2:19 Folsom Prison Blues
Talking about Supernatural Season 2, Episode 19 "Folsom Prison Blues" which is NOT about Folsom Prison. Hear why Liz and Diana don't want to hear your band's cover of Folsom, why soldier's socks are nasty, and some of the real horrors behind the infamous Joliet Prison, with a focus on the incarcerated women in its early existence.
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Transcript
Welcome to this week's Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:We're going to talk about bloody prison.
Speaker B:Socks and women crying in cars.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker B:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker B:I'm Diana.
Speaker A:I am Liz.
Speaker B:And this week we're going to talk about season two, episode 19, Folsom Prison Blues.
Speaker A:Even though this does not take place in Folsom, even though.
Speaker A:Hey, guys, and I may get some shit for this, I really.
Speaker A:I'm not going to say I dislike that song.
Speaker A:I dislike the number of bands that have covered it.
Speaker B:Hold on.
Speaker B:What is.
Speaker B:What does Kelly's shirt say?
Speaker A:Oh, he had it.
Speaker A:You know, he had it made for me.
Speaker A:I don't want to hear your band's cover.
Speaker A:Folsom Present Blues.
Speaker A:There was one year at Viva Las Vegas.
Speaker A:I think it may have been the year you were there.
Speaker A:We just made signs that had Folsom with a line through it and then ran around the hotel, like, shoving it up.
Speaker A:Because for those of you who are not part of the rockabilly subculture, every fucking band picks that song to cover.
Speaker A:And Johnny Cash has a songbook of, like thousands of songs.
Speaker A:Like, there are so many things you could choose from, so many good ones, and y' all all choose that one.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a beating.
Speaker B:It's a beating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You guys made me hate that song.
Speaker A:And I twitch now if I hear it.
Speaker A:Like, I just start, like.
Speaker A:Like start shaking a little bit and get a little angry.
Speaker B:I don't have quite that visceral reaction to it, but it is definitely an eye roll inducing cover for me.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't think you're as much in the rockabilly scene as I was.
Speaker B:Well, I also didn't have passes to go to any of the concerts.
Speaker B:Every that year.
Speaker B:I was just hanging out, so I missed all the live music.
Speaker B:I was just running around getting drunk with everybod.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So no, I don't know.
Speaker B:Find another Johnny Cash song to cover, please.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:That's what we have to do.
Speaker A:You know, there's so many cocaine, like, cocaine blues, like, just do anything.
Speaker A:One piece at a time is fantastic.
Speaker A:I love that song.
Speaker A:I get really happy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:That's where we get the terms that could be like Cadillac from, you know, like, it's good stuff.
Speaker A:Good stuff.
Speaker A:Just stop with the Folsom.
Speaker A:So anyways, how was your week?
Speaker B:Oh, you know, just rocking and rolling and I'm trying to think even how much excitement I had this week.
Speaker B:Honestly, I don't think my week Was particularly exciting.
Speaker B:Unless I'm just forgetting things I've done.
Speaker B:But no, I'm just hanging in and working and getting ready for my countdown for my big trip to Nashville.
Speaker B:As you count down for your big trip to Las Vegas.
Speaker B:But trying not to curse AC companies, but, you know, that's what I got.
Speaker B:That's what I got.
Speaker B:Fun stuff.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We lucked out.
Speaker A:The hurricane hopefully isn't going to cause.
Speaker A:Which is now a tropical storm.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Hopefully it's not going to cause the damage that we thought that it's probably still going to cause flooding, but hopefully that's okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's some coastal minor flooding.
Speaker B:Hopefully it won't be at much worse.
Speaker B:And I know there's been some power issues in parts of the Gulf Coast, Texas, but fingers crossed it all passes through with just another being just another tropical storm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I will say, though, this is how, like, far I'm so busy either watching crap or just avoiding the world in general.
Speaker A:The way that I learned about that was because my electric company sent me a notice that there is a possibility of damage from the storm and that we should repair.
Speaker A:And I was like, there's a storm coming.
Speaker B:All right, cool.
Speaker B:And we've been having to do the watch because I do, you know, I do some work in Houston, so we have a.
Speaker B:There's a music venue there that we care about and people that we care about.
Speaker B:You know, I kind of.
Speaker B:Kind of had to keep eyes on that one.
Speaker B:Do the.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:Cross the fingers and toes and make sure everybody was all right.
Speaker B:You know, it's funny when you're, you know, messing with coworkers.
Speaker B:They're like, yeah, I want to work late tonight so I can get a bunch of stuff done in case I don't have power tomorrow.
Speaker B:Like, all right, fair.
Speaker A:Now, as Texans, we have learned how to deal about power.
Speaker A:We've learned some hard ways.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so this weekend, I did go see.
Speaker A:I actually ventured to a music show, which is.
Speaker A:I went and saw the gothic legend Aurelio Voltaire, who, if you guys are not looking at his YouTube videos, Holy crap.
Speaker A:He just released his new gothic home Shopping, where he goes to all of the TG Maxes and other things and, like, finds, like, what the goodies are there and then talks about them.
Speaker A:But he's just a very good storyteller.
Speaker A:Went with a new friend and.
Speaker A:Hey, Sean.
Speaker A:So you did get your shout out.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:So it was.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A:He was just fantastic.
Speaker A:The show was very small, which probably wasn't good for him, but was great for me.
Speaker A:I got up on stage and sang with a satanic choir like you do, you know.
Speaker A:So I had.
Speaker A:I had a really good time.
Speaker A:And then I spent Saturday binge watching Walker Texas Ranger because it's now on HBO Max.
Speaker A:So it's like, oh, go watch you without commercials.
Speaker A:And so have a lot of opinions about that.
Speaker A:And maybe after we do 15 seasons of Supernatural, we can go back into Walker and Diane.
Speaker B:But giving me a little background without giving any spoilers.
Speaker B:So I'm have to try.
Speaker B:I'm gonna talk.
Speaker B:I'm gonna talk the husband into that one with me.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, it's for Texas people.
Speaker A:I don't know how if you would like it if you don't live in Texas, but, you know, if you live in Texas, you would.
Speaker A:And then I also did something really bizarre.
Speaker A:I decided that we were missing out on some commentary, so I bought a Blu Ray player so I could buy the whole 15 seasons of Supernatural on Blu Ray.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Oh,.
Speaker A:I now have all of those and have gotten to see the wonderful world of fucking digital, you know, like stupid digital media.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So when you buy this set and not.
Speaker A:Not to shit on these people, but I'm going to shut on them a little bit, whoever did this, this set, okay.
Speaker A:On the end of season two, they have the special features, right?
Speaker A:And so they give you a digital code so you can watch everything on Voodoo, but the special features are on Voodoo, so you have to watch them on the Blu Ray.
Speaker A:And so the Blu Ray has this interactive map and it's basically like all the different places they go to.
Speaker A:And they have all these things on Harvell's and how the Roadhouse was built and all this really great stuff.
Speaker A:But it freezes like.
Speaker A:Like 20, like every time you turn a shoot to something, you have to, like.
Speaker A:Actually, I'd have to go in and unplug the power on the Blu Ray player and put it back in.
Speaker A:Brand new dvd, brand new Blu Rays and.
Speaker A:Brand new Blu Rays and stuff.
Speaker A:And I was like, this is why nobody liked this piece of shit and why we stream everything now.
Speaker B:Yikes.
Speaker A:But it is new.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so it'll be interesting too, to see, you know, there's a difference in what's in that content versus what's on Netflix.
Speaker A:And just like I said, you know, I. I read about the commentary, but I actually wanted to hear it for something.
Speaker A:So hopefully we'll get some more insight on that.
Speaker A:So I also spent the weekend doing that and I think crafting.
Speaker A:I did Some things for the puppets I'm making.
Speaker B:And I don't know what else I did.
Speaker A:I think I slept.
Speaker B:I remembered something else I did.
Speaker B:I forgot.
Speaker B:I actually did go.
Speaker B:Like two things.
Speaker B:I actually left my house because you know me, I'm a crazy person.
Speaker B:I can't not leave my house.
Speaker B:So I did go see our.
Speaker B:Have a lovely dinner with a group of friends, including our dear friend Stephanie.
Speaker B:Stephanie, who happens to be one of the proprietors of Ruminate Distilling, who makes our favorite rum.
Speaker B:And they're getting ready to relocate from high Texas to Dripping Springs.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:A little shout out.
Speaker B:Because they have helped fuel some of our episodes before, unknowingly.
Speaker B:So I thought we should mention that at least.
Speaker A:We talk about them all the time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, speaking of, what are you drinking?
Speaker B:I'm drinking some Coleman wine.
Speaker B:I forgot which one Dave poured.
Speaker B:I think it's the Ken car.
Speaker B:We got our shipment from our wine club today.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:Enjoying that.
Speaker B:How about you?
Speaker A:I am drinking a Penelope Sanchez cover Brute.
Speaker A:I wanted some bubbles and really it was.
Speaker A:I didn't want to drink any white wine and the only reds I had were things that I just not a fan of or too expensive.
Speaker A:And so I threw some bubbles in the freezer and drinking bubbles, nice.
Speaker B:It's always a celebration when you're drinking bubbles.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:And I just like coffee.
Speaker A:Like coffee is delicious.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And yeah.
Speaker A:So let's jump into this because we're going to have a lot to talk about.
Speaker A:So like, like we mentioned about this is False and Prison blues.
Speaker A:It's season two, episode 19.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:This is Mike Roll, who oddly did the police procedural, the one with Linda Blair and the Dana Schulz episode.
Speaker A:Remember that one?
Speaker A:So I just thought it was interesting that the other cop, what the first episode he directed was the Cops and Station.
Speaker A:And then we have that again.
Speaker A:He obviously directs a lot more things.
Speaker A:I just thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker A:This was written by John Chaban.
Speaker A:And you know, really the way this episode was developed was from doing like the situational pitch and being like, well, what would happen if we put Sam and Gene and Sam and Dean in jail?
Speaker A:And so everything just kind of naturally flowed from this.
Speaker A:There's some things in here that I think are interesting.
Speaker A:One was that so this episode was filmed during Jensen's birthday.
Speaker A:So during the first shoot of that day, all the prisoners started singing Happy Birthday to him.
Speaker A:So they basically flash mobbed him in their prison and Uniforms.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So and Deacon just kind of came as an evolution because they're like, we need to figure out how to get.
Speaker A:Get them out of prison.
Speaker A:So that's how the character Deacon was born, too.
Speaker B:So interesting because it looks like he carries over.
Speaker B:So that's interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, it appears that way, being someone that doesn't know for sure yet, but looks at IMDb so there we go.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So, yeah, this is the Green River County Detention Center.
Speaker B:And you figure out that they basically set up pretty fast.
Speaker B:It's some workers working on a cell block that had been shut down.
Speaker B:They're trying to reopen it.
Speaker B:Is this crazy, like, plasma cutter to open this, like, metal door?
Speaker B:It was very bizarre.
Speaker B:Like, very.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know if that would really work, but, I mean, obviously it would work to cut the metal, but, like, why would I know?
Speaker B:It was just odd.
Speaker B:But so they get this door open, you get kind of like some fog, and they're like.
Speaker B:You could tell there's kind of a cool breeze in their flashl and then that kind of blows away.
Speaker B:We cut over to a different cell block where there's a prisoner reading.
Speaker B:But you see the lights flicker, clock stops.
Speaker B:Something blows past their little cell door.
Speaker B:Their little cell door.
Speaker A:Their little cell door.
Speaker B:Their little cell door.
Speaker A:And so looking at him, did he look evil to you?
Speaker B:What, the prisoner or the thing?
Speaker A:The prisoner.
Speaker A:The prisoner.
Speaker B:He look evil?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know why he looked evil to me?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:You know who he is?
Speaker B:I looked it up, but I didn't recognize him.
Speaker A:He played Rack and Buffy.
Speaker A:He was the magic drug dealer that got Willow high on drugs.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:How'd I miss that?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know how.
Speaker A:I guess you didn't dig down.
Speaker A:He has a really long.
Speaker B:He was in a lot of things.
Speaker B:I was like, this guy's been in everything, and I don't recognize happening.
Speaker A:He has had everything.
Speaker A:But he creeps the out of super creepy.
Speaker A:Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker A:So I automatically look at him and I'm like, nah, you're gonna do something gross.
Speaker A:You're gonna, like, sell Willow for magic.
Speaker A:And, you know.
Speaker B:Anyways, okay, so his name is Randall in this series, but in this episode.
Speaker B:So anyway, so the prisoner is like, sees this.
Speaker B:He's like, what the fuck?
Speaker B:So he starts, like, trying to wave down the security.
Speaker B:The guard, the prison guard.
Speaker B:This is a.
Speaker B:This is a county jail, not a prison, just to be clear.
Speaker B:Also, that's kind of an annoyance for me.
Speaker B:But that's neither here nor there right now.
Speaker B:And People aren't usually doing like a hard time in a county detention.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, if you get.
Speaker A:Okay, so as someone who is obsessed with prison and prison shows and lockup shows.
Speaker A:So if you look at something like Loose Sterg in Dallas.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is basically the same idea.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's a county, but you go to county while you're waiting for your trial to come so you can be there for years because you were just waiting for things to go.
Speaker A:So it's still a county jail and not technically a prison, but it functions as one.
Speaker A:So you're still going to have your long term people that are in there.
Speaker A:You're still going to have your CEOs.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, you still have some of that for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:It's just like they try to.
Speaker B:Try to imply that it was.
Speaker B:I thought.
Speaker B:I felt the episode implied they were there longer term than that.
Speaker B:But that's, you know.
Speaker A:Well, I can see that as your interpretation.
Speaker A:And I thought about this too.
Speaker A:But later on, when they're talking to Randall, he talks about how he's been in and out, Right.
Speaker A:So it's likely he's going.
Speaker A:And that's what they tell Dean and them too, right, that they're going there in order to wait before they get moved to a prison to extradite.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right, well, maybe that makes me feel a little better then.
Speaker B:But still, it seemed this just struck me.
Speaker B:I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:So the guard comes running to see what Randall's yelling at.
Speaker B:And the guard just tells Randall to go.
Speaker B:Go to sleep and calls lights out.
Speaker B:And as the guard is trying to go back to his watch post, what happens?
Speaker B:Oh, he gets the door.
Speaker B:The sliding prison, like bars slide shut on his arm.
Speaker B:And then you just see, like, him looking terrified and screaming.
Speaker B:And obviously the implication is he dead.
Speaker A:Don't be a dick ghost eat you if you're a dick, man.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I'm not saying that you have to.
Speaker A:As a CEO, you should be nice to all of your prisoners.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:Randall is not a ball of fucking sunshine.
Speaker A:But you're kind of addicted, so, yeah, you get your arm slammed also.
Speaker A:I was like, why was this one cell just open?
Speaker A:Like, that was weird.
Speaker B:I think it was the door to the block is the implication.
Speaker B:Kind of made it look.
Speaker B:But that also didn't make sense because the other end of the block, it was like a door.
Speaker B:Door.
Speaker B:I thought so.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That was weird.
Speaker B:So we get the.
Speaker B:We cut to the Arkansas Museum of Anthropology.
Speaker B:Three months later.
Speaker B:And we see, you know, good old fashioned Winchester breaking and entering.
Speaker B:Like they do.
Speaker B:That's what they do, apparently.
Speaker B:Interesting choice.
Speaker B:Sam just keeps talking about how he hates this plan.
Speaker B:Dean doesn't like plan either, but they're going for it.
Speaker B:So they're, you know, hunting around the museum, stealing shit.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden they are very easily busted by police on both sides.
Speaker B:So they get arrested.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is an anthropological museum in Arkansas.
Speaker A:That is a lot of force to get to for the Anthropological Museum of Arkansas.
Speaker A:Like, this was not the Smithsonian.
Speaker B:Don't have anything else to do.
Speaker A:I spent a lot of time in Arkansas and not of my own free will.
Speaker A:People paid me to be there.
Speaker A:I was not there for free.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:There are some pretty places in Arkansas.
Speaker B:It's a very beautiful state in a lot of ways.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's also really shitty in a lot of ways.
Speaker A:And that museum would not have even had a security alert.
Speaker A:It would have had like, you know, an alarm at the door.
Speaker A:There wouldn't be motion sensors in there.
Speaker A:They'd be lucky they got a ring place in there.
Speaker A:Anyways, they have no funding.
Speaker A:It's Arkansas.
Speaker A:Who's paying funding for museums anyways?
Speaker A:So they get arrested.
Speaker B:So they're arrested.
Speaker B:Dean makes a Blue steel joke for his mug shot.
Speaker B:I was entertained.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so on the mug shot time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So when the mug shots are taken, Dean's height appears to be 6 3.
Speaker A:Because he tilts his head back in profile, but he.
Speaker A:He's just over 6 foot 6 foot 2.
Speaker A:And Sam is slouching slightly.
Speaker A:Slightly.
Speaker A:And his thing says that he's six foot five.
Speaker A:And the crown of his head reaches six, six.
Speaker A:Okay, so Jensen's actually six one and Jared six four.
Speaker A:So they just kept.
Speaker A:You know, those numbers were not.
Speaker A:They did not measure accurately.
Speaker B:Oh, how dare they?
Speaker B:How dare they?
Speaker B:Well, they.
Speaker B:We've got Dean in the interrogation room and bum, bum, bum, who walks in Agent Hendrickson from the FBI guy.
Speaker B:And they're like, oh.
Speaker B:Because this is the guy who at the bank heist knew all about the Winchester brothers and knew all about John and wants to fucking take them down.
Speaker B:And so I'm like, God damn it, this can be stressful now.
Speaker B:So he's got his Agent Reedy, who's like the other agent with Agent Hendrickson.
Speaker A:Who's this little bitch.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what that guy looks like.
Speaker A:Yeah, Henderson's little bitch.
Speaker A:That's what we're gonna call him for the rest of this episode.
Speaker A:Okay, go on.
Speaker B:So he starts reading off the charges, mail fraud, credit card fraud, grave desecration, armed robbery, kidnapping, three counts of first degree murder.
Speaker B:And now Sam is also a suspect as well in the murder.
Speaker A:I was trying to figure out what the murders were.
Speaker A:So the shapeshifter, I think, killed two people at the first one and then one murder at the robbery.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I didn't do the math.
Speaker A:I don't want to do supernatural math.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't know if I trust supernatural math, but.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker B:So Agent Henderson basically says, like, I'm surprised you got tripped up by a stupid motion detector at super fucking rookie.
Speaker B:What the hell kind of a deal.
Speaker B:But so he's a little suspicious of the fact I felt that Dean got tripped up by it.
Speaker B:And then I'm like, ah, Dean's obviously like, we're obviously suspicious too, as viewers.
Speaker B:Why they got tripped up by this.
Speaker B:This is dumb.
Speaker B:Then enter Mara Daniels, public defender.
Speaker B:And so she.
Speaker A:I'm also suspicious that this public defender doesn't suck.
Speaker B:Well, she's very timely.
Speaker B:She's very, very early in this process, and she's very proactive.
Speaker B:I'm not saying there aren't wonderful people who donate their time to be public defenders.
Speaker B:I'm just saying that this seemed a little out of the norm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Again, Arkansas public defenders.
Speaker A:Not saying I don't have a lot of faith in your justice system, Arkansas, but, you know.
Speaker B:Well, she insists that she needs to meet with the brothers privately right away.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, so she explains to them that they're on basically being held to see a judge on Tuesday.
Speaker B:There's extra.
Speaker B:Extradition orders for them in five different states.
Speaker B:And she can stall for like a week or less before they get, like, transferred to one of these other states where all these charges are pending against them.
Speaker A:Also, really fast for extradition papers too, by the way.
Speaker A:Very.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:So they are transported to the Green River County Jail or detention center.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Where this.
Speaker B:Where we saw the scene occur at the intro of the episode.
Speaker B:They're assigned very awkwardly to separate cells.
Speaker B:And you get this just basically like.
Speaker B:I don't know, there's not even like, a lot.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So we get like an awkward, stereotypical prison scene where they go to different cells and they have very, like, unapproachable, slightly scary roommates.
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then they're basically.
Speaker B:They're talking Dean, Sam, super worried at this point.
Speaker B:And this is where they really break down what the plan is.
Speaker B:And obviously the plan is Dean.
Speaker B:Dean and Sam got arrested on purpose.
Speaker B:To track down this ghost, they need to hunker down.
Speaker B:Dean makes jokes about hunkering down, getting teardrop tattoos, but he's confident that their escape plan will work.
Speaker B:So they intentionally got arrested.
Speaker B:I don't think that Agent Henriksen was part of their plan.
Speaker B:I think that is a major hiccup in their plan.
Speaker B:They thought they were in a small town.
Speaker B:They were just going to pop in, go get arrested, do this shit, you know, stop this ghost, and then get the fuck out.
Speaker B:But having an FBI having the feds on their ass is probably less than ideal.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So again, Arkansas, you're processing fingerprints really quickly.
Speaker A:And you know, for a small.
Speaker A:This wasn't like Little Rock.
Speaker A:I don't think that.
Speaker A:This was probably a small podunk town in Arkansas.
Speaker A:I'm like, wow.
Speaker B:I mean, they had a museum, so I mean, it might have been Little Rock area.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then they make a bad Texas joke I was irritated about, but that's me.
Speaker A:Well, I know you're irritated, but it's funny because.
Speaker B:Yeah, because it's.
Speaker B:Because they are from Texas, so it's right.
Speaker B:I know, but also, like, especially so next level here, then complaining about jail versus prison.
Speaker B:If this is a county detention center, while they're waiting to be transferred, they're waiting for trial.
Speaker B:These people technically are all innocent.
Speaker B:Everybody in this facility would be technically innocent because they have not been proven guilty in a court of law unless they pled guilty and are waiting to be transferred to their prison of some kind.
Speaker A:Which is a possibility.
Speaker B:But either way, that's probably the minority.
Speaker B:So the joke, the Texas joke, in case you missed it, was, you know, Sam's very.
Speaker B:You know, Dean saying four innocent people died.
Speaker B:Sam laughs at that.
Speaker B:And Dean says, what, are you, from Texas all of a sudden?
Speaker B:Just blame the people in jail doesn't mean.
Speaker B:Or just because people are in jail doesn't mean they deserve to die.
Speaker A:And that's fair.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very accurate.
Speaker B:Just because they're in jail, I mean, they deserve to die.
Speaker A:That's a fair statement.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If you were incarcerated, you did not deserve to be haunted by a ghost and have her slap your chest and, like, fill your veins with black goo.
Speaker A:I think that violates a guilt.
Speaker B:I think there's like, some, like, civil liberties issues.
Speaker A:There will be all over this way.
Speaker B:Due process is.
Speaker B:Is not part of this process.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And then this is where we hear about Deacon.
Speaker B:I know we've mentioned him now, but we get to really hear him about Him, Really?
Speaker B:For the first time, where Dean's like, look, we're doing this for Deacon, who's a friend of their dad.
Speaker A:Cats.
Speaker B:And also that sets off alarm bells for me, by the way now because we've had some weirdness with John.
Speaker B:So I'm just gonna throw out there that I'm like, oh, great.
Speaker B:So this dumbass plan where they go to jail and now the FBI is back on their trail is to go to do like a favor for their dad's friend.
Speaker B:This sounds awful.
Speaker A:Fair.
Speaker A:Good point.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But either way, because, like.
Speaker B:Because John didn't make great life choices and a lot of people he surrounded himself with probably did not either.
Speaker A:So he was a friend from the corps, not a hunter friend.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But obviously they kept in touch because he knew about the ghosties.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So either way, yeah, Dean likes prison food, Sam doesn't.
Speaker B:Shocking is, you know, continues the character trait of Sam being a big old little bitch, Sam being a bitch, and Dean liking food.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:Ta da.
Speaker B:So, and for prison food, it did not look terrible.
Speaker B:It really didn't.
Speaker B:It's like a pile of noodles and a piece of like, like mediocre baked chicken.
Speaker B:Oh, it's fine.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's no mold.
Speaker A:You're good.
Speaker B:So they've already figured out who the suspect that the spirit suspect is.
Speaker B:They think that it is this Mark Moody guy who is a psycho killer that had like, did like ritual satanic murderers.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Anyways, so Mad Eye Moody is the guy that they think is.
Speaker A:We got Mad Eye Moody, who's practiced Mad Eye Moody went to Satanism.
Speaker A:He became a serial killer.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:And basically I think there must be something in the old block keeping him there.
Speaker B:And then Sam doesn't watch where the fuck he's going and gets shoulder checked by another inmate because he didn't watch his personal space.
Speaker B:Which then means that he's going to get.
Speaker B:Well, he's going to get Dean in a prison fight.
Speaker B:We get a funny taxi driver joke in there though.
Speaker B:Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so they get, you know, there's.
Speaker B:There's a fight, this.
Speaker B:He fights this guy named Lucas.
Speaker B:Dean's just really cocky about it, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And then they both get sent to solitary, get pulled apart by some of the people from the prison and get sent to solitary.
Speaker B:And after they're gone, of course another inmate is a very large man, threatened Sam.
Speaker B:Because now that's of course what happens because Dean's not there to back him up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And this guy's name is Tiny.
Speaker A:Yeah, I love Tiny a lot.
Speaker B:Super.
Speaker B:I like tiny too.
Speaker A:He's adorable.
Speaker A:So Dean's in solitary and really wants to be Lucas's friend.
Speaker A:And he does this a lot.
Speaker A:Kind of.
Speaker A:This, like, he fucks with people.
Speaker A:And then he's like, just kidding.
Speaker B:We're buddies now, right?
Speaker B:That's like a thing.
Speaker A:Just, bro.
Speaker A:And with you, man.
Speaker B:Like, and they.
Speaker B:And they are not receptive to this because.
Speaker A:No, you just have to fight with me, dickhead.
Speaker A:Like, I don't want to be your friend.
Speaker A:This wasn't.
Speaker B:This wasn't a, like a playground scuffle.
Speaker B:This is like, we just got in a fucking fistfight.
Speaker B:We're both in solitary.
Speaker B:I'm not your bro.
Speaker B:Yeah, but you know, so we get.
Speaker B:He's trying to be buddies with Lucas.
Speaker B:And like I said, I thought the line was funny, so I'll repeat it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Dean says, I wish I had a baseball.
Speaker B:Like, something about like, Steve McQueen.
Speaker B:And Lucas says, what?
Speaker B:He's like, I wish I had a bat to pat your head in.
Speaker B:It's like, damn.
Speaker B:Okay, Lucas, definitely not Franz or a Steve McQueen fan.
Speaker B:So the lights flicker.
Speaker B:Cold air, the clock stops.
Speaker B:Oh, shit.
Speaker B:We know what that means.
Speaker B:It's a fucking ghost time.
Speaker B:And so the ghost.
Speaker B:So Dean's telling Lucas to stay still because he's hoping, I guess, that, like, if they don't get near or like, attract the ghost attention, that'll help.
Speaker B:I don't really know what staying still is going to do, but.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Has that ever worked?
Speaker A:Like, that's a new thing, Dean.
Speaker A:Like, don't see you if you don't move.
Speaker A:Like, is it a snake?
Speaker A:Now it's got, like, infrared heat.
Speaker A:And it's like watching it, but also, like, if someone tells me, hey, look out, I'm going to be like, what's what?
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:I'm going to look through the.
Speaker B:Don't look outside.
Speaker B:I'm looking outside immediately.
Speaker A:How do you not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyways, and you get some really, really, really scary eyes through the little door opening the little flap on the door.
Speaker B:And I didn't like the eyes.
Speaker B:They were very scary.
Speaker A:You have an eyes thing.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So Diana got a scary eye.
Speaker B:And then the ghost is in the cell and it grabs Lucas and you get another close up of scary eyes.
Speaker B:And I didn't like it.
Speaker B:And then all the veins in Lucas's face start getting filled with black goo.
Speaker B:And he yells a lot.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:So I was trying to figure out where I was going to put Lauren here.
Speaker A:And this seems like a good a time as any, just because, like, we could have.
Speaker A:I could have done this in the first, like, minute of this.
Speaker A:But, yeah, let's do it in the middle.
Speaker A:So, Lore.
Speaker A:All right, so obviously there are a number of haunted prisons, and I know shocking.
Speaker A:So, of course, when my house cleaners came today, I'm sure they enjoyed all my.
Speaker A:Why are there so many books about prisons everywhere?
Speaker A:So now she's got demons and like.
Speaker A:And prisons.
Speaker B:Like, what.
Speaker A:What the fuck is happening here, dad?
Speaker B:Some love after lockup and you'll be ready to go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:Not love after lockup.
Speaker A:The prison.
Speaker A:Prison matchmaking.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:I could not watch it.
Speaker A:I couldn't do it.
Speaker A:I tried.
Speaker A:I tried really hard.
Speaker A:And he was.
Speaker A:It was so terrible.
Speaker A:But there was a.
Speaker A:There is a new prison show.
Speaker A:I really like that in maybe in Arkansas.
Speaker A:Arkansas or Mississippi.
Speaker A:And it's about this whole new, like, reformation program they're trying to do, like, basically giving people an alternative for, you know, you can actually learn how to recover from your drug addictions as opposed to sending you off.
Speaker A:And it's actually.
Speaker A:It's really interesting and good.
Speaker B:That sounds very uplifting and not very trashy at all like the other shows.
Speaker A:It's still.
Speaker A:It's still.
Speaker A:Obviously, there's a bit of that, you know, watching people in jail type of porn thing, you know, so.
Speaker A:But it's also there.
Speaker A:It's a lot of human interest.
Speaker A:So I like that show.
Speaker A:So I went through a number of prisons, and I did not actually go through a number of prisons, shockingly.
Speaker A:I've just been really lucky, and I've never actually been inside prison.
Speaker A:But after going through things, what I finally decided on was Joliet Prison.
Speaker A:So Joliet is in Illinois, and it was one of the longest running prisons in the country and is full of fucking ghosties.
Speaker A: It operated from: Speaker A:So that is a long time.
Speaker A:Went from early years up until modern prison, right?
Speaker A:So we got.
Speaker A:We got all of that in there.
Speaker A:It's very well known.
Speaker A:Like, you have seen this prison before.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:The most famous version of it is the opening of the Blues Brothers where they walk out.
Speaker A:That's exactly where my.
Speaker B:Exactly where my brain went.
Speaker A:So, yeah, Prison Break was filmed there also.
Speaker A:I watched this really terrible Dax Shepard, Will Arnett movie this weekend called let's Go to Prison.
Speaker B:I love that movie so much.
Speaker B:So happy with his Fresca.
Speaker A:With this Fresca So which is actually based on.
Speaker B:In little baby ducks and little baby.
Speaker A:Ducks, which is actually based off of nonfiction book like that somebody wrote, how to survive in Prison.
Speaker A:But anyhow, that was all filmed at Joliet, too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, I like, I love this.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:It was a good waste of time.
Speaker A:By the time my brain was fried on Sunday, I was like, so Here, watch.
Speaker A:Fucking Dr. Shepard.
Speaker A:I think this is fine.
Speaker A:It's also, like, it's really famous for being haunted.
Speaker A:And every big paranormal show has done episodes there.
Speaker A:Zach Biggins has been there, and of course, he got all.
Speaker A:I am possessed.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:I'm feeling so sick.
Speaker A:Destination Fear filmed there.
Speaker A:And it was actually.
Speaker A:That was a fun episode.
Speaker A:And also they had.
Speaker A:For this was the state prison outside of Chicago.
Speaker A:So with that length of time, there are tons of famous people that have been there.
Speaker A:And everyone from Baby Face Nelson to Richard Speck, who is the best serial killer, who I almost talked about.
Speaker A:And John Wayne Gacy was there, too, so.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:I was like, I'm sick of talking, like, everybody talks about those guys.
Speaker A:And I think what people.
Speaker A:A lot of people don't know is that there were women in this prison.
Speaker A:So I want to talk about just that prison from a women's perspective.
Speaker A:And then we'll get into some spooky stuff.
Speaker A:And what's happening right now with that, with the women's prison itself, which I think is also really interesting.
Speaker A:So just to give you, like, the general background of Joliet.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And they were actually brought there to build the prison.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:Joliet is made out of limestone, which is something that is well thought in the paranormal world to be really good conductor for ghosts and spirits already.
Speaker A:But it's also.
Speaker A:Juliet is on a limestone quarry.
Speaker B:Wait, isn't limestone the same thing as Austin Stone?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what my house is made out of?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Okay, we gotta sell the house.
Speaker A:Moving on.
Speaker B:Okay, sorry.
Speaker A:So these guys kind of basically have to dig up the rock from the quarry and then build the prison around them.
Speaker A:So they're building themselves into the prison.
Speaker B:That's fucking dark.
Speaker A:That's like, dark as shit.
Speaker A:Like, you are building the drone prison.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And, you know, as you.
Speaker A:You obviously.
Speaker A:You recognize that, you know, it was designed to look like a castle.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So it's really.
Speaker A:It's a really pretty building.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And of course, you know, they build it.
Speaker A:And it was supposed to be this huge thing, and Then, of course, it immediately gets overcrowded.
Speaker A:It was also used to house Confederate soldiers during the Civil War.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker A:At that time, they had both basically, you know, the civilian prisoners and also the prisoners of war.
Speaker A:So that leads to.
Speaker A:I mean, from.
Speaker A:If you're looking for supernatural things, you know, pun intended.
Speaker A:That's kind of like you're just ripe, right?
Speaker A:You've got a bunch of, like, gross soldiers.
Speaker A:Not saying.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, people who are out of work.
Speaker A:Soldiers are gross.
Speaker A:Especially them.
Speaker A:They were all, like, dirty and disgusting and dying and, you know, and then you have like.
Speaker A:Well, they were all dying.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:No, that's just.
Speaker B:Soldiers are just gross.
Speaker B:It's just funny.
Speaker A:As Diana is a.
Speaker A:Is or was a soldier, she's like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Well, I've been.
Speaker B:I've been pretty gross when I was doing.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Especially during.
Speaker A:Then not known for being sanitary.
Speaker B:No, they weren't.
Speaker B:They weren't really focused on the importance of changing your socks.
Speaker B:Like, the modern military is.
Speaker A:Oh, God, those socks had to be foul.
Speaker A:That's probably what's haunting the whole place.
Speaker A:It's just their socks running around.
Speaker A:And, like, it's just a little bit blood.
Speaker B:Right there's the stent and a little bit of blood.
Speaker B:Blood residue on their socks.
Speaker B:And that's what holds their spirit there.
Speaker A:You have to burn all the socks.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:So, but so during the 19th century, much like in the rest of the country, female prisoners were incarcerated just alongside the men.
Speaker A:But they actually didn't even have, like, a separate place for them to be.
Speaker A:They were just men and women were in the same place.
Speaker A: en actually came to Joliet in: Speaker A:And they were like, hey, you can cook and clean.
Speaker A:So they were brought into cook and clean for the prisoners.
Speaker A:As they were building things, they were also doing other tasks for the administration.
Speaker A:Just women work, whatever.
Speaker B:So just to give you all these papers.
Speaker B:Filed real good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A: And between: Speaker A:And so a lot of this next section is going to come from a really fantastic article by El Mara Dodge.
Speaker A:And she had some really great insights and just how, you know, what life was like for them.
Speaker B:Mara, for the name, Mara.
Speaker B:There we Go.
Speaker A:Yeah, very convenient.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not a super common name.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what's really interesting, you think about how women were thought of in, you know, this is Victorian time, you know, to be a woman who goes to prison, you are automatically, like, just confounding because, you know, like, this is not how a genteel woman is supposed to be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And according to Dodge, because women were viewed as being more pure and moral by nature than men, the women who dared to stray or fall from her elevated pedestal was regarded as having fallen a greater distance than a male, and hence as being beyond any possibility of reformation.
Speaker A:The Illinois Penitentiary commissioners reflected this popular attitude when they wrote that women prisoners were generally regarded as the most degraded of their sex, if not humane.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:The people who are running the prisons are like, no, you know, they're already, like, they're not women.
Speaker A:They suck.
Speaker A:And they're.
Speaker A:Because you're supposed to be our guiding lambs, right?
Speaker A:They're supposed to, you know, be, you know, but they're also worse than the men because they fell so far from grace.
Speaker A:So as a surprise to nobody, if there were issues with the women and the men in prison, they blame to the women because they were degenerate.
Speaker A:So there's all these women's fault.
Speaker A: the conditions were, up until: Speaker A:So again, according to Dodge, for an annual sum, the lessee was responsible for providing for the physical, medical, and spiritual needs of the convict population in return for any and all profits that he could realize from the use or contracting out of their labor.
Speaker A:Under this system, it was in his financial interest to expend only the minimum required to bear human maintenance on their food, clothing, and medical treatment.
Speaker A:So basically, you were doing a bunch of work for the prison.
Speaker A:I want to make a profit.
Speaker A:I'm going to make more profit if I don't spend any money on your free.
Speaker A: And so in: Speaker A:Let's go to private contractors.
Speaker A:Which I think, if you think about today's penal system, you know, where that can be an issue, because still, profit is the goal.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So conditions weren't that great and not obviously not that different from today.
Speaker A:Most of the women in prison were from poor and marginalized populations.
Speaker A:And like I said, this was outside of Chicago.
Speaker A: So up until: Speaker A: nts to Chicago Although after: Speaker A:Others were characterized as notorious speak thieves or professional shoplifters, while a much smaller percentage were prostitutes who had robbed from their client.
Speaker A:There's one story I read about a woman who was in prison for like one to like 20 years for stealing a fucking shawl.
Speaker A:She took a shawl and was in prison.
Speaker A:There was another one, he was in there for stealing chickens.
Speaker A:Like, it's fucking bizarre.
Speaker A:But anyhow, so the people who run the prison are also just like, we don't know what to do with these women because they're not genteel, you know, spiritual leaders.
Speaker A:Like, what do we do?
Speaker A:And so this, quote, female prisoners purported vulgarity, loudness, boisterous behavior, lewdness, laughter, taunting, jesting, play, insubordination, sexual assertiveness, homosexuality, and the rejection of decorum and feminine standards of modesty, hygiene and dress confounded and unsettled both male and female prison officials in ways that were not available to male prisoners.
Speaker A:All these hussies, they're so lean and they're fucking each other too.
Speaker A:So, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:So the original structure of Juliet was built to include a 100 cell, the female prison within the main prison yard.
Speaker A:And that was surrounded by another yard.
Speaker A:So within, like the structure of, of the buildings, there's another building inside.
Speaker A:It's got a yard around it.
Speaker A:And so there's a two story building in there.
Speaker A:And that was the female workshop, shop.
Speaker A: And that was completed in: Speaker A:For a while there was also used for the men while the rest of the prison was built because overcrowding and there really weren't that many women that were getting sent there.
Speaker A:There was a dozen female convicts.
Speaker A:And up until that, that women's section got finished, they were basically confined to one room.
Speaker A:And that room was their working, eating and sleeping place.
Speaker A:And so it was unhealthy and disgusting because you had 12 women living in one room doing everything in there.
Speaker A: So finally, in: Speaker A:And there are about two deaths and about 24.
Speaker A:And they were moved to their intended prison.
Speaker A: And they were there until: Speaker A: And in: Speaker A:He was like, you know what?
Speaker A:We need another unit outside of this, of the prison because we have space for all these men.
Speaker A:And because, quote, no degree of vigilance secures a great mass of prisoners from the pernicious influence of these females.
Speaker A:It is the bane, in fact, of morality among our men.
Speaker A:And the prison doctor also thought the women were the cause of the prevailing habit of self abuse, AKA masturbation among the convicts.
Speaker A:He judged this habit to be widespread and direct cause of 5,6 of the disease I have had under treatment.
Speaker A:Treatment, as well as the man's purportedly low productivity at work.
Speaker A:So the men are jacking off because the women are there.
Speaker A:No, men are jacking off because men jack off.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is what they do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, you know, of course, like, the bitches are there and this is all these hussies.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:All their fault.
Speaker A:So the women, how dare they be there?
Speaker A:How dare they be inside their wall, inside their wall, causing men to touch themselves inappropriately or appropriately.
Speaker A:Dep.
Speaker A:The women were also accused of being in constant communication with the men, being held responsible for, you know, all the secret contrivances, the plotting.
Speaker A:And because there's a lot of escapes from Joliet, there's some really good stories.
Speaker A:I highly recommend everybody dig into Joliet and look at all the prison escapes that happened there.
Speaker A:Some of them, that which were fleeing through the suburban town of Joliet, like, were CEOs, are chasing people down and shooting in the streets.
Speaker A:Content.
Speaker B:Stay down.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:I saw a very.
Speaker A:I sent Diane on this very bizarre picture of this real estate woman who had a clickbait video of the top five reasons not to move to Juliet.
Speaker A:And I thought it was going to be like, some trash talking, but it was just one of those.
Speaker A:Our schools are really good.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:And then she had, like, these awful filler lips with, like, this terrible, like, huge gloss in them.
Speaker A:And I just look like.
Speaker A:Like a plastic surgeon vomiting collagen all over her face.
Speaker A:And it was so gross.
Speaker B:So glossy.
Speaker A:So glossy.
Speaker A:That bitch is never going to listen to our program.
Speaker A:So I don't feel bad for shaving her for her terrible lip choices anyhow.
Speaker A:Okay, so they're complaining because men are jacking off.
Speaker A:Women are talking to them, and they're like, oh, they're in constant communication.
Speaker A:They're plotting things.
Speaker A:And so there's another reason why they're like, you know what the reason they're probably talking to each other.
Speaker A:A number of the people that were in the prison were recently freed African American women.
Speaker A:And the evidence suggests that most of these incarcerated black women were former slaves.
Speaker A:They just entered the state.
Speaker A:They were the youngest ever incarcerated.
Speaker A:They were 42% were teenagers, in contrast to 16% of the white prisoners were teenagers also.
Speaker A:They were generally sentenced with two to three others, both male and female, which basically hints that the African Americans, as they were coming into the state, were being watched really hard by people who didn't want them there.
Speaker A:And then also, so they were being sentenced for really minor crimes like the shawl.
Speaker A:The shawl was one of these.
Speaker A:But also the people they were, because of those two or three other people they were being, you know, being tried with are their brothers and their husbands and their cousins, the people they traveled with.
Speaker A:So of course they're fucking talking to them.
Speaker A:You put me in jail with my brother.
Speaker A:I'm going to try and talk to my brother.
Speaker A:Like, that's just.
Speaker A:That is just natural.
Speaker A:But eventually they're like, you know what?
Speaker A:We got to take these bitches out of here.
Speaker A:Causing too much trouble.
Speaker A:We haven't got that other prison built, so let's just put them at the top of the warden's house.
Speaker A:So they moved these 24 women to the fourth floor of the administration building and basically cut off every avenue of communication with them.
Speaker A:They were totally isolated, with no contact between male prisoners or prison staff.
Speaker A:They were not allowed outside except for once a year on the 4th of July, where they let roulette out in the yard.
Speaker A:While they were up there, they couldn't speak.
Speaker A:All they could do is perform contract knitting and manufacturing and doing all the knitting and the sewing for the male convent.
Speaker A:So they're basically just being kept in one area.
Speaker A:Can't talk.
Speaker A:All they can do is sew and.
Speaker A:Which sounds like fucking hell to me.
Speaker A:I'm like, you're gonna make.
Speaker A:I love sewing.
Speaker A:Don't get me wrong.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Do I want to fucking knit all day?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And so they.
Speaker A:People said, you can walk by the windows and look at the fourth floor, and there would just be all these chairs that were lined up in a row, and these women would just be looking out the window as they're just knitting away.
Speaker A:So you talk about something that's likely stirring up something that's going to cause some spookiness in a place.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Make a bunch of pissed off women sit in a row for, like, years and do nothing but sit.
Speaker B:So you're gonna get some ghosts in silence?
Speaker A:Yeah, in silence.
Speaker A:No, I would be haunting the shit out of that place.
Speaker A:I would be like.
Speaker A:I would be stabbing people with knitting needles.
Speaker A:Like, it would be on.
Speaker B:There'd be a lot of yelling at night because silence doesn't work for me.
Speaker B:So I'd have to get mad about that part, man.
Speaker A:It's I can't even.
Speaker A:I can't process.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:Street.
Speaker A:So they finally get let out of their fourth floor and moved across the street.
Speaker A:There are a number of fascinating women that were kept in the jail, in the prison, including poisoners.
Speaker A:A lot of spiritualists were there, including ones who performing rituals in their cells.
Speaker A:So, you know, lots of raising, you know, candles being lit and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker A:Also, one of the women who helped to inspire Chicago was there, the vampire queen of Chicago.
Speaker A:One day we'll talk about her.
Speaker A:She is fucking great because to the fucking vampire queen of Chicago.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:So good.
Speaker A:But we.
Speaker A:I had to keep this somewhat short, so we're not here until tomorrow.
Speaker A:So I'm going to.
Speaker A:Instead of talking about the prisoners, I'm going to talk about one of the main deaths of a female that occurred inside the warden's house.
Speaker A:So this is after, I believe, after the women have been moved across.
Speaker A:And this woman was actually the one warden's wife.
Speaker A:So Odette Maisie Bordeaux.
Speaker A:What a great name.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker A:So she was known as the angel of Joliet because she had a beautiful singing voice and she was a star on the stage in New Orleans.
Speaker A:So people would come from round to far to hear her sing in New Orleans.
Speaker A:And Warden Edmund Ned Allen was down there at a prison conference and he met Odette and they got married and so he brought her up to John.
Speaker B:That's quite the Southern name for being in Juliet.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's not a. I guess it could be a northern name, but Maisie as a middle name, it's M A I Z E E. It's so cool.
Speaker A:So they moved.
Speaker A:They moved to Joliet and they lived in this administrative building which is the same place where the women originally were.
Speaker A: Yeah, this is: Speaker A:So they, the women are already gone.
Speaker A:So they're in there.
Speaker A:And so all the people who are attending to them are all convicts of the prison.
Speaker A:Like their staff is just, you know, murderers and shit, you know, like you.
Speaker A:Nothing wrong with that, you know.
Speaker A: ,: Speaker A:And so they, he went to Chicago and they were supposed to go.
Speaker A:Him and Odette were supposed to go off basically on a vacation or something.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And Odette decided that she was going to go the next day because she had two new dresses that her dressmaker hadn't finished and she wanted to take them with her.
Speaker A:This is much like us waiting to go on vacation and, you know, wanting like Sourpuss to deliver our packages to.
Speaker B:Deliver like matching dresses tonight.
Speaker A:Diane and I are twinsies.
Speaker A:Yes, we are wearing matching dresses tonight that we both got from Sourpuss.
Speaker A:Sourpuss sponsor us.
Speaker A:So please, please just give me more discounts because I, I always buy your stuff and it's not on sale.
Speaker A:And then like a day later, like, Damn it, everything's 25% off.
Speaker A:So I, I understand Odette being like, honey, I'll be there tomorrow.
Speaker A:I want my new dresses.
Speaker A:So she's living there with also his two stepchildren.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:They had, didn't have kids together, but he had two kids from a previous marriage.
Speaker A:Marriage.
Speaker A:And so she decides that they're going to go to the movies.
Speaker A: ovies, they come back, and at: Speaker A:And according to their house boy, Joe Campbell, also known as Chicken Joe, he went on duty at 5:30 on Sunday.
Speaker A:Now, Chicken Joe was a 29 year old murderer from Chicago, but Odette had personally chosen him.
Speaker A:So I guess she was like, I will forgive your murder like your chickens.
Speaker A:Or I don't know why he was called Chicken Joe.
Speaker A:So according to him, she took a shine to him.
Speaker A:She took a shine.
Speaker A:And according to Chicken Joe, at 6am, Odette rings her bell and he came in and he filled her water container on her nightstand.
Speaker A:She asked for the coffee in the newspaper, which he delivered.
Speaker A:And then she said, you can go away, you know, you don't need to come back until nine.
Speaker A:And when I plan to shampoo.
Speaker A:She planned to shampoo her hair, which makes me wonder if she thought if Joe was shampooing her hair, which is weird.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or she, or she was fucking Joe.
Speaker A:And he was.
Speaker A:She was also like, hey, can you take Mike, my terrier puppy, outside to play?
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:That puppy's name is Mike.
Speaker B:So people named for dogs are great.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So according to Joe, that was at 6.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So at 6:30, guards started noticing smoke coming from warden's quarters.
Speaker A:They ran out to the second floor, discovered the smoke was coming from her bedroom, which was locked.
Speaker A:They broke down the door.
Speaker A:It took firefighters 10 minutes to get the flames out.
Speaker A:Once the smoke was cleared, they saw that it had just been on her bed.
Speaker A:She was dead on the bed.
Speaker A:Her body was badly burned, but investigators were able to tell that her skull had been crushed by a blood instrument and they suspected that she had been sexually molested.
Speaker A:They said the fire had been Started by a jug of wood alcohol, which was stored in the bedroom closet, which is clearly where you keep your wood alcohol.
Speaker A:I don't know why your wood alcohol is in the closet, but whatever.
Speaker A:So immediately they're like, Chicken Joe, right?
Speaker B:Obviously, it's the murderer that helps take care of her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's also.
Speaker A:There were two other houseboys that were on duty.
Speaker A:All three were put into isolation.
Speaker A:And so then, you know, the warden comes back.
Speaker A:One of the things, though, that they thought was suspicious was that Odette did not like to get up early.
Speaker A:And he was like, why would she be up at 6?
Speaker A:Like, she doesn't give a fuck about the news.
Speaker A:Like, but unless, like, she got up early because she was going out of town.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So it's possible.
Speaker A:So the people of the prison loved Odette, but they also really loved her husband.
Speaker B:So the warden, they liked the warden, too.
Speaker B:They didn't just love her.
Speaker A:Her.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the warden had instituted a lot of changes within the prison, including establishing this honor system, which allowed them to do things like drive Odette to town, you know, so you could.
Speaker A:You can get jobs, you get privileges if you're, like, doing things that were great.
Speaker A:So they're terrified that this is going to be, you know, the honor system has failed.
Speaker A:It's going to get taken away.
Speaker A:So the convicts start rioting in the dining room and the dining room of the prison, and they're like, give us candidates.
Speaker A:And so they wanted to fucking lynch him and just kill him on the spot, but so they were calmed.
Speaker A:Odette was buried in the back of Oakwood Cemetery on that Tuesday, the city closed down for her funeral.
Speaker A:She had seven carloads of flowers that were left in her grave.
Speaker A:That's a buttload of flowers.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:So Chicken Joe does maintain his innocence.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But the investigation by the local police, prison officials, and private dicks.
Speaker A:Detectives, like, saying private dicks.
Speaker A:There is really no, like, evidence against him, but they're like, there's enough circumstantial evidence.
Speaker A:And they convicted him on that.
Speaker A:He was sentenced to death, but the governor actually intervened and changed his sentence to life in prison.
Speaker A: And he died at Joliet in: Speaker A:Of all the prisoners think you fucked up his life, because one of the things that ended up happening was that he actually wanted to stay there, like, but just there was a lot of politics that were involved, and so he ended up leaving.
Speaker A:They ended up actually bringing in, like, an interim warden and the war.
Speaker A:That one didn't want to change that.
Speaker A:Like, things just got really shitty after that.
Speaker A:Like, they were.
Speaker A:Things were kind of good for a while and they got worse again.
Speaker A:Joliet is known as like one of the hardest places to do time in Illinois way.
Speaker A:There's all sorts of blues songs that are written about it.
Speaker A:Some really good stuff too.
Speaker A:But anyways, no one really knows, like, whether or not Tripping Joe is the one.
Speaker A:So we have an unsolved murder of a woman in a house.
Speaker A:So we of course need some spooky because this is us, right?
Speaker B:There's something in the house.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So is Odette one of the many Joliet ghosts?
Speaker A:So the present cemetery does have a woman and white, but they don't know if that's her.
Speaker A:They think that could also be someone who died in the woman's prison or the wife or the lover of someone who was killed, who was killed by one of the inmates.
Speaker A:But also in the rooms where Odette died, people see shadows and figures.
Speaker A:Lights in the window could be seen even after the prison was closed.
Speaker A: And in: Speaker A:So lots and lots of ghosties there.
Speaker A:They said you can watch any of the paranormal shows and you'll see like the evil black demon that runs like blackness through there.
Speaker A:He's fun, no?
Speaker A:So the grounds of Jolie at the main present have been open for tourists for a while, but you can't go into the internal ones because of COVID so.
Speaker A:But do you want to see the inside of the women's President prison?
Speaker A:Because you can.
Speaker A:Because tickets are now on sale for the newest haunted house attraction in Joliet.
Speaker A:And that is a haunted house presented by 13th Floor Entertainment Company.
Speaker A:The old haunted Joliet Prison, the women's prison is now a fucking legit Halloween haunted house by 13th floor.
Speaker A:You know, the one who does all of the main haunted houses across the U.S. they have a number of features on there called Ghost Chamber and Forsaken.
Speaker A:You can watch the videos of it.
Speaker A:They're also planning to have a gift shop on the site to sell merchandise, as well as an area for food and drinks.
Speaker A:So you can go get your ruin porn on and go gallivant and laugh through this place where, you know, thousands of women were incarcerated.
Speaker A:Lots of, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, that sounds shitty.
Speaker A:Sounds shitty to me.
Speaker B:I mean, I wouldn't go anyways because I don't like haunted houses.
Speaker A:But yeah, I know I would go.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:There's actually.
Speaker A:There's A new.
Speaker A:Like, I'm planning on going to the Austin.
Speaker A:There's like a.
Speaker A:Like, in Smithville, they have, like, four haunted houses.
Speaker A:Like, a bar in the middle of that one.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so I have a lot of.
Speaker A:Obviously, I have a lot of feelings about that, because to me, there's, like, you know, I get it.
Speaker A:We like the paranormal.
Speaker A: hen the prison closed down in: Speaker A:It just was shut down, right?
Speaker A:Like, it just was let.
Speaker A:So it really is urban blight, where you can.
Speaker A:You know, obviously it's covered in graffiti because everyone.
Speaker A:It's broken in and the plants have taken over, so it's really cool to look at.
Speaker A:At the same time, there's a bit of misery profit on this that I'm not entirely a fan of because just knowing, like, the shittiness of these people's lives that were there to go and, like, do this for your own entertainment, maybe even a little more morbid than for me.
Speaker A:So anyways, links will be up.
Speaker A:If you live in Chicago, you can go check it out.
Speaker A:If you go visit your brother in Chicago, you can go.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker A:Pass.
Speaker A:That's more.
Speaker B:Yeehaw.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Aren't you glad I cut out the 20 pages of other stories?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's a lot.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker B:All right, so now we have cut back to the Mara in this episode since we had Amara in your lore, which is not a super common name, so I was amused.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:And we see our FBI agents, AKA Agent Henriksen and his little bitches.
Speaker B:Agent, as I think you called him.
Speaker B:And Mara Daniels walks in, is like, look, y' all know there's a bunch of fucking inconsistencies in these cases against the brothers, right?
Speaker B:I mean, look, I've talked to this Baltimore cop.
Speaker B:She said they saved her life and helped her catch a killer.
Speaker B:And I talked to this witness in Milwaukee that said that they actually saved her.
Speaker B:And the Agent Hendrickson's like, yeah, those people are all fucking crazy.
Speaker B:This is bullshit.
Speaker B:These guys are bad guys.
Speaker B:Everywhere they go, people die.
Speaker B:That simple.
Speaker B:So obviously, we know that Hendriksen is not a super intuitive guy, that he is a very, very cut and dried.
Speaker B:Now also, I get like, you know, he's not privy to, like, there's a supernatural shit going on.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker B:But also, like.
Speaker B:But also, you know, like, just to assume that all the witnesses are crazy and, like, that, like, there's just, like, a little bit of, like, he's not.
Speaker B:He's a little too black and White.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Well, he's.
Speaker A:He's also very dismissive of her.
Speaker A:And I, I do.
Speaker A:I can sympathize with his like, you see, you know, you see enough.
Speaker A:Like, I can't.
Speaker B:Bad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like their names pop up at a number of things.
Speaker A:You're going to start being like, why is your name here?
Speaker A:However, you still talk to her like a dick.
Speaker A:When he was like, is like, the grownups are talking and trying to get some work done here.
Speaker A:I would have punched him and I would have.
Speaker B:I was so fucking condescending.
Speaker B:When she's like, it's just kind of strange.
Speaker B:He's like, well, we're gonna go to get some real work done.
Speaker B:I'm like, fudge this condescending asshole.
Speaker A:But yeah, yeah, no, I think you.
Speaker B:But then I also.
Speaker B:My.
Speaker B:My follow on note was also what A public defender actually have gone on her own to go meet with the FBI agents to chit chat about some inconsistencies in their case.
Speaker A:But also like, I'm just putting myself in Mara's shoes and probably you would do this as well.
Speaker A:Like, I would be really mad and yell at him and then go cry in the car.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:Duh.
Speaker B:And I would obsess over everything I had said for like two weeks.
Speaker B:Couldn't.
Speaker B:Wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking about replaying it in my head every night.
Speaker B:But yes, I would have yelled.
Speaker B:I would have cried in private.
Speaker B:Not where he could see, obviously.
Speaker B:And then I would have replayed the scene every night in my head when I was trying to go to bed for the next two weeks and obsessed about it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then I would have gotten invited.
Speaker A:Fired.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or something.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I would have made some complaints.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So there we go.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So Mario's crying in her car.
Speaker B:Yeah, because that's what we decided.
Speaker B:No, she's not.
Speaker B:Because she didn't say anything back to them.
Speaker B:She just took it.
Speaker B:So she's not crying in her car.
Speaker B:She should be crying in her car like a big girl that told the off.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Well, she's not also crying because she didn't tell them off.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker B:No, you're right.
Speaker B:She's crying in her car.
Speaker B:Either way.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker A:Either way.
Speaker B:Either way.
Speaker A:Sorry, I know.
Speaker A:Us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she.
Speaker B:That does not make her any less of a strong, independent woman.
Speaker B:That's just how she's processing her anger and expressing herself in private about her anger at a situation.
Speaker B:And that's okay.
Speaker A:It's okay.
Speaker A:It does not make you any less of a.
Speaker A:Of a Woman or less than a male prisoner or whatever, or not strong.
Speaker B:Or any of the.
Speaker B:Those things.
Speaker B:You are all those things still, but you care.
Speaker B:So we cut to Sam and Randall mopping the.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Sam's awkwardly, like, trying to, like, hey, trying to be buddies with him, and does not know how to do any of this small talk in prison, obviously, but does kind of get around asking about, how about a guard that had died.
Speaker B:Because he really knows that Randall was the one that had basically saw it happen, happen.
Speaker B:And Randall says that they say that the stress of the job got him.
Speaker B:So Sam kind of tries to, you know, prod a little bit more there, but, yeah, doesn't really.
Speaker B:Doesn't really work.
Speaker A:When Randall asked him, Sam, why he's inside, and Sam was like, I'm here because I have an idiot for a brother.
Speaker A:I was like, yeah, that's truth speaking.
Speaker A:Truth.
Speaker B:And Randall's like, kind of, like, makes sense.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But he says, but Randall does spill.
Speaker B:This block is nicer than the old one.
Speaker B:And so Sam kind of gets to ask about.
Speaker B:Sam uses that as a segue to ask about Mark Moody.
Speaker B:Mad Eye Moody.
Speaker B:Mad Eye Moody that they decided is the spirit.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But Randall's like, yeah, I was totally there when.
Speaker B:When he died, his heart definitely stopped after the guards stopped using his head for batting practice.
Speaker B:Moody didn't just have a heart attack and then just pops around causing heart attacks for people.
Speaker B:Moody got fucking killed by the guards.
Speaker B:And poor Randall had to help mop up the blood.
Speaker B:And they all kept their mouth shuts.
Speaker B:They didn't want to have peace, the same fate.
Speaker B:So now, because they figured out this point, like, I think we probably left out.
Speaker B:But anyways.
Speaker B:But then we figured out.
Speaker B:And like, y' all watch the episode.
Speaker B:So, you know, Moody is dead.
Speaker B:Moody was cremated.
Speaker B:Moody is who they believe is the spirit haunting them.
Speaker B:But what is tying Moody to the prison still?
Speaker B:Well, if there was a fucking ton of blood, there's probably still some blood somewhere.
Speaker B:That's my joke about military socks with blood in them anyways.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, yeah, and also concrete floors like that.
Speaker A:I watch enough forensic shows.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That just.
Speaker A:That's porous.
Speaker A:And it just sucked all that blood.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can lumen all that else.
Speaker A:I don't want to lumen all in prison.
Speaker A:That would be so gross.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Do not.
Speaker B:Do not.
Speaker A:Fluids.
Speaker A:All the fluids.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So let's transition from the fluids to Dean playing and playing poker in the yard.
Speaker B:So Dean, like, is, like, killing It.
Speaker B:Playing cards in the yard, making.
Speaker B:Making stacks of cigarettes.
Speaker B:So anyways, Sam basically fills in what has, you know, what's going on with the.
Speaker B:Sam fills Dean in a little bit on this.
Speaker B:I can't get it out.
Speaker A:So I was like, you get it.
Speaker B:Basically, Dean's going to make a deal with cigarettes to find out what's going on.
Speaker B:And they make a lot of movie references here.
Speaker B:It's just a lot.
Speaker B:So, yeah, there we go.
Speaker A:Well, I do.
Speaker A:Like, when Dean's like, wants to deal and he is just like, let's deal.
Speaker A:And, like, stands up like, it is pretty funny.
Speaker B:It's the currency of the realm, as he says in the scene too.
Speaker A:And back when you could still smoke in prison.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Now it would just be meth.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Ugh, gross.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now they've got a new plan.
Speaker B:Now Sam is super sure about this plan, but Dean is less than sure.
Speaker B:Dean goes and picks a fight with Tiny by making a bunch of, like, sits next to him and starts making a bunch of mean jokes about his weight, including, they're just donuts.
Speaker B:They aren't love.
Speaker B:Is one of the lines that he says.
Speaker A:Donuts are love.
Speaker B:They are so wrong.
Speaker B:Though I may have chuckled one of those laughs when you're like, oh, well, that's.
Speaker B:That's kind of funny.
Speaker B:Now I want dessert.
Speaker B:But also, that was really mean.
Speaker B:So obviously Tiny punches Dean and it's a big fight, but Tiny is fucking tough and Dean's punching him and nothing's happening.
Speaker A:Which is how I imagine it would be if I tried to punch Tiny and I'd be like, like, nothing.
Speaker B:Like, no reaction.
Speaker A:You know those dreams where you have, you're like, you're fighting somebody and, like, your punches aren't meaning anything.
Speaker A:And usually I figured out, because I'm actually punching the air in my sleep.
Speaker A:And I know that because once I punched a wall and woke up and it was like, oh, that explains all those other times.
Speaker A:But that is what I imagine this would feel like, you know.
Speaker A:No, nothing's happening.
Speaker A:Hitting you as hard as I can.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, yeah.
Speaker B:So while they're fighting and the guards are kind of, like, kind of helping but not really jumping in yet, Sam goes to the kitchen and climbs into one of the vents, which nobody notices, which is shocking.
Speaker A:He's a big dude.
Speaker A:How the fuck did he fit in that vent?
Speaker B:He's a very tall man.
Speaker B:That is not going to work very well.
Speaker B:So then one of the guards grabs Dean and is basically like, oh, if we waited any longer, you'd Be dead.
Speaker B:And Dean says, you waited long enough.
Speaker B:And then the guard punches Dean in the stomach with his baton.
Speaker B:Which I'm like, damn.
Speaker B:And the reason I share that is it matters when we get further in this episode.
Speaker B:You've probably seen it all already, but it matters that this guard is kind of being a dick because he's really selling it right now.
Speaker A:He's doing a good job.
Speaker A:If you did not know what was coming later, did you know?
Speaker A:Did you?
Speaker B:I did not.
Speaker A:Ms. Deacon.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker B:I had no fucking idea.
Speaker B:I'm like, who's this fucking asshole guard?
Speaker B:So he did a good job.
Speaker B:He sold it.
Speaker A:Way to go, Deacon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Dean and Tiny go to the infirmary.
Speaker B:Sam is in the old block, finds the blood stained mattress.
Speaker A:Why is that mattress still there?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:And it wasn't there when they shot the scene earlier with the repair guys there.
Speaker B:So I'm very confused about why this mattress is folded in half and covered in blood in the.
Speaker B:In this old ass cell block for like 10 years.
Speaker B:This is fucking weird.
Speaker A:That's fucking weird.
Speaker A:Like, you know, and granted, you know, I've seen a lot of old prisons being investigated for.
Speaker A:For things.
Speaker A:And there are times where stuff are left in ab.
Speaker A:But I am pretty sure mattress soaked with blood that guards caused a death.
Speaker B:By exactly like they're like.
Speaker B:Well, they had to mop up the blood so that the.
Speaker B:So that everybody would just believe that Moody had a heart attack and he didn't get beaten to death by guards and the other inmates helped clean up.
Speaker B:You know, they wouldn't have left the muddy.
Speaker B:The bloody fucking mattress laying there.
Speaker B:Just wouldn't have happened.
Speaker B:Yeah, Very poor sleuth work.
Speaker B:But anyways, so Sam's got salt accelerant and matches.
Speaker B:That was what?
Speaker B:Oh, this accelerants what they use the cigarettes to buy.
Speaker B:And so they decide to.
Speaker B:So Sam does his normal, you know, you burn the mattress.
Speaker B:Ta da.
Speaker B:That's what you do.
Speaker B:So in the infirmary, we see Dean and Tiny.
Speaker B:And Dean does feel bad about being really mean to Tiny.
Speaker B:So he apologizes.
Speaker B:I can't tell you why, but I had to get you angry.
Speaker B:I was like, okay, thank you, Dean.
Speaker A:And then Tiny says that he has self esteem problems because this old man had treated him and his brother like crap.
Speaker A:And then until the day he died,.
Speaker B:Then it's because his brother shot his.
Speaker A:Dad, you know, like you do, you know?
Speaker B:So now Dean sees the apparition.
Speaker B:It's the fucking spirit.
Speaker B:And it's not Moody.
Speaker B:It's somebody.
Speaker B:It's Not a man, some creepy nurse lady.
Speaker B:So this is bad because now Sam is on the other side of the prison in this other block, trying to burn this mattress.
Speaker B:This nasty ass mattress that got blood on it from however long ago.
Speaker B:But that's not the goddamn spirit, so it's not going to help them.
Speaker B:So it starts walking towards Dean.
Speaker B:He grabs the salt from his lunch tray.
Speaker B:But she, like, uses her brain power, whatever, her spirit power to throw him against the wall.
Speaker B:And he starts giving him kind of like a heart attack thing.
Speaker B:But he's able to like, finally open the salt, throw it in her face, and she dissipates.
Speaker B:So he's trying to calm his heart down, but also.
Speaker B:Also yell at Tiny to like.
Speaker B:Because he wants to protect Tiny now from this thing too.
Speaker A:Poor Tiny.
Speaker A:Also, why was the prison.
Speaker A:Why do they get salt?
Speaker A:Like, no one's giving prisoners salt on their.
Speaker A:On their food trays, you know?
Speaker A:No, they're not getting seasoning.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Those giving them seasoning in a prison,.
Speaker B:We would get like.
Speaker B:We would just get like.
Speaker B:There's little packets at least.
Speaker B:I don't know what they were in the military.
Speaker A:Not in prison.
Speaker B:Well, I wasn't in prison.
Speaker B:I know, but I'm saying like a lot of like, prepackaged stuff like that.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:They're not getting solved.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Also, why are they packets, like in a freaking silverware?
Speaker A:No, no, not unless you buy it from the commissary.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:You have to.
Speaker A:Whole thing.
Speaker A:But yeah, county jail.
Speaker A:No, he's not getting assaulting.
Speaker A:But also, why.
Speaker A:Where the fuck are these guards?
Speaker B:None.
Speaker B:None guards in the infirmary.
Speaker B:These two guys are just like chilling in these like, weird cells in infirmary by themselves.
Speaker B:On unsupervised.
Speaker B:It's very bizarre.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, they're screaming.
Speaker A:They're not like.
Speaker A:They're not handcuffed to anything.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:They're just like next to each other.
Speaker B:With like between them and a weird cell.
Speaker B:A weird cell and a sheet between them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You kind of deserve what's happening in this jail.
Speaker A:Guys like you.
Speaker A:You're the worst CEOs ever.
Speaker A:I know it's really hard to fire government employees, but, you know, come on.
Speaker A:Anyway, so poor Tiny.
Speaker B:Poor Tiny goes down.
Speaker B:Poor Tiny.
Speaker B:Tear for Tiny.
Speaker B:So we cut back to Sam and Dean in the yard now.
Speaker B:And they've all figured out that it wasn't Moody.
Speaker B:And here poor giant Tiny was one of their comments.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But now they're trying to figure out who the fuck this nurse is.
Speaker B:Sam is like super anxious because he thought that they were done.
Speaker B:They had already found out that it was Mad Eye Moody.
Speaker B:So he had already called Deacon to start their escape.
Speaker B:And so they better do their research fast.
Speaker B:They got like six fucking hours to figure this shit out and get escaped.
Speaker B:That's their.
Speaker B:That's all he's got.
Speaker B:And Dean's a little bit like, if you're on this, but it's just going to try to figure it out.
Speaker B:So they ask Randall, they trade a bunch of cigarettes to find out like about like some nurse.
Speaker B:And they get some.
Speaker B:And they get some info.
Speaker B: r once, Nurse Glockner in the: Speaker B:And there were stories about guys going into the infirmary.
Speaker B:Infirmary with a cold and ending up in a body bag with a rash of heart attacks.
Speaker B:So maybe she had had it in for cons and was a vigilante, is the idea here.
Speaker A:Vigilante.
Speaker B:Vigilante.
Speaker A:She's a vigilante.
Speaker B:Vigilante.
Speaker A:I thought I had to look this up because he said she was doing a Charles Bronson thing with the hypodermic.
Speaker A:And there was a serial killer named Charles Bronson who, who's now called like.
Speaker A:He got into like Salvo Dolly.
Speaker A:Now he's something Dolly.
Speaker A:But I thought that could have been a serial killer reference.
Speaker A:Actually was a reference to a Charles Bronson movie.
Speaker A:But so I got excited.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, he's making a serial killer reference.
Speaker B:I'm like, no more movie references.
Speaker B:Sam does make a funny comment here though.
Speaker B:About to.
Speaker B:Dean says, does it bother you how easily you fit in here?
Speaker B:Dean's just like, no.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He's very concerned and he does like.
Speaker A:You're just like, no.
Speaker A:This seems like a good place to.
Speaker A:For him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I will say one thing though, about Dean's personality.
Speaker B:As much as he's kind of like he's got his own loudness to his personality, he's also very adaptable.
Speaker B:If you look at the last episode and this episode specifically, first he just totally meshed into the world of being a pa. Now he's just meshed into the world of being a prisoner.
Speaker B:And I'm not saying those are the same thing.
Speaker B:I'm saying that though.
Speaker B:And there is very different personality rates.
Speaker B:The pa. You don't want to be as boisterous or as, you know, you've got to be, you know, kind of just on it and paying attention.
Speaker B:And now he's able to like, be a little bit more strong willed, but not because he's in prison and assert his own little Bit of dominance in his own little realm.
Speaker B:I just thought it was interesting that he's like, made this kind of like this is a character.
Speaker B:A defining character trait that we're learning about Dean.
Speaker B:Even when he's not always likable, that he's very adaptable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also when I was watching.
Speaker A:I think it was a gag reel for season two or something.
Speaker A:When I was watching some of the features on the Blu Ray, there is a.
Speaker A:There's something where one of somebody on set yells at Dean at one point.
Speaker A:Akima was like one hell of a pa.
Speaker A:I just died laughing.
Speaker A:Because it's now like.
Speaker A:I think they.
Speaker A:I think they joshed with him for.
Speaker B:A bit about that.
Speaker A:But you're right, it's also.
Speaker A:I mean, beyond just like, adaptability.
Speaker A:It's just what you got to survive.
Speaker A:And like, he's a survivor.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Make the best of your situation, you know, like, you can be a whiny little bitch complaining about your friends food.
Speaker A:Or you can play some cards and get some cigarettes so you can get some accelerate and burn a ghost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, get your shit done.
Speaker A:Tcb.
Speaker A:Tcb.
Speaker A:Dean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's TCB or TYA that was this the.
Speaker B:Oh, gosh, I'm gonna forget the name of the band.
Speaker B:It's a Dallas old legacy soul band.
Speaker B:There's TCB or Bobby Patterson.
Speaker B:Sing it.
Speaker B:TCB or TYA Take care of business or tear your ass.
Speaker A:This is actually very appropriate for prison.
Speaker B:Well, Terry Ass.
Speaker B:Let me get out of here.
Speaker B:So anyways, so Dean figures out, though.
Speaker B:He's like, look, we've got this argument with them.
Speaker B:Blah, blah, back and forth.
Speaker B:Oh, Dean.
Speaker B:Sam's like, fuck it, we're escaping.
Speaker B:I don't care.
Speaker B:We're done.
Speaker B:We tried.
Speaker B:That's what it is.
Speaker B:Dean's like, nope, nope, we gotta do it.
Speaker B:So Dean actually has a really good idea here.
Speaker B:And he goes to talk to Mara, the attorney.
Speaker B:Because guess what?
Speaker B:You can talk to your fucking listener attorney, usually if they're available.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:So she meets him, she thinks he's insane and wants to talk about the case.
Speaker B:He's like, nope, trust me.
Speaker B:And go look up this nurse and what happened to her and where she's buried if she's dead.
Speaker B:So that's she.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:And she's like, still like, no, I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker B:You're nuts.
Speaker B:And he does like this, look into my eyes.
Speaker B:I know if you've done this long enough, you can tell if I'm innocent or guilty.
Speaker B:Do I look guilty?
Speaker B:Blessed.
Speaker A:Blah, blah.
Speaker B:Blah.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also look into my eyes.
Speaker B:Look into my eyes.
Speaker B:Mara.
Speaker B:So lame.
Speaker B:She.
Speaker B:But he insists he's not a bad guy.
Speaker B:And you can kind of tell that she wants to believe him.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker A:Yeah, she.
Speaker A:She liked these guys in the beginning, so for sure.
Speaker B:And she was on board with something being weird.
Speaker B:And this is not just like a cut and dried case, so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you can like.
Speaker B:And also, I think the fact that Hendriksen's a dickwad probably didn't help anyone anything because I feel like she just wants to get him to now she's like, well, the FBI agent after their ass bag.
Speaker B:So I don't want him to get these guys now.
Speaker A:Same.
Speaker A:Yeah, I would.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I would do the exact same thing.
Speaker A:Like, well, does this piss this guy off?
Speaker A:All right, cool.
Speaker A:Let's do that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Sam's like dead set on sticking the escape plan.
Speaker B:Dean's like, no, I'm gonna stay as long as it takes to solve this case.
Speaker B:Yikes.
Speaker B:That's scary.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So they get into a shoving match.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so a guard comes up to him, like, I see the normal methods won't work with you.
Speaker B:And takes them to the bathroom.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, fuck, are they gonna get their asses beat?
Speaker A:They're gonna die.
Speaker B:Prison guards, like, this is not good.
Speaker B:Sends the other guard away.
Speaker B:So it's one guard and the two brothers and ends up this guard, this long haired guard.
Speaker B:Like not long haired, but kind of long compared to a prison guard.
Speaker B:Longer hair guard.
Speaker B:It was Deacon all along.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Guy that fucking punched teen in the stomach earlier on and sent him to solitary.
Speaker B:Which by the way, is a very short stint in solitary.
Speaker A:It was like two hours in solitary for you, sir.
Speaker B:That was Deacon all along.
Speaker B:And so.
Speaker B:Yeah, anyways, the brothers keep arguing about finishing the case though, even though Deacon's there.
Speaker B:But Deacon pops off with, by the way, I've got a letter from your lawyer.
Speaker B:So Mara did go to the to.
Speaker B:To look up the nurse and found out that her head was bashed in an old cell block.
Speaker A:And she did her research really fast.
Speaker B:Very fast, very specific research.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She knows that the nurse's head was bashed in and the location of where she's buried.
Speaker B:So Deacon is really think like really grateful.
Speaker B:He wants the.
Speaker B:He just wants the spirit out of this goddamn prison.
Speaker B:Apparently it's his prison.
Speaker B:So I don't know if that implication is that he's like one of the.
Speaker B:The like wardens there or just one of the top, like one of Them like head guard.
Speaker B:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:He's very attached to it.
Speaker A:You know, it's his prison.
Speaker B:But, yeah, so that says that their dad raised them right.
Speaker B:And then he opens this, like, really obvious panel off of the wall in the bathroom in the.
Speaker B:Sends them on their way, kiddo.
Speaker B:To go right out.
Speaker B:To go right out.
Speaker A:And mine was like.
Speaker A:And then they.
Speaker A:And then I'm like, done walk out?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they walk out to Baby, which is.
Speaker B:Baby's parked directly in front of the prison.
Speaker B:And they're still in their prison jumpsuits.
Speaker B:And they just, like, trot out.
Speaker B:And as they're walking to Baby, the alarm goes off.
Speaker B:They just hop in baby, and drive away.
Speaker B:I'm like, this is not believable in any way, shape or form.
Speaker A:They don't have to exit through anything that's searching the vehicle.
Speaker A:They don't, you know, okay, whatever.
Speaker A:Just belief suspended.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:This is how you get off.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So of course, now Agent H is fucking pissed.
Speaker B:Interrogates Deacon, interrogates Mara.
Speaker B:And then we see Sam and Dean are at the cemetery doing what they do.
Speaker B:They gotta go.
Speaker B:They gotta do the cemetery dig.
Speaker B:They gotta go dig a fucking grave up.
Speaker B:Burn the nurse's bones.
Speaker B:We know that.
Speaker A:I will say one thing, guys.
Speaker A:If you watch Walker, Texas Ranger Jared Padalecki keeps up his grave digging skills, I will say that it's not a spoiler, but I died laughing when I saw you sent your picture.
Speaker A:Still digging graves.
Speaker B:Can't get away from it.
Speaker B:So we see, you know, Agent Hendrickson's pissed and he's interrogating Deacon.
Speaker B:Interrogating Mara.
Speaker B:She's like, no, our conversation was private, but now it's implied that, like, while the brother's talking, that maybe the lawyer could share what they talked about.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I don't really know.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like lawyer client privilege.
Speaker B:Privilege.
Speaker B:But does that count if, like, they escape?
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:If she knows where they went, like, I don't know how that would work.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker A:So, I mean, my understanding and I deal with attorney client privilege in different ways.
Speaker A:But for this, though, if you have information that implicates them in a different crime, I think that would eliminate that privilege.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think if you're a lawyer, call us, let us know.
Speaker B:Well, so Mara does finally kind of start to talk and says that.
Speaker B:Talks about this prison nurse that died in the 70s and they want to know where she's buried.
Speaker B:And so we see the Brothers doing their thing, of course.
Speaker B:While we also get cut backs to the other scene of.
Speaker B:As I wrote, lots of cops rolling into this.
Speaker A:Also in the.
Speaker A:I do like Henderson's face, but he's like, well, what do they want to know?
Speaker A:And she's like, they want to know about this new nurse that died.
Speaker A:He's like, what?
Speaker B:Like, he's like, yeah, that was not.
Speaker A:What I was expecting.
Speaker B:Like, not at all.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:So, yeah, so then and so.
Speaker B:But you're like, oh, shit.
Speaker B:Watching this.
Speaker B:You're like, the SWAT FBI is there.
Speaker B:Like, off.
Speaker B:Fuck.
Speaker B:They are fucked.
Speaker B:Because obviously Agent Henriksen has a total hard on to get these guys in prison.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker B:Not get these guys in prison, but put them in prison.
Speaker A:Freezing.
Speaker A:Freezing.
Speaker B:He has a hard on to put them in prison.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:So while this is all going down, though, so now we've got the stress of.
Speaker B:We know that Mara said something to the police.
Speaker B:The brothers are frantically digging again to try to get these bones.
Speaker A:Sam is digging and Dean has a flashlight, which, I mean, maybe both of them can't fit in the grave at the same time.
Speaker A:But also get some headlamps.
Speaker A:Why is there no headlamps?
Speaker A:And baby, like, at this point, trunk.
Speaker B:Trunk has got to have some headlamps.
Speaker B:And we've got SWAT and like other tactical police running through a cemetery.
Speaker B:And you're just nervous as hell.
Speaker B:And then in the midst of this, we also have another appearance by nurse the Spirit Nurse Glockner going at Deacon.
Speaker B:So now we've got a lot going on all at once.
Speaker B:This is this huge finale where the bones get set on fire.
Speaker B:Deacon is saved.
Speaker B:And then we cut to the SWAT FBI, and they're running through, like, an empty cemetery Mara sent them to.
Speaker B:And we see the sign.
Speaker B:They said Mara sent them to the wrong cemetery on purpose.
Speaker A:Don't treat women like shit, Henderson.
Speaker A:Like, if you've been nice to her and respected her, she may have actually told you the fucking truth.
Speaker A:But no, you were a dick.
Speaker A:And this is what happens.
Speaker B:Bitches will own you and Rooster by Allison Chainsaw.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Which is also about prison.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:It's fitting.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:And the brothers really know that they're kind of fucked.
Speaker B:So they got to figure out how.
Speaker A:To not go deep.
Speaker A:They got to go deep.
Speaker B:Go deep.
Speaker B:So deep.
Speaker A:So deep.
Speaker B:So deep.
Speaker B:But yeah, so that's was a fun episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, I highly.
Speaker A:I know you said, like, you were uncomfortable through some of it, but I just think it's a very well done episode.
Speaker A:I think some good twists and Turns there's some good ghost stuff.
Speaker A:There's some.
Speaker A:The side characters I thought were all really good.
Speaker A:I mean, as much as I hate Henderson, like, I thought it was an appropriate place to him to be in.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, he's not likable, but it's not like you're like, he's a character that you dislike because of the story.
Speaker B:He's not a character you hate.
Speaker B:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:Yeah, it does.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not like, get rid of this motherfucker.
Speaker B:I'm just like, oh, no, he's there.
Speaker B:Something bad's gonna happen to the brothers.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:That's just because it's intense and he was condescending as fuck tomorrow.
Speaker B:That sucks.
Speaker B:What a dick.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker B:But I'm not like, can we get rid of this guy?
Speaker B:It's just that.
Speaker A:Well, if it's.
Speaker A:But I will say also, this little bitch agent dies.
Speaker A:I come sad.
Speaker A:Like, it's like, as much as Henderson is like, he's at least.
Speaker A:I don't know, he cares about his job.
Speaker A:Little bitch agent just a dick.
Speaker B:So noted.
Speaker B:Noted.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Any other notes?
Speaker B:That's all I got.
Speaker B:That's all I got this week on this one.
Speaker A:All right, so it was.
Speaker A:It was a long time.
Speaker A:This is a long episode, guys.
Speaker A:Sorry, but, you know, it happened.
Speaker A:Prison.
Speaker A:You know, I've got things to say about prison.
Speaker B:Lizzo has Liz's prison stories.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Liz's prison stories.
Speaker A:Tell you by the campfire one day.
Speaker A:All right, guys, I think that's it.
Speaker A:So cheers.
Speaker A:Jerk.
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