos?
- The M-files : true reports of Minnesota's unexplained phenomena : Rath, Jay : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- What Happened To Minnesota's Phantom Kangaroos?
Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:Would Ru believe it, Unidentified hopping objects.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:And I'm Liz.
Speaker B:And this week we're going to talk about season 11, episode 7, plush plush.
Speaker B:Before that.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll talk what we what we've been up to.
Speaker B:Babe and I decided that we want to make an effort to be a tourist in our own town sometimes because sometimes we take for granted places that are convenient to us that other people would go visit.
Speaker B:So we went and visited the farmer's market this weekend and then we went and saw our friends soft opening of her rum distillery which has relocated to Dallas.
Speaker B:That's Island Getaway Rum.
Speaker B:And then we also went to oh we went and saw Love Pit which is a.
Speaker B:A dog a bully breed Rescue had a pop up at a brewery in town.
Speaker B:So yeah, that was my exciting.
Speaker A:You did not bring a friend home, which I was very disappointed.
Speaker B:Well, we did not bring a friend home because Albus, one of our doggos started going to school this week.
Speaker B:Again, it's not, it's doggy daycare.
Speaker B:But he had a really good day at doggy daycare because we're working on our social.
Speaker B:Eventually we can bring another friend home.
Speaker B:But I did send you pictures of one of them because she was really cute.
Speaker A:She was really cute and I think she should be your friend.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So Les, you've been on an adventure.
Speaker A:When you say my name like that.
Speaker A:How did you get two syllables into the word Liz?
Speaker A:So Dallas Le.
Speaker A:Yeah, I guess it's still better than Lizzie.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Yeah, no.
Speaker A:I just got back from the ever exciting Lily Dale, the home of the spiritualists or one of the homes of the spiritualists in in the US And I went up there for Shane and Taggart Symposium of High Strange.
Speaker A:And it was, it was everything you would expect Lily, Lily Dale to be, you know, full of mediums and bugs.
Speaker A:And so I learned what it was like to live in a, in a convent because the hotel that I stayed at at the first, the first of it was the Maplewood which is, you know, it is.
Speaker A:Mae west stayed there is also it used so it used to be the stables.
Speaker A:And so when they turned it into a hotel they did that thing where they raised up, raise it up and put the building underneath it.
Speaker A:So what is now the third floor used to be the first floor, the ground floor.
Speaker A:And so when you're on the third floor they say you can Hear the haunting hoofsteps of horses climb.
Speaker A:You know, going through the, you know, that's a good way to sleep at night.
Speaker A:So on my, my level, which was the second level, I forget what's supposed to haunt that.
Speaker A:But what did not haunt it was air conditioning, a private bathroom, a lamp that could reach the electrical outlet.
Speaker A:So by the last night, I say I split my time between that hotel and an Airbnb which was outside the gates of Lilydale.
Speaker A:You have to understand this town is a village where you drive through gates to get into it.
Speaker A:And most days you have to pay a fee during the summer and if it's, you're not allowed there most of the time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But they open their gates during the summer and you can go hang out and see all the cool stuff, all the history and things.
Speaker A:And so some fun things that happened while I was there.
Speaker A:So I went and got.
Speaker A:So they have these, this inspiration stump or all a.
Speaker A:A gaggle of mediums which we discovered, we determined was called a seance.
Speaker A:Give messages from spirit.
Speaker A:So you can talk to your, your loved ones or other people who are on the other side.
Speaker A:And I may or may not.
Speaker A:I, I got a message and so I may have gotten the message from the other side.
Speaker A:And I saw, I saw lots of people get messages from the other side.
Speaker A:I probably saw like over like 500 messages by the time.
Speaker A:Yeah, I saw dozens of mediums.
Speaker A:Like it's, it's pretty crazy, pretty crazy there.
Speaker A:It's wild stuff.
Speaker A:No, it's really interesting.
Speaker A:I highly like, I recommend it.
Speaker A:If you're anywhere near New York, you should go there for a day.
Speaker A:So at the symposium we did O.
Speaker A:Also before I forget during the, during the stump there was a sighting of Elvis.
Speaker A:And then also outside of the stump while I was in walking tour, I'm pretty sure I may have seen a ufo.
Speaker A:So I was standing outside the fairy.
Speaker A:Like there's a fairy trail through the forest where they have put like all of these fairy houses and stuff.
Speaker A:It's really cool.
Speaker A:It's very long fairy.
Speaker A:It's the biggest fairy tale you've ever seen.
Speaker A:And I was standing, we were standing outside on the street and I'm looking up and I saw this weird ass light that looked like basically like a weird orb in the sky that was far away and it looked like it was should be a plane that was landing, but it wasn't landing and it was just kind of going at a weird speed.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden I hear someone's like oh my God.
Speaker A:She sees it too.
Speaker A:And then there's a couple next to me, and they were filming it.
Speaker A:So they have it on video.
Speaker A:And when you looked at the video, they were still two, or it was not just one, but so somebody got that on video.
Speaker A:So that was really cool.
Speaker A:Oh, also on.
Speaker A:In the stump, on the way.
Speaker A:On the way to the stump.
Speaker A:It's in the woods.
Speaker A:And there is.
Speaker A:The largest pet cemetery in America is in there.
Speaker A:And they eventually had to stop out.
Speaker A:You tell people to stop burying their pets in there, but in there were horses.
Speaker A:So there were horses in the pet cemetery, including Topsy, who was a horse who used to be used to get ice off the lake to.
Speaker A:To put into the ice box for summer.
Speaker A:And it drowned it in the lake.
Speaker A:And it was very sad.
Speaker A:So Topsy is there, and they have a memorial, so.
Speaker A:Hi, Topsy.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So that Lily Dale itself, like I said, it's just like lots of.
Speaker A:Lots of messages.
Speaker A:Lots of church services with the dead.
Speaker A:And I was in a symposium, so there with lots of academic nerds talking about dead people and other things.
Speaker A:And we started off with a spoon bending Uri Geller, which we have talked about on this podcast, and had a group of people get together and bend spoons and showing Diana my bent spoon.
Speaker A:Yeah, it took me until the last time to.
Speaker A:To get it.
Speaker A:And I think because, like, one of the methods they try is, you know, you're supposed to.
Speaker A:First off, you're.
Speaker A:We tried meditating where you just became in love with your spirit spoon.
Speaker A:And then, like, once you became, like, in love with it, then you would tell it to bend and it would.
Speaker A:Because it loved you too.
Speaker A:And I could not have emotionally manipulate spoon.
Speaker A:You're emotionally manipulating the spoon.
Speaker A:And I just cannot.
Speaker A:A fake person.
Speaker A:I couldn't.
Speaker A:You know, I just can't make people.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I can't tell something else what to do that seems wrong.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:Or maybe I just had a fleeting love with a spoon.
Speaker A:I'm not sure.
Speaker A:Then it was.
Speaker A:We're trying the method where everybody in the room jumped up and down a couple of times, and then we spun around in a circle and then we bent the spoon.
Speaker A:So the second time we did that, that worked for me.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:But you were also supposed to be, like, filling yourself with, like, joy and light.
Speaker A:And I kind of think that maybe why I had a problem with it.
Speaker B:I was gonna say, I'm like, who.
Speaker B:Who are you?
Speaker A:And yeah, I was like, oh, can I throw some existential dread at it?
Speaker A:Like that?
Speaker A:I'm really Good at like, you know, so that.
Speaker A:What else?
Speaker A:So at the symposium we got just.
Speaker A:There was a, A live taping of the podcast Weird Studies and he talks about the paranormal journalist John Keel.
Speaker A:There was two talks by Christopher Josephi.
Speaker A:I'm probably saying his name wrong, but he is the author of Jeff the Strange Tale of an Extra Special Mongoose.
Speaker A:And so he did two talks that was really cool.
Speaker A:There was one talk about how to build a haunted house, which was really great.
Speaker A:Like taking all of the like things like looking at the data from haunted houses and calling out like, okay, they're on a crossroads.
Speaker A:Oh, they have windows this way.
Speaker A:So just this is like basically coming up with like, what would the world's most haunted house be?
Speaker A:Yeah, it was really good and really ugly.
Speaker A:It could be.
Speaker A:It would be on World's Most Ugliest Houses.
Speaker A:So there was another one where we, the woman talked about how to do liminal dreaming, which is something that Einstein used to do and, or I know Edison used to do.
Speaker A:I don't know, like smart people did it.
Speaker A:But it's basically where you're instead of, you know, like the dreaming, like you're instead of lucid dreaming, which is when you're all the way unconscious.
Speaker A:Yeah, Liminal dreaming is that moment when you're like half asleep.
Speaker A:Like when you're right when you're falling asleep or right when you're waking up.
Speaker A:And so apparently you can work in that space and it's really good for creativity.
Speaker A:And so like what I think it was Edison or whatever that would like put.
Speaker A:They would put heavy things in their hands and then like basically sit down to go take a nap and just trying to like hang out in that half asleep space, like to get like ideas and get juices going.
Speaker A:So that was a really cool, interesting lecture to hear about.
Speaker A:I don't know, I'm gonna try it.
Speaker A:And lots of stuff about enchanted rocks and oh, we brought up the comp, you know, idea of if things are being possessed by.
Speaker A:If by humans, you know, cursed objects or whatnot, then do we have some sort of ethical responsibility to them as human beings in it?
Speaker B:That's interesting.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so we can talk about that in with this episode.
Speaker A:I think that's a really good transition to this episode.
Speaker A:Okay, so this episode, as I was talking about ghosts.
Speaker A:Oh, there's one more thing.
Speaker A:So when I was on the tour where I saw the ufo, we were standing outside of this really cool tree and this couple walked past us.
Speaker A: It's about: Speaker A:And then she just kind of laughed and walked off.
Speaker A:And I just.
Speaker A:She like, I just met my future self.
Speaker B:That's hilarious.
Speaker A:Okay, so, yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I was like, whoever you are, lady.
Speaker A:I ever.
Speaker A:I never met her again.
Speaker A:Like Jen is.
Speaker A:She passed me once in the night in Lilydale.
Speaker A:She was a ghost.
Speaker A:What if she was a ghost?
Speaker A:That is quite possible.
Speaker A:Or future me is also quite possible because there's vortexes.
Speaker A:I learned about four vortexes that exist in the Lydia.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a lot of vortexes.
Speaker A:I don't know what comes in and out of that.
Speaker A:So anyhow, so we're gonna talk about plush.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:So he did Donna's episode in season 10 and it was written by Eric Carmelo and Nicole Snyder.
Speaker A:And last season we saw them do Ask Jeeves and Halton Catch Fire.
Speaker A:And then they also did Dog Dean Afternoon in season nine, which Tim Andrew directed.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:They've worked together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So dude's watching TV while his wife's doing dishes and asks him to take out the trash.
Speaker B:And he's a dick about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's like, it's your cooking that stinks.
Speaker B:So rude.
Speaker A:And he's just.
Speaker A:He wants to watch the game.
Speaker A:And so she of course does, but a lot of us would do and just says it.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna do this myself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she, while she's getting ready to go outside, we see a dude in a creepy ass bunny mask, like a, like a mascot mask, standing in the yard watching.
Speaker A:Or you know, more.
Speaker A:I think more accurately, it's like the meme bun.
Speaker A:Every Halloween, they.
Speaker A:Every Halloween, every Easter leg is used as a way to talk about, like, how the Easter bunny scares kids.
Speaker A:That's what this mask looks like.
Speaker B:Well, either way, she's like this.
Speaker B:She's like, I'm gonna go outside.
Speaker B:And we're like, as a viewer, you're like, oh, no, that body is gonna get her.
Speaker B:But the bunny doesn't get her.
Speaker A:Well, because there's creepy music playing too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we get the view of like from the bunny.
Speaker B:But no, she puts the trash.
Speaker B:Well, she has to fight with two trash cans because one's full.
Speaker B:Of course it's an ordeal because the wouldn't just take the trash out, but she Goes back inside.
Speaker B:And as she goes back in, we realize that the bunny is in this inside.
Speaker B:Has he brought the man a beer but then proceeded to bust it on his head and start stabbing him with the beer bottle?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And while this is happening, miss, at this point I'm just calling her Mrs. Stan, even though we learned her name later.
Speaker A:Mrs. Stan is outside muttering about meeting possum traps.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And she comes inside and sees her husband getting stabbed with a broken glass bottle by a guy in a bunny mask and screams like you would.
Speaker A:Like you would.
Speaker A:And then we cut to the title card.
Speaker B:So we have Sam praying at.
Speaker B:At his bed in the bunker.
Speaker A:Like full on, kneeling praying.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And he is saying that, you know, praying that, you know, his conversation with God is that his divisions are not making sense.
Speaker B:And he's asking for clarity.
Speaker B:And at this point, Dean enters and is wildly unimpressed and quite judgy about Sam's decision to pray.
Speaker B:Because he's like, God didn't show up for the apocalypse.
Speaker B:You think he's going to show up for this?
Speaker A:Which is also a fair point.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, you know, like, I wouldn't be.
Speaker A:At least like, I. I can see what Dean saying, like, I wouldn't be putting all my money on the table on that one.
Speaker A:But he's still also ignoring the fact that Sam is having seeing things in his head, which I would probably be like, given Sam's history.
Speaker B:Not ideal what's going on here.
Speaker A:So anyways.
Speaker B:And Sam does make the point though.
Speaker B:This is God's sister.
Speaker B:So maybe he might show up for this even though he didn't.
Speaker B:For the apocalypse.
Speaker B:And also like, it can't hurt.
Speaker B:It's kind of his take.
Speaker B:I feel like he's kind of like, well, doing something right.
Speaker A:And then Dean, though, has this very good line where he says, don't count on God, count on us.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker B:That's what he says.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So we go to the bunker map table that we're both so jealous of because it is stunning and it is covered in old books and scrolls.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker A:Jealous.
Speaker B:Yeah, I figured you'd be stoked on that too.
Speaker B:Because Castiel has dug up as much pre biblical lore that he could get his hands on.
Speaker A:And Sam couldn't read it because half of it was an Aramaic and then the other half, which he could read.
Speaker A:You could read like what I'm assuming, what is it?
Speaker A:Ancient Hebrew?
Speaker A:Like, oh, you could.
Speaker B:That one Google Translate has casual.
Speaker B:Super casual.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, but that one didn't have anything about the darkness.
Speaker B:Does Google Translate work?
Speaker B:That's the question.
Speaker A:I think Google Translate does have Aramaic.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:Actually, that's okay.
Speaker A:It has some fun languages in there, but doesn't have Latin.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Anyhow.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker B:Well, Dean's phone rings and it's Donna.
Speaker A:Who Sam references as fat sucker.
Speaker A:Donna.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Annoying.
Speaker B:But apparently he.
Speaker B:She is calling about a killer bunny.
Speaker B:So they are gonna go check this out in Cottage Grove, Minnesota, where she is now the Luton County Sheriff.
Speaker B:So she's.
Speaker B:Then we get a group hug when they arrive and discuss that there is a killer Easter bunny that took the entire team to get in into custody.
Speaker B:But the weirdest part of all of this is the fact the bunny head will not come off of this person.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So that is there.
Speaker A:And Dean is like, well, I'm not sure this is our kind of case, but if you've got a W.
Speaker B:I loved that line.
Speaker B:I was so happy I wrote that down too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Donna loves that as well.
Speaker A:And then we get to meet Officer Stover.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Well, we've got agents Elliot and Savage, which is a Def Leppard reference.
Speaker B:I mean, Detective Doug Stover.
Speaker B:And it is clear that Detective Doug Stover has the hots for Donna.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's really into her.
Speaker A:And it's just getting awkward because Donna doesn't want to be once bitten, twice dugged.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is a great white preference.
Speaker B:Anyways, couple.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So they all go to visit bunny dude in the cell.
Speaker B:Because that's what I'm calling him at this point because I don't know what else.
Speaker B:So we got bunny dude.
Speaker B:And by the way, this mask is extra fucking creepy because it also has.
Speaker B:It's really dirty and it also now has blood splatter on it.
Speaker B:So apparently this guy has no fucking id.
Speaker B:All they know is that he's a white guy that's 18 to 25 years old.
Speaker B:That's about all they got.
Speaker B:But detective dog is like, oh, I've got an emergency.
Speaker B:And so Donna leaves Sam and Dean with bunny dude to figure it out.
Speaker B:And of course, Dean has jokes right out the gate of.
Speaker B:Of what's up, doc?
Speaker B:Is his line.
Speaker B:And then Sam is unimpressed with Dean's attempt to get him to talk.
Speaker B:So Sam leans in with.
Speaker B:Let me guess, Raj.
Speaker B:You were framed.
Speaker B:Which is another great rabbit reference.
Speaker A:No, that one was bad.
Speaker A:That one was bad.
Speaker A:I didn't like it.
Speaker A:So Dean doesn't like it either.
Speaker A:And then Dean gets grabbed and holy water doesn't work.
Speaker A:So they determine it's not a demon.
Speaker A:And they stop with all of their other tests.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is a really weird choice.
Speaker B:They don't do any other tests.
Speaker B:But also Dina's getting choked out.
Speaker B:The good thing is they notice that this dude has a tattoo that says Kylie forever on his wrist in bad font in terrible placement.
Speaker B:No judgment on getting your.
Speaker A:What if you just really like Kylie Minow?
Speaker B:I mean, there's other Kylie's out there too, but.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Why would Kylie live in this town?
Speaker B:I don't know either way.
Speaker B:And underneath his flannel is a Minnesota Tech T shirt.
Speaker B:So now we have two clues.
Speaker B:College and a chick's name.
Speaker B:So we've got Sam, Andina are gonna go stake out every Kylie in town's house.
Speaker B:I don't know, it's.
Speaker B:I guess it's a small town, but I guess they also had a cross reference of Minnesota Tech, but they find the last one.
Speaker B:And I'm just gonna give a little love to her car because parked in front of her house is a Buick Riata.
Speaker B:It was a two door Buick that was made in to 91.
Speaker B:And I actually just really love these cars.
Speaker B:And I don't know why.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker B:That's my comment for the day.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So Kylie comes out.
Speaker B:They show her this picture of dude and it's a bunny mask.
Speaker B:They're like, hey, do you know this guy?
Speaker B:And she's like, oh my God, of course.
Speaker A:That's my boyfriend.
Speaker B:Yeah, of course.
Speaker B:And they're like, why would he stab somebody that he doesn't know?
Speaker B:That's weird.
Speaker B:And if.
Speaker B:Why or how does he know him?
Speaker B:She's like, what the are you talking about?
Speaker B:He was acting weird because we went to the thrift store to shop for costumes for this party and he put the bunny mask on.
Speaker B:And that was really gross.
Speaker B:I'm glad she also acknowledged it was gross.
Speaker B:And as soon as he put on, he started acting weird and he just like stood up and left.
Speaker A:Yeah, but also he like at first he creeped her out and he thought that was really funny.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:That's why he likes, like was like going into it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:What a good boyfriend.
Speaker B:So weird.
Speaker B:Anyways, but she's like, but no, he's the sweetest.
Speaker B:The mask is what's made him different.
Speaker A:So we go from there to outside the sheriff's office where Donna and Doug are wheeling out bunny Mike.
Speaker A:And then she gets offended when Doug wants to help her lift the bunny out of the chair.
Speaker A:But she does CrossFit and it's all about the core woman.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Just let him do it anyways.
Speaker B:But yeah, she's, she's.
Speaker B:She's working real hard to.
Speaker B:To try to represent.
Speaker B:But either way, he's apparently on a ton of tranquilizers because they're trying to take him to the hospital to surgically remove the mask at this point.
Speaker B:And she is unable to move this body.
Speaker B:They even try together.
Speaker B:She does let him help.
Speaker B:Still unsuccessful festival.
Speaker B:And Dean calls and of course they turn their back.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Of course he is not as impacted by the tranquilizers as he should be.
Speaker B:And so he attacks them.
Speaker B:And Doug has to shoot bunny dude a whole bunch.
Speaker A:Does he though?
Speaker B:Oh, I mean he's attacking and it took a whole team.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:Tranquilizers.
Speaker B:And they said they had.
Speaker B:They had to take a whole team to even take him into the cell before.
Speaker A:I know, I know, but it's still.
Speaker A:I mean, so.
Speaker A:So he's down.
Speaker A:Bunny is down.
Speaker B:Bunny.
Speaker A:The bunny is down.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And what they see is now a young man, a hat is next to him.
Speaker B:The ma or the mask is next to him and he's dead.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean go meet Donna in the woods with the mask where they are going to burn it.
Speaker B:And she is very upset because she feel 19 year old kid who he was is dead.
Speaker B:It was the mask's fault and he was just a puppet.
Speaker B:So they're gonna burn it.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And I don't know how they can have a serious conversation with that bunny mask just staring at them.
Speaker B:Ridiculous.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And Sam has taken a stand though.
Speaker A:And nobody else dies.
Speaker A:Not like this.
Speaker A:And he hands Donna the matches and they solemnly watch the bunny burn.
Speaker A:And this was not the first time a bunny terrorized Minister Soda.
Speaker A:And talk about some more Hop and get the Lord.
Speaker A: So in the: Speaker A:A town who actually changed their name to be Coon Rapids, Minnesota reported seeing large hopping beasts with glowing eyes that devoured garbage and killed pets and small other small animals.
Speaker A:Eventually the beast would be dubbed Big Bunny.
Speaker A:The stories were primary collected by Lauren Coleman, the cryptozoologist and founder of the International Cryptozoology Museum who also conducted the interviews with the witnesses.
Speaker A:And I couldn't identify, couldn't verify any of these reports by newspaper.
Speaker A:But also I had shorter research time this week so I couldn't dig dig.
Speaker A:But nothing came up at the first.
Speaker A:So anyways, these are the ones that were in Minnesota.
Speaker A: near Coon Rapids in: Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Also that year, another woman, her brother.
Speaker A:So another woman named.
Speaker A:Who was married to Gary Hayter.
Speaker A:She told him that her two brothers told her that they saw a big rabbit hopping around.
Speaker A:Around.
Speaker A: And then in: Speaker A:No further reports of hopping creatures in Minnesota.
Speaker A:But it is not the only place with these unidentified hopping objects, these uhos.
Speaker A:Well, clearly that is the best name for these cryptids.
Speaker A:They have also been called phantom kangaroos or errant kangaroos.
Speaker A:And yes, they are indeed a cryptid.
Speaker A:According to the author George M. Eberhardt's categorization of cryptids, he had like 10 categories and this one fell under distribution anomalies.
Speaker A:So that were not a zoological mystery.
Speaker A:So a known animal that was seen.
Speaker B:In an odd location.
Speaker A:An odd location is in, by his categorization, a cryptid.
Speaker A:So like I said, he had 10 categories and we don't have time for all of them, but a few I think we would all find interesting.
Speaker A:So another one was undescribed unusual or outsized variations of known species.
Speaker A:And this could include common animals with notable deformities or attributes or often those that suffered from a form of gigantism, like giant snakes in the Amazon.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, so another one.
Speaker A:Survivals of recently extinct species like the Tasmanian tiger that everyone thought was extinct.
Speaker A:And then like 40 years later, they're like, oh, I just saw a Tasmanian tiger.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Another one is animals not known from the fossil record nor related to any known species.
Speaker A:So that's completely an unknown.
Speaker A:And according to Eberhard, Sasquatch belongs in this category.
Speaker A:And so he said, despite the fact that some researchers think that Bigfoot is a surviving Gigantopithecus, we know this huge Pleistocene ape only from a few fragment jaw fragments and isolated teeth and have no idea what it looked like it back then.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So I think they're making a new emoji of.
Speaker A:Of Sasquatch.
Speaker A:Yeah, there was a Sasquatch outside my Airbnb.
Speaker A:I saw him hanging out there.
Speaker A:It's pretty cool.
Speaker A:I also met a Paro anthropologist, which I didn't know there's a thing, and that was really cool.
Speaker A:So, all right, other three.
Speaker A:So other categories, mythical animals with a zoological basis.
Speaker A:So that would be something like a mermaid.
Speaker A:Okay, Another One seemingly paranormal or supernatural entities with some animal like characteristics.
Speaker A:So that would be like Mothman, Jersey Devil or phantom dogs.
Speaker A:And so I would argue that you could put phantom kangaroos here too.
Speaker A:But you know, other one would be like known hoaxes or probable misidentifications.
Speaker A:So where else are these phantom kangaroos?
Speaker A:You could argue that they're here in my town because Bernie does have kangaroos that have hopped through here a number of times because we have rich people who have too much money and adopt animals they probably shouldn't have.
Speaker A:And they've got so.
Speaker A: going further in time though,: Speaker A:And there was a circus in town.
Speaker A:But that circus had no kangaroo.
Speaker A:Which I think is a suspicious thing to say that I could just.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:The circus had no kangaroo.
Speaker A:I don't have a kangaroo.
Speaker A:I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:You escaped?
Speaker A:What did it do?
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:This thing that looks like a kangaroo, it wasn't such a great big animal.
Speaker A:It was about the size of a small calf and weighed about 150 pounds.
Speaker A:But the noise is what scared us.
Speaker A:It sounded like a woman screaming in an awful lot of agony.
Speaker A:And then they found tracks that were 8 to 10ft apart, leading to their swamp.
Speaker A:I also like that they had a.
Speaker B:Swamp in swamp kangaroos.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe a swamp kangaroo.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:It was seen fleeing later carrying sheep.
Speaker A:Which leads me to say if it was a kangaroo, was it in his tiny kangaroo paws?
Speaker A:How was the kangaroo carrying the sheep?
Speaker A:Was it multiple sheep?
Speaker A:Was it, was it in the pouch?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:How was it running away with the sheep?
Speaker A:Why was this not in pictures?
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A: Grove City, Ohio,: Speaker A:Seeing the lights crossing the road in front of the bus was a beast about five and a half feet tall, hairy and brownish in color.
Speaker A:It has a long pointed head.
Speaker A:It leapt a broad wire fence and disappeared.
Speaker A:The bus driver said it resembled a kangaroo, but it appeared to jump on all fours.
Speaker A:I'm certain it wasn't a deer.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:A witness brewery order Charles Wetzel gave one of his brand beers the name Wetzel Kangaroo Beer.
Speaker A:They appeared in Illinois, Wisconsin, Colorado, Delaware, Cal, Delaware, Delaware, California, Utah, Oklahoma, North Carolina and Ontario and New Brunswick.
Speaker A:Through the 70s and 80s.
Speaker A:This is a good one.
Speaker A: In October: Speaker A:They coordinated in an alley.
Speaker A:One of them tried to cuff it and this reminds me of Sam.
Speaker A:And so one of them tried to cuff it and then it started to scream and got vicious sight.
Speaker A:Then it ran and then it kicked the officer in the shit a few times and then it ran away.
Speaker A:And then sightings of it were repeated.
Speaker A:It were found reported in Plano, Illinois, which is 50 miles west of Chicago.
Speaker A:Two groups there reported seeing it.
Speaker A:Then it was in Lansing, Illinois.
Speaker A:Then in Rensselaer and Carmel, Indiana.
Speaker A:Then on November 15, it was seen back in Chicago on a vacant lot.
Speaker A:Then it was seen and shared in Indiana.
Speaker A:On November 25th when a farmer, Donald Johnson, Don Johnson, saw a kangaroo running in all four feet.
Speaker A:It hopped a barbed wire fence and then it was never to be seen again.
Speaker B:Do we have like a weird ass, like secret, like very like, like secretive like herds of kangaroos that now use all fours and they you all over.
Speaker A:The US that's there have some kangaroos.
Speaker A:This, this is the point.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Kangaroos recited, photographed and maybe even had had their prints made.
Speaker A:The investigator Mark hall saw had plaster tracks.
Speaker A:They're about 6 inches long and 3 inches wide.
Speaker A:He said they have a two pronged fork appearance with two knobs at the rear of the fork handle.
Speaker A:The photograph showed a fuzzy slumping figure which could be a kangaroo.
Speaker A:The better of the photos had a tan animal with lighter brown front limbs, hints of a lighter brown hind limb, dark brown or black patches around the eyes, inside the two upright ears and possibly surrounding the nose and upper mouth area.
Speaker A:The animal compare compares favorably with Bennett's wallaby or the brush kangaroo.
Speaker A:A native of Tasmania.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:I think that was probably acid.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:But neither the kangaroo, kangaroo or the driver could be found to be investigated, which to me sounds like nobody hit a kangaroo.
Speaker A: Between: Speaker A:And then this one's kangaroo ish.
Speaker A: e zoo in Staffordshire in the: Speaker A: ave occurred even through the: Speaker A:As would rue believe it.
Speaker A:Wallaby spotted in Wales.
Speaker B:I've wanted a wallaby for so long, it's not even funny.
Speaker B:I blame.
Speaker B:I blame Nickelodeon for Rocco's modern life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that is detail of the I. I will say the year.
Speaker A:Uhos, I think.
Speaker A:Uhos.
Speaker B:Uhos.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:Uhos.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:From those uhos back to.
Speaker A:To this one.
Speaker A:To the gym.
Speaker B:Back to the gym.
Speaker B:Where our high school coach is helping the quarterback work on his bench press.
Speaker B:And so he's.
Speaker B:And informs this kid to lay off the HGH in case.
Speaker A:Not because it's bad for you, but.
Speaker B:In case he has to pee in a cup.
Speaker B:So kid goes, puts in his headphones to keep lifting and is lifting, listening to Hell to Pay by Five Finger Death Punch.
Speaker B:And which is Liz's new favorite band.
Speaker A:Do you want to date that guy?
Speaker A:So go on.
Speaker B:And coach goes to his office to do some work.
Speaker B:The kid playing, the kid lifting weights.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:His breath turned cold.
Speaker B:And we see a very, very, very creepy jester enter the room with.
Speaker A:And they pick up a cattle bell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they don't even start doing swings.
Speaker A:Like they just ignore the key the teen and go to the coach.
Speaker A:He was on what the is happening?
Speaker B:And starts whacking him in the head with a kettlebell, which is awful.
Speaker A:And really good arm strength.
Speaker A:It's so hard to swing a kettlebell like that.
Speaker B:Geez.
Speaker B:So we are cut immediately to a crime scene because obviously the coach is office is now one and there's blood everywhere.
Speaker B:And Donna shares.
Speaker B:The coach is alive.
Speaker B:He's just in a coma.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So Doug is wondering about these two masked attacks in two days.
Speaker B:And Sam and Dean and Donna are like, oh, you know, look over there.
Speaker B:Social media copycat.
Speaker B:It's okay.
Speaker B:Go away, Doug.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean are gonna go talk to Brian Brock, the young man.
Speaker A:Who was Rock Buckner.
Speaker A:And that name sounds like a porn name.
Speaker B:It kind of does.
Speaker B:And he was hammering his buys, getting all swole.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And now I hate him.
Speaker A:I hated him.
Speaker A:I didn't have.
Speaker A:I didn't have to get this far to hate this child.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And he does not know who the mascot is because he is the cornerback.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And he also has to drop in that he holds.
Speaker A:Holds the state bench press record.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kind of sad as a coach that got hit with the kettlebell.
Speaker A:Anyway, so he answers the weird questions that Sam asks and you know, doesn't really like.
Speaker A:Doesn't that an eye at the questions and it's just like, oh, yeah, I Got cold.
Speaker B:It got cold and the mask wouldn't come off.
Speaker B:Not weird at all.
Speaker B:Not weird at all.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But at the jail, Sam and Dean and Donna are trying to check out this.
Speaker A:This jester has finally pulled out the EMF reader.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because that's.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:They didn't think to do this on the goddamn bunny dude anyways.
Speaker B:And so it's clearly a ghost possession situation.
Speaker A:Maybe that's why I'm so pissed that he died.
Speaker A:Because I'm just like, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Like, could it.
Speaker A:Like this was a ghost possession?
Speaker A:Like, why did a ghost possession have to die?
Speaker A:Like, I mean the demon things are ev.
Speaker A:Like that's even one thing.
Speaker A:But can't go back to the ethics of protecting somebody who's, you know, a human being is even like when they're talking about the ethics of a ghost itself.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Like what ethics do we have to protect the human soul?
Speaker A:That was ghost.
Speaker A:But now I'm just talking about the ethics of the thing that's inside the fucking bunny costume.
Speaker B:Like, right.
Speaker A:Did you not have more of a responsibility to test this thing further than just doing holy water?
Speaker B:I think there is a very valid case that the Sam and Dean had a.
Speaker B:A higher obligation to.
Speaker B:To do.
Speaker B:Do their diligence.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They didn't do a silver.
Speaker A:I mean they know it's not a shape shifter, so they didn't do us.
Speaker A:But I mean I've I.
Speaker A:For Sam and Dean.
Speaker A:Like I would.
Speaker A:Once again, this goes to the organization that they lack.
Speaker A:And we.
Speaker A:We'll see clearly later when they don't have the ghost bag.
Speaker A:But yeah, there should be just the bag of the.
Speaker A:This is my testing bag.
Speaker A:And this has my holy water.
Speaker A:This has my iron.
Speaker A:This has my silver.
Speaker A:Then we just go through it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They should have done something.
Speaker B:But they did nothing.
Speaker B:Until next time now.
Speaker B:And so Sam's ghost 101.
Speaker B:He informs Donna that ghosts can attach to objects.
Speaker B:So now we're going to use salt or iron to get rid of it.
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:And she's like.
Speaker B:She's like, I carry salt.
Speaker B:And she has like the.
Speaker B:The weirdest diet thing that she's doing.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Not to knock weird, but it was weird.
Speaker A:No, but she also has.
Speaker A:So again, like, she's got her fanny pack prepared and like, at least she's got her shit together.
Speaker A:And so what her salt thing that she's doing doing is like she's basically telling herself she's.
Speaker A:She's ruining her dessert.
Speaker A:She'll eat it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She'll take One bite.
Speaker B:And then she dumps a bunch of salt on the rest of it so she can't eat the rest, just eat the dessert.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But it doesn't work in salted caramel because that takes it better.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So then he.
Speaker A:Dean whips out a shotgun from his duffel bags.
Speaker A:Again, you should have a ghost bag.
Speaker A:And he shoots the mascot.
Speaker A:And I know this is only a song salt pellet, but that's a sawed off shotgun.
Speaker A:And even if that was a 20 gauge, and I think that looks like a 12, this is a close range to be right in front of a person shooting them with salt.
Speaker B:That's gonna hurt like a ain't gonna kill him, but it's gonna hurt possibly.
Speaker A:You could possibly kill somebody depending on where that hit and how.
Speaker A:Like that's a lot of velocity.
Speaker A:Like a big ass salt thing.
Speaker B:Like it's just a zero care for this poor person that's possessed.
Speaker B:Once again.
Speaker B:Again.
Speaker B:Once again.
Speaker A:Like your victim planning is just not on par.
Speaker B:Not on good.
Speaker B:Not good.
Speaker B:So we see a ghost fly out the window.
Speaker B:And this poor person's body falls before.
Speaker B:And it's a young chick, and it's Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker B:That's not Lindsay Lohan, but it's a young girl.
Speaker B:And she's like, what's going on?
Speaker B:And Donna's like, well, she's innocent too, okay?
Speaker B:And so they suggest to Donna, why don't you make up a story about a drifter being the.
Speaker B:The assailant here and just get this chick out of here.
Speaker B:Get her out.
Speaker B:Let her go.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:And Donna's not stoked on it, but she's gonna do it because she doesn't want this young, innocent girl to get for nothing.
Speaker B:So she's like, yeah, I just picked up the new mascot costume.
Speaker B:I was trying it on, then I woke up in jail.
Speaker B:That sucks.
Speaker B:But she's had the coach for PE before.
Speaker B:He's a hard ass, but she's never had anything against him.
Speaker A:Really not.
Speaker A:I want to hit him with a kettlebell because I have a hard ass.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And she got the costume though, because someone donated it to them.
Speaker B:The school, of course.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean and Donna are going to go visit Rita Johnson because she's the one that donated the costumes.
Speaker B:Her young son Max is there as well, at the house.
Speaker B:And so Donna's like, I'll show you.
Speaker A:The cop car, Max.
Speaker A:While Sam and Dean talk to your mom.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there distracts a kid to get him out of there.
Speaker B:And Rita tells Sam and Dean that this.
Speaker B:Those costumes belong to her brother.
Speaker B:He was a kids party performer, but is now dead.
Speaker B:Chester.
Speaker B:And she shows a very.
Speaker B:His name is Chester.
Speaker B:She shows a very, very, very, very, very creepy clown photo of him.
Speaker B:But apparently he was depressed and committed suicide.
Speaker B:And Max really wanted to save the costumes, but they made her satisf Had.
Speaker B:So she donated him to a school theater and thrift shop.
Speaker A:And he was cremated.
Speaker A:So Sam asked her to make a list of all the costumes.
Speaker A:And then he asked about Chester's relationship to the victims or if he had any unfinished business.
Speaker A:And she's like, I don't think Chester even knew those guys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam, Dean and Donna are talking, and she remembers the suicide.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, well, we need to get all the costumes.
Speaker B:Because since Chester was cremated, it's.
Speaker B:It's the costumes.
Speaker B:Must be it.
Speaker B:So Donna and dog are going on a costume collection mission.
Speaker B:The scavenger hunt, if you will.
Speaker B:While Dean's like, all right, we need to figure out the connection between Jester and his victims.
Speaker B:So he's gonna work on.
Speaker A:He also, like, you know, in the lowdown of these are the things ghosts go for, he explains to Donna that they're coming back for something personal, like revenge.
Speaker A:So Donna really has gotten her ghost 101.
Speaker A:Now she is this whole thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's going to the hospital to check on the coach.
Speaker B:Dean needs to go figure out this connection, and Donna's on costume hunt.
Speaker B:So we've got our divide and conquer, which is kind of good.
Speaker B:Even though splitting up is not always good.
Speaker B:This time it seems.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So we see Chester's creepy ass clown costume at the hospital in the coach's room.
Speaker A:Let that clown in with.
Speaker B:Just trolling around with balloons and a scalpel.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:What the security.
Speaker A:Like hell no.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Where are those hard ass nurses in a hospital?
Speaker A:I'm tackling it.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, that noise.
Speaker B:And he slits the comatose coach's throat.
Speaker A:And blood goes all over the equipment.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then they go into a really cool shot where they.
Speaker A:You see the clown from the.
Speaker A:The reverse mirror?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And he goes to the elevator.
Speaker B:And as the door opens, who's inside but Sam?
Speaker A:So Sam and his clownophobia.
Speaker A:Which I can't remember the real word for it right now, but yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam and his clown fear.
Speaker B:And so now they are in the elevator together.
Speaker B:And Sam knows he's too late to save Coach number one.
Speaker B:And number two, he's stuck in the elevator with the clown that just killed Coach.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:They Fight.
Speaker B:And are able to knock the scalpel out of his hand.
Speaker B:Sam is getting choked, but is able to press his piece of iron to the clown's throat to get that ghost the out.
Speaker B:And as he pulls off the mask, Scooby Doo unveils him, and it's a confused old man.
Speaker A:Like, Scooby Doo.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:It was very much an old man getting caught by the meddling kids.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Old man has no idea what the is going on.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So Donna has to investigate Coach's death.
Speaker B:Sam's there with the clown mask and was like, yeah, old dude was playing dress up with his grandson.
Speaker B:Why would you wear that goddamn clown costume in front of your grandson?
Speaker A:You hate your grandson.
Speaker A:You want your grandson to grow up to be a psychopath.
Speaker A:Also, they said Bozo.
Speaker A:And I learned this week the new bozo was David Arquette.
Speaker B:New bozo.
Speaker A:New Bozo the Clown is being played by David Arquette.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker B:I loved Bozo the Clown.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I learned that.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Anyways, all right, so Donna asked Sam if, you know, he escaped too.
Speaker A:And Sam says, yeah.
Speaker A:And Donna's like, I'm so losing my job.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Doug's just really confused now because now there's three, and they're like, oh, yeah, no, it's another copycat.
Speaker B:That's terrible.
Speaker B:Another copycat Doug.
Speaker B:No biggie.
Speaker B:I mean, no biggie.
Speaker B:It's another murder, so that's bad.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But Doug was on his way to get a Woodpecker costume at Woodbury.
Speaker A:I just wanted to say woodpecker costume.
Speaker B:And as Doug leaves, Sam kind of tells Donna, maybe, like, give Doug a break.
Speaker B:It's not really.
Speaker B:Don't treat the new Doug like the old Doug.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like, what the hell?
Speaker A:And then she's like, roger Beeswax.
Speaker B:That's what she says.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we have the widow from our opening scene sharing that her husband and coach were longtime friends, and they both did know Chester, but she has nothing nice to say about Chester.
Speaker B:So Dean leaves her house.
Speaker B:He's talking to Sam and learning what happened with the goddamn killer clown.
Speaker B:And basically, he's sharing that both.
Speaker B:Both victims.
Speaker B:So coach and our.
Speaker B:Our husband accused Chester of, quote, crossing a line with their kids.
Speaker B:There's not any detail shared, and there's not any detail in this episode about it.
Speaker B:And we don't even see their kids, I don't think, in this entire episode.
Speaker A:But they have made Chester the molester.
Speaker A:I cannot believe the writers did that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But anyways, it's it's really y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Y' all did that.
Speaker A:Y. Y' all went with Justin the molester.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Anyways, so we find, you know, then the story gets, like, really, like, not, like, it wasn't gross and bad before, but now we find out that these dudes didn't go to the cops and do a case.
Speaker A:Instead, they went to his house, and Rita says that she was there and told them to wait.
Speaker A:And then Rita was there and told them to off.
Speaker A:And that Chester killed himself.
Speaker A:Or did he?
Speaker B:So that's the big question.
Speaker B:So Dean's gonna go back to see Rita, and Max answers the door and lets him in.
Speaker B:But while he waits for mom to get there.
Speaker A:Don't let cops inside your house, Max.
Speaker A:And especially, like, when there's some strange man shows up at your door, you don't let them in the house.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, he's doing card tricks.
Speaker A:Talking to minors about their parents.
Speaker B:They're not supposed to talk to minors without their parents being there.
Speaker B:That is accurate.
Speaker B:And so he's saying that Max tells Dean that what those men said is not true.
Speaker B:So he is aware of the accusation.
Speaker B:Rita is pissed when she comes in and Sam's with her, that Dean is talking to Max without her there.
Speaker B:To be fair, Max or Dean didn't ask mask Max any questions.
Speaker A:Yeah, but she doesn't know that.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And she feels.
Speaker A:She feels like her son's rights are being violated.
Speaker A:She's a right to be this.
Speaker A:And she wants to know, like, why they're there.
Speaker A:And then she sends backs out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Sam's like, by the way, you lied that Chester definitely did know Stan and Coach, and they confronted you and.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, they.
Speaker B:You know, that.
Speaker B:That has nothing to do with any of this.
Speaker A:Well, first she's like, that's none of your business.
Speaker A:And I'm like, well, I mean, can you.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're both dead, so hold on.
Speaker B:Maybe it does.
Speaker B:And then Sam's like, yeah, you're.
Speaker B:You know, we need to know what.
Speaker B:What happened here and sort of stare.
Speaker A:The truth out of you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And are you.
Speaker B:Dean asked straight up, are you sure that he killed himself there?
Speaker B:So she's like, okay, fine.
Speaker B:Here's what happened.
Speaker B:They came to the house, told me that Chester did something inappropriate with their kids.
Speaker B:I was defensive.
Speaker B:I didn't believe it.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:He's like a dad.
Speaker B:He was like a dad to Matt.
Speaker B:Facts.
Speaker B:I told them to go to the cops if that's what they thought, which I feel like is probably a reasonable suggestion from her.
Speaker B:But either way, apparently they had no evidence And.
Speaker B:But because it was in her head, then Rita started to have doubts because her.
Speaker B:And it got under her skin because her brother was a little weird.
Speaker B:And he just really only got on with kids.
Speaker B:And, like, maybe he did do something and.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Chester.
Speaker B:And she had spent her whole life sticking up for her weird brother.
Speaker B:What if she couldn't see past that and she was concerned about Max then?
Speaker B:So instead of going to her brother, she called Stan and he said they would take care of it.
Speaker B:Which this.
Speaker B:This just seems like a lot of bad decisions by a lot of people here.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And they're like, no, we're not gonna hurt him.
Speaker A:We're just gonna scare him.
Speaker A:And then how they scare him is they.
Speaker A:They go and grab him him.
Speaker A:And they dangle him off when he's.
Speaker B:Wearing the coolest deer mascot costume.
Speaker B:I really like that.
Speaker B:The head was so cool.
Speaker B:I thought it's terrifying.
Speaker A:So they take the terrifying deer and.
Speaker A:Well, without a head on.
Speaker A:And they dangle him off a bridge.
Speaker A:And he denies everything and.
Speaker A:But they are.
Speaker A:And they cannot hold on to him.
Speaker A:And he fell.
Speaker B:Yeah, he wiggles because he's, you know, struggling against people that are dangling them off a bridge and accusing him of something that he's proclaims to be innocent of.
Speaker B:And they drop him.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so she gets basically told that, you know, she was Sam.
Speaker A:Tells her that they're going to go to jail.
Speaker A:She went to the cops, and she couldn't do that to Max.
Speaker A:Then she says one of these things that is, are we talking about you, or are we talking about Sam and Dean?
Speaker A:So she says is fear cripples you.
Speaker A:It makes you do nothing.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:It makes you.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:Or worse, it makes you do something you'll regret.
Speaker A:I should have trusted my brother.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Underline.
Speaker A:I should have trusted my brother.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So that's what she says blatantly out loud and somehow still does.
Speaker A:Maybe not going to someone's head.
Speaker B:No, of course not.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:So the phone rings, and the stalker, it's Donna.
Speaker B:And she's like, I've got all the costumes.
Speaker B:Like, what about that deer head?
Speaker B:She's like, what deer head?
Speaker B:There was no deer head on the list.
Speaker B:I go get the deer head, but she can't because Max has the deer head.
Speaker B:And he comes down the stairs right then.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And he is prancing his way through the house because he's a deer.
Speaker A:And he starts.
Speaker A:Is he prancing he's prancing and he's prances his way after Rita.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he's gonna go kill Rita.
Speaker B:Which is real dark now too, because it's a kid trying to.
Speaker B:Anyway.
Speaker B:A possessed kid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Sam somehow has lost the ability to fling the iron at the child.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:So Dean has the iron.
Speaker B:We get the ghost knocked out for a second.
Speaker B:And Max is super confused.
Speaker B:So Sam takes the deer head outside.
Speaker B:He's gonna go burn it.
Speaker B:And we get a nice view of trunk.
Speaker B:Briefly, briefly, briefly.
Speaker A:And then Dean goes into the kitchen for salt because clearly not prepared.
Speaker B:Not prepared.
Speaker B:Not prepared at all.
Speaker A:You have a ghost.
Speaker A:But you couldn't, like.
Speaker A:You didn't, like, re up on the salt after Donna saved your ass with it out of her fanny pack.
Speaker B:So Chester.
Speaker B:Chester the ghost is there.
Speaker B:Ghosty Chester, not possessing any person or objects now.
Speaker B:And he throws Dean.
Speaker B:And Max is asking him not to.
Speaker B:And he pauses for a second.
Speaker B:And that's really sad.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:But he grabbed Dean and starts choking him anyways.
Speaker B:Right around then we've got.
Speaker B:Sam is finally able to start burning this mask.
Speaker B:And just in time to get Dean released before he gets choked out.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And the ghost burns up.
Speaker A:So again, now, this ghost is.
Speaker B:How traumatic is this for Max, by the way?
Speaker B:So they're like.
Speaker B:They're like.
Speaker B:First off, he's like, oh, your uncle killed himself because he was depressed.
Speaker B:Oh, by the way, he's been accused of being a molester.
Speaker B:Oh, no, he wasn't actually.
Speaker B:Didn't actually commit suicide.
Speaker B:He was accidentally killed by two people that accused him of being a molester.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Oh, by the way, then his ghost came back and murdered them.
Speaker B:And then try.
Speaker B:And then possessed you and tried to make you murder your mom.
Speaker A:And then until we.
Speaker A:We burned up him.
Speaker A:So he doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So his soul's gone too.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:What kind of therapist do you hire for that?
Speaker A:You gotta go to Lily Dale.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So ghost is burned up.
Speaker A:Then we go to the next.
Speaker A:Where Donna and Doug have arrived at the scene.
Speaker B:Donna's like, I hope that, you know, next time you come back from Minnesota.
Speaker B:It's for something with plus murderers like.
Speaker A:Prince or Cheese Curd Fest.
Speaker A:Which I would definitely go to Cheese Curd Fest.
Speaker A:And so would Dean.
Speaker A:And then she is like, hey, your life must be just one big poop storm.
Speaker B:Pretty much.
Speaker B:But they refer to her as a hunter since this is her third case.
Speaker B:And she is stoked.
Speaker A:She's very Happy.
Speaker A:And she dolls out the hugs.
Speaker B:She does.
Speaker B:She does.
Speaker B:And she thanks.
Speaker B:Thanks Doug for his work and apologizes to him.
Speaker B:Oh, go, Donna.
Speaker A:And Doug shows that he's a smart dude.
Speaker A:Like, we're like, oh, I like you, Doug.
Speaker B:He's like, it's okay.
Speaker B:We all have baggage.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, okay.
Speaker A:I'm like, Emma, where you were treating me like a punching bag.
Speaker A:I. I'm not stupid.
Speaker B:So Sam and Dean are driving, and Sam has things to share.
Speaker B:He was saying that he keeps praying to God as if.
Speaker B:As if, you know, if.
Speaker B:If he's.
Speaker B:If God is sharing something with me and I don't know what to do with it, I have to.
Speaker B:That's why I keep praying.
Speaker B:But what I keep seeing, the vision I keep having that I'm curious about is of Lucifer's case.
Speaker A:Cage.
Speaker B:Is that where answers are?
Speaker B:Do I have to go back?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean's just like the.
Speaker A:You will.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:These messages are from God or pbs, but any me, you know, anything going down that road with the Cage is just bad news.
Speaker A:Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker A:No cage for you, Sam.
Speaker B:No cage.
Speaker A:No Cage.
Speaker A:No loot Cage.
Speaker A:No Nick Cage.
Speaker A:No Cage.
Speaker B:That's our episode.
Speaker B:Well, okay.
Speaker A:Well, but then also Sam says, okay, but in that way where you know he's lying.
Speaker A:Where.
Speaker A:Because he didn't learn anything from anything that was said earlier in the episode where somebody was trying to give him.
Speaker A:Yeah, but no, he didn't.
Speaker A:He didn't learn anything.
Speaker A:So, yep, that's where we are.
Speaker A:And so let's talk about some.
Speaker A:Some people in deer heads or wherever, whatever they were wearing.
Speaker B:Casting couch.
Speaker A:It's the casting couch.
Speaker A:Were they on that show that time with that guy?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Rita Johnson was played by Brigid Brannock and she's been episodes of Doogie Howser MD er, Touched by an Angel, Ally McBeal, Dharma and Greg.
Speaker B:Charmed angel four times.
Speaker B:CSI, just shoot me 24, 911.
Speaker B:Lone Star and Drop Dead Diva.
Speaker B:Grim.
Speaker B:Grey's Anatomy.
Speaker B:Been a bunch of stuff.
Speaker B:She also specifically was Pamela and Elsie in Army Wives and which is a regular character for like over 80 episodes.
Speaker B:And with Stacy and Runaways, which about over 30 episodes.
Speaker B:Officer Doug Stover was played by Brendan Taylor.
Speaker B:Interestingly, a lot of.
Speaker B:Most probably say about half this.
Speaker B:Over half his credits are actually in the art department as a set dresser.
Speaker B:So that's what most of his work is.
Speaker A:I really like him.
Speaker B:So as far as his acting, where you would have seen him, not to take away from his Other work but where we wouldn't recognize him.
Speaker B:His.
Speaker A:Maybe his message from.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:He's been in episodes of Witches of Eastend Arrow, Fargo, Bates Motel I, Zombie Magicians and Creep Show.
Speaker B:He was Lewis in Alien or O R E. He was the electronic Santa in Noel.
Speaker B:And he's done a bunch of other Hallmark movies.
Speaker B:Not just Christmas, but Hallmark movies in general.
Speaker B:Max Johnson, our young man was played by Logan Williams.
Speaker B:He doesn't have a ton of credits.
Speaker B:I say that it looks like he had.
Speaker B:He got.
Speaker B:He was a young actor.
Speaker B:Sometimes they don't continue in that world.
Speaker A:Sometimes they say this.
Speaker B:So he was young Barry in the Flash for several episodes of that and was Miles in When Calls the Heart for a couple or a dozen episodes or so.
Speaker B:Chester Johnson, Our.
Speaker B:Our.
Speaker B:Our ghost bad guy was played by Adrian Glenn McMorin.
Speaker B:He's been a couple of.
Speaker B:He's in a couple episodes of Supernatural, but he was Carl in Men and Trees.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Michael in Arrow for a few episodes.
Speaker B:He was the American soldier in the movie the Revenant and an officer in the movie Warcraft.
Speaker B:He's also been in episodes of Smallville, Charmed and Superman and Lois.
Speaker B:Us.
Speaker B:I'll make another one.
Speaker B:Other note of cast was Kylie was played by Morgan Peter or Megan PETA Hill.
Speaker A:Not Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker B:Not Lindsay Lohan.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:She's been in episodes of X Files, Magicians I, Zombie, Nancy Drew, Big Sky River, Riverdale, Flash and Kung Fu.
Speaker B:So you might.
Speaker B:That's why you're probably right.
Speaker A:She looks familiar.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It was really hard to say Riverdale just then because I really want to say Lily.
Speaker B:They all know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I guess I.
Speaker B:You and I briefly talked about this episode before we started recording.
Speaker B:And I said I didn't like it.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker A:You're gonna.
Speaker A:Now that you kind of realize that there was some.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker A:It's because it's a Donna episode.
Speaker A:You can't hate a Donna episode.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I just find it distressing.
Speaker B:Like, I don't like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:No, they're creepy as well.
Speaker B:It's creepy.
Speaker B:But like, I can get over the creepy that sometimes that's kind of camp and fun.
Speaker B:I think my problem is more like the implication that this guy may have been falsely accused leading to his death or he was a molester.
Speaker B:And I don't.
Speaker B:They're both bad.
Speaker B:And I don't like either one of those.
Speaker B:And I'm not happy with either one of those.
Speaker B:He's either moleste or he was falsely accused of melody and died because of It.
Speaker B:Those are both.
Speaker A:And either way, his end sucks.
Speaker A:Sucks.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like there is no chance for a redemption no matter.
Speaker A:Like no matter what you're saying.
Speaker A:Like there's nothing left.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's what bothered me about the episode.
Speaker B:And I know that that's probably intentional part of the story about whatever, but that bothered me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That didn't sit with me.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:That's why I didn't like.
Speaker B:That's what I disliked about it.
Speaker B:And no matter what about the fun and the Donna and the.
Speaker B:The fun masks.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker B:I kind of like them.
Speaker B:All of that.
Speaker B:I. I.
Speaker B:Even though they were creepy.
Speaker A:Creepy.
Speaker B:I kind of liked it.
Speaker B:But like all that was just like.
Speaker B:Kind of Just like all underscored by what the is ick.
Speaker A:Because of that part.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I mean anytime you bring, you know, child sexual abuse into it and trigger on that.
Speaker A:But I mean it's.
Speaker A:Even if you're just hinting at it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Is going to make everything extra disgusting and gross.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or even whether it's real or false accusation.
Speaker B:Both are awful to think things to deal with.
Speaker B:And it's like you're not clear.
Speaker B:And I don't like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:And then it also makes you.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:There also some moral judgments and icky feelings and it's just like none of it makes you feel satisfied.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I know it leaves you.
Speaker B:There's like an un.
Speaker B:There's an unresolved ick.
Speaker B:And that's what I didn't like.
Speaker B:But you did get some Donna.
Speaker B:She had a nice time with Doug.
Speaker B:She gets to be called a hunter, so.
Speaker B:Gold star, Don To.
Speaker B:That's what I'll leave.
Speaker A:Sam and Dean have learned nothing.
Speaker B:Nothing at all.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And they've learned nothing about the Darkness.
Speaker B:They have not learned about the Darkness.
Speaker A:Or their new album or.
Speaker B:I think I sent you the link to one of the Darkness's songs.
Speaker B:The ghost with the big tits.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, I forgot when the.
Speaker A:When we did our.
Speaker A:Our Darkness quiz was that last time week.
Speaker A:I forgot one to put in there.
Speaker A:He was a Mass.
Speaker A:Justin Hawkins was on the Mass Singer on the UK one.
Speaker A:And I was going to ask you about what he.
Speaker A:What his thing was.
Speaker A:I think he was a D. Yeah, he was.
Speaker A:He was on the UK Mass Singer.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So on that note.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean we're so also kind of like.
Speaker A:It's big.
Speaker A:See Episode seven.
Speaker A:So we're not even halfway through.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:So we'll.
Speaker A:We'll keep on trucking through this and.
Speaker A:And hopefully maybe something less icky next time.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:Yes, please.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Cheers, jerk.
Speaker B:Cheers, bitch.
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Speaker B:Meow.
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Speaker B:Going up to the spirit in the sky?
Speaker B:That's where I'm gonna go when I die?
Speaker B:When I die and they lay me?
Speaker B:I'm gonna go to the place that.
Speaker A:Sam.
