2:20 What Is and What Should Never Be
Supernatural Season 2 Episode 20: What should be and should never be! And we're talking all about Djinn! And helping you plan your next shindig - just make sure you get some Supernatural Acid, Djinn punch, adn don't forget your to go Tupperware of lamb's blood!
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Transcript
After watching this week's episode, we're inspired to help you plan your next party.
Speaker B:One, get your supernatural acid.
Speaker A:Two, get some gin punch.
Speaker B:And three, don't forget to take home your Tupperware gift of lamb's blood.
Speaker B:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.
Speaker A:Liz.
Speaker A:I'm Diana.
Speaker B:And I'm Liz.
Speaker A:And this week we're going to talk about season two, episode 20, what is and what should never be.
Speaker B:Should never be.
Speaker B:Should never be.
Speaker A:Never be.
Speaker A:So dramatic.
Speaker A:So dramatic.
Speaker B:So dramatic.
Speaker B:So what's going on?
Speaker B:How was your week?
Speaker A:Things have been good.
Speaker A:I went and did my.
Speaker A:My annual pilgrimage to a high school football game last weekend.
Speaker A:Like, like I do at least once a year.
Speaker A:My alma mater happens to be one of the teams that usually makes it to championships, and my adorable niece was performing with the cheerleaders and the drill team.
Speaker A:So little tiny things.
Speaker A:They had a little kids out there,.
Speaker B:So it was cute.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that was fun.
Speaker A:And then had dinner at one of my favorite places in Deep Bellum at Niwa and with some good friends and had drinks at Thunderbird where I had best frosty beer mugs.
Speaker B:And yeah, that was most of my.
Speaker A:Weekend, you know, like, good.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:Like I didn't like, get wild and crazy at all, but it was good stuff.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker A:It was active, like more.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm kind of tired.
Speaker A:I'm going to get.
Speaker A:I'm not ready for my work trip at all.
Speaker A:But that's okay.
Speaker A:So, yeah, that's what I'm at.
Speaker A:How about you?
Speaker B:My weekend was fairly tame.
Speaker B:I did some Halloween crafting, which is always fun because Joanne Fabrics got some new mannequin heads in and they're Bride of Frankenstein's and they also had Draculas.
Speaker B:But I just bought a couple of the Brides of Frankenstein's because I actually need.
Speaker B:I actually need them go need them for hats and to like put my bat wings on and other things.
Speaker B:So spent most of the weekend just hanging out and painting, which was good.
Speaker B:Then last night I went to my first introduction to Ariel's class and I got to play on the silks and the.
Speaker B:And the Lyra, which is the hoop thing, and also the sling, which is basically kind of like the rounded version of the silks that, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And fuck, that hurt.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:I. I have got so like with this, the sling, it goes pretty much like you're all.
Speaker B:It's getting wrapped around like your hips, at the top of your hips.
Speaker B:So basically all pounds of me was basically like hanging on this tiny.
Speaker B:On these silk things and wow, those dig in a lot and they hurt.
Speaker B:But it was a lot of fun.
Speaker B:And this is at Sky Candy in Austin.
Speaker B:It's just a gem that's devoted to circus arts.
Speaker B:And so they have trapeze classes and ropes and Lyra and silks and all sorts of fun things.
Speaker B:And I'm starting my Lyra classes in October, so I'm really, really excited for that.
Speaker B:They're also like, I think it's really cool because they're like, this is circus arts for everybody.
Speaker B:So the class that I'm taking in October is Lyra for plus sized women.
Speaker B:So I don't have to be because my introduction had lots of skinny bitches.
Speaker B:And you girls are great.
Speaker B:Love you.
Speaker B:But yeah, I would have much rather been there with other people who were at my current fitness level, which is not a fitness level.
Speaker B:Then I don't have one right now.
Speaker B:And of course I'm like, oh, yeah, I still have a really strong core.
Speaker B:I'm like that.
Speaker B:You haven't done core work in months.
Speaker B:Like your core is like, no, that's.
Speaker A:Just all upper body and core.
Speaker A:Upper body and core all day.
Speaker B:Well, and legs.
Speaker A:So like the whole body, basically.
Speaker A:But so much core.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah, the core is key.
Speaker B:And so, you know, I at least have good muscle memory there.
Speaker B:But it's still like, oh, I don't have that strength anymore.
Speaker B:But it was a lot of fun.
Speaker B:And today I went to the dentist and got lots of molds made of my teeth.
Speaker B:So if I see any of my teeth for sale on the Dark Web, I won't know who to blame.
Speaker B:And then I went.
Speaker B:And then I went to go finish up my show notes at Lauro, which is Aaron Franklin's Asian Asian expedition with.
Speaker B:I think he's with the guy from Uchi.
Speaker B:But yeah, that was supposed to be amazing.
Speaker A:I can't wait to go to one in Dallas.
Speaker A:I've heard so many good things.
Speaker A:I'm a little jealous.
Speaker B:That's really good.
Speaker B:And so Diana is going to Nashville tomorrow.
Speaker B:I'm going to Vegas on Thursday.
Speaker A:Yeah, because you're listening on Thursday.
Speaker A:But we recorded this on Tuesday.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, that's what's happening.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:So by the time you're listening to this, I will already be in Nashville and Liz will be on her way to Las Vegas.
Speaker A:So our warring music festivals.
Speaker B:Americana versus punk rock.
Speaker B:Here we go.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Which is funny because we both like both.
Speaker A:So it works out that is funny.
Speaker B:And our outfits will still probably be similar.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's how it goes.
Speaker A:That's how it goes.
Speaker A:Well, awesome.
Speaker A:Well, I know.
Speaker A:What are you drinking tonight?
Speaker B:So in honor of this episode, I am drinking the gin.
Speaker B:Gin from.
Speaker B:What's High's new name or the bigger name?
Speaker A:Well, Ruminate.
Speaker A:Ruminate Distilling is who the creator is.
Speaker A:So they used to be based in High, and they're pretty proprietors of Hiram and now based in Dripping Springs.
Speaker B:So I made a cocktail.
Speaker B:I made a French 75.
Speaker B:So which is basically gin and some simple syrup and lemon and bubbles.
Speaker A:Well, I'm out of my gin.
Speaker A:I have gin with a G. I'm out of my.
Speaker A:That gin.
Speaker A:So I am drinking just bubbles, though.
Speaker A:So I match you a little bit in that regard.
Speaker A:Sometimes you just need a little Prosecco.
Speaker B:And we will, of course, post a picture of the Jen gin bottle because it's gorgeous and it's very fitting to this episode.
Speaker A:It is actually weird.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we are on episode 20.
Speaker B:We're getting near the end of season two.
Speaker B:Very exciting.
Speaker B:And we'll talk about what that means later on at the end of this episode for us.
Speaker B:So there's a lot of good things to talk about with this episode.
Speaker B:So, like, you know, like we said, it's episode 20.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:So the head writer, you know, executive vp, he's actually directed this.
Speaker B:And so I got to watch this episode many times because they're on the DVDs.
Speaker B:There is a commentary by him.
Speaker B:So I got.
Speaker B:I watched this episode a few times.
Speaker B:So I had to watch commentary and then go back and rewatch the episode without the commentary, because you can never tell what's going on when somebody's talking about.
Speaker A:It's hard to do that.
Speaker A:It makes it very hard to do that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But so I learned lots of.
Speaker B:Lots of things from that and from other research.
Speaker B:And one thing that I thought was very interesting was that this was actually inspired by my least favorite episode of Buffy.
Speaker B:And that is Buffy's normal again.
Speaker B:And that is the one where she gets the deep.
Speaker B:She gets injected by demon poison, and she ends up in a mental hospital and, like, goes into this whole reality switch of, like, what if I was never the Slayer?
Speaker B:But it always fucked with my head so much because it's like, what if all of Buffy wasn't real?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, of course it's not real, but you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, what if the story never happened?
Speaker A:Kind of thing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And at least in this one, I think there's a clear line.
Speaker B:And he's not in a mental hospital, like, so it's in the mental, like, it's.
Speaker B:That terrified me in Buffy, because I'm always like, what if you're you in the Matrix?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:None of this is real.
Speaker A:This is all a simulation.
Speaker B:It's all a simulation.
Speaker B:So you're a lizard person, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I hate that episode of Buffy.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:Like, whenever I do a rewatch the Buffy series, I skip it because it freaks me.
Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker A:That much.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:No, it's for people who have, like, questioned their mental stability.
Speaker B:Not a good episode to watch.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:I get that for sure.
Speaker A:No, it was a very upsetting episode.
Speaker A:And this one, in some regards, was as well.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so, you know.
Speaker B:But basically, Kripke waited.
Speaker B:He wanted an episode that he could really, like, dig his teeth into.
Speaker B:And he basically became, like, he said, a dictator in the writing room.
Speaker B:And they were kind of tossing around, like, what this fantasy was going to be.
Speaker B:And, you know, really, they got into the idea of this alternate reality and is, what if Mary never died?
Speaker B:And one of the.
Speaker B:One of the first pitches, though, was to have Dean just be a total loser and a barfly and.
Speaker B:But they were like, you know what?
Speaker B:This is Dean's wish in his fantasy.
Speaker B:So in his fantasy, he probably wouldn't be that much of a loser.
Speaker B:And we were obviously going to see some problems with Dean's paradise, but.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I think they chose a good approach to this.
Speaker B:And for people who have watched the series, unlike Diana, this is the first time, you know, if you haven't watched the series, this is the first time that you get to really hear from Mary.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So if you think about it, the only time that you ever saw her speak was just, you know, as a ghost.
Speaker B:As a ghost.
Speaker B:And he said, I'm sorry, you know, what happens when she died?
Speaker B:She never really.
Speaker B:You never got to see her personality.
Speaker B:So I think that's really great.
Speaker B:We get the introduction.
Speaker B:We got so much of John Shittiness.
Speaker B:And now we get to see kind of what Mary.
Speaker B:At least Dean's perception of what.
Speaker B:What Mary would have been like.
Speaker B:So let's.
Speaker B:Let's.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:So let's jump right into this.
Speaker B:And so going to start off with Dean's going to be in the car.
Speaker B:And I don't know if you noticed this, but the sign outside of Sam's hotel room was for Juliet.
Speaker A:Oh, I missed that.
Speaker A:That's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, well, that's.
Speaker B:My mind was like, pew.
Speaker B:Like, we just talked about Juliet on last week's podcast.
Speaker B:And now I was like, oh, serendipity.
Speaker B:How did this happen?
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker A:I didn't even notice that.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And they're fugitives right now.
Speaker A:So Sam's in the motel, Dean's out driving around, and Dean's searching for something that's been killing people.
Speaker A:And Dean's searching, and Sam is researching gin spelled to be clear, D J I N N. And they're talking about how, like.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're gonna be like, probably like some kind of ruins or something with a lot of rooms where they can hide around.
Speaker A:So Dean decides it's a great idea.
Speaker A:Duh.
Speaker A:It's Dean.
Speaker A:To go search alone for this.
Speaker A:And of course, finds, as this series is so excellent at locating another abandoned industrial park.
Speaker B:Well, and I thought it was interesting that there's an abandoned industrial park that is clearly an abandoned office, but, like an old.
Speaker A:Like, with the old typewriter still there.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was very like.
Speaker B:I'm like, who left all this shit in the office?
Speaker B:Like, okay.
Speaker A:And I actually find somebody would object that typewriter by now.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know, but.
Speaker B:But it was great.
Speaker B:Like, this is the type of abandoned building we wanted to watch.
Speaker B:So he's walking around and he's clearly being stalked by somebody.
Speaker B:And he has this knife.
Speaker B:My first thought was, why is this knife bloody?
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker A:His knife is already bloody.
Speaker A:This is not a good sign.
Speaker A:But we don't get that answer for quite a while in the episode.
Speaker B:But at least they do fulfill that.
Speaker B:But yeah, that was definitely one of my, like, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So finally, this, like, heavily tattooed dude, because that's always the dangerous ones, jumps out from the corner and grabs Dean.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:But then his eyes start turning blue and he starts turning blue.
Speaker A:And then Dean starts turning blue and his eyes a little black.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And also some fun tidbits on our Jen, who was heavily tattooed in order.
Speaker B:So it was inspired by this woman who had a bunch of, like, Eric.
Speaker B:And seeing a picture of a woman with a bunch of Hannah tattoos on them.
Speaker B:So that was where he got the inspiration.
Speaker B:But they're like, you know, this makeup takes like three to four hours.
Speaker B:So with the actor, they're like, do you mind if we just do this once?
Speaker B:And then you just keep it on for the rest of the shoot.
Speaker B:Guy trooper that he is, basically got his makeup done at the Beginning of the week, and then wore the makeup for the rest of the week.
Speaker B:Like, as he went grocery shopping, as he went to, like, coffee, and he was like, like, cabs won't pick me up.
Speaker B:I cannot get a cab.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:But I also just think that's baller.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, man.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:And also, like, if somebody told me, you can sit in this chair for three to four hours every day, or we can this once and then you can go about your life, I'd be like, okay, once.
Speaker A:Yeah, once.
Speaker A:Yes, please, Gammy.
Speaker A:And that's part of the reason I can't get lashes done.
Speaker A:Not just a few reasons, but one of them.
Speaker A:One of them is that just sitting there for two hours while they put them on stresses me the fuck out.
Speaker B:It's also really great, which is why I love that because for those two hours while I'm there, nobody can fucking bother me.
Speaker B:Like, it's so great.
Speaker A:Like, I. Anxiety.
Speaker A:Like, even if I get my nails done, like, if I'm depending if I'm getting fancy shit done, like I did this week, like, sitting there for a couple hours, like, at least I like to fuck with my phone.
Speaker A:I can have a conversation.
Speaker A:I can do things.
Speaker A:I can't do that when I'm getting my last.
Speaker B:And that's why it's so great.
Speaker B:It also depends on where you're going.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:Like, I have a bond with my lash girl.
Speaker B:So sometimes, like, we also.
Speaker B:We like true crime podcasts.
Speaker B:So sometimes we'll listen to True Crime podcast.
Speaker A:That would help.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:She's got pretty good taste in music.
Speaker B:I mean, there are times where, like, we're in the second hour and I just start fidgeting because.
Speaker B:But it's like your eyes are taped shut and you cannot do anything.
Speaker B:And so it's like, stressful.
Speaker B:I know, but work can't bother me.
Speaker B:Like, this is the only time where I don't feel guilty.
Speaker B:I'm just like, hey, I can't.
Speaker A:Can't do anything about it.
Speaker A:Yep, all right, fair enough.
Speaker A:All right, so the next scene we get, there's a classic horror movie on TV and Creature from Blueground.
Speaker A:I think so, but I wasn't sure.
Speaker A:And then I forgot to look it up afterwards.
Speaker B:I mean, it wasn't in the transcripts and.
Speaker B:But based on just like, I didn't like to rewind.
Speaker A:It was a big, swampy looking creature carrying a chicken.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it was Creature from Blue Lagoon.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And Dean's waking up and the first thing that you can notice as he's waking up is that he's not wearing his amulet.
Speaker B:His normal necklace is gone.
Speaker B:And he's got just a silver chain on.
Speaker B:So that's her first clue that something.
Speaker B:Something is different.
Speaker A:Something's amiss.
Speaker A:Something's amiss.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And he's got a naked chick next to him.
Speaker A:Not necessarily shocking.
Speaker A:I mean, it's Dean.
Speaker A:Say okay, whatever.
Speaker A:So he starts walking around.
Speaker A:He calls Sam and.
Speaker A:But it's like kind of like middle of the night.
Speaker A:Ish.
Speaker A:Or like early at morning hours.
Speaker A:And he's just like confused.
Speaker A:He doesn't know where the fuck he is.
Speaker A:He's walking around his apartment.
Speaker A:I know where he is.
Speaker A:Sam thinks that he's drunk on gin, funny enough.
Speaker A:And apparently.
Speaker A:And drops that the person he's sleeping next to his name, Carmen.
Speaker A:And Sam is sitting there reading law books as we cut to him repeatedly.
Speaker A:So obviously there's something off here where Sam's reading back, you know, doing law school stuff.
Speaker A:And Dean has a woman that next to him that Sam knows the name of.
Speaker A:So Dean finds mail on the counter and it's.
Speaker A:He's in Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker A:So Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker A:Address, mail address to him and to Carmen at this house or this apartment.
Speaker A:So kind of interesting.
Speaker A:So Carmen comes up and finds them, invites him back to bed.
Speaker A:And he's kind of hesitant, which is weird for Dean, was my comment.
Speaker A:I'm like, whoa, whoa, what is going on here with Dean?
Speaker A:Woman to bed.
Speaker A:And he hesitated.
Speaker A:He must be very distraught about the situation.
Speaker B:He's very concerned.
Speaker B:He doesn't want to fuck this strange girl.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was very concerned about that.
Speaker A:I was like, whoa, he is fucked up about this.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So he's able to find a photo on the counter that.
Speaker A:That just totally freaks him out.
Speaker A:And he drops it.
Speaker A:So he drives across town to his childhood home and knocks on the door.
Speaker B:And who opens the door?
Speaker A:Who's there?
Speaker B:It's Mary.
Speaker B:Mommy.
Speaker A:Mommy.
Speaker A:So he tests if it was her by asking what she would say before he went to bed at night.
Speaker A:And ends up there was never a fire.
Speaker A:And he's like, is this like a wish come true?
Speaker A:But ends up also John still dead because John had a stroke in his sleep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And so I think something that's really interesting, you know.
Speaker B:So we've got a lot of the photos that you're seeing are very important to, you know.
Speaker B:So at Dean's apartment, you got the picture of Carmen on the beach.
Speaker B:You see him pick up a photo and drop.
Speaker B:Now we're at the, you know, at the, you know, the Winchester home.
Speaker B:And there's all these photos around.
Speaker B:And so obviously a ton of these were photos shocked.
Speaker B:And we get to some funny ones.
Speaker B:But all the ones of Jared and Jensen as teenagers, those are their real photos.
Speaker B:So the pic, that picture of really awkward Jensen out of in a prom tuxedo, that was his prom picture.
Speaker A:That's great.
Speaker B:Picture Jared in the.
Speaker B:The orange cap and gown.
Speaker B:Those are from Madison High School, because that's their colors and that's.
Speaker B:Y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:You have really ugly colors.
Speaker B:You do.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So those are unreal.
Speaker B:So they.
Speaker B:They took some of their childhood pictures and Photoshopped, like, other people into it, which is why it gets even funnier because it's like, oh, this is you as a kid, and we're just gonna put it out.
Speaker B:And like.
Speaker B:And it's terrible Photoshop work.
Speaker B:There is, like, nothing that's trying to make this look good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There to be there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's greatness.
Speaker A:So anyway, so he just really, like, just kind of convinces his mom that, like, look, I just want to.
Speaker A:I just want to sit in the living room and say maybe.
Speaker A:So he just wants to sit in the house.
Speaker A:Basically.
Speaker A:He just wants to be there.
Speaker A:And then he wakes up on the sofa and tries to call Sam again and gets voicemail.
Speaker B:So there's another photo when he wakes up.
Speaker B:Did you see that?
Speaker B:It was dad, mom and Dean and Sam all in matching sweaters.
Speaker B:They had.
Speaker B:They had an ugly Christmas sweater photo.
Speaker A:Sweater photo.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:That was fucking brilliant.
Speaker B:That was a good.
Speaker A:They did a good job, I thought.
Speaker A:I mean, like, obviously they're not gonna, like.
Speaker A:I mean, it's for a TV show.
Speaker A:They're not going to spend, like, make it like so pro.
Speaker A:You're going to print a frickin 11 by 17 of it.
Speaker A:But, like, having like a.
Speaker A:A good array to at least sell it.
Speaker A:I appreciated that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think, like, for that, they took, like, it looks like they took a photo from awkward family photos, put their faces in it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So we cut to Dean at the.
Speaker A:I was meeting with an anthropology professor who obviously knows that it's not that he's not one of his students, even though he pretends to be.
Speaker A:And he's asking about gin because he knows.
Speaker A:He remembers having this encounter with the gin.
Speaker A:You know, Dean is.
Speaker A:Knows where he was and who he was hunting the Djinn and then woke up and all of this is like this.
Speaker A:So he's like, huh, I probably need to check on this.
Speaker A:So he's asking like if they can actually grant wishes or alter reality.
Speaker A:And why would they do that?
Speaker A:Is it something self defense or is it not evil?
Speaker A:And everyone just keeps asking like, this is like the third time Dean.
Speaker A:He's been drinking.
Speaker A:It's pretty funny.
Speaker A:We're just assumes he's fucking loaded.
Speaker A:It's kind of fair.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then he goes out to baby and we have.
Speaker B:Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Really sad moment.
Speaker A:We've got a really sad moment coming up.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, I know, but we're gonna pause because we're gonna talk about Jen.
Speaker A:Because this is like anthropology time tie into the gin lore, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, it was time.
Speaker B:It was like, where can we fit this in here?
Speaker B:And I figured, okay, the professor is going off about his la Jen.
Speaker B:So let's talk about some of the actual lore.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Lore.
Speaker B:All right, so one of the things I think is, you know, so you.
Speaker B:You hear the word Jen and if you're not a complete idiot, you can probably figure out that Jen is genie.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of different terms depending on what language you're talking about.
Speaker B:So this one, which Diana pointed out was DJ I n, but it's also been known as djinni.
Speaker B:So that's where some people think genie came because it was like, oh, it was an English English, somebody that popped it out.
Speaker B:But you can also see it spelled with J I N N. And then there's also depending on which type of jinn you're talking about, there's other things we'll get to that.
Speaker B:But in general, this comes from Arabic lore.
Speaker B:And it's a type of interfering spirit that's often demon like, but not a demon.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It is believed that the belief in jin has been around since before even the Islamic religion was ever done so.
Speaker B:But the exact origin isn't clear.
Speaker B:Some believe, according to the evolution of the concept of the jinn, that jinn are adaptations from ancient Mesopotamia.
Speaker B:But others argue that they were shaped through Persian influence.
Speaker B:But everyone agrees that pretty much the center of this all happens in the Arabian peninsula and within the Islamic culture.
Speaker B: ic realm was for Scheherazade: Speaker B:So that's where we get, you know, the genie.
Speaker B:That's where we get Aladdin story.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So that's where we get that genie that American culture is probably most familiar with.
Speaker B:Either Barbara Eden, who is not anything like anything but.
Speaker B:But also you, the Robin Williams version, and now the Will Smith.
Speaker A:Weird.
Speaker A:I haven't watched that one yet.
Speaker A:I haven't been able to bring myself to do it.
Speaker B:Watch it.
Speaker B:It's fine.
Speaker B:It's a good.
Speaker B:If you're really bored on your couch on a Saturday afternoon, you got nothing else going on.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's pretty.
Speaker B:And they certainly update it for some more modern things.
Speaker B:So it's not quite as, hey, Jasmine's gonna marry a homeless dude.
Speaker B:Like, it's pretty much just what she's doing.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So anyways.
Speaker B:Okay, so the pre and version of the Jinn were always thought to be malicious and were born as smokeless fire and not immortal.
Speaker B:They roamed deserts and the wilderness, and while normally invisible, could also shape shift to any form.
Speaker B:But for it to not be a temporary shift, it would have to be the tribe's protector animal, which I think is cool.
Speaker B:The tribes have like an animal that protects them and like, then it's like, oh, so our protector, you know, our whatever desert animal.
Speaker B:I don't know what animals there are in the desert, but.
Speaker B:So, yeah, that would just be.
Speaker A:There's no ropes.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we'll get to the.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker B:Ropes.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's definitely that.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:So historically, they've also been interwoven into the story of King Solomon.
Speaker B:And we've talked about this in a previous episode when we were talking about Solomon.
Speaker B:And we also.
Speaker B:We talked then about how Solomon's ring was used to control them.
Speaker B:And so basically he had the Jinn built his temple and all those things.
Speaker B:But this is also where the idea of the genie in a bottle may come from, because within one of those stories, a jealous Jinn, sometimes identified as Asmodeus, stole the ring while Solomon was bathing in the River Jordan.
Speaker B:The Jinn basically took over the kingdom, sat in his throne, and made Solomon become a wanderer of the desert.
Speaker B:God compels the jinn to throw the ring into the sea.
Speaker B:Then Solomon gets the ring and punished the jinn by imprisoning him in a bot.
Speaker B:That may be where that idea comes from, but yeah, traditionally within, like, most of the things about Jen, they're not put in bottles.
Speaker B:Like, that's more of just something like, I think a westernized version of things.
Speaker B:The poets in pre Islamic Arabia often said they had a special jinn as their companion.
Speaker B:Sometimes they would attribute their verses to the Jinn.
Speaker B:So there was always like, oh, you know, so the Jinn with their, you know, becoming a muse, you know.
Speaker B:And so we're starting to see a shift from malicious to kind of helpful.
Speaker B:Although, like, they're Always.
Speaker B:Even if they're helpful or not helpful, like they're always mischievous.
Speaker B:There's an old Persian story that I love.
Speaker B:So one day a lady goes to the public bathhouse.
Speaker B:She pays the attendant and goes inside.
Speaker B:Once inside, she notices someone in the room with her.
Speaker B:She looks down at their feet, but instead of feet, the person has hooves.
Speaker B:The lady freaks out and runs outside as fast as she can.
Speaker B:She rushes to the attendant and tells her that she saw someone with hooves.
Speaker B:Hooves instead of feet.
Speaker B:And the attendant looks up at her, lifts up her skirt and says, like these.
Speaker B:And she also love that story.
Speaker B:I think that's hilarious.
Speaker B:So they also, at the pre Islamic version of this, they also had a whole set of exorcism procedures to protect yourself from the jinn.
Speaker B:And so these can include beads, incense, bones, salt, charms written in Arabic, Hebrew and Syriac.
Speaker B:Or the hanging around of their necks of a dead animal's teeth, like a fox or a cat used to frighten the gen and keep them away, which I think would frighten most anything away.
Speaker B:Like where did you get the cat's teeth?
Speaker B:How did you get the cat teeth?
Speaker B:Like did you wait until the cat died and then took them out?
Speaker B:Did you kill the cat?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Yeah, no.
Speaker B:I don't want to.
Speaker B:I don't care if I'm a gen or a person.
Speaker B:Like you have some cat's teeth hanging around your neck and you don't hang out.
Speaker B:We're not going to be friends.
Speaker B:We're just not.
Speaker B:So the more modern versions of Jen have some that, that are very beautiful and good natured.
Speaker B:But basically the idea was, you know, we think of this from the, you know, the Islamic stories is that they were general created on the day of creation from smokeless fire.
Speaker B:And that was also when humans were created from clay and water and angels are made for light.
Speaker B:So we had humans, clay and water.
Speaker B:We've got the smok was fire thing.
Speaker B:But this makes a lot of.
Speaker B:There's a lot of things where this comes into why the gen are rebellious, mischievous.
Speaker B:Because they were, they felt slighted by a law that, you know, like hey, like why did you have to make something else?
Speaker B:Like we were pretty cool.
Speaker B:And then you had to make people and they suck.
Speaker B:So we're going to fuck with them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Even though some of these are nicer, like if you make a deal with them, they're going to find some way to punish you if you fuck it up.
Speaker B:And they're also going to enjoy punishing you.
Speaker B:They're just going to think that's Fun.
Speaker B:They can live anywhere.
Speaker B:But they do prefer to live in deserts, ruins, and places of quote unquote impurity, like graveyards, garbage dumps, your bathroom, camel pastures, and hashishtans.
Speaker B:And so they can also live in your house, but they generally will be in places in between shade and sunlight.
Speaker B:They also like marketplaces.
Speaker B:So Muslims are often worn not to be the first to enter the marketplace and not to be the last to leave it.
Speaker B:So I don't know how you get to avoid being the guy like, or gal who goes in first and.
Speaker B:And wants me first.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, everyone's just kind of like, you just like standing outside.
Speaker B:It's like if you get there, like you get early for an appointment, you're like, I don't want to be the first one here.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm just gonna wait.
Speaker B:So there, there are Jen, who manifest as snakes, scorpions, creeping animals.
Speaker B:I'm not sure what a creeping animal is.
Speaker B:And dogs, especially black dogs.
Speaker B:Those are going to be like devil.
Speaker B:And also cats.
Speaker B:And according to folklore, a cat should not be chased away early in the morning or late at night lest it be a shape shifted Jen, who will then take revenge on you.
Speaker B:Also, just don't chase away cats.
Speaker B:Like, why, why are you making the cats run away?
Speaker B:Like, cats are your friends.
Speaker B:They should be your minions.
Speaker B:So Jen, do find.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to imagine.
Speaker A:I'm trying to imagine Kevin being a jinn.
Speaker A:Sorry, sorry.
Speaker B:It's possible.
Speaker B:I mean, there's some that are really dumb.
Speaker A:He is mischievous and not mischievous.
Speaker B:And there's some that aren't very smart.
Speaker B:And so Kevin could, you know.
Speaker A:So for those that don't know, Kevin's one of my dogs.
Speaker B:Yeah, Kevin's not a person.
Speaker B:Kevin's a black dog, but not a black dog.
Speaker B:Not like, you know, not like the, the, the ones that are going around,.
Speaker A:They don't, like, he doesn't like, work for Satan that I know of.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we don't.
Speaker B:Someday we'll.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:We'll do a whole thing on black dogs.
Speaker B:One day.
Speaker B:I think they come up in here somehow.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Okay, so jinn also, they can fall in love and they can also fall in love with humans and marry them.
Speaker B:There is some controversy about whether or not it's lawful to marry a jinn, but most Islamic jurists believe that it is not.
Speaker B:It also depends on which lore you're looking at, whether or not this union would produce children, and if so, whether or not those children would then have jinn powers.
Speaker B:According to one source.
Speaker B:If the mother is Jen, then the children will be invisible.
Speaker B:And if it's the father, then he would be visible.
Speaker A:Wait, hold on.
Speaker A:The kids would be invisible?
Speaker B:Yeah, only if the mom's a Jen.
Speaker B:But if the gen.
Speaker A:It's very complicated to raise an invisible child.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're just running around smacking shit everywhere.
Speaker B:But also like, the mom's a gen, so she would probably be able to, like, see their kid doing whatever.
Speaker A:Hope so.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:There is a clan within the United Arab Emirates to this day who claims they descended from a female jet.
Speaker B:So I don't know if they think they can be invisible or not.
Speaker A:My first question, I was like, yeah,.
Speaker B:But the jinn do have a regular life cycle complete with like, heaven and hell waiting for them.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:But just like humans, they're born to a mother and father, eat food, drink, and just have as many emotions as we do.
Speaker B:And so some Jen can decide to be evil, some can decide to be good, but most of them kind of find fall somewhere in between.
Speaker B:So there's three to five types of jinn, depending on who you ask in general, like I said, they're not very nice to humans.
Speaker B:Some magicians can gain power over them like Solomon did.
Speaker B:But so some of the most common types that are known, so we have the ghouls, AKA zombies.
Speaker B:So these guys like to sleep all day and hang out in cemeteries at night.
Speaker B:Night promise, not a ghoul.
Speaker B:They love eating human flesh.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker B:And they're not very smart and they're not very strong, but they can still be dangerous because, well, you know, they eat people.
Speaker B:So I kind of pictured them as like the Romero zombies.
Speaker B:You know, the slower we're not.
Speaker B:This is not 28 days later zombie.
Speaker A:I don't like those.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they can also, like, while they're dumb, they can.
Speaker B:They're also good at kind of like tricking you to, like, to someplace that you can't get out of, and then they'll eat you.
Speaker B:But they really like to eat children and babies, probably because, you know, they're tender and they like to drink human blood, steal coins.
Speaker B:I don't know why they steal coins and eat just general dead bodies.
Speaker B:And they also can shape shift.
Speaker B:And this type of gender, never good.
Speaker B:They cannot be redeemed.
Speaker B:So they're always just going to be people eating zombies.
Speaker B:Were you gonna say something?
Speaker A:No, that's about right.
Speaker A:I mean, most of the zombie lore, they aren't really redeemable.
Speaker A:So I guess that kind of makes sense.
Speaker B:I. Zombie.
Speaker B:I Mean, she was pretty nice.
Speaker A:She was, yeah.
Speaker A:But even in that it was noted that she was like an anomaly.
Speaker B:Yeah, sure.
Speaker B:There is a type called the Vitella and these jed, instead of eating the dead, occupy the dead.
Speaker B:And so while they're inside a corpse, the corpse won't decay.
Speaker B:So it can be hard to tell the differ a human and a Jen in a dead body because, well, just looks like unless it was somebody you knew who was dead.
Speaker B:These can also shapeshift and they have psychic powers.
Speaker B:They can see into the future and read minds.
Speaker B:Minds, not mimes.
Speaker B:I mean, I guess they could probably read.
Speaker A:I hope they can read minds.
Speaker A:If they can read minds, they better be able to read a mime also.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, someone has to interpret what those mimes are doing and hopefully they're the ones that are tricking.
Speaker B:And they're also.
Speaker B:These guys are only kind of evil.
Speaker B:They do have the capacity for good.
Speaker A:Oh, all right.
Speaker B:Another kind is the E freets I F R I T S also called E freets, sometimes called.
Speaker B:This is one of the more well known ones.
Speaker B:Their natural form is said to be giant winged creatures made of fire.
Speaker B:It sounds pretty badass.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But because like I said originally, you know, they were created after people and they got pissed.
Speaker B:So they want to lure people to do evil things so they'll fall out of favor with God.
Speaker B:They also have social structures that are very similar to humans.
Speaker B:Well, those humans who still have monarchies, I don't know if they switched into a democratic process yet or not.
Speaker B:But traditionally, you know, they had kings and queens and royal families.
Speaker B:They had a social hierarchy that was like those of desert tribemen.
Speaker B:They're very powerful and strong and in modern days there are thought to become tech savvy in order to adapt to time.
Speaker B:So they learn like this.
Speaker B:Maybe this is the Iranian hackers I have to fight all the time.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Would explain some things.
Speaker A:Would explain something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:We also have the iblis or Iblis E B L I s also known as Shaitans, which is where it's a very similar word to Satan.
Speaker B:And there's a reason for that.
Speaker B:These are also the devil devils, which I got kind of confused about the difference between these guys and the fruits.
Speaker B:So I don't have a thousand, you know, a thousand hours to investigate everything that we research.
Speaker B:So apologies.
Speaker B:They seem, they seem to be very similar.
Speaker B:They are also known to be very prideful.
Speaker B:They have a lot of confidence.
Speaker B:And again, like the, like the ifrits, their goal is to make humans Commit as many sins as possible.
Speaker B:And they do this through trickery and lies.
Speaker B:And in the Quran this is described as whispering into the heart hearts.
Speaker B:Unlike humans though, these guys are creatures of pure logic and they don't make emotional decisions and they never commit sin.
Speaker B:It's also said that those who learn the medicinal qualities of plants are actually speaking with devils and these are the ones who introduce sorcery with them.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:So apparently, because I know the aloe vera will cure my burn, I may be talking to the devil, a baby devil.
Speaker B:I think that's kind of where the difference is, right?
Speaker B:That within like the Judaic, Christian, Christian mythology that it's a one double.
Speaker B:And this is just a type of thing, you know, a type of devil that.
Speaker B:But you obviously we know that both, both of the dogma from both of those religions are very similar at this point, this point in time, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the last one we're going to talk about are the marids and they're the most powerful of the gen. And marid is Arabic rebellious.
Speaker B:So all these guys are a little rebellious.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So they're all kind of, that's what they do.
Speaker B:But they're very hard to control.
Speaker B:They have a vast knowledge in magic and have assisted many kings and priests throughout history.
Speaker B:And they are blue in color and this is the type of genie that we have in Aladdin.
Speaker B:And so the blue is thought to represent intelligence and superior age.
Speaker B:And you know, so when they were creating the gems for this, the gen type, for the supernatural mythology, it the nation of a lot of things.
Speaker B:But this is where like the blue light is coming from.
Speaker B:This is why they kept it didn't make him totally blue.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So kept that blue light in there.
Speaker B:And they commonly live in the ocean and they're also known as spirits of the seas in this I want to talk about some of the modern beliefs because this is not something that is out.
Speaker B:This is not a historical lore.
Speaker B:This is a current lore that's believed.
Speaker B:And so in the modern Middle east, the beliefs in general still very prevalent, more so in the rural and remote areas.
Speaker B:In the urban areas, you know, those ones are like, oh, this is superstition.
Speaker B:There was a study in the UK and they interviewed Moroccan, Pakistani and Islam, other people of Islamic faith.
Speaker B:And above 80% of them believed in the jet.
Speaker B:So that's a pretty, that's a large number.
Speaker B: ike for Brush with the law in: Speaker B:It did not.
Speaker A:That's wild.
Speaker B:Yeah, the trial did not go through.
Speaker B:But also, you know, speaking of evicting them from your house or a person, there are exorcisms to get rid of them.
Speaker B:Much like we exercise people in the western culture for demons.
Speaker B:For demons, yeah, yeah, it's the same type of thing.
Speaker B:But you know, it becomes an issue because there are a lot of people, especially in these rural communities that have mental illness and instead of getting treatment for mental illness, they think they are possessed by a jinn.
Speaker B:And so they're going to faith healers in order to evict, evict this.
Speaker B:So people, especially ones with like serious issues like schizophrenia, there's cases of people who like gone for like decades without treatment because they thought they were being possessed.
Speaker B:And the faith healers have a number of different ways in order to exercise them.
Speaker B:Usually done in one of three ways.
Speaker B:One would be remembrance of God and recitation of the Quran.
Speaker B:Blowing into the person's mouth, probably because you're whispering the word of God into the.
Speaker B:I guess that's where that comes from.
Speaker B:You can also curse and command the Gen to leave and calling upon Allah.
Speaker B:Also some faith healers do believe that if you basically strike the possessed person, the Jen, someone who's going to feel the pain and not the person.
Speaker B:Although there's a lot of Muslim scholars that were like, this is kind of against like what we, what we preach.
Speaker B:Please stop hitting people.
Speaker B:You know, so there was actually, there was a case where family members accidentally killed a woman because they were trying to get the jinn out out of her and so they basically be her to death.
Speaker B:And finally to close this out, just to talk about how prevalent this is in modern culture, Iran's supreme leader said that Covid was caused by Jen.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:So explain a lot.
Speaker B:It would start, you know, we can just get the gin out.
Speaker B:I don't have to worry about wearing masks or getting, you know, booster shots.
Speaker B:So it'd be great.
Speaker B:So that is, that is the story.
Speaker A:Of my small anecdote is I did have, you know, my, the first.
Speaker A:Oh then obviously like western culture person like, oh, I've heard of genies.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But as a adult person, the first like reference I heard to a belief of at all, whether serious or superstition wise.
Speaker A:And Jen was a friend of mine or a coworker years and years ago who was, was Muslim and from his family was from Senegal, West Africa.
Speaker A:And he would talk, make jokes about gin.
Speaker A:Like if something fucked up was happening, like, he would like reference gin, like, but he wasn't.
Speaker A:He wasn't.
Speaker A:You know, I could tell that it wasn't like he didn't literally believe that a gin was like an embodiment of a person that was going to walk into the room, but it was what they would blame things for.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a more urban version of it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Talking about them as like a superstition.
Speaker B:Just like, you know, if you're Irish, you're so great to leave things out for fairy folk and thinking about brownies and sprites, you know, and it's like.
Speaker A:A lot of modern Christian people still reference angels and demons, but not necessarily, you know, don't necessarily think it's going to be, you know, appearing physically to them.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So anyway, I thought that was interesting.
Speaker A:So that was like my little tie in.
Speaker A:There's my personal anecdote to tack on to the end of your amazing research.
Speaker B:So we're going to go into something really, really sad right now.
Speaker B:And that's going to be the state of the trunk.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I was very distressed about this.
Speaker A:So the good news is, is that Dean still has baby in this.
Speaker A:In this state that he is in.
Speaker A:Whatever it may be that we don't know yet.
Speaker B:And baby still is back to the original Kansas license license plates.
Speaker B:So the opening shot, she had Ohio plates on her, right?
Speaker B:And now she's back to Kansas license plates.
Speaker A:And he opens the.
Speaker A:He opens weapon's trunk.
Speaker B:Team Trunk.
Speaker A:Trunk is just a normal trunk.
Speaker B:She's not just a normal trunk.
Speaker B:She's filled with garbage.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:That was even more stressful.
Speaker B:I'm like, there is like, like empty food, like containers and just ants.
Speaker A:It was not well.
Speaker A:It was not well cared for.
Speaker B:No, you're going to have ants in their.
Speaker B:Dean.
Speaker B:This is how.
Speaker B:This is how.
Speaker B:How you get amps.
Speaker B:But there is also a Maxim and a Playboy.
Speaker A:So then there's some chicks standing across the street watching him.
Speaker A:And so of course, like, he tries to go, like, see her?
Speaker A:And she disappears.
Speaker A:So we get cut back to Dean sitting at mom's house, the family house.
Speaker A:And I think that, like the biggest thing about this episode is just really illustrating what he was experiencing and what it was different from the reality that we've known to be established for the.
Speaker B:The show.
Speaker A:So he's eating a sandwich, but it is kind of.
Speaker A:And says Sam's on his way, which is interesting comment the funny comment here also is when she points out that shouldn't you be at work at the garage?
Speaker A:And he obviously doesn't know about this job that he has because, I mean, whatever reality this is, if he has an apartment in a place and things like that, he buys a fucking job, too.
Speaker A:And he is not there because he's, you know, being puppy dog eyes at mom's house.
Speaker A:Which is fair, but also a good point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it's interesting that in Dean's fantasy, like, his job is that he works on cars, of course.
Speaker A:And then we've got.
Speaker A:He decides that he really wants to mow the lawn for his mom.
Speaker A:So he mows the lawn to Joey Ramone's version of what a Wonderful World.
Speaker B:This is the best version of that song, by the way.
Speaker B:And, yeah, if you can notice, too, like, how bright everything is, which is like some weird plastic Technicolor.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so Kripke said, you know, they.
Speaker B:He was always getting notes from, you know, the network and other things and, like, can you, like, brighten up this, this, you know, this set?
Speaker B:And so one, like, when they saw this, they're like, you finally listened to us.
Speaker B:He was just like, no, this is, you know, on purpose.
Speaker B:But one of McGee, you know, the producer, said that he's pretty sure that crippy, like, has basically working with the devil.
Speaker B:Because this was in Vancouver and this was real outside.
Speaker B:D. Like, and there was, like, during rainy season.
Speaker B:And everybody was laughing like, there's no way, like, you'll get, like, sunshine to, like, film this day.
Speaker B:And it happened to be, like, the one day in Vancouver deal with a gin.
Speaker B:He may have made a deal with the gin.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But it is really, if you look at this, compared to even just the end of this episode beginning, the difference in the colors of what's being shot, I think is very interesting.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:And he does crack open a beer here.
Speaker A:And I noted that it was an El Sol beer.
Speaker A:And I noted it not knowing that it was of note, but there we go.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've also had that beer.
Speaker A:And then Sam arrives with Jessica.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Jess is alive.
Speaker B:Holy shit.
Speaker A:So not only is Mary alive, Jess is alive, too.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So they have a big fancy dinner for Mom's birthday.
Speaker A:And Carmen is there, too.
Speaker A:Sam and Jessica get engaged.
Speaker B:Oh, everybody's a weird asparagus thing.
Speaker B:What was the asparagus thing?
Speaker A:It was some stupid asparagus tower.
Speaker A:He wouldn't have ordered that shit.
Speaker A:Yeah, better than that.
Speaker B:I mean, like, does somebody order that for him?
Speaker B:Nobody else had the asparagus thing.
Speaker B:And I've eaten at a lot of fancy dinners and I've never gotten an asparagus tower.
Speaker B:I mean, I would like it.
Speaker B:Asparagus.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I would eat an asparagus tower, too.
Speaker A:It looked delicious, but they were.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I would pick it up, like, as one piece and just like this.
Speaker B:Knot it like a tree.
Speaker B:Just like a corn in the cob.
Speaker A:You start from the stalk part, or do you go to the.
Speaker A:To the top end?
Speaker B:First you go to the top end, you.
Speaker B:The tender part.
Speaker B:So then you just work your way.
Speaker A:Down because the other end to get over with.
Speaker A:Then you get to finish with the tender part.
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:But I would just give up.
Speaker B:And, like, I want to eat the good part.
Speaker A:And then I cut it in half and start in the middle and eat the tender, the good part and the rest of the stocks.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:Important questions.
Speaker A:Important questions.
Speaker A:Guys.
Speaker A:Guys.
Speaker A:So while Sam, Jessica are all happy, everybody's celebrating.
Speaker A:And then Dean sees the creepy chick watching him again.
Speaker A:But then she disappears.
Speaker A:And so now his family thinks he's losing it.
Speaker A:So at first they thought he was drunk.
Speaker A:Now they just think he's losing his mind.
Speaker A:And so when Sam and Dean are alone, because Sam were really.
Speaker A:Dean really, really wants them to all go, like, let's go out.
Speaker A:Let's celebrate.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And this is when Sam kind of pulls him aside.
Speaker A:And this is where you learn kind of like a big bomb about this is, you know, everything.
Speaker A:Like, Dean's kind of just basking in, like, mom's alive.
Speaker A:Dad didn't die a terribly painful death.
Speaker A:At least caught a big fish.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, like, he played softball.
Speaker A:I don't know, whatever.
Speaker A:Like, everybody's doing their thing and he's got, you know, Sam's not in danger all the time, like, all this.
Speaker A:But he finds out that him and Sam have no relationship, basically.
Speaker A:And that he was a shitty fucking brother and he owes money.
Speaker A:Like, he's taken money from his family.
Speaker A:And basically him and Sam have no fucking relationship at all.
Speaker B:Sam's kind of the day.
Speaker B:So Dean was shitty.
Speaker A:Sam's a ship.
Speaker A:Sam's.
Speaker A:Sam's douchey about it.
Speaker A:And so basically the summary is, is that Dean's not a very good brother and kind of a douche, and Sam's an asshole, but they don't have a relationship,.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But really, this is like the flip side, right?
Speaker B:So it's kind of like, be careful what you wish for, right?
Speaker B:Because you're going.
Speaker B:And they, you know, when they were going through this, they talked about different versions of what that relationship was going to be like.
Speaker B:And this was kind of what they.
Speaker B:They figured out would actually be.
Speaker B:What if you don't have honey?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What do you have?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:So you see Dean at home with Carmen and she, you know, she's got a beer and she's kind of like.
Speaker A:He wants to make it up to Sam and try to figure out like, how to make their relationship happen again.
Speaker A:Because he misses his brotherhood with Sam and tries to explain that he's having like, this is.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker A:This whole thing is like a second chance.
Speaker A:But he can't really explain it anyway, so he just really wants to make the most of this.
Speaker A:And finds out that Carmen's a nurse.
Speaker A:Really proud of himself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He first when he.
Speaker B:She was like, I'm going to work at night shift.
Speaker B:And then he pretty much thought that she was a stripper.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And then he was like, oh, I'm dating a nurse and this is respectable.
Speaker B:And then it was also gross because it was just like, you're dating is sexy nurse.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:Also when he.
Speaker B:So he's.
Speaker B:Dean's there and he's watching tv and he gets an infomercial.
Speaker B:There are Thundercats.
Speaker B:And I was like, thundercats?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:And this is when he realizes that the airplane crash.
Speaker B:They stopped.
Speaker B:Didn't stop.
Speaker A:No, it happened.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So then he goes to the Internet and he starts looking up all these other cases that they had worked on.
Speaker A:All these people they had saved.
Speaker A:And none of it had happened.
Speaker A:All these people had died.
Speaker A:The cases had proceeded and gotten worse.
Speaker B:I think for, you know, a subconscious.
Speaker B:If you're thinking about this as.
Speaker B:This is something in your dreamscape.
Speaker B:This is really that debate that we've been seeing build up and Dean throughout the season.
Speaker B:And so it's just the reality of the hero's paradigm.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So you're knowing that you have sacrificed everything, but you did all this good.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And so I think this is like his brain basically putting that in there.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So now we see the chick, the random weird chick that keeps watching him in his apartment.
Speaker A:So he goes to looking for her and instead of finding her, he finds two corpses hanging in the closet instead.
Speaker B:Very mummified corpses too.
Speaker A:Like real dead, real dry corpses.
Speaker A:Like hanging by their wrists.
Speaker B:Not full of gender again.
Speaker B:Yeah, they didn't.
Speaker B:They did not have Jen inside of them.
Speaker B:They were.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then the girls pops up behind him again.
Speaker A:And then she flickers and they all disappear.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:And you can also tell when she pops up that she's getting worse.
Speaker A:Yeah, each time you see her, like, she looks kind of beat the first time you see her.
Speaker A:And then she's looking like deader and deader each time you see her.
Speaker A:Like, she's like, go.
Speaker A:She's fading.
Speaker A:So Dean decides to go talk to John's grave for a while while about.
Speaker A:About all this and basically knows that his.
Speaker A:So he's talking to his dad's grave to get himself to.
Speaker A:What he needs to accept is that he needs to go find the gin to put things back to how they were.
Speaker A:And that he knows that he basically has to trade this happiness that he has here for all these lives and ask, why is it his job?
Speaker A:Why is this my job?
Speaker A:Why do we have to make the sacrifice?
Speaker A:And so it's kind of.
Speaker A:It's pretty sad, poignant moment, but it's a.
Speaker A:Also, this little perfect world isn't as perfect as he thinks too.
Speaker A:Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:There's a lot.
Speaker A:Like, obviously he deeply values his relationship with his brother and he didn't have that here.
Speaker B:And also, instead of a single man tier, we got four bandiers.
Speaker B:So, you know, he's not bawling.
Speaker B:We got four tears that come out.
Speaker B:And also that it was said because he did such a great job doing this monologue that there were grown men on the set currently crying.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker A:It was really sad.
Speaker B:It was really well done.
Speaker B:I think it was probably one of the best monologues that I've been almost, you know, at least on the season, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:So back at mom's house, it's like middle of the night and Sam hears a noise.
Speaker A:He's in bed with Jessica, staying at the mom's house, and runs downstairs with a bat and swings on Dean.
Speaker A:But Dean was basically digging in the china, a cabinet and.
Speaker B:Sorry, this was a.
Speaker B:Basically a shot for shot replica of the first scene where Dean comes to Jared.
Speaker B:Dean comes to Sam when he was still living with Jessica, when he comes to tell you to get him on the road with him to go look for John.
Speaker B:So this was almost exactly the same, except that Sam can't fight.
Speaker B:And that's why Dean like whips his ass within like a second.
Speaker B:So everything like the bat, all that shit, it's exactly the same.
Speaker B:Then Sam can't fight.
Speaker B:So I think, wow.
Speaker B:And if you think about that from just a memory, like you're going against that subconscious thing is like, this is what his memory is pulling in his memory remembers that fight.
Speaker B:But in this reality Sam can't fight.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Well, basically they.
Speaker A:Sam thinks that Dean's robbing the liquor or the china cabinet to get sell shit.
Speaker A:And so.
Speaker A:And Dean doesn't deny it.
Speaker A:He's like, yeah, I will book you money.
Speaker A:And like obviously like we don't really know exactly what he's taking at this point but we know he's not probably robbing it for money at this point, knowing the storyline and the characters but.
Speaker A:And that he's got to take this for his bookie lives may depend on it and give love to mom and.
Speaker A:But then he takes one knife and they leave.
Speaker A:So you know that like he's not robbing it for money.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's also, I think at this point you can tell that he's made his choice.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker A:He's going to go.
Speaker A:He's going to find the gym.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's just like, hey.
Speaker A:He's like, tell me good to that.
Speaker B:And it's just like, okay, we're done.
Speaker B:I know what I have to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But surprisingly actually Sam follows him and gets in the car and says he's not going alone and then calls Sam a bitch.
Speaker A:And Sam asks why I was like, oh, that's Sam.
Speaker A:So I drive off.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm drinking actually.
Speaker B:Like I've got a blur.
Speaker B:I've got a blurred camera on.
Speaker B:I am drinking my bitch.
Speaker B:My bitch mug or glass.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:So while they're driving, Sam find notices that there's like this paper bag in the seat and there's this whole back and forth about you don't know how to know what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah, I do want to know what is.
Speaker A:Anyways, and it's a Tupperware full full of lamb's blood.
Speaker B:It's like you need a silver knife tipped in lamb's blood.
Speaker A:But that does go back and explain in the first fucking scene with Jen why Dean was walking around with a bloody knife when he hadn't stabbed anyone that we knew of at that point.
Speaker B:He hadn't.
Speaker A:It was a knife dipped in lamb's blood.
Speaker B:Makes so much more sense.
Speaker B:Like, okay.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm like, that'd be a really bad continuity error.
Speaker A:But whatever.
Speaker A:Anyways, so anyway, so it's just weird.
Speaker A:And basically Sam's decided that Dean's having a psychotic break.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, no, there's real evil out there.
Speaker A:People need to be saved.
Speaker A:I'm going after this gin.
Speaker A:And that's all There is to it.
Speaker B:So he has, like, a really powerful line where he is like, if we don't save them, nobody will.
Speaker B:And I thought that was a really great line they put in there.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker A:And then he throws Sam's phone out the window because he's not going to end up in a rubber room.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And he cranks the radio and we.
Speaker A:Get some Skynyrd, because Saturday Night Special.
Speaker B:Did you say, fuck yeah, Skinner?
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I did see a guy with a mullet today, which apparently are making a combo.
Speaker A:They're super fashionable right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So maybe Sky Nerd will also make a combo.
Speaker B:It's so hot.
Speaker B:Mullets are so good.
Speaker A:They're still not cool.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:I mean, like, I get, like, the one for funsies, but no but for funsies.
Speaker B:And if you have it.
Speaker B:But like, if you have one, you have to have a bitching Camaro.
Speaker B:If you don't have a bitching Camaro, you can't have a mullet.
Speaker B:That's just the law.
Speaker A:The rules.
Speaker B:There's the rules.
Speaker A:So they get back to the industrial park.
Speaker A:Sam's asleep where Dean originally had the interaction with the gin.
Speaker A:And it's there somewhere in Illinois, basically, which is funny because it ties back to your Juliet stuff.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So they go inside, and Sam's just keeps saying, over.
Speaker A:And it looks.
Speaker A:See, there's nothing here.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:This is ridiculous.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:I just got the whole Juliet, Illinois thing.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker A:That was a good catch.
Speaker A:That was a good catch.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:But then they start hearing noises, and it's like.
Speaker A:And then Sam's like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:So they wander around a little bit, and they find the corpses that we had seen hanging in Dean's closet are hanging inside, like, this open area in this industrial building as well.
Speaker A:And they've got, like, these IV bags from them, which is real fucking.
Speaker A:That gets real creepy.
Speaker A:And you get the girl that was haunting him, and she's got an IV bag from her, too, but she ain't fucking dead yet.
Speaker A:So they hear the djinn coming, so they both hide.
Speaker A:And I guess, like, basically the concept is the gin.
Speaker A:The djinn is feeding on these people through their life force, like, draining them kind of their blood.
Speaker A:But, like, that's like a weird Djinn vampire thing.
Speaker A:But either way, he's draining them.
Speaker B:It is very vampire thing.
Speaker B:He also likes to smell her a lot, which was gross.
Speaker B:And so as he's, like, drinking from the iv, Sam makes a really weird, like, ached out Noise, which I don't blame him because I'd be like, ew.
Speaker B:Like I would have made the noises as soon as he sniffed her.
Speaker B:Also at this point I noticed that the Jen is a very comfy sweater.
Speaker B:Like it's very like large, like Irish cable knit.
Speaker B:And I was like, huh,.
Speaker A:He's chilling, he's cozy.
Speaker B:That building could get cool.
Speaker B:Little drafty.
Speaker A:So she.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:So the gin's looking for.
Speaker A:It was after Sam makes this noise, of course.
Speaker A:Now Jen is looking for Sam and Dean, but.
Speaker A:But they kind of goes off on a mission right away from them.
Speaker A:And so they've pieced together that she didn't.
Speaker A:When she was kind of like murmuring and talking to the gin.
Speaker A:That's when Dean kind of realizes like she didn't know where she was.
Speaker A:She thought she was with her father.
Speaker A:And that's when I go, oh shit.
Speaker A:And that's when Dean starts to realize this is what's happening to him.
Speaker A:He's being drained.
Speaker A:He's being hung up there too.
Speaker A:That's why he's seeing all this.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Yep, he's getting some supernatural acid.
Speaker B:Which one?
Speaker B:I was really glad that they called it supernatural acid 2.
Speaker B:Then I started picturing like what the pains of supernatural acid would look like.
Speaker B:Like, would it just have like the Devil's trap on it?
Speaker B:Would they have their demon amulet protection on it?
Speaker B:Like, and so I mean, is there somebody who's actually made this acid and passed it around?
Speaker A:That's the question that questions.
Speaker B:And then my other question is, would I take this asset?
Speaker A:I probably wouldn't, but you just want to know if it exists.
Speaker A:Anyways, so he realizes this is happening to him and he starts to catch a little bit of flashes of reality and all that.
Speaker A:And so anyways, it's just very upsetting.
Speaker A:So he pulls the knife out and he's like, look, there's an old wives tale that if you die in a dream, you wake up.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So Dean's like, fuck it, I'm going to stab myself.
Speaker A:At first I'm like, oh, he's going to kill Sam.
Speaker A:Like, oh no, he's going to fucking kill himself.
Speaker A:And so Sam goes real hard and trying to talk him out of this, talking about.
Speaker A:And then you get moms showing up and Jessica shows up and Carmen shows up.
Speaker A:And they're all trying to convince him, which is also super unfucking believable, that all these people found them in Illinois at this point in time.
Speaker A:So, you know, bullshit.
Speaker A:But they're not even trying to Convince him.
Speaker A:They're not even trying to convince him it's real.
Speaker A:At this point though, they give up.
Speaker A:They're just like, not lean into it.
Speaker A:It'll seem like a lot lifetime.
Speaker A:It's cool though.
Speaker A:It won't be.
Speaker B:Well, I think if you look at what each of them are offering, it shows, you know, really what.
Speaker B:What kind of Dean desires.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So Sam is, you know, offering.
Speaker B:You know, I'm here.
Speaker B:You don't have to worry about me.
Speaker B:When Sam's like you, Sam.
Speaker B:So Mary is like, this is a dream.
Speaker B:You can get.
Speaker B:It is a dream, but you can get love, comfort and safety.
Speaker B:Jessica says, you don't have to worry about Sam.
Speaker B:Carmen says he can have love and family.
Speaker B:And then Sam gives him.
Speaker B:It doesn't have to be job to save everybody.
Speaker B:So we get to see all these things that Dean really desires.
Speaker A:Yes, for sure.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:And so they're offering all of that.
Speaker A:And Sam's just like, why'd you have to keep digging?
Speaker A:You were happy.
Speaker A:But he knows it's all not real.
Speaker A:I mean, like that.
Speaker A:Anyways, so it begs the question, is like, is a, you know, A false.
Speaker A:A false happy reality, false world that's happy?
Speaker A:Is that better than a real world?
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Am I happy?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:Do you want to take the red pill?
Speaker A:I know it's the Matrix shit anyways.
Speaker A:But, yeah, so he knows.
Speaker A:Mom said.
Speaker A:Mom's.
Speaker A:One of Mom.
Speaker A:Mary's comments was, it's better than anything you had.
Speaker A:And Dean says, what?
Speaker A:And so I think that that's when kind of his little, like, snapped around a little bit.
Speaker A:Because there were parts of it that were perfect, but I don't think it, you know, anyways, it kind of.
Speaker A:So Dean stabs himself, which was pretty shocking.
Speaker A:And then you cut to the actual world where Sam is there trying to wake up Dean, and Sam saying, I thought I lost you for a minute.
Speaker A:And Dean says, you almost did.
Speaker A:So that tells you that he really, really, really considered not leaving.
Speaker A:He really considered staying.
Speaker A:So as they're untying Dean, of course Jen shows up and attacks Sam.
Speaker A:But Dean's able to get down and stab it.
Speaker A:So we got a dead.
Speaker A:And they realize the girl's still alive, so they cut her down and save her too.
Speaker B:And Dean says, I got you.
Speaker B:Which I thought was pretty.
Speaker B:Also pretty powerful.
Speaker B:There's some really good lines in this.
Speaker B:In this episode.
Speaker B:It's really good.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So we cut back to their motel and what's interesting is, like, so every other, like, person And Dean's little, you know, fantasy world, for lack of a better dream world, whatever you want to call it, was part of his life.
Speaker A:Except for Carmen.
Speaker A:Like we had.
Speaker A:We had never met Carmen before until we figure out who she is right now.
Speaker A:She is the El Solbier beach girl.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Carmen.
Speaker B:That's where she came from.
Speaker A:That's Carmen.
Speaker B:And her name wasn't there.
Speaker B:I intrigued that he chose Carmen as her name.
Speaker B:But it's a good name.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a good name.
Speaker A:So anyways, yeah.
Speaker A:So Sam verifies.
Speaker A:Somehow he gets the hospital to tell him the medical status of the young lady they saved.
Speaker A:And it ends up she's going to be.
Speaker A:She's going to recover, she's stabilized.
Speaker A:And anyways, so Dean.
Speaker A:Dean, basically like Dean and Sam are kind of like feeling out how each other were.
Speaker A:And Dean's like, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of okay.
Speaker A:And that he should have.
Speaker A:He should have seen it because Sam was a wuss.
Speaker A:But Sam's comment was, I thought it was supposed to be perfect.
Speaker A:And Dean says it wasn't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so I think, you know, Dean is trying to explain that it wasn't a fantasy, that it was a wish.
Speaker B:And then a wish is different than what a fantasy is.
Speaker B:But Sam's also very proud.
Speaker B:He's like, I'm very proud of you that you're able to get out of it.
Speaker B:And with that, you know, then we start getting into some extra of hardcore shit because Dean starts talking about, look, we have lost so much.
Speaker B:And you can really.
Speaker B:This is almost the culmination because we're in episode 20, obviously.
Speaker B:So we're at the culmination of this season two and really starting to see Dean struggle and early his struggles being voiced louder than it has been before.
Speaker B:And Sam is, you know, at this point, he's being cheery and not being bitchy.
Speaker B:Sam, which is always interesting when we.
Speaker B:We get, you know, Sam is actually being somewhat optimistic.
Speaker B:And he is like, it's worth it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Because we've saved all these people.
Speaker B:And just the look on Dean's face is so good because it's like, you can tell he still doesn't believe it even though he went through all of this.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He's still not sure that it's all worth it.
Speaker A:Yeah, That's a lot.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is this is.
Speaker B:There's so much in this episode.
Speaker A:Episode, yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker A:Once I realized that, it was like, I kind of like, you're kind of like, oh, I wonder what's Going on.
Speaker A:I'm like, ultimately reality or something like that.
Speaker A:And then when you realize it's him hanging there too, it was like, that's pretty.
Speaker B:That's cool.
Speaker B:I'm glad.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:Are you judging me for not figuring it out sooner?
Speaker A:No, I'm just saying you wouldn't have known, like, they hadn't released that there was, like, people being hung and drained by the gin yet, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker B:It's been so long since I first watched this episode.
Speaker B:I don't know because I've.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, the last few times that I've seen it, I've come in with that.
Speaker B:That knowledge.
Speaker A:Knowing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:My inhibitance of everything that I know.
Speaker B:But, yeah, I mean.
Speaker B:So overall, though, I mean, what did you think?
Speaker A:It was a good episode.
Speaker A:It had some really good poignant moments, but also a little bit of humor mixed in a little bit.
Speaker A:Not a ton, though.
Speaker A:I thought it was really, like.
Speaker A:It was very, like, I guess an introspective episode for Dean in a way.
Speaker A:And it was mostly fun, but, like, the big twist.
Speaker A:Like, this is the second one with a big twist where I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker A:And like.
Speaker A:Not that others don't, but like, the one.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:Forget the episode name.
Speaker A:I was just a couple episodes ago with our good old.
Speaker A:Our good friend.
Speaker B:The trickster.
Speaker A:No, the.
Speaker A:With the chick who ends up being a ghost the whole God damn time.
Speaker B:Oh, the Sixth Sense episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, you know, that was another one where you're like.
Speaker A:Because, like when you start.
Speaker A:Because especially in, like, this one and in that one, it wasn't where it was like, oh, it's a bad guy.
Speaker B:And something crazy happened.
Speaker A:You feel like attachments to these characters and there's a twist with those characters that you're attached to.
Speaker A:I think that makes a difference.
Speaker B:It's just getting good, isn't is?
Speaker A:So Daniel's like, I'm gonna watch something.
Speaker A:I can't watch the next episode yet.
Speaker A:I gotta wait.
Speaker B:Damn it.
Speaker B:Now, speaking of next episodes.
Speaker A:Next episodes.
Speaker A:So we're coming up on the end of the season, folks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So what we're gonna do, because one Diana is gonna get her wish.
Speaker B:Diana just made a wish.
Speaker B:I'm gonna grant it.
Speaker B:Maybe I'm a Jen.
Speaker A:You're my own personal gin.
Speaker B:I'm your personal gin.
Speaker B:I may be inside a corpse.
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:For those of you who are doing a Diana and watching the show from the beginning, just to Let you know, 21 and 22 are A to be continued episode.
Speaker B:So what we decided to do is to put both of them together into one podcast episode.
Speaker B:So we're going to podcast.
Speaker B:Mega podcast.
Speaker B:I just watched a bunch of.
Speaker B:Making it.
Speaker B:I know you did.
Speaker B:It's the mega podcast episode.
Speaker B:So we will take next week off.
Speaker B:Part of that is selfish because I'm going to be hungover as shit.
Speaker A:I'm going to be busy with work.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So we'll be back.
Speaker A:You know, this podcast is coming out at the end of September or September 23rd, and then we'll be back with our Double episode on October 7th.
Speaker A:Mark your calendar.
Speaker A:Make sure you watch both the episodes.
Speaker A:Smash the like button.
Speaker B:Button.
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Speaker B:Will it be one?
Speaker B:One thing of lore.
Speaker B:Will there be two?
Speaker B:We don't know.
Speaker A:Crazy surprises.
Speaker A:So many surprises.
Speaker B:Let's tune in and then when we're there, we're going to reveal some stuff about what's happening in season three with some chances for you to find us in person.
Speaker A:Heads up to all our stalkers.
Speaker B:Yeah, you know, and you're a good stalker.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Bad stalkers, but.
Speaker B:So anyways, that's what's going on.
Speaker B:And all of you who have hugging for these past.
Speaker B:We're almost.
Speaker B:I can't believe how many this.
Speaker B:So that's going to be our 40s.
Speaker B:We've done so many episodes.
Speaker B:It's crazy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So looking forward to you ending out season two.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Diana, I can't wait for you to see these episodes.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, that makes me so nervous when you say that.
Speaker A:I always get nervous when you get really excited.
Speaker B:Your mind is gonna be fucking blown if you're.
Speaker B:If you haven't seen this series.
Speaker B:Your mind is gonna be blown if you have.
Speaker B:You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker B:So you wanna hear.
Speaker B:Tune in to hear us talk about this.
Speaker B:So much goodness is coming.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So on that note, I think we can close out tonight's episode.
Speaker A:All right, I agree.
Speaker B:All right, well, cheers.
Speaker B:Do you know what you're supposed to say?
Speaker B:Why do you say that?
Speaker B:Why did you just call me a bitch?
Speaker A:Sorry, I didn't have it exactly right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:We'll see you guys next week.
Speaker A:Or no, two weeks.
Speaker B:Two weeks.
Speaker B:Bye.
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