2:17 Heart
Awooo! It's Supernatural Season Two Episode Seventeen "Heart." Are these actually were-trash-pandas or werewolves? They sure don't look like werewolves! Liz is ridiculously excited to talk about the Werewolf Trials in Medieval France. Lesson learned: if someone offers you an ointment, don't rub it on yourself (unless you want to be a wolf or trip).
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Transcript
On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we see Dean's single man tear.
Speaker A:We talk about where trash pandas plus save Maddie.
Speaker B:Let's do.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And this week we're talking about season two, episode 17, heart.
Speaker B:Is that what it's called?
Speaker B:Somehow I did not get the episode in my notes.
Speaker B:I thought it was like, woof boy or something.
Speaker B:And I'm looking at what I pull down, I'm like, huh.
Speaker B:That doesn't say the title.
Speaker B:Anyways, okay, how was your week?
Speaker A:It was pretty good.
Speaker A:Pretty good.
Speaker A:I mean, I. I'll say that.
Speaker A:I mean, sure, it was pretty good.
Speaker A:We're just gonna go with that.
Speaker A:It's easier than explaining.
Speaker A:But yeah, just some minor work crises.
Speaker A:But I saw a really good artist out of Kentucky this weekend called Jeremy Pinnell.
Speaker A:His music is very 90s country feeling, but with a little bit of outlaw to it.
Speaker A:So it's some good vibe to it.
Speaker A:I really very much enjoy.
Speaker A:That's my little shout out right there for that.
Speaker A:And trying to think.
Speaker A:I feel like I did something else, but.
Speaker A:Oh, well, one of my stepchildren was in town, so we were spending a lot of time.
Speaker A:But yeah, not too bad.
Speaker B:Not too bad.
Speaker B:You were being an evil stepmom.
Speaker B:Did you make him clean the cinders?
Speaker A:I should have.
Speaker B:You're like, I don't have a fireplace, but I'm just going to make some stuff.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna burn some shit and dump it on the floor so you can clean it up.
Speaker B:I guess, like, you just dump your ashtray out and just be like, clean this.
Speaker B:You cannot go to the ball.
Speaker A:No, it was cool, though.
Speaker A:We had a good.
Speaker A:We had a good visit and we did had some good times.
Speaker A:Just hanging out, a lot of pool time, you know, chill, chill, End of summer shit like you do.
Speaker A:And going into.
Speaker A:Oh, the big exciting news is.
Speaker A:So I've talked about Duchess Deville many times on here.
Speaker A:Well, her husband Fairlane is back in the garage.
Speaker A:So my car's mate is my husband's car.
Speaker A:And it got back from paint and body and it looks fucking sick.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker B:And I'm so glad that the pictures that someday we'll post whenever we decide to go through them.
Speaker B:Fairlane went to the same place where we took pictures for the podcast that someday you'll see.
Speaker B:I don't know someday.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So he took it.
Speaker A:And his.
Speaker A:His car is a 57 Ford Custom 300 aka Fairlane.
Speaker A:I get there's nuance difference anyways, but he got this really cool custom thing done where they were Edsel tail lights that got.
Speaker A:His car was modified to put Edsel tail lights on.
Speaker A:It's a really cool custom mod for his car and he's quite happy with it.
Speaker B:So it looks sick.
Speaker B:We'll share pictures.
Speaker A:I'll send a picture.
Speaker A:Yeah, picture.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:How about you?
Speaker A:You had fun?
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker B:I had a very exciting work week, which is finally.
Speaker B:I don't want to jinx it.
Speaker A:Don't jinx it.
Speaker B:Jinx it.
Speaker B:But it was, you know, lots of jobs sucked.
Speaker B:I didn't have a lot of sleep, like, pretty much after, like, we ended recording last week.
Speaker B:It went straight into.
Speaker B:Liz lost sleep for an entire week.
Speaker B:But I also had friends coming to town, so I'm trying to juggle friends and work.
Speaker B:And thankfully at least one of them works in the industry, so she just understood what was happening.
Speaker B:So it's very laid back, but I got to take her around and toodle some places I took her for.
Speaker B:She's a whiskey girl.
Speaker B:So I took her for some drinks at Trudy Oak, which unfortunately their chasing room is so closed.
Speaker B:And I wish I would open that back up because I'm air conditioned.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But I mean, they actually are doing flights now.
Speaker B:Like, they're.
Speaker B:They're one of their main bigger bars.
Speaker B:So when did that got to check out?
Speaker B:Finally, the French Texas restaurant here, which is great.
Speaker B:And our friend Tina, who lives in New York, like, pre ordered a bottle of.
Speaker B:And we had a very silly hostess who we want.
Speaker B:It was kind of good though, because she walked in, she's like, I see you pre ordered a bottle of rose.
Speaker B:And I'm like, well, bitch, that was supposed to be a eyes.
Speaker B:And she was like 12.
Speaker A:And she was like, I feel so bad.
Speaker B:But, you know, the good thing is, like, we would not have known that was supposed to be there.
Speaker B:And we probably would have ordered other drinks and then been like, oh, wait,.
Speaker A:I drink that too.
Speaker A:That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, it was a lot of pressure, though, because Carlotta, my friend, is allergic to a lot of things, including sulfite.
Speaker B:She was like, I can drink like a glass of this.
Speaker B:And I was like, well, I guess I have to drink this bottle of rose.
Speaker B:And which normally is not a problem that, you know, for over an hour and a half, like with dinner as.
Speaker B:And it was a dry rose, but it was still like a little fuck.
Speaker B:Like, I was like.
Speaker B:And finally, well, it's always harder when.
Speaker A:The pressure is on.
Speaker B:Listen to this episode.
Speaker B:I'm really sorry we didn't finish that bottle, so.
Speaker B:But you had to get caught up in the podcast to hear that.
Speaker B:So someday you'll learn that.
Speaker B:We just left half that bottle at the table.
Speaker B:Probably like a quarter of it.
Speaker B:But it was delicious.
Speaker B:And they had creme brulee, which is my favorite dessert.
Speaker B:Love it.
Speaker B:It's so good.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker B:And we went to Wimberley and we found a new swimming hole and got in the river for, like, the first time in forever.
Speaker B:And I really needed, like, natural river water.
Speaker B:Like, it just says something for your soul.
Speaker B:And where.
Speaker B:Where that creek is at.
Speaker B:So where they.
Speaker B:Basically, there's, like, a waterfall that goes through there.
Speaker B:That was natural.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But they, like, damped it up more to make that area bigger.
Speaker B:And when they did that, they found a ton of artifacts from the natives in the area.
Speaker B:And supposedly, like, this area was supposed to be a really sacred site for the natives that lived in the land at that point, you know, back back in the day.
Speaker B:This is right by the devil's backbone that we talked about last week.
Speaker B:And so it was just.
Speaker B:Even though it was really cold, and I was answering work calls while I was getting, you know, in there, because, of course, like, somebody from my customer is like, I'm.
Speaker B:For days, like, I'm going to call you.
Speaker B:And they called me.
Speaker B:I'm like.
Speaker B:And I was like, bitch, I'm at the river.
Speaker B:And he was like, what?
Speaker B:I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker B:Like, I am at the river.
Speaker B:Like, this is if for me to deal with your ass.
Speaker B:Like, I needed a break.
Speaker B:But anyway, so it was cold because the.
Speaker B:There was like, a breeze, but it was still, like, okay for, like, just didn't get the titties.
Speaker B:But I was like, we're just gonna, like, try and, like, just hang out in here.
Speaker B:And then just to the waist.
Speaker A:Just to the waist.
Speaker B:And of course.
Speaker B:Cause it's a river.
Speaker B:Like, right when we were getting out, the current switched, and then the warm water came.
Speaker B:Or a bunch of children peed.
Speaker B:I'm not sure what happened, but, yeah, one or the other was like, damn it.
Speaker B:Of course, now there's warm water running past you, but it was great.
Speaker B:I got some Mexican food.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it was a good weekend.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So what are you drinking tonight?
Speaker A:I am drinking McPherson, which is another Texas wine.
Speaker A:They're Chenin Blanche.
Speaker B:No, you're saying it right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It's from the Texas high plains.
Speaker A:I came.
Speaker A:This is not one I was super duper familiar with until a couple of months ago, I was at a bar in Dallas and Bishop Arts and they had their sparkling wine, which is great.
Speaker A:I say a few months ago, it was last year.
Speaker A:It was great.
Speaker A:So anyways, I came across this at a total wine when I was restocking, and I'm like, bam, give it a shot.
Speaker A:And it's pretty tasty.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:I'm actually drinking a Coleman because they were having their.
Speaker B:Yeah, they were having their end of summer sale.
Speaker B:So I. Yeah, they had.
Speaker B:It was probably stuff I just assumed you would know because you're in that club and it's probably.
Speaker B:It's probably stuff you already got in your summer batch.
Speaker B:But it was basically like the rose.
Speaker B:It was just basically like hot stuff that you want to drink when it's hot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so I had them ship me some of those.
Speaker B:And this is not the rose, not the hot ones, but it's a bunch of whites and stuff.
Speaker B:But I imagine the Alibaba because I wanted a red wine.
Speaker B:And you know, the sad thing is, is that I actually have another kind of expensive bottle of red wine that's open in the fridge because when I had.
Speaker B:I had a slumber party Saturday night because another friend came over, so we did girly things.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:I'll just say we had a pillow.
Speaker A:Fight because of course you did.
Speaker B:Yeah, of course we did.
Speaker B:We were going to send that to my friend's boyfriend and be like, this is what happens when you leave me here.
Speaker B:This is also my friend who went to high school with Jared Paddlebucky, by the way.
Speaker B:So she's going to their 20th reunion in a couple of months, and he was a year older than her, but maybe he'll still show up.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:So that'd be odd.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I opened that up and then I realized that I had a Bordeaux open in the fridge and I really wanted to drink the Bordeaux.
Speaker B:So then, like, that got moved into the fridge, but then this wine came and I was like, I really want to drink that wine.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm a terrible wine drinker.
Speaker B:I'm a wasteful bitch.
Speaker B:Such a wasteful bitch.
Speaker B:Anyways, this wine's delicious and it'll be fun tonight.
Speaker B:So let's talk about this episode.
Speaker B:Oh, I'll be doing a lot of werewolf voices.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:So this was, as Diana said the name of it was Heart.
Speaker B:What a terrible name.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:I think it's just a shitty name.
Speaker B:Like, it's just it's.
Speaker B:To me it's like really easy.
Speaker B:Like you could have done better.
Speaker B:You could have.
Speaker B:You could have tried harder.
Speaker B:But it was.
Speaker B:We had some really big hitters in this, which is probably why this episode had a lot of heart.
Speaker A:I see what you did there.
Speaker B:He did, yeah.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker B:I'm very sorry.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So these are people who know like the characters really well.
Speaker B:They know the show and the storylines and work really hard.
Speaker B:Work really in line that with Kripke kind of on what this is going to.
Speaker B:So I'm sure we'll have lots of comments about the people who acted in this.
Speaker B:I have a feeling that Diana did some IMDb.
Speaker B:Maybe I didn't, but I thought you might have.
Speaker B:But did you not Madison?
Speaker A:I did, but nothing stood out.
Speaker B:That I saw Smallville.
Speaker B:I mean, she was a Smallville.
Speaker A:Okay, I didn't watch that.
Speaker B:Anyways, so we're going to start off in San Francisco and I do, like.
Speaker B:I almost like was trying to think if I wanted to do San Francisco and I'm doing my LA trip next in Halloween.
Speaker B:But I do miss San Francisco a lot.
Speaker B:I love the Bay Area to visit.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Well, we have to do that.
Speaker B:The tiki bars are so good.
Speaker B:There's so many good tiki bars and just like fun things.
Speaker B:The only thing about San Francisco is that it makes me claustrophobic.
Speaker A:That's not fun.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's kind of like being in a Europe town, though.
Speaker B:I mean, like, also like the first time that I went there was living in New York and it was already like used to big city life.
Speaker B:But I was like, this is like New York crammed onto a smaller island and there's a lot of hills and I don't like walking up hills, so.
Speaker B:But the food and the beverages are fucking amazing.
Speaker B:And also they start off at a bar and like nobody has masks on and they're all just like partying down.
Speaker B:Like, I remember that world.
Speaker B:You were so pretty.
Speaker A:Back in the day.
Speaker B:Back in the day where you didn't feel you're risking your life to have a cocktail.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, very fancy bar.
Speaker A:And I was like, it looks like, you know, like was an office party.
Speaker A:They just chill at the bar.
Speaker A:It's basically they're chilling at a bar, but a bunch of people at work together is kind of like the vibe.
Speaker A:And this guy Comes up and is basically, like, totally hitting on the chick.
Speaker A:That's kind of the focal point here.
Speaker A:And I like how you said hitting.
Speaker B:And I said sexually harassing.
Speaker A:Well, it wasn't really.
Speaker B:It wasn't clear at that point that it was her boss.
Speaker B:And maybe I knew that in the back of my mind that I was like, even if you like, to me, like, this is clearly.
Speaker B:Times have changed.
Speaker B:Times.
Speaker B:They have changed.
Speaker A:Yeah, you think about a few times, and we've seen that a few times in this episode.
Speaker A:Like, well, that one early on this episode.
Speaker A:But this series is like, well, that was.
Speaker A:That was over 10 years ago, obviously.
Speaker A:But yeah, so she, you know, and she kind of like, lets it.
Speaker A:Lets it roll off.
Speaker A:And officer said she already called him a cab.
Speaker A:So she's.
Speaker A:She's kind of like, handled him.
Speaker A:And then I was like, she's laughing, so I guess he hits on her a lot.
Speaker A:And so she watches him leave.
Speaker A:And then you see what I call emo dude sitting and staring at her.
Speaker A:Which, by the way, if there's like.
Speaker A:If you watch, there's a YouTube series about, like, something about felt emo.
Speaker A:And I will send you one list, but they're hilarious.
Speaker A:And that's what it kind of reminded me of.
Speaker A:Anyway, so he's, like, watching her, and she, like, stops laughing, and there's some ominous music.
Speaker A:You're like, oh, shit, who's this guy?
Speaker A:He gonna kill her.
Speaker A:And then he disappears.
Speaker A:And she's like, all right, I gotta go.
Speaker A:And so she, like, hauls ass, gets out of the.
Speaker B:This poor girl.
Speaker B:I mean, she's getting sexually harassed at work and she's getting stalked already.
Speaker B:I'm like, damn.
Speaker B:Like, you're putting up with, like, all the feminine shit, like, right now.
Speaker B:Like, you're having a hard life, Maddie.
Speaker B:Okay, go on.
Speaker A:I don't think I've ever been stalked.
Speaker B:I've been stalked.
Speaker B:It's not fun.
Speaker A:No, it sounds very unpleasant.
Speaker A:Very unpleasant.
Speaker A:So she's walking to her car alone in a dark parking lot.
Speaker A:No, ma'.
Speaker A:Am.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker A:And she has a crash.
Speaker B:Also, like, there's a parking lot in San Francisco.
Speaker A:So she hears a crash.
Speaker A:There's a dog in the trash cans.
Speaker A:And so she gets in her car and she's pulled out of a parking lot.
Speaker A:And you see the emo dude watching her drive away.
Speaker A:So next morning, as we cut to back to the off or to the office.
Speaker A:We went back there, but it's implied back there.
Speaker A:So she back the office, and she's doing her, like, you know, she's doing like, I'm making the morning coffee for the office routine.
Speaker B:And then she says, is that what happens in offices?
Speaker B:Diana still goes to an office.
Speaker B:I'm like, I don't know what that's like.
Speaker A:I bring my coffee with me.
Speaker A:Sorry, office is too small for that.
Speaker A:Bring your own coffee.
Speaker A:You're fine.
Speaker A:There's, like, two of us.
Speaker A:I don't want to clean a coffee pot for that.
Speaker A:So she.
Speaker A:She sees blood on a door frame, on the door.
Speaker A:The glass office door opens the office, and the guy that was hitting on her, who is her boss, is real fucking dead and real fucking bloody.
Speaker A:On the desk.
Speaker A:On the glass desk.
Speaker B:So she screams, yeah, the sexual harasser has been canceled.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:This is how cancel culture works now.
Speaker B:We just rip them apart.
Speaker A:That seems extreme.
Speaker B:It's a little extreme, but, you know, I mean, he's not.
Speaker B:He's not going to hit on her anymore.
Speaker A:Yikes.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we cut immediately to the morgue, which is a big jump.
Speaker A:Like, usually they kind of, like, beat around the bush leading up to this.
Speaker A:I was kind of impressed.
Speaker A:I'm like, all right, we're getting straight to it, motherfuckers.
Speaker A:I'm cursing a lot tonight anyways.
Speaker B:That's okay.
Speaker A:Y' all are used to it.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:If you've listened to this ever before, you're used to it.
Speaker A:So they're at the morgue and they're pulling the.
Speaker A:Nate is his name.
Speaker A:They pull him.
Speaker A:His out.
Speaker A:Him out of the.
Speaker A:The drawer.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And also we have Detective.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was gonna say they call Sam Detective.
Speaker A:That body is all stitched up like, it was torn the fuck up.
Speaker A:It's got scratches on.
Speaker A:So here is my actual question, and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way to the recently deceased.
Speaker A:I'm saying that there's a bad tie in because, you know Beetlejuice jokes.
Speaker A:But anyways, do they actually.
Speaker B:I'm also actually wearing a Beetlejuice shirt, by the way.
Speaker A:She is so give him a.
Speaker A:So, like, if, like, a body was found like that, would they stitch it up.
Speaker B:For after an autopsy?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So, I mean, like, I guess so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They didn't stitch up the wounds.
Speaker B:Like, they just look like chest.
Speaker A:Because his chest was, like, ripped open in the previous scene, and now it's not.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I was just like, no, for autopsy.
Speaker A:I know they do, but I was like, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, if it's being.
Speaker B:I mean, a lot of that will.
Speaker A:Go to the family and stuff like that.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I'm saying the more.
Speaker B:Nothing more.
Speaker B:The funeral home would do a lot of that.
Speaker B:But the.
Speaker B:It just kind of depends, I think, on, like, which I doubt in San Francisco they're probably big enough.
Speaker B:They would just send it straight on to the funeral home like that.
Speaker B:But I mean, also, like, where those stitches were.
Speaker B:That is general.
Speaker B:We opened up the chest plate to see things.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It just looked like there was some lower down that are like, you know, I've seen.
Speaker A:I watched enough, like, crime shows.
Speaker A:I know the Y incision, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:But, like, it seemed like there was like, on his belly and stuff, like, stitched up shit.
Speaker A:I was like, that's weird.
Speaker A:Anyways.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, they didn't stitch up the other things, but they also did a really good job, I think, of just the amount of.
Speaker B:That was makeup.
Speaker B:That was some beautiful makeup work.
Speaker B:Just like, especially down the arms and like.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:That was really good flashes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So they wrote the Emmy doesn't know what he put, what bit him.
Speaker B:But I was just looked at that and I was like, me doesn't know what bit him.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:But she does refer to them as bites.
Speaker A:And Sam asks.
Speaker A:Detective Sam is asking her off the record, and she's like, well, I think it's a wolf, basically.
Speaker A:But unless the zoo was missing a wolf, that sure as hell wasn't that.
Speaker A:So her backup response was Pitbull.
Speaker A:Which, by the way, this is not the first time we have seen Pitbull hate on this show.
Speaker A:So fuck that.
Speaker A:Supernatural writers, stop blaming pit bulls.
Speaker A:That is a false accusation against a very sweet breed of dogs.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:We will have Diana's pit bull lick your face to death.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And make pig noises and roll around on the floor, because she does a lot anyway, so.
Speaker A:But they did.
Speaker A:But Sam guesses and it's right that the heart is missing.
Speaker A:And so they figure out.
Speaker A:So we cut the guys talking, and this is the first man they found in town dead without a heart.
Speaker A:All the other bodies that have been found without hearts were hookers.
Speaker A:And it's always in the week leading up to the full moon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, there are a lot of sex workers that have gone missing.
Speaker B:And all aligned with the lunar cycle, just like my cycle.
Speaker B:But the cops also think it's a serial killer.
Speaker B:But Dean gets really excited because.
Speaker A:Very excited.
Speaker B:He's so excited, you know, else is very excited that it's a werewolf.
Speaker A:Liz.
Speaker B:Liz is.
Speaker B:You know why Liz is excited?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Because I've Been wanting to talk about the werewolf trials ever since we started the show.
Speaker B:So we're going straight into Laura, because I can't hold it back anymore.
Speaker B:Because I want to talk about the werewolf trials.
Speaker B:Lore.
Speaker A:Lore.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker B:Diana, have you heard about the werewolf trials?
Speaker A:I don't think I'm familiar with the werewolf trials.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think I may have dropped it in here once or twice.
Speaker B:Okay, so the werewolf trials are something that was happening at the same time that the witch trials were happening in medieval Europe.
Speaker B:And when I get to the numbers, you're gonna freak out at how many of these things were actually happening.
Speaker B:We are, however, gonna focus on France.
Speaker B:Cause that was where the majority of them.
Speaker B:But they were all over.
Speaker B:I also just like the.
Speaker B:You know, we go to France a lot.
Speaker A:I don't know, stories.
Speaker B:They were all over Europe, really.
Speaker B:You know, there's a really good one from Germany, and I will include the links to the stuff about the German ones.
Speaker B:But for time's sake and whatnot, I was like, let's just focus this on France.
Speaker B:So we're going to talk about.
Speaker B:Okay, so we're going to start off in.
Speaker B:I forgot what part of France.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:They were speaking French somewhere.
Speaker B:So this trial starts.
Speaker B: hat here is going to start in: Speaker B:And we have two protagonists in the first story.
Speaker B:And that's Mike Michiel.
Speaker B:That was kind of very Russian.
Speaker B:Michel.
Speaker B:Michel.
Speaker B:Michel Verdun.
Speaker B:Or Verdun, that's such a fucking German name.
Speaker B:Anyway, so.
Speaker B:Well, Michael, Mikey Verdun and Pierre Bourgeau.
Speaker B: you know, this all started in: Speaker B:There was a big storm, and it scared off all my sheep.
Speaker B:So while I was out looking for my flock, I found three black horsemen.
Speaker B:And I don't know if that meant, like, the horses were black.
Speaker B:The guys riding the horses are black.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just saw three black horsemen.
Speaker B:So one of them comes up to Pierre and he was like, I will help you if you serve me as your lord and master.
Speaker B:And he is like, I need my sheep.
Speaker B:This sounds like a really good deal.
Speaker B:And so he was like, okay, I'll come back in a week and I'll bind myself to you.
Speaker B:And lo and behold, there's a sheep.
Speaker B:So he finds a sheep, and a week later, the guy comes back and he is like, all right, I'm a servant of the devil.
Speaker B:Do you want to serve Satan?
Speaker B:And he is like, okay, so you.
Speaker A:Gave me my sheep.
Speaker A:I have to.
Speaker B:I'm not going to renege on my deal.
Speaker B:I. I hold my promises.
Speaker B:So he's like, he kissed his hand and therefore he was now bound to Satan.
Speaker B:But Pierre, you know, he started wavering back towards that Christianity.
Speaker B:So Satan was like, hey Michael.
Speaker B:Hey Mikey, we need you to get Pier back in line.
Speaker B:And he was like, all right, man.
Speaker B:Like I also serve you dark Lord.
Speaker B:So I'm going to bring him back to our satanic fold.
Speaker B:So Mikey brings Pierre to a Sabbath and they dance in the flames of a special candle and then they rub themselves ointment and that ointment turned them into wolves.
Speaker B:And then so after they've been doing this for a while, Pierre ends up attacking a seven year old boy.
Speaker B:Then he ate a four year old girl.
Speaker B:He also said that as a wolf he mated with other wolves and they had as much pleasure as if he copulated with their wives.
Speaker B:So he is apparently killing children and fucking wolves.
Speaker B:And if you let a wolf lets you fuck it like.
Speaker B:And that's some hardcore stuff.
Speaker B:I mean like I can't see wolf just being like, hey here, like let's do this, let's go, let's get down.
Speaker B:And then Mikey ended up killing like making life.
Speaker B:But he ended up apparently killing five girls I believe only ate four of them.
Speaker B:So that's cool.
Speaker A:He was full after that.
Speaker B:He was full.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B: o they were tried in December: Speaker B:So the next one that we're talking about is Giles or Giles and not like our Buffy, Giles gardening.
Speaker B:He was the werewolf of doll.
Speaker B:And so Giles had.
Speaker B:He was a hermit and he got married and then he was like, crap, I had to feed me and my wife now.
Speaker B:So I'm going to go out in the woods and I hunt for stuff.
Speaker B:And one night while he was in the woods there was inspector and they gave him an ointment.
Speaker B:So they're really into ointments during this time?
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:Some, yeah, some historians think that they were actually based.
Speaker B:There was something that was hallucinogenic that was.
Speaker B:And these things that were rubbing on themselves and like this is why they all think like.
Speaker B:I guess if, like if you think you're gonna.
Speaker B:Yeah, if you think you're gonna be a wolf and then you rub some topical belladonna or shrooms on you.
Speaker B:Then you're like, I'm a wolf.
Speaker B:Like, you know, and I'm gonna go fuck other wolves.
Speaker B:So several children started going missing in this area and so they went out into the woods to look for them.
Speaker B:And I'm very much picturing that scene from Beauty and the Bees where they'll look.
Speaker B:You know, where Gaston is, like, going out and looking for the beast.
Speaker B:Yeah, the torches, like, must find the wolf.
Speaker B:And then instead of finding the wolf, they found Giles hunched over the body of a child.
Speaker B:And so they take him in.
Speaker A:It seems like damning, damning evidence.
Speaker B:It's pretty damning evidence.
Speaker B:So they take him in.
Speaker B:And so he confessed to stalking and murdering at least four children, eating their flesh, and regularly breaking off a leg to take home to his wife.
Speaker B:I don't know, like, if he disguised the life or like.
Speaker B:Like walk in with, like, a.
Speaker B:A child.
Speaker B:Thigh was like, honey, I'm home.
Speaker B:Here's our bucket.
Speaker A:Got a little ruffled sock on it.
Speaker A:Still a little rough.
Speaker B:Or like, just like a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Speaker B:It's just like little children legs are in it.
Speaker A:So, so awful.
Speaker A:We're terrible people.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B: on: Speaker B:What was interesting about this was that he was actually tried by secular authorities and not the Inquisition or the.
Speaker B:The church that was doing a lot of the other things.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But more than 50 witnesses came to his trial.
Speaker B:To his trial, and they're like, oh, yeah, he was attacking and killing children in the field, sometimes eating their flesh.
Speaker B:Sometimes we see him in a human state, in state.
Speaker B:And sometimes as a leaf guru, which I just love saying so.
Speaker B:You know, in New Orleans, they have the rigarou.
Speaker B:So that's basically also the kind of the same French duration.
Speaker B:Salute means man and Gabriel means wolf.
Speaker B:I may have that backwards.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I'm not afraid.
Speaker B:I hate French.
Speaker B:But it's also just fun to say he's a leaf guru.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I love the word lycanthropy.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:I do like lycanthropy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B: So in: Speaker B:There were two men, Pierre de Lacourt, a judge, and Jean d', Espognier, a polymath.
Speaker B:I don't know what the fuck a polymath is.
Speaker B:You can look it up.
Speaker B:I'm sure somebody has that.
Speaker B:It sounds like somebody who's, like, polygamous and, like, like really into, like lots of different kinds of math, you know, like, I like geometry and also trigonometry and calculus.
Speaker A:It's just a generic term for a person of wide ranging knowledge or learning.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker A:Okay, so, yeah, that's a useless word, right?
Speaker B:That's a useless.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Okay, so men, women and children and priests were tortured and murdered for their crimes.
Speaker B:Lackers, La Gras, or whatever the fuck his French name was.
Speaker B:His work resulted in the execution of over 600 people over the course of three years.
Speaker B:He was also just a racist fuck and believe that most of the indigenous Basque communities.
Speaker B:So this is like northern, if we got the bask in there.
Speaker B:And also the Jewish community were responsible for the witchcraft and the black magic that were coming all over Europe.
Speaker B:So we have a really good excuse to go after different sects of religions that you guys don't like and burn them.
Speaker B:Shocking.
Speaker B:Never haven't heard of that before.
Speaker B:Also, Longcroft was obsessed with the details surrounding black magic of werewolves.
Speaker B:And during his torture sessions, he would often ask his victims about their carnal encounters with demons.
Speaker B:And shockingly, the more that he tortured them, the more clear and vivid their recollections became.
Speaker A:Weird how that happened.
Speaker B:Weird how that happened.
Speaker B:So he's like, so tell me about how you fucked the wolf.
Speaker B:Did you fuck the wolf a lot?
Speaker B:Was a wolf in the shape of a demon.
Speaker B:So pretty much I'm thinking pervy guy that is getting off on torture.
Speaker B:And when you hear somebody talk about some demon fucking, because he didn't have the Internet to watch that.
Speaker B:So his message were so brutal that eventually they were like, ah, you can't be a judge anymore.
Speaker B:Like, weird.
Speaker B:Done with that.
Speaker B:So they actually took him out.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So, but according to him, any moral slight was worthy of torture.
Speaker B:So these are some of the things that he thought, you know, was like, this is why you should get tortured and burned at the stake.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:To dance indecently, eat excessively, make love diabolically.
Speaker B:Diabolically.
Speaker B:Commit atrocious acts of sodomy.
Speaker B:Blaspheme sk.
Speaker B:Avenge themselves inciduously.
Speaker B:Run.
Speaker B:After all horrible, dirty and crudely unnatural desires.
Speaker B:Keep toads, vipers and lizards and all sorts of poison as precious things.
Speaker B:This is my favorite.
Speaker B:Love passionately a stinking goat.
Speaker B:Caress him lovingly.
Speaker B:Associate with and mate him in a disgusting and some bad fashion.
Speaker B:Are these not the uncontrolled characteristics of an unparalleled likeness of being and an excribable something?
Speaker B:Inconsistency that can be expatiated only through the divine fire that just is placed in hell.
Speaker A:So this guy would have definitely.
Speaker A:We would have, like.
Speaker A:He would have gotten through, like, two check marks, like, y' all are fucked.
Speaker A:You're done.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I didn't want that list.
Speaker B:I would have.
Speaker B:I would have been dead at the first one.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:To dance indecently, to eat excessively.
Speaker B:Dang.
Speaker B:It's talking about, like, has cupcake pancakes now.
Speaker B:And I just found out that I can get IHOP delivered to my house.
Speaker B:And they come with sprinkles in them and additional sprinkles and also, like, cupcake icing you can put on them.
Speaker B:That was my dinner tonight, by the way.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And also, don't make love passionately to a sinking goat.
Speaker B:I mean, but it was like, what.
Speaker A:If you made love?
Speaker A:My head went immediately to Miracle Workers.
Speaker A:Of course.
Speaker A:Season two.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:So if you have.
Speaker A:If you've seen that.
Speaker A:If you have seen it, it's not really that much.
Speaker A:Not a spoiler, but there's a, you know, Mr. Shit Shoveler and Gobbler.
Speaker A:Shit Shoveler.
Speaker B:Oh, Gobbler.
Speaker B:It was a love.
Speaker B:It was Love Maiden.
Speaker B:But it was like, yeah, you.
Speaker B:But you had to passionately the goat.
Speaker B:Like, if you're just like, oh, man.
Speaker B:I guess you just got through the motions.
Speaker B:Going through the motion and just fucking the goat.
Speaker B:You can't caress it either.
Speaker B:Like, no, you just.
Speaker B:Anyway, so that was him.
Speaker B:Then there was also Henry Bouget, so I think he's going to call him Bougie.
Speaker B:So he presided over St. Claude's criminal justice system for 15 years.
Speaker B: During the late: Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:Bougie said it was like 80.
Speaker B:And their records, you look at the records, you're like, yeah, it was probably around 30, you know, but still, he was also just a piece of shit.
Speaker B:And he executed a child because she liked to run around on all fours and act like a wolf.
Speaker B:Yeah, fuck that, dude.
Speaker B:Fuck you.
Speaker B:Fuck you, Bougie.
Speaker B:And in court, they're like, oh, no.
Speaker B:She attacked some kids.
Speaker B:But they're probably like, she was dirty and poor, and so they're probably making.
Speaker A:Fun of her or crawling around, acting like a dog.
Speaker B:Well, you also have a niece who likes to run around and meow like a cat.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I did it, too, as a kid.
Speaker A:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:She probably got made fun of, because I might have.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But in total, over this time period, the French, this is why I focus on.
Speaker B: people of lycanthropy between: Speaker B:So craziness that we don't talk about this as much as the witch trials, but obviously it was huge.
Speaker B:And so, you know, really.
Speaker B:So kind of why I was like, well, this is, like I said, our favorite time in France, you know, where we have our demon nuns.
Speaker B:We have like the regular, you know, Martha's running around getting.
Speaker B:She's getting possessed.
Speaker B:We've got the Protestants and Catholics fighting.
Speaker B:We've got puritanism that's just like, everything's about.
Speaker B:We've got a satanic panic happening, basically.
Speaker B:And there's like sin to monster.
Speaker B:She must turn into a wolf.
Speaker B: And although: Speaker B: witch trials, which began in: Speaker B:It's like dozens to hundreds depending on.
Speaker B:They didn't have really good records then.
Speaker B:So they were basically accusing people of being sorcerers, witches and werewolves.
Speaker B:So they're all tortured.
Speaker B:Most were beheaded and burnt at the stake.
Speaker B:A lot of times the accused ended up being tied with, like, tied to ladders.
Speaker B:And they would put gunpowder around their neck and then.
Speaker B:So then they would put them into a fire.
Speaker B:So they put gunpowder around your neck on a ladder, then shove you into a fire, and then you would explode.
Speaker A:That's absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Another odd fact, like, huh, why is this happening?
Speaker B:Especially in that valet area?
Speaker B:If you were found guilty, you automatically had to forfeit your lands to the vassals and lords.
Speaker B:Shocking.
Speaker B:Weird.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:So weird.
Speaker B:So because this worked so well for them, then also the Holy Ro Empire was like, hey, yeah, okay, you're a witch.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But there are also those who think that, you know, werewolves are just a way to explain psychopathy.
Speaker B:Psychopathy, psychopathy.
Speaker B:And just serial killers in general.
Speaker B:There's a German one where this guy, like, literally was like, running around killing, like a bunch of fucking kids.
Speaker B:And they're like, ah, he's a werewolf.
Speaker B:Not like he's a serial killer.
Speaker B:Like, but.
Speaker B:So that's one thought of it.
Speaker B:There is actually, like, clinical, like, I can't say anymore.
Speaker B:Clinical wolf eat werewolf.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:How about we go that?
Speaker B:Clinical werewolf.
Speaker B:So that's where a person actually thinks they can transform into a werewolf or another predator.
Speaker B: irk Broom who studied this in: Speaker B:So that over 150 year period, and although that was rare, it was enough to be like, hey, maybe this is an actual mental illness, you know, so you can, you know, if you identified as a werewolf back then, like you could have been mentally ill.
Speaker B:But I do think that Sarah Gamble, the one who wrote this episode, I think she had a really great take on all this, even though she was not talking about the werewolf trials.
Speaker B:I think it applies.
Speaker B:So this is quoting directly from the writer of this episode.
Speaker B:So werewolves are a metaphor for repression.
Speaker B:There are so many human impulses that for whatever cultural reason or religious reason, we repress.
Speaker B:And I think the psychological act of repressing something is what twists it and makes it dangerous over time because the things you repress never go away.
Speaker B:I think one of the people reasons people love werewolves is because they say something very clear, that we all understand the fear that we're all going to snap, which is like pretty deep.
Speaker B:And also I think, you know, why it makes sense kind of like beyond just, you know, I'm a witch, you know, accusing someone being a witch, but also accusing somebody of being a werewolf is, it's an animal, it's an animal state.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:This, this explains why you lost your control and you ate, you know, you had a bucket of children legs.
Speaker B:Maybe not that, but you know, it's really just you lost your shit.
Speaker B:And it's just also especially like in a time where, you know, puritanical nonsense is like raining and being like, you have to be, have to repress all this.
Speaker B:You know, your, your natural desire is to eat, to dance, to fuck a goat, whatever your natural desire is.
Speaker B:But you end up repressing this like enough eventually.
Speaker B:Like as, as humans, like, you know, we're all kind of have that fear that what if I let loose.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And I think we're going to see that a lot in this episode, which is why I wanted to bring this up at the front too.
Speaker B:Just that idea of like what ends up happening, that theme of trying to hold things back and then, you know, we'll talk about what happens.
Speaker B:So that is the real world trials.
Speaker B:There is a ton more information on this.
Speaker B:There's so many good stories.
Speaker B:I'm going to link a bunch of them in the show notes, but highly.
Speaker B:I also think what's the name of their podcast?
Speaker B:I'll like all of their podcasts in here too, because I can't remember their name right now.
Speaker B:They did a really great like two or three parter episode on this a long time ago.
Speaker B:So I Love the werewolf trials.
Speaker B:I don't understand why we don't talk about them as much.
Speaker B:I think they're really cool.
Speaker A:Not like a, like it's a cool, like interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, I don't enjoy watching, you know, people getting accused and blown up on a ladder.
Speaker A:But that seems.
Speaker A:Well, maybe it depends who it is, but you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So werewolf trials.
Speaker B:All right, so where we're at, just remind everybody and Diana we're going back to.
Speaker B:They're going to go talk to Maddie.
Speaker A:Super excited.
Speaker A:Dean is so stoked that we're talking about werewolves.
Speaker B:Well, he's also stoked that he knows how to kill them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:He's like, we don't have, like we don't have to do any research.
Speaker B:We know what.
Speaker A:We've got our silver bullets ready and Emma.
Speaker A:But he thinks werewolves are badass.
Speaker A:He basically says, anyway, so they show up as quote, unquote detectives to go visit.
Speaker B:Who.
Speaker B:Did you catch that?
Speaker B:Did you catch their names?
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:It's how I wrote it.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Landon and Dante.
Speaker B:Landis and Dante.
Speaker B:Do you know why that's.
Speaker B:Do you know why those names are good?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:The blackness on your face is.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So John Landis directed American Werewolf in London.
Speaker B:And Joe Dante directed the Howling.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:I wrote him down because I knew it would be some reference and I forgot to look him back up.
Speaker A:So they're visiting.
Speaker A:Madison is her name.
Speaker A:The girl that was at the office party, the girl that found her boss dead.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:And they say they're detectives, of course.
Speaker A:So she's has her neighbor Glenn, who's real fucking weird, is there not that's rude, very awkward, nerdy gentleman.
Speaker B:No, he's fucking weird.
Speaker A:I don't like him in a.
Speaker A:In a very.
Speaker A:In a church T shirt, is there?
Speaker A:And he leaves.
Speaker A:That's her neighbor Glenn.
Speaker A:So she basically explains that she worked for her boss Nate for two years, but basically after a couple of scotches, he, quote, hit on anyone in a five mile radius.
Speaker A:And there's a long pause as Sam looks at Dean at this moment.
Speaker B:Yeah, but you know, Dean, you're a douchey, but at least you're not, you know, hitting on your employee.
Speaker A:Yeah, but so they, you know, Dean asked her about any enemies that Nate might have had and she's, you know, not really him.
Speaker A:But she talks, does talk about her ex, Kurt Mueller, and that apparently the ex Kurt was his emo boy that I written down.
Speaker A:So he's convinced that Madison was hooking up with Nate and there was actually to the point that he came into the office and there was an office altercation, which is fucking bonkers.
Speaker A:Like, that kind of shit.
Speaker A:Like, I don't understand how people do that stuff.
Speaker A:But anyways, there's literally an altercation in the office between the two of them.
Speaker A:So they're like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:All right, the ex is a werewolf.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:So they cut out to go look.
Speaker B:For also just a Madison comment on this, too.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So she clearly cannot understand that her creepy neighbor Glenn wants to bone her.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because it's completely obvious.
Speaker B:Like, oh, he's sweet.
Speaker B:I'm like, no, honey, he wants to fuck you.
Speaker B:That's why he's over here.
Speaker B:Your boss is a dick.
Speaker B:This is not funny.
Speaker B:Like, what he's doing to you.
Speaker B:And at least, like, you recognize that your email boyfriend is a problem.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So she's alone in her kitchen.
Speaker A:She has a dog barking outside and sees Kurt out the window, watching her through the window, but then he disappears.
Speaker A:So they're like, the show is actually really setting us up to believe that Kurt is this werewolf.
Speaker A:There was the dogs by the trash cans.
Speaker A:Then we saw him by her car.
Speaker A:Now there's a dog barking outside, and she sees Kurt watching her outside.
Speaker A:So they've really, like, set that tone.
Speaker A:So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker A:We cut to a high rise apartment at night, and of course, Sam and Dean do like they do and break into fucking Kurt's place.
Speaker A:So that would be an E. Like they do into Kurt's place, but it looks pretty normal overall.
Speaker A:But there's something.
Speaker A:You can tell.
Speaker A:There's, like, the weird watery cutaway from another camera angle.
Speaker A:And they are.
Speaker A:They check the fridge.
Speaker A:They're about to check the freezer for hearts.
Speaker A:They want to see if they're storing the hearts there.
Speaker A:But then they hear a noise on the balcony.
Speaker A:So they got side.
Speaker A:And you see, like, these crazy claw marks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also the noise outside they heard were trash cans.
Speaker B:And so I have a theory that at this point, I'm like, no, this is not werewolves.
Speaker B:This is trash pandas.
Speaker B:You have way more trash pandas that are just like.
Speaker A:They're just extreme trash pandas.
Speaker B:Dream trash pandas.
Speaker B:And so they're just.
Speaker B:Were raccoons that are.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's what I wish.
Speaker B:Like, they turned it to.
Speaker B:That's my.
Speaker A:That's my.
Speaker A:Did you read a book that had.
Speaker A:Were raccoons?
Speaker B:God damn it.
Speaker B:I did read a book that had shapeshifters, and one of them was a trash panda.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker A:I downloaded, I swear.
Speaker A:And I can't find it.
Speaker A:Anyways, all right, so there's these crazy big gouges in this concrete balcony.
Speaker A:Look like claws of something like sliding down on almost from the balcony.
Speaker A:So anyways, on the ground we see a cop strolling around through this alley below the building.
Speaker A:And here's a noise in the alley.
Speaker A:And of course he goes to look at what it is.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden you see him get attacked by something.
Speaker A:You don't see what.
Speaker A:And he shoots one.
Speaker A:One round.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam and Dean hear the gunshot and run downstairs to find the cop's body.
Speaker B:Yeah, we also heard it because I was like, riff, Riff, bang.
Speaker B:And then he got shot.
Speaker A:So at this point they're like, well, this is up.
Speaker A:We better go find Madison.
Speaker A:They think that emo boy just killed this cop and is Kurt.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Is now going to go away?
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm not wrong.
Speaker A:You saw it too, right?
Speaker A:You see it.
Speaker A:Or at least now I'm saying.
Speaker A:Okay, so she.
Speaker A:So they get.
Speaker A:And of course as soon as they get over there, good old Glenn's checking in on why they're there.
Speaker A:So being a creeper like he is.
Speaker A:So she does tell them that Kurt was watching her through the window.
Speaker A:And so they figure out like, one of us should stay with you.
Speaker A:And they go back and forth, but.
Speaker A:And do a game of rock paper scissors that Sam easily wins because apparently Dean only ever picked scissors.
Speaker A:Which is a terrible strategy for rock paper scissors, by the way.
Speaker B:But Dean doesn't learn.
Speaker B:Always, always with a scissors.
Speaker B:Dean and Dean.
Speaker A:So Sam gets to stay with Madison and then Dean is off to go check out the body shop that Kurt owned.
Speaker B:Ran, whatever worked at I don't know, something.
Speaker A:Yeah, and there's a real awkward scene with Madison, like offering for Sam to sit on the couch so it's more comfortable.
Speaker A:And he's like, no, I'm just gonna sit at this table real awkwardly.
Speaker A:So she dumps it.
Speaker A:Her underwear, laundry out on the table in front of.
Speaker B:What the fuck?
Speaker B:Madison?
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:Also, your underwear is very small.
Speaker B:And so like, I'm sorry, like if you.
Speaker B:If any lady.
Speaker B:And for the most part women, I mean, tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker B:Even if we do have sexy underwear that's in our laundry basket, there's also going to be a shit ton of non sexy underwear that comes popping out of that.
Speaker B:Like probably.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I. I am.
Speaker A:I mean, you attack about your sex.
Speaker A:No, I wear thongs.
Speaker A:That's just my thing.
Speaker A:So a lot of my underwear are small, but they're not necessarily sexy.
Speaker B:So yeah, okay.
Speaker B:I have a big ass mother.
Speaker B:My underwear is small, but.
Speaker A:But I definitely have the not sexy ones.
Speaker A:And I was like making sure I move the laundry basket before I have the guests come over because I don't want them looking at my underwear.
Speaker A:Like, I'm not gonna dump that out.
Speaker A:Out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No woman is going to jump out her entire like underwear and they're not.
Speaker A:All going to be the silky silkies.
Speaker A:That's no way on earth that's happening.
Speaker B:No, your period panties are going to show up in there.
Speaker A:So like, like that is not how I would ever flirt with a dude at my place.
Speaker A:Like ever.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:It's all very awkward and I'm just like, I don't know, Maddie, you've got some weird ideas.
Speaker A:But so anyway, so Sam quickly moves to the sofa from that point, but Dean calls and Kurt hasn't been at work for a while and is.
Speaker A:And Dean is really into teasing Sam about Madison because he knows Sam's place,.
Speaker B:Which I thought was a very a replay of the Meg thing.
Speaker B:So Dean's just like, I'm in a car.
Speaker B:Why don't you be a dog, Sam?
Speaker B:Be a dog.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Many house.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So Sam ends up getting sucked into watching a show with Madison.
Speaker A:Go for it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I went hard on this one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:So we know they're watching a soap opera.
Speaker B:Opera.
Speaker A:Yeah, I wrote soap opera.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And I was like, okay, they're watching and then they go.
Speaker B:So at the end I was like, so Kendall married Ethan father just to get back in him.
Speaker B:So I was.
Speaker B:Because at first I thought it was going to be Days of our Lives because Jensen Ackles on Days of our Lives.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But so Kendall and Ethan, that's all my children.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B: played Kendall up until like: Speaker B:But so then to go really hard on this.
Speaker B:So Ethan was played by Dan James Scott, who also played EJ Demara on Days of Our Lives.
Speaker B: o Jensen played Eric Brady in: Speaker B:Now according to so Opera Digest, both characters are coming back as rivals.
Speaker B:And that is a 6 degree of separations to Jensen Ackles on Days of our Lives.
Speaker B:And this episode of All My Children.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker B:I don't know how I made that work.
Speaker B:I made that math work.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's what I do lot.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker B:But I made it happen.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So, yeah, they get really into it.
Speaker A:And so Sam starts doing his thing, like, where he talks about the feels, because that's what Sam does.
Speaker A:So he's asking Madison about how, like, why was she with Kurt and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And she basically does the.
Speaker A:You know, the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:Not to negate or to put down this, but that she was this Very common.
Speaker A:She was too insecure to leave.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also, dude, it's like, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:No matter what girl you're dating, if she's dating an abusive guy, don't ask her why.
Speaker B:Like, that's fucked up.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, there's a lot of reasons women get into these relationships.
Speaker B:Like, fuck off, Sam.
Speaker A:But so.
Speaker A:And then she explains that after she got mugged, she took control of her life and dumped.
Speaker A:Dumped Kurt.
Speaker A:And, like, all this stuff kind of just like, started her life started, just, like, kept getting going better in general because she just took control of things, and it was an overall positive.
Speaker A:And, you know, and there's a laugh about how, like, something so bad happening to you could be a positive.
Speaker A:And Sam calls her unusual and impressive, so you can tell he's like, oh, it's not just that she's pretty.
Speaker A:She's also special.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I appreciate you.
Speaker B:It's not just, you know, this girl that I met a day ago.
Speaker B:It's not just that you're hot.
Speaker B:It's your insides.
Speaker B:I'm attracted to your.
Speaker B:I'm attracted to your insides.
Speaker B:But also, both of us are really terrible at flirting, and it's just fucking awkward.
Speaker B:And it's like, oh, man, I can't believe that ever gets about.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean of calls, he's at a strip club tipping a dancer, watching Kurt.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Tipping a dancer a dollar.
Speaker B:You fucking do.
Speaker B:She, like, tips that girl more than a dollar.
Speaker B:It's also weird.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:They only show, like, her feet.
Speaker B:I noticed that, too.
Speaker A:I was like, that's hilarious.
Speaker A:All I can show is the shoes.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Like, do you think, like, was it just, like, somebody like, a girl who worked on set and they're like, probably.
Speaker B:We don't.
Speaker B:We don't want to put an actual.
Speaker B:They just put these shoes on for a man.
Speaker B:They just put the shoes on a man with good calves.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:That would be fantastic.
Speaker A:Shave your legs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or who's.
Speaker A:Who's, like, the swimmer in the bunch or the cyclists?
Speaker A:Both of those.
Speaker A:And some are frequently leg shavers, too, in the male group.
Speaker A:But anyways.
Speaker A:All right, so Madison goes to bed and tries To.
Speaker A:It's like, that's more awkward flirting.
Speaker A:Leaves the door cracked while Sam stays up to watch tv.
Speaker A:He's protecting her, Right.
Speaker A:Well, Dean is hanging out at Kurt's place, like right outside of it with a gun.
Speaker A:Because he's like, all right, I'm going to go in there and get him.
Speaker A:Or I'm just going for them to happen.
Speaker A:And so he runs up to the apartment and when he hears glass break.
Speaker A:And instead of it being Kurt, that's the werewolf.
Speaker A:There's a woman standing over Kurt.
Speaker A:And Kurt is dead.
Speaker A:And this woman is fucking Madison.
Speaker A:Madison is the werewolf.
Speaker A:Holy shit.
Speaker A:And she knocks Dean down, knocks him out.
Speaker A:She's got like crazy bright blue eyes and fangs.
Speaker A:And she escapes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So a couple things.
Speaker B:Did you notice what was playing?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:It was the Stooges song.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:How did I not notice that?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But there was a Stooges on playing.
Speaker B:But I also wanted to get your.
Speaker A:Take for your dog.
Speaker B:It was not.
Speaker B:Which would have been a really great like if they I want to be your dog was playing would have been fantastic.
Speaker B:But I forget.
Speaker B:I forget which song it was.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I dropped the ball.
Speaker A:I was so shocked at Madison being the werewolf.
Speaker B:Well, so what did you think about their take on the werewolf?
Speaker A:I mean, it was moderately better than the vampire.
Speaker A:I'm not like.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It wasn't my jam.
Speaker A:Like, I may I. I'm.
Speaker A:I like Mooney, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:If I'm going to talk about my.
Speaker A:My lycanthropes.
Speaker A:So I want my.
Speaker A:I like, like go all in.
Speaker A:It's got to be like the fucking wolf monster, man.
Speaker A:Like, that's what I expect.
Speaker A:I want my, you know, go full Professor Lupin with it or whatever you need to do.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:She just kind of.
Speaker A:She kind of looked like a vampire from Buffy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, you're not wrong.
Speaker B:And you know, from what I read, a lot of this was a practical decision.
Speaker B:It was one of the reasons that Kripke had said he kind want to have werewolves at all before this.
Speaker B:Just because, like putting somebody into the wolf.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's expensive.
Speaker B:It's hard to get the, you know, the furry thing.
Speaker B:And like, I mean, gray, like Buffy.
Speaker B:Like, we look at like werewolves throughout TV because you end up with like the really shitty Oz, like, which was just like terrible.
Speaker B:Like, I've seen so many terrible werewolves.
Speaker B:And so unless like you're cgi a wolf in.
Speaker B:I don't Know, it's an interesting choice.
Speaker B:Like, so, I mean, we get to see a little bit more as she's, like, transforming later, but.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But I didn't think that was very.
Speaker A:It felt like that was a little incongruent with even what they showed here.
Speaker A:Like, it didn't really seem.
Speaker A:I don't know, like, it was like,.
Speaker B:Why is there no hair?
Speaker B:Like, that's like.
Speaker B:I don't get that you're a werewolf.
Speaker A:You're like a monster thing.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Your nails are long and your face looks scary.
Speaker A:That's what I get.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B:And apparently maybe you howl and you play in garbage.
Speaker B:Like, you know that cats bark occasionally.
Speaker B:You bark like, you know, like.
Speaker B:But there was no.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:There's nothing in this.
Speaker B:It wasn't as werewolf.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not wolfie at all to me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I was disappointed with that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:So she's been stabbed and she runs off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Dean.
Speaker A:Dean calls Sam as soon as he wakes up.
Speaker A:And he's like, the.
Speaker A:Where you.
Speaker A:She was just here.
Speaker A:She's a werewolf.
Speaker A:I should.
Speaker A:Or left.
Speaker A:Left, like a while ago.
Speaker A:Sam's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker A:I've been here all night.
Speaker A:And she's been in bed.
Speaker A:And Sam's like.
Speaker A:Or Dean's like, no, go check.
Speaker A:I caught her arm.
Speaker A:And he goes in there and of course, bump bum.
Speaker A:Now, she'd gone to bed in clothes, but now she's naked in her sheets and she has this cut on her arm from fighting with Dean.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But she seems super fucking confused.
Speaker A:She's like, why am I naked?
Speaker A:Where did this cut come from?
Speaker A:The fuck is going on?
Speaker A:So Sam locks her in the apartment and points again at her.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So really, really creepy.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not terrifying her at all.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Especially for someone who's confused.
Speaker B:Has clearly just gotten out of abusive relationship.
Speaker B:Now she has woken up with tight naked.
Speaker B:Her mind missing.
Speaker B:And then now there's a man who's locking the door and tying her to a chair.
Speaker B:Chair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's fucked up.
Speaker A:So she thinks that Sam is crazy and she insists that she's not a fucking werewolf because they don't exist.
Speaker A:And that's stupid, basically.
Speaker A:So she doesn't believe any of this shit.
Speaker A:And, like, it's kind of an.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:And this is also where she obviously.
Speaker A:Obviously at this point, she's like, oh, you're not really detectives either.
Speaker B:Ding, ding, ding.
Speaker A:Winner.
Speaker A:And so she thinks that Sam's like, wait, she might really not know that this is what she is.
Speaker A:And it's a monster that doesn't know that it wants to.
Speaker A:To kill things.
Speaker A:It's like this whole thing.
Speaker A:He's kind of like freaked out.
Speaker A:I think I get the impression that Sam is freaked out at this point when he's like, processing this.
Speaker A:He's like, she really doesn't fucking know that she's this thing, but she obviously is.
Speaker A:So his intent is that he wants to try to kill the wolf that turned her to see if that undoes it.
Speaker A:Because that's one their theories.
Speaker A:It was their dad's theory.
Speaker A:It was Bobby's theory.
Speaker A:This is the only theory they had.
Speaker B:Not Bobby's theory.
Speaker A:This dad's.
Speaker A:Bobby did too.
Speaker A:Later.
Speaker B:They called Bobby later, tells them they're morons or idiots.
Speaker B:He's like, you're fucking idiots.
Speaker B:That's ridiculous.
Speaker A:But yeah, but John had the theory that this would be the only thing that you could possibly undo Lycanthropy.
Speaker A:I just want to say that as much as I can.
Speaker A:So she got mugged a month ago.
Speaker A:And Sam made a guess that she was bitten during her mugging.
Speaker A:And they see this bite mark on the back the of neck for neck.
Speaker A:And yeah, it's this creepy little bite mark.
Speaker A:That was it.
Speaker A:So they're.
Speaker A:Sam's like, it, let's go find the original werewolf to save her.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, I'll stay here.
Speaker A:I'll kill her if she turns Dean, you go wolf hunting.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, and then we cut to a blonde sex worker, obviously like cliche.
Speaker B:Walking in a fur vest though, which I thought was an interesting choice.
Speaker A:It's like somebody.
Speaker A:It's like somebody went to like the upscale costume shop to buy a hooker costume.
Speaker B:I was like, so is this like where you spent your wolfer money on.
Speaker B:Like, we're just gonna put it all on the sex worker.
Speaker B:Like, okay, cool.
Speaker B:Like, we can't afford to turn you into wolf, but I can buy this fake fur for her.
Speaker A:So as.
Speaker A:As we see this happening and you can tell she's being this.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:And I'm just.
Speaker A:I don't mean this is an offensive term.
Speaker A:It's just like how they played out in the show.
Speaker A:This hooker walking, it's.
Speaker A:We see Madison.
Speaker A:We cut back to Madison and she's turning and she breaks free.
Speaker A:And so Sam has to pull the gun.
Speaker A:Then we cut to the hooker being chased.
Speaker A:And then Sam locks Madison in the closet.
Speaker A:And then Dean, right when the werewolf is attacking the hooker, he's able to shoot it, but it's the neighbor, Glenn.
Speaker A:Creepy fucking Glenn.
Speaker B:Creepy Glenn.
Speaker B:Oh, no, see that one coming?
Speaker A:As he's bleeding out, he turns back into a human.
Speaker A:And he didn't fucking know what he was either.
Speaker A:Yeah, he was just a creepy neighbor who happened to be a werewolf.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But I think this also goes into that repression idea.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So Maddie's, you know, her victims have been people that have been, you know, her hurting her.
Speaker B:So that's where her subconscious is going.
Speaker B:And Glenn's is going into, I am a serial killer and I'm killing sex workers.
Speaker A:So he attacks the girl that he wanted to fuck.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think if he go there,.
Speaker A:That gets real creepy.
Speaker A:Ew.
Speaker B:Well, it's also goes back to, you know, if you don't.
Speaker B:You said Sarah was the writer and she's talking in her mind.
Speaker B:The metaphor for the wolf is we're repressing our desires.
Speaker B:And it could also just be he was just a loser and he couldn't bone chicks as he's this weird, creepy dude.
Speaker B:So he's going after random.
Speaker B:And interestingly enough, you know, we like going after the easy targets.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Which is.
Speaker B:And if you think about, you know, when I was talking earlier about the idea of the werewolves going after, you know, the trials being something that was a way to explain away serial killers at the time, because serial killers and something we really thought about until, like, the 70s.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:Like you had Jack the Ripper, but there wasn't like.
Speaker B:And there were obviously people who were doing this before.
Speaker B:It's just not something that really was.
Speaker B:Was.
Speaker B:I think a lot of it just had to do with how, you know, police work was done and people tracking,.
Speaker A:Communicating and documenting it all and connecting it all.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But this also ties in, you know, he's basically a serial killer.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Which is what the cops are looking for.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't want to give serial killers, like, wolf powers now on top of all the other shit they have, but I think that.
Speaker B:I think it's an interesting parallel.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:Weird.
Speaker A:Okay, well, we cut back to the.
Speaker A:The apartment, and Sam opens the closet door, turns on light, and Madison wakes up normal again.
Speaker A:And you can see though inside the door is, like insanely scratched up.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker A:She scratched his fucking face.
Speaker A:And like, all this.
Speaker A:And he promises that she'll never see him again.
Speaker A:Cause that was one of the things he had promised her when she was tied up.
Speaker A:And so she looks around the.
Speaker A:She's like.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He walks away.
Speaker A:Sam leaves.
Speaker A:And she's like, just Looking around and seeing all the damage she did in the closet that she doesn't remember doing.
Speaker A:It was kind of intense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Can you also imagine me on the other side of that door and hearing nails scrape across that shit for, like, all night long?
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, oh, God.
Speaker B:Like, I really hate nails on chalkboard.
Speaker B:Like, it's one of the Sounds like I do.
Speaker A:Not really.
Speaker A:It bothers you that much if I.
Speaker B:Heard, like, four hours of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, honestly, the one that really gets me more is the sound of cotton inside of medicine filled, like, medicine jars.
Speaker B:That's the one that really gets me because it makes a weird squeaky sound.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:But, yeah, also, like.
Speaker B:But they did like her.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, these nails are fucking powerful, too.
Speaker B:Like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:All that damage.
Speaker A:All that drywall.
Speaker A:Man, she could get a fucking job doing that shit.
Speaker A:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker B:Werewolves need jobs, too.
Speaker A:There's a construction, like, staff shortage right now.
Speaker A:Don't you know?
Speaker A:Anyways, I also have a lot of.
Speaker B:Papers that need shredded.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:I mean, it's important work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, the kitty sits in my box of the stuff that needs to be shredded.
Speaker B:And I'm like, come on, girl.
Speaker B:Whip out those claws.
Speaker B:Like, do some Madison.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So Dean, at this point, finally acknowledges.
Speaker A:They're back in the car.
Speaker A:They're sitting in baby.
Speaker A:Out front of the front of the apartment.
Speaker A:This is a big thing, I think, for Dean because he actually acknowledges that it's sad that Glenn didn't know what he was.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:And that, you know, we've always.
Speaker A:You know, the whole.
Speaker A:Like, all along it's been.
Speaker A:Dean's like, fuck it, you're evil.
Speaker A:You're evil, you die.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter if you're most evil, not evil.
Speaker A:No matter if you don't know you're fucking evil.
Speaker A:Like, he's like, no, this was actually kind of sad.
Speaker A:That was a big deal.
Speaker A:And they're kind of wondering why Glenn didn't try to kill her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you lose all sympathy for Dean when he says that she.
Speaker B:Maybe he was looking for some hot breeding.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Glenn could also.
Speaker B:We know Glenn could have just fucked a wolf because apparently, like, that's, you know, really cool, too.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:I mean, we ain't Glenn.
Speaker A:So then of course, Dean's hinting around at what Sam and Dean or Sam and Madison may have done, but that Sam's like, no, she thinks I'm a lunatic.
Speaker A:Then all of a sudden, she knocks on the window and Says what we've said on this show and I've said many times, times, is that for being on a stakeout, this car is a big conspicuous.
Speaker A:Fucking true.
Speaker B:Very fucking true.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, yeah, we're totally fucking lurking to see if you turn, turn tonight.
Speaker A:We're hanging around.
Speaker A:She's like, well, that's dumb.
Speaker A:Just come inside then, because I'm starting to believe you.
Speaker A:Because I'm processing and I'm trying to.
Speaker A:And she's really trying to process what she might have done because now if she believes them, this means.
Speaker A:This would be like.
Speaker A:Not to be dramatic, but like you or I waking up one day and then finding out that every night we went out and killed a motherfucker.
Speaker A:And like, having to, like, deal with that.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker A:That's really upsetting.
Speaker A:You're laughing at me.
Speaker A:Liz is famous.
Speaker B:I'm like, that's upsetting.
Speaker A:That'd be really upsetting to know that you, like, like unknowingly kill people.
Speaker A:That's upsetting.
Speaker A:So, I mean, she was killed.
Speaker B:She was killing her enemies.
Speaker A:So, I mean, Liz like it.
Speaker A:They deserved it.
Speaker A:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:But no, it's a.
Speaker A:It's an ethical and deep ethical dilemma that she's facing at this point as she's processing that the scariest thing is just that you're out doing things that you don't know you're doing at all.
Speaker A:So anyways, so Dean, they're just trying to like, sitting around and while they're just watching her for the night to make sure she doesn't turn again.
Speaker A:And the next morning, sun comes up.
Speaker A:And it works.
Speaker B:Worked.
Speaker A:She did not turn.
Speaker A:And everybody's happy.
Speaker A:And Madison gives Sam a real friendly hug.
Speaker A:So Dean heads to the hotel to watch Pay Per View.
Speaker A:Like he does.
Speaker B:Sexy Asian beauties or Asian sexy beauty sex?
Speaker B:Asian.
Speaker B:I forget which one.
Speaker A:It is something.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I mean, it's also just like the clear third wheel.
Speaker A:Super awkward.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He needed.
Speaker A:He needed to go.
Speaker A:So now we've got.
Speaker A:Got Sam and Madison alone and they're.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker B:And then they do it.
Speaker A:They do it.
Speaker B:They do it.
Speaker A:They're making out.
Speaker A:They're fucking.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I'm like, when did somebody light a fire in the fireplace?
Speaker A:I don't fucking know.
Speaker B:I did wonder that too.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:So at some point, like, they're like, we're going to make out against this wall.
Speaker B:Like, heavenly.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:What would be really lovely right now is if we had a Fire.
Speaker B:Also, do you enjoy all of my sex fish faces?
Speaker B:And so there's a lot of sex faces that are happening and a lot of, like, intense kissing.
Speaker B:And is this, like, I do know.
Speaker A:Oh, go ahead.
Speaker B:I'll say.
Speaker B:From a production standpoint, they waited to film this until the end so that they could get to know each other better.
Speaker B:And they also, like, lockdown the set.
Speaker B:So I think, you know, well done on your part, Kim.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was helpful.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:So what's bizarre, though, is.
Speaker A:So this set, this started at dawn when Dean was leaving because they were excited because they.
Speaker A:She didn't turn overnight, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I guess they didn't really sleep the night before, but it's all of a sudden nighttime.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They fucked all day.
Speaker B:That's what they did.
Speaker B:They fucked all day and then they fell asleep in all of her white bedding.
Speaker B:Why do you have so much white bedding?
Speaker B:That is so stressful.
Speaker B:I'm just like.
Speaker B:As much as I love, like a glorious, like, white sheets, that's only for hotels because some other person is responsible for cleaning all my makeup up off those pillows when I pass out there.
Speaker B:And anything else that like, especially you are fucking all day in all those.
Speaker A:Good thing about white sheets, you can bleach them.
Speaker A:But anyway, so I was just like, wait a minute.
Speaker A:Now it's nighttime.
Speaker A:I'm very confused.
Speaker A:That sounds exhausting.
Speaker A:Anyways, so it's nighttime.
Speaker A:It's full moon.
Speaker A:Sam wakes up and she's not in the bed.
Speaker A:She's turned and she's by the window.
Speaker A:And he sees her jump out of the window.
Speaker A:And then it's dawn again, pretty much.
Speaker B:I don't know where my mind was going.
Speaker B:My note says Maddie is back to being a sex monster.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Well, anyway, so Sam goes and gets Dean like he does.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I misheard the Bobby thing, but either way.
Speaker A:So they're like.
Speaker A:Well, they're trying to like, troubleshoot what might be like, does she have to be asleep?
Speaker A:Or like, what's going on?
Speaker A:Is that why she didn't turn the night before?
Speaker A:Sam still just totally convinced they have to find a way to undo it.
Speaker A:This is not, not, not how it needs to go.
Speaker A:He imagined killing her because Sam's really like.
Speaker A:It's like me.
Speaker A:If you think there's like, what she was saying we have to kill her because there's a little bit of evil in her.
Speaker A:Her.
Speaker A:Wouldn't I fall in the same category?
Speaker A:Because there's evil in me too.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker B:And I'm really tired of that analogy.
Speaker A:I am too.
Speaker A:But also even he kind of had a point.
Speaker A:I felt bad for him.
Speaker A:But anyways, so we've done this before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We play this game.
Speaker A:So Madison calls Sam.
Speaker A:She's crying.
Speaker A:She don't know where the fuck she is.
Speaker A:They get her back to her place.
Speaker A:She doesn't remember where she was, what she didn't.
Speaker A:She.
Speaker A:All she's afraid of, that she might have killed somebody.
Speaker A:And then Dean has to tell her the truth at this point, that.
Speaker A:Look, we've.
Speaker A:We've scoured every source.
Speaker A:There's no cure, there's nothing we can do.
Speaker A:And Sam really doesn't want to admit it, but Madison's like, no, I can't live like this.
Speaker A:Like not knowing what I'm doing.
Speaker A:I don't want to hurt anybody.
Speaker A:And she asked Sam to kill her.
Speaker A:And this is where I'm like, oh, bug, we're going there.
Speaker A:Which is also ironic because think about how many times Sam has asked Dean to kill him.
Speaker A:Him.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So she doesn't want to.
Speaker A:She doesn't want to die, but she can't live.
Speaker A:And this is her way of being.
Speaker A:The only way for her to be saved is for him to kill her.
Speaker A:Is that's what she says.
Speaker A:Dean takes the gun because he's like, no, this, we're not doing that.
Speaker A:And they walk away.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And Sam's crying.
Speaker A:Dean offers to do it for him, but Sam's like no, I have to do it.
Speaker A:She asked me to do it.
Speaker A:And so he takes the gun and tells Dean to wait for him.
Speaker A:And Dean.
Speaker A:We see a scene of Dean crying.
Speaker B:No, we see a single man tear.
Speaker B:Dean is not crying.
Speaker B:Single man tear, Dean.
Speaker B:Dean cannot cry.
Speaker B:He can only have one tear.
Speaker A:Well, Dean has his single man tear.
Speaker A:That shows that he has some level of emotion.
Speaker A:And then you hear a gunshot and that's it.
Speaker B:And it ends.
Speaker B:And as much as like I am cynical.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I saw there was something in my eye when this ended.
Speaker B:Like because it was pretty really intense.
Speaker A:Sad ending because like usually because you've got like you've usually you've got some level of either the.
Speaker A:Well, it was a bad guy, it was a monster.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:Might have been redeemable, but probably not.
Speaker A:There was no other choice.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That's usually how it's going on these.
Speaker A:Or you've got, you know, it was self defense.
Speaker A:Like there was the only option.
Speaker A:But something like that.
Speaker A:You don't usually have the character or it was some self sacrifice or something.
Speaker A:And it was to an extent here, but putting that on Sam, in addition to Madison, who was a fairly likable character when she wasn't wolfie without that she was ever wolfie because they sucked at that part.
Speaker A:But when she wasn't being monster y, you know, like she was a likable enough character other than her shitty flirtation.
Speaker A:And like, it was just a really, like.
Speaker A:I don't know, it was just like a dark feeling.
Speaker A:Like Sam, we all know Sam's got all his fucking issues and he finally hooks up with a chick and then now he had to fudgeing killer after he's begging his brother to kill him.
Speaker A:There's like layers of emotion.
Speaker A:Emotional fucked upness with this episode.
Speaker B:I also think it's a lazy solution.
Speaker B:Like, she's clearly not okay.
Speaker B:This only happens.
Speaker B:They did this on Buffy.
Speaker B:They just locked odds and put him supposedly, didn't they?
Speaker A:They alluded to that at one point.
Speaker B:And she's like, well, she could get out.
Speaker B:Well, so what?
Speaker B:Like, so she gets out every once in a while and munches on something.
Speaker B:Big deal.
Speaker B:But I mean, really, to me, it's like, you know, she normally, like during the day.
Speaker B:Hey, she's not a monster.
Speaker B:She only like.
Speaker B:You also kind of wondering, like the once a month thing is this mooding to like female shit.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But it's so like, you know, hey, like once a month she's gonna, you know, get a lot of PMS that goes through her, as I think Willow said.
Speaker B:And Buffy, like once a month, I'm not fun to be around, you know.
Speaker B:But you could have found a solution.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know, like, I don't think think this was the appropriate solution.
Speaker B:Like, it just.
Speaker B:It seems bizarre to me.
Speaker B:But this is the way that you went.
Speaker B:If you knew that most of the time she was normal and then she had a couple of days a month where she turned into a werewolf.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, that is obviously not the majority of how she spends her time.
Speaker A:If it's night, nighttime, a couple days a month, as opposed to every other hour of her life.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's pretty broad.
Speaker B:I think it's up.
Speaker B:Like, it's like, hey, man, like, figure something out.
Speaker A:You just turned me on this.
Speaker A:Because I was like, that's what they had to do.
Speaker B:It's so sad.
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:Because a part of me was like, well, maybe they could have found a way.
Speaker A:But still, I get it now.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, you're right.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker A:Bullshit.
Speaker A:Madison didn't have to die.
Speaker A:Hashtag.
Speaker B:Hashtag save Maddie.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:It's good for.
Speaker B:It's good for a storyline.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It's really emotional.
Speaker B:It drives a lot of things home.
Speaker B:But, I mean, in the end, you know, if this.
Speaker B:If it was not Madison and if it was Sam, would Dean not just lock him up like, a couple of days of the month?
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:I think it's lazy.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So, damn, you just changed my whole world on that.
Speaker A:I don't know how I feel about it, because I was all, like, sweet.
Speaker B:And sad and had to be done.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker B:I mean, honestly, for the most time, I'm never going to be killed a monster because I think, especially when they're monsters like this and they're very complex and they're not evil 100% of the time, it's.
Speaker B:To me, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:Like, I think we can come up.
Speaker A:With another solution, but even redemption?
Speaker A:Is that what you're saying?
Speaker B:I mean, I just don't think in punishing somebody for having.
Speaker B:Especially if you think about the idea of this is, you know, werewolves are something.
Speaker B:You're saying this is what happens and we can't repress our emotions.
Speaker B:There are lots of times that I can't repress my.
Speaker B:Repress my emotions, although I shove them down inside and feed them with liquor for the most part, but occasionally I drink too much liquor and they come out and, you know, but you shouldn't kill me just because I was unable to stop whatever carnal urges I had, you know, or violent or not saying I can run around killing somebody when my emotions come out, but at the same time, like, you know,.
Speaker A:Well, shit, this is emotional.
Speaker A:Emotional episode.
Speaker A:Regardless.
Speaker B:Yeah, next week, I promise it'll be a fun episode.
Speaker B:I'm excited about next week, so.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we'll get to have a happier ending next time, I think.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I don't know if the ending of next week.
Speaker A:Sam had a happy ending until the very end.
Speaker B:Sam did have a happy ending.
Speaker B:I mean, maybe he'll be a little more laid back now that he got some release, but, you know, I mean, hey, we got to see Jared Padalecki's weird sex face.
Speaker B:Ew.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:On that note.
Speaker A:On that note, that's all I got.
Speaker A:Got.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
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