2:18 Hollywood Babylon
Hollywoooood Babylon.. Yup the Misfits are stuck in all our heads now. We dive into Supernatural Season 2, Episode 18. We learn that Dean Winchester is one hell of a PA. And we get both True Crime and Spooky with the story behind the Culver Studios. Murder! Sex! Ghosts! Yessssssss.
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"Birth of Scandal: William Randolph Hearst." Scandal Sheets Podcast, Episode 7.
"Culver City Timeline." Culver City Historical Society. https://www.culvercityhistoricalsociety.org/about/culver-city-timeline/.
"Hollywood Babylon (2.18)." Supernatural Wiki. http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/2.18_Hollywood_Babylon.
"Thomas H. Ince." Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_H._Ince.
Mehra, Vrunda. "Culver Studios' Long and Star-Studded History." Curbed LA, 21 Nov. 2019. https://la.curbed.com/2019/11/21/20965989/culver-studios-history-amazon-studios.
Newspapers.com. https://www.newspapers.com/image/95363460/?terms=%2Bthomas%20%2Bince&match=1.
Transcript
Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about Hollywood Babylon,.
Speaker B:How Dean Winchester is one hell of.
Speaker A:A pa. Condiments and shotguns and oh,.
Speaker B:So many tongue twisters, including scream queen.
Speaker B:Scream.
Speaker B:I said it once.
Speaker B:Can I say it twice?
Speaker B:Scream.
Speaker B:Nope, they cannot say it twice.
Speaker B:All right, let's do this,.
Speaker A:Sam.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:I'm the girl known as Liz.
Speaker B:I think that's my name.
Speaker B:Remember?
Speaker A:Something like that.
Speaker B:Something like that.
Speaker B:What I've been called.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and not to talk about somebody, but I'm going to tell you this, and hopefully they're not someone who listens to the podcast, but if you're a lawyer and you choose to go by Kimmy, I'm not gonna take your ass seriously.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:There was just a name thing that was on.
Speaker B:I was like, fuck it, Kimmy.
Speaker B:And, like, her name is Kimberly.
Speaker B:And, like.
Speaker B:But in her byline, it was just like, man.
Speaker B:And I was expecting to see like.
Speaker B:Like someone who just passed the bar.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Kimmy was.
Speaker B:Was not.
Speaker B:No, she was an older woman.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not putting on my camera for you, Kimmy.
Speaker B:I'm not wearing any pants.
Speaker A:That's another thing with those nicknames that start with, like, a Y sound.
Speaker A:It's a lot of times they sound very juvenile.
Speaker B:My parents, when I was a kid.
Speaker B:Hey, all you guys can hold this against me.
Speaker B:When I was a kid and I was named Elizabeth, there was somebody across the street from us who was my babysitter, and her name was Beth.
Speaker B:And at that time, I guess you did not short Elizabeth to Liz.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But they went with Betsy.
Speaker B:So I am a slightly overweight girl with glasses, big frizzy hair, and the name of Betsy.
Speaker B:Do you think that, like, goes well for you in elementary school, parents?
Speaker B:It does not.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And thankfully, almost everybody who remembers by that name is dead, so.
Speaker B:Oh, good times.
Speaker A:On that cheerful note.
Speaker A:On that cheerful note, we're going to eventually get around to Talking about Season 2, Episode 18, Hollywood Babylon of Supernatural.
Speaker B:In the meantime, you're going to keep.
Speaker B:It's been stuck in my head, like, every time.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:So for those of you who are not into our world, misfits has a song called Hollywood Babylon.
Speaker B:And, yeah, that's just.
Speaker B:Every time I look at this, like, Hollywood Babylon.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:I saw it come up on the screen.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:And I'm like, fuck.
Speaker A:Now it's in my Head.
Speaker B:So let's get our shitty.
Speaker B:Or shit, Shit, shit, shit.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:So how was your week?
Speaker B:What's exciting.
Speaker A:It was pretty good, you know, nothing too crazy.
Speaker A:We had our long weekend, but I got to go to see in person for the first time ever, a lowrider car hop competition in person.
Speaker A:And that was in Oak Cliff in Dallas, which is my part of town I reside near.
Speaker A:And then it was pretty fucking epic.
Speaker A:They have, like, this giant, like, plexi and metal, like, measurement thing out in this parking lot.
Speaker A:And it's got numbers on it and the car.
Speaker A:And they get out of the car and they start flipping switches.
Speaker A:And the car is like, got these beautiful, beautiful engraved bumpers that they are slamming off of the concrete.
Speaker A:And I'm dying a little inside each time, but I'm also cheering because it's really fucking cool.
Speaker A:And then the car gets stuck like.
Speaker A:Like vertical.
Speaker A:It's wild.
Speaker A:And some cars, like, didn't do much at all.
Speaker A:They were having issues, but it was really fascinating.
Speaker A:Yeah, they couldn't get it up.
Speaker A:It was pretty fascinating.
Speaker B:Like, donkey win.
Speaker B:That's all I need to say.
Speaker A:We left.
Speaker A:We didn't stay for the entire competition, but El Donkey was by far the most popular.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, we were.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We noticed that.
Speaker A:Like, it's just interesting.
Speaker A:So being in car culture, I get all.
Speaker A:So, you know, we have.
Speaker A:We have quote unquote hot rods, like, pre 64 cars.
Speaker A:Like daily drivers.
Speaker A:And we've been to drag races, like, vintage drags.
Speaker A:And then, like, you know, we like cars.
Speaker A:It's fun.
Speaker A:But what's interesting is these vehicles are a lot of them not necessarily built for being the, like, your driver or the best running vehicles.
Speaker A:Like, I swear to God, one didn't even have a transmission.
Speaker A:They just had an engine so you could charge the batteries.
Speaker A:Like, it was like, I don't think.
Speaker A:I don't think that runs.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:Or it runs.
Speaker A:I don't think that moves.
Speaker A:So that was just really fascinating.
Speaker A:Like, the difference where it's like, ours is all about, like, being reliable.
Speaker A:And so you can go on a road trip or to a car show or get to your show or whatever, or sound cool or other people's cars are like, I want to go fast for very short periods of time in a very dangerous way, because old cars are dangerous sometimes.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:It was kind of fascinating.
Speaker A:But, no, it's super fucking cool.
Speaker A:Saw some.
Speaker A:Saw some beautiful vehicles.
Speaker A:Some, like, the hopping was wild and then got to do a little cruise the next night.
Speaker A:So Both, Both.
Speaker A:Both Dave's babe's car and my car both got to make it out for cruises this weekend.
Speaker A:So it was pretty neat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's my excitement.
Speaker A:That's what I got.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Your cars have more of a life than I do, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I did.
Speaker B:I don't think I did shit this past week.
Speaker B:Uh, I think at one point I recovered and slept a lot and then I went to go visit my parents and then I came back and on the way back I was just like, I was working without GPS for a while, so I turned on the wrong road.
Speaker B:But kind of like I knew like there was a road that would go somewhere, so I just kind of went in a bunch of back roads and eventually threw on my gps.
Speaker B:Just I wasn't like completely lost on, you know, in the hill country getting eaten by the chupacabras.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah, found this road, which I'm not going to say.
Speaker B:I'm sure you guys can figure out what Diana's last name is, but it was her last name that I ended up going down.
Speaker B:And it was a great, it was a great road to take a little beastie on.
Speaker B:It was all like curves and just like you go over like the river kind of cuts in and out.
Speaker B:So like you're driving over like these little bridges over the river and like all these like one lane roads and there was nobody else on it and it was so.
Speaker B:It was great.
Speaker B:So it was just like me tooling around through like the Texas country side going, oh, this is.
Speaker B:It was a nice day.
Speaker B:And then I really got time to like, it got home and then commenced lump time, which is what I called it, and just basically parked myself.
Speaker B:Oh, and I got to go to Trader Joe's, which is also very exciting.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:And then I caught up on all the new episodes of Miracle Worker.
Speaker B:So good.
Speaker B:Such a good show.
Speaker B:The new episodes of what we do in the Shadows came out.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:We've been marathoning Ted Lasso and I know you have no interest and I'm not going to try to sell you on it anymore.
Speaker A:I give up.
Speaker A:But I'm deeply, deeply entertained.
Speaker A:But my Dave's into soccer and I'm not.
Speaker A:I think it's like.
Speaker A:I think it's a stupid, boring sport with ties and that's lame.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And there's a lot of running.
Speaker A:Like all there is is running and no scoring.
Speaker A:But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker A:The show has like.
Speaker A:You don't have to like soccer to like the show by A long shot.
Speaker A:If you like Jason Sudeikis pretty much you like the show, I think.
Speaker B:I'm sure I like it at some point because I keep realizing that I've watched.
Speaker B:I feel like I've watched all the content and then I'm like, wait, there's more content?
Speaker B:And I discovered new content last night, which we'll talk about when we get to lure, which is part of the things I did this weekend.
Speaker B:But yeah, there's just so much like, it never ends.
Speaker B:It just never ends.
Speaker A:And it's deeply entertaining.
Speaker A:We made it through.
Speaker A:We watched the entire first season and started the second season just in the past few days.
Speaker A:So 30 minute episodes, knocking them out.
Speaker A:And somebody told me that I reminded them of a character on the show.
Speaker A:And so I was kind of excited to watch it.
Speaker A:And after the first couple episodes, I was offended, even though they had insisted that it was a compliment because I hadn't seen it when they told me this and I was like.
Speaker A:And then now I'm like, fuck, yeah, that's who I am now.
Speaker A:I'm like, yep, I'll take that.
Speaker A:I will own that shit.
Speaker B:So that's good.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:What are you.
Speaker B:What are you indulging all the time?
Speaker A:I am drinking.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:I just forgot what it's called.
Speaker A:It's a San.
Speaker A:It's a Texas.
Speaker A:It's a Texas Sangiovese.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:I am drinking Coleman's white.
Speaker B:This is called white.
Speaker B:Cause that was what was in my fridge and I had to rush to get on here.
Speaker B:And I was like, I need a beverage.
Speaker B:And then of course, I'm in a hurry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the cork crumbled.
Speaker B:And then like, I was like, shit.
Speaker B:So then basically I had to like push the cork all the way down.
Speaker B:And I was like, where the fuck is my decanter?
Speaker B:I'm like, I can't find a decanter to push this in.
Speaker B:So now, like, I just have like this giant glass of white wine and a pint glass.
Speaker B:And then if I don't drink it all, like, it'll go like I'm putting in a mason jar or something.
Speaker B:But it's actually, it is a decent white.
Speaker A:It's like instead of like moonshine, you've got like wine in a jar like that.
Speaker B:It's a kind of vacuum sealed.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker A:It just sounds funny.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So let's get this show on the road.
Speaker B:So excited about tonight's episode for numerous reasons.
Speaker B:So beyond the title that I'm not going to say again.
Speaker B:Which, you know.
Speaker B:So we're in season two, episode 18.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:It was directed by our favorite western suit, where Phil Scritchia and written by Ben Edlund.
Speaker B:And this episode is full of so many Easter eggs.
Speaker B:There are so many nods to just them.
Speaker B:This is like one of the first meta episodes of Supernatural.
Speaker B:We get to where they're just making fun of themselves and making fun of Hollywood.
Speaker B:So I have got a ton of things that will be littered through here that, you know, was going and I think, you know, we're going to get through a lot.
Speaker B:The cast, there's a lot of cast tie offs that I'm sure Diana will dig into you.
Speaker B:But overall, I'm just really exciting episode.
Speaker B:One of the reasons it's really exciting for me is because I'm planning this really lengthy trip to la and so it gave me excuse to buy a ton of books on all the ghosts in Hollywood.
Speaker B:So that was one of the things I did when I was being a slug on my couch, was just surrounded by ghost books on Hollywood.
Speaker B:So, yeah, let's get into this.
Speaker B:Let's get started.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, So I mean, I'm just going to say that obviously from the start, the first thing that came to my mind was Evil Dead or Evil Dead too, as far as what we're watching here.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And that's a good thing in my mind, but it is a good thing.
Speaker B:And there are actually some very.
Speaker B:I'm not going to go into them, but there were some very direct nods to Evil Dead.
Speaker B:A lot of.
Speaker B:A lot of the shots are very reminiscent of Sam Raimi.
Speaker B:Fortunately, Bruce Campbell was not in this.
Speaker B:That fucking bastard.
Speaker B:And I'm shaking my fist like, you, Cookie, if you're listening, Cookie, fuck you.
Speaker B:Because Cookie took too long putting on his makeup on Halloween and I missed my meet and greet with Bruce Campbell.
Speaker B:So fuck you, Cookie.
Speaker B:I love you, but fuck you.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Okay, so we.
Speaker A:The episode starts out and then you get.
Speaker A:If I'm not giving as many.
Speaker A:Like, obviously you've seen this by now, so it's obviously a movie set.
Speaker A:You got a girl with a flashlight.
Speaker B:So did you think it was a movie set?
Speaker A:I had a vibe that it was something at first.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, look on my giveaway was when Brody comes up, like, no, I'm.
Speaker A:We've got to run, blah, blah.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, this guy.
Speaker A:This is like, this is obviously like some scripted bullshit, so.
Speaker A:And like, not like, I'm obviously watching a Television.
Speaker A:It's like the meta of.
Speaker A:You're saying, like, okay, this is a. I'm watching a TV show and they're showing a scene being shot.
Speaker A:Like, that was my giveaway, that dialogue.
Speaker B:Well, the acting was just not awful.
Speaker A:Not good.
Speaker A:Intentionally atrocious.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so we've got Tara playing a character.
Speaker A:The actor or the character.
Speaker A:It's like layers on layers.
Speaker A:The actual character on the show is named Tara, but she's playing a character named Wendy.
Speaker A:And Brody is the one that startles her.
Speaker A:And so she's trying to do this scream and is failing, basically.
Speaker A:And it's part of the problem is apparently she's reacting poorly to the tennis ball that's going to be changed into a CGI thing.
Speaker A:So you get the production guys talking about how, like, to them, offsides.
Speaker A:Frank talking about how weird stuff's happened on that set before.
Speaker A:The set might be haunted.
Speaker A:And so she's then practicing on her own in running lines in the woods and hears noises, sees a hat fall on the ground, looks up and sees a ghost kind of like flicker and disappear.
Speaker A:So I'm like, oh, shit, that's not good.
Speaker A:And you see Frank, the guy who just was talking about how the place is haunted in the rafters and bleeding from his fucking face.
Speaker A:And she screams very well this time.
Speaker A:Really good scream.
Speaker B:Yeah, I thought it was an interesting screen choice.
Speaker B:It wasn't trill.
Speaker B:It was very.
Speaker A:Oh, it was like, I'm actually scared.
Speaker A:Not like a. Yeah, like not a scream queen scream.
Speaker B:It was a legit scream.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Say that four times.
Speaker B:Say it twice.
Speaker B:Okay, say it once.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:That's hard.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker A:We cut to our favorite brothers on a golf cart getting a tour of the film lot.
Speaker B:And so, fun fact, I've been on this tour because this is actually.
Speaker B:It's supposed to be the Warner Brothers studio tour in Burbank.
Speaker B:So I actually have done this where Stars Hollow does exist.
Speaker B:Kept up the gazebo and the other things from Stars Hollow there.
Speaker B:So as they're going through this, they're making comments, you know, and basically poking fun at Jared for being in Gilmore Girls.
Speaker B:They're like, that's where Gilmore Girls is filmed.
Speaker B:So I don't know if you caught that.
Speaker B:That's why I said, yeah.
Speaker B:Sam's face was like.
Speaker B:And Dean's like.
Speaker B:And it's like, oh, yeah, you played Dean on Stars Hollow on Gilmore Girls.
Speaker B:Which confused me when I started watching this show because his name is Dean on Gilmore Girls.
Speaker B:And now he's not Dean.
Speaker B:His brother's name is Dean.
Speaker B:Ye.
Speaker A:It's very confusing.
Speaker B:It was very confusing.
Speaker B:So, yes, I've done this tour.
Speaker B:It's actually a pretty good one.
Speaker B:I don't know if they're still doing it.
Speaker B:And we'll get to the cemetery later.
Speaker B:So obviously, though, this felt.
Speaker B:This episode was not filmed in Burbank.
Speaker B:It was filmed in Vancouver.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There's a funny line about that.
Speaker B:To look like Burbank.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I like that they made a reference to Creepshow and seeing Matt Damon.
Speaker A:Some funny little random lines.
Speaker A:I thought that.
Speaker A:I noticed.
Speaker A:But when they hop off the cart and they're walking, Dean's talking about how they're on vacation and, you know, that's.
Speaker A:He doesn't want to work on vacation.
Speaker A:Something about, you know, pool hopping and stuff.
Speaker A:And Sam makes a joke that the weather there is practically Canadian.
Speaker A:And I was amused.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:I know they're shooting in Canada.
Speaker A:So there was my.
Speaker A:There was a funny little.
Speaker A:You talk about all the jabs at themselves.
Speaker A:There's one that I found, at least.
Speaker A:So anyways.
Speaker A:And they're pretty flippant, though.
Speaker A:Sam basically just basically straight up says he wants to keep his mind off of what happened with Madison.
Speaker A:And so that's why he's digging into work and just pretty much like, they address it.
Speaker A:I appreciate that they addressed it to be weird if they didn't.
Speaker A:But at the same time, it's just kind of like, yep, I'm just throwing myself into work.
Speaker A:Not think about that.
Speaker A:Let's go by, like.
Speaker A:And just, like, dropped it, you know, I was like, okay, all right.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:We hope we all process differently.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, but same.
Speaker B:I mean, I get it.
Speaker B:So then they start talking about rumors that are going on that the set is haunted.
Speaker B:And Dean wants to know.
Speaker B:You look like you're gonna say what I was gonna ask, but Dean wants to know if it's like, Poltergeist.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And Sam's like, what could be a poltergeist?
Speaker A:Like, talking about, like, a ghost that throws things.
Speaker A:But, I mean, there's simplifying, but yeah.
Speaker A:No, they're talking about Poldreus, the movie.
Speaker B:So was Poltergeist the movie really cursed?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was fucking cursed.
Speaker B:Like, that movie is so cursed.
Speaker B:Okay, so this is according to grunge.com.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So the actor, Oliver Robbins, the one who played the middle child, Robbie, was actually strangled by the animatronic clown.
Speaker B:That's Creepy ass fucking clown.
Speaker B:Like it basically like got a hold of it.
Speaker B:Like it didn't get a hold of him, but it was like wrapped around his neck and started choking him.
Speaker B:And Steven Spielberg had to rescue him legit.
Speaker B:Almost died from that fucking clown.
Speaker B:And also when this movie just came out, I would like to say that I did sneak into my parents room to watch on HBO when I was like 9, 10, like probably not the age to be watching Poltergeist by yourself.
Speaker B:And my dad came back from a business trip and gave me a clown which I immediately threw in the garbage.
Speaker B:Okay, so the clown tried to kill the kid.
Speaker B: n the driveway of her home in: Speaker B: In: Speaker B:Which sounds like a real shitty, no pun intended way to go.
Speaker B:Yeah, she just finished filming the third installment, but it hadn't been released yet and she died.
Speaker B: ther, was in a plane crash in: Speaker B:But he was gifted in a front first class seat after a fan.
Speaker B:He gave a fan his autograph, they gave him the first class seat and so if he kept his original seat, he would have died.
Speaker B:Also creepy fact.
Speaker B:The scene, you know, where they're in the pool and all the corpses are like coming out like on the mud and they're trying to strangle them.
Speaker A:Vaguely.
Speaker A:I will confess, I've only seen parts of your first Poltergeist.
Speaker A:I've seen Poltergeist 3 was my first foray into the poltergeist world and reminder.
Speaker B:That I don't like horror films.
Speaker B:I know, but they're such good movies.
Speaker B:They really are so scary.
Speaker A:That was a sleepover I will never forget.
Speaker A:Cape Fear and Poltergeist 3 in one night as like a freaking like 11 year old.
Speaker B:Yeah, that sounds like a good party.
Speaker B:I hope you did Bloody Mary afterwards.
Speaker A:Of course, when we did, light as a feather, stiff as a board.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But anyways, those corpses that were in that pool, Spielberg decided he wanted realism.
Speaker B:So he used real human skeletons.
Speaker B:Not even know how I fucking got them.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's one of the, that's one of the theories of how this got cursed was that he was, you know,.
Speaker A:He was using and Dean references that you were using real.
Speaker B:Yeah, also so people who are in the movie started getting like basically paranormal Paranormal phenomenon at their house.
Speaker B:So, like, people started having, like, weird lights and doors, lamb and all other shit while they're filming it.
Speaker B:In Poltergeist 2, Will Sampson was a real life shama, and he portrayed Taylor, the medicine man.
Speaker B:And he was actually.
Speaker B:He actually did an exorcism on the set to rid it of alien spirits.
Speaker B:And he died a little over a year after the film came out from complications associated with the heart and lung transplant.
Speaker B:And also in Part three, there was a garage that was used for filming.
Speaker B:It caught fire after plastic fake ice was poured into the prop cars and that got into flames and it injured three crew members.
Speaker B:So was Poltergeist haunted or cursed?
Speaker B:Fuck, yeah.
Speaker B:It was so cursed.
Speaker A:Yeah, that sounds pretty cursed.
Speaker A:It's hard to argue.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so we see Tara that we saw earlier and basically ends up she's been.
Speaker A:She was in several.
Speaker A:In their world, in several horror films.
Speaker A:And so Dean is totally fangirling.
Speaker A:And she's the one that supposedly saw this.
Speaker A:This vanishing figure.
Speaker A:So he's all.
Speaker A:He's all excited that she's in this movie cast.
Speaker A:I will say the actor that we see at this point that I was very excited about is a character named Brad, who is played by Gary Cole, who is also known as Reese Bobby from Talladega Nights, Cotton from Dodgeball, Bill Lumberg from Office Space, and Harrison from Mixed.
Speaker A:Ish.
Speaker B:Get those TPS reports out.
Speaker B:I was very excited.
Speaker B:So next Easter egg, which comes at this point, we find out that the director is named McG.
Speaker B:So Mick G. Is the actual producer of Supernatural.
Speaker B:Also Pussycat Dolls and Charlie's Angel.
Speaker B:And Charlie's Angel Full Throttle.
Speaker B:So you see that later in the trailer that comes back when they do the Hazer too.
Speaker B:But the real mcg is actually in the scene and he's standing behind Sam and Dean while they're talking to the fake mcg.
Speaker B:Which, you know.
Speaker A:That's funny.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Layers on layers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Brad is telling McG that he really wants the things the movie to be more colorful.
Speaker A:And McGee's trying to explain that it's a horror film.
Speaker A:So it's kind of a weird thing.
Speaker A:But Brad assumes that Sam and Dean are PAs and wants a smoothie.
Speaker A:Dean has no idea what a PA is, but Sam references.
Speaker A:I think they're kind of like slaves.
Speaker B:They are, yeah.
Speaker A:Which is extra funny because, you know, they probably.
Speaker A:They have PAs on their set.
Speaker A:So it's like layers of again.
Speaker A:So you see, you start seeing shirts where basically the movie that this is, that there's the set that they're on is called Hell the Reckoning.
Speaker A:You start seeing people in those shirts around.
Speaker A:So Dean gets a tray of smoothies and he's looking around.
Speaker B:They're delicious looking smoothies.
Speaker A:They look quite lovely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Almost like milkshakes.
Speaker B:They looked like Star Trek.
Speaker B:Like Star Trek Starbucks.
Speaker B:Frappuccinos.
Speaker B:And I was watching this today at like 3 o' clock in the afternoon, which is at the point that I start craving caffeine.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And no, I can't drink it at 3 o' clock in the afternoon.
Speaker A:And I'm like, and all you want is a Frappuccino.
Speaker B:The Frappuccino bring it to me.
Speaker A:I haven't had a Frappuccino in so long.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Now I want one.
Speaker A:Damn it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Dean takes these smoothies, sets them down and decides to go up to up the like this.
Speaker A:I'm terrible.
Speaker A:I was terrible describing this.
Speaker A:Like, I've worked on like the catwalk.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The stairs to the catwalk.
Speaker A:And yeah.
Speaker A:So he's just trying to like check things out and look around.
Speaker A:We cut also back to the shoot taking place in the cabin where you've got Tara, AKA Wendy, reading from an old book in like a Latin ish sounding language.
Speaker A:And it's like, well, this is definitely some Evil Dead happening right here.
Speaker B:Yeah, very much.
Speaker B:And also the clapper for this.
Speaker B:And 666.
Speaker A:Oh, I missed that.
Speaker A:That's funny.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, I've got some insider things helped me look for this stuff.
Speaker B:Like it wasn't like, yeah, oh yeah, 666.
Speaker B:I saw that.
Speaker A:I found a couple.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then so he's got his EMF reader and he's just trying to see if there's anything up on the stuff up on this, on the catwalk level, up by this, by the ceiling.
Speaker A:That would explain why she saw someone like a dead body up there.
Speaker A:But they cut.
Speaker A:We get a quick cut over down to Sam and Dean at craft services.
Speaker A:Dean is fucking stoked.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would be too.
Speaker B:I want a tiny cheesecake slider.
Speaker B:Like I saw that.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh my God.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:The Philly cheesesteak slider looked delicious.
Speaker B:Would one of the things too I do not understand about people who work in film and in television is how you have a craft services table and just not be eating constantly.
Speaker B:Because I would be like, how are you bitches?
Speaker B:Stay so skinny.
Speaker B:Like you've got like 90,000 calories that are all there.
Speaker B:And I just be like, slider, my Robin mouth.
Speaker A:I was like, I'm going to make a. I was going to make a terrible joke about drugs and bulimia, but I don't think I'm allowed to make those jokes anymore.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So no, I'll leave that one alone.
Speaker A:That's like the old Hollywood joke.
Speaker A:It's not funny.
Speaker A:Haha.
Speaker A:But like, oh, but yeah, also if I got, you know, if I had like, you know, four hours a day to spend at the gym, I could probably eat more crap.
Speaker B:Well yeah, having a personal trainer and all the other things that go into that.
Speaker B:However, there's also a lot of struggling people in Hollywood who just do not.
Speaker A:Get any of that.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:But they've got craft services so they're not.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean at least like you can keep yourself fed.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But yeah, those fucking sliders, man, they.
Speaker A:Really do look good.
Speaker A:Like to the point where I almost told Dave, I'm like, can we order the fluid cheese steak please?
Speaker A:Tonight when I was watching the episode,.
Speaker B:There's so much food that comes out of this.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:By the end it was like, I want a Frappuccino.
Speaker B:I want a slider.
Speaker B:I want to, I want a Taquito.
Speaker A:Like man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah, so we sort of.
Speaker A:Dean's explaining that like look, there's nothing on the, on the, there's nothing on the EMF reader from up in the scaffolding.
Speaker A:And they figure out that Frank was just a fill in for the day.
Speaker A:And Sam's.
Speaker A:But Sam's already done the research and his detective Sam has already figured out there's been four deaths on that set.
Speaker A:Two suicides and two accidents since its inceptions and over the last like 80 years.
Speaker A:So then Dean sees Tara across the room and decides he needs must go approach her immediately.
Speaker A:So he walks off from, from Sam grabs like some paperwork from one of the other production people I guess she was.
Speaker A:And then goes over and just like awkwardly fanboys and like oh, did you need, did you need a copy of this?
Speaker A:But he does finally like pull it together and segue into talking about Frank and she starts talking about how he had blood dripping from his eyes and mouth and that she saw this shape but.
Speaker A:And then she had kind of a cute thing that she took Polaroids of all the crew to pass the time and she shows it to him and he goes, son of a bitch.
Speaker B:Son of a bitch.
Speaker B:We don't know what he saw.
Speaker B:He saw something.
Speaker B:Let's get it happen.
Speaker A:So we see the brothers knocking on a door and a gentleman's home.
Speaker A:Gerard St. James, who is an actor and also happens to be fucking Frank.
Speaker B:He's alive and not frank.
Speaker A:No, but basically.
Speaker A:So Dean.
Speaker A:Dean's character, Dean Winchester, is a fan of B horror movies is what we've figured out at this point, which is not particularly shocking.
Speaker A:It does very much make sense, I think, with this character in some ways.
Speaker A:Some ways maybe not.
Speaker A:But in a lot of ways it does.
Speaker A:And he recognized the actor.
Speaker A:So, yeah, apparently Gerard St. James confesses to them that the producers brought him onto the set to fake his own fake this character's Death of Frank to build buzz about the show or the movie that's coming out and to kind of get everybody all excited and on edge.
Speaker A:The ghost that Tara saw was a projection.
Speaker A:And then he invites them to a terrible stage performance of him at a dinner theater with pepper steak.
Speaker B:He's doing Salesman.
Speaker B:And so he's very excited about it as.
Speaker B:Because that is all community theater can do is Death of a Salesman.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then Dean asked about some other actor.
Speaker A:I didn't really catch what that was about.
Speaker A:I think it was just a throwaway.
Speaker B:Well, no, it was Richard Mall.
Speaker B:I didn't write it down, but Richard Mall was in Night Court.
Speaker B:And I forget what else he did, but, yeah, he was someone who.
Speaker B:I can see Richard Dean looking at him, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so back on set, we see that we're back at the cabin and they're doing, like, the scene where they need to find Wendy and her sister is one of the other pseudo actresses is saying, but the audio guy is having some issues.
Speaker A:He hears some weird shit, and so they do a cut.
Speaker A:And he's like, hey, this is no good for sound.
Speaker A:Too much feedback.
Speaker A:We got to do this again.
Speaker A:So, yeah, and we've got Brad questioning the director again about the logic of why how do the ghosts hear the chant from hell?
Speaker B:If the ghost are in hell, how do they hear the chanting?
Speaker B:And it's a good question.
Speaker B:Like, how do you know?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like, do they have, like, superhuman here or super hearing or something?
Speaker A:So anyways, so then he gets a phone call, and he's got, like, no reception.
Speaker A:And so we.
Speaker A:He wanders off trying to take this phone call, but then you see a black and white ghost.
Speaker A:Follow me.
Speaker B:Her grayscale makeup.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:I was researching grayscale makeup for the past two weeks, and I'm just like, ah, someone else is doing it.
Speaker B:So I'm like, zooming in.
Speaker B:I'm like, how'd they do her makeup?
Speaker B:What did they do.
Speaker B:I wanted to grayscale makeup so bad.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:I mean, granted, I was like, just found that filter on my iPhone, so I could technically just do grayscale by just going poof.
Speaker B:But, like, to actually do it, like, oh, so good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she's got grayscale makeup on and she's got a rough burn.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And so he thinks it's a cast ghost, like, something from the show.
Speaker A:So he's like, critiquing her neck wounds, like, hey, we need to call makeup over here.
Speaker A:But as he starts to walk off, she's following him.
Speaker A:And then she drops her robe and goes up the stairs.
Speaker A:So, of course, like, these, you know, cliche skeezy movie exec.
Speaker A:Of course he follows her upstairs.
Speaker B:Warrants and cliche.
Speaker B:That stereotype.
Speaker A:I'm not saying it is or isn't.
Speaker A:I'm just saying it is.
Speaker B:But also, like, chick just got naked in, like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, like, it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:It doesn't have to be a movie, like, character cliche.
Speaker A:I guess that.
Speaker A:That word movie director, whatever thing.
Speaker A:It just has to be like, oh, chick dropped her clothes and walked away.
Speaker A:And in an inviting manner and male followed her.
Speaker A:That's like, that.
Speaker A:That's the summary.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess, you know, like, realism thing, obviously, like, how the ghost hear the chanting.
Speaker B:But I mean, wouldn't you just call security?
Speaker B:Like, what Would.
Speaker B:Would you just follow that you.
Speaker B:Would your dick be so hard that you had to follow naked chick up the stairs?
Speaker A:Would you not be, like.
Speaker A:If you're, like, convinced that she is part of, like, this.
Speaker B:She was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This bitch.
Speaker B:Like, totally.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is so normal.
Speaker B:I get women dropping their robes for me all the time, trying to keep asking for my teet reports and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it might have been like the Reese Bobby was just, like, coming through way too much.
Speaker A:Because I feel like Reese Bobby would have been like, took a robo.
Speaker B:I guess so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he just wants to go fast.
Speaker A:It's the sun.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:Anyway, so we're back on the back focusing on, like, the set where they're shoot.
Speaker A:The part of the set where they're shooting.
Speaker A:And so because of Brad's question, the writer did add what they call an explainer for the question.
Speaker A:And so ghosts from hell have super hearing.
Speaker A:Ha ha.
Speaker A:Then you hear a noise, and all of a sudden, Brad falls through the roof of the fucking cabin, hanging from a noose.
Speaker A:And he did.
Speaker B:Yeah, y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:This cast sucks.
Speaker B:Cause I'm like, he wasn't dead.
Speaker B:Like, you could have cut him down.
Speaker A:If he wasn't dead yet.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker A:There was a moment where he's like, still alive.
Speaker A:He dies pretty fairly quickly, but he was not dead immediately.
Speaker A:Like, if you had reacted, they could have saved his ass.
Speaker B:Yeah, they all just ran away.
Speaker B:Like, nobody went forward to, like, help.
Speaker B:They're just like, oh, someone's hanging and we're going to run.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I would hope somebody, like, especially if Sam and Dean were on the set,.
Speaker A:That they would have, like, run up and tried to come down.
Speaker A:I do like the symbolism of when you know he's really dead, though, is when his Bluetooth earpiece falls out.
Speaker A:That was like the true sign.
Speaker A:Like, oh, no, he's really gone.
Speaker B:I hate those earpieces so much.
Speaker B:And you should die just for having one of them.
Speaker A:Everybody hates them, especially now.
Speaker A:They're just so dated looking.
Speaker A:But yeah, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that was distressing.
Speaker A:So we cut back to the.
Speaker A:The cabin set again.
Speaker A:Tara's got a flashlight and there's like this, like a whole thing where it's like the cabin kind of moving around and they're all wondering if they should even be shooting right now.
Speaker A:And the director's like, oh, we had a moment of silence at breakfast.
Speaker A:I'm like, damn, that's harsh.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker B:I just skipped all of that and just went straight to Dean.
Speaker B:His flobs, his tequila.
Speaker B:I was like, yeah, whatever, whatever.
Speaker B:Dean has a tequila.
Speaker A:And I was like, I didn't even call it the catch.
Speaker A:I'm like, but Dean has.
Speaker A:I was like, somehow Dean has a headset, but you've got his taquito.
Speaker B:I catch the important things.
Speaker B:Like, there was a piece of fried Mexican food and I want it.
Speaker A:I don't blame you.
Speaker A:That sounds delicious.
Speaker A:So anyways, so basically, Tara thinks it's stupid that they're using salt to ward off the evil stuff at this cabin.
Speaker A:And the writer's trying to think of alternatives, like condiments that we.
Speaker A:Alternative condiments we can use, or shotguns.
Speaker A:But this assistant dude, Walter, who's been running around the whole time is just annoyed as fuck.
Speaker A:And these people are idiots and just, you know, storms kind of by sanity.
Speaker A:And you're like, it's weird.
Speaker A:He's really bothered by this.
Speaker B:And shock.
Speaker B:And also they have like, you know, shotguns make less sense.
Speaker B:And salt.
Speaker A:That was funny.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like, really?
Speaker A:You just see Dean is embracing PA life.
Speaker A:That's what I think the summary is.
Speaker A:There's food, constant food.
Speaker A:He's got a headset.
Speaker A:He is chilling.
Speaker A:He is living the best life.
Speaker B:He's got a fanny pack.
Speaker B:Like, he's got prepped.
Speaker B:He's all in.
Speaker B:I think we found Dean Winchester's actual calling, which is to be a va.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's into it.
Speaker A:So he's, like, barely paying attention to the.
Speaker A:To the case at all.
Speaker A:So Sam's like, by the way, I totally went to the fucking morgue.
Speaker A:And, like, Dean didn't even notice, like,.
Speaker B:The whole thing, but I didn't even notice that either.
Speaker B:I'm just like, dean has a fanny pack.
Speaker A:So now they're like, okay, this is pretty much like a legit haunting at this point.
Speaker A:Even though we knew that good old Gerard St. James was a faker, this is actually a real shit now.
Speaker A:And so now they've got to figure it out.
Speaker A:But they go to one of the trailers because.
Speaker A:Because Dean was able to get a copy of the Daily, which is a.
Speaker A:Like a DVD recording of everything that's happened on set.
Speaker A:And they watch When Brad Fell through the Ceiling, like on Super Duper Duper.
Speaker A:Like one.
Speaker A:Like, slow.
Speaker A:One frame at a time.
Speaker A:And you see a ghost in a robe in that frame.
Speaker A:And Dean makes another reference at that point about a movie or a ghost in a movie set.
Speaker A:And it was not one I was familiar with.
Speaker A:But you never heard this story.
Speaker B:You never heard the Three Men and the Baby story.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:This was like, one of the first, like, I want to say, like, Internet phenomenons, right?
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:So it was.
Speaker B:People would pass around this picture and so if you look at the set of Three Men and a Baby, there is, like, this floating, like, child.
Speaker B:And he looks like.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:So it was this whole thing that this child.
Speaker B:There was a ghost that was caught on the.
Speaker B:The set of Three Men and a Baby.
Speaker B:But they eventually, I think, disproved it.
Speaker B:And it was somebody's child that was hiding behind the couch.
Speaker B:But for the longest time, people were convened.
Speaker A:I remember hearing something about that.
Speaker A:That sounds familiar now.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, this is like prodigy time.
Speaker B:Like, AOL chat room time.
Speaker B:That this was going around, obviously, because Steve Guttenberg still had a career.
Speaker B:But anyways, okay, yeah, that's what they're going off of.
Speaker A:But obviously Sam recognizes who this.
Speaker A:This ghost is.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker A:And apparently.
Speaker A:So we get Sam's new nickname, or, Sorry, Dean has a new nickname on set.
Speaker A:Sam's excited about figuring that the case.
Speaker A:Apparently Dean's going by Ozzy now on set.
Speaker B:That Which I just want to be like, did.
Speaker B:Did Dean give himself that nickname?
Speaker A:Of course he did.
Speaker A:Of course he did.
Speaker A:Of course he did.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But Sam has figured out that this person, this ghost that was in that shot was Elise Drummond.
Speaker A: She was a starlet in the: Speaker A:She had an affair with an executive.
Speaker A:She was distraught and hung herself in a scene that was being shot just like Brad did.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So trying to, like, take down the studio brass or maybe there's somebody.
Speaker A:Maybe these ghosts are after the studio brass.
Speaker A:So there we go.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And so basically his death matches.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And they're like, we're going digging tonight.
Speaker B:And I think that's as good as time as any to segue into the lore.
Speaker B:For this evening.
Speaker B:Like I said, I was very excited doing the research on this episode because it's Hollywood, it's ghosts.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Oh, my God, I miss.
Speaker B:All the studios are haunted.
Speaker B:And I've been having a really hard time finding other paranormal adventures to go on when I go to la.
Speaker A:Mainly because I just like, your concert.
Speaker A:Is it just gonna be its own paranormal adventure?
Speaker B:I've got, like, two already.
Speaker B:Like, I have two concerts.
Speaker B:And I wanted, like, I'm torn between on the day before Halloween, going to Univers Universal Studios to go see all the Universal Studio Monsters and Wizarding World in Halloween Land.
Speaker B:But that is also the Dia de los Muertos celebration at Hollywood Forever Cemetery.
Speaker B:And it looks fucking amazing.
Speaker B:And that is a cemetery that they go to to burn her.
Speaker B:That's supposed to be Hollywood Forever.
Speaker B:We'll get to that.
Speaker B:Some things about that we get there.
Speaker B:But so kind of went back and forth on which one I wanted to just to focus on and decided I wanted to talk about Culver Studios.
Speaker B:So there's a lot of interesting things about this, but this is one of the ones so we're going to get.
Speaker B:The reason I'm focusing on it is not only do we get some paranormal stuff, we also get a Hollywood sex scandal and true cred and all the bells and whistles just going off.
Speaker B:We got death.
Speaker B:We have actresses, We've got famous people.
Speaker B:We have hauntings.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it was all favorite things.
Speaker B:Fuck, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, and just.
Speaker B:And things just, like, spiraled over.
Speaker B:So let's start off with just where Culver's Studios came from, where it is.
Speaker B:So it's actually outside of LA and it still exists.
Speaker B:And we'll get to where its current state is.
Speaker B:But so we go back to original Age of Gold.
Speaker B:It's not even golden.
Speaker B: Hollywood is just starting so: Speaker B:And he basically wanted this whole place that was outside of LA that, you know, he wanted it to be like a movie theater place, but he wanted to build a city, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he was like, you know what I can do to get people out here, like I can get the film industry.
Speaker B:And he had this vision in mind of having a community that was self supporting, that would eventually not be part of Los Angeles, but would annex from LA and become an incorporated city.
Speaker B:And that's from the Culver City historical sighting.
Speaker B:So while he's doing that at the same there is a producer named Thomas Ince and he started, he built his own studio named Incevil and it was really the first modern studio and that was near LA at that time and it was employing around 700 people.
Speaker B: In September of: Speaker B:So the new Culver City picture plant, which was basically pretty cool, had some Greek revival columns, was named Triangle Studio.
Speaker B:And this was one of the first, what they call vertically, vertically integrated film companies.
Speaker B:So basically you have production, distribution and all the operations under the same roof which made it, you know, that's really the start of the studio system which is, you know, we're just going to have everything here.
Speaker B:We can make this very scalable and print it out really fast.
Speaker B:So he was there for a few years and then he was like, I'm going to start do my own studio.
Speaker B: So he decided to do that in: Speaker B:That Triangle Studio eventually became MGM, which is now the Sony box.
Speaker B:So they're like, okay, we're going to build you a new studio.
Speaker B:So he starts building his new studio in Culver City.
Speaker B:$250,000, Which is a lot for the time.
Speaker B:And it was basically supposed to be cutting edge.
Speaker B:They had all like glass sound stages, prop rooms, dressing rooms, projection rooms, electric plant, carpenter shops and a large pool to use for like oceans.
Speaker B:There was an employee gym and all sorts of things that were supposed to protect against fires.
Speaker B:I don't know why this is in this statement.
Speaker B:So the main administration building was, they built it in the style of Mount Vernon.
Speaker B:And so it's this huge white wooden fucking mansion.
Speaker B:And this became nicknamed the Mansion.
Speaker B:And a lot of times when you look at the research into this, people will say that is what terror was.
Speaker B:And Gone with the Wind that burned.
Speaker B:So Gone with the Wind was shot there, but it wasn't shot at the mansion they actually built.
Speaker B:They had a backlog where they filmed it.
Speaker B:But the mansion is pretty.
Speaker B:The iconic picture of this.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:And Ince was just a workaholic, always working all the time.
Speaker B:And so just running at huge pace to get everything going up.
Speaker B:We had eight to nine pictures shooting at the same time.
Speaker B:He was working really heavily with his wife, Eleanor or Nell.
Speaker B:And somebody said he and his wife worked hard at the studio.
Speaker B:And there are pictures of them at the kitchen table working on stuff.
Speaker B:So at the same time that this is going on, Ince was negotiating a deal with Willie and Randolph Hearst to create Hearst Cosmopolitan Productions, which would use Inca Studio.
Speaker B:And part of the reason for this is that Hearst had a mistress named Marion Davies, and she was pretty popular in film.
Speaker B:She was a Ziegfeld folly girl, like, super talented.
Speaker B:So people think he just wanted to get a studio to have a place for her to have a job.
Speaker B:But so he goes out to his home to Diaz Dorados.
Speaker B:And that was before Hearst is like, this isn't Hearst's big mansion.
Speaker B:This is the one before that.
Speaker B:And so they're like, hey, your birthday's this weekend.
Speaker B:Let's go take a cruise on my yacht.
Speaker B:And so Hearst had this yacht named the Oneida, which.
Speaker B:Which is the Native American tribe that was out in California at some point.
Speaker B:They're also the ones who made, like, a knight of silverware comes from this tribe's name.
Speaker B:So he's like, hey, it's your birthday.
Speaker B:Let's go out on my yacht and let's have a party.
Speaker B:And they're like, cool.
Speaker B:So they go out in the yacht, and there's a ton of famous people on there, including Luella Parsons, who became the premier Hollywood gossip culture column columnist.
Speaker B:Activists, Charlie Chaplin, of course, Hearst mistress Marian Davis, Margaret Livingston, who was Insa's mistress.
Speaker B:Remember, he is married and his wife is really involved.
Speaker B:But yes, they had a mistress, you know, thank you.
Speaker B:They had a full jazz band, all sorts of people around there.
Speaker B:So as he goes on this, like, he really wasn't supposed to be eating or drinking rich foods because he had some medical conditions.
Speaker B:But he's like, hey, it's my birthday, so gonna party like it's my birthday.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the main story that gets in a publish in most papers is that Ince gets sick, gets taken off, gets put in a train.
Speaker B:This is where the true crime scandal really starts.
Speaker B:All right, so according to Nell, Vince's widow, she said, well, Ince took a train like said gets off the boat.
Speaker B:They took a train to San Diego where he joined the rest of the guests from the boat the next day.
Speaker B:And at dinner that Sunday night he had more birthday party celebrations and.
Speaker B:But he suffered an acute bout of indigestion due to his consumption of salted almonds and champagne, both which were forbidden because he had peptic ulcers.
Speaker B:So look at you party with your champers and your almonds.
Speaker A:I like those fancy seasoned almonds we get when we go to that wine.
Speaker B:I actually have some truffle marceno almonds.
Speaker B:Almonds that I work on, almonds that I got at Trader Joe's this weekend.
Speaker B:I'm very excited about them.
Speaker B:But anyways, so apparently he was accompanied by Dr. Goodman, a licensed though non practicing physician.
Speaker B:They traveled by train from San Diego to Del Mar where he was taken to a hotel and given medical treatment by a second doctor and a nurse.
Speaker B:He then summoned his wife and his personal physician and his eldest son.
Speaker B:Son.
Speaker B:Then this group got into a train, went to LA and to his house where he died.
Speaker B:Nell said the incident treated for chest pains caused by angina.
Speaker B:And years later his son became a physician and said I think my, my dad had thrombosis, basically clotting in the veins, you know.
Speaker B:So that's the story that was in the papers and that his wife said, but that's not the rumors that started and basically haunted Hearst to his death.
Speaker B:So some of the rumors though, first they're like oh yeah, of course we had.
Speaker B:That he partied too much, he had indigestion.
Speaker B:And then he, some people was like oh, he had, then he had a heart attack or that he drank bad booze because this is prohibition.
Speaker B:So like you don't really know what kind of booze you're getting.
Speaker B:So maybe he drank some bad booze and died.
Speaker B:Maybe he killed himself.
Speaker B:They're like, I think he's like, you know, he's in a lot of debts and he killed himself.
Speaker B:He was not.
Speaker B:Or the story that really gets told the most is that he was killed by Hearst.
Speaker B:Dun dun dun.
Speaker B:So why would William Randolph Hearst kill him?
Speaker B:Well, he was the, the, the rumor is that he wasn't trying to kill him.
Speaker B:And one of the reasons this rumor started is that Charlie Chaplin's valet co know said he saw him when he came ashore via the stretcher and he told his wife that inside was bleeding from a bullet wound spread around the Japanese domestic workers that lived in Beverly Hills at the time.
Speaker B:People also think that it was very suspicious that he was immediately cremated and that Nell eventually went an extended European vacation that was maybe funded by Hearst.
Speaker B:People also think it's suspicious that the investigation really only questioned one man, and that was Dr. Goodman.
Speaker B:And Dr. Goodman basically was in the employ of William Randolph Hearst.
Speaker B:He ran several of his newspapers.
Speaker B:Wasn't really a doctor anym, but he's the one that the DA spoke to and they closed the case after that.
Speaker A:So not shady at all.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:There's no shade in this at all.
Speaker B:There's nothing suspicious in any of this.
Speaker B:So the reason why people think this happened was that.
Speaker B:So Marion Davies was William Randolph's hearse's mistress.
Speaker B:And they had been she in the long run.
Speaker B:She actually ends up being the one.
Speaker B:She marries him eventually, but he thought that she was having an affair with Charlie Chaplin, who was a ladies man.
Speaker B:And also, if you look at the photos of William Randolph Hearst, Marion Davies and Charlie Chaplin, you're like, yes, Davies and Chaplin were totally banging because she was 21, hers was like 65, and Chaplin was in his 20s and they were both fucking hot.
Speaker B:And I'm pretty sure they were.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, she's.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of stories that go into you.
Speaker B:Marion.
Speaker B:Marion Davies really obviously cared for him.
Speaker B:She ended up being his caretaker until he died at the same time, you know, you got to get some.
Speaker B:And Chaplin was a womanizer.
Speaker B:Asshole.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And in her age range, closer to.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Probably didn't have wrinkly balls.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So potential scenario is like, this is the one that gets said a lot is, you know, Hearst invites Chaplin onto the yacht so he can watch them together.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Catches them fucking.
Speaker B:Runs to get his gun.
Speaker B:Marion screams.
Speaker B:Ince runs to go see what's going on.
Speaker B:He wrestles with Hearst and he gets shot.
Speaker B:So that's one of the main, like, theories about what happened.
Speaker B:And there also is a rumor that, like, the next morning there was a headline in the LA Times that read, movie producers shot on Hearst yacht.
Speaker B:And by the evening, those headlines have vanished.
Speaker B:This is one of those.
Speaker B:Sorry, as I'm getting indigestion from the white wine.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:This is one of those.
Speaker B:It's hard to prove a negative because, you know, if I go through and I looked, because I read through a ton of newspapers from this time and.
Speaker B:And they all say the latter thing about the indigestion.
Speaker B:So if Hearst yanked these out, like, I would think there would be an archive somewhere.
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:You can't prove that it existed and get disappeared unless, like, somebody had it.
Speaker B:But there's there's nobody who has a copy of.
Speaker B:But somebody said they saw it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So another fun fact.
Speaker B:So, like, everyone's.
Speaker B:So these rumors are going, but everything else is really going.
Speaker B:He died of a heart attack.
Speaker B:It was sudden.
Speaker B:I did find a fun fact that the oration at his funeral was from a theosophist from the United Lodge of Theosophist at the request of Mrs. Ince.
Speaker B:So theosophy is something that developed around the same time as spiritualism.
Speaker B:And Diana's gonna face on.
Speaker B:I think you may have heard of this.
Speaker A:I have not.
Speaker A:I'm fascinated.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I just like this word.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's theosophy.
Speaker B:So it's a.
Speaker B:Basically a mixture of Eastern and Western religions.
Speaker B:So it's like Buddhism and Hind kind of interplayed with some Western things.
Speaker B:One of, like, their main principles was they want to investigate unexplained laws of nature and the powers, like, humanity.
Speaker B:It's a fucking cult.
Speaker B:Like, it beyond is a cult that's had a lot of really famous people attached to it.
Speaker B:Einstein was a member at some point.
Speaker B:And is this like.
Speaker A:Is this like the.
Speaker A:Like Scientology before Scientology?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Xenu.
Speaker A:But I mean, I'm just saying, like, all the famous people were fucking cult members of it, kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:An excuse to, like, try to be, like, morally superior in some garbage.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like I say this, they developed the same time as spiritualism.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So people are looking for new paths to explore.
Speaker B:And so they're like, hey, it's kind of awesome to see.
Speaker B:Know how everyone got obsessed with yoga?
Speaker B:You know, just like, this was like, oh, clearly the people from the Eastern religions have some.
Speaker B:Some deep spirituality that.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:I thought it was interesting that that came into it.
Speaker B:This kind of occult piece for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So one of the things that also kind of goes to disprove the.
Speaker B:The bullet thing was that the Times did note that his.
Speaker B:His casket remained open for an hour to afford friends and studio employees to pass for one less glimpse of the man that they loved and respected.
Speaker B:And nobody ever saw a hole in the.
Speaker B:His head.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it could have been a hole in the back of his head, and that would have been.
Speaker A:You know, then they just do, like,.
Speaker B:Really good, like, hair and makeup.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, there is Hollywood.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So they could potentially have covered up.
Speaker B:So nobody likes all that.
Speaker B: re is a very, very delightful: Speaker B:So Kirsten Dunst played Marion Davies.
Speaker B:Edward Herman plays William Randolph.
Speaker B:Hearst and I sent Diana random pictures of Edward Herman in sombreros last night because he wears a lot of hats in this movie, and that's not a metaphor for, like, his.
Speaker A:The different roles.
Speaker B:He's literally wearing different hats.
Speaker B:Like, at one point, he has, like, a jester hat on.
Speaker B:For those of you who don't know, Edward Herman was Richard and Gilbert Gilmore Girls.
Speaker B:So this also.
Speaker B:This is just.
Speaker B:We're tying back to Gilmore Girls again.
Speaker B:But also, he was also the original vampire Lost Boys.
Speaker B:Like, I love Edward Herman to death.
Speaker B:He's so great.
Speaker B:They also casted Eddie Izzard as Charlie Chaplin, and he looks so fucking hot as Charlie Chaplin.
Speaker B:I was like, who, girl?
Speaker B:Like, you were doing it for me.
Speaker B:I was like, I know, like, you've gone to another way of dressing these days, Eddie, but you look damn hot as Charlie Chaplin to say that.
Speaker B:Carrie Elways, AKA the Dread Pirate Roberts, played Thomas Enz.
Speaker B:And Joanna Lumley, who was Patty Patsy from Ab Fab, played Eleanor Glenn.
Speaker B:And she's kind of.
Speaker B:This all kind of told from her perspective.
Speaker B:She was fucking amazing.
Speaker B:And the last amazing person in this film was Jennifer Tilly.
Speaker B:Fucking Jennifer Tilly was in it.
Speaker B:And she played Louella Parsons, and she was obnoxious and amazing as only Jennifer Tilly is.
Speaker B:So I was very excited that I came across this this weekend.
Speaker B:I was just like, what?
Speaker B:That's what I was doing last night was watching this film.
Speaker B:And just so I saw, like, an interview with one of Hearst's Hearst biographers on C Span, who basically said the entire thing was rubbish, that none of this happened.
Speaker B:But I'm like, there's a movie about it, and Edward Herman has a sombrero.
Speaker B:So I maybe kind of want to.
Speaker A:Believe it's fun, so I want to believe it.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So one of the rumors is Louella Parsons, who.
Speaker B:She just come to California, and she was working as a Hearst employee.
Speaker B:But after that night on the yacht, she had a lifetime contract to be subredding.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it was like, oh, she got paid off.
Speaker B:She's not suspicious at all.
Speaker B:So there's a lot of things that kind of go back and forth in that night that, like, basically said, you know, if you wanted to make, like, hearse, like, go pale, just say it.
Speaker B:And he would just, like, kind of freak out.
Speaker B:Freak out.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But honestly, really, I kind of think that he just got sick and died.
Speaker B:But, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:The other story is much more fascinating, and I really like the idea of someone getting shot in a yacht.
Speaker B:And in the I'm not going to spoil the movie.
Speaker B:The movie has a really great scenario of how Ince was the one who got shot.
Speaker B:Shot.
Speaker B:So he dies.
Speaker B:So he dies.
Speaker B:And so we got the studio.
Speaker B:His wife Nell, actually kept the studio open for a year.
Speaker B: But after that, in: Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And actually, DeMille didn't do very well, the studio.
Speaker B:So then it went to rko.
Speaker B:And during that time, that's when King Kong was filmed there.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:And so that is when Gone with the Wind was filmed there.
Speaker B:And they filmed that all on set.
Speaker B: itizen Kane was shot there in: Speaker B:Howard Hughes bought it at one point.
Speaker B:Then he sold it to General tire.
Speaker B: Then in: Speaker B:And then it just kind of, like, kept changing owners and.
Speaker B:But there was.
Speaker B:The lot was used for a lot of famous TV shows, including Glassy, Star Trek, the Andy Griffith Show.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Pee Wee's Playhouse was there.
Speaker B: Someone bought the lot in: Speaker B:1986.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That was getting filmed.
Speaker B:And that was a Grant, Tinker and Gannett.
Speaker B:They did a $26 million renovation.
Speaker B: And in: Speaker B:So, yeah, so we have Beetlejuice shot there.
Speaker B:And just tons and tons.
Speaker B:If you look at the, like, the Matrix ends up being shot there.
Speaker B:Like, all sorts of weird Legally Blonde, Armageddon.
Speaker B:Like, this is, like, really important things.
Speaker B:That was after Sony bought it.
Speaker A:Well, I just point out the gamut of things you just called.
Speaker A:Like, we went from Pee Wee's Playhouse to Beetlejuice to Legally Blonde to Armageddon as far as, like, some iconic things that were filmed there.
Speaker A:And I just really, really, really appreciate that spread.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, hey, you know, Citizen Kane was filmed there, but also Beetlejuice and.
Speaker A:Legally Blood Blonde and Legally Blonde.
Speaker B:You want to know which film I'm going to watch over again?
Speaker B:Ain't gonna be Citizen Kane.
Speaker B:Fuck you, Rosebud.
Speaker B:I don't give a shit.
Speaker B:I would much rather watch be stuck in a room and watch Legally Blonde 50 times.
Speaker B:So watch Citizen Kane one more time.
Speaker B:Sorry, Orson, you're a genius, but I can't.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:The movie's dull.
Speaker B:Okay, so eventually, so it was.
Speaker B:Sony sold it again.
Speaker B: Capital Partners bought it in: Speaker B: Then in: Speaker B:The studios, including the mansion, the bungalows.
Speaker B:Three years later announced a $600 Million project to transform the studios in prep for Amazon Studios, which is now basically being put in there.
Speaker B:So if you go in there, you can see the changes of what went through.
Speaker B:But I think it's really cool.
Speaker B:There is a video of.
Speaker B:So was that the Mansion and the Bungalows?
Speaker B:So if you go into a lot of the older Hollywood lots, I love bungalows on there.
Speaker B:And like, we.
Speaker B:They're basically places where, like, writers would stay or actresses, but generally writers and stuff.
Speaker B:So they have all the original housing that was there that was built the same time, like, as the mansion.
Speaker B:And so they moved.
Speaker B:They actually moved all of them to another part of the lot.
Speaker B:And there's a really interesting video of, like, well, they moved it back to where they were originally at, but it was a parking lot, and the parking lot didn't have the structure for it.
Speaker B:So they had to, like.
Speaker A:It's really.
Speaker B:It's fascinating how they did that.
Speaker B:But let's get on to the ghosties, because I promise you, sex, true crime, and ghostliness.
Speaker B:So lots of employees report they see ghostly security guards just patrolling the night.
Speaker B:And I don't know if they're paid on scale.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That seems like a really efficient way of getting your security done.
Speaker B:Just have ghosts do it for you.
Speaker B:People often have said they've seen the ghost of a man climb the stairs to the main executive screening room, which is originally INSA's private production room.
Speaker B:Guards on the third floor have seen an apparition of a woman, and she quickly disappears, leaving a cold spot.
Speaker B: d during that construction in: Speaker B:So two workmen saw a man in a bowler hat watching them from the catwalks, just like in this episode on stage 1, 2, 3.
Speaker B:And they spoke to him, and he disappeared through a wall.
Speaker B:And then on stage two, three, four, a special effects guy saw a man in an odd hat.
Speaker B:And the worker next to him, like, told him about the same time he saw this guy who looks exactly like Thomas Inc. And the man turned to him and said, I don't like what you're doing in my studio.
Speaker B:And then disappeared into a wall.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So stage.
Speaker B:Yeah, so stage one, the one where they saw the guy in the bowler hat was actually demolished during the Reno.
Speaker B:So people, a lot of people think that's why, like, his ghost got what, you know, riled up was just, you know, all the changes that were going through.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So you go to California right now, you actually cannot go to Culver Studios because Covid and Amazon, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:The hotel, the.
Speaker B:The Culver City Hotel is right near there, and that is also supposedly haunted.
Speaker B:There are tunnels through there that lead in between the hotel and the studios.
Speaker B:And their.
Speaker B:That's where like, the munchkins from wizard of Oz apparently, like they said, like, they would run back and forth through the temples.
Speaker B:So all sorts of stories about that.
Speaker B:And I actually did look.
Speaker B:I was like, huh.
Speaker B:So that hotel technically is available for part of my stay, but not all of it.
Speaker B:And it's not in la, so it's like.
Speaker B:Like, I kind of want to do it, but I may just drive out there.
Speaker B:But anyways, so that is the story of Culver.
Speaker B:And pretty much, if you go and do your research, all this.
Speaker B:All the studios in LA are haunted.
Speaker B:They're all.
Speaker B:All got really great stories.
Speaker B:But that was the one I wanted to talk about because again, we got the true crime, we got the ghosties, we got all sorts of stuff.
Speaker B:Got a man in butter hat and Charlie Chaplin.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Who was a hottie.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, like, I don't.
Speaker A:I mean, I feel like the ghosts would not be thrilled about Amazon.
Speaker A:I mean, I. I use Amazon.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I am not too proud to admit this, but Amazon is kind of the devil.
Speaker A:Except that when they're streaming our show, which we love you Amazon, and please promote our show.
Speaker A:But I'm just saying, like, corporate daddy.
Speaker B:Hey, but, yeah, we all know you're evil.
Speaker B:And I am really interested to see stories that come out of this new era because they are trying to keep, obviously in the same age, we believe in keeping the historical.
Speaker B:So everything they're building, they've done.
Speaker B:Like I said, they moved.
Speaker B:All the bungalows.
Speaker B:They moved.
Speaker B:You know, the mansion didn't move.
Speaker B:It was there.
Speaker B:But I am interested to see if, like, people who are coming in are, like, seeing a bunch of phenomenon.
Speaker B:All right, so we're back to the show.
Speaker B:And at this point, I think we're Cemetery.
Speaker B:Yeah, so we have the cemetery.
Speaker B:And then also we have Don Stark.
Speaker B:And that was the point that I realized that Don Stark.
Speaker B:That Jay was being played by Don Stark, who is also Bob Pinciotti from that 70s show.
Speaker B:Did you miss that?
Speaker B:Yeah, I was like, that guy looks really familiar.
Speaker B:How do I know?
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, my God, it's Donna's dad.
Speaker A:So that's funny.
Speaker B:And they go to Hollywood forever.
Speaker B:Cemetery.
Speaker B:So that's the place that is.
Speaker B:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker A:So what's funny about that is that that didn't like.
Speaker A:Now you've talked about that now and then.
Speaker A:I didn't like, realize that was kind of like a. I guess it never like registered my brain.
Speaker A:That was like a thing.
Speaker A:But a book series that I've read, like, I just read like, I think is the.
Speaker A:I think it's the final book.
Speaker A:It just came out.
Speaker A:There's a lot of ties to the Hollywood Forever Cemetery and it's Richard Kadri's Sam Ann Slim series.
Speaker A:So just finished that.
Speaker A:But anyways, there's a lot of references.
Speaker B:To the Hollywood Forever cemetery.
Speaker A:So now I feel like, oh, well,.
Speaker B:That makes a lot of sense if.
Speaker A:That's actually a thing.
Speaker B:Actually a thing.
Speaker A:Like, oh, I feel stupid for not looking it up.
Speaker A:But like, I just didn't even think too.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:So they're in the cemetery.
Speaker A:Sam and Dean are in the cemetery.
Speaker A:And Dean wants to find Johnny Ramon's grave.
Speaker A:But basically they're discussing how they're not sure it.
Speaker A:Why Elise is back at all now.
Speaker A:But they have to find a grave.
Speaker A:So they do their routine.
Speaker A:They dig absurdly fast, impossibly fast, and get her to her body and throw salt.
Speaker A:And then they put a bunch of.
Speaker A:Of lighter fluid on it and set it on fire.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also, Johnny Ramones grave really is in Hollywood Forever.
Speaker B:So is Dee Dee.
Speaker B:Both Johnny and Dee Dee are buried there, but Dede just has like a regular heads headstone.
Speaker B:And then Johnny's got like a giant statue on it of him playing guitar.
Speaker B:And in the scenes from last year's dslrs festival, like, they have like shots of them going by his statue.
Speaker A:Pretty cool.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also while they're through there.
Speaker B:So Jay is walking through the set and he's talking shit about mcg.
Speaker B:Pretty much everybody who's on there.
Speaker A:Yep, he's not into it.
Speaker A:And he's a.
Speaker A:He's a producer and he's just talking shit on everybody.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But then the lights go off and then.
Speaker A:But he sees someone like, moving about, like, in the cabin.
Speaker A:So he starts going over.
Speaker A:Even though it's really real dark, you can barely see.
Speaker A:He's like, hey, help me find the exit.
Speaker A:He's kind of a fucking dick about it though.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, I get it.
Speaker A:It's dark, but he's not like, dude, help me.
Speaker A:He's like the only, like, really shitty.
Speaker A:Not that it would have mattered because the guy that the.
Speaker A:The person that he saw in the cabin.
Speaker A:Turns around and.
Speaker A:And my comment, I think I wrote down, his head is broken,.
Speaker B:Mike.
Speaker B:And my comment was, yes, look at that corpse makeup.
Speaker A:It was so good.
Speaker A:It was very well done.
Speaker A:The head is like.
Speaker A:This head has been spliced open repeatedly.
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:That's why I was like, I don't even know what to write here.
Speaker A:Broken.
Speaker A:Broken.
Speaker A:Like, head is broken.
Speaker A:So, yeah, sliced up real crazy.
Speaker A:And so all of a sudden, a fan cuts on.
Speaker A:You're like, oh, that's what happened.
Speaker B:That's no good.
Speaker B:That's no good.
Speaker A:And the ghost disappears and the fan is sucking Jay in.
Speaker B:I was like, he got sucked and blown.
Speaker A:So then you see blood splatter.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:So we cut, and there is a preview for this movie, for Hellhazer.
Speaker A:We get to see the preview that we'll be running for this movie.
Speaker A:And it's terrible.
Speaker B:It's terrible.
Speaker B:But it's full of Easter eggs.
Speaker B:I told you, like, there is tons.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I know of one.
Speaker B:Did you caught.
Speaker B:You caught one?
Speaker B:Which one did you catch?
Speaker A:The credits.
Speaker B:Okay, so the credits are there.
Speaker B:Okay, so these are all.
Speaker B:This is all from Supernatural Wiki.
Speaker B:I did not find all this.
Speaker B:Okay, so the writer, Martin Flagg, is also credited as this episode's writer.
Speaker B:I don't know one of their writers, Martin Flagg, is credited as a writer of Cornfield Massacre and Monster Truck, which are illustrated with images from Supernatural episodes 111, Scarecrow and 113, Route 666.
Speaker A:Ah, I wondered about that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's also a shot of the hook from 107.
Speaker B:Hookman of Claire's desiccated hands from 207, the usual suspects, Gordon and his bloody knife from 203, Bloodlust, and the inside of Angela's coffin from 204.
Speaker B:Children shouldn't play with dead things.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:Yeah, they.
Speaker B:They went there.
Speaker A:They went for it.
Speaker A:I like it.
Speaker A:It's clever.
Speaker A:Why not have fun with.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So all I've got is at the end, they show the.
Speaker A:Like, the movie, like, credits from the preview, and they show that, but it's actually all of the actual crew from the episode we're watching.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Funny and clever.
Speaker A:So I was like, oh, I bet that's a thing.
Speaker A:I had to look it up.
Speaker A:So, yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, so back to our brothers.
Speaker A:Sam's figured out that there was an electrician who died in an accident at the.
Speaker A:At the set.
Speaker A:So now they know who their second ghost is.
Speaker A:We see a cheesy ass scene with a yellow Ferrari pulling in.
Speaker A:McG getting out of his Ferrari with his shoes that are his Adidas that are blue and yellow and match his Ferrari, I would point out.
Speaker A:And he gathers the crew around to shut down production for a few days.
Speaker A:Basically they're making him.
Speaker A:The studio is making them do it, but.
Speaker A:And the authorities.
Speaker A:But gives us a weird speech about setbacks and about how Brad and Jay would have wanted them to finish the movie, but they're taking a few days off.
Speaker A:I almost didn't get the point of the scene.
Speaker A:I'm just going to say, I don't even know why I spent time just telling it to you now seems like a waste.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:So basically Sam and Dean are like, well, let's take advantage of this time.
Speaker A:They're going to watch the fucking dailies like crazy, trying to solve and see these ghosts as much as possible.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, they can't just go, you know, salt and burn the electrician's body because the electrician was fucking cremated.
Speaker A:So they're just trying to find more and more info and footage in.
Speaker A:Info in the footage.
Speaker A:So Sam makes a crack about how the ghosts are mad because the movie sucks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now they're trying to snow down because it sucks.
Speaker B:I was like, fair.
Speaker B:I also think it's really funny, like how into this movie Dean is.
Speaker B:They have like much Sam.
Speaker A:Total different reaction.
Speaker A:It is hilarious.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So they are.
Speaker A:Sam didn't want to go talk to the writer.
Speaker A:And they're kind of like talking about how they're totally into details of the script, like lying.
Speaker A:And they found out from him that Walter was the original writer.
Speaker A:He's not a pa, he's not assistant.
Speaker A:And that he put all those things in.
Speaker A:And they get.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They find the original.
Speaker A:They get the original copy of the script.
Speaker A:And it was called like Lord of the Dead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And yeah, also another Easter egg.
Speaker B:So in Marty's office there is a poster for Carnival Carnivore.
Speaker B:Carnivore Carnival.
Speaker B:God, this is full of tongue twisters.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it has an image from Everybody Loves a Clown in it.
Speaker B:So you see this picture of a clown in the back.
Speaker B:And that's the one from.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that's in there.
Speaker A:So they figure out that Walter is mad at people for wrecking his movie.
Speaker A:So he put a real ritual in the movie.
Speaker B:Seems fair.
Speaker B:He spent a lot of time writing that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So the writer is on set at night, supposed to meet Walter.
Speaker A:Walter's pissed.
Speaker A:He's saying that, hey, you just like my whole story up this bullshit.
Speaker A:And he has some crazy ass medallion.
Speaker B:Look at my scary amulet Walter has.
Speaker B:Look at my necklace.
Speaker B:I got a necklace.
Speaker A:Look at my necklace.
Speaker A:And set some incantation.
Speaker A:And the electrician shows up along.
Speaker B:I just call him fan dude.
Speaker B:I'm like, fan dude's back.
Speaker A:Fan dude.
Speaker A:Fan dude.
Speaker A:I call him electrician.
Speaker A:But yeah, I like that Fan dude.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden the fan cuts on.
Speaker A:Walter's yelling about how he wants, you know, his own.
Speaker A:His own work to be whatever.
Speaker A:He's blah, blah.
Speaker A:His work's been ruined.
Speaker A:He's whiny writer.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:How dare you edit my work.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden there's shotgun blast.
Speaker A:And the electrician dissipates and the fan cuts off because guess who showed up?
Speaker A:Dean.
Speaker A:And Sam, of course.
Speaker A:And whatever.
Speaker B:Sam's hair.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:Well, Sam's around.
Speaker A:He's not a super like active.
Speaker B:This is not.
Speaker B:This is not Sam's episode.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Or yeah, this episode.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So anyways, the writer has a funny comment about you're one hell of a pa, which I thought was really funny, Dean.
Speaker A:So Sam goes after Walter because he's like, Walter is going to run because.
Speaker A:And he's calling the dead.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker A:Anyways, it's this whole thing where Walter is just trying to summon all these fucking ghosts to kill them all because he's pissed that his story got changed.
Speaker A:Because he's a bitch.
Speaker A:That's my.
Speaker A:That's my brief summary of what's happening.
Speaker A:There's a lot of running around.
Speaker A:They all run around.
Speaker A:There's two more ghosts.
Speaker A:And now we've got three motherfucking ghosts.
Speaker A:You got the other of like fanboy electrician and two others.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:Yeah, but they do this crazy thing where the ghosts go invisible.
Speaker A:And so they figure out they have to be real smart and use their phone camera to be able to see the ghosts.
Speaker A:Where does this come from?
Speaker A:Where did this come from?
Speaker A:This is like out of the blue, like, oh, here's a new thing.
Speaker A:We're just gonna throw it in here because like sprinkle this in.
Speaker A:Some bullshit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, this was the stupidest thing.
Speaker B:This is so fucking stupid.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the writer is being useful by using.
Speaker A:Holding up the camera and pointing out where to shoot.
Speaker A:And then it also very looked much.
Speaker B:Like Duck Hunter at this point.
Speaker A:It's like a video game at this point.
Speaker B:Shoot, shoot.
Speaker B:Like I was like, this is weird.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And they're like trying to Hide in the cabin.
Speaker A:But there's like not walls there, so it's not very helpful.
Speaker A:But anyways, they finally get to the point where they've got Walter, They've got the fucking.
Speaker A:The ghosts are following them.
Speaker A:It's all there at the same time, but the ghosts are invisible.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden, Walter breaks the amulet.
Speaker B:Oh no.
Speaker A:Which means that he doesn't understand.
Speaker A:He thinks he just can't kept the Winchester brothers from controlling the ghosts.
Speaker A:No, he's freed the ghosts.
Speaker A:So now the ghosts are going to come back at him from making him making them kill.
Speaker A:So he sounds reasonable, but same time it's kind of like.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He gets knocked and then he gets knocked down and he's bleeding a lot.
Speaker A:And they pulled up the camera phone and it's the ghost tearing Walter apart on the ground.
Speaker B:Which is pretty brutal.
Speaker B:Like it was a pretty good death scene and was very reminiscent of hellhounds.
Speaker B:Like watching the invisible.
Speaker B:Like things go through there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's just fucking ridiculous.
Speaker B:But I also kind of love it.
Speaker B:Like it's just like we're just going to unabashedly just make fun of ourselves and like this is some stupid Hollywood shit.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So immediately after this happened, happens, we cut to a scene of the film going on.
Speaker B:And of course now.
Speaker A:Now they're using a camera phone to spot ghosts while one of them shoots with a shotgun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I like that.
Speaker A:Sam says to the writer, you find out there's an afterlife and this is what you do with it.
Speaker A:Writer says, you need a little jazz on the page.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:You need a little jazz on the page.
Speaker B:Which I think is a sign for heroin.
Speaker B:Like, you need a little jazz on the page means you do heroin.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:And then we're going to cut out to Tara's trailer is a rocket.
Speaker A:Don't come a knocking.
Speaker B:It also like rocked real fast.
Speaker B:Like he was like.
Speaker B:Dean was dressed in like two seconds.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Hit it and quit it.
Speaker A:Geez.
Speaker A:So she's in a robe and makes.
Speaker A:Then she does the one hell of a PA again.
Speaker A:So now he's gone twice.
Speaker A:And yeah, Dean puts on his jacket and they walk away.
Speaker B:They walk away into the fake sunset.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then eventually.
Speaker B:And then eventually they go out to the picture of the fake studio, which again, so meta.
Speaker B:We have the studio in the studio.
Speaker B:That's not a studio.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's the episode.
Speaker B:What'd you like?
Speaker A:It was a really fun one overall, like, there was like the.
Speaker A:There's a couple.
Speaker A:Like the couple things were kind of dumb, but it was really fun.
Speaker A:Really fun.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's a pretty good.
Speaker B:An apt description.
Speaker B:Like, could this.
Speaker B:There's not.
Speaker B:There is no redeeming.
Speaker B:But there's.
Speaker B:In terms of pushing storyline along.
Speaker B:There's none of that here.
Speaker B:This is just.
Speaker A:But they had fun.
Speaker A:You could tell the.
Speaker A:They had fun with like all the tie ins and all the references.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's cool to me.
Speaker A:A lot of homage to other things.
Speaker B:It's enjoyable, I guess, you know, and it's.
Speaker B:But it's one of the things too that makes Supernatural so good is that they just poke fun at themselves.
Speaker A:Like they know they don't take themselves seriously.
Speaker B:And we're only in season two.
Speaker B:Even at season two, they're like, we're fucking ridiculous.
Speaker B:We do a show about shitty ghost hunting.
Speaker B:Like, like, like why assault here?
Speaker B:Why.
Speaker B:Why do we use shotguns?
Speaker B:Why do.
Speaker B:Like, there's someone who's using a Necronomicon to summon things.
Speaker B:Like, wait.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker B:So I, I really enjoyed that aspect of it.
Speaker B:And overall, like, if you just had this, the piece of standalone fiction, you're probably like, this is really shitty.
Speaker B:But if, you know, like within the context of everything, it's really good.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It'd just be silly and whatevs if you saw us on your own.
Speaker A:But like with everything else.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's what I got.
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:I think we can, we can close this out then.
Speaker A:I think you're right.
Speaker B:All right, well, cheers.
Speaker B:Jerk.
Speaker A:Cheers.
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